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Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in

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Speaker 1: partnership with Higheartradiots.

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Speaker 2: Katie, my son today got his cast off.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, how does he feel? Is he happy?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 2: Now he has to be an embrace. Well, we have

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Speaker 2: a cast off party this afternoon. He's requested two friends

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Speaker 2: to be a Pokemon trading company.

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Speaker 5: Were you ever into Pokemon?

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Speaker 3: Hell? No, yes, I still don't understand it. I still

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Speaker 3: didn't even understand what Pokemon is. Who is Pikachu? Is

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Speaker 3: he a cat? Is the mouse? What is it?

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Speaker 5: It's a bunny. I think it's a bunny. I have

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Speaker 5: no idea. I literally have no clothes going on.

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Speaker 2: But my son is so into it, and for the

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Speaker 2: first time, okay, he's only the cards he gets are

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Speaker 2: shit ass knockoffs that are like five cents because I'm

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Speaker 2: not spending money on this ship. And some of these

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Speaker 2: cards are like five hundred dollars. It's like collecting baseball card,

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Speaker 2: like limited edition. You know, Pokemon's being around for thirty

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Speaker 2: years or something. So when he got his cast off,

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Speaker 2: I got him his first like real it was like

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Speaker 2: sixteen dollars card. And his big fear is that he's

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Speaker 2: gonna like still be into this in like ten years

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Speaker 2: and try to trade these knockoff piece of shit card.

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Speaker 3: They're going to be like, kid, this.

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Speaker 5: Is a fake. Like this is a fake. You're a fake,

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Speaker 5: You're a phony. Your parents are ponies.

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Speaker 4: Yo.

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Speaker 3: The only time I loved Pikachu is when when Pikachu

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Speaker 3: was a fucking happy meal box? Do you remember that?

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Speaker 3: Just a few months ago? And all I listen, I

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Speaker 3: don't love anything more than I love a good happy meal.

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Speaker 3: It makes the food taste better. Well, you could either

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Speaker 3: have a hamburger or cheeseburger, and then it comes with

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Speaker 3: small fries, apple slices, or yogurt, and that's pretty much.

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Speaker 3: I always get the hamburger with the fries. But Yo,

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Speaker 3: for a stint, for a little for a period there,

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Speaker 3: the happy Meal boxes weren't actual Pikachu and you could

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Speaker 3: only time I was interested in.

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Speaker 5: Pikachu, the only time we were into it.

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Speaker 2: It is so annoying, but he loves it so much,

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Speaker 2: and he was very brave and actually surprisingly have you

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Speaker 2: ever had a broken bone?

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Speaker 3: Uh in my foot? Yeah? I have?

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Speaker 5: Uh huh oh you did you have to have a cast.

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Speaker 3: Uh no, you know, you know what in my hand too. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I had to have a I had to have a cast.

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Speaker 5: So I remember when I was a kid, I broke

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Speaker 2: I remember them taking the cast off and it hurt

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Speaker 2: so so so badly, and it was so scary, and

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Speaker 2: I feel like the thing like touched my skin and

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Speaker 2: it was like a saw. Now, it's things have come

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Speaker 2: so far from when we were kids. Have this like

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Speaker 2: saw machine that takes off cast now and kids for

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Speaker 2: in literally under one minute, it tickles their skin as

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Speaker 2: and Albi was hysterical laughing.

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Speaker 3: Are you serious?

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Speaker 2: Yes, he's so ticklish. And he was a start laughing

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Speaker 2: and had the best time of his life. Like he

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Speaker 5: I thought he was gonna be like Jesus Christ, this

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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, back in the day, we're like, please don't cut

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Speaker 3: my arm off when you're taking the cast off my.

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Speaker 2: Skin, Like I'm terrified. It's not like that at all.

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Speaker 2: It's come very far. And so I've had a very

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Speaker 5: I liked Friman. Do you ever hiking?

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Speaker 3: I have Yeah, I like hiking. Fryman Friman is a

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Speaker 3: trail up here in a North Hollywood, right, what do

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's in Studio City and it's a trailhead

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Speaker 2: and it's like a three mile hike. It's like a

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Speaker 2: and I love it because I zen out. But today

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Speaker 5: Oh, it was awful.

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Speaker 3: You gotta let them go ahead. You should have off

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Speaker 5: I couldn't get behind. I couldn't figure out where I fit.

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Speaker 2: And the whole fucking hike I'm hearing like such annoying shit,

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Speaker 2: Like God damn it, teenage girls are the fucking worst.

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Speaker 5: Like it was so annoying.

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Speaker 3: Wait, you didn't have music or anything.

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Speaker 5: You'd have music music in my ear and it made

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Speaker 2: It was like like it was just suck and so disturbing.

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Speaker 2: And if I went too far, because they were all

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Speaker 2: my girls all.

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Speaker 5: Split up up around you, all around me.

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Speaker 2: I was surrounded and I only had a certain amount

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Speaker 2: And really, just like.

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Speaker 3: You didn't have time, I still want caught up.

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Speaker 5: I'm a fast fucking hiker.

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Speaker 3: You are. We gotta go hiking one day together. I

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Speaker 5: I would love it. I do too.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's like the only the only form of

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Speaker 3: I do too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like I just enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: I like look around. I like you're listening to Madonna.

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Speaker 2: I listened to podcasts.

