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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back, twelve years, three trophies. Julian Edelman

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Speaker 1: is joining us. We figured we'd wrap up this week

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Speaker 1: with a former Patriot. Great all with New England because

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Speaker 1: it was it was a pretty rough loss, and it's

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Speaker 1: funny the Super Bowls you were in. It was a

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Speaker 1: fascinating dynasty because it was win close, lose close, win games.

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Speaker 1: You were not favored, lose a game to Philadelphia, or

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Speaker 1: you didn't punt. I want to start with this, I

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Speaker 1: going into the Super Bowl said the only thing I

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Speaker 1: know for sure, New England will not run the football

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Speaker 1: particularly well. I don't think it's a good matchup for

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Speaker 1: the O line that I felt. And I also said

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Speaker 1: that means Drake May is gonna throw thirty five times

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Speaker 1: or more. That's not great. He's one in seven. I

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Speaker 1: was surprised that on their first drive they did swing passes.

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Speaker 1: I thought they should have used the tight ends more.

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Speaker 1: I like Hunter Henry, I didn't think it was one

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Speaker 1: of Josh McDaniel's great game plans, although I think whoever

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Speaker 1: won Seattle or the Rams was the better team and

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Speaker 1: would have won the Super Bowl. When you looked at

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Speaker 1: the game plan, what was your initial reaction to the

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Speaker 3: I initially thought that they never got comfortable and they

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Speaker 3: had to probably pivot from what they wanted to do.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you look in the first half. I think

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Speaker 3: they had their best drive on the first drive where

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Speaker 3: they had eight plays. They got a few first downs

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Speaker 3: out with negative runs, so they can never get in

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Speaker 3: a rhythm. Like we never saw jumbos, big people on

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Speaker 3: no huddle, and those are kind of things that we

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Speaker 3: I ultimately think, you know, they just got out coach

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Speaker 3: and out played and Seattle. I mean they were only

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Speaker 3: even have to bring a blitz even though they brought

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Speaker 3: Witherspoon a few times, which was a new look, and

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Speaker 4: And you know, it was a remarkable job by that defense.

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Speaker 3: Josh I feel like he may have got knocked off that.

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Speaker 4: Game plan, you know, and rightfully so.

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Speaker 3: The young quarterback Drake may hadn't been playing particularly well,

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Speaker 3: seemed to be maybe a little banged up in that shoulder,

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Speaker 3: seemed to be very uncomfortable, you know, And you got

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Speaker 3: to take this with the grain of salt. This team overachieved.

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Speaker 3: This team had four wins last year. They come in

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Speaker 3: and get go fourteen to three, go to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: You know, the NFL is not Disney movies. So it's

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Speaker 3: a sad day in New England.

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Speaker 1: What would you add? I feel like they need another

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Speaker 1: But is there when you look at this team going

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Speaker 3: I still think they're trying to figure that out through

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Speaker 3: the self scout that they're going to do this complete offseason.

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Speaker 3: with offensive lineman. I personally think Will Campbell got baptized,

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Speaker 4: He's a rookie. You can never go wrong with lineman.

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Speaker 3: They definitely could use a playmaker, another playmaker, but they

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Speaker 3: the developmental of Drake may When you don't have this

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Speaker 4: So I think you got to get him protected.

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Speaker 3: The two Kyl Berkeley safeties played outrageous. They got Davis

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Speaker 3: at all levels. So if they could get a pass rusher,

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Speaker 3: So you know, they have forty one million this offseason

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Speaker 3: You know, I anticipate they're gonna they're gonna be better

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Speaker 3: though they lost this game in the in the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 3: they gained so much human capital going through this experience

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Speaker 3: of the playoffs. They got to rattle off wins in Denver,

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Speaker 3: And even though it wasn't pretty. There's thing great football players.

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Speaker 3: Good football players through every experience, whether good or bad,

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Speaker 3: be a good football team next year.

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Speaker 1: You know, Tom Brady is the best quarterback that's ever played.

