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Speaker 1: I'm wearing merch, Yeah, scaring merchant. But Bowen is in

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Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by her wardrobe, yes, and the choices.

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Speaker 2: And the choices, many colors, many.

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Speaker 1: That's that's why no one would ever.

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Speaker 4: See it would be so good. It would be so good.

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Speaker 4: I'm pro Monica.

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Speaker 3: You know what's interesting about that song is I'm going

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Speaker 3: Sometimes there is like what's the phrase smoke where the

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Speaker 4: It's like I don't know, everybody's just doing this little like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's unrealistic. It's unrealistic.

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Speaker 1: And you're not saying fuck her, You're saying it's confusing.

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Speaker 4: Well that's the other thing about it.

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Speaker 3: Maybe people were getting it wrong, but they're like having

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Speaker 4: You know, outside of just like the song's really good.

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Speaker 3: It's like it's nice to plant like theories and ideas

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Speaker 4: So it's fun.

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Speaker 3: But it's like sometimes it's just like fun of it's

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Speaker 4: Like everybody's a little fucked. Everybody's like little like shady.

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Speaker 4: It makes you a flawed human being person.

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Speaker 1: And we want artists to put that into work too,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I won so, Like it's interesting this celebrity culture,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't like cool to be nice. Yeah, and then

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Speaker 4: But sometimes I'm like I see through.

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Speaker 1: Through it, and we all do. I think everything is

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Speaker 2: That like we're ahead of the game that you're.

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Speaker 4: Playing, right, and you're playing like really well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, really good team to cover shit up. But I

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Speaker 2: You I feel like you've stuck to your countiness the

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Speaker 4: Thank you. Yeah, well, I appreciate that. It's funny.

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Speaker 3: You know, like I'm never going to be horrible to someone. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And don't get me wrong, I'm sure I have my

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Speaker 4: I'll also just like tell it how it is.

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Speaker 3: And I think that gets misconstrued as being mean, but

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think this album is kind of like

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Speaker 2: about things that like are very surprising, and I'm like, oh,

444
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 2: I didn't think she would be she would have a

445
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,439
Speaker 2: song about what I think. I think about it all

446
00:20:51,440 --> 00:21:01,119
Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, yes, yeah, I remember, because what analogy.

447
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 1: It goes into the last track, and I love the

448
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,160
Speaker 1: two together because it's such a psych out like it's

449
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:10,119
Speaker 1: like you're talking about like really weighing things in your

450
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 1: in the way where you are in life, like now

451
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: is the time when I should maybe really think about

452
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: a family, if that's what I want, Like is it

453
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 1: okay with you that I think about this? Like yeah,

454
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 1: this occupies a lot of space. And then the next

455
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 1: song is keys, Yeah, and I was like, and I

456
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 1: was like, is this her answering it or is this

457
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 1: her having fun?

458
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 2: Or is it both?

459
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 3: Like it's it's not the answer, because I definitely I

460
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 3: don't think I have an answer.

461
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you have baby fever do cocaine? Is what

462
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 2: you're saying.

463
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 3: Old brand Dale's gone, that's cool, But no, I don't

464
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 3: have an answer, But I think it's an interesting question

465
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,439
Speaker 3: to muse over because I mean, do you guys have

466
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 3: many friends who have kids?

467
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 1: Our female friends are really starting. I mean, like even

468
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: in the past six to eight months, like four or

469
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 1: five of my friends I've had their Yeah, like one

470
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: of my third kid wow yeah, wow, Wow is this

471
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 1: your friend?

472
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 3: I don't have loads of friends who have kids, yeah,

473
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 3: but I had kind of one, like major friend in

474
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 3: my life who's a songwriter who had a baby. She

475
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 3: was kind of the inspiration for this song because I

476
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 3: went to her house to visit her in Stockholm with

477
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 3: her partner. They've been together for years, but they never

478
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 3: really were like we're having kids. It just kind of

479
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 3: happened for them, you know. And then it was just

480
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 3: so crazy going over to their apartment writing songs with them.

481
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 3: She's wearing the same clothes she always wore, the apartments

482
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 3: the same, they're exactly the same.

483
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 4: We're writing songs, but.

484
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 3: It's just like everything is different because she has the

485
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 3: key to this door that like, I'm not even in

486
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 3: the same room as yet do you know what I like?

487
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 2: It's almost like they now know something you don't know.

488
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: And it's that wanting that like is driving the question

489
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 1: in you exactly really interesting.

490
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 3: Exactly and it's like you don't not to say that

491
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 3: you can't you know, get the same sort of level

492
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 3: of person. I'm not saying that, but I just I think,

493
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 3: particularly like with her, for me, I was just like, wow,

494
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 3: like we used to be so similar, and now your worldview,

495
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 3: even though you're saying all the same things and you're

496
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 3: the same person, you're also just like completely different because

497
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 3: you have this new perspective that I can't even really

498
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 3: begin to understand.

499
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and it's just strange.

500
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 2: But does it not give you some comfort that like

501
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 2: she she is wearing the same clothes, nothing about her.

502
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely no, No, it's totally comforting. But then it's at

503
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 3: the same time it's just like, I mean missing out,

504
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 3: like and I think for me, it drives me to

505
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 3: this place of like, do I want kids? Will I

506
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 3: feel this new lease of life and this whole new

507
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 3: world open up if I have kids? Will I feel

508
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 3: resentment towards the kid? Will I seamlessly be able to

509
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 3: do both thing, Yeah, exactly the way that I want

510
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 3: to know, Probably not unless I like kind of disregard.

511
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: The kid, like you want to do an amazing job

512
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: at both, And so I would also if I were

513
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 1: in that position. I don't I'll ever have children, but

514
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: if I were, really, if it was something that was

515
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: on my mind, I would worry that it would like harm.

516
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: My passion and like what I know I'm supposed.

517
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: To do, you know what I mean, Like, is it

518
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 1: going to change the way that I relate to myself

519
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 1: as like this person who like in your cases, out

520
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: there creating and like being this like pop idol And

521
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: then I don't know, like it would it would change

522
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: a lot, Like you don't know that you're going to

523
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: be exactly like your friend wearing the same ship talking

524
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: about the same ship. For some people it really changes time.

525
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: But I feel like you have already been through a

526
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 2: situation where everything was taken from you in some sense

527
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 2: with lockdown, Like your response to that was like I'm

528
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: feeling now. I feel like like in a big life

529
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 2: change situation like that, you already kind of I'm not

530
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 2: saying what happened exactly that way, but you already know

531
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: that like your response would be to like keep making true.

532
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's pretty interesting. I never thought of it like that.

533
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, connecting dots. Last time I saw you was at

534
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: SNL and at the Good Nights You were like what's

535
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 2: going on after? And I was like, there's a horse

536
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 2: meat disco?

537
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: And then I almost did you go?

538
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 2: I went after you didn't miss much? That was that

539
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: we love horse meat, you know.

540
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 3: I mean you know this because you do it. But

541
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 3: it's it's a lot of it, it's a lot of energy.

542
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 3: It's late.

543
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 2: Is it's late, but like the boiler room set looks

544
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: fucking that's late.

