1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: Welcome back in our number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we're 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: rolling through the Monday edition of the program. Lots of 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: things going on right now. We're going to continue to 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: break them down, whether it's Ukraine, whether it's Epstein and beyond. 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: But we're headed now to talk to the Governor of Georgia, 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: Brian Kemp, because I think this is one of the 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: great untold stories that lots of people are going to 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: pretend just never happened. 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: But I know a lot of you who are baseball. 11 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: Fans, certainly, and definitely if you are Atlanta Braves fans, 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: we're very, very excited. The All Star Game was set 13 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: to be played in Atlanta several years ago, back in 14 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. After the twenty twenty election and the 15 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: difficulty of counting votes and all of the difficulty surrounding 16 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: the voting process in general, the State of Georgia, Brian Kemp, 17 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: Governor of Georgia, along with the legislature in the State 18 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: of Georgia, said let's clean up, Let's provide more security, 19 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: let's provide more reliability, transparency, all of those things. For 20 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: our elections going forward, and the president at the time, 21 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, said that this was the equivalent of Jim Crow. 22 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: He actually said it was even worse than Jim Crow. 23 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: He said it was Jim Eagle. He said it was racist, 24 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: he said it was awful. And a lot of people 25 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: again have forgotten about this, they have memory hold it. 26 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: I know that Governor of Georgia has not. He is 27 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: with us now, Brian Kemp. The All Star Game is 28 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: in Atlanta tomorrow. The home Run Derby is tonight. But 29 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: I want to give you an opportunity to tee off 30 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: on Joe Biden and all the Democrats who said that 31 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: what you guys were doing was a direct attack on democracy. 32 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us. The floor is yours, Governor. 33 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 3: Oh well, thanks for having me on. Guys. Good to 34 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 3: be with you. I'm still trying to figure out what 35 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: the whole Jim Eagle thing anyway, you know, all these 36 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 3: all these years later, but you know it's really outrageous, 37 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 3: how really overstated President Biden, Stacy Abrams, the rest of 38 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 3: the left, a lot of the national media, really most 39 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 3: of the national media, were over the Elections Integrity Act 40 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: that made it easy to vote hard to cheat in Georgie. 41 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 3: And I know you went through buck a lot of 42 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 3: the things that we did to secure the vote, but 43 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 3: we also gave more opportunity for people to vote in 44 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 3: that bill. And even though we did that, the Democrats 45 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 3: said it was you know, suppressive and racists and Jim 46 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 3: Crow and it wasn't the case. You know, we got sued. 47 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 3: We won every single lawsuit that Stacy Abrams and her 48 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 3: cronies filed against us. We've also had a bunch of 49 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 3: elections since then where we've had you know, secure, accessible, 50 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 3: fair elections in Georgia. We've seen minority participation increase in 51 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 3: those elections. So like all the things that they said 52 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: never happened, and we knew they weren't going to happen 53 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 3: because we knew what was in the bill. They overplayed 54 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 3: their hand and really made a bad political stake mistake, 55 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 3: and you know, the commissioner in Major League Baseball and 56 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 3: some corporations did the same thing. And now they know 57 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: that they were wrong in that regard. But we're certainly 58 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 3: glad to have the All Star Game being in Atlanta 59 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 3: this year. It's going to be great. It's a great ballpark, 60 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 3: it's a great area up there. It's great for the 61 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 3: small business people that got screwed last time when they 62 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 3: moved the game. 63 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: Actually, the voting, and I think this is important, voting 64 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: numbers actually went up after the security bill that you 65 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: guys put in place in twenty twenty two compared to 66 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: prior midterms, and up again in twenty twenty four. Doesn't 67 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: it seem like there should be some consequences for all 68 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: of those lies. I know Trump won Georgia, I know 69 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: you won big, but the fact that they all said this, 70 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: they pulled the All Star Game, now they're coming back, 71 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: It's like everybody just wants to pretend none did this 72 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: ever happened. 73 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 3: Well, we got to make care we never forget. And 74 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 3: you know, and first of all, this couple of things, 75 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 3: you know, it just shows you when you get political 76 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 3: in sports, it always ends up being bad. 77 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 4: You know. 78 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 3: It's the one thing that unites people on both sides 79 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 3: of the island, people that don't even care about politics 80 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 3: of why, you know, drag sporting events. In the middle 81 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 3: of that, I told the commissioner he was making a 82 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 3: mistake that you know, he already had. You know, the 83 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,239 Speaker 3: people on the left that were mad at him because 84 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 3: he hadn't moved, and then when he pulled the bill, 85 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 3: he hadn't made everybody on the right. Man. I said, 86 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 3: now you're in the middle of the circular fire and squad. 