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Speaker 3: I'm listening to Madonna on my iPod. Would they don't

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Speaker 3: even make them anymore? Right?

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Speaker 2: I have to tell you you are the only person

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Speaker 2: on planet Earth that I know that still uses an iPod.

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Speaker 3: I love my iPod?

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Speaker 5: Is she here?

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Speaker 3: Oh shit?

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Speaker 5: We're already in it.

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Speaker 2: We're already laughing because the greatest guest is here, the

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Speaker 2: one and only Liza While Hi, Eliza, Hi, right, Yes,

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Speaker 2: you did it, You crush it.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to the Scandal Rewatch Podcast.

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Speaker 4: It's so nice to be here, you guys. I'm so

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Speaker 4: excited to dig in this with you.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 5: See, you're unpacking the toolbox. We're talking about episode one

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Speaker 5: oh four.

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Speaker 2: Called Enemy of the State, which originally aired on April

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Speaker 2: twenty sixth of twenty twelve, and.

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Speaker 3: It was written by Richard E. Robbins who I don't

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Speaker 3: remember this writer, Katie. And it was directed by Michael Cattleman.

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Speaker 5: And I don't remember that director.

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Speaker 2: Gear Mack guest starring Liza Wild, Amanda Tanner, Brendan Hines

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Speaker 2: is Gideon Wallace Bellamy Young his first lady, Mellie Grant,

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Speaker 2: Dan Bugatinski as James Novak, Joshua Molina as.

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Speaker 3: David Rosen, Matt Lesher as Billy Chambers, Jose Zuniga as Hanadadi,

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Speaker 3: Benicio Flores, Valerie Cruz is Gottolina Flores, leland Or Sir

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Speaker 3: as Sanders, and Kate McGregor Stewart as Mary.

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Speaker 2: And just to take you, guys, Scandal pace through the

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Speaker 2: synopsis like we do. When a dictator shows up at

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Speaker 2: the OPA office pleading for help to find his missing

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Speaker 2: wife and children, Olivia faces a moral dilemma on taking

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Speaker 2: the case.

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Speaker 3: Then, when the truth comes out about the dictator's missing family,

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Speaker 3: the entire team faces an even more difficult situation.

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Speaker 5: Olivia and Cyrus navigate the Amanda Tanner.

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Speaker 2: Case, and who better to have on the Scandal Rewatch

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Speaker 2: podcast than the one and only Amanda fucking Tanner.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yo, Liza, how did this part?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: Did you guest star on all the other great like

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Speaker 2: all the other Shondaland shows? I mean, obviously you and

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Speaker 2: Paul were husband wife. You knew Shonda that way? How

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Speaker 2: did you get Amanda Tanmaer?

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I mean we're gonna get We're just gonna

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Speaker 4: get right into it.

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Speaker 3: Right into it.

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Speaker 4: I had done an episode of Private Practice, and I

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Speaker 4: think I did an episode of Gray's Anatomy. I went

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Speaker 4: in for Scandal and read for Quinn and Abby. What

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Speaker 4: I didn't know that shit? Yeah, But the weird thing

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Speaker 4: was is that I read for Quinn and then they

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Speaker 4: found you, which is like Chef's Kiss. They had me

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Speaker 4: come in right into a test for Abby and I

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Speaker 4: like had a complete psychotic break in the audition room.

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Speaker 4: It really stands as one of the worst auditions experiences

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Speaker 4: of my life. I was so freaked out. I was like,

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Speaker 4: just come to your office and like read this through

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Speaker 4: to you, Like I don't know what I'm doing. And

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Speaker 4: I left my body in the audition room and like

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Speaker 4: when you're like narrating everything that's going through your head

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Speaker 4: humiliating and embarrassing. They were so lovely, however, I think

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Speaker 2: A lot of actors, I know, like literally take beta blockers,

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Speaker 3: This is our lives as actors, Like that shit happens

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Speaker 4: Fucking tongue rock.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, like that's happened to me before

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Speaker 3: And then some days you feel amazing, like a fucking

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that scene they used that They use that

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Speaker 3: She didn't give me shit. She barely remembered her lines

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Benicio Flores.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember where he's from, but like he comes

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Speaker 5: For your end game.

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Speaker 2: Olivia Pope is saying to you like okay, great, like

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Speaker 3: Five minutes with the president. Yeah, that scene is so good.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes it is, Yes, it is to.

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Speaker 4: We we I did, no, I one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: when we were shooting it, so it was hard to

443
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 3: be really be like, oh, this is a great show

444
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 3: because I would remember stupid shit I didn't like that

445
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 3: I did or whatever. But now having that time, I'm like,

446
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 3: it's such a great show.

447
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 4: It's such a great show. I mean I started, I

448
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 4: like burned through like six episodes, like I couldn't stop

449
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 4: watching it. Yeah, Like I had the intention of just

450
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 4: watching until episode four and then now I'm like fully

451
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 4: in it again. It's and it's just it's such a

452
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:42,719
Speaker 4: it's such a delight.

453
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

454
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 2: How did you prepare for scenes like like the burn

455
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 2: for this Were you working with anybody at the time,

456
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 2: or were you just like I like, how what was

457
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 2: your like prep?

458
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was not working with anybody at the time.

