Speaker 1: Look mare, oh, I see you my own mind. Look
Speaker 1: over there is that culture.
Speaker 2: Yes, goodness, Lost.
Speaker 1: Culture ding dong. Lost culture is calling. We're off to
Speaker 1: the races here today we eat some pret British culture.
Speaker 1: British culture. More to com I will say, I'm a
Speaker 1: little upset about how much almond milk is in this.
Speaker 2: Okay, if the cameras are picking this up listeners at home,
Speaker 2: we can't see this. This is Duncan Donuts level chicanery.
Speaker 2: It's pure. It's milk with a little bit of ice coffee.
Speaker 1: I was going to use the word chicanery too for
Speaker 1: the record, And I just want to say I wouldn't
Speaker 1: even want to walk down the street and people think
Speaker 1: that I have to coffee like this. Like if this
Speaker 1: is just more almond milk than anything, I can I
Speaker 1: get an amen up.
Speaker 2: And here, in the words of RuPaul.
Speaker 1: This is just that.
Speaker 2: There's also like a weird, pallid color to it. It
Speaker 2: doesn't have what I would call a healthy looking color.
Speaker 2: And you guys all feel me out there. You want coffee,
Speaker 2: not milk, Thank you, Becca. It looks like chocolate milk.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, next quick Rabbit, random month, lest
Speaker 2: I checked. I wasn't eight years old in my basement
Speaker 2: where I would drink Chopol milk on the regular. What's
Speaker 2: your merch story, Matt, just with like an artist that
Speaker 2: you love. My merch story.
Speaker 1: I'm wearing merch, Yeah, scaring merchant. But Bowen is in
Speaker 1: Charlie Merchant. By the way, it's very cute merch, which
Speaker 1: I say is a comment to you the wearer and
Speaker 1: you the seller. My merch story is I'm also currently
Speaker 1: wearing merch for driving. This is Focus Features. Send us
Speaker 1: this merch and I said, that's cute and I will
Speaker 1: wear it on the thing. I didn't know they were
Speaker 1: going to do this. They said it to us, And
Speaker 1: after seeing the movie Challengers, I thought threesome cultures sort
Speaker 1: of in I do think that the threesome of MMF
Speaker 1: of MMF threesome.
Speaker 2: And so I'm just sort of encouraging that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here on the podcast, I hope you received who
Speaker 1: knows what happens today during the episode, I don't think
Speaker 1: it will be an MMF threesome, but.
Speaker 2: We've got MMF here.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I would you say that like if between between let's
Speaker 2: say like MMF two dicks one vas, let's just go
Speaker 2: in with that parameter. Yeah, I might get so like
Speaker 2: Dick confused that I'm like, yeah, of course there's a
Speaker 2: vagina in the mix.
Speaker 1: Listen all I know, it's not shocked. You can't think
Speaker 1: about it too hard. I think when it comes to
Speaker 1: three simes, you have to just take it moment by moment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've had two in my life. Uh huh, and getting
Speaker 1: out of my way was important.
Speaker 2: No, I've had three.
Speaker 1: So the first one I was very in my own
Speaker 1: way the entire time, and I was like, I am
Speaker 1: doing this with more than one person, and.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit of a brain teaser. And then
Speaker 2: the second you just let that go and you have
Speaker 2: a wonderful time. You know what happened to me the
Speaker 2: first time? What I was facing forward, facing someone great,
Speaker 2: true North, and it was true and then jump scare
Speaker 2: behind me, literally like oh, like I want someone to
Speaker 2: stick it in. They didn't stick it in. They just
Speaker 2: kind of kind of nestled behind me, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I forgot.
Speaker 1: The crazy thing is when you're facing true North and
Speaker 1: sort of giving that a one where you're a giving partner,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you feel the third
Speaker 1: kind of really come through the back and you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm not in that zone right now.
Speaker 2: I need to know.
Speaker 1: So let's just all communicate and take a moment by
Speaker 1: moment everyone, And that's sort of our creative challengers.
Speaker 2: If you want a little educational video. But again, you
Speaker 2: never see any three sex challengers. You don't see any
Speaker 2: penetration anyway.
Speaker 1: What's penetrated me is the new album.
Speaker 2: It's a really penetrative album.
Speaker 1: Emotionally penetrative, obviously sonically and physically penetrative in the best way,
Speaker 1: in a way that I invite.
Speaker 2: And I'm open wide for angels. If you're listening, this
Speaker 2: might be offensive to the guests if you mourn XDX
Speaker 2: world the way that some of us out here do.
Speaker 2: This album is gonna give you everything you want and more.
Speaker 2: You're about to party about We're about to party, but
Speaker 2: you're also about to feel. And this is what I
Speaker 2: love about our guest and like it's just so sort
Speaker 2: of singular and iconic. Is like what I love is like,
Speaker 2: you know, like emotional pop music, and you always get
Speaker 2: our our guests perspective of her POV. It's always interesting
Speaker 2: and specific no matter what it is. I was telling Bowen,
Speaker 2: like when we were just at Prada Mange. But we
Speaker 2: have all of our good conversations. I'm a huge fan
Speaker 2: of our guest ballads. You're a ballad like.
Speaker 1: I'm a ballad girl, and like you give that And
Speaker 1: I'm just so excited. The new album, Bratt is coming
Speaker 1: out June seventh and seventh. She's doing the Brat Tour
Speaker 1: and then she's going to the Sweat Tour with the
Speaker 1: Choice and yeah, so she's doing Brat, Sweat, Brat. Why
Speaker 1: are you laughing?
Speaker 3: It's just so funny that I'm just sign you're I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 2: Don't two three tries?
Speaker 4: Yes, that was so fun to you guys gab away.
Speaker 1: The same thing about what you gab and saying about
Speaker 1: on your records. We're having fun too, Oh good. You
Speaker 1: are the most fun. You do truly intrinsically understand how
Speaker 1: to make us have fun.
Speaker 4: That's so nice.
Speaker 2: We're having fun on the way. You've get a big day,
Speaker 2: big day recording this. We're gonna release it closer to
Speaker 2: the album release. But you're going on SETH with Troy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then watch it happens life also with Troy. Are
Speaker 2: you on with a housewife.
Speaker 1: Do you know.
Speaker 4: No, I'm so sad about that you're just on solo. No,
Speaker 4: it's another man.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you who it is exactly, and I
Speaker 1: love that we will find out later who it is.
Speaker 2: When the episode I'll be like, oh, that's true, and I'll.
Speaker 4: Be like it's I love.
Speaker 1: Vineyards, I love exactly.
Speaker 4: No, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think his name is Joe Joe, And honestly, he's
Speaker 5: gonna ask you to be I'm going to really burn
Speaker 5: it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were talking here about last time you were
Speaker 2: you were on you were not as versed in the
Speaker 2: Bravo verse, and now you are all in one exactly so,
Speaker 2: and you asked us a really important question, which would
Speaker 2: you want to ask us again? Yeah?
Speaker 3: My question for you both is are you pro Monica
Speaker 3: or the Auntie Monica I'm tie.
Speaker 2: Sorry, no, no, no, that's okay. We and the way
Speaker 2: we answered was Auntie Monica, Auntie, We're Auntie Monica. We
Speaker 2: we were don't make fun of our guests, no, I say,
Speaker 2: I say Auntie as well. We were, so what my
Speaker 2: answer was in the beginning when it all went down,
Speaker 2: we were very anti we were like, get her off
Speaker 2: like like none of the women want to film with her,
Speaker 2: like she is not allowed anywhere near them. And then
Speaker 2: now that they announced that she is no longer there,
Speaker 2: we're like, oh, it's gonna miss something.
Speaker 4: The travesty.
Speaker 1: My thing is like I just want to watch a
Speaker 1: show where everyone speaks to each other, because it gets
Speaker 1: boring when you have a cast that's like, I'm not
Speaker 1: talking to her. You'll see when like once you branch
Speaker 1: out to other franchises, it's like when a cast is
Speaker 1: like not operating as a group, it's bad. And they
Speaker 1: were also scorched earth with Monica at the end, like
Speaker 1: unwilling to speak to her. Can you give thoughts on
Speaker 1: Mary Cosby from your Charlie perspective?
Speaker 2: I mean, this woman is just She's on the album,
Speaker 2: she's gonna be on.
Speaker 4: The full remix record.
Speaker 2: Is just her.
Speaker 3: She is. I mean, I don't even know where you begin.
Speaker 3: It's like I love her and I hate her.
Speaker 2: Do you love her in your hare? No, that's totally fair.
Speaker 3: My friend saw her at Sounds her tower, oh wow,
Speaker 3: and apparently she was really rude to her. She was
Speaker 3: like my friend was like, oh can I sit here
Speaker 3: at the bar, and she was like no, and then
Speaker 3: my friend was like, do you have someone coming? And
Speaker 3: she was like yeah, and then obviously no one came
Speaker 3: and it was just for her bag.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And then at the same time, I'm like, that's married
Speaker 3: legend in bread comment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, and then she called your
Speaker 2: friend in brad yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: But the inbred comment followed up with Heather asking her
Speaker 3: did you really call me inbred? And she goes, I did, yeah,
Speaker 3: you dumb bitch, I did I do?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 1: And then when they like went through it at the
Speaker 1: reunion to it was so bizarre because there was kind
Speaker 1: of just like threw up her hands and was like, listen,
Speaker 1: I respect that she said it.
Speaker 2: She speaks her truth.
Speaker 1: It's like, can't you please sist? Do we all agree?
Speaker 2: Though they talked to her like she's five years old,
Speaker 2: either she's a mental patient, which she might be, and
Speaker 2: like she's a fy're afraid of her.
Speaker 4: They're afraid. I mean she gets a lot of free passes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, because.
