1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 2: Welcome in. 4 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: It is the Tuesday edition of The Clay Travis and 5 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. I had a freeze there for a moment. 6 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Don't want to get the day wrong right off the top. 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: We appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We've 8 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: got a lot to dive into. Let me give you 9 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,159 Speaker 1: a little bit of a road Nimes. He's going to 10 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: join us at one o'clock eastern, two o'clock eastern. Our friend, 11 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: I think probably the best at analyzing all of this 12 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: crazy lawfair that is going on anywhere in media, Andy 13 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: McCarthy is going to join us. Former prosecutor in New York, 14 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: and that's where I think we have to start. We 15 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: got border shenanigans continuing on Capitol Hill, Senate, and the House. 16 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: What is going to happen? Joe Biden came out and 17 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: we need to talk about this a little bit because 18 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: I think he set himself its political trap, not surprisingly 19 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: saying he will veto any bill that gets to him 20 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: providing aid for Israel that doesn't include border security and 21 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: or money for Ukraine. I would tell you Republicans that 22 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: is a heck of a win and would further, I 23 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: think create division inside of the Democrat Party as it 24 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: pertains to which side are you on? Are you on 25 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: the side of the Palestinians or are you on the 26 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: side of the israelis a decision that is not very 27 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: difficult for Republicans right now, but we began, we've talked 28 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: about this. There's going to be monstrous amounts of conversation 29 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 1: surrounding the lawfair for Trump in the next nine months, 30 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: potentially beyond. It is probably the most signature element of 31 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four campaign so far, the attempt by 32 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: Democrats to put Donald Trump in prison for the rest 33 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: of his life. What exactly is the scope of presidential power, 34 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: of presidential immunity. That is what is being argued, among 35 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: many other things in our federal courts right now, and 36 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: this morning, the DC Court of Appeals, as we told you, 37 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: was likely to happen, rule that Trump did not have 38 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: immunity from the charges that were brought on January sixth 39 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: by Joe Biden's Department of Justice, with Jack Smith as 40 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: the prosecuting attorney. This set off absolute joyous cavalcades of 41 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: praise throughout the media. 42 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 3: We have a. 43 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: Montage of that breaking news. Will then contextualize for you 44 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: what it means and where we go from here. Again, 45 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: this was not a surprise, despite the fact the left 46 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: wing media reacted as if Trump were now being sent 47 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: to prison. 48 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 2: Listen, this is an NBC News special report. This is 49 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: a cervious news special report. Important topic. 50 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: So there is breaking news, breaking news, breaking news. 51 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 2: We have major breaking news. 52 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 4: We have major breaking news. Now I have to get 53 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 4: to And this comes from that DC Appeals Court that 54 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 4: had taken up this issue of presidential immunity. Former President 55 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 4: Trump does not enjoy presidential immunity. 56 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: Donald Trump is not immune. 57 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: Donald Trump can face trial on charges that he plotted 58 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 3: to overturn the results of the twenty twenty election. 59 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 5: It's the old adage, no man or woman is above 60 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 5: the law, No president is above the law. 61 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: Okay, So what this means, buck is I would expect 62 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 1: and they may have already announced that they're going to 63 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: do it. This is a three judge panel of the 64 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: DC Court of Appeals. The Trump would now have the 65 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: right to say I want to appeal to the full court. 66 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: There could be a determination made on that I would 67 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: expect that he would do that, and then the appeal 68 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: would go to the Supreme Court. I would expect that 69 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: there will be enough votes to take up this case 70 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: and that they would issue some sort. 71 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: Of ruling in June. 72 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: Alongside of another component of this case, which has to 73 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: do with two of the charges Jack Smith brought and 74 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: whether or not they are able to be brought. Also, 75 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: we still have Maine in Colorado trying to take him 76 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: off the ballot. Buck I see all this and it 77 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 1: reminds me of constitutional law when I was in law 78 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: school and you would take your exam and they would 79 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: just come up with all sorts of different hypotheticals that 80 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: no one had ever contemplated before, and you had to 81 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: decide what the court was likely to do. This just 82 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: feels like an exercise in crazy law theory courses being 83 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: applied in real time, and it may just end up 84 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: deciding who wins the presidency in twenty twenty four. So 85 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: that is my biggest takeaway. What was your reaction this 86 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: morning when you saw this? 87 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: We don't know. 88 