545
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 4: But it's I mean, this is like, because when do

546
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 4: you end one?

547
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: One?

548
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 4: And then and then you go to the funny Mexican restaurant?

549
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 2: Where was it Rose in Mexico?

550
00:25:59,600 --> 00:25:59,959
Speaker 1: Mexico?

551
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:01,959
Speaker 4: What is okay?

552
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 2: We rotate, We rotate restaurants.

553
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 4: Why isn't it okay the same place? Why isn't it

554
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 4: just a better place?

555
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: You know what? You really roll the dice and you can't.

556
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: But like sometimes I'm like, where are were going? And

557
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: it's either a fuck yes or a calm on?

558
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 4: But has it it has been a yeah? And they

559
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 4: would I went Rose Mexicans.

560
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 2: Mexicano was oscar Isaac.

561
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 4: And I mean I had fun, but I had fun.

562
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: You had a margarita, but it was funny and you

563
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: described it as a funny restaurant, and it is a

564
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 2: very funny restaurant. It's hilarious. And we love Rose Mexicanos

565
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: so much. We love them, we love them, but we

566
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: want a table tonight. Randel's gone. My brand deal with

567
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 2: was Mexicanos gone. But I like Charlie famous, but.

568
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 4: Surely it's not a budget thing.

569
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: It kind of like it's getting all the slash. I know,

570
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: budget you need to come back when the party is

571
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: at loving you at Sacks, It's it's chic, there's there's

572
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: room to walk around. But Harley famously was the musical

573
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: guest during the Omicron episode.

574
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: Where everyone was fun right, well.

575
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: Can I say can I reveal? Like on the monitors

576
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 2: on Thursday, like all the writers were fucking screaming because

577
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 2: it was like, oh my god, it's like Caroline politics here,

578
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 2: Christine's here, they're doing new shapes and then like we

579
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: the world missed out on like the three of you

580
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 2: being on the same stage on TV.

581
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 4: Doing it was that was crazy.

582
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: Gradually.

583
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 4: That was crazy.

584
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 3: Also because yeah, I guess we never did that performance

585
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 3: that was we had.

586
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 4: We were on a did you see a sound check?

587
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 3: We're on a spinning platform, so cool and like I

588
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: love Caroline and Christine, but my gosh, that it was crazy,

589
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 3: like because guys go crazy on it. It was like

590
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 3: Caroline wanted the platform to spin one way, one speed,

591
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 3: Christine wanted to spin.

592
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 4: The other way. I was like, I don't care what

593
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 4: platform COVID. It was just like so stressful. Yea, it

594
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 4: was just like a lot. And then we finally figured out.

595
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 3: We were so feeling so good about it, were like

596
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,120
Speaker 3: dancing on the platform.

597
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 4: And falling over.

598
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 3: We like we fucking killed it. And then we're literally

599
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,959
Speaker 3: we were in like we were getting ready like and

600
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 3: then on that Saturday, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I was

601
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 3: in gum and then Caroline was like, it's not happening.

602
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 4: I was like, what do you mean You're not coming

603
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 4: and she was like no, it's like it's.

604
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: They pulled the plug on it.

605
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that happened entirely.

606
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 4: Well not my meatball sketch, thank god.

607
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 2: Played a meatball. But that was that was show was it?

608
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 2: That was That was the second show. That was the

609
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 2: time you came back.

610
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 3: Oh, I got a chicken, chicken, I was. I did

611
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 3: some pre take sketch you were you were you were

612
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 3: a chicken.

613
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 2: To repair it, you were a parrot. You were a parrot.

614
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was kind of like, oh, well, at

615
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 3: least I kept that.

616
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 4: It was like me and me and Paul.

617
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: It was Paul.

618
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

619
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a good one though, to play chicken with Paul.

620
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: That's so SNL called it.

621
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.

622
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: It's like I went on the sketch comedy. Yeah, I was, Ah,

623
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: I was chicken in the meatball.

624
00:28:58,800 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: But then you were.

625
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: But then this can show you did baby, and then

626
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 2: what did you did?

627
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 4: Beg for you?

628
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh my god. Rena wasn't there.

629
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 4: For Rena was not there.

630
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: But speaking of Santas holds a very special place in

631
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: my heart because that was where I was when Crash

632
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: came out, the whole album, and I like, it was

633
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: just me in a room listening to that whole album.

634
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: Went to the Tory were fantastic, and I still say

635
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: that that is the most well behaved audience because it's

636
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: these lovely boys and girls just jump up and down.

637
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: No one's like throwing elbows in the pit, you know

638
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: what I mean, everyone like watches their and the sod.

639
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 4: They're polite. The angels are polite.

640
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 2: But with this, do you want them to get a

641
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: little a little bit more came.

642
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 3: I always want them to get chaotic, like whenever they

643
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: You know, I'm lucky because whenever I bump into like

644
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 3: a mass group of angels, they're very like sweet, you know,

645
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 3: they like wait in line and they like have the

646
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 3: lids off their sharpie like organized.

647
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love it. Yeah.

648
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 4: It's never like like a ship show.

649
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

650
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I saw this TikTok of Paris.

651
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 3: Hilton had done like a signing, yeah, and it had

652
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 3: got a little hectic and someone had like drawn on

653
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: her like chanel.

654
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 4: Bag, and I was just like that. I mean, I'm.

655
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: Sure there's like not in your class.

656
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 3: There's lots more where it came from, but that is

657
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 3: really like, that's such a bummer.

658
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 4: That would never happen with the angel.

659
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: Not on your blue.

660
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 3: Bana in it always I always travel. I brought a

661
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 3: banana here, left it on the plane.

662
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: You did you have my favorite? What's my bag? Because

663
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 2: you have the banana, you have the line and you

664
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: have the barrito. Is it the true emotion? No? No, no, No,

665
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: that's that's no. What is it? I just mixed emotion.

666
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: You and I have the same fragrance.

667
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm wearing lat too Leap today. It's a new

668
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 4: I haven't done it before, a.

669
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: Thing like I've switched and it's just like, what are

670
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: you on? I am on Delos dose from by Radio.

671
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 4: Okay, I have that.

672
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: I will say.

673
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: Bow and Yang really tried to get me into Sunday

674
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: cologne and that was not for me.

675
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: It's called as well. It's called Sunday.

676
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 3: Yes, Sunday something rainy Sunday. No, that's much I think

677
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: about Sunday. It's just called Sunday Sunday.

678
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: I found Santos and I actually was wearing It.

679
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: Had its debut at Coachella on me, and I felt

680
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: very good by the way. You didn't You didn't say me,

681
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: but I saw you.

682
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: Last year that went off.

683
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: People were getting people were getting fun, roudy, it was fun.

684
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 4: How was Coachella this year?

685
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: I tell this was fucking great. But makes an appearance

686
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: in the Mean Girls song.

687
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 3: Yes she does because because hot girls listen.

688
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: To me, girls listen to true It's true.

689
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 3: I feel like any cool, like genuinely cool girl not

690
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: only like likes Solanad, but like understands like the law

691
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 3: like Lana.

692
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 4: Yes, in a really deep way.

693
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's totally real. She really is something symbolic for something. Yeah. Yes.