459
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 4: I mean I think I was just doing problem blease,

460
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 4: some like not great unhealthy prep of just like just

461
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 4: self hatred. And but again, I think so much of

462
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 4: of my fuel was just a real, like authentic fear

463
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 4: of not doing well like this. And it was such

464
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 4: an exciting set to be on. I mean, you guys

465
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 4: were just so it was just so lively and like

466
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 4: there was such a potent, palpable feeling of like joy

467
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 4: and commitment and enthusiasm that was so special to be around.

468
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 4: It was just it felt very just charged with all

469
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 4: the things that you really want to be around as

470
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 4: an actor. So I just remember how exciting it felt.

471
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 4: I was lucky in this episode that Michael Cattleman, who

472
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 4: directed this episode, tell us who that is? Okay, Well

473
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 4: he's he's been around forever, but he was a very

474
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 4: beloved supervising director on Gilmore Girls for a couple of

475
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 4: seasons and we loved him, like he was.

476
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 5: What a gift for you.

477
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 4: That show was hard, like it was you know, as

478
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 4: you were saying, very dialogue, uh heavy, and we were

479
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 4: shooting crazy, crazy hours on that show. But Michael came

480
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 4: in and just he was like the whisperer you know

481
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 4: to everybody, just very soothing, calming and like just made

482
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 4: it feel good there.

483
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 2: So I'm so glad that he was your person during

484
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 2: this episode because you just have a lot of heavy

485
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 2: lifting in this episode, like, well and you get fucking kid,

486
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: we gotta get there, We gotta get there.

487
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I remember Katie, like I loved Urlave

488
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 4: Amanda and Quinn stuff so much because it just felt

489
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 4: like when I got to be in a scene with

490
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 4: you that I was just being bathed in like warmth

491
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 4: and kindness because Carrie as Olivia really was pretty harsh

492
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 4: with Amanda and she would just look at me like

493
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 4: a fucking piece of shit, like and like so much judgment.

494
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, well she thinks you're pregnant with her fucking love

495
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 2: boyfriend with her boyfriend.

496
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 4: What am I saying? It's so so complicated for her. Yeah,

497
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 4: I mean it is a really intense thing for her

498
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 4: to take on it as webby as fuck, you know.

499
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Quinn, Quinn and Amanda were just like I'm

500
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: just like I just want you to be okay.

501
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't.

502
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 2: Come be a client I come be a client and

503
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 2: like I'm trying to do a good job, and I felt,

504
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: I feel like Quinn feels so bad for her, Like

505
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: I just.

506
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 3: Think she relates to her in a way too, right, Yeah.

507
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 4: There's empathy there, Yeah for sure.

508
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: I mean, also, let's take it back too, like this

509
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: is the cook Man. This storyline aman A Tanner sleeping

510
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 2: with the president. I mean that is literally ripped from

511
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: Judy Smith o. Olivia Pope is based on representing Monica Lewinsky.

512
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, right.

513
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: That's a lot of pressure. I mean, your your case

514
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: and your person is very loosely inspired by probably the

515
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: most famous political presidential scandal in the history of time

516
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 2: other than Nixon, And like yeah.

517
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there was also a thing where, you know,

518
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 4: the writers were sort of like, we don't really know

519
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 4: if she did sleep with him, you know, yeah, like

520
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 4: having to be like, Okay, well I think I just

521
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 4: have to play that I did, but I think it also,

522
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 4: I mean to get kind of raw about it. It

523
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 4: was bringing up like a lot of interesting things for

524
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 4: me because I was like, I did just have a baby.

525
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 4: It was like really a little sense of about being

526
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 4: kind of on TV and being looked at and also

527
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 4: been adding that element of like, is anybody going to

528
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 4: believe that he slept with me? Like, yes, I don't know.

529
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 5: Man, you you're gorgeous.

530
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 3: We're are worst enemies ourselves.

531
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 4: You are.

532
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are gorgeous every day of your life, like

533
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 2: in any any version of you, brunette, blonde, short hair,

534
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: long hair, post baby.

535
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 4: That's not why I'm bringing it up. I didn't mean

536
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 4: it to be a we got it.

537
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: We're gonna be the ones to tell you and then

538
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 2: we And also you're doing some mad sketchy shit. It's

539
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: not on in this episode, but in previous episodes you're

540
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 2: like on the phone and you're like, I have to

541
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: tell her.

542
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 5: I can't like lie anymore.

543
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 4: I had no idea who I was calling.

544
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: By the way, who you're talking You don't know you're

545
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 2: talking to Billy Chambers. You don't know you're actually pregnant

546
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 2: with Billy Chambers.

547
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 4: Baby. No, I have none of that information. But it

548
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 4: was such a great light and going back, I have

549
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 4: to say like I was like, oh, I wish I

550
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 4: made a little bit more of a choice there, because

551
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 4: it was a pretty.

552
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 5: General we all felt like that. I keep going back

553
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 5: and I'm like, god, why was I playing that? And

554
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 5: then I'm like, oh, because I didn't know.

555
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 3: You didn't know, but it worked.

556
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, you just have to embrace like the general like

557
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 4: I'll just do something general.

558
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

559
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: I remember distinctly one day on set, not in this episode,

560
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 2: on an earlier episode, I want to say, maybe even

561
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: the pilot.

562
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

563
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 5: I think it was the pilot.

564
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 2: The scenes where you are in bed after you've slit

565
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 2: your wrist.

566
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 3: Oh.

