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Speaker 4: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 3: What do you think of Caleb Williams saying I don't

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Speaker 3: care who drafts me as long as they go first.

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Speaker 5: I think JJ McCarthy's jumping Daniel's If you listen to

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Speaker 4: Are saying, that's what's don't crazy. I know you don't

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Speaker 4: like to hear this, but Williams has never moved off

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Speaker 3: I said that last No Show and he arguing, I

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna I'm gonna telling the story.

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Speaker 3: Oh Fred I was ten and two, yes, sir, yesterir,

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Speaker 3: but then it's like you're going eighty five. No, I wasn't.

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Speaker 3: But the more he talked about it, like by Andy

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Speaker 3: spreading go outside the car, and that was my fear.

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Speaker 3: My wife likes the Notre Dame quarterback.

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Speaker 4: He looks like grizzly as everybody's.

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Speaker 6: Everybody's got a type. Paul that mine as soon as.

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here

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Speaker 3: at Jillette Stadium, and uh, once again another show and

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Speaker 3: it's all draft all the time, right.

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Speaker 6: No, it's all transition tag.

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Speaker 5: How mad can we get about the transition tag?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 6: I got a bone to pick with Paul about his shows.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So yes, Kyle Duggar got tagged with the transition

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Speaker 3: and so we'll talk about and so we'll talk about that.

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Speaker 6: It's not really about the transition tag that they were

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Speaker 6: whining about the transition tag. But I have another thing

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Speaker 3: Okay, and what that means to Kyle Duggar and the

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Speaker 3: team and otherwise the franchise tag deadline came and went.

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Speaker 3: No movement there in terms of French for the Patriots,

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Speaker 3: but there was a lot of movement in the league

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Speaker 3: yesterday right up north in Buffalo. Holy mackerel.

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Speaker 6: Somehow they managed to franchise just about every guy we

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Speaker 6: talked about on our free agency preview video that we

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Speaker 6: But now, interesting move for dugger I mean, you know,

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Speaker 6: I think it's a good sign, he's probably gonna stick around.

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Speaker 6: They said, he wants he wants.

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Speaker 3: To be the person to explain the transition tag.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's not that hard.

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Speaker 5: Who wants to explain it?

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Speaker 4: I'll do. It's then the top five average salaries of

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Speaker 4: you are not entitled to any compensation if someone signs him.

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Speaker 4: You just have the writer first refusal.

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Speaker 3: Right yeah, right now. You know, people say, well, what's

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Speaker 3: what's the thing here? So for Dougger, if he goes

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Speaker 3: the average of the top ten safeties in the league.

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Speaker 3: So there's something so I know, like the tags seem

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Speaker 3: of protects the player a little bit, you know.

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Speaker 6: Protects the team. It's going to allow him he can

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Speaker 6: we can let him walk. It gives them more time

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Speaker 4: The tags are tough on the players, I mean the

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Speaker 4: I totally understand it. There's been a lot of guys

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Speaker 4: You know, Kirk Cousins is the poster child, so I

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Speaker 4: to be. The Tampa Bay Box could offer him, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. My question is did the Patriots already make him

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but they might not want to do that because

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Speaker 3: The Patriots could up their offer once he comes back, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think that a lot of people would assume that, oh,

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Speaker 5: what difference does it make? But this actually I think

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Speaker 3: But remember nowadays, it doesn't always have to be the

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Speaker 4: Right, But they could, they could, they could now they

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Speaker 4: do that because that's wasting time. I could be talking

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Speaker 4: doesn't lock him up. But to me, it for three

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Speaker 6: Generally, just always a risk when you used the tags, right,

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Speaker 5: Do think it. It puts you back into square one,

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Speaker 5: I think with him because they were negotiating with him

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Speaker 5: worth thirteen point eight million dollars. I understand it's a

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Speaker 5: So I think that's a consideration.

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Speaker 4: Well that's certainly why they did it.

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Speaker 4: And why I thought the salary cap was really hard?

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Speaker 4: You know, I guess you could just cut the players,

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Speaker 4: In the NHL, you'd still be forty over the cap

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Speaker 5: The NHL cap is brutal.

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Speaker 6: Don't you think those are his key players that they

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Speaker 4: Little bit Mitch Morse. I think their offensive line is okay,

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Speaker 6: It's just a little jarring to see those names.

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Speaker 3: If there are you know, supervision, medical ward.