87 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 3: You're never going to make the left happy. And you know, 88 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 3: that's that's just what happened. But we shouldn't have politics 89 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 3: in sports. And that was the first big mistake. But 90 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 3: the other thing is it was really one of the 91 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: first times coming out of COVID where we stood up 92 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 3: and said we are not going to run from our values. 93 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 3: It's kind of like the you know, boys and girls 94 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 3: sports argument. You know, finally the right and people just 95 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 3: just seeing people are standing up and go and enough 96 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 3: is enough already. We're not going to be bullied around 97 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 3: by a corporate boardroom or Major League Baseball or anybody else. 98 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 3: We're going to stand up for what our values are 99 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 3: and what we want to do in our state to 100 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 3: make sure our elections are secure but also accessible. And 101 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 3: that's really when people started coming after us. We just 102 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 3: took the fight right back to them because I knew 103 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,679 Speaker 3: what was in the bill. We had worked very hard 104 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: with the legislature to make sure that we addressed the 105 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: issue you know, the mechanical issues with the election that 106 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 3: we all saw and that we needed to fix, but 107 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: also making sure that it wasn't suppressive, it wasn't going 108 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 3: to keep anybody from voting, and then we had a 109 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 3: secure system and that's what the people want. And we 110 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: stood up and fought for that and pushed back and 111 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 3: didn't bow down. And you know, there's been a lot 112 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 3: of great governors that have done that since then, a 113 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 3: lot of other people that are just saying, hey, enough 114 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 3: is enough. And now you're seeing the pendulum start to 115 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 3: swing back against all this is craziness in the world. 116 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 3: And you know, Republicans are pretty good at you know, 117 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 3: live and let live and not trying to dictate people's 118 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: daily lives. But the other side is not, you know, 119 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 3: they want to push their jen on us, and I 120 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 3: think it's you know, for the last several years, including 121 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 3: with President Trump and like in my real lift, a 122 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,239 Speaker 3: lot of other people have been standing up and going, 123 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 3: you know, this is what you've got and this is 124 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 3: not what you want. And it showed at the ballot 125 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 3: box of the last couple of cycles. 126 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 5: Governor kempits Buck, appreciate you being here with us, and uh, look, 127 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 5: I'm I'm I'm a Yankee. Don't hold that against me, 128 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 5: but who has a particular soft spot for Georgia? 129 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 2: I love your state. 130 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 5: I do have a complaint, though, which is that we 131 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 5: have lost some very winnable Senate seats in Georgia in 132 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 5: some recent elections. I know the Democrat Asoff is going 133 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 5: to be up in this next cycle. It's early, but 134 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 5: how are you seeing that political landscape? I mean, Trump 135 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 5: against Kamala was what fifty one forty nine When all 136 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 5: things are considered, Georgia's this critical swing state. Are do 137 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,679 Speaker 5: you do you feel confident that the state Republican Party 138 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 5: and just the people of Georgia are to make the 139 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 5: right decision the next time around and we'll pick up 140 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 5: a Republican Senate seat. 141 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 2: How do you see that? 142 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 3: Well, it's gonna be a tough race. I mean, anytime 143 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 3: you're trying to beat it in combat, it's gonna be 144 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: very tough, especially in a state like Georgia. Mean, I 145 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 3: personally think the generic ballot in Georgia's a fifty two 146 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 3: to forty eight kind of state. We saw much of 147 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 3: that with President Trump's reelection. You know, we had a 148 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,239 Speaker 3: lot better get out the vote effort, a lot, better 149 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 3: targeting effort, lot better daily track and polling, you know, 150 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 3: going after low propensity voters. In the twenty four cycle, 151 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 3: we were a big part of helping that not only 152 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 3: our legislative candidates, but also went at the top of 153 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: the ticket with President. But we also did the same 154 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 3: thing in twenty twenty two in my re election campaign. 155 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 3: We built our own ground game. We did all this work, 156 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 3: phone call and everything. We raised the money for it, 157 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 3: and we've done that too cycles in a row now 158 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: and it's worked in our state, and I believe it'll 159 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 3: work again in twenty twenty six if we have really 160 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 3: good candidate. We raised a lot of money and then 161 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 3: we do the fun fundamental things that we need to do. 162 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 3: And I am going to be one hundred percent engaged 163 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 3: and making sure that we're raising that money and doing 164 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 3: those fundamentals. And I've been, you know, talking to the 165 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 3: White House and to the President about us uniting behind 166 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 3: the candidate that we can all get behind, because that's, really, 167 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 3: my eyes, the only way that you're going to beat 168 