567
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you brought Josephine to set. Oh, and she

568
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 5: met Shanda.

569
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,239
Speaker 2: Oh, and it was so stretched like I was like

570
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: as a young like as a person who wanted to

571
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: be a mom. I just remember like looking at you

572
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: and being like, oh my god, Like she's married to

573
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: an actor and she is bringing her child to set

574
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: and she's working, and you're doing it amazing job. Like

575
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: I just remember being like, holy shit, like I hadn't

576
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: I hadn't seen that before because I only guest starred

577
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: on procedurals where men were the leads. I really hadn't

578
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: seen any people bring babies on set. It was the

579
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: first time. I mean Shonda like was very like she's

580
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: obsessed with babies obviously. I mean, people don't know this

581
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: Seawn is obsessed with babies from Gray's in Private and

582
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: all that, and she just was so like welcoming and

583
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: happy that you brought her to set. And I just

584
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 2: remember being like, oh my god, like, yeah.

585
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 4: She was lovely about that.

586
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: Okay, A few other firsts and orders of business that

587
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: I need to touch upon is this is the first

588
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: time we see Olivia drink the biggest fucking glass of

589
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: red wine in the history of fucking television, which became

590
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: a staple.

591
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it really does make you want to have wine

592
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 4: immediately the way she drinks it.

593
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: You're just like, ah, so she does this huge wine thing,

594
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: which became such a staple, like such a joke. Like

595
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: I remember seeing so much any sketches I think even

596
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: on SNL or some shit that just had like some

597
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: Olivia Pope thing with the glass like the size of

598
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: a room. We meet James played by Dan Bugatinsky, and

599
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: we learn that Cyrus is gay. Yes, fucking episode, Oh

600
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: my god, that is huge. I mean Jeff Perry will

601
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: have when we have him on, like he didn't know Cyrus.

602
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 4: Was gay, remember talking damn about it.

603
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, he had no clue.

604
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: And I mean we have to have Dan Bukatinski on

605
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: who plays James Novakuum's performances absolutely legendary, and it starts

606
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: in this episode. We also this Sanders Black played by

607
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: Leland Orser.

608
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 5: Yes, it's hired by the White House.

609
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 2: And we learn for the first time some of the

610
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: like stray dogs in o PA their backstory. For example,

611
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: that Hawk's a killer. We learned that Abby was beaten,

612
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: which we didn't know before we've really We learned that

613
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: Quinn Perkins didn't exist until two thousand.

614
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: And eight, motherfucker. Yes.

615
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: And we learned that Harrison Wright was like a car

616
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: salesman kind of you know, slimy dude turned lawyer, right.

617
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we caught up in some money, like.

618
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, some money laundering type bad shit.

619
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: And that Steven Stephen was an attorney as well who

620
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 3: had a breakdown. Yeah, yeah, doing a case and Olivia

621
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: brought him sort of took him under her wing.

622
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, alright, he had the breakdown.

623
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I have my next note is Jeff

624
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,479
Speaker 2: gives the best monologue ever.

625
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 4: Whoa. He says, you know, you've got a man of

626
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 4: Tanner's pregnant, and the President is like, well, what happens now?

627
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 4: And he takes him through the trajectory of like what

628
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 4: is his downfall and ultimately, like you know, his demise

629
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 4: and like how he's just his life is just completely

630
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 4: ruined and.

631
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: He's gonna shoot himself with that gun that his dad

632
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 3: gave him, blow the back of his skull out. Yeah.

633
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: Uh good God.

634
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 4: Nobody can do what Jeff Perry does. It is like,

635
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 4: I watch him with such wonder There should be an

636
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 4: entire podcast just devoted to how he like, how he

637
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 4: brings stuff off the page. It is just astounding.

638
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 3: What And yeah, he has this little giggle at the

639
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 3: end as he's walking out the door. Do you remember that, Liza.

640
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 4: Yes, And he's like, no, but write your speech like

641
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 4: that matters, that's important, brilliant.

642
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: Just that little moment is like, ugh, it's so amazing.

643
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 3: He's so good.

644
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: And then we're prepping a man to Tanner for Diane

645
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: Sawyer and it seems like she may not want.

646
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: To yeah, because that paternity suit's going to be a

647
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 4: little bit of.

648
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: When we do that and they realize that she's not

649
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: pregnant with the president's husband, I mean, the president's baby.

650
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: And this for the next first is that we've got

651
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: the words Abby throws papers at her when I wanted

652
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: to leave Charles, and she has the most beautiful scene.

653
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: Oh, when I wanted to leave Charles.

654
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I wanted to leave Charles.

655
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: Abby and Olivia have been at odds for a while

656
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: because Abby thinks Olivia keeps fucking up. She's her gut

657
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: is not in the right place, she's taking on the

658
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: wrong cases, she's she's misstepping right and left and yeah.

659
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: For the first time, Abby says the phrase over a cliff, yes,

660
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: which like, are you joking? Like who comes up with

661
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: this shit?

662
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 4: I know?

663
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 3: Also, Katie, I don't know if you if you noticed,

664
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 3: this is the first time that we hear Abby mentions

665
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 3: Olivia taking a tire iron to her ex husband's kneecap. Yes,

666
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 3: And it's the first Like I heard it for the

667
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 3: first time when I watched it on this rewatch and

668
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 3: I was like, oh shit, Like Olivia got violent on

669
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: this dude because he, you know, he hit her friend.