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Speaker 1: He never I and all the Super Bowls, I don't

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Speaker 1: remember ever having a robust offensive first quarter. He threw

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Speaker 1: People have looked at Donald and said, well, he didn't

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Speaker 1: have a turnover during the playoffs, but he wasn't spectacular

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Speaker 1: when you're an aggressive athletic quarterback in the NFC, which

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Speaker 1: It's easy to say the reclamation, he's great, but I

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Speaker 1: want you to give me some nuance. How do you

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Speaker 3: You know, he got the monkey up his back to

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Speaker 3: me in the two biggest games of his life. He

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Speaker 3: played his best football. Yeah, statistically in the Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: may not have been the best, but he didn't turn

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Speaker 3: Sam Darnald. He likes to throw that thing away. You know,

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Speaker 3: he's been quoted as he sees ghosts, so you.

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Speaker 4: Know, it was unreal.

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Speaker 3: It's been really cool to watch his career transform. His

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Speaker 3: from good and bad experience. He's done that these last

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Speaker 3: four years with Kyle Shanahan and Kevin O'Connell. He's just

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Speaker 3: this is this is what you and he's a likable guy.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's a really cool, likable guy. And anytime

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Speaker 3: you play your best games in the most important games.

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Speaker 4: That's what you are. That's what you are.

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Speaker 3: You know, in the NFC Championship against MVP staff for

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Speaker 3: three touchdowns, three hundred and forty two yards, you know,

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Speaker 3: have him out manned on the defensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 3: Their offense ain't going to begin eighty yards on us.

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Speaker 3: Just just all you got to do is steer the ship, buddy.

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Speaker 3: We don't we don't need to do nothing crazy. And

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Speaker 3: that's what he had to do. That's what that teams

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Speaker 3: so great at doing. They played complimentary football. They're very

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Speaker 3: similar to the Patriots, where they're not trying to go

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Speaker 3: out and put up accolades on offense, the statistics this

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Speaker 3: they're doing everything in their possible manner to win the

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Speaker 3: game by one point. You know, they just have more

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Speaker 3: you know, it was this has been this is awesome.

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Speaker 3: And this is why the game of football is awesome.

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Speaker 3: This is why the NFL is undefeated. It's the best

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Speaker 3: reality TV show. It's because you got guys like Sam Darnold,

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Speaker 3: who you're on his fifth team, and he comes out

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Speaker 4: Wins a super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: This is that's It's an unbelievable story and I'm I'm

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Speaker 3: just so happy for him. He's proved people wrong left

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Speaker 3: and right. He proved me wrong. I bet against him.

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Speaker 3: I thought he'd make at least one mistake. He didn't

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Speaker 3: make them. You know, he was damn close on that

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Speaker 3: almost Marcus Jones almost undercut it. To have the resiliency,

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Speaker 3: the calm, cool, collectedness to make a couple of the

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Speaker 3: big time throws when guys were in his face in

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, I mean, he's he's a super Bowl

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Speaker 3: champion now.

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Speaker 1: Julian Edelman, he's got a podcast called Games with Names,

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Speaker 1: new episodes every Tuesday. We wrapped a bow on it.

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Speaker 1: It's good seeing as always, Buddy. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Always great to see you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't really overreact. I agree with Julian. I

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Speaker 1: think the Patriots will be a better team and I'll

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Speaker 1: win ten games instead of fourteen next year, I said,

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Speaker 1: I think, I just think the AFC had a down

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Speaker 1: England's a playoff team next year. They feel more eleven

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Speaker 1: and six than what I saw this year. But can overreact.

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Speaker 1: I think when you start drafting, where they're going to

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Speaker 1: a tackle, put some money on the old line. I'd

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Speaker 1: consider either drafting or spending for an edge rusher. But

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Speaker 1: I think they're in a pretty great space.

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff with the news, This is the Herdline news.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 7: Speaking of NFL coaching, the Chargers hired Mike McDaniel to

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a different looking team.

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Speaker 1: But I felt this year it felt like survival mode.