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 5: Right there the celebration, I'm a big proponent of an 89 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 5: adage which I don't know if other people say this. 90 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 5: I've always just said don't celebrate early, because I think 91 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 5: it's particularly psychologically crushing, right, you know, it's the high 92 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 5: stepping into the end zone end zone play and getting 93 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 5: nailed at the five yard line like you know, you 94 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 5: didn't score a touchdown, Like, don't start, don't start celebrating 95 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 5: unless you're you're damn sure you're gonna win or you're gonna, 96 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 5: you know. 97 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: Get where you need to go. 98 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 5: The Appeals court decision for as we are going to 99 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 5: discuss the possibilities, it goes to the full on banc right. Interestingly, 100 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 5: yes French here, I so I feel like a Francophile 101 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 5: the Onen Bank hearing, which means all the judges I 102 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 5: think he'll think he'll lose again on that there was 103 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 5: actually a pretty decent center right kind of Appeals Court 104 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 5: judge in the mix on the three already that said, no, 105 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 5: you don't have total immunity. So with that in in 106 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 5: uh in play, I don't think that you're gonna see 107 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 5: this go a different way even if they go to 108 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 5: the en banc uh. And then beyond that you have 109 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 5: the Supreme Court. Are they going to do a expedited uh? 110 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 5: Are they gonna agree to hear it? And they're going 111 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 5: to agree to hear it in an expedited fashion. Right, 112 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 5: So this is multiple layers or multiple levels of the 113 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 5: decision tree that could still very much affect things. I 114 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 5: have to leave in my mind, Clay, the possibility that 115 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 5: the Democrats have not completely screwed this whole thing up 116 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 5: for themselves by waiting to charge and misunderstanding the process, 117 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 5: that the charges would kick off in such a way 118 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 5: that none of the trials happened before the election. And 119 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 5: I think the brag trial on its own, I don't 120 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 5: know if he wants to bring that case. I think 121 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 5: he may decide. You know, we got to wait on 122 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 5: this a little bit or back of the docket because 123 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 5: I'm not sure he could win that even in New York. 124 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: I'm not sure I should say maybe. 125 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 5: But even if he does win, I think people are 126 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 5: going to say that that's just a that's atrocious. I mean, 127 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 5: that whole thing is a joke. So there is a 128 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 5: chance here that they messed up everything. Got to keep 129 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 5: that in mind as the possibility. The other possibility is 130 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 5: that the timing of this sets the one trial that 131 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 5: could really be the game changer, right in the absolute 132 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 5: height of the election and they would just ignore the 133 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 5: DOJ guidance that they wouldn't do that because they've ignored 134 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 5: all the other guidance. So that's the question, right Because 135 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 5: I think now, and I've said this before, the earliest 136 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 5: that this trial could start is probably sometime in late 137 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,239 Speaker 5: July early August. That's how I would if you look, 138 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 5: the Supreme Court's going to have to issue multiple rulings. 139 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 5: I think the Supreme Court will hold at least one 140 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 5: of these cases until the final day that they release 141 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 5: opinions in June. It's probably going to take a month 142 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 5: at least to see a jury. You've got July fourth 143 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 5: all kind of rolling in there. 144 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: I think if I were setting it over under on 145 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: whin the Jack Smith case could start, it might well 146 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: be August. 147 00:07:58,680 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 2: It could start. 148 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: And this is even crazier, Buck, it could start during 149 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: the Republican National Convention. If you look at the actual calendar, 150 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: you could have a situation where Trump is sitting in 151 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: a court in Washington, d c. And flying to Milwaukee 152 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: to deliver his acceptance speech. The case is probably gonna 153 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: last two three months from the time they start it, 154 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: so it might end Buck in September, in October, I 155 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: just I look at it, and remember, he has to 156 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: be there in court every day. 157 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 2: The defendant has to be present. 158 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: I don't understand how anyone with a functional brain could 159 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: say this is anything other than a I mean, I mean, 160 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: legitimately a direct attack on democracy itself, even more than 161 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: usual if they have it during the fall in late summer. 162 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 5: I think that the way that this gets justified is 163 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 5: after the fact. If Trump is found guilty in that 164 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 5: J six trialing, else will matter in terms of the 165 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 5: process to the people who are sitting on the fans 166 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 5: wondering about it. Hold on a second, this feels dirty 167 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 5: to me. I think if they get a conviction, they 168 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 5: will say that this was a more important This was 169 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 5: more important to the process and to our sacred democracy 170 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 5: and YadA YadA, than anything about DOJ guidance and an 171 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 5: election interference that the people should know. So I think 172 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 5: that they have that baked in. I think if they're 173 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 5: able to get a conviction in that trial. But we 174 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 5: sit here and we have, like I said, Claid, there's 175 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 5: so many trap doors. There are so many different ways 176 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 5: that you can turn in the maze. Who knows right? 