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Speaker 4: I think for Buffalo, I would be interested in White, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: But he's been serious injury after serious with them, not

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Speaker 5: I do wonder with Buffalo how much their new stadium

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Speaker 4: And that's what counts because and I mentioned, you know,

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Speaker 4: the money, it was a matter of moving the players

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's what got the Patriots in

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Speaker 4: trouble in the last ten years is after doing it

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Speaker 4: you think Rap is the same as Poyer, He's not.

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Speaker 6: know they kind of came out they looked dejected, but

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Speaker 4: So it's you know, it's not responsible for them getting

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not just on the field, it's it's off

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Speaker 5: I would say that, like Brandon Bean, I think is

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Speaker 5: I think that this is more Buffalo recognizing we went

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Speaker 3: Basically, it's more importantly for the Patriots is what are

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Speaker 5: I've done that twice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Elliott Wolf on the phone, do.

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Speaker 6: We have that meme? We need to get there.

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Speaker 6: We should asked him when he was on then when

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Speaker 3: But I would imagine, but you know, these guys here

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm kind of curious in the next twenty four

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, So there's that.

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Speaker 6: And Dynasty tonight is which episodes are up to seven

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Speaker 6: It was out like last week. I watched it. I

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Speaker 4: Gosh, and there they were midnight.

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Speaker 6: They That's what I did to Paul. I was so excited.

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Speaker 4: Just whoa, whoa, whoa whoaa. So Mike's getting the director's cut.

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Speaker 4: You guys right, I'm working.

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Speaker 6: I'm trying to you know, we studying the team.

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Speaker 5: Of course I was working too, working, working the sources,

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Speaker 3: this I don't know why he does this, but Ron

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Speaker 5: Also had Zach Wilson at number one in the two thousand.

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Speaker 3: He's also had like Brady, Yeah, you know he had

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Speaker 5: I think that we need to stop listening to every

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Speaker 6: That what you were directing a tour where you've posted

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Speaker 5: It just the thing about it is is that and look,

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Speaker 3: But it does it. It makes me look dumb.

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Speaker 6: I feel think he cares.

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Speaker 3: But Evan, speaking of Drake May, he will be up

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Speaker 5: I guess that's official now, Yeah, I mean I don't care.

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Speaker 5: I went to b c's pro day last year with

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Speaker 6: There's it's a whole production.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's you know, ten times before.

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Speaker 3: You get swag back.

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Speaker 6: I'm just thinking that friend, he's gonna like a shirt.

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Speaker 5: like a radar gun and put it like right behind

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Speaker 5: him and get the m p h s on.

441
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Speaker 6: The you gotta see if he's put some weight onto

442
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Speaker 6: we're talking about you know, his big mac.

443
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Speaker 4: Yeah, not winging it.

444
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Speaker 3: Can you get a radar gun through TSA.

445
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,120
Speaker 4: Maybe I'll buy it in in that room.

446
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, Jack Chin to gift the picture. I didn't even

447
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Speaker 6: realize that was in my bag.

448
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Speaker 4: So yeah, there you go.

449
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Speaker 6: I go around, well because they do.

450
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Speaker 5: They do the radar gun at the combine now, but

451
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,760
Speaker 5: everybody puts like all of it into it like it's

452
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Speaker 5: not a no one's using like an actual throwing motion.

453
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,119
Speaker 5: They're throwing it like it's a you know, it's a

454
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Speaker 5: max out situation. So it's you know, JJ McCarthy threw

455
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Speaker 5: like sixty one miles an hour and everybody made a

456
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Speaker 5: big deal out of It's like, yeah, but if you

457
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Speaker 5: watch him throw, it's that's not how he throws. He

458
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 5: just absolutely unloaded one and it went sixty one miles

459
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Speaker 5: an hour. It's like, all right, well, I don't know

460
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Speaker 5: how much stock I actually put into that. I want

461
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Speaker 5: to see how they throw it. Actually the eighties, but

462
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Speaker 5: your picture, oh.

463
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Speaker 4: That was yeah.

464
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Speaker 5: I was gonna say, that's a base with a smaller,

465
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,359
Speaker 5: that's a much that's a mushball. And Joe Milton got

466
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Speaker 5: up there and threw it sixty two miles an hour.

467
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Speaker 5: But if you actually watch the clip, he just threw

468
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Speaker 5: it like he threw it like you would throw it

469
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Speaker 5: in from the pocket, and he still threw at sixty

470
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Speaker 5: two and then walked off the finger.