694
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: When I was hearing that song, I was like, I

695
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: see this girl. Yeah, yeah, you see her.

696
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, she like smoke skinny cigarette and being being she's

697
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 3: a little le Yes, she's a little bit like she's.

698
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 4: Got a vocal, fry vocal.

699
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: But it doesn't feel dated. It feels very good on her.

700
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: Dating and I will say being at Coachella around seventy

701
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: five thousand of those girls was a good vibe cool.

702
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: And I wasn't sure about her doing the Friday night

703
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: because I felt like that should be a party. Like

704
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: in my head, I was like switch Dojah and Lana,

705
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: put Lana on Sunday night, Dojah will get everything started.

706
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: And then now having seen it, I'm like, everything was

707
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: exactly everything.

708
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, did you go?

709
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: I didn't go. He's never been, never been what people

710
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: do with your music, though, I think like, if we're

711
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: gonna compare Laana heads to like Angels and people like

712
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: really like love you I feel like you get people

713
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: to like do the digging of like oh my god,

714
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: like it's this there's this whole album that you know,

715
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: like they really start to like dig through the crate.

716
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: And I think people love to like take your stuff,

717
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 2: all the stems, whatever and then just like re arrange

718
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: it and like they have fun with the building blocks

719
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: that you're giving.

720
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think my music is like

721
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 4: intrinsically like for the night.

722
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: Yes, you know.

723
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 3: I mean you can listen to it in the day,

724
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 3: you can it in the car like whatever, but generally

725
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 3: it's like the best night time.

726
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: I remember, like I saw you at the will Turn

727
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: a few years ago, and just what was happening on

728
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: stage was so great and one of my favorite songs

729
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: of yours is I Don't Want to Know, and like

730
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: I just like you had this like really cool purple

731
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: light just like I don't know, just like you're not

732
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: like synesthetic, are you?

733
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 4: I am?

734
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: I could tell Yeah, So someone like got into your

735
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: face was like you're not actually no, no, I.

736
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 3: Just it's like one of those things where you know,

737
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 3: like when you do your first interviews and it's like

738
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 3: one of the first things you've ever said and then I.

739
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: Like it's because people are like she's synesthetic, test her,

740
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: but you actually do experience.

741
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, And for me it's like really helpful with writing. Yeah,

742
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 3: when I'm writing, I'm like, this song is purple like,

743
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 3: and then I'll be like, hey, gee, you make the

744
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 3: purple stuff.

745
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you this question about like, when

746
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: you sit down to write a song, is it like

747
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: because it feels like equal parts important and obviously it is,

748
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: but I guess my question is is it the sound

749
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: and like where you're going silically that dictates what something

750
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: is going to be about, or do you come in

751
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: with an emotion that you need to get up?

752
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 3: With this record, it's been very much that I came

753
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 3: in with what I wanted to say, whereas on previous

754
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 3: records it's not actually really been like this.

755
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 4: With this record, it's been so lyrically.

756
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 3: Led, Like I've been like I want to write a

757
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: song about my kind of sticky relationship with my mom

758
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: and dad, which is apple, or like I want to

759
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 3: write the song about not being sure if I want

760
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: to have kids, or you know, like it's been very

761
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 3: very like it's there, it's in my head, like mean

762
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 3: girls kind of like piecing that around like a few

763
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 3: different girls I know, and thinking about like qualities that

764
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 3: they have and putting that in a song three sixty.

765
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: Look and your book NDS are there, It's thanks. Yeah.

766
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 3: And with that it was very like, Okay, I want

767
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 3: to talk about me like being the like a sonic

768
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 3: reference for people, but through the like lens of Julia

769
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 3: kind of being the like New York like it girl,

770
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 3: street fashion girl that everybody's referencing, you.

771
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: Know, Julia Fox mean yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

772
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 3: So it was like very specific and then kind of

773
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 3: fun to build out these like pop songs that hopefully

774
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: like a lot of people can relate to, but they're

775
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 3: coming from like quite a specific idea right in place.

776
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: And why do you think it didn't happen with the

777
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: other albums. It just like wasn't the way it was.

778
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 3: I think I was writing very much like the way

779
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: I would write on previous records. We would build a

780
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: track and then I would get on the microphone and

781
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: literally be.

782
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: Like and then figure out and then I would.

783
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 3: Figure out the lyrics that fit the vowel sounds I

784
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 3: was kind of making. So there was already this sort

785
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: of like map of sound that you know, I was

786
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 3: trying to fit words.

787
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: To you're saying, this is lyrically.

788
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 4: Where lyrically left, and not really focusing too much.

789
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 3: On rhyme or worrying about like what fits within a

790
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: stanza or anything like that. You know. So actually, just

791
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 3: I was really able to kind of just write lyrics

792
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: that I would actually say in a conversation rather than

793
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 3: crafting them into this sort of like song version of

794
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: what I would.

795
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: Say, and even like melodically in the way that like

796
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: the song forms around as like even with girls so confusing,

797
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: it's girl, you know what I mean, Like there's something

798
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: there that's the melody, like the way you really sound

799
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: like I want to do this, you know what I mean?

800
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: Like you know, it's just like it feels like it's

801
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: born out of something you want to say this time,

802
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: and to hear that you say that is.

803
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it works back on this thing of like I

804
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: think this is like extremely transparent in the way and

805
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 2: it is like holding up this mirror because like the

806
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 2: Warshack test of this album is the cover and everyone

807
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 2: having all these opinions about like the right and it's

808
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: in your and I think you kind of threw a

809
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: back of people in a nice way where you're like, no,

810
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: this is actually like this completely reveals what you think

811
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: like pop really should appear and how they should put

812
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 2: out their work and stuff like that, which I think

813
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,959
Speaker 2: is great. But I think with the content of the album,

814
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 2: it's more about like guys, like I think about like

815
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: crazy dark shit about like my career. I'm not putting

816
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: words in your mouth, but it's like, I think it

817
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: is your most vulnerable album because you are being very

818
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: honest about like how you regard yourself in a way

819
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: that would have never occurred to me, you know what

820
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 2: I mean. Like there are allusions to like your career

821
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: being in this in between and I'm like, oh, like

822
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: six albums in like you feel that way, yeah, totally.

823
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 3: Well, I just it's I think there aren't many people

824
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: who have a path that I have that there are,

825
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 3: Robin being one, and I think that's why there's a

826
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 3: lot of like synergy between the two of us. But

827
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 3: you know, somebody who had speaking about Robin now huge

828
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 3: commercial success right at the beginning of her career and

829
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: then kind of had to like rebrand and then became

830
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 3: this kind of gay icon, kind of.

831
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 4: Like Girl of the Night.

832
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,479
Speaker 1: No that sounds wrong, but you know, like.

833
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: Nighttime music like club like always no matter what she does,

834
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 3: is always going to be kind of like looked upon

835
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 3: as like a really important artist who's kind of like

836
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 3: treading new ground and you know, kind of like timeless.

837
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, we share similarities in that,

838
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 3: you know, not my first music, but music for my

839
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 3: second record was globally like commercially successful.

840
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 4: But at that point of time, for.