177 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 5: I mean, the Supreme Court could take a different approach 178 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 5: on this than we think they will. The timing of 179 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 5: it all, the timing almost matters. Well, no, the timing 180 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 5: matters more than the decisions in the sense that you 181 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 5: may not even get to decisions before the election happens. 182 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 5: So the timing matters a lot. Even if the timing 183 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 5: goes against Trump, the decisions will matter a lot. And 184 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 5: then the opinion of the electorate based on the possible 185 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 5: verdicts is not set in stone either. So the truth 186 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 5: is anyone who's telling you that they know, they don't know. 187 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 5: There's a lot that can go here in different directions. 188 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 5: And that's what like the celebration of this that you 189 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 5: saw on the. 190 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: Media, they just you know what they'll play. 191 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 5: How many of the people that are saying, oh my gosh, 192 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 5: it's great Trump doesn't have immunity. Do you think they 193 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 5: know any of these staffs. No, their staffs are going 194 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 5: to be informing them in the weeks ahead. They have 195 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 5: no idea. 196 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 2: They don't do their own homework. 197 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 6: No. 198 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: And I think the best pitch for the Republican Party 199 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: here to me is they're going to try to argue 200 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: buck this case has to happen before the election because 201 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: voters need to know all of the facts before they 202 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:44,719 Speaker 1: make a decision about who the president of the United 203 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: State should be. 204 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 2: That's an argument they're going to make. 205 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: My counter to that argument is, and I think this 206 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: is a pretty compelling argument. Do you want twelve jurors 207 00:10:54,920 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: sitting in a rigged courtroom jurisdiction of why DC making 208 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: a determination about whether Trump is or is not guilty? 209 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: Or do you want one hundred and fifty million voters 210 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: to be able to go to vote on whether they 211 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: think Trump deserves to still be president again, That, to 212 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: me is the case. If you're trying to argue, hey, 213 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: it's important everybody needs to know what Trump did on 214 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: January sixth because they need to factor that into their 215 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: decision making. Is there anybody who's not already factoring that 216 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: into their decision making? Is there anything that Jack Smith 217 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: is going to present I haven't seen anything so far 218 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 1: that's different than what has already been presented by the 219 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: January sixth Committee, by all of the media out there, 220 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: by all the Democrats and their partisan allies. 221 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: I don't think so. 222 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: And so, if I have a choice between, hey, I 223 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: want twelve people on a jury to try to determine 224 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: what whether or not Trump should suffer consequences for this 225 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: or one hundred and fifty million voters nationwide. The verdict 226 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: of one hundred and fifty million people is more reliable 227 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: to me than the verdict of twelve, especially with those 228 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: twelve people we know are likely to be ninety five 229 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: percent partisan Democrats. 230 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 5: Do you think that at some point during this election 231 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 5: cycle there's going to be a lot of talk about 232 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 5: Biden policy versus Trump policy. I feel like this is, Yeah, 233 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 5: this is just going to be all the legal stuff 234 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 5: and then a lot of invective from both sides about 235 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 5: the incompetence or the unfitness of the other individual from 236 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 5: the other team, and that's really it. I feel like 237 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 5: this will turn into it already is, but it'll just 238 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 5: be one big, continuous food fight. 239 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: I think the border may be a battle where that's 240 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: very beneficial, and there is a discrete difference in how 241 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: that would be handled. But to your point, we're getting 242 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: into a situation where I think the election is going 243 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: to come down to two factors. For most people, It's 244 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: going to be Biden's if he's the nominee. Biden's physical 245 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: and mental and will play some latest clips for you. 246 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: In competence, which seventy five percent of Americans believe, Versus 247 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: Trump's legal peril. For the independent voters out there, which 248 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: of those two issues is the most disqualifying when it 249 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: comes to kind of holding your nose and making a vote. 250 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the partisans on either side. 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Dial Pound 278 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 5: two five zero on your phone right now, say Clay 279 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 5: and Buck, and you'll save an additional fifty percent off 280 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 5: your first month with Puretalk. 