Speaker 2: Well that was funny.
Speaker 1: When she was on Wadro Thatppans Live, like, they asked
Speaker 1: her a question like why'd you come back and she
Speaker 1: fully just goes to help you guys out. I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: because you want to know why there's like not a
Speaker 1: thirsty bone in her body or like a bothered bone nobody,
Speaker 1: because you can tell she doesn't really get it right.
Speaker 1: So she's just like gonna show up and say whatever
Speaker 1: the fuck it is. The rumor is now that she
Speaker 1: called Lisa Barlow's youngest son the R word. That is
Speaker 1: the rumor that's happening for next season.
Speaker 2: Thoughts on that, I.
Speaker 3: See, I see, I see, I can imagine it happening.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I imagine it happening.
Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by her wardrobe, yes, and the choices.
Speaker 2: And the choices, many colors, many.
Speaker 3: It's actually got dressed in the dark five times in
Speaker 3: a run, and then she just went out with all
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: And isn't it funny that she's like the fashion she's
Speaker 1: the fashion guy.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 3: The thing is, she's gonna come for us. So are
Speaker 3: you ready? Like she hears this, She's coming for us.
Speaker 2: I wandered she cares. I don't think she cares what
Speaker 2: we think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe maybe.
Speaker 2: Feud for you though, Mary m Cosby.
Speaker 1: That's that's why no one would ever.
Speaker 4: See it would be so good. It would be so good.
Speaker 4: I'm pro Monica.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 4: I just want to pivot back to that.
Speaker 2: I'm pro Monica and you said to us, you know,
Speaker 2: what she did wasn't really that bad, and we agree
Speaker 2: that it would be like if Troy ran a patrol
Speaker 2: account for like an anti Charlie Troy, like, everyone leave
Speaker 2: after my set.
Speaker 3: But but was she Okay, here's the thing. I'm pretty
Speaker 3: like Flag in the Sand on like, I'm Promnica, but
Speaker 3: I haven't actually done much research into reality vontee, so
Speaker 3: I'm basing that on nothing. But I've heard from friends
Speaker 3: who I trust dearly that she wasn't really like talking
Speaker 3: shit about the women.
Speaker 2: So she was it was really more of a and.
Speaker 3: Obviously that was her narrative on the show, which I
Speaker 3: was a little bit like, but you know, God love her.
Speaker 3: But I was like, surely she's using that a little bit.
Speaker 3: But my reliable friends say that that was the case,
Speaker 3: that she wasn't really talking about the women.
Speaker 2: I believe you're reliable friends.
Speaker 3: So then I'm just like, also, I'm like, guys, you're
Speaker 3: on Housewife.
Speaker 2: I know what it was?
Speaker 1: She black, She ran out of steam when it came
Speaker 1: to defending herself and explo like I felt like she
Speaker 1: sort of like threw up the white flag as it were.
Speaker 1: When it was go time, it was like, okay, this
Speaker 1: is the reunion, explain what it was and what exonerates
Speaker 1: you about this, and it felt like she kind of
Speaker 1: just took it because she got confused and started to
Speaker 1: lean into the villain narrative, right, thinking that's what people
Speaker 1: would want, when it was like, no, what you want
Speaker 1: is to stay on the show and they won't film.
Speaker 2: With you unless you can explain you get them on board.
Speaker 2: And then I think she was like gearing up to
Speaker 2: bring out that burn book prop like she was like
Speaker 2: prop was rough and a half.
Speaker 4: The bum book didn't mean that all went a bit
Speaker 4: a ride.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, you got you gotta Mean Girls track on
Speaker 2: your album.
Speaker 1: I love this song thank you because it really is
Speaker 1: for that girl thank you, and for days that are
Speaker 1: trying to be that girl that day. Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know what's interesting about that song is I'm going
Speaker 3: to tell you off to have mom non't okay?
Speaker 4: Excellent.
Speaker 3: So the thing is about the Mean Girl's song on
Speaker 3: my album is that it's kind of like.
Speaker 2: A fascination with women like that in the culture.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh you know what, I was actually totally in
Speaker 3: my brain talking about a different song.
Speaker 4: No, I know, I remember talking about mean girls. Yep.
Speaker 3: Sorry, No, that really is just about like being a
Speaker 3: bit yeah, which we love.
Speaker 1: What song were you thinking of?
Speaker 4: Sorry?
Speaker 3: I was thinking, sorry, I was thinking about where we
Speaker 3: feel so confusing.
Speaker 1: Questions about this and okay, you don't wonder.
Speaker 2: I think you've already and look, we're not entitled to
Speaker 2: any information. Okay, who's just about No, I, Miriam Cosby.
Speaker 4: Totally no, you know, I haven't. This is early, like.
Speaker 3: This is the first time I've spoken about the song.
Speaker 3: You guys are the first people to ask me. So
Speaker 3: I haven't quite decided whether I'm revealing. When I wrote it,
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm revealing, But now you know, now
Speaker 3: the time is here, I'm like, do you think I
Speaker 3: should reveal?
Speaker 4: I think not for your benefits, just in general.
Speaker 1: I think that whatever it is going to I feel
Speaker 1: like at some point, yeah, in thirty years, My thing.
Speaker 4: Is people are going to guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I probably both have an accurate guess, and I'm not
Speaker 3: going to ask you to say it out loud because
Speaker 3: you'll tell why my face. Yeah, yeah, but after that person, Yeah,
Speaker 3: well you know what hate Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like say it with your eyes.
Speaker 1: I think it's yeah, okay, okay, now I think I have.
Speaker 3: So the thing is, it's like I think we live
Speaker 3: in this like world of pop music right now, where
Speaker 3: like women are like I support.
Speaker 4: Other women, I love women.
Speaker 3: I'm a feminist and that's great, like love that, But
Speaker 3: there's artifice to its, absolutely absolutely, And I don't think
Speaker 3: that you become a bad feminist if you maybe don't
Speaker 3: see eye to eye with everything. That's just like not
Speaker 3: the nature of human beings. You know, there is a
Speaker 3: competitiveness between us. There is envy, there is camaraderie, there
Speaker 3: is you know, all of these different like dynamics, and
Speaker 3: I mean I feel that working in entertainment, there is
Speaker 3: this kind of dance that we all do with each other,
Speaker 3: whether you're in music.
Speaker 4: Whether in your you're in your world, Like.
Speaker 3: No matter how you identify, there is this dance that
Speaker 3: everybody's everybody's watching each other.
Speaker 4: Everybody's like posing in the picture, like hey this is
Speaker 4: he and my collaborator and good friends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then you're also like I want what they have,
Speaker 3: and then the next day you're like they suck I
Speaker 3: killed it today, and this happens, but no one really
Speaker 3: is like willing to discuss it. But we've we all
Speaker 3: probably have our person, yes, or maybe a few different people,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure we are that person for other people.
Speaker 3: And I just find that there is this like strange,
Speaker 3: like unspoken thing that often happens, particularly with women, because
Speaker 3: there is such a narrative of pitting women against each
Speaker 3: other within music, and sometimes that's not totally like fabricated.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Sometimes there is like what's the phrase smoke where the
Speaker 3: smoke far Like I do feel like that sometimes does happen,
Speaker 3: And sometimes.
Speaker 4: It's like I don't know, everybody's just doing this little like.
Speaker 2: Square Darnce totally well, like this idea of like, oh,
Speaker 2: women are pitted against each other. That shouldn't make you
Speaker 2: feel any worse or more complicated about the fact that,
Speaker 2: like it happens. It's not Why is it this red
Speaker 2: line all of a sudden you're not supposed to get
Speaker 2: into any other conflict with any other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's unrealistic. It's unrealistic.
Speaker 1: And you're not saying fuck her, You're saying it's confusing.
Speaker 1: When I feel like we got a lot of people
Speaker 1: saying that we do great stuff together. It feels like
Speaker 1: the vibe is good, and then I'm confused. It's like,
Speaker 1: am I okay with who the art audience might fill
Speaker 1: in this spot? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well that's the other thing about it.
Speaker 3: It's like, for me, this is like my favorite part
Speaker 3: of the high artness of music and the low artness
Speaker 3: of like pop star.
Speaker 4: Like I like the marriage of the two, and I
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 3: Maybe people were getting it wrong, but they're like having
Speaker 3: fun playing the game because I think that that brings
Speaker 3: like kind of this three dimensional world two songs.
Speaker 4: You know, outside of just like the song's really good.
Speaker 3: It's like it's nice to plant like theories and ideas
Speaker 3: and let people like live their kind of Paris Lindsay
Speaker 3: fantasy with it.
Speaker 4: So it's fun.
Speaker 3: But I also think it does this thing of like
Speaker 3: with the whole record, I'm kind of like doing that
Speaker 3: in ways. It's like holding a mirror to this kind
Speaker 3: of culture that we're in right now, where everybody is
Speaker 3: really I feel like everybody is like their moral compass
Speaker 3: has to be so in check all the time, right,
Speaker 3: But it's like sometimes it's just like fun of it's
Speaker 3: not and everybody the listeners, like your moral compass isn't
Speaker 3: always like bang on.
Speaker 4: Like everybody's a little fucked. Everybody's like little like shady.
Speaker 3: Everybody has like thoughts of all these different things, Like
Speaker 3: everyone's kind of a bitch sometimes and that's okay, Like
Speaker 3: it doesn't make you a bad person.
Speaker 4: It makes you a flawed human being person.
Speaker 1: And we want artists to put that into work too,
Speaker 1: because like I mean, I can't stand the morality thing
Speaker 1: as it applies, Like.