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 3: a tough in company. He has a very vulnerable record, 169 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 3: but make no mistake, he'll have unlimited money from the 170 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 3: billionaires on their side, and he's a shameless politician and 171 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 3: he'll be tough to beat. But that said, he's got 172 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 3: a record where we can beat him. If you think 173 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 3: about the Democrats being in control of the Congress and 174 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 3: the White House from twenty twenty to twenty twenty two, 175 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: the millions of people that they just let come undobated 176 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 3: across the border, creating forty year high in placing and 177 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 3: high cost that we're dealing with today, how mortgage rates, 178 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 3: high rents, high housing prices. I mean, it's affected everybody 179 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 3: out there from the bottom up, you know, supporting boys 180 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 3: playing in girls' sports and then voting against arm Israel. 181 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 3: I mean, those are things that are his record. He 182 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 3: is going to have to defend that, and that is 183 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 3: not going to be an easy thing to do in 184 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 3: the state of Georgia. 185 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: Well, you know, Governor, I wanted you to run, So 186 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 1: you're not going to run now in the Senate. I 187 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: think you've said that. Is that still you're not running? 188 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 6: Right? 189 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: Is that that fair? Yeah? 190 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 3: That's yeah, that's that's correct. I mean this is not 191 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 3: a good time for me and the family. I've got 192 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: a great job now I want to continue to focus 193 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 3: on that. I'm also cheer in the Republican Governors Association, 194 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 3: so committed to raising a lot of money to help 195 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 3: re elect and elect Republican governors in the twenty six 196 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 3: cycle this year, in twenty five in New Jersey and Virginia. 197 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: The next year we have thirty six races the way, 198 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 3: we have a lot going on. I've committed to doing that, 199 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 3: and you know, very happy where I am very flattered 200 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: that a lot of people wanted me to run. This 201 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 3: is not a good time for me right now, all right? 202 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: So do you then? 203 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: You mentioned the importance of having really good candidates in 204 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: twenty six for both governor and Senate and what will 205 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: be a huge, huge battleground state, as you said, fifty 206 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: two to forty eight state. Do you anticipate endorsing for 207 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: the Senate and or the governors and what would that 208 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: look like for people out there? What would your time 209 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: frame look like on something like that. 210 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 3: Well, in the governor's race, I'm not getting involved in 211 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 3: that right now. I mean, look, I know everybody that's 212 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 3: in there, I've worked with them, had a great relationship, 213 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 3: We've got a great record in the state that we've 214 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 3: all done good things to keep our state moving forward, 215 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 3: and you know, someone letting them hash that out at 216 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 3: least for right now. Anyway, in the Senate race, I've 217 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 3: told everybody that's running, people that are thinking about running, 218 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 3: that my goal is to try to work and get 219 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 3: President Trump and I on the same page of supporting 220 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 3: a candidate in the US Senate race, because I think 221 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 3: that is the single best way that we could beat 222 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 3: John oss Off. You know, us being on the same 223 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 3: page in the twenty twenty four cycle worked great for 224 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 3: helping him win the state of Georgia, helping us hold 225 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 3: the state House. We beat an incumbent Democrat in the 226 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 3: district at Kamala Harris one in our state and held 227 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 3: three incumbents and district that she won, and so we 228 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: had great success at working together. My goal is for 229 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: us to do that again in the twenty twenty six cycle, 230 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 3: and we're working on that as we speak. 231 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: What do you think the timeframe is on that in 232 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: terms of trying to pick a guy or galp Well. 233 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 3: You know, I think it's hard to say. I mean, 234 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 3: it can't be forever from now, but we still have 235 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 3: a little bit of time being that we're in the 236 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 3: middle of the Dog Days this summer. 237 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: All right, Well, I see you at the All Star 238 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: Game tomorrow. I'm betting you're going to be there. 239 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,599 Speaker 3: I am going to be at the All Star Game tomorrow. 240 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 3: Well hopefully, Atlanta Braves. They're a great organization. They've been 241 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 3: very supportive of things that we've been doing in the 242 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: state and you know, really, I know they would want 243 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 3: to be dragged into this whole mess with MLB because 244 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 3: they didn't have anything to do with that. We're just 245 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 3: excited for the organization and all the people to put 246 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 3: so much work into having a great, great week in Atlanta. 247 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 3: And you know, it's a great way. It's okay to 248 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 3: ballpark and plus the battery around it is a great 249 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 3: economic impact venue. If you've ever been there, it's incredible. 250 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 3: If you haven't, you should go. It's really a cool 251 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 3: place to see a ballgame and experience some great entertainment 252 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 3: outside the ballpark. 