281 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 2: Lines of Freedom and Truth. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Well, 282 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: welcome back to Clay and Buck. One variable. 283 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 5: We were just talking about all the legal variables out 284 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 5: there for this election. We're now in an election year, 285 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 5: so we're going to be talking about it a lot. 286 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 5: But one thing to keep in mind is and it 287 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 5: also goes into the no non known category. I guess right, 288 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 5: because we know the economy is going to matter. We 289 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 5: don't know what's going to happen with the economy. What 290 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 5: is the market going to look like, What is employment 291 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 5: going to look like? How is job creation going to 292 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 5: be going? As we get closer and closer, here is 293 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 5: the FED chair Jerome Powell, who is saying, by the way, 294 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 5: we're spending too much money, everybody play nineteen is. 295 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 6: The national debt of danger to the economy in your review, 296 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 6: In the long run, the US is on an unsustainable 297 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 6: fiscal path. The US federal governments on an unsustainable fiscal path, 298 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 6: and that just means that the debt is growing faster 299 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 6: than the economy. 300 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 5: I have the census worry Isshue very much. 301 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: Over the long run, of course it does. 302 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 6: You know, we're effectively we're borrowing from future generations. It's 303 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 6: time for us to get back to putting a priority 304 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 6: on fiscal sustainability, and sooner's better than later. 305 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 5: So Clay, you know, the rate the rate cuts look 306 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 5: like they're going to be held until later on in 307 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 5: the year. Here's what I think ends up happening. They 308 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 5: do everything they can to make the economy, you know, 309 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 5: I mean, they pull every lever they have. They do 310 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 5: everything they can to make the economy look as good 311 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 5: as they can, just around the time that people are 312 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 5: going to be determining who they vote for. 313 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: If I were Joe Biden's team, I would be demanding 314 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: a rate cut in March, and I would be demanding 315 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: a rate cut in May. I don't know if Biden's 316 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: even adroit enough, skilled enough with understanding basic economics to 317 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: go out and make that argument. Remember, to his credit, 318 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: I think Trump understood interest rates better than almost any 319 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: president we've ever had, because they're so integral to almost 320 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: every real estate deal that is put together. And Trump 321 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: would regularly say that the Fed was trying to put 322 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: the brake on his economic expansion, that they and I 323 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: think he was right. And I'm curious whether Biden is 324 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: going to be able to make that argument, because I 325 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: will say I think rates should start to come down 326 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: this spring. If they hold off in March and May 327 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: and don't do it, then that's going to be a 328 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: hard argument to make. I think they'll definitely come down 329 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: in the summer and into the fall, but they're not 330 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: going to come down that much. And if you still 331 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: have seven percent mortgage rates out there, it's hard to 332 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: argue to people. Things are getting a lot better. Did 333 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: you see that the median priced house. To be able 334 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: to afford it, you need one hundred and forty thousand 335 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: dollars household income right now. 336 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. 337 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 5: One hundred and forty grand. The average household income is 338 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 5: a little less than half that, I think, so that's 339 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 5: not a good place for the economy. 340 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: No, there are lots of places where it makes more 341 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: sense to rent, honestly than it does to buy anything, 342 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: which is not a good place to be either. Look, 343 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: you know what, everybody needs more inner in their life. 344 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: We know Joe Biden needs more energy in his life. 345 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: The whole Biden Whitehouse needs more energy. I mean they 346 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 1: hide him. They don't have him out doing any kind 347 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 1: of physical events. He doesn't have a lot of them, 348 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: bigger and vitality in his life. If you want more 349 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: energy in your own life, and I know I need it, 350 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: I got three kids that I'm chasing around. I got 351 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: a kid who came back last night. I had to 352 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: pick him up at two am at the airport, and 353 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: then I got to get up early in the morning 354 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: and everything else. 355 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 2: You're out there, maybe you want a little bit of 356 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 2: an extra vitality. How about Chalk. They'll hook you up 357 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 2: in a big way. 358 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: And right now through the end of February, Chalk's offering 359 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: a massive discount on any subscription for life. Not available 360 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 1: to everyone, but it's available to you if you go 361 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: to cchoq dot com use the code Clay to unlock it. 362 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: February only offer cchoq dot com go today, use my 363 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: name Clay as the code. Welcome back in Clay, Travis 364 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us, 365 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: the news on the DC Circuit, the rejudge panel. We've 366 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: been talking about that, the media montage of that news. Reminder, 367 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: we've got Dave McCormick running for the Senate from Pennsylvania. 