670
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, wow, that's that's cool. That's

671
00:33:59,160 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 3: interesting information.

672
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 5: Shadowing of.

673
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: What's his name with the chair wow, which is like

674
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: seasons later. I cry so hard in this episode because

675
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: of the fucking don't ever show me an episode of

676
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: television anywhere, anytime where a baby's being ripped away from

677
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: its mother while the baby's fucking crying.

678
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 4: Baby's performance is amazing.

679
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 5: I can't This baby is unbelievable.

680
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: I don't know whether the baby's really crying or they

681
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: added it in post, but it is absolutely.

682
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 4: Crying. It's on's face.

683
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's really heart wrenching. I mean, it's absolutely

684
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: heart wrenching that the dickhead dictator who's abusive and a

685
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: piece of shit, like the wife wants to save her

686
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 2: family and leave him because he's not the man she married.

687
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, fine, you can leave me, but

688
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to take all the children. And they have

689
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 2: to like and over the sobbing baby and the older son,

690
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 2: and it is just absolutely heartbreaking.

691
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 3: And those those guest stars, can I just say really quickly, Jose,

692
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yes, Jose's Uniga, who plays handed out

693
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: Benicio Florida is h He's been in a like over

694
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 3: one hundred and forty like films and TV shows like

695
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 3: he's in everything. Yeah, And speaking of first, me and

696
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 3: him did my first movie ever, Fresh where I got

697
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 3: my sag card, a movie with Sam Jackson and bouchet wright.

698
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 3: Jose was in that film with me, so we did.

699
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 3: He was in you know, my first first movie ever.

700
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 4: Oh I love that.

701
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 3: Anyway, he's he's a wonderful actor. And then and then

702
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: Valerie Cruz, who plays Gottolina Florida is she's amazing and

703
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 3: she was on Off the Map. Do you remember that, Katie?

704
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 5: Oh yes, yes, I knew she looked familiar to me.

705
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 5: Oh my god, that's crazy.

706
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 3: Was that that was a Shondalance show right now?

707
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: Was the Doctors Without Borders like Gray's Anatomy sort of

708
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: spinoff that lasted for one season and it.

709
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 4: Was my only show that did not become a huge wow.

710
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 2: And I tested sort of for like all three female

711
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 2: doctors and didn't get them. It was the year before Scandal,

712
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: and thank god, because I wasn't supposed to be fucking

713
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: doing that.

714
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 3: And our makeup artist are amazing. Makeup artist Denise worked

715
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 3: on Off the Map, and I remember her and Valerie

716
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 3: always just chatting and connecting and reminiscing about shooting that show.

717
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: I think they shot it in Hawaii or something right

718
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 3: at Yeah, yeah, yeah.

719
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 5: I have a question.

720
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: Gideon watches the tape in this episode where the President's

721
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: like whispering in your ear?

722
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 5: Do you remember shooting that.

723
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 4: I do remember shooting that.

724
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 5: Fuck was he saying?

725
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 4: I think he was just leaning in and he didn't

726
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 4: say anything, I think, and that was I remember it was.

727
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 4: There was a lot of discussion I think about like

728
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 4: how they wanted it to look and it was so

729
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 4: I don't I don't recall him. I mean, I think

730
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 4: he was probably just joking around when we did it,

731
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 4: and just you know, at.

732
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: The end of the episode, when you get man Tanner

733
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 2: gets kidnapped, it's amazing, it's eerie, it's fucking terrifying. Did

734
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: you was it George Newburn doing it to you or

735
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 2: was it like just.

736
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 4: A standard No, I think it was a stunt person.

737
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 2: So you didn't know at the time when you were

738
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: shooting it that it was Charlie.

739
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 4: I didn't know. I didn't know any of that. Yeah, yeah,

740
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 4: I didn't know shit the yeah, the needle in the foot,

741
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 4: you know. I think I remember reading that episode and

742
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 4: being like, oh, I think this is my last episode

743
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 4: because the needle and the toe. I was like, this

744
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 4: isn't from your foot.

745
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: Acting was on point, like no pun intended to Ballerina's Yo.

746
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 3: That ship was the way trying to pull away from

747
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 3: that needle. It was so good. It's such a great scene.

748
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 4: Funny watching it is that I realized that I couldn't.

749
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 4: I wasn't keeping my eyes open, like my my instinct

750
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 4: was to like just be squinty. So wished were you watching?

751
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 4: And I'm like, open your eyes, dummy, open your eyes.

752
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 5: See who's doing it? Like, see see what's happening?

753
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like and it wasn't. And so that's I wish

754
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 4: I did that differently as well.

755
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 3: But I didn't even think of that about it.

756
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: I justly see is that you're fucking terrified, and like, yeah,

757
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: but that's so fucked up. When I'm watching it, I

758
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: don't even think I realized. I don't know if tell

759
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: me if I'm completely wrong. Do you think everybody was like, oh,

760
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: this is when she's dead. I just assumed that he

761
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: puts something in you to make you fall asleep, not

762
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: something that kills you.

763
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess. I yeah, I probably just went to

764
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 4: the worst case scenario for myself as an actor.

765
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like, gee, did you think this like that

766
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: Amanda Tanner is dead or were you like she's going

767
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: to be put out and we're not done with.