253 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: Amen, I'll be there, Governor, knock it out. We appreciate 254 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: the time and enjoy the game. 255 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 3: Hi, see you guys, Thanks for having me on. Go Dogs. 256 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: It's Governor Brian Kemp. For those of you who don't know, 257 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 1: Go Dogs. At the end, there the sec media days underway. 258 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: Georgia Bulldogs, which, by the way, Buck, your wife would 259 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: probably not love because she is a Florida Gator, And 260 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the great rivalries in all 261 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: sports out there, Gators versus dogs. Look it said, art 262 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: can imitate life. Take a good crime drama on TV 263 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: and how many times do you see where the episode 264 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: is centered on, Hey, is the will? 265 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: There? Is it real? Can we rely on it? 266 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: This is dramatic oftentimes, but it's also reflective of what happens. Unfortunately, 267 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: when someone passes in real life, oftentimes there isn't a will, 268 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: there's not a trust. People don't know what choices you 269 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: would have made, and my goodness, why not go ahead 270 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: and solve that once and for all. You likely spend 271 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: a huge portion of your life trying to make sure 272 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: that your kids, that your grandkids have the best possible 273 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: advantages they can have going forward. You do everything to 274 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: try to help them. But if you thought about what 275 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: will happen when you're gone? Have you tried to limit 276 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: the fighting? 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Let's get 296 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 5: to your calls your talkbacks. Remember if you want to 297 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 5: chat with us eight hundred and two A two two 298 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 5: eight A two. The talkback is a fantastic feature found 299 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 5: on the iHeart Radio APPH Sorry I paused there for 300 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 5: a second because like a bolt of lightning just went 301 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 5: off right here, felt like right near my head here 302 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 5: in Miami. 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Uh, 309 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 4: wanting to make a point that Giselle Maxwell has now 310 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 4: come out and said she's ready to testify in front 311 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 4: of Congress and name names and uh places and dates. 312 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 4: She did make it a point to say that Donald 313 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 4: Trump was not on that list. As you know, she's 314 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 4: in the sci here in Tallahassee, and that's made news everywhere. 315 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 4: I think she's just put a target on her back 316 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 4: and she might be Epstein before she knows it. But 317 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 4: I just thought that was really interesting with the timing 318 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 4: of everything, and now she's ready to talk and and 319 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 4: uh just uh, you know she's got she's got a 320 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 4: copy of that list, making no mistake about it. And 321 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 4: I was wondering what your guys take, you guys take 322 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 4: was and whether you think she has put a target 323 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 4: on her back. 324 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: Uh, Julie Maxwell is I believe and team in New York. 325 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: You can fact check me on this. I believe she's 326 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: a convicted fellow and serving twenty years in prison for 327 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: trafficking girls for. 328 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: Fscene. 329 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: I don't know what the precedents are candidly on pulling 330 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: someone out of federal prison. I believe she's in federal 331 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: prison and bringing them to Capitol Hill to testify. I 332 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: don't know if you can think of one buck, I 333 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: can't think of very ever occurring where you pull somebody 334 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: out of federal prison to come testify on Capitol Hill. 335 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: Maybe it's happened before. I just don't know what the 336 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: precedent and the security apparatus around that is. 337 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: Do I think that. 338 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: They could probably have her virtually testify, Well, maybe that's 339 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: the answer. 340 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: Maybe that's the answer, is they could have a virtually testify. 341 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: I don't know candidly enough about what the congressional testimony 342 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: rules are in terms of who can be a witness 343 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: and who cannot, And so if she's going to testify 344 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: to things that could be useful, then I don't have 345 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: any problem with it at all. And I do think 346 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: that probbably given some of the other witnesses in this 347 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: case that the danger to her inside of prison not insubstantial. 348 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: I mean, in other words, would it suddenly astound to 349 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: you if something violent happened to her based on how 350 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: this story has gone down, it would not. And I 351 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: think probably a lot of you would acknowledge that too. 352 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 2: I do not. 353 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: He said that she has said publicly some things about 354 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 1: what she might testify about. I do not know a 355 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: lot of details frankly, surrounding what she might testify too. 356 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: And so that's my kind of analysis in general. Again, ultimately, 357 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: this comes down, in my opinion, to do you believe Trump, 358 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: Pam Bondi, Cash matel and Dan Bongino or not when 359 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:47,719 Speaker 1: they say that there are not right now actionable information 360 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: inside of the government files that would allow people to 361 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: be prosecuted. 