471
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Speaker 6: He's kind of cool.

472
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Speaker 4: I think it would be fun.

473
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Speaker 6: Some team's gonna get some fun with him, like in

474
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Speaker 6: training camp, you know, like late round, mid round guy,

475
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Speaker 6: and bring him in, let him rifle some balls around.

476
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 3: Just to let everyone know, we can't take phone calls

477
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 3: today because we had a power outage in the building

478
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Speaker 3: yesterday lasted about two or three hours and it knocked

479
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Speaker 3: out our phone bank. So no phone calls. But you

480
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Speaker 3: can't email us at web radio at pages dot com.

481
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Speaker 6: I wish someone would email us in because I can't

482
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Speaker 6: find it. I've looked for it, but there's this like

483
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Speaker 6: stupid thing going around, like many in the Combine believe

484
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Speaker 6: that the forty nine ers would have had at least

485
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Speaker 6: two Super Bowls if Mac Jones was on the And

486
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Speaker 6: I'm like, what, like, did you watch mac Jones at all?

487
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Speaker 6: But the thing I like about it though, and I'm like,

488
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Speaker 6: that's great, give us a second round pick for him then,

489
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Speaker 6: you know, like, but I just I mean, it goes

490
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Speaker 6: back to what Evan was saying about silly season here,

491
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Speaker 6: where I'm like it clearly to me seems like Max

492
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Speaker 6: Agent's trying to, you know, drum off some interest, so

493
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Speaker 6: hopefully maybe it drums up.

494
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Speaker 4: A little drifts.

495
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Speaker 6: That's why I wish someone would would tell us where

496
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Speaker 6: it came from, because it was attributed to NFL Network.

497
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 6: I don't know exactly who said it, and it's it's

498
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Speaker 6: going around right now.

499
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Speaker 3: Speaking of NFL Network, Matt Jude Judan was on yesterday

500
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Speaker 3: and he's on today too. Yeah, and he's on today too,

501
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 3: but he was talking about Matt Jones and you know,

502
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 3: defended him, and you know he was.

503
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Speaker 6: Gonna, He's gonna when everything was perfect, he was pretty good.

504
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 3: Yeah.

505
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Speaker 5: He also said that he wants the Patriots to trade down.

506
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Speaker 3: Oh is that what he said?

507
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 5: I said trade down? And he said all these quarterbacks,

508
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,199
Speaker 5: everybody hypes them up and then they all stink, So

509
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:30,679
Speaker 5: trade down and accumulated.

510
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Speaker 4: He said they all stink.

511
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Speaker 5: He didn't say stink, but yes.

512
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Speaker 6: What did he say, brock Bowers, I saw something like that.

513
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Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't know who if he put

514
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Speaker 5: a name to the claim, but he said he wants

515
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 5: the Patriots to trade down, accumulate assets, and go out

516
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 5: and get more offensive weapons.

517
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Speaker 3: You know, here's here's how crazy I am. My muscle memory.

518
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 3: I'm thinking to myself, I bet you Bill hates when

519
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 3: he says all this stuff. Yeah, they're not here anymore anymore.

520
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Speaker 4: As a Patriots fan, Like I take this part of

521
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Speaker 4: it away. I don't like him, So I can imagine

522
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if if coaches don't like that.

523
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Speaker 6: Now, I think, I mean, I kind of with the

524
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Speaker 6: eye kind of on your team. The act is kind

525
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Speaker 6: of warnt thin with every off season him like, you know,

526
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 6: joking the recruiting guys.

527
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Speaker 4: If there's like one guy that you maybe have a

528
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 4: relationship with and it's you know, like the Lebron you know,

529
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Speaker 4: like someone who every team would obviously love to have.

530
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 4: And that's different. But when you openly solicit every single

531
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Speaker 4: guy who's available all the time, what is that sight

532
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Speaker 4: to your teammates?

533
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Speaker 6: It's like my cat, like every time someone gets released

534
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 6: and he does the Patriot and it's like, are you

535
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Speaker 6: just doing it now or are you serious?