841
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 3: Me, I didn't really have my artistry kind of totally

842
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 3: figured out in the way that I feel that I

843
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 3: do have now. I mean, there were definitely like good

844
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 3: through threads, but when I look at for example, like

845
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 3: sour Olivia Rodriguez, I'm like, oh, I wish i'd done

846
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 3: succer kind of like that, like because I think there

847
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 3: are parallels within those universes. But I think she just

848
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: did it better because I think she I don't know,

849
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: I don't think I knew myself that well at that

850
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 3: point in time when I was doing that record, and

851
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 3: I look at some of the decisions she made and

852
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh wow, it's like still really like pop

853
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 3: and kind of like touching on this like live like

854
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: punkish stuff. Yeah, but it's done in a way that

855
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 3: to me is still very cool. Whereas I feel like

856
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 3: when I look back on Soccer there are elements of

857
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 3: it there.

858
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, that's just a bit annoying shing, you

859
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 4: know what I mean.

860
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 2: I've told you though, that like True Romance is still

861
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: the perfect I don't know how you feel about that album,

862
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: but it's like I feel like that is still for Charlie.

863
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 2: That is still like that's the through throughout, that's the yeah,

864
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 2: And like I still listen to So Far Away and

865
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is fundamentally the same stuff she's putting it,

866
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: she's put out through her whole career, and like that

867
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 2: is like music of the Night where it's like the

868
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: beginnings of like bedroom pop, this whole thing now that

869
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: has this whole you know, life and culture around it.

870
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: Like I think you really broke ground in that way

871
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 2: with it, Like yeah, Sucker is its own thing, and

872
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 2: that must have been so strange and so complicated, but

873
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: it's still a great record, the True Romance. I think

874
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: it's still like you you can always always fall back

875
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: on that first record is like.

876
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that record.

877
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: I love that record.

878
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, anyways, I think it's like, it's just interesting.

879
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 3: My career hasn't been like a to be it's been

880
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: like kind of it's like a weird jp qat and

881
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 3: it's like stradla this like commercial thing, also being a songwriter,

882
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 3: also being linked to the underground, disregarding that and coming

883
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 3: back and.

884
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 4: It's a mess.

885
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: It's not a mess. It's that I think.

886
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 4: I'm sure you nice way Yeah, yeah, yeah.

887
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 2: People don't have that trajector anymore because we're so afree

888
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: to take the risk, whether from the label or from

889
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: the artists themselves. Like I think you have been so

890
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: good about using whatever the apparatus is, whatever you have

891
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: within you to just like make it. Like that's like

892
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: that's how I'm feeling now. Is to me, it's like, yeah,

893
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: you just fucking made it, you know what I mean?

894
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: You have had these like when you describe it as

895
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: a mess. It is interesting because it's like there's these

896
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: spikes of like these mainstream moments, like going back to

897
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: like boom Clap like that, being in like love Simon.

898
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, like that was like but I guess that's what

899
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 5: it's like.

900
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 2: That kind of was our faulty.

901
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: They were still gay though, but like that, and then

902
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: I remember it was a few years ago now, but

903
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: we were in the Fire Island movie and when we

904
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: found out that the Boys remix was going to be

905
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: in our trailer, yeah, so cool. I was like, thank god,

906
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: because this is going to get across like the fun

907
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: of this. It's going to make it seem even more

908
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: fun than it is. Like and also just like there

909
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: was something about doesn't that song also start promising young women?

910
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: Like so it's just like there are these like moments

911
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: in like big mainstream that like you're right there, and

912
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: so I wonder how do you feel when something is

913
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: perceived on that level? Is that like an exciting thing

914
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: or it is a little bit like.

915
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 4: No, no, I feel good about it.

916
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, I think because there are some things

917
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 3: you mentioned that so like Fire Island promising young women,

918
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: those things feel really exciting to me and inspiring and

919
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 3: happy to be involved in them. But I think it's

920
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: like what I've learned, like going back and forth between

921
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 3: this kind of like more commercial version of myself to

922
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 3: this kind of more I'm really just leading with like

923
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 3: what's in my brain and my you know, instinct. I've

924
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: just learned now from doing it so long. I can't

925
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 3: like fake. I just can't like fake pushing the commercial

926
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 3: button like I.

927
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: Cock a Cole.

928
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 2: I can't do it.

929
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: I can't like And that's no disrespect to the people

930
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 3: who do. Some people are just like made to like

931
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: live in that world and like they want to make

932
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 3: the music that it's going to like really succeed in

933
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: that world.

934
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 4: And it's really hard to succeed in that world.

935
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 3: Like I'm not taking that away from anyone, but like,

936
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: I just can't do it because when I've written those

937
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: songs and I put them out, it's like they only

938
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 3: go so far because I think there's a block that

939
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 3: the fans see as well.

940
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 4: They're just like, she's not that girl. Like that's not

941
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 4: who she is. She's not that girl.

942
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 3: Like some of them can, like maybe a less hardcore

943
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: fan can get down with it, but it's like, you know,

944
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 3: it's just like when you smell a rat or whatever.

945
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 3: It's like, I have to just be yourself myself.

946
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: Something in the milk ain't clean. Yes, when you're not

947
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: being yourself, and I can't fucking nor should you have to.

948
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 4: I can't do because it makes me miserable.

949
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: You have to sing that music every night.

950
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: I think it was Dua who said we were just

951
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: talking to her about her album and she we were

952
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: talking about this like theme that she has of like positivity,

953
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 1: and the messages that she has are usually like up

954
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: and she's like, well, I have to sing it every

955
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: fucking night, So if it's gonna be something that's in

956
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: my mouth every single night, it better tastes good, like

957
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

958
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 4: Like it's so funny because I'm the opposite.

959
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: Of Yeah, really, if I had to sing.

960
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 3: Really overly positives like boom clap is a good example. Obviously,

961
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 3: it's so different from like radical optimism, like completely different

962
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: sounding records, et cetera. But like that's funny that she

963
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: says that, and that makes sense for her because she

964
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: is I think she is always really kind of like

965
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 3: seizing like the positivity in life.

966
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 4: I kind of like to dwell in the kind of

967
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 4: like sit in the ship.

968
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: And externalize that because that is also a valid emotion

969
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: that people out there.

970
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 4: I have to do it, I could. Yeah, that's so

971
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 4: that's really interesting.

972
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but like I feel that this is like

973
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: just like like.

974
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 3: It's kind like a vision of like me performing radical optimism.

975
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 3: And doing brat like three six.

976
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 4: Five Putty Girl and then me doing and like both

977
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 4: of us.

978
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 3: Like being on our like the versions of what those

979
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 3: tours are.

980
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: And I want to see that how is that?

981
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 4: How is how's it going down?

982
00:45:58,520 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: This is?

983
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: But this is how you know that? Like you're doing

984
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: the right thing?

985
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: Is that?

986
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 2: Like you like we love Dua. It would be crazy

987
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: if she did three sixty and it would be kind

988
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: of crazy if you did Radical Optimists. It's like you

989
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 2: are doing the thing you were meant to do. It

990
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 2: is purely externalized from whatever your inner life is. And

991
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: I feel like you're what you're saying is maybe the

992
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: pendulum stops swinging, like you've landed in this nice space

993
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 2: of like I'm in between or I'm more of this

994
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: one thing than I am this thing, And like I

995
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: feel like reflective surfaces are a big part of this album.