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Speaker 8: We're getting close to a decision, and when we do,

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Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I don't have a problem.

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Speaker 7: To college football column where a report indicates an internal

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Speaker 1: Okay, hmm, that's a lot of teams like Virginia needed

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Speaker 1: The good news is it would make the committee less crucial.

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Speaker 7: We can go more games, but start playing the moment

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Speaker 1: John. One of the things I think that this would

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Speaker 7: Whatever the matchup turns out to be, right, you win

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Speaker 1: Patrick Ewing or somebody wearing a Raptor's jersey or something.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't love that. Ethan Strauss earlier today

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Speaker 1: on you know what Lebron, how he wraps up the career.

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying Lebron's motivated by money. He clearly has

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Speaker 6: a ton of money, but it has gotten to this

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Speaker 6: point column where you're walking away from you know, sixty

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Speaker 6: expect him to at least do another year, get the

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Speaker 6: farewell tour. Lebron likes attention, that's my expectation. I think

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Speaker 6: it would be better and cleaner of be in it

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Speaker 6: it now, like you said, but I think we're getting

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Speaker 6: at least one more season. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It was Patrick Ewing was in an Orlando Magic jersey

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Speaker 1: and it was was it a team in a Raptor's jersey.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't like that, but you know, I do think

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Speaker 1: it points to a real truth going on in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Is you know when they did that CBA, it created

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Speaker 1: parody and it also a lot of really really rich

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Speaker 1: guys at the top. And Lebron is still just you know,

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Speaker 1: in spurts. He's really really good. I went and watched

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Speaker 1: him play in Chicago, and he first twelve minutes of

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Speaker 1: the game he's totally dominant, best player on the floor.

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Speaker 1: Again it was the bulls, So I think may be

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Speaker 1: worse now. I was talking earlier. I said, but I

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Speaker 1: don't view Lebron if you count everything stamina, free throw shooting, offense,

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Speaker 1: and defense. And I'll use the two and a half

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Speaker 1: minutes to go tie game game seven of the finals.

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Speaker 1: Who do you want or a big playoff game? Top

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Speaker 1: ten And when I listed the top ten players, and

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Speaker 1: I never trusted Lebron a ton of the free throw line.

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Speaker 1: But he now doesn't have that late game stamina, and

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Speaker 1: he's not a defensive you know, stalwart like he used

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Speaker 1: to be. I would say Jokic best player in the world, SGA,

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Speaker 1: best clock shooter in the league, Wemby best defensive player,

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Speaker 1: and it's good on both ends. Kawhi when he's healthy,

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Speaker 1: remains get a bucket, get a stop with I mean,

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Speaker 1: all time greats. Steph remains incredibly accurate shooting three point

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Speaker 1: shots late in games. Kate Cunningham has become more aggressive

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Speaker 1: over the last couple of years. He is a tremendous

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Speaker 1: franchise player. Now you say to yourself, Colin, why is

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Speaker 1: Luca so low? In my take, is. I don't trust

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Speaker 1: his stamina. I've seen it die in playoff games. I

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Speaker 1: don't buy that he's in this great shape. And frankly,

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Speaker 1: he is a below average defensive player, so I can

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Speaker 1: get a bucket from him. Kate Cunningham could give me

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Speaker 1: a stop, and it's gonna give me a stop Kawhi.

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Speaker 1: Even Durant's a willing defender. Lucas not. I would say

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Speaker 1: nine Kevin Durant and ten Jalen Brunson. Again, I went

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Speaker 1: back and forth on Jalen Brunson and Lebron. I like

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Speaker 1: Jalen at the free throw line better than Lebron, and

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Speaker 1: because he's a younger athlete, probably has a little more stamina.

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Speaker 1: Although he's very ball centric, he can get worn down to.