368 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: Next hour, Third hour, Andy McCarthy will break down all 369 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: of the legal aspects. But I said earlier Buck, and 370 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if you subscribe to this, if you 371 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: try to boil it down to me, the race, presuming 372 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: it's Trump vi Biden, is going to come down to 373 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: what troubles you more. 374 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 2: Trump's legal peril. 375 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: And the issues associated with that, or Biden's mental and 376 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: physical deterioration. I'm not talking about traditional Republican and Democrat voters. 377 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: People have lined up and they have their own opinions there. 378 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the people in the middle that are persuadable. 379 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: And every time Biden speaks, it feels like now something 380 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: he either says or he falls, or he you know, 381 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: walks like a zombie and looks like someone who is 382 00:19:55,560 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: not well, even in the physical movements. Yeah, yesterday, I 383 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: believe this was staff. Correct me if I'm wrong, but 384 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: I believe this was yesterday. Joe Biden was trying to 385 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: tell a story about meeting with the leaders of the 386 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: G seven, and he talked specifically about talking with the 387 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: leader of France. Initially he said it was the leader 388 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: of Germany. He said that that was Francois Mitterrand Is 389 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: who he had the conversation with. This is yesterday, Initially. 390 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: I want you to listen because I understand a lot 391 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: of you out there. You're not like bucking me. You're 392 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: not necessarily experts on every leader of a foreign European nation. 393 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: But what I want you to understand is Mitterrand, who 394 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: he references first as the president of Germany, then the 395 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: President of France, actually died in nineteen ninety six. Nearly 396 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: thirty years ago. Listen to this and I right right 397 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: after I was elected, I went to what they call 398 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: a G seven meeting all the NATO theseus. 399 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 7: I was in South England and I sat down and 400 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 7: I said, Erica's back. And Naterran from Germany, I mean 401 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 7: from France, looked at me and said, I said, you know, why, why? 402 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: How long you're back for? Fuck? 403 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: Mitterran has been dead for twenty eight years. The leader 404 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: of France. I think a lot of you probably know 405 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: this is Amnuel Macrone because he's been there a long time. 406 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: Relatively young guy. I think he's been in office now 407 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: for like six years or so. Buck And even if 408 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: you didn't know that, it's a pretty big whiff to 409 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: get that wrong. Married his teacher who is thirty. 410 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 2: Years his senior. Super weird. Yeah, that's super weird. I agree. Yes, 411 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 2: very French, very French situation. That is fair to say. 412 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 5: I don't think that the French are kind of just like, 413 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 5: oh whatever, you know, loves love, and they didn't really 414 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 5: they didn't really think it's Macron pull that off. 415 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 2: In America. 416 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: So mcrone is the only man in a position of 417 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: power in the history of the world that I'm aware 418 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: of who has married someone twenty years older than him. 419 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 2: When he was in high school. 420 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: I know it's super it's super weird, but I'm saying, like, uh, usually, 421 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: if anything, men are ending up, especially men with power 422 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: and money, they end up with women younger than them. 423 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: McCrone is like the only global leader I can remember 424 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: to say nothing of the fact that he married his teacher, 425 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: which is so weird, but that he would marry somebody 426 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: twenty years older. 427 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 2: Now. 428 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: Fuck for the dementia front. It's one thing to people say, 429 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 1: well Trump. 430 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 7: Got it. 431 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 5: Shows him, It shows where this is with Biden. Okay, fine, Clay, 432 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 5: I've been saying this all along, and it's I don't 433 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 5: enjoy saying this, but I think that people just enough, 434 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 5: people don't care. I don't think that people care. I 435 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 5: think that they I wonder what it would take I 436 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 5: had said, I think on this show for the first time, 437 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 5: maybe it was now almost two years ago, that if 438 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 5: they have to, they will wheel Biden across the finish 439 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 5: line literally and figuratively, in a wheelchair with a blanket 440 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 5: over his knees and him drinking out of a sippy cup, 441 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 5: and they will be unself conscious as a party about 442 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 5: this as long as they can get it done. I 443 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 5: just wonder what it is. I mean, why is it 444 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 5: that people now we refer to these individuals as leaders, 445 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 5: and a fundamental portion of that should be well wisdom 446 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 5: and judgment, wisdom and decision making. And I don't think 447 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 5: that Joe Biden is actually one of my brothers born 448 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 5: of this out just a few days ago. 449 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 2: We're talking because you. 450 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 5: Always say he couldn't do any job at OutKick, which 451 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 5: is obviously true. 452 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 2: But it's as though. 