Speaker 2: But when did pop stars and let's just include in
Speaker 2: lump in like actors and shit, like when did they
Speaker 2: become like moral haragons because like actually from my mom,
Speaker 2: like in the seventies, there would be signs up that
Speaker 2: said no actors. It's like we were like like we
Speaker 2: like they were like the rowdy, fucking, like chaotic people
Speaker 2: and that's what everyone understood them to be. And it's
Speaker 2: like these are not good people. Keep them out, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? And like maybe that's okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I won so, Like it's interesting this celebrity culture,
Speaker 3: especially over the past like ten maybe fifteen years, has
Speaker 3: really like changed a lot in that I think niceness
Speaker 3: became a commodity whereas before niceness wasn't cool, right, you know,
Speaker 3: it wasn't like cool to be nice. Yeah, and then
Speaker 3: like suddenly it really was. It was like, oh well,
Speaker 3: if you're not nice, like you're dead, you know. But
Speaker 3: it actually just used to be like really cool to
Speaker 3: be like county and a bitch. And I feel like
Speaker 3: we're slowly edging back there. But I still think we're
Speaker 3: in our nice year. I still feel like we're in
Speaker 3: our life. Everybody has to be so nice all the time,
Speaker 3: and that's like cool if you're like really actually just
Speaker 3: like chill and nice.
Speaker 4: But sometimes I'm like I see through.
Speaker 1: Through it, and we all do. I think everything is
Speaker 1: too sensitive now that actually who you are, like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like the media, it's like if
Speaker 1: people are watching, they're watching so closely so that you
Speaker 1: can't really get away with like putting on a persona anymore.
Speaker 1: It's like really different from where you are because we
Speaker 1: see so much of it and we're inundated in the
Speaker 1: discourse and et cetera.
Speaker 2: That like we're ahead of the game that you're.
Speaker 4: Playing, right, and you're playing like really well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really good team to cover shit up. But I
Speaker 2: feel like and I mean this on such a complimentary level.
Speaker 2: You I feel like you've stuck to your countiness the
Speaker 2: whole the whole way through.
Speaker 4: Thank you. Yeah, well, I appreciate that. It's funny.
Speaker 3: It's like, I think I can be bitchy. I don't
Speaker 3: know that I'm.
Speaker 1: A bitch, right, That is a big distinction.
Speaker 3: You know, like I'm never going to be horrible to someone. Yeah,
Speaker 3: for the sake of it, because it's actually I personally
Speaker 3: find it a lot harder to be like deliberately like
Speaker 3: emotionally dismissive or mean or whatever, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 3: And don't get me wrong, I'm sure I have my
Speaker 3: bad days. Like I'm not saying I'm a saint, but.
Speaker 4: I'll also just like tell it how it is.
Speaker 3: And I think that gets misconstrued as being mean, but
Speaker 3: it's actually just I'm just being real because I don't
Speaker 3: think that it's that interesting to have this sort of
Speaker 3: like facade of like twist yourself not and what would
Speaker 3: really you're all gonna die and I'm just like just
Speaker 3: like have fun.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think this album is kind of like
Speaker 2: on this front line where a lot of a lot
Speaker 2: of artists are doing this now where it is like transparency,
Speaker 2: I'm bringing the fourth wall, Like you're singing about a
Speaker 2: G and Sophie and like like for the first time,
Speaker 2: probably right little way, and like you're being very real
Speaker 2: about ships, like you're singing I don't want to spoil
Speaker 2: the rest of the album, but like you were singing
Speaker 2: about things that like are very surprising, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I didn't think she would be she would have a
Speaker 2: song about what I think. I think about it all
Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, yes, yeah, I remember, because what analogy.
Speaker 1: It goes into the last track, and I love the
Speaker 1: two together because it's such a psych out like it's
Speaker 1: like you're talking about like really weighing things in your
Speaker 1: in the way where you are in life, like now
Speaker 1: is the time when I should maybe really think about
Speaker 1: a family, if that's what I want, Like is it
Speaker 1: okay with you that I think about this? Like yeah,
Speaker 1: this occupies a lot of space. And then the next
Speaker 1: song is keys, Yeah, and I was like, and I
Speaker 1: was like, is this her answering it or is this
Speaker 1: her having fun?
Speaker 2: Or is it both?
Speaker 3: Like it's it's not the answer, because I definitely I
Speaker 3: don't think I have an answer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you have baby fever do cocaine? Is what
Speaker 2: you're saying.
Speaker 3: Old brand Dale's gone, that's cool, But no, I don't
Speaker 3: have an answer, But I think it's an interesting question
Speaker 3: to muse over because I mean, do you guys have
Speaker 3: many friends who have kids?
Speaker 1: Our female friends are really starting. I mean, like even
Speaker 1: in the past six to eight months, like four or
Speaker 1: five of my friends I've had their Yeah, like one
Speaker 1: of my third kid wow yeah, wow, Wow is this
Speaker 1: your friend?
Speaker 3: I don't have loads of friends who have kids, yeah,
Speaker 3: but I had kind of one, like major friend in
Speaker 3: my life who's a songwriter who had a baby. She
Speaker 3: was kind of the inspiration for this song because I
Speaker 3: went to her house to visit her in Stockholm with
Speaker 3: her partner. They've been together for years, but they never
Speaker 3: really were like we're having kids. It just kind of
Speaker 3: happened for them, you know. And then it was just
Speaker 3: so crazy going over to their apartment writing songs with them.
Speaker 3: She's wearing the same clothes she always wore, the apartments
Speaker 3: the same, they're exactly the same.
Speaker 4: We're writing songs, but.
Speaker 3: It's just like everything is different because she has the
Speaker 3: key to this door that like, I'm not even in
Speaker 3: the same room as yet do you know what I like?
Speaker 2: It's almost like they now know something you don't know.
Speaker 1: And it's that wanting that like is driving the question
Speaker 1: in you exactly really interesting.
Speaker 3: Exactly and it's like you don't not to say that
Speaker 3: you can't you know, get the same sort of level
Speaker 3: of person. I'm not saying that, but I just I think,
Speaker 3: particularly like with her, for me, I was just like, wow,
Speaker 3: like we used to be so similar, and now your worldview,
Speaker 3: even though you're saying all the same things and you're
Speaker 3: the same person, you're also just like completely different because
Speaker 3: you have this new perspective that I can't even really
Speaker 3: begin to understand.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and it's just strange.
Speaker 2: But does it not give you some comfort that like
Speaker 2: she she is wearing the same clothes, nothing about her.
Speaker 3: Absolutely no, No, it's totally comforting. But then it's at
Speaker 3: the same time it's just like, I mean missing out,
Speaker 3: like and I think for me, it drives me to
Speaker 3: this place of like, do I want kids? Will I
Speaker 3: feel this new lease of life and this whole new
Speaker 3: world open up if I have kids? Will I feel
Speaker 3: resentment towards the kid? Will I seamlessly be able to
Speaker 3: do both thing, Yeah, exactly the way that I want
Speaker 3: to know, Probably not unless I like kind of disregard.
Speaker 1: The kid, like you want to do an amazing job
Speaker 1: at both, And so I would also if I were
Speaker 1: in that position. I don't I'll ever have children, but
Speaker 1: if I were, really, if it was something that was
Speaker 1: on my mind, I would worry that it would like harm.
Speaker 2: My passion and like what I know I'm supposed.
Speaker 1: To do, you know what I mean, Like, is it
Speaker 1: going to change the way that I relate to myself
Speaker 1: as like this person who like in your cases, out
Speaker 1: there creating and like being this like pop idol And
Speaker 1: then I don't know, like it would it would change
Speaker 1: a lot, Like you don't know that you're going to
Speaker 1: be exactly like your friend wearing the same ship talking
Speaker 1: about the same ship. For some people it really changes time.
Speaker 2: But I feel like you have already been through a
Speaker 2: situation where everything was taken from you in some sense
Speaker 2: with lockdown, Like your response to that was like I'm
Speaker 2: feeling now. I feel like like in a big life
Speaker 2: change situation like that, you already kind of I'm not
Speaker 2: saying what happened exactly that way, but you already know
Speaker 2: that like your response would be to like keep making true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's pretty interesting. I never thought of it like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, connecting dots. Last time I saw you was at
Speaker 2: SNL and at the Good Nights You were like what's
Speaker 2: going on after? And I was like, there's a horse
Speaker 2: meat disco?
Speaker 1: And then I almost did you go?
Speaker 2: I went after you didn't miss much? That was that
Speaker 2: we love horse meat, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean you know this because you do it. But
Speaker 3: it's it's a lot of it, it's a lot of energy.
Speaker 3: It's late.
Speaker 2: Is it's late, but like the boiler room set looks
Speaker 2: fucking that's late.
Speaker 4: But it's I mean, this is like, because when do
Speaker 4: you end one?
Speaker 1: One?
Speaker 4: And then and then you go to the funny Mexican restaurant?
Speaker 2: Where was it Rose in Mexico?
Speaker 1: Mexico?
Speaker 4: What is okay?
Speaker 2: We rotate, We rotate restaurants.
Speaker 4: Why isn't it okay the same place? Why isn't it
Speaker 4: just a better place?
Speaker 2: You know what? You really roll the dice and you can't.
Speaker 1: But like sometimes I'm like, where are were going? And
Speaker 1: it's either a fuck yes or a calm on?
Speaker 4: But has it it has been a yeah? And they
Speaker 4: would I went Rose Mexicans.
Speaker 2: Mexicano was oscar Isaac.
Speaker 4: And I mean I had fun, but I had fun.
Speaker 2: You had a margarita, but it was funny and you
Speaker 2: described it as a funny restaurant, and it is a
Speaker 2: very funny restaurant. It's hilarious. And we love Rose Mexicanos
Speaker 2: so much. We love them, we love them, but we
Speaker 2: want a table tonight. Randel's gone. My brand deal with
Speaker 2: was Mexicanos gone. But I like Charlie famous, but.