768
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 3: Her yet exactly. Yeah, I didn't think. I didn't think

769
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 3: they were going to kill her off either. Yeah, at

770
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 3: least at that point, I.

771
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 4: Think Seanda brought me in and told me that she

772
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 4: is to die, but that there was going to be

773
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 4: like some flashback stuff and then.

774
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: Wait, we need to talk about that while we have

775
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: you though. I'll remember that day like nobody like we

776
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: were in Long Beach, I think.

777
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 4: And then she told me that they're going to pull

778
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 4: my body out of the river. And I was like,

779
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 4: can I please do that?

780
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: Oh man, I have no idea what disgusting thing happens.

781
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: But you were pulled up on this this vest crig, this.

782
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 5: Rig and just dangling. Was it freezing cold?

783
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 4: They put I mean they really geared me up. I

784
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 4: mean I think I had like layers of wet suits

785
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 4: on under my clothes and everything.

786
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 5: And they painted you blue. They like painted you.

787
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: Your makeup was like obviously someone had been dropped in

788
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: the Potomac.

789
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 4: There was a lot of discussion about like keep your

790
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 4: mouth closed, like make sure like this water is probably

791
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 4: not great.

792
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 5: Oh shit, that's disgusting.

793
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 3: So they dunked your ass in. They dunked you in,

794
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 3: pulled you out for the seat.

795
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 4: Well, there was the thing that they did have a

796
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 4: stunt person because I guess you're not allowed to be

797
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 4: like I couldn't be underwater and pulled up, so they

798
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 4: said they yeah, so they did the stunt person for that.

799
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 4: But then they did let me.

800
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 2: Just like when it was like the close up on

801
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: your face and really knowing who it was that is

802
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: you got to do that.

803
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 4: And it was so fun, Like I was like so

804
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,479
Speaker 4: excited to do that. That was just some next level

805
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 4: like I cannot believe I get to be doing this.

806
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 4: This is so cool soun like river death moment.

807
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, please, un fucking believable and also so effective

808
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 2: for us because you know, we have so many episodes

809
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: after you die where we're talking. You know, it's so

810
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 2: crazy that you're not there because you're so allot. You know,

811
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: it's like those plays where like you never meet the

812
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: dad but the pictures on the wall and they talked

813
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: about dad so much or whatever, but like it felt

814
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: like that like you were so I mean, you were

815
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: the engine and the fire of the.

816
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 5: Whole first season.

817
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

818
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if people didn't really care and feel for you,

819
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: it would never have worked. And that's just like such

820
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: a testament to everything you did.

821
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 4: Wow. Thanks guys.

822
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 5: We will be back with more after the break.

823
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,959
Speaker 2: If this was twenty twelve, right, this aired on April

824
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 2: twenty six and twenty twelve.

825
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 5: Do you remember when you first shot Murder?

826
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 4: Twenty fourteen, so it was two years?

827
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, two years, that's yeah, that's wild. My god.

828
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 3: I remember being at the one of the evening before parties,

829
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 3: those Emmy parties as a scandal casting. We were already

830
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 3: on seas I don't know what season we were on,

831
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 3: two or three, maybe right before Murder started, and then

832
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, How To get Away with Murder

833
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 3: was a hot.

834
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 5: Show, huge show.

835
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

836
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 2: Did you have scenes again with Carrie when she crossed

837
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: over to How To get Away with Murder?

838
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 5: Because we did it?

839
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 3: Oh, that's right.

840
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 4: No, they had to do a really weird thing with

841
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 4: me because they couldn't have Amanda Tanner and Bonnie Winterbottom

842
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 4: exist in the same universe much.

843
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,479
Speaker 3: Oh shit, Oh.

844
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 5: My god, that's insane. Did someone tell you that?

845
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 4: No? I mean I think that it occurred to them

846
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 4: in the room when they were trying to break that

847
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 4: crossover of like She's gonna like I was kind of problematic.

848
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 2: I had to think about that either, because you also

849
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: look so different between the two roles. I mean, I

850
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: mean you're also you're a chameleia of an actor, but

851
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: like you look wildly different. I mean you have a short,

852
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 2: blonde bob and you're in these suits and like really

853
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: powerful and just such. I mean, honestly, I don't even

854
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: know if I didn't know you that you were the

855
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: same person.

856
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 3: That you would connect that. Yeah, which is which is great.

857
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 4: I wish I got to be a part of those scenes,

858
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 4: but yeah, they just didn't. They just didn't bring Bonnie

859
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 4: into that story.

860
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 2: Holy shit, I never even thought about that. Now, Wow,

861
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: that would have flipped fans out.

862
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Yo, Liza, were you ever on how to

863
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 3: get it with murder? Did you ever have days where

864
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 3: you were like, I don't know what the fuck is

865
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 3: happening in the story, Like what what? And then just

866
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 3: do it? Because me and Katie talked about that. There'd

867
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 3: be days where I'd be like Katie, I don't know,

868
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 3: I don't know what the fuck is happening in the storyline.

869
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 3: I really don't I'm so lost.

870
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm.

871
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 3: Just going to act the shit out of it or try,

872
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 3: like I don't know what's happening. And we were on

873
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 3: the show and I know how to get it watching

874
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 3: how to get it with Murder. Sometimes I'd be like

875
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 3: I'd have to rewatch and read because I was like, wait,

876
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 3: what I say? Why?

877
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 4: Yeah? And we were braiding time in such a weird

878
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 4: way too on that show.