996
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: That you look at the mirror, you see me like

997
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: and you're holding up a mirror to society? Am I being?

998
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: So you went the reflective surface motif, but like use it.

999
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 2: Use it like a mirror, like a mirror. We gotta

1000
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: ask Charlie the question, Yes we do. So this is

1001
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: the central question of lost culture. It's what was the

1002
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: culture that made you say culture is for you. You

1003
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: can look back and be like, I am largely.

1004
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: Me because of this thing I experienced.

1005
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 3: I think think it was and maybe this is not.

1006
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 3: It was very surprising, but I think it was like

1007
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 3: the London rave scene and that like culture of like

1008
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 3: London warehouse parties that I kind of came up through

1009
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 3: because that sort of in turn put me very onto

1010
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 3: kind of.

1011
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 4: Like club kids stuff.

1012
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 3: When I was younger and when I was in art school,

1013
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: I was always kind of like in this sort of

1014
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 3: like Lee Bowery like inspired like Michael allc kind of

1015
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 3: still there's a core scene. Yeah, like those parties like

1016
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 3: that level of yes, totally and that level of kind

1017
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 3: of like DIY aesthetic with clothes and music and yeah.

1018
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 4: I think that really formed who I am.

1019
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 2: You find it.

1020
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 3: I think it was from starting going to these parties

1021
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 3: because when the must have been like two thousand and

1022
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 3: seven and eight, when I was going in London, I

1023
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 3: was young.

1024
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 4: I would go with my parents, Oh wow, which was

1025
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 4: not cool.

1026
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: Were you guys like in Essex going to Yeah?

1027
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they would drive me.

1028
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 3: I would get asked ahead of my space and I

1029
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 3: knew this like promoter who was like come and play

1030
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 3: and we would like drive into London and I would

1031
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 3: play at like three am.

1032
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: You being booked for these yeah.

1033
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 4: It was being booked. Yeah.

1034
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 3: And that was kind of my first like look into

1035
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 3: kind of night life and like party culture.

1036
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 4: And at that point in time, I guess it was

1037
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 4: like our version of Indie Sleeves was it was New Rave, which.

1038
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: Was like you know for sure.

1039
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so that was sort of like a kind

1040
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 3: of regurgitation of you know, all the prior like first

1041
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 3: second wave of club kids that were coming before. So

1042
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 3: I kind of just got sort of like sucked in

1043
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 3: through that way.

1044
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: But and then you learned about the prior wave that

1045
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: felt like education. There was some like rooting for this.

1046
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 2: It wasn't like it just kind of came about of nowhere,

1047
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: like you had a history to like, yeah, I had to.

1048
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 3: I had to soak in the history because I wanted

1049
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 3: to understand like what Michael Atlck was doing and what

1050
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 3: like that original like club scene and like those club

1051
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 3: kids were doing back here in New York and those

1052
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 3: levels of like crazy parties they would throw like they

1053
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 3: threw one on a bridge where all they like shut

1054
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 3: both ends of the bridge and like you know, just

1055
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 3: this like lore of like partying and how that kind

1056
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 3: of like spawned into music and then began to kind

1057
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 3: of create like new sounds of music.

1058
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 4: I think that it's like such a rich thing for me.

1059
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, like like you like at the Limelight would have

1060
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: been so fucking kind.

1061
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 4: Imagine, yea wild imagine.

1062
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: But that's where do you live now?

1063
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 2: Do you? Do you still like.

1064
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 4: I'm half in LA and half in London?

1065
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and forth back and forth La. Or do you

1066
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: like it?

1067
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 3: I am beginning to maybe be over it.

1068
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 4: I've been there for ten years.

1069
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: That feels like that feels like double yeah, the amount

1070
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 1: of time it would take.

1071
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: Ye over it?

1072
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm thinking about New York.

1073
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: Actually, I think New York.

1074
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 4: I lived here.

1075
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 1: I think I think New York is New York and London.

1076
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: Like I guess, like if you were someone who wanted

1077
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: two different experiences in the two places you live, Like

1078
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: I'm here because I want to rest, meaning LA, and

1079
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,959
Speaker 1: I'm here because I want to be included in what's

1080
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: going on in like the culture that's London, but like

1081
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: New York is New York.

1082
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do love rest in New York. I do

1083
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: love London too. Did you love performing at Coachella?

1084
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 4: I was, honestly so scarce.

1085
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: Was it scary, yeah, because.

1086
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 4: You know with.

1087
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and everyone was like it's all about the live stream.

1088
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 3: Everyone's like about the live strain. So that made me

1089
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 3: kind of treat them on like TV.

1090
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 2: Oh got hopeful.

1091
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: Now.

1092
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 3: Well, I was happy with how it looked and how

1093
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 3: I sounded because I was thinking so much about the

1094
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 3: all cars.

1095
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 4: But it definitely like was just stressful.

1096
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 2: That was a major It was a major change.

1097
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: So I remember we saw Chapel in the Gobi tent

1098
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 1: and then right after that we walked over to Saprina

1099
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: Carpenter on the Coachella stage, and I remember it felt

1100
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: like the energy was lower. But then I was like, oh,

1101
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: but on this stage they're thinking about the live stream,

1102
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: whereas in like the Golby and Sahara tents, they're just

1103
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: giving a live show and it feels like that. Like,

1104
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: so the live experience does feel I would imagine, like

1105
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: more alive there and maybe as the performer, it feels

1106
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: more connected, whereas like on the Coachella stage where you were,

1107
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: it is a lot about like they're watching at home.

1108
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was scary.

1109
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's okay. I mean.

1110
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: I was having the best.

1111
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 2: You used to do these like videos, these little short

1112
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 2: films of him like teaching you how to like have tea.

1113
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 2: Like he was just so adorable people don't talk about

1114
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 2: with Lee. Barry is like, yeah, it's like the looks

1115
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 2: and all these things, but it's like at his heart,

1116
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:10,959
Speaker 2: he was just like sensitive Australian, right, Australian, Australian. I'm

1117
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: confused it as a bread but you know, maybe maybe

1118
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 2: you're right.

1119
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 4: Maybe you're right.

1120
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 2: Now we can't look it up. I hope you're both.

1121
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 2: I hope you're both wrong. But like, did it take you?

1122
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 2: Like was there a developmental thing for you to like

1123
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: grow up in that and then be like I'm gonna

1124
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,479
Speaker 2: like do you like, I'm gonna make this like part

1125
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 2: of me.

1126
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 4: I don't think it was a choice, you know.

1127
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 3: I think it's like it just I gravitated so hard

1128
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 3: towards it. I think it was like I saw elements

1129
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 3: of myself in what was being created in the worlds

1130
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 3: that I was looking into.

1131
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 4: There was there was like.

1132
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 3: A punkness and like a kind of freeeness, and it

1133
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: felt that there was like a possibility to be a

1134
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,479
Speaker 3: little messy and not perfect and not look a certain

1135
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 3: type of a way to still be able to express

1136
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 3: yourself and feel really like validated or something. And I

1137
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 3: think I was searching for that a lot when I

1138
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 3: was growing.