Speaker 4: Surely it's not a budget thing.
Speaker 2: It kind of like it's getting all the slash. I know,
Speaker 2: budget you need to come back when the party is
Speaker 2: at loving you at Sacks, It's it's chic, there's there's
Speaker 2: room to walk around. But Harley famously was the musical
Speaker 2: guest during the Omicron episode.
Speaker 1: Where everyone was fun right, well.
Speaker 2: Can I say can I reveal? Like on the monitors
Speaker 2: on Thursday, like all the writers were fucking screaming because
Speaker 2: it was like, oh my god, it's like Caroline politics here,
Speaker 2: Christine's here, they're doing new shapes and then like we
Speaker 2: the world missed out on like the three of you
Speaker 2: being on the same stage on TV.
Speaker 4: Doing it was that was crazy.
Speaker 2: Gradually.
Speaker 4: That was crazy.
Speaker 3: Also because yeah, I guess we never did that performance
Speaker 3: that was we had.
Speaker 4: We were on a did you see a sound check?
Speaker 3: We're on a spinning platform, so cool and like I
Speaker 3: love Caroline and Christine, but my gosh, that it was crazy,
Speaker 3: like because guys go crazy on it. It was like
Speaker 3: Caroline wanted the platform to spin one way, one speed,
Speaker 3: Christine wanted to spin.
Speaker 4: The other way. I was like, I don't care what
Speaker 4: platform COVID. It was just like so stressful. Yea, it
Speaker 4: was just like a lot. And then we finally figured out.
Speaker 3: We were so feeling so good about it, were like
Speaker 3: dancing on the platform.
Speaker 4: And falling over.
Speaker 3: We like we fucking killed it. And then we're literally
Speaker 3: we were in like we were getting ready like and
Speaker 3: then on that Saturday, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I was
Speaker 3: in gum and then Caroline was like, it's not happening.
Speaker 4: I was like, what do you mean You're not coming
Speaker 4: and she was like no, it's like it's.
Speaker 2: They pulled the plug on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that happened entirely.
Speaker 4: Well not my meatball sketch, thank god.
Speaker 2: Played a meatball. But that was that was show was it?
Speaker 2: That was That was the second show. That was the
Speaker 2: time you came back.
Speaker 3: Oh, I got a chicken, chicken, I was. I did
Speaker 3: some pre take sketch you were you were you were
Speaker 3: a chicken.
Speaker 2: To repair it, you were a parrot. You were a parrot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was kind of like, oh, well, at
Speaker 3: least I kept that.
Speaker 4: It was like me and me and Paul.
Speaker 1: It was Paul.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a good one though, to play chicken with Paul.
Speaker 1: That's so SNL called it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It's like I went on the sketch comedy. Yeah, I was, Ah,
Speaker 2: I was chicken in the meatball.
Speaker 1: But then you were.
Speaker 2: But then this can show you did baby, and then
Speaker 2: what did you did?
Speaker 4: Beg for you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh my god. Rena wasn't there.
Speaker 4: For Rena was not there.
Speaker 2: But speaking of Santas holds a very special place in
Speaker 2: my heart because that was where I was when Crash
Speaker 2: came out, the whole album, and I like, it was
Speaker 2: just me in a room listening to that whole album.
Speaker 2: Went to the Tory were fantastic, and I still say
Speaker 2: that that is the most well behaved audience because it's
Speaker 2: these lovely boys and girls just jump up and down.
Speaker 2: No one's like throwing elbows in the pit, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, everyone like watches their and the sod.
Speaker 4: They're polite. The angels are polite.
Speaker 2: But with this, do you want them to get a
Speaker 2: little a little bit more came.
Speaker 3: I always want them to get chaotic, like whenever they
Speaker 3: You know, I'm lucky because whenever I bump into like
Speaker 3: a mass group of angels, they're very like sweet, you know,
Speaker 3: they like wait in line and they like have the
Speaker 3: lids off their sharpie like organized.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's never like like a ship show.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I saw this TikTok of Paris.
Speaker 3: Hilton had done like a signing, yeah, and it had
Speaker 3: got a little hectic and someone had like drawn on
Speaker 3: her like chanel.
Speaker 4: Bag, and I was just like that. I mean, I'm.
Speaker 1: Sure there's like not in your class.
Speaker 3: There's lots more where it came from, but that is
Speaker 3: really like, that's such a bummer.
Speaker 4: That would never happen with the angel.
Speaker 2: Not on your blue.
Speaker 3: Bana in it always I always travel. I brought a
Speaker 3: banana here, left it on the plane.
Speaker 2: You did you have my favorite? What's my bag? Because
Speaker 2: you have the banana, you have the line and you
Speaker 2: have the barrito. Is it the true emotion? No? No, no, No,
Speaker 2: that's that's no. What is it? I just mixed emotion.
Speaker 2: You and I have the same fragrance.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm wearing lat too Leap today. It's a new
Speaker 4: I haven't done it before, a.
Speaker 1: Thing like I've switched and it's just like, what are
Speaker 1: you on? I am on Delos dose from by Radio.
Speaker 4: Okay, I have that.
Speaker 2: I will say.
Speaker 1: Bow and Yang really tried to get me into Sunday
Speaker 1: cologne and that was not for me.
Speaker 2: It's called as well. It's called Sunday.
Speaker 3: Yes, Sunday something rainy Sunday. No, that's much I think
Speaker 3: about Sunday. It's just called Sunday Sunday.
Speaker 2: I found Santos and I actually was wearing It.
Speaker 1: Had its debut at Coachella on me, and I felt
Speaker 1: very good by the way. You didn't You didn't say me,
Speaker 1: but I saw you.
Speaker 2: Last year that went off.
Speaker 1: People were getting people were getting fun, roudy, it was fun.
Speaker 4: How was Coachella this year?
Speaker 1: I tell this was fucking great. But makes an appearance
Speaker 1: in the Mean Girls song.
Speaker 3: Yes she does because because hot girls listen.
Speaker 1: To me, girls listen to true It's true.
Speaker 3: I feel like any cool, like genuinely cool girl not
Speaker 3: only like likes Solanad, but like understands like the law
Speaker 3: like Lana.
Speaker 4: Yes, in a really deep way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's totally real. She really is something symbolic for something. Yeah. Yes.
Speaker 1: When I was hearing that song, I was like, I
Speaker 1: see this girl. Yeah, yeah, you see her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she like smoke skinny cigarette and being being she's
Speaker 3: a little le Yes, she's a little bit like she's.
Speaker 4: Got a vocal, fry vocal.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't feel dated. It feels very good on her.
Speaker 1: Dating and I will say being at Coachella around seventy
Speaker 1: five thousand of those girls was a good vibe cool.
Speaker 1: And I wasn't sure about her doing the Friday night
Speaker 1: because I felt like that should be a party. Like
Speaker 1: in my head, I was like switch Dojah and Lana,
Speaker 1: put Lana on Sunday night, Dojah will get everything started.
Speaker 1: And then now having seen it, I'm like, everything was
Speaker 1: exactly everything.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, did you go?
Speaker 2: I didn't go. He's never been, never been what people
Speaker 2: do with your music, though, I think like, if we're
Speaker 2: gonna compare Laana heads to like Angels and people like
Speaker 2: really like love you I feel like you get people
Speaker 2: to like do the digging of like oh my god,
Speaker 2: like it's this there's this whole album that you know,
Speaker 2: like they really start to like dig through the crate.
Speaker 2: And I think people love to like take your stuff,
Speaker 2: all the stems, whatever and then just like re arrange
Speaker 2: it and like they have fun with the building blocks
Speaker 2: that you're giving.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think my music is like
Speaker 4: intrinsically like for the night.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean you can listen to it in the day,
Speaker 3: you can it in the car like whatever, but generally
Speaker 3: it's like the best night time.
Speaker 1: I remember, like I saw you at the will Turn
Speaker 1: a few years ago, and just what was happening on
Speaker 1: stage was so great and one of my favorite songs
Speaker 1: of yours is I Don't Want to Know, and like
Speaker 1: I just like you had this like really cool purple
Speaker 1: light just like I don't know, just like you're not
Speaker 1: like synesthetic, are you?
Speaker 4: I am?
Speaker 2: I could tell Yeah, So someone like got into your
Speaker 2: face was like you're not actually no, no, I.
Speaker 3: Just it's like one of those things where you know,
Speaker 3: like when you do your first interviews and it's like
Speaker 3: one of the first things you've ever said and then I.
Speaker 1: Like it's because people are like she's synesthetic, test her,
Speaker 1: but you actually do experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And for me it's like really helpful with writing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: when I'm writing, I'm like, this song is purple like,
Speaker 3: and then I'll be like, hey, gee, you make the
Speaker 3: purple stuff.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you this question about like, when
Speaker 1: you sit down to write a song, is it like
Speaker 1: because it feels like equal parts important and obviously it is,
Speaker 1: but I guess my question is is it the sound
Speaker 1: and like where you're going silically that dictates what something
Speaker 1: is going to be about, or do you come in
Speaker 1: with an emotion that you need to get up?
Speaker 3: With this record, it's been very much that I came
Speaker 3: in with what I wanted to say, whereas on previous
Speaker 3: records it's not actually really been like this.
Speaker 4: With this record, it's been so lyrically.
Speaker 3: Led, Like I've been like I want to write a
Speaker 3: song about my kind of sticky relationship with my mom
Speaker 3: and dad, which is apple, or like I want to
Speaker 3: write the song about not being sure if I want
Speaker 3: to have kids, or you know, like it's been very
Speaker 3: very like it's there, it's in my head, like mean
Speaker 3: girls kind of like piecing that around like a few
Speaker 3: different girls I know, and thinking about like qualities that
Speaker 3: they have and putting that in a song three sixty.