453 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 5: Joe Biden, the only job in existence in America where 454 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 5: he does get paid right, makes like four hundred grand 455 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 5: a year. The only job in America that Joe Biden 456 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 5: could do and is apparently qualified for, is President of 457 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:58,479 Speaker 5: the United States. 458 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 2: There is no other job. 459 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 5: Not preschool teacher, not fireman, not accountant, not ice cream scooper, 460 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 5: no other job in America that he would be qualified 461 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 5: to do except for be the leader of the free world. 462 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 5: That's the situation we're in right now. 463 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 2: And it's a little weird, Clay. It's it just keeps 464 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 2: getting worse. 465 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: Whenever I say that, people, by the way will fire back, 466 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: and they'll say in a funny way, and I think 467 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: maybe this They say he could be a Walmart greeterer. 468 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: Basically Joe Biden could be a Walmart greet or. Democrats 469 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: would argue the president of the United States, And the 470 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: analogy is not just out king. Joe Biden couldn't do 471 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: a job at our radio show. He couldn't do a 472 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: job at a gas station, don't. 473 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 5: I don't believe he could be a Walmart g reader. 474 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 5: Has to be able to stand on their feet for 475 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 5: a long time. Maybe I think those people are given 476 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 5: way too much credit to Joe Biden and not understanding 477 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 5: the rigors of the Walmart greeting situation. 478 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: I mean, if that's true, and now that you say it, 479 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: I don't what's the longest period of time that we 480 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: see Joe Biden actually stand I I don't know that 481 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: he could stand in the front of a Walmart for 482 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: like three hours and say hi to anyone. 483 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 2: That's a great point. 484 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: I don't know how long those jobs exist, but that 485 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: is I'm not sure that he's capable of doing that. 486 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: And this is why buck he's not doing. Did you 487 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: see this story the super Bowl interview? He usually historically 488 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: the president as a part of the pregame, they have 489 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: like nine hours of interviews and you know, stories and 490 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: a lot of you will sit down, you'll be eating 491 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: your Buffalo wings, you'll be having your pizza and everything else, 492 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: and you'll be getting ready for the game, and I 493 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: don't know, three hours before kickoff, couple hours for the kickoff, 494 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: President sits down and does a relatively light interview with 495 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: whatever network is putting on the Super Bowl. Last year, 496 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: Biden declined the invite from Fox, and some people said, well, 497 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: maybe that's because of the Fox News connection. This year 498 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 1: he said no to CBS. Now, Trump, to his credit, 499 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: came out and said, I'll do the interview. I'll sit 500 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: and talk to anybody. It'll be the highest rate of ever. 501 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm paraphrase, but that's basically what you. 502 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 2: Would be a very highly rated interview. 503 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 5: The fact that CNN won't do it is really an 504 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 5: extension of their town hall, which we would call cost 505 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 5: the CBS. 506 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, oh you said PDS. I'm sorry. 507 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: I thought CBS has got the super Bowl one. Oh CBS, 508 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: I thought I heard CNN. 509 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 3: My bad. 510 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: But same idea, same principle applies. Yes, no, you're right, 511 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: and but this is to me. The easiest interview that 512 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: you can get for one of the largest audiences. Tens 513 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: of millions of people would see it. You get to 514 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: pick who's going to win the Super Bowl. It's very 515 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: very airy, right, We're not talking about a detailed analysis 516 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: of any sort of substantial issue on the horizon. 517 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 5: Bill O'Reilly do it with Barack Obama a long time. Yeah, 518 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 5: that did happen, right, So there's a president. Think about that. 519 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 5: Bill O'Reilly and Barack Obama sat down. Barack Obama was 520 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 5: willing to do that interview. Say what you will about Obama, 521 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 5: but he did do the interview. Yes, the fact that 522 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 5: Joe Biden isn't doing this, even with friendly media, it. 523 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: Just goes to show you. We've talked about this a lot. 524 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 5: I think that they're they're just hoping to prevent an 525 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 5: all out moment of recognition of scrambled eggs with Joe bias, 526 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 5: where he just starts blathering nonsense, which can happen to 527 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 5: people as they reached that age obviously if they start 528 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 5: to have dementia and things are not functioning in their 529 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 5: you know, cerebral cortex the way they're supposed to. So 530 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 5: I think they're just their their view of a clay 531 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 5: is they need to avoid that at all costs, and 532 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 5: so that means everything's going to be superscripted, very short, 533 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 5: very tight, and stage managed. 