362 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 2: That's the question. 363 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 5: Indeed, it is for seeing a lot of first in Washington, DC. 364 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 5: With President Trump back in the White House for a 365 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 5: second term. One of those first just my bring unprecedented 366 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 5: prosperity to America. It's not about his Scripto Reserve Plan 367 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 5: or his AI initiative. 368 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 2: This is different. 369 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 5: According to former presidential advisor Jim Rickards, the man who 370 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 5: correctly predicted the two thousand and eight crash, Trump's twenty 371 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 5: sixteen victory, and the twenty twenty pandemic. This is much 372 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 5: much bigger. Rickords believes Trump is about to unleash a 373 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty trillion dollars state owned asset that 374 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 5: has been hidden for over a century. This could trigger 375 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 5: an economic boom not seen in a century and send 376 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 5: one small sector of the market skyrocketing. 377 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: But you need to act quickly. 378 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 5: Once this breaks as mainstream news, the opportunity vanishes forever. 379 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 5: To watch Jim Rickards interview. Go check this out for free. 380 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 5: You can watch it right now. Go to birthright twenty 381 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 5: twenty five dot com. That's birthright twenty twenty five dot com. 382 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 5: This could be a huge opportunity here what Jim Rickards 383 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 5: has to say. Go to Birthright twenty twenty five dot com. 384 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 5: Paid for by Paradigm Press. Clay Travis bought Sexton Show. 385 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 5: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we 386 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 5: are rolling through the Monday day of the program. Okay, 387 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 5: let's dive into some situations that I actually think are 388 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 5: hugely we were talking about this off the air, hugely 389 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 5: important and largely not being talked about at all. So 390 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 5: Trump has now said, Hey, I'm going to basically give 391 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 5: Ukraine all the weapons they need, including weapons that could 392 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 5: be used in an offensive manner. 393 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 2: Okay, what do I mean by that? 394 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: That means that weapons, missiles, attack weaponry that could theoretically 395 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: even reach Moscow we are now going to give to Ukraine. 396 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: This is a substantial escalation in the overall quality of 397 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: weapon that we have provided because, to a large extent, 398 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: we said in the past, hey, We're only going to 399 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: provide Ukraine with defensive weaponry that is designed to attack 400 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: Russia when they are coming into the country, but not 401 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: these long range tactical weapons. It now appears that we 402 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: are going to be providing long range tactical weapons. This 403 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: was from the White House a bit ago. Earlier today, 404 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: Trump asked about exactly this. What kind of weapons are 405 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: you going to send to Ukraine? This is cut twenty nine. 406 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 4: Will these be patriot missiles specifically, or patriot batteries that 407 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 4: you're planning? 408 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 6: And when you winch this, patriots all of them. 409 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 8: It's a full compliment with. 410 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 9: A battery issue. 411 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 8: And when you expected, well, we're going to have something 412 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 8: come very soon, within days, actually it's a couple of 413 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 8: the countries that have patriots are going to swap over 414 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 8: and we'll replace the patriots where the ones they have, 415 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 8: and Matt will coordinate with NATO. But so it's going 416 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 8: to be a biggest sun of rubbing version. 417 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to ask Buck about this in a second. 418 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: I want to play one more cut. Trump said, I 419 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: got home and talked about the first late lady about 420 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: his calls with Vladimir Putin, and Milania said, well, just 421 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: listen cut thirty one. 422 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 8: I go home, I tell a first lady, and I 423 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 8: spoke of Gladimir today. 424 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 6: We had a wonderful conversation. 425 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 8: She said, oh really, another city was just hitted. So 426 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 8: it's like kidding. 427 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: Look, okay, so Milania's paying attention to what Russia is doing. 428 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: She's from Eastern Europe. Probably not a surprise that she 429 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: would be paying attention to what's going on in Eastern 430 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: Europe because it's her homeland. Uh, Buck, I want to 431 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: ask you this. Everybody has focused on a lot of 432 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: other stories right now. Am I crazy to think us 433 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: giving these kind of weapons to Ukraine? Given what has 434 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: been said over the past several years about hey, we 435 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: want to limit the spread of this conflict is actually 436 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: a huge story. 