879
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 2: Well, they were like going back and forth and jumping

880
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 2: back in time and the night of the thing and

881
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 2: then that I'm like, I don't know where we are.

882
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean yes, we were constantly doing that. And

883
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 4: it was also like our you know, like the night

884
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 4: X stuff, like we would shoot the Murder night stuff

885
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 4: that you know that comes together at the end of

886
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 4: the season. But they hadn't even figured it out out,

887
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 4: like they didn't know the trajectory. So we're shooting it

888
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 4: in like piecemeal little sections as well. And they've never

889
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 4: they never wanted to break that story fully, so everybody

890
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 4: was just completely in the dark. Like they would be like,

891
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 4: you know, like season five, we're like, we're gonna have

892
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 4: you smothering somebody in the snow. We don't know who

893
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 4: that person is or why you're doing this. So if

894
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 4: you could just do that, do that with like a

895
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 4: neutral expression on our face, you know, like run out

896
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 4: of the house like you just killed somebody. Now run

897
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 4: out of the house like you didn't kill somebody, but

898
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 4: you still there's still an urgency to your running.

899
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 3: Like it's just like, oh my god.

900
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 4: You know, we had the whole season of like Who's

901
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 4: under the sheet? Like we know we were told like

902
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 4: one of you who's gonna die? We don't know who

903
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 4: it is.

904
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: I mean, Scandal became a show sort of like that.

905
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: I remember I was actually just gonna see the question

906
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: like Scandal when we when James died, Oh yeah, you know,

907
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: we we we were very very quickly shaken to realize like,

908
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: oh yeah, people can die on this show, like like

909
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 2: Columbus Shorts character died, like James died, and I remember

910
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: being like, oh shit, none of us are safe.

911
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 5: But how do you survive it?

912
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 2: I mean it's too much, you know, when you're on

913
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: such serious shows, it's like you gotta like let some

914
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 2: of that air out. We also make farting sounds all

915
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: the time.

916
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Liza, that's what we do, like right,

917
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 3: before shooting on Scandal, we would do that all the time.

918
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 4: Serious.

919
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 3: Action and then we'd go.

920
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 4: It's levity, man, you gotta have the levity.

921
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 5: I know I can't.

922
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 2: I wish we could like all go back and we're

923
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 2: going to make the Scandal musical comedy.

924
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 3: Yes, oh I know.

925
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 4: I mean if you guys think that there will be

926
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 4: like a reboot thing like like, I don't.

927
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 2: I think has always been like no, it doesn't in

928
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 2: the cards, but I whenever I whenever we've like said

929
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: it in passing like carry or anyone, I know that

930
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: the whole cast would do anything because we really loved

931
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: working together and we Yeah, you know, I think that's

932
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: the hardest part. I think so much about Scanal being

933
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 2: over is more. I mean, yes, we loved the material

934
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: in the ride, but the greatest is like, oh, I'm

935
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: never going to be at five o'clock in the morning

936
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 2: on a Monday morning and a makeup trailer with her

937
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: Modiaz and Kerrie Washington and Darby Stansfield, like just shooting

938
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 2: the ship. It's like that only exists in the time

939
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: that we had.

940
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, that's the stuff, man, It's it's magic.

941
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 5: It's the stuff.

942
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, y'all, let's get into our favorite.

943
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 5: Do doo doo tweets, the.

944
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 3: Mess y'all.

945
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: We read some of the tweets of the time. Were

946
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: you on Twitter during this time?

947
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 4: I wasn't yet. I was we were. I was mandated

948
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 4: to get Twitter and Instagram when Murder started and so,

949
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 4: but I wasn't fully doing it. I remember watching you

950
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 4: guys do that. Well, I guess you guys didn't start

951
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 4: the live tweeting phenomenon until season two, right, that was

952
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 4: like the big ship pilot. Okay, it was the.

953
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 3: Pilot, Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, we started tweeting from

954
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 3: the from the beginning, but it took off later.

955
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it took off second season, but the first

956
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 2: season we started it. But some of the tweets from

957
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: April twenty seventh of twenty twelve, this is like going

958
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: back into our our time capsule Liza is at end

959
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: the fact it said, whoever this Amanda Turner is has

960
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 2: balls of steel lying like that hashtag scandal. Nice job,

961
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: Amanda Turner.

962
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 3: They would mess up our names all the time. I

963
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 3: get called.

964
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 5: Hawk, Oh, would be like I love Puck.

965
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got pucker Hawk.

966
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 5: Love that hawk. I'm like Yo, you're.

967
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 3: All this stay at home I stay at home daughter

968
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 3: at fuddlecutdo, says mean while watching Scandal, bitch, you know

969
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 3: they can kill you, right. Take the fucking money serious,

970
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 3: which is not wrong. Where's the lie? Where's the lie

971
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 3: in that statement? Yep? Nowhere? It was ten million dollars.

972
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: Amanda Turner said no to ten million.

973
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 4: A minute it was, wasn't it?

974
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was ten million.

975
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 4: I thought they were off friends right meeting man.

976
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 5: God, she must really love that Billy Chambers.

977
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, like she really loved that Billy Chambers at lex

978
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: Boogie one on April twenty seventeenty twelve, says I just

979
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: finished doing that.

980
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 5: I don't know what that's it, replies to.