534 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: I was super young when it happened, but my grandfather 535 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: had Alzheimer's, I said yesterday. I was named after my 536 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: two grandfathers, my dad's dad. And what I remember about 537 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: it Buck is he could really remember things very well, 538 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: sometimes from when he was five or six years old, 539 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: and tell you a very detailed story, but then might 540 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: think that I was his son as opposed to his grandson, 541 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: or sometimes not even know necessarily who he was talking to. 542 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: That's very common. And when I hear Joe Biden talk now, 543 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: the fact that he would remember Francois mitterand and think 544 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 1: that he was having a conversation with him. I don't 545 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: think this is just an example of getting a name confused. 546 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: I think this is the same way he tried to 547 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: talk to that dead congresswoman Jackie from I don't remember 548 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: her last name, apologies, but from Indiana. 549 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 2: Where's Jackie? He said? 550 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: And they had put out a condolence statement to Jackie, 551 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: and he's asking for where she is. We also played 552 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: you recently, he went to North Carolina and said he 553 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: had just gotten his picture taken with the congresswoman who 554 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: represented the district where he was appearing, and she was 555 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: not there and had never been present on that day. 556 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: He's telling stories about things that never happened, and getting 557 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: names and images of all conflating. 558 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 5: And yet you and I could sit here and surmise 559 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 5: clay an advent. If Joe Biden was at a point 560 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 5: where he was sputtering and and kind of drooling on 561 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 5: himself and having some of those physiological realities of you know, 562 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 5: dementia and advanced age, don't you think the ladies of 563 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 5: the view would say they still you know, he can 564 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 5: still say yes or no, He's still better than Trump 565 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 5: because of what he represents, right, I mean there's I 566 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 5: think that there's no as long as Joe Biden, and 567 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 5: I mean this, as long as Joe Biden has a heartbeat, 568 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 5: as long as he is an individual who is alive 569 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 5: and in some way they can present him to the public, 570 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 5: no matter how enfeebled they will, they will make the 571 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 5: case that he is better than Donald Trump, and they 572 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 5: will do so mendaciously. They just don't care. 573 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: Gets you voke I still think they're going to find 574 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: a way to move on from him. But if they 575 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: run the weekend at Bernie's two campaign, the President's already 576 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: out there. Fetterman won by five in Pennsylvania. I mean 577 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: he did so if they were willing to vote for Fetterman, 578 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: who now seems like he's finally got some mental faculties back, 579 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: Biden's not going to get back. 580 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 2: We see. 581 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 5: This is why these these polls about and what do 582 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 5: you all think about? I was I kind of did 583 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 5: it all there by all you're now at Floridian. Sorry, 584 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 5: I don't know what we say in Florida. There's apparently 585 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 5: a Miami English that is now considered a new dialect 586 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 5: that was just written up I think the Wall Street 587 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 5: Journal recently, and I'm familiar with the words. But anyway, 588 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 5: I will not do an impression of it on the radio, 589 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 5: but I could, But uh, what do you what do 590 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 5: you all think about this? Eight hundred two A two 591 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 5: two a A two And also, uh, yeah, we're gonna 592 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 5: we're gonna dive into it a little bit. But I 593 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 5: think that, oh the polling Clay, this is my frustration. 594 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 5: All the polling says everyone thinks Joe Biden's too old 595 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 5: for the job. Yeah, but they should always ask even 596 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 5: if you think he's too old for the job, you're 597 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 5: gonna vote for him. There's a lot of people the 598 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 5: answer is yes. You know, they know he's too old, 599 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 5: but they don't care. Still going to vote for him. 600 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:55,239 Speaker 3: All right. 601 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 5: Look, let's talk about something that is a smart thing 602 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 5: for you to do. Owning is safe and having it 603 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 5: in your home. 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We've also got Dave McCormick, who 631 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 5: is a former army guy, ran a huge hedge fund 632 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 5: billionaire running for Senate. You know, it's got one of 633 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 5: those resumes. You're like, my god, how do you do 634 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 5: all that stuff? Yeah, So we'll talk to him about 635 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 5: some important things going on in the country, and then 636 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 5: Andy McCarthy third hour, going through the latest on the 637 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 5: legal challenges to Trump. But let's take some of your calls, 638 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 5: as we said we would, John in San Diego, what 639 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 5: have you got for us? 640 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 3: Okay, wondering how this is going to work out with 641 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 3: the January sixth trial for Trump. Here's how the law works. 