437 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 2: Part one, Part two. 438 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: Is there a way that Trump wants this to be 439 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: out publicly to Putin to try to pressure him, Hey, 440 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 1: we better get a ceasefire or else there are going 441 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: to be consequences inside of Russia. How do you analyze 442 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: this as a former foreign policy guy inside of the CIA. 443 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: I think that he's changing his position based on the 444 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: reality of the conflict. I think this is a change 445 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,479 Speaker 1: in posture from Trump which is based on the like 446 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: I said, the experience of seeing what it is that 447 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin is really all about. And the problem here 448 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: is it was very popular with the with the Republican 449 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: base going into this election to say that we were 450 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: going to stop well, it wasn't really even clear what 451 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: it was. We were just Zelenski is money laundering, they say, 452 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: And Zelenski's doing all these bad things. And you know, 453 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: we don't want to get involved another war. Okay, yes, absolutely, 454 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: we don't want to get involved another war. But are 455 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,479 Speaker 1: we going to stop sending them stuff or not? And 456 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: that was the question that really wasn't answered on the 457 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: right and any Boddy, I think who was being honest 458 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: and paying attention would admit, I mean, we just never 459 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: got a full and clear explanation other than we're going 460 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: to negotiate an end to the conflict. 461 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 2: That was the plan. The planners are going to negotiate 462 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 2: an end to the conflict. 463 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 5: Putin doesn't want to do that. This is what we've 464 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 5: really seen. So I think we need to look at 465 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 5: this with what's actually happening. Putin sees a Ukraine that 466 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 5: it's fascinating stuff take take apart the humanitarian you know, casualties, 467 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 5: catastrophes and awful stuff that's going on. 468 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 2: It's fascinating just to. 469 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 5: See how quickly the war is evolving. Whereas now they're 470 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 5: saying that drone technology is every ninety days. There's new 471 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 5: drones with new capabilities that are being deployed on this battlefield. 472 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 5: There's there's suicide drones that you are kind of like 473 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 5: a missile with drone capability. There's Russian versions of the 474 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 5: Reaper drone, which has both surveillance and offensive capability. There's 475 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 5: all I mean, there's drones that are launched by individual soldiers, 476 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 5: Drones that are you know, twelve feet across and are 477 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 5: operating more like an unmanned plane or strike craft. I mean, 478 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,239 Speaker 5: there's a lot of stuff, and it really comes down 479 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 5: to manufacturing capacity and technology, and that's what's really moving 480 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 5: the front lines here. Part of what's going on is 481 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 5: the Russians are just swarming Ukrainian air defenses with so 482 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 5: many drones that they're running out of countermeasures. And then 483 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 5: the Russians hit them with missiles in the cities and 484 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 5: hit critical infrastructure and really try to punish them. So 485 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 5: that's what's going on here. I mean, this is now 486 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 5: a drone war of attrition. That is what we're in, 487 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 5: as well as a human being one. I mean, they're 488 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 5: taking serious casualties on the front, but it's a drone 489 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 5: war of attrition. And the problem that Trump is facing 490 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 5: right now is that Vladimir Putin thinks he's winning. Because 491 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 5: he is winning, he's going to be able to out 492 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 5: punch in this match what the Ukrainians have, and so 493 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 5: Trump is saying, all right, Putin, you jerk. And Trump's 494 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 5: been pretty salty in his language about this. I'm not 495 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 5: exactly He's like, all. 496 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: Right, all the people out there that spent years telling 497 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: us Trump was Putin stooge, He's actually aggressively going after 498 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: Putin frankly on a level that most politicians, particularly on 499 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: the Republican side. 500 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 5: Have not been willing. Right, I think that's kind of significant. Yes, 501 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 5: and he's saying I'm going to do now. Remember Trump 502 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,959 Speaker 5: is the one who was willing to escalate in support 503 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 5: of Ukraine at different points. 504 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:25,719 Speaker 2: All along. 505 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 5: It was Trump, not Obama, who was willing to get 506 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 5: lethal aid to the Ukrainians back in the early days 507 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 5: of this Russian uh slow motion invasion. And so Trump 508 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 5: is now willing to say, okay, look we try to 509 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 5: get these guys that you saw him. He smacked around 510 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 5: Zelenski and said, all right, you know you don't have 511 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 5: the cards. We've got to get you to negotiating table. 512 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 5: We've got to end this thing. And Zelenski, you could tell, 513 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 5: was cowed by this a little bit, or it was 514 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 5: a little like okay, like fine, yes, sir. And then 515 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 5: he sits down with Putin. He goes all right, buddy, 516 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 5: what do we need here to make a deal? And 517 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 5: Putin's like, oh, you know, sure, let's make a deal. 518 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 5: And then he keeps firing the missiles. Milania is spot 519 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 5: on here, I say, and this is the game that 520 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 5: Putin is playing. He's saying I want I want peace too, 521 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 5: and then he just keeps firing missiles and doing even 522 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 5: more so he's making Trump look bad, and making Trump 523 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 5: look bad is not smart because he doesn't take wealth 524 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 5: to that. So I think that you're going to see 525 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 5: a major escalation here of the kind of munitions that 526 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 5: we're giving. But I just want to be clear, that 527 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 5: is a shift in policy, and the Trump base should 528 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 5: be aware of that. That is a major shift in 529 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 5: policy that is underway right now. I'm actually surprised that 530 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 5: this has not. We had a massive debate about whether 531 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 5: we should get involved in Iran, right everybody out there 532 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 5: who voted for Trump. There were people who said, oh, 533 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 5: it's going to start World War iie, oh, there's going 534 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 5: to be thousands of Americans that die. Oh gas prices 535 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 5: are going to go to over ten dollars a gallon. 