Speaker 1: Look and your book NDS are there, It's thanks. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And with that it was very like, Okay, I want
Speaker 3: to talk about me like being the like a sonic
Speaker 3: reference for people, but through the like lens of Julia
Speaker 3: kind of being the like New York like it girl,
Speaker 3: street fashion girl that everybody's referencing, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Julia Fox mean yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So it was like very specific and then kind of
Speaker 3: fun to build out these like pop songs that hopefully
Speaker 3: like a lot of people can relate to, but they're
Speaker 3: coming from like quite a specific idea right in place.
Speaker 2: And why do you think it didn't happen with the
Speaker 2: other albums. It just like wasn't the way it was.
Speaker 3: I think I was writing very much like the way
Speaker 3: I would write on previous records. We would build a
Speaker 3: track and then I would get on the microphone and
Speaker 3: literally be.
Speaker 2: Like and then figure out and then I would.
Speaker 3: Figure out the lyrics that fit the vowel sounds I
Speaker 3: was kind of making. So there was already this sort
Speaker 3: of like map of sound that you know, I was
Speaker 3: trying to fit words.
Speaker 2: To you're saying, this is lyrically.
Speaker 4: Where lyrically left, and not really focusing too much.
Speaker 3: On rhyme or worrying about like what fits within a
Speaker 3: stanza or anything like that. You know. So actually, just
Speaker 3: I was really able to kind of just write lyrics
Speaker 3: that I would actually say in a conversation rather than
Speaker 3: crafting them into this sort of like song version of
Speaker 3: what I would.
Speaker 1: Say, and even like melodically in the way that like
Speaker 1: the song forms around as like even with girls so confusing,
Speaker 1: it's girl, you know what I mean, Like there's something
Speaker 1: there that's the melody, like the way you really sound
Speaker 1: like I want to do this, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like you know, it's just like it feels like it's
Speaker 1: born out of something you want to say this time,
Speaker 1: and to hear that you say that is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it works back on this thing of like I
Speaker 2: think this is like extremely transparent in the way and
Speaker 2: it is like holding up this mirror because like the
Speaker 2: Warshack test of this album is the cover and everyone
Speaker 2: having all these opinions about like the right and it's
Speaker 2: in your and I think you kind of threw a
Speaker 2: back of people in a nice way where you're like, no,
Speaker 2: this is actually like this completely reveals what you think
Speaker 2: like pop really should appear and how they should put
Speaker 2: out their work and stuff like that, which I think
Speaker 2: is great. But I think with the content of the album,
Speaker 2: it's more about like guys, like I think about like
Speaker 2: crazy dark shit about like my career. I'm not putting
Speaker 2: words in your mouth, but it's like, I think it
Speaker 2: is your most vulnerable album because you are being very
Speaker 2: honest about like how you regard yourself in a way
Speaker 2: that would have never occurred to me, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Like there are allusions to like your career
Speaker 2: being in this in between and I'm like, oh, like
Speaker 2: six albums in like you feel that way, yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: Well, I just it's I think there aren't many people
Speaker 3: who have a path that I have that there are,
Speaker 3: Robin being one, and I think that's why there's a
Speaker 3: lot of like synergy between the two of us. But
Speaker 3: you know, somebody who had speaking about Robin now huge
Speaker 3: commercial success right at the beginning of her career and
Speaker 3: then kind of had to like rebrand and then became
Speaker 3: this kind of gay icon, kind of.
Speaker 4: Like Girl of the Night.
Speaker 1: No that sounds wrong, but you know, like.
Speaker 3: Nighttime music like club like always no matter what she does,
Speaker 3: is always going to be kind of like looked upon
Speaker 3: as like a really important artist who's kind of like
Speaker 3: treading new ground and you know, kind of like timeless.
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, we share similarities in that,
Speaker 3: you know, not my first music, but music for my
Speaker 3: second record was globally like commercially successful.
Speaker 4: But at that point of time, for.
Speaker 3: Me, I didn't really have my artistry kind of totally
Speaker 3: figured out in the way that I feel that I
Speaker 3: do have now. I mean, there were definitely like good
Speaker 3: through threads, but when I look at for example, like
Speaker 3: sour Olivia Rodriguez, I'm like, oh, I wish i'd done
Speaker 3: succer kind of like that, like because I think there
Speaker 3: are parallels within those universes. But I think she just
Speaker 3: did it better because I think she I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't think I knew myself that well at that
Speaker 3: point in time when I was doing that record, and
Speaker 3: I look at some of the decisions she made and
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh wow, it's like still really like pop
Speaker 3: and kind of like touching on this like live like
Speaker 3: punkish stuff. Yeah, but it's done in a way that
Speaker 3: to me is still very cool. Whereas I feel like
Speaker 3: when I look back on Soccer there are elements of
Speaker 3: it there.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, that's just a bit annoying shing, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I've told you though, that like True Romance is still
Speaker 2: the perfect I don't know how you feel about that album,
Speaker 2: but it's like I feel like that is still for Charlie.
Speaker 2: That is still like that's the through throughout, that's the yeah,
Speaker 2: And like I still listen to So Far Away and
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is fundamentally the same stuff she's putting it,
Speaker 2: she's put out through her whole career, and like that
Speaker 2: is like music of the Night where it's like the
Speaker 2: beginnings of like bedroom pop, this whole thing now that
Speaker 2: has this whole you know, life and culture around it.
Speaker 2: Like I think you really broke ground in that way
Speaker 2: with it, Like yeah, Sucker is its own thing, and
Speaker 2: that must have been so strange and so complicated, but
Speaker 2: it's still a great record, the True Romance. I think
Speaker 2: it's still like you you can always always fall back
Speaker 2: on that first record is like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that record.
Speaker 1: I love that record.
Speaker 4: But yeah, anyways, I think it's like, it's just interesting.
Speaker 3: My career hasn't been like a to be it's been
Speaker 3: like kind of it's like a weird jp qat and
Speaker 3: it's like stradla this like commercial thing, also being a songwriter,
Speaker 3: also being linked to the underground, disregarding that and coming
Speaker 3: back and.
Speaker 4: It's a mess.
Speaker 2: It's not a mess. It's that I think.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you nice way Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: People don't have that trajector anymore because we're so afree
Speaker 2: to take the risk, whether from the label or from
Speaker 2: the artists themselves. Like I think you have been so
Speaker 2: good about using whatever the apparatus is, whatever you have
Speaker 2: within you to just like make it. Like that's like
Speaker 2: that's how I'm feeling now. Is to me, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you just fucking made it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You have had these like when you describe it as
Speaker 1: a mess. It is interesting because it's like there's these
Speaker 1: spikes of like these mainstream moments, like going back to
Speaker 1: like boom Clap like that, being in like love Simon.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like that was like but I guess that's what
Speaker 5: it's like.
Speaker 2: That kind of was our faulty.
Speaker 1: They were still gay though, but like that, and then
Speaker 1: I remember it was a few years ago now, but
Speaker 1: we were in the Fire Island movie and when we
Speaker 1: found out that the Boys remix was going to be
Speaker 1: in our trailer, yeah, so cool. I was like, thank god,
Speaker 1: because this is going to get across like the fun
Speaker 1: of this. It's going to make it seem even more
Speaker 1: fun than it is. Like and also just like there
Speaker 1: was something about doesn't that song also start promising young women?
Speaker 1: Like so it's just like there are these like moments
Speaker 1: in like big mainstream that like you're right there, and
Speaker 1: so I wonder how do you feel when something is
Speaker 1: perceived on that level? Is that like an exciting thing
Speaker 1: or it is a little bit like.
Speaker 4: No, no, I feel good about it.
Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, I think because there are some things
Speaker 3: you mentioned that so like Fire Island promising young women,
Speaker 3: those things feel really exciting to me and inspiring and
Speaker 3: happy to be involved in them. But I think it's
Speaker 3: like what I've learned, like going back and forth between
Speaker 3: this kind of like more commercial version of myself to
Speaker 3: this kind of more I'm really just leading with like
Speaker 3: what's in my brain and my you know, instinct. I've
Speaker 3: just learned now from doing it so long. I can't
Speaker 3: like fake. I just can't like fake pushing the commercial
Speaker 3: button like I.
Speaker 1: Cock a Cole.
Speaker 2: I can't do it.
Speaker 3: I can't like And that's no disrespect to the people
Speaker 3: who do. Some people are just like made to like
Speaker 3: live in that world and like they want to make
Speaker 3: the music that it's going to like really succeed in
Speaker 3: that world.
Speaker 4: And it's really hard to succeed in that world.
Speaker 3: Like I'm not taking that away from anyone, but like,
Speaker 3: I just can't do it because when I've written those
Speaker 3: songs and I put them out, it's like they only
Speaker 3: go so far because I think there's a block that
Speaker 3: the fans see as well.
Speaker 4: They're just like, she's not that girl. Like that's not
Speaker 4: who she is. She's not that girl.
Speaker 3: Like some of them can, like maybe a less hardcore
Speaker 3: fan can get down with it, but it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: it's just like when you smell a rat or whatever.
Speaker 3: It's like, I have to just be yourself myself.
Speaker 1: Something in the milk ain't clean. Yes, when you're not
Speaker 1: being yourself, and I can't fucking nor should you have to.
Speaker 4: I can't do because it makes me miserable.
Speaker 2: You have to sing that music every night.
Speaker 1: I think it was Dua who said we were just
Speaker 1: talking to her about her album and she we were
Speaker 1: talking about this like theme that she has of like positivity,
Speaker 1: and the messages that she has are usually like up
Speaker 1: and she's like, well, I have to sing it every
Speaker 1: fucking night, So if it's gonna be something that's in
Speaker 1: my mouth every single night, it better tastes good, like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like it's so funny because I'm the opposite.