642 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 3: When you're president, you get impeached, that's the accusation by 643 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 3: the House. Then it goes to trial. That's the Senate, 644 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 3: because the Senate is the jury of your peers. When 645 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 3: you're president. He was acquitted, he had his trial, it's done. 646 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 3: Anything beyond that now is double jeopardy, which is unconstitutional 647 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 3: by the Fifth Amendment. And that's how the Supreme Court 648 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 3: is going to rule. 649 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 2: I appreciate the call. I disagree with that. I disagree 650 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 2: with that. 651 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: Take you can flag it, but I would love for 652 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: that to be the way that the Supreme Court would rule. 653 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: If they did, then that would mean that all the 654 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: Jack Smith prosecutions of Trump would be disallowed. I don't 655 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: believe that that's the pathway that they're going to take. 656 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: You know, at some point you have to wonder, Okay, well, 657 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: what does what does the law say about an actual insurrection? 658 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 3: Right? 659 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 5: You have to actually compare this to the word the 660 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 5: real worst case scenario, not people rioting and taking self 661 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 5: fees and some of them punching cops. But an actual 662 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,719 Speaker 5: you know what would happen if you had a future 663 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 5: does take the names out of us, a future president 664 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 5: who lost and said, Okay, I am seizing Congress using 665 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 5: the United States military. I'm ordering them. You know what 666 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 5: they do in other countries when there's a real coup 667 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 5: or real insurrection, use the force of the state and 668 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 5: the guns and the military, the guns that they have 669 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 5: in the military power to say I'm actually in charge 670 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 5: now and no one else can take this from me. 671 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 5: And then let's say that person is you know, grabbed 672 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 5: by the you know, by the FBI or whatever. I 673 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 5: don't even know how this plays out, and then is 674 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 5: facing criminal charges from the government and from Congress. I 675 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 5: don't think he'd be able to say I have total immunity. Well, 676 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 5: I did it while I'm president, and by the way, 677 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 5: that would fly. 678 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,720 Speaker 1: John's argument is about the impeachment trial, which is interesting, 679 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: But an impeachment trial only removes someone from office, it 680 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: doesn't put someone in prison. So trying to argue and 681 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: I don't think the Supreme Court is going to go 682 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: down this path that now, if you want to argue 683 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: that it is a political. 684 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 5: I like our caller, he's wrong because you can have 685 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 5: a state charge for the same act and then a 686 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 5: federal charge for the same act and it's not considered 687 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 5: double jeopardy right now. So if you can be charged 688 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 5: under state law and under federal law for the exact 689 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 5: same thing, which happens all the time, all across the country, 690 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 5: you're not going to say, oh, well, there was a 691 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 5: trial by Congress, therefore there can't be federal criminal charges. 692 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 2: That's not that's not going to work. Jessica in San 693 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 2: Antonio fire away going we're great. 694 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: I think I think you're asked how we were doing. 695 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:39,959 Speaker 1: We're doing great. What you got for us? 696 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,280 Speaker 8: Good? Okay? So I you know, I watched that speech 697 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 8: that Joe Biden gave it right when I walked out 698 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 8: of the house today, and it's terrifying to know. I mean, 699 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 8: me and my husband just stare and shock at the 700 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 8: screen and this man. I mean, we should be doing 701 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 8: a lot better in the polls against him, and I 702 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 8: think you know, Trump has a lot against him. You 703 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 8: talk about bringing in those voters who are maybe looking 704 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 8: for something different, you know, and I think that you 705 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 8: know I'm going to vote for Trump. It's going to 706 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 8: be my first time ever voting for a Republican. But okay, 707 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 8: I think his VP pick is going to make a 708 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 8: big difference. I've talked to you guys about this before. 709 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 8: I think Huckabee standards, which I hear a lot of 710 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 8: your you know, the people coming on talking about she 711 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 8: might be a positive choice for him. I disagree. Women 712 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 8: don't vote for women just because they're women. Women. 713 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 2: Who would you pick? Who is the best VP? In 714 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,959 Speaker 2: your mind? Jessica Trump could pick the best. 715 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 8: In my mind's personally to be RFK Junior. They could 716 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 8: run on a unity ticket. How beautiful would like Trump? Kennedy? 717 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 5: Look, you know, Sam, I also like this caller. But 718 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 5: what she's saying is not going to happen in a 719 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,359 Speaker 5: million years. But I appreciate the call very much. I'm 720 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 5: glad that Jessica is on the right team. Coming up 721 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 5: in twenty four, we'll talk more about VP and more 722 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:49,280 Speaker 5: next