1139
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: Up, and that that could be a version of success

1140
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: is just going there and participating and being in the

1141
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: culture and being around people that make you feel good

1142
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: and not this like more calculated metric of like, well

1143
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: did this happen? Did you look like this right?

1144
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 4: And be rewarded for being a freak?

1145
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 3: I think that was I think that was something that

1146
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 3: really like made me like gravitate towards that world, because

1147
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 3: that was what was like celebrated, like if you were

1148
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 3: like really like wearing something.

1149
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 4: Like weird or like you know what I mean.

1150
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 2: Or like you got attention, you got like.

1151
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, I was like, Oh, that's cool.

1152
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 3: Like you don't have to be this kind of traditional

1153
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: version of beauty or talent or like whatever it is.

1154
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 3: It's that you can kind of make a fantasy and

1155
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 3: it be valid even if it's like a little fucked

1156
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 3: and ugly, you know, or whatever.

1157
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 2: That's your route though, Like that's why it's like you

1158
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about being like the moral model

1159
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 2: for anything. It's like just like let that ship go

1160
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 2: because you started out in this like environment where like

1161
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 2: it didn't really matter. Like nightlife culture is about like

1162
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 2: unrepressed everything. It's it's just like humanity revealing itself and

1163
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 2: being so like.

1164
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: I love it, you know what I mean?

1165
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 4: I love it. It's so interesting.

1166
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 2: Have you done Mighty Hooplo?

1167
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: Have been to Mighty Hoop?

1168
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 4: I don't don't know that.

1169
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 2: Something's like big queer, Like.

1170
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: It's like a queer that idline four times? What's that?

1171
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 3: There's a park that's like Victoria, I haven't done it.

1172
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: You haven't done it, no problem, but it's like it's

1173
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 2: like a teeny tiny coach but in London with all

1174
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 2: queer like Jason's. That's so.

1175
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: It's fucked in a crazy way.

1176
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,240
Speaker 2: Excited for to I am.

1177
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: Have you guys been wanting to tour together? It feels

1178
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 1: like such a natural.

1179
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we have the same manager. Our manager

1180
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 3: has been trying to get us to talk together for years,

1181
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 3: and every time we're like, yeah, like obviously we love

1182
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 3: each other, but I think the music has never quite

1183
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 3: lined up.

1184
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 4: And now it's like so lining up.

1185
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 3: You know. So this time when our manager like for

1186
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 3: like literally the fifth time, was like, do you guys

1187
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 3: want to talk together? We were like, yeah, we do

1188
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 3: because it really made sense and we could see how

1189
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 3: it would really like flow and work together.

1190
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so sung together.

1191
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 4: I think.

1192
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 3: So we're to be honest, we're still putting it together,

1193
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 3: but I think.

1194
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 4: That, yes, it's what people eat.

1195
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's going to be

1196
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 3: like a full Medley situation, but there's definitely going to

1197
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 3: be a few moments you go together.

1198
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did see you guys. I think it was

1199
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: also at the World Turn like ys ago, you guys

1200
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: were on the same shows that.

1201
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 2: I did it artists.

1202
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a festival that I think we both

1203
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 3: did together.

1204
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I remember just thinking and I forget.

1205
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 3: Festival that maybe was Troy's invention, but maybe it was also.

1206
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 4: Mind but I don't remember.

1207
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: He totally did Peers every year he did.

1208
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, well it's gonna be it's gonna be.

1209
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: Wait, people were freaking out, yes, situation, which.

1210
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 2: Is always a good feeling when it's like together, I know.

1211
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, we're so happy, We're really happy. It's gonna

1212
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 3: be fun.

1213
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:37,240
Speaker 4: It's like pretty quick.

1214
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 2: Huh, I don't It's like a couple of months, right,

1215
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 2: It's like.

1216
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 4: Not even is it like five weeks?

1217
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 2: Okay, where is it in New York? Is that ms

1218
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 2: G y M?

1219
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 4: Obviously would It's gonna be really fun.

1220
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 2: And you know I paid top dollar for you, like

1221
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 2: I don't think anymore.

1222
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh fine, I'll take it.

1223
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 2: I'll take it.

1224
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: I did hear a story one time of I won't

1225
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: say any details until after, but there was an artist

1226
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,720
Speaker 1: who was in a big feud with this other famous person,

1227
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: and the famous person reached out like years after to

1228
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: like get tickets to a show, and the person just

1229
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: sent back a ticket link and said buy one.

1230
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 4: I love.

1231
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 2: All right, So it's time.

1232
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 4: For I don't think so okay you're doing and.

1233
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: I just know you're gonna pop the off.

1234
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: So this is this is our sixty second segment where

1235
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: we drag name cultural item.

1236
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:42,959
Speaker 2: Here.

1237
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: I walked into this myself today. Uh it's my own fault,

1238
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: but I am gonna okay. Here we are.

1239
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 2: There's some self accountability. Yes it is Matt Rogers. I

1240
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 2: don't think so some of these time starts, I don't think so.

1241
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: Honey wearing a graphic tea on the subway, because here's

1242
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: the thing. People are gonna read it, and then they

1243
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: were gonna engage with it, and then you're trapped with

1244
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: them for what could be as much as a half hour.

1245
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: So today I have a shirt on that says, is

1246
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: it gonna be a threesome? I'm challengers coded my whole

1247
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: life right now. This is merch from Focused Features, Thank

1248
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: you again, Driveway Dolls and for Driveaway Dolls. I haven't

1249
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: seen it yet, but Wade's sister, I just know that

1250
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: I was on the subway today with a gentleman who

1251
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: could read the shirt and did out loud, and so

1252
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: then he was engaging with it. He caused everyone to

1253
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: turn and I said, you know what, maybe if I

1254
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: hadn't worn a shirt with words on it that could

1255
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,919
Speaker 1: be read, I wouldn't be having a conversation at all,

1256
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: least of all about threesomes. And this person was not

1257
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: necessarily someone I wanted to engage with about threesomes. If

1258
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: you know, if you see me wearing this and you

1259
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: think we would vibe, I don't know, maybe I will

1260
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: be wearing it the whole rest of today. This episode

1261
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: comes out in like three weeks, but I'll wear it again. Actually, yes,

1262
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: the day this episode is released, I'm gonna be walking

1263
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: the streets and you're wearing it. Say hi, but not

1264
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: if you're like a crazy person on the subway.

1265
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 2: And that's one minute. So that's my ole thing on today.

1266
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 4: That is so good. Thank you.

1267
00:58:59,120 --> 00:58:59,959
Speaker 2: You're gonna be so good.

1268
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: We all we all know you talk super fast? Do

1269
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: I recording media? You you go, So let me tell

1270
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: you something.

1271
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 4: Like in a way now, I'm like, do you know

1272
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, you mean in song?

1273
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: I'm just saying your we know you can get on,

1274
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: you can hit.

1275
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 2: You can rip. You know what I mean?

1276
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 4: In that way? Is that like a problems?

1277
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Everyone everyone's saying about Charlie's They're like, yeah, she

1278
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: just talks too fast, and I just wish it wasn't

1279
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 2: so fast. I'm just kidding.