Speaker 2: Of Yeah, really, if I had to sing.
Speaker 3: Really overly positives like boom clap is a good example. Obviously,
Speaker 3: it's so different from like radical optimism, like completely different
Speaker 3: sounding records, et cetera. But like that's funny that she
Speaker 3: says that, and that makes sense for her because she
Speaker 3: is I think she is always really kind of like
Speaker 3: seizing like the positivity in life.
Speaker 4: I kind of like to dwell in the kind of
Speaker 4: like sit in the ship.
Speaker 1: And externalize that because that is also a valid emotion
Speaker 1: that people out there.
Speaker 4: I have to do it, I could. Yeah, that's so
Speaker 4: that's really interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but like I feel that this is like
Speaker 2: just like like.
Speaker 3: It's kind like a vision of like me performing radical optimism.
Speaker 3: And doing brat like three six.
Speaker 4: Five Putty Girl and then me doing and like both
Speaker 4: of us.
Speaker 3: Like being on our like the versions of what those
Speaker 3: tours are.
Speaker 2: And I want to see that how is that?
Speaker 4: How is how's it going down?
Speaker 1: This is?
Speaker 2: But this is how you know that? Like you're doing
Speaker 2: the right thing?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 2: Like you like we love Dua. It would be crazy
Speaker 2: if she did three sixty and it would be kind
Speaker 2: of crazy if you did Radical Optimists. It's like you
Speaker 2: are doing the thing you were meant to do. It
Speaker 2: is purely externalized from whatever your inner life is. And
Speaker 2: I feel like you're what you're saying is maybe the
Speaker 2: pendulum stops swinging, like you've landed in this nice space
Speaker 2: of like I'm in between or I'm more of this
Speaker 2: one thing than I am this thing, And like I
Speaker 2: feel like reflective surfaces are a big part of this album.
Speaker 2: That you look at the mirror, you see me like
Speaker 2: and you're holding up a mirror to society? Am I being?
Speaker 1: So you went the reflective surface motif, but like use it.
Speaker 2: Use it like a mirror, like a mirror. We gotta
Speaker 2: ask Charlie the question, Yes we do. So this is
Speaker 2: the central question of lost culture. It's what was the
Speaker 2: culture that made you say culture is for you. You
Speaker 2: can look back and be like, I am largely.
Speaker 1: Me because of this thing I experienced.
Speaker 3: I think think it was and maybe this is not.
Speaker 3: It was very surprising, but I think it was like
Speaker 3: the London rave scene and that like culture of like
Speaker 3: London warehouse parties that I kind of came up through
Speaker 3: because that sort of in turn put me very onto
Speaker 3: kind of.
Speaker 4: Like club kids stuff.
Speaker 3: When I was younger and when I was in art school,
Speaker 3: I was always kind of like in this sort of
Speaker 3: like Lee Bowery like inspired like Michael allc kind of
Speaker 3: still there's a core scene. Yeah, like those parties like
Speaker 3: that level of yes, totally and that level of kind
Speaker 3: of like DIY aesthetic with clothes and music and yeah.
Speaker 4: I think that really formed who I am.
Speaker 2: You find it.
Speaker 3: I think it was from starting going to these parties
Speaker 3: because when the must have been like two thousand and
Speaker 3: seven and eight, when I was going in London, I
Speaker 3: was young.
Speaker 4: I would go with my parents, Oh wow, which was
Speaker 4: not cool.
Speaker 2: Were you guys like in Essex going to Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they would drive me.
Speaker 3: I would get asked ahead of my space and I
Speaker 3: knew this like promoter who was like come and play
Speaker 3: and we would like drive into London and I would
Speaker 3: play at like three am.
Speaker 2: You being booked for these yeah.
Speaker 4: It was being booked. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And that was kind of my first like look into
Speaker 3: kind of night life and like party culture.
Speaker 4: And at that point in time, I guess it was
Speaker 4: like our version of Indie Sleeves was it was New Rave, which.
Speaker 2: Was like you know for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so that was sort of like a kind
Speaker 3: of regurgitation of you know, all the prior like first
Speaker 3: second wave of club kids that were coming before. So
Speaker 3: I kind of just got sort of like sucked in
Speaker 3: through that way.
Speaker 2: But and then you learned about the prior wave that
Speaker 2: felt like education. There was some like rooting for this.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like it just kind of came about of nowhere,
Speaker 2: like you had a history to like, yeah, I had to.
Speaker 3: I had to soak in the history because I wanted
Speaker 3: to understand like what Michael Atlck was doing and what
Speaker 3: like that original like club scene and like those club
Speaker 3: kids were doing back here in New York and those
Speaker 3: levels of like crazy parties they would throw like they
Speaker 3: threw one on a bridge where all they like shut
Speaker 3: both ends of the bridge and like you know, just
Speaker 3: this like lore of like partying and how that kind
Speaker 3: of like spawned into music and then began to kind
Speaker 3: of create like new sounds of music.
Speaker 4: I think that it's like such a rich thing for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like like you like at the Limelight would have
Speaker 2: been so fucking kind.
Speaker 4: Imagine, yea wild imagine.
Speaker 1: But that's where do you live now?
Speaker 2: Do you? Do you still like.
Speaker 4: I'm half in LA and half in London?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and forth back and forth La. Or do you
Speaker 2: like it?
Speaker 3: I am beginning to maybe be over it.
Speaker 4: I've been there for ten years.
Speaker 1: That feels like that feels like double yeah, the amount
Speaker 1: of time it would take.
Speaker 2: Ye over it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm thinking about New York.
Speaker 1: Actually, I think New York.
Speaker 4: I lived here.
Speaker 1: I think I think New York is New York and London.
Speaker 1: Like I guess, like if you were someone who wanted
Speaker 1: two different experiences in the two places you live, Like
Speaker 1: I'm here because I want to rest, meaning LA, and
Speaker 1: I'm here because I want to be included in what's
Speaker 1: going on in like the culture that's London, but like
Speaker 1: New York is New York.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do love rest in New York. I do
Speaker 2: love London too. Did you love performing at Coachella?
Speaker 4: I was, honestly so scarce.
Speaker 1: Was it scary, yeah, because.
Speaker 4: You know with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and everyone was like it's all about the live stream.
Speaker 3: Everyone's like about the live strain. So that made me
Speaker 3: kind of treat them on like TV.
Speaker 2: Oh got hopeful.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Well, I was happy with how it looked and how
Speaker 3: I sounded because I was thinking so much about the
Speaker 3: all cars.
Speaker 4: But it definitely like was just stressful.
Speaker 2: That was a major It was a major change.
Speaker 1: So I remember we saw Chapel in the Gobi tent
Speaker 1: and then right after that we walked over to Saprina
Speaker 1: Carpenter on the Coachella stage, and I remember it felt
Speaker 1: like the energy was lower. But then I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: but on this stage they're thinking about the live stream,
Speaker 1: whereas in like the Golby and Sahara tents, they're just
Speaker 1: giving a live show and it feels like that. Like,
Speaker 1: so the live experience does feel I would imagine, like
Speaker 1: more alive there and maybe as the performer, it feels
Speaker 1: more connected, whereas like on the Coachella stage where you were,
Speaker 1: it is a lot about like they're watching at home.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's okay. I mean.
Speaker 1: I was having the best.
Speaker 2: You used to do these like videos, these little short
Speaker 2: films of him like teaching you how to like have tea.
Speaker 2: Like he was just so adorable people don't talk about
Speaker 2: with Lee. Barry is like, yeah, it's like the looks
Speaker 2: and all these things, but it's like at his heart,
Speaker 2: he was just like sensitive Australian, right, Australian, Australian. I'm
Speaker 2: confused it as a bread but you know, maybe maybe
Speaker 2: you're right.
Speaker 4: Maybe you're right.
Speaker 2: Now we can't look it up. I hope you're both.
Speaker 2: I hope you're both wrong. But like, did it take you?
Speaker 2: Like was there a developmental thing for you to like
Speaker 2: grow up in that and then be like I'm gonna
Speaker 2: like do you like, I'm gonna make this like part
Speaker 2: of me.
Speaker 4: I don't think it was a choice, you know.
Speaker 3: I think it's like it just I gravitated so hard
Speaker 3: towards it. I think it was like I saw elements
Speaker 3: of myself in what was being created in the worlds
Speaker 3: that I was looking into.
Speaker 4: There was there was like.
Speaker 3: A punkness and like a kind of freeeness, and it
Speaker 3: felt that there was like a possibility to be a
Speaker 3: little messy and not perfect and not look a certain
Speaker 3: type of a way to still be able to express
Speaker 3: yourself and feel really like validated or something. And I
Speaker 3: think I was searching for that a lot when I
Speaker 3: was growing.
Speaker 1: Up, and that that could be a version of success
Speaker 1: is just going there and participating and being in the
Speaker 1: culture and being around people that make you feel good
Speaker 1: and not this like more calculated metric of like, well
Speaker 1: did this happen? Did you look like this right?
Speaker 4: And be rewarded for being a freak?
Speaker 3: I think that was I think that was something that
Speaker 3: really like made me like gravitate towards that world, because
Speaker 3: that was what was like celebrated, like if you were
Speaker 3: like really like wearing something.
Speaker 4: Like weird or like you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Or like you got attention, you got like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, I was like, Oh, that's cool.
Speaker 3: Like you don't have to be this kind of traditional
Speaker 3: version of beauty or talent or like whatever it is.
Speaker 3: It's that you can kind of make a fantasy and
Speaker 3: it be valid even if it's like a little fucked
Speaker 3: and ugly, you know, or whatever.