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Speaker 1: I think Lucas a defensive liability. Brunt's was voted clutch

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Speaker 1: Player of the Year in the NBA last year. I

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Speaker 1: may have him low, but I'm not saying Lebron's not

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Speaker 1: a top twelve, thirteen, fourteen to fifteen player. But like

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Speaker 1: late game situations, we always knew he wasn't a great

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Speaker 1: free throw shooter, but he was dominant offensively beat anybody

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Speaker 1: he wanted to the rim. His three point shooting. He's

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Speaker 1: a bit streaky, but above average, and his stamina was

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Speaker 1: relentless until about last year. Year before now it's pretty

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Speaker 1: noticeable he has spurts. The most interesting comment of the day,

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Speaker 1: which I disagreed with from Ethan Strauss, I said, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know I love Sam Donald. Here was

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Speaker 1: Ethan Strauss's take on Sam Donald hoisting a Lobardi Trophy.

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Speaker 6: I think Sam Donald's average, and I think that's okay.

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Speaker 6: I think the lesson was Sam Donald is perhaps we

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Speaker 6: might even make too big a deal of the surrounding

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Speaker 6: weapons quarterbacks have on offense and not a big enough

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Speaker 6: deal about all the other help that allows him to win.

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Speaker 6: I think we saw this super Bowl, and I think

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Speaker 6: we saw it last Super Bowl with Jalen Hurts when

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Speaker 6: we were trying to make him out to be somebody

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Speaker 6: that he wasn't.

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Speaker 1: He was fine.

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Speaker 4: And that's the lesson.

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Speaker 6: In the NFL, you can win with a quarterback who's fine.

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Speaker 1: Okay, John, let me ask you, a full ber NFL scout,

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Speaker 1: do you view Donald as fine?

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Speaker 7: I view him as slightly better and fine, but there's

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Speaker 7: a clear gap between him. I mean, he had twenty

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Speaker 7: turnovers this year at one point. Now you know, relatively

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Speaker 7: new offense, he had played in it before. But is

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Speaker 7: he Mames when he's on Alan the Lamar we've seen

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Speaker 7: win MVP's burrow. But I think you know Herbert has

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Speaker 7: carried his team. When you play on a great team,

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Speaker 7: you know, Purty fell under this. You just the game

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Speaker 7: manager gets such a negative connotation. A lot of guys

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Speaker 7: have managed the game to wins, you know, in Super

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Speaker 7: Bowl trophies. So you had to be holding your breath

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Speaker 7: a little bit though. Was it the first or second

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Speaker 7: pass of the game. Oh, I was when it looks

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Speaker 7: like he almost wrote pick six and the guy who's

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Speaker 7: gonna jump on it?

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Speaker 1: Like if listen, I'm from the Pacific Northwest, but I

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Speaker 1: have I mean I was in the Northeast and Patriot

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Speaker 1: Country for years, so I really really respect Robert Kraft

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Speaker 1: in the organization. My take was, if Sam doesn't win,

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Speaker 1: I just don't want him to have two and three

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Speaker 1: and four turnovers. If he loses, he loses that. And

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Speaker 1: they were jumping routes like crazy because I think, honestly, John,

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Speaker 1: I think they knew they weren't going to move the

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Speaker 1: ball much. I think I think those Rabel and Josh

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Speaker 1: knew we're not gonna have a ton of success. What

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Speaker 1: we have to do is force Sam to speed up

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Speaker 1: his game. He has a history of making mistakes and

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Speaker 1: getting frenetic and kind of getting into weird zones where

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Speaker 1: he tries to be a little bit of a hero.

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Speaker 1: He did that in college. Sometimes he did that. Certainly

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Speaker 1: Jets Carolina, so I think they were jumping routes. I

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Speaker 1: think they wanted to get into Darnold's head, force him

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Speaker 1: into a mistake and and you know, it's a game

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Speaker 1: inches that first one's picked. It could have I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think Seattle still overtime wins, but it could change

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Speaker 1: the play calling and the dynamics of the game. All right, John,

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Speaker 1: as always, buddy, great job, have a great weekend. All right,

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Speaker 1: I'll talk to you Sunday on the podcast. Ethan Strauss

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