981
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 2: Lol retweet, Oh here it is, guys. I'm just like

982
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: remembering how to read twitter at. I need to watch

983
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 2: Cyrus read the President for blood one more time on

984
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 2: Scandal hashtag DVR.

985
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 5: Who's this?

986
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 2: At Rolake says the blondie and newbie on Scandal are

987
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: kind of awe.

988
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 4: I know, I was trying to figure out who they

989
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 4: were talking about.

990
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 5: Who is that?

991
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 3: That's YouTube? Oh that's YouTube?

992
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 5: Than blonde?

993
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 4: She was kind of dirty blonde?

994
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: Oh was she Oh my god, Oh my god, they're

995
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: talking about us.

996
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 5: Fuck you so.

997
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: A no, it's fine, please. That is nothing compared to

998
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: the shit I got for the next seven years.

999
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 4: It's a very strange thing, the Twitter. It's a blessing

1000
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 4: and a curse. Man, I don't know.

1001
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 3: The key is not responding to to that bullshit, not

1002
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 3: feed into that like I did in the beginning a

1003
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 3: little bit, and then I was just like, I can't

1004
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 3: do that. I just would mute people.

1005
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 2: For me, it would be like a hundred compliments, but

1006
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 2: the one thing that someone said that was unc hind

1007
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 2: would be the thing I would think about her and

1008
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: my husband would be like, Katie, there's literally like ninety

1009
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: nine people telling you that you're prettier, you did a

1010
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: good job or something, and the one person who said

1011
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: I was had a fat ass, or you know, that

1012
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 2: I was stupid or somebody fucking killed Quinn Perkins or

1013
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: something would be the thing that would like.

1014
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 3: Eat what you would harp on. Yeah.

1015
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like it was such a lesson. But also

1016
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for it, because my god, I have

1017
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 2: a thick skin now, Like I don't even fucking care,

1018
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: Like I'm just like think what you want.

1019
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 5: Like, when you get put.

1020
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 2: Through that, you're just like the the only way I'm

1021
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: going to survive this is to just yeah, you just

1022
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: you just build up immunity to it.

1023
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 5: You're just like, yeah, I can't care.

1024
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, ye, Liza VI, you are so tell us

1025
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 2: what you're up to now and then we'll let you go.

1026
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 5: We can catch you on the Cleaning Lady.

1027
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 4: You can catch me. I'm the Cleaning Lady. Yes, you

1028
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 4: can watch it on Hulu and I believe that the

1029
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 4: first season is on HBO Max. But yeah, I've had

1030
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 4: a really lovely time recurring on that show, really really nice.

1031
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 5: I've heard it's amazing.

1032
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 4: It's a really fun show. And again, like I get

1033
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 4: to do some really fucking cool shit on that show.

1034
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 5: Man, Like what are you playing? What are you playing? Now? God,

1035
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 5: you're such a chameleon.

1036
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 4: Assistant Special Agent in Charge Catherine Russo who is FBI

1037
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 4: and I play sort of this the boss supervisor to

1038
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 4: Oliver Hudson, who is, yes, a little bit of a

1039
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 4: loose cannon rogue rogue agent.

1040
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 5: This is very cool. I'm very into this.

1041
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a cool show, but I get to I

1042
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 4: got to like fucking jump out of a helicopter with

1043
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 4: like swat gear on, and I get to do cool

1044
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 4: actiony stuff a little bit yo.

1045
00:51:58,719 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 5: And Liza's fucking strong.

1046
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 2: How I used to take pilates private doubles with her.

1047
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 2: We had the same pilates teacher, Juliet Kaska. Who's so

1048
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 2: I can do one move? She asked me, not a

1049
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 2: single fucking one.

1050
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 4: It took me months, Katie, like, like I think, maybe

1051
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 4: even a full two babies.

1052
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 5: I have lost everything I ever knew or.

1053
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 4: Was when I I mean, I started working with her

1054
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 4: like six months after I had Josephine, and I had

1055
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 4: zero body awareness or like I couldn't feel any kind

1056
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 4: of muscle.

1057
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: An ab good luck, I know, but I used to

1058
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: do doubles with Liza when I was in great shape.

1059
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 5: And Liza's a beast.

1060
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 3: You are so strong, you.

1061
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 2: Are so fit, and anyone who's anyone should go and

1062
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 2: watch the Cleaning Lady and watch Liza jump out of

1063
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 2: helicopters and kick some fucking yeah. Thank you all so

1064
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 2: much for listening to the Scandal Rewatch podcast Unpacking the

1065
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 2: Tool though, and.

1066
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 3: Thank you Liza. Thank you so so much Eliza for

1067
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 3: hanging out with us.

1068
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 4: Thank you guys, as it's lovely talking to you. I

1069
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 4: could talk to you all day long because it is

1070
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 4: so fun.

1071
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 2: Oh my god, rings and let's do that. Yeah, I

1072
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: want to hang out, Liza. I miss you terribly. Thank

1073
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: you for coming on. Next week we are on episode

1074
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 2: one oh five called Crash and Burn.

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00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 3: That's a really good episode. The next one too. Oh yeah,

1076
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 3: it was a huge plane crash. Yes, yeah, you guys

1077
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 3: got to come back and check it out.

1078
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 5: I'm back check it out with Katie Lows.

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Speaker 3: Unpacking the Toolbox. Hi. Thank you guys for joining us

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