Speaker 2: That's your route though, Like that's why it's like you
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about being like the moral model
Speaker 2: for anything. It's like just like let that ship go
Speaker 2: because you started out in this like environment where like
Speaker 2: it didn't really matter. Like nightlife culture is about like
Speaker 2: unrepressed everything. It's it's just like humanity revealing itself and
Speaker 2: being so like.
Speaker 1: I love it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: I love it. It's so interesting.
Speaker 2: Have you done Mighty Hooplo?
Speaker 1: Have been to Mighty Hoop?
Speaker 4: I don't don't know that.
Speaker 2: Something's like big queer, Like.
Speaker 1: It's like a queer that idline four times? What's that?
Speaker 3: There's a park that's like Victoria, I haven't done it.
Speaker 2: You haven't done it, no problem, but it's like it's
Speaker 2: like a teeny tiny coach but in London with all
Speaker 2: queer like Jason's. That's so.
Speaker 1: It's fucked in a crazy way.
Speaker 2: Excited for to I am.
Speaker 1: Have you guys been wanting to tour together? It feels
Speaker 1: like such a natural.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we have the same manager. Our manager
Speaker 3: has been trying to get us to talk together for years,
Speaker 3: and every time we're like, yeah, like obviously we love
Speaker 3: each other, but I think the music has never quite
Speaker 3: lined up.
Speaker 4: And now it's like so lining up.
Speaker 3: You know. So this time when our manager like for
Speaker 3: like literally the fifth time, was like, do you guys
Speaker 3: want to talk together? We were like, yeah, we do
Speaker 3: because it really made sense and we could see how
Speaker 3: it would really like flow and work together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so sung together.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: So we're to be honest, we're still putting it together,
Speaker 3: but I think.
Speaker 4: That, yes, it's what people eat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's going to be
Speaker 3: like a full Medley situation, but there's definitely going to
Speaker 3: be a few moments you go together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did see you guys. I think it was
Speaker 1: also at the World Turn like ys ago, you guys
Speaker 1: were on the same shows that.
Speaker 2: I did it artists.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a festival that I think we both
Speaker 3: did together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I remember just thinking and I forget.
Speaker 3: Festival that maybe was Troy's invention, but maybe it was also.
Speaker 4: Mind but I don't remember.
Speaker 1: He totally did Peers every year he did.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, well it's gonna be it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: Wait, people were freaking out, yes, situation, which.
Speaker 2: Is always a good feeling when it's like together, I know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we're so happy, We're really happy. It's gonna
Speaker 3: be fun.
Speaker 4: It's like pretty quick.
Speaker 2: Huh, I don't It's like a couple of months, right,
Speaker 2: It's like.
Speaker 4: Not even is it like five weeks?
Speaker 2: Okay, where is it in New York? Is that ms
Speaker 2: G y M?
Speaker 4: Obviously would It's gonna be really fun.
Speaker 2: And you know I paid top dollar for you, like
Speaker 2: I don't think anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh fine, I'll take it.
Speaker 2: I'll take it.
Speaker 1: I did hear a story one time of I won't
Speaker 1: say any details until after, but there was an artist
Speaker 1: who was in a big feud with this other famous person,
Speaker 1: and the famous person reached out like years after to
Speaker 1: like get tickets to a show, and the person just
Speaker 1: sent back a ticket link and said buy one.
Speaker 4: I love.
Speaker 2: All right, So it's time.
Speaker 4: For I don't think so okay you're doing and.
Speaker 2: I just know you're gonna pop the off.
Speaker 1: So this is this is our sixty second segment where
Speaker 1: we drag name cultural item.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: I walked into this myself today. Uh it's my own fault,
Speaker 1: but I am gonna okay. Here we are.
Speaker 2: There's some self accountability. Yes it is Matt Rogers. I
Speaker 2: don't think so some of these time starts, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Honey wearing a graphic tea on the subway, because here's
Speaker 1: the thing. People are gonna read it, and then they
Speaker 1: were gonna engage with it, and then you're trapped with
Speaker 1: them for what could be as much as a half hour.
Speaker 1: So today I have a shirt on that says, is
Speaker 1: it gonna be a threesome? I'm challengers coded my whole
Speaker 1: life right now. This is merch from Focused Features, Thank
Speaker 1: you again, Driveway Dolls and for Driveaway Dolls. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen it yet, but Wade's sister, I just know that
Speaker 1: I was on the subway today with a gentleman who
Speaker 1: could read the shirt and did out loud, and so
Speaker 1: then he was engaging with it. He caused everyone to
Speaker 1: turn and I said, you know what, maybe if I
Speaker 1: hadn't worn a shirt with words on it that could
Speaker 1: be read, I wouldn't be having a conversation at all,
Speaker 1: least of all about threesomes. And this person was not
Speaker 1: necessarily someone I wanted to engage with about threesomes. If
Speaker 1: you know, if you see me wearing this and you
Speaker 1: think we would vibe, I don't know, maybe I will
Speaker 1: be wearing it the whole rest of today. This episode
Speaker 1: comes out in like three weeks, but I'll wear it again. Actually, yes,
Speaker 1: the day this episode is released, I'm gonna be walking
Speaker 1: the streets and you're wearing it. Say hi, but not
Speaker 1: if you're like a crazy person on the subway.
Speaker 2: And that's one minute. So that's my ole thing on today.
Speaker 4: That is so good. Thank you.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be so good.
Speaker 1: We all we all know you talk super fast? Do
Speaker 1: I recording media? You you go, So let me tell
Speaker 1: you something.
Speaker 4: Like in a way now, I'm like, do you know
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, you mean in song?
Speaker 1: I'm just saying your we know you can get on,
Speaker 1: you can hit.
Speaker 2: You can rip. You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: In that way? Is that like a problems?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Everyone everyone's saying about Charlie's They're like, yeah, she
Speaker 2: just talks too fast, and I just wish it wasn't
Speaker 2: so fast. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying, like, I've heard the album and
Speaker 1: I know that I know that you can keep up
Speaker 1: the tempo.
Speaker 4: I understand.
Speaker 1: Speaking of tempo, you're ready to fucking do this? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so this is villain yangs. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: As time starts now, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think so, honey, pubic hair. Why is it looking
Speaker 2: different down there than up here? I look like miss
Speaker 2: Frizzle got ade job. I'm curly, curly, curly, and I
Speaker 2: wish I could get a perm up here and make
Speaker 2: my give my if a little swoop. My pubic hair
Speaker 2: is so tightly coiled down there, and when you see
Speaker 2: it on the bathroom floor, you go, oh, I'm that
Speaker 2: is not something I want to see. And it's if
Speaker 2: you're living alone like me, it's just you. I don't
Speaker 2: like how I don't like it. I don't like what
Speaker 2: it says about me. I think pubic hair like either
Speaker 2: when you have it, it's like, oh, let's let's shear it,
Speaker 2: and then when you don't have it, it's like sheer, Well,
Speaker 2: now you look like a fucking mole. Rap, there's no
Speaker 2: in between. Second, why can't we just stay there? And
Speaker 2: I'm as sure as helling laser removing it, because it's
Speaker 2: like because like I said, if it's gone, it looks
Speaker 2: even crazier than if it is. A five seconds so
Speaker 2: it's a jungle and I have a really crazy situation.
Speaker 2: I don't know why it's different down there. It's in
Speaker 2: body hair all supposed to be the same. And that's
Speaker 2: one minute.
Speaker 1: You're the only person I believe in history to say
Speaker 1: you wish what was down there, You wish your pubic
Speaker 1: hair was on your head.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to go both ways. If my hair
Speaker 2: on my head looked pubic, I'd be like, well, at
Speaker 2: least it's consistent.
Speaker 1: This is so shocking, first of all, laser hair removal
Speaker 1: on your pubic area and asshole, maybe.
Speaker 2: Some people do it.
Speaker 1: The guys I've been hooking up with lately don't seem
Speaker 1: to care at all about maintaining it down there, or
Speaker 1: maybe they just think they don't care what I think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it has been so wild and free as
Speaker 1: I no matter your gender, it's like there is not
Speaker 1: a great way to manage it, like period. Well maybe
Speaker 1: it's also because I'm hooking up with like men that
Speaker 1: are my age in their thirties and not like just
Speaker 1: giving up. This isn't like when you're in fresh in
Speaker 1: your twenties and everyone thinks like, oh, I should like
Speaker 1: manscape or whatever, or like really keep it clean down there.
Speaker 1: It's like give it a rest, girl, Like we're all
Speaker 1: just trying to live life.
Speaker 2: When no one cares that you're a hairy one. No
Speaker 2: one cares.
Speaker 1: But I bet your pubic hair is thrilling.
Speaker 2: It's freshly shorn.
Speaker 1: Oh, why you have plans later?
Speaker 2: No, I just it was getting out of hand and
Speaker 2: I am in that liminal space now where I'm like,
Speaker 2: this sucks. Okay. No, I'm actually okay, I'm moisturizing.
Speaker 4: Cool down there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I guess I should use I should try
Speaker 1: my purple shampoo from my blonde Yeah, get blonde.
Speaker 4: Don My heart just skipped me.
Speaker 1: Something.
Speaker 2: You're just speak the truth. This is Charlie Xx's I
Speaker 2: don't think that one of your time starts now.
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 3: I'm actually coming for a group of people, these people
Speaker 3: who have this stuck up I roll the attitude towards
Speaker 3: reality TV.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean. Back to the beginning of
Speaker 4: our conversation, what is not to love?