536 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 5: All and true, but there were people out there making 537 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 5: the argument that if we joined Israel and attacked that 538 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 5: there would be major consequences. Hey, this was not America first, 539 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 5: this is not what I voted for. Suddenly, on Ukraine, 540 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 5: there's almost. 541 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: No discussion about this at all, such that I think 542 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: a huge percentage of you out there are hearing about 543 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: this for the first time. Now, my analysis is that 544 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: Trump is trying to by doing this, let Russia know, hey, 545 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: it's time to put down the weapons, and if you're 546 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: not gonna do that, there may be consequences for you, 547 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: Russia that you have had not to contemplate prior to Now. 548 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: The downside of this is if that doesn't work, then 549 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: we are looking at an accelerated amount of fighting that 550 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: could be occurring not only in Ukraine but also in Russia. 551 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: So I don't know how this is going to play out, 552 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: but I think what Buck just said is very important. 553 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,719 Speaker 1: This is very different than hey, we're gonna even the 554 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: Biden team basically said we're only going to give offensive 555 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: weaponry if any And I think part of this is 556 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: it's it's upsetting the political calculus, which is what Trump 557 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: candidly does regularly, such that the left would have to say, wow, 558 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: Trump is actually more supportive of Ukraine than Biden ever was, 559 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: and that many people on the right would have to say, 560 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: wait a minute, this is different than what we thought 561 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: we were getting. 562 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 2: And so a lot of people just pretend it's not happening. 563 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 5: Candidly, well, this is this is a pivot, uh And 564 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 5: I don't see this going in some other direction. I 565 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 5: don't think it's a head fake, clay, because Putin has 566 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 5: slapped away Trump's outstretched hand on this one a few times, 567 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 5: and instead of even he he has he has used 568 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 5: the period of Trump's outreach to bring together some kind 569 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 5: of a a at least a real ceasefire or durable 570 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 5: ceasefire on this to escalate tacks uh. And And so 571 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 5: clearly what he's doing is he's showing Trump that he 572 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 5: doesn't care, he doesn't care about these casual all that 573 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 5: are happening. In fact, he plans to punish the Ukrainian 574 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 5: military and the Ukrainian people more. And I just would 575 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 5: say the concerns about the United States being dragged further 576 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 5: into this should still very much be in play for everybody, 577 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 5: because now you're talking about giving Ukraine weapons that can 578 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 5: reach into Russia and hit Russian infrastructure. Because if you 579 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 5: don't do this, Russia is just gonna effectively overwhelm and 580 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 5: become so dominant in this conflict that then you're really 581 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 5: not going to be able to get them to stop. 582 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 5: But how does Russia escalate and what is the Russian 583 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,959 Speaker 5: response to this? And you talk about patriot missiles. This 584 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 5: is an advanced system that we're going to be operating 585 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 5: inside of Ukrainian territory. We're gonna, you know, where do 586 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 5: we stop this? So I'm just very aware of the 587 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 5: fact that we're concerned about mission creep in the Middle East. 588 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 5: We're concerned about mission creep and Ukraine, the mission's creeping 589 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 5: a little bit. 590 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 2: It's creeping a little bit. That's happening right now. 591 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: Isn't it super fair to say that there's almost no 592 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: discussion about this And it was a one hundred or 593 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: one thousand to one the debate about in terms of 594 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: coverage and contemplation and debate in terms of what we 595 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: should do with Iran associated with Israel, and now this 596 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: Ukraine Russia decision by large isn't getting any attention at all. 597 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: I just think that's very interesting. 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That's Ease for Everyone 622 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: dot com slash clay. 623 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 2: Two guys walk up to a mic. 624 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 9: Anything goes Clay Travis and Buck Sex to find them 625 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 9: on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. 626 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 2: Welcome back into Clay and Buck. 627 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 5: We'll get some talkbacks, some tall, some good things going 628 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 5: on here. Jimmy in Texas love Us used to run 629 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 5: Patriot missile batteries. Uh, Jimmy, you're the expert. Tell us 630 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 5: what's going on. 631 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 10: Yeah, So before I started just wanting to see him, 632 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 10: the big fan glad to tick over for a wrestling bosh. 633 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you sir, Yes. 634 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 10: Sir, I want to give a carpel medicine. Thank y'all 635 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 10: for it covers a all gotten Texans, So I appreciate that. 636 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 6: I'm gonna get short and quick patrio assistance. 