1280
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying, like, I've heard the album and

1281
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: I know that I know that you can keep up

1282
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: the tempo.

1283
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 4: I understand.

1284
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: Speaking of tempo, you're ready to fucking do this? Yeah, okay,

1285
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: so this is villain yangs. I don't think so, honey.

1286
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: As time starts now, I.

1287
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 2: Don't think so, honey, pubic hair. Why is it looking

1288
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 2: different down there than up here? I look like miss

1289
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 2: Frizzle got ade job. I'm curly, curly, curly, and I

1290
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 2: wish I could get a perm up here and make

1291
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 2: my give my if a little swoop. My pubic hair

1292
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:03,919
Speaker 2: is so tightly coiled down there, and when you see

1293
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 2: it on the bathroom floor, you go, oh, I'm that

1294
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 2: is not something I want to see. And it's if

1295
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 2: you're living alone like me, it's just you. I don't

1296
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 2: like how I don't like it. I don't like what

1297
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 2: it says about me. I think pubic hair like either

1298
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 2: when you have it, it's like, oh, let's let's shear it,

1299
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 2: and then when you don't have it, it's like sheer, Well,

1300
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 2: now you look like a fucking mole. Rap, there's no

1301
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 2: in between. Second, why can't we just stay there? And

1302
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 2: I'm as sure as helling laser removing it, because it's

1303
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 2: like because like I said, if it's gone, it looks

1304
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 2: even crazier than if it is. A five seconds so

1305
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 2: it's a jungle and I have a really crazy situation.

1306
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 2: I don't know why it's different down there. It's in

1307
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 2: body hair all supposed to be the same. And that's

1308
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:44,959
Speaker 2: one minute.

1309
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: You're the only person I believe in history to say

1310
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: you wish what was down there, You wish your pubic

1311
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: hair was on your head.

1312
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 2: I just wanted to go both ways. If my hair

1313
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 2: on my head looked pubic, I'd be like, well, at

1314
01:00:58,320 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 2: least it's consistent.

1315
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: This is so shocking, first of all, laser hair removal

1316
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: on your pubic area and asshole, maybe.

1317
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 2: Some people do it.

1318
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: The guys I've been hooking up with lately don't seem

1319
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: to care at all about maintaining it down there, or

1320
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: maybe they just think they don't care what I think. Yeah,

1321
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: I think it has been so wild and free as

1322
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: I no matter your gender, it's like there is not

1323
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: a great way to manage it, like period. Well maybe

1324
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: it's also because I'm hooking up with like men that

1325
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: are my age in their thirties and not like just

1326
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: giving up. This isn't like when you're in fresh in

1327
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: your twenties and everyone thinks like, oh, I should like

1328
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: manscape or whatever, or like really keep it clean down there.

1329
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: It's like give it a rest, girl, Like we're all

1330
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: just trying to live life.

1331
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 2: When no one cares that you're a hairy one. No

1332
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 2: one cares.

1333
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: But I bet your pubic hair is thrilling.

1334
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 2: It's freshly shorn.

1335
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: Oh, why you have plans later?

1336
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 2: No, I just it was getting out of hand and

1337
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 2: I am in that liminal space now where I'm like,

1338
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 2: this sucks. Okay. No, I'm actually okay, I'm moisturizing.

1339
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 4: Cool down there.

1340
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I guess I should use I should try

1341
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: my purple shampoo from my blonde Yeah, get blonde.

1342
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 4: Don My heart just skipped me.

1343
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: Something.

1344
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 2: You're just speak the truth. This is Charlie Xx's I

1345
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 2: don't think that one of your time starts now.

1346
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't think so, honey.

1347
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 3: I'm actually coming for a group of people, these people

1348
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 3: who have this stuck up I roll the attitude towards

1349
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 3: reality TV.

1350
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 4: You know what I mean. Back to the beginning of

1351
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 4: our conversation, what is not to love?

1352
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 3: I feel like there is such a high low conundrum

1353
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 3: to reality TV that just makes me want to sink

1354
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 3: my teeth in. Whether it be our favorite Housewives for

1355
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 3: Salt Lake City, Potomac also Miami also heard it's pretty good,

1356
01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 3: but also what about some other amazing shows below? Down

1357
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 3: under below Decks Sailing Yard, below Mediterranean Love Island, Australia.

1358
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 3: British heard the US wasn't that good. But anyway, I

1359
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 3: just think that there is such a psychology, such a wonderful,

1360
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 3: amazing world to delve into. In reality TV. It's like

1361
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 3: the factory. It's absolutely fabulous. Just keep it coming and

1362
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 3: don't judge.

1363
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: It and and you I don't think so, honey.

1364
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 2: The world there reality TV is not trash.

1365
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 4: It's not trash. It's usual. Sweat during that, Oh my god,

1366
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 4: I was like sweated.

1367
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 2: And look, but that's like a good sign like we have.

1368
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 2: I'm just like we had a clear void come in recently.

1369
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 2: And he when he sweats, he means it's the spirit movie.

1370
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 2: It's like energy is moving through. That's what's happened.

1371
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 4: Amazing.

1372
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should watch Couple's Therapy. Oh so good with.

1373
01:03:58,520 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 4: She is the sex.

1374
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 2: She's so sexy, isn't do you just want.

1375
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 3: To be here?

1376
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 2: And what just happened here? I love just the tiny

1377
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 2: little what and what's and what was? She's like talk

1378
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 2: about this, She's amazing. I'm so glad you watched her.

1379
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 4: I love her. I think her fashion is incredible.

1380
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 3: It just thinks she's cheat her apartment's really cool.

1381
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you gotten to the lockdown stuff yet where

1382
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 2: they bring the cameras into her apartment because she's doing

1383
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 2: all of it through like her so that you see

1384
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 2: her apartment and it's like kind of messy in a

1385
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 2: very charming way. She's got all he kids running around.

1386
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 4: She how many kisses does she happen to? I think

1387
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 4: she's so fast.

1388
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 2: What I love is when she speaks to her therapist

1389
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 2: a real yeah, Virginia, Virginia, she's fr she's she's a

1390
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 2: real super sar. But you finished it all the way through,

1391
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 2: there's like, I mean, whatever, we want to talk about it.

1392
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 2: There's a really Palestinian queer couple that's amazing. And then

1393
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 2: like and then Orner's like when she finds out that

1394
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 2: one of them is Palestini and she goes, you know,

1395
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 2: I'm from Israel, right, and then like or like blest

1396
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 2: like is like on socials being like this is crazy.

1397
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 2: Yeah wait, but you should watch it all the way through.

1398
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 3: You would fucking love it.

1399
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 2: But that's between like that's not quite reality. It's not

1400
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 2: quite documentary. Right. It's like they know they're being filmed,

1401
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 2: but they can't see the cameras.

1402
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they've done that shut by the way.

1403
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 3: I have no idea how long we have left, but

1404
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, please, we could do a whole episode on this.

1405
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 4: I feel like they've shot that show.

1406
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 3: In a retasteful way, yes, and I hope it never changes.

1407
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: You know what, you want to know what it is.