Speaker 3: I feel like there is such a high low conundrum
Speaker 3: to reality TV that just makes me want to sink
Speaker 3: my teeth in. Whether it be our favorite Housewives for
Speaker 3: Salt Lake City, Potomac also Miami also heard it's pretty good,
Speaker 3: but also what about some other amazing shows below? Down
Speaker 3: under below Decks Sailing Yard, below Mediterranean Love Island, Australia.
Speaker 3: British heard the US wasn't that good. But anyway, I
Speaker 3: just think that there is such a psychology, such a wonderful,
Speaker 3: amazing world to delve into. In reality TV. It's like
Speaker 3: the factory. It's absolutely fabulous. Just keep it coming and
Speaker 3: don't judge.
Speaker 1: It and and you I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: The world there reality TV is not trash.
Speaker 4: It's not trash. It's usual. Sweat during that, Oh my god,
Speaker 4: I was like sweated.
Speaker 2: And look, but that's like a good sign like we have.
Speaker 2: I'm just like we had a clear void come in recently.
Speaker 2: And he when he sweats, he means it's the spirit movie.
Speaker 2: It's like energy is moving through. That's what's happened.
Speaker 4: Amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should watch Couple's Therapy. Oh so good with.
Speaker 4: She is the sex.
Speaker 2: She's so sexy, isn't do you just want.
Speaker 3: To be here?
Speaker 2: And what just happened here? I love just the tiny
Speaker 2: little what and what's and what was? She's like talk
Speaker 2: about this, She's amazing. I'm so glad you watched her.
Speaker 4: I love her. I think her fashion is incredible.
Speaker 3: It just thinks she's cheat her apartment's really cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you gotten to the lockdown stuff yet where
Speaker 2: they bring the cameras into her apartment because she's doing
Speaker 2: all of it through like her so that you see
Speaker 2: her apartment and it's like kind of messy in a
Speaker 2: very charming way. She's got all he kids running around.
Speaker 4: She how many kisses does she happen to? I think
Speaker 4: she's so fast.
Speaker 2: What I love is when she speaks to her therapist
Speaker 2: a real yeah, Virginia, Virginia, she's fr she's she's a
Speaker 2: real super sar. But you finished it all the way through,
Speaker 2: there's like, I mean, whatever, we want to talk about it.
Speaker 2: There's a really Palestinian queer couple that's amazing. And then
Speaker 2: like and then Orner's like when she finds out that
Speaker 2: one of them is Palestini and she goes, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm from Israel, right, and then like or like blest
Speaker 2: like is like on socials being like this is crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah wait, but you should watch it all the way through.
Speaker 3: You would fucking love it.
Speaker 2: But that's between like that's not quite reality. It's not
Speaker 2: quite documentary. Right. It's like they know they're being filmed,
Speaker 2: but they can't see the cameras.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they've done that shut by the way.
Speaker 3: I have no idea how long we have left, but
Speaker 3: I'm like, please, we could do a whole episode on this.
Speaker 4: I feel like they've shot that show.
Speaker 3: In a retasteful way, yes, and I hope it never changes.
Speaker 1: You know what, you want to know what it is.
Speaker 1: It's like you can tell that well, obviously it's all
Speaker 1: hit and that's like part of it, but it's still
Speaker 1: really elevated the way they shoot it. And I just
Speaker 1: what I love is that they seem to catch micro
Speaker 1: emotions like it's really like intentionally edited, and I believe
Speaker 1: it's like really smartly done through her lens. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: we're making a joke about like what was that? But
Speaker 1: we saw it too, yea, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And also it has to be so crazy, like to
Speaker 1: be in those sessions and then watch it after because
Speaker 1: it's also an edited version of that session. You think
Speaker 1: that would also maybe give you a little bit of
Speaker 1: a complex like why am I being edited this way
Speaker 1: and not that way? Like I can't understand saying yes
Speaker 1: to that, but I'm so thrilled that people do me too.
Speaker 4: Do you have a favorite couple or most like.
Speaker 1: The young Queer couple, Like they were really young and
Speaker 1: they had been in a relationship for like three years
Speaker 1: sort of formatively, and one of them wanted to be
Speaker 1: in an open relationship and the other did not or
Speaker 1: was adjusting to that. And I think ultimately what they
Speaker 1: had to really figure out and admit to each other
Speaker 1: was that they were.
Speaker 2: Not right for each other.
Speaker 1: And watching that play out was heartbreaking, and I just
Speaker 1: hope that they could still figure it out to be
Speaker 1: in each other's lives, because that's I think the hardest
Speaker 1: thing about when a relationship ends is it's like I
Speaker 1: don't want to lose you as the person.
Speaker 2: You know, like that.
Speaker 1: And I thought that was just like a beautiful illustration
Speaker 1: and like you know, examination of that kind of thing,
Speaker 1: like I love you more than anything.
Speaker 2: This is not right. Yeah, do you have a favorite?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Mine? Also season one, it was the kind of
Speaker 4: like very sort of set in his ways, quite sexy
Speaker 4: you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Man and the woman who was sort of willing to
Speaker 3: try anything, and he was just he would like get
Speaker 3: up during the session and walk around and he was
Speaker 3: just like being like very controlling.
Speaker 2: But history is his story was so wild, like like
Speaker 2: that woman like fucked him when he was like fourteen,
Speaker 2: tied into a.
Speaker 4: Bed and yeah, so the way it came out again
Speaker 4: could be the edit. We don't know.
Speaker 3: It was just sort of like they'd done like four
Speaker 3: or five sessions. Yeah, nothing was really like going anywhere.
Speaker 3: And then one day he's.
Speaker 4: Just like, well, you know there was that time where
Speaker 4: I got tied to a bed. I like all, I
Speaker 4: was like what really, Yeah, it's just like he just
Speaker 4: like throws it in out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's real though, that's the real therapy. Shit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's no like easing into it. Sometimes it just kind
Speaker 2: of drop it.
Speaker 1: Well, you get the sense that he either was just
Speaker 1: as stubborn controlling with like releasing that information as he
Speaker 1: is in the immediate thing, or I think some guys
Speaker 1: that are like that just don't understand that it has
Speaker 1: affected them in that way.
Speaker 3: I mean, who knows, But I was under the impression
Speaker 3: that maybe he just.
Speaker 1: Like wasn't there. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But then the thing that was really interesting about them
Speaker 3: was then Awna would go and speak to her therapist
Speaker 3: about how she was getting very triggered specifically by him,
Speaker 3: and that was like at this extra dynamic that was
Speaker 3: really interesting, and she was kind of talking about how
Speaker 3: she needed to make sure she was providing like fair
Speaker 3: and equal counsel, but she was like so annoyed by him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is interesting. I think there's multiple people like this,
Speaker 2: Like he's one of the people who says her, I
Speaker 2: could do your job. Yeah, I really I couldn't believe
Speaker 2: that that was Can you mentioned the gall Do you
Speaker 2: have a favorite couple? I I like, there's a couple
Speaker 2: of season two that's really great. It's two men. One
Speaker 2: of them is a ballet dancer. One of them, Oh,
Speaker 2: they were great. They were great, and then one of
Speaker 2: them like had a really harroring journey with like sobriety,
Speaker 2: and then then the pandemic happened. Then the pandemic happened.
Speaker 2: And then there's this one couple. There's a problem couple
Speaker 2: of season three, and she order talks to Virginia and
Speaker 2: she talks to a peer group of other therapists and
Speaker 2: all of them like help her crack this one couple
Speaker 2: because it's she had to watches like I don't know
Speaker 2: because the guy was stone walling, and there's there's such
Speaker 2: a sensational clip of her, like they play at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the season where she she just like yep,
Speaker 2: they're screaming and she goes mastop. You guys, right now,
Speaker 2: I'm not the right therapist for you. And then you're like,
Speaker 2: you're like, how does it get there? How does it
Speaker 2: get there? And watch you watch it and.
Speaker 1: Great, there was a great couple that was she was
Speaker 1: a dancer in The Lion King, yes, and and it's
Speaker 1: like she was like she was always busy at night,
Speaker 1: and so she could never have dinner with the family
Speaker 1: and her kids, and like it was like a thing.
Speaker 1: He's like, well, you're never home for dinner. It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm in the Lion King. And you knew this when
Speaker 1: you marry me, because she went the Lion King for
Speaker 1: as long as the earth has been I know, security,
Speaker 1: are you a therapy icon? Who are you a therapy icon?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I meant the Lion King being what a job.
Speaker 1: But honestly, I can't believe I was never not in it.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I was ever No, I can't believe
Speaker 1: I was ever not in it because.
Speaker 3: I love it being therapy Again, the King, I was like, lying.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's many roles for me in the
Speaker 1: Lion King on Broadway. But I would love to help
Speaker 1: out you ushering, but no, therapy is great.
Speaker 2: Therapy is great, speaking of great, speaking of great, the
Speaker 2: album is fucking sublime. Yeah, good for you, and I'm
Speaker 2: glad you responded. Seems like you responded positively when I
Speaker 2: when I made a comparison the XX world.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: Of course you're right, and I'm I think, yeah, you
Speaker 3: nailed it, youmailed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fucking good. We love you, Charlie.
Speaker 4: I love you.
Speaker 1: But everything you do. Course it's pretty fun.
Speaker 2: What the end every episode with the.
Speaker 1: Song I'm Breaking?
Speaker 3: Ever?
Speaker 1: Wait, why do I love all your bells? You know
Speaker 1: what I love?
Speaker 2: Official?
Speaker 4: Official?
Speaker 1: Official Official reminds me of Jared's first He was my boyfriend,
Speaker 1: he's my best friend. We figured it out in the
Speaker 1: way that I hope that couple therapy couple did.
Speaker 2: But official was like, that was the song WHOA.
Speaker 1: Like the little things are happening that makes me
Speaker 2: Writing the things that go to make us Official