637 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 10: Back when I was getting out to coast, what twenty 638 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 10: million a missile basically, Uh, but they're they were really long, 639 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 10: really thick. 640 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 7: Uh. 641 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,479 Speaker 10: Now they're short, they're small. Uh one launcher you used 642 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 10: to carry four. Now they carry about sixteen. And maybe 643 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 10: that's probably even more than what they have now. But 644 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 10: the technology is definitely upgraded. Back then, you know, the 645 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 10: point to explosion ratio was I think maybe about ten 646 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 10: to fifteen feet. I'm sure it's down even closer to that, 647 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 10: maybe by a foot when it comes to impact and 648 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 10: explosion on impact, so being able to take out a drone. 649 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 10: I don't think that they any of our allies any 650 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 10: if Ukraine got the upgraded systems or if they got 651 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 10: the older systems, but would not have any issues. But 652 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 10: I would not doubt that President Trump would not allow 653 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 10: that to happen when it comes to making sure that 654 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 10: Ukraine has a correct defense systems in question. 655 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 5: I mean, Jimmy, my understanding is that they're going to 656 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 5: try to use the Patriots Patriot missiles to shoot down 657 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 5: the more traditional missiles with a heavier payload that Russia 658 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 5: sends in. After they do this, they do this tactic 659 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 5: of drone swarming to throw off the counter you know, 660 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 5: the counter battery fire or the counter UAV fire, et cetera. 661 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 5: And they so they do a drawn a drone swarm 662 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 5: and then they send the missiles in. So I think 663 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 5: the Patriots are for those missiles and the drones. This 664 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 5: is a drone versus drone war. It's crazy already what 665 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 5: we're seeing going on here with with with thousands and 666 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 5: thousands of these things being deployed. 667 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 10: Well, it's very tactical, I mean, I wouldn't doubt that. 668 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 10: I would basically call it the SAM. 669 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 6: You know, the Sam's missiles is probably what russ Is 670 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 6: still has, is what they're still using when it comes 671 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 6: to fighting wars as well as their You, they have 672 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 6: an upgrade technology when it comes to their Russian planes. 673 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 10: But I if they give them the older systems yet, 674 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 10: then they may have a different area of being able 675 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 10: to explode when it when it come in contact or 676 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 10: whatever it close. But if they're going to be focusing 677 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 10: on those old I would say old schools SAMs that 678 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 10: rest are probably may still use, then yes, the Patriots, 679 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 10: the old Patriot systems are not going to be a 680 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 10: problem with I appreciate it going. 681 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 5: All right, Hey, thank you so much, and thank you 682 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 5: for your service. Thanks for being with us and shedding 683 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 5: some expertise on the situation. We appreciate you, sir, Thank you. 684 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 5: Corey says here Buck. Everyone knows how anti war President 685 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 5: Trump is. This is probably just a tactic for negotiation, 686 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 5: showing putin we will supply certain weapons to Ukraine, ultimately 687 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 5: making this negotiation tactic to get a ceasefire. I don't 688 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 5: think Trump wants that. Notch in his belt. He brought 689 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 5: America into new war piece through strength. I think that 690 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 5: is the argument that Trump would make, which is the 691 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 5: argument that we made on the show, that it's really 692 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 5: about showing Putin some consequences for not engaging in a ceasefire, 693 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 5: which frankly he may not feel right now. 694 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 2: The downside is buck. 695 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 5: Ah, he's not feeling the consequences, folks, He's going to 696 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 5: have to do something. Putin's winning this war and we're 697 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 5: looking like we can't do a damn thing to stop 698 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 5: it right now. And that's why, you know, so as 699 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,399 Speaker 5: a negotiating tactic, the negotiations have gotten us nothing so far. 700 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,879 Speaker 2: Now, look, I could be wrong. You want to bet 701 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 2: on a Corey. Corey. 702 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 5: If I'm right, and we send the Patriots and we 703 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,439 Speaker 5: send more stuff, you got to email In and say, wow, Buck, 704 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 5: you know something. Because the problem right now is Putin's 705 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 5: having his way with us while we have these negotiatings, 706 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 5: negotiations going on to Clay, I don't think the threat 707 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 5: of maybe doing something is going to get Putin to 708 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:20,280 Speaker 5: do anything. 709 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 2: I think that's the challenge. 710 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 1: And I think Trump is getting frustrated because he thought 711 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: that he could get this stopped, and so far he 712 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: has not been able to, and so he's figuring out, Hey, 713 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: what can I do? 714 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 2: How do I change the game plan here? 715 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,760 Speaker 5: I mean, trust me, Trump and these calls with Putin 716 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 5: is probably saying, look, buddy, you don't want to go 717 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 5: behind door number two, and Putin's saying, maybe I do.