1408
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: It's like you can tell that well, obviously it's all

1409
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: hit and that's like part of it, but it's still

1410
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: really elevated the way they shoot it. And I just

1411
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: what I love is that they seem to catch micro

1412
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: emotions like it's really like intentionally edited, and I believe

1413
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 1: it's like really smartly done through her lens. Yeah, because

1414
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: we're making a joke about like what was that? But

1415
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 1: we saw it too, yea, you know what I mean.

1416
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: And also it has to be so crazy, like to

1417
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: be in those sessions and then watch it after because

1418
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: it's also an edited version of that session. You think

1419
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: that would also maybe give you a little bit of

1420
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: a complex like why am I being edited this way

1421
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: and not that way? Like I can't understand saying yes

1422
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: to that, but I'm so thrilled that people do me too.

1423
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 4: Do you have a favorite couple or most like.

1424
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: The young Queer couple, Like they were really young and

1425
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: they had been in a relationship for like three years

1426
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: sort of formatively, and one of them wanted to be

1427
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 1: in an open relationship and the other did not or

1428
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: was adjusting to that. And I think ultimately what they

1429
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: had to really figure out and admit to each other

1430
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: was that they were.

1431
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 2: Not right for each other.

1432
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: And watching that play out was heartbreaking, and I just

1433
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: hope that they could still figure it out to be

1434
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: in each other's lives, because that's I think the hardest

1435
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: thing about when a relationship ends is it's like I

1436
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 1: don't want to lose you as the person.

1437
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 2: You know, like that.

1438
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: And I thought that was just like a beautiful illustration

1439
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: and like you know, examination of that kind of thing,

1440
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: like I love you more than anything.

1441
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 2: This is not right. Yeah, do you have a favorite?

1442
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 4: Yeah? Mine? Also season one, it was the kind of

1443
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 4: like very sort of set in his ways, quite sexy

1444
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 4: you're talking about.

1445
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 3: Man and the woman who was sort of willing to

1446
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 3: try anything, and he was just he would like get

1447
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 3: up during the session and walk around and he was

1448
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 3: just like being like very controlling.

1449
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 2: But history is his story was so wild, like like

1450
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 2: that woman like fucked him when he was like fourteen,

1451
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 2: tied into a.

1452
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,919
Speaker 4: Bed and yeah, so the way it came out again

1453
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 4: could be the edit. We don't know.

1454
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 3: It was just sort of like they'd done like four

1455
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 3: or five sessions. Yeah, nothing was really like going anywhere.

1456
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 3: And then one day he's.

1457
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 4: Just like, well, you know there was that time where

1458
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 4: I got tied to a bed. I like all, I

1459
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 4: was like what really, Yeah, it's just like he just

1460
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 4: like throws it in out of nowhere.

1461
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah that's real though, that's the real therapy. Shit. Yeah,

1462
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 2: there's no like easing into it. Sometimes it just kind

1463
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 2: of drop it.

1464
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: Well, you get the sense that he either was just

1465
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 1: as stubborn controlling with like releasing that information as he

1466
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: is in the immediate thing, or I think some guys

1467
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: that are like that just don't understand that it has

1468
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: affected them in that way.

1469
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,719
Speaker 3: I mean, who knows, But I was under the impression

1470
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 3: that maybe he just.

1471
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: Like wasn't there. Yeah.

1472
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 3: But then the thing that was really interesting about them

1473
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 3: was then Awna would go and speak to her therapist

1474
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 3: about how she was getting very triggered specifically by him,

1475
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 3: and that was like at this extra dynamic that was

1476
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 3: really interesting, and she was kind of talking about how

1477
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 3: she needed to make sure she was providing like fair

1478
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,719
Speaker 3: and equal counsel, but she was like so annoyed by him.

1479
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is interesting. I think there's multiple people like this,

1480
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:55,600
Speaker 2: Like he's one of the people who says her, I

1481
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 2: could do your job. Yeah, I really I couldn't believe

1482
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 2: that that was Can you mentioned the gall Do you

1483
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 2: have a favorite couple? I I like, there's a couple

1484
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 2: of season two that's really great. It's two men. One

1485
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 2: of them is a ballet dancer. One of them, Oh,

1486
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 2: they were great. They were great, and then one of

1487
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 2: them like had a really harroring journey with like sobriety,

1488
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:15,719
Speaker 2: and then then the pandemic happened. Then the pandemic happened.

1489
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 2: And then there's this one couple. There's a problem couple

1490
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 2: of season three, and she order talks to Virginia and

1491
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 2: she talks to a peer group of other therapists and

1492
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,759
Speaker 2: all of them like help her crack this one couple

1493
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 2: because it's she had to watches like I don't know

1494
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 2: because the guy was stone walling, and there's there's such

1495
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 2: a sensational clip of her, like they play at the

1496
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 2: beginning of the season where she she just like yep,

1497
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 2: they're screaming and she goes mastop. You guys, right now,

1498
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:38,640
Speaker 2: I'm not the right therapist for you. And then you're like,

1499
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 2: you're like, how does it get there? How does it

1500
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 2: get there? And watch you watch it and.

1501
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: Great, there was a great couple that was she was

1502
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 1: a dancer in The Lion King, yes, and and it's

1503
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: like she was like she was always busy at night,

1504
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 1: and so she could never have dinner with the family

1505
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 1: and her kids, and like it was like a thing.

1506
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 1: He's like, well, you're never home for dinner. It's like,

1507
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,639
Speaker 1: I'm in the Lion King. And you knew this when

1508
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: you marry me, because she went the Lion King for

1509
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:12,600
Speaker 1: as long as the earth has been I know, security,

1510
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: are you a therapy icon? Who are you a therapy icon?

1511
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1512
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 4: I meant the Lion King being what a job.

1513
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 1: But honestly, I can't believe I was never not in it.

1514
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 1: I can't believe I was ever No, I can't believe

1515
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: I was ever not in it because.

1516
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 3: I love it being therapy Again, the King, I was like, lying.

1517
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: I don't think there's many roles for me in the

1518
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 1: Lion King on Broadway. But I would love to help

1519
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 1: out you ushering, but no, therapy is great.

1520
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 2: Therapy is great, speaking of great, speaking of great, the

1521
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 2: album is fucking sublime. Yeah, good for you, and I'm

1522
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 2: glad you responded. Seems like you responded positively when I

1523
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 2: when I made a comparison the XX world.

1524
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

1525
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 3: Of course you're right, and I'm I think, yeah, you

1526
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 3: nailed it, youmailed it.

1527
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, fucking good. We love you, Charlie.

1528
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 4: I love you.

1529
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: But everything you do. Course it's pretty fun.

1530
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 2: What the end every episode with the.

1531
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: Song I'm Breaking?

1532
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 3: Ever?

1533
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: Wait, why do I love all your bells? You know

1534
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: what I love?

1535
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 2: Official?

1536
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:24,600
Speaker 4: Official?

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Speaker 1: Official Official reminds me of Jared's first He was my boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: he's my best friend. We figured it out in the

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Speaker 1: way that I hope that couple therapy couple did.

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Speaker 2: But official was like, that was the song WHOA.

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Speaker 1: Like the little things are happening that makes me

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Speaker 2: Writing the things that go to make us Official