536
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 4: Like what are we doing? Like do you think you

537
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Speaker 4: And maybe he would, I mean, if you ask Matthew,

538
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Speaker 4: maybe he would feel fine. But like if if Hunter

539
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Speaker 4: Henry said, oh, you know, hey, von Miller, why don't

540
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Speaker 4: you come here. We need a pass rusher, We need

541
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Speaker 4: someone who can actually get after the quarterback, you know, like,

542
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Speaker 4: would you feel okay with that? Yeah? Right now? You know,

543
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Speaker 4: And maybe Matthew would. Maybe he would take it as

544
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Speaker 4: a joke.

545
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Speaker 6: I don't know, But stuff with judn't because he is

546
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 6: he's pretty funny. You can't, you know, you never take

547
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Speaker 6: anything he says too seriously.

548
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying that if I was

549
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Speaker 4: a teammate, why is he always looking to replace me?

550
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Speaker 6: He's looking good though, this Jean Jack at the eighties Acid.

551
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Speaker 4: So where's mac Jones going?

552
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Speaker 6: I missed, like, oh there was just like you know,

553
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 6: reports from Indy where that if the forty nine ers

554
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Speaker 6: had had Mac Jones they'd have at least two Super Bowls.

555
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Speaker 6: And I wanted to like tweet like a picture of

556
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Speaker 6: Patrick Mahomes and be like yeah, right.

557
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 4: Okay, oh right, then if mac Jones was the Niners

558
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 4: quarterback and everything was the same, they'd have got knocked

559
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Speaker 4: out by Green Bay in the wildcard round.

560
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Speaker 6: And there it is.

561
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Speaker 3: Somebody speaking of the forty nine ers. Somebody had something

562
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Speaker 3: to say about Trey Lance either yesterday the day before

563
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 3: about how uh he thinks that he's gonna come back

564
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Speaker 3: and prove people wrong.

565
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Speaker 6: He quite the comeback. I mean, we talked about one

566
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Speaker 6: hundred times. He's just he hasn't played any football going

567
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Speaker 6: back to college like with COVID, and I mean, you know, I.

568
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Speaker 5: Mean, he hasn't played an actual football season since like

569
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Speaker 5: twenty nineteen, which is wild.

570
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Speaker 3: Five years ago.

571
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Speaker 6: So I don't know. I mean, I'm sure i'd love

572
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 6: to hear what he's doing, you know, because I mean,

573
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 6: hopefully he's fresh.

574
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Speaker 3: Would you rather have Trey Lance or Zach Wilson?

575
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Speaker 6: Trey Lance because of the unknown, Like I mean, then

576
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Speaker 6: that's not because I think he's.

577
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Speaker 4: Better, it's just but it's not a great I'm all

578
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 4: set on both.

579
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 3: Okay. Would you rather have Sam Darnold or Trey Lance?

580
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Speaker 6: Again, probably Trey Lance, just because I could talk myself

581
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Speaker 6: into it. I don't maybe he'll all of a sudden

582
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Speaker 6: now he's fully healthy.

583
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 4: There's nothing there, but I'd like to find out for sure.

584
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 3: Would you rather have Bailey Zappi or Trey Lance?

585
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 4: Of course? Definitely?

586
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 3: Okay?

587
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Speaker 2: Good?

588
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 3: Uh Chad Atlanta. I simply do not understand the hate

589
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Speaker 3: J McCarthy. I'm not saying he should be taking at

590
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 3: number one, but he wouldn't be someone I'd be afraid

591
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 3: to take in the top ten. If the Patriots could

592
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 3: trade back to eight with Atlanta while picking up some

593
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 3: extra picks, I take a shit on JJ. They could

594
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 3: also use the Atlanta picks to trade back up if

595
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Speaker 3: they wanted.

596
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Speaker 5: I would like to challenge people that our JJ McCarthy

597
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 5: supporters don't don't pull one throw like no, don't pull

598
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 5: the highlight reel off of YouTube and showed show like

599
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Speaker 5: break down in a well thought out manner of why

600
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Speaker 5: this guy is a top ten pick, right, like explain

601
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 5: to explain it to me.

602
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Speaker 3: And then the other thing that we heard is, well,

603
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Speaker 3: he's going to go to the combine, he's gonna throw

604
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Speaker 3: and he's going to show people that he's got a

605
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 3: better on these and he didn't.

606
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 4: But those people think that he did. They did. That's like,

607
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 4: that's the Yeah, I've never seen an element like this.

608
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 4: I don't think he threw well, but there's an element

609
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 4: that thinks he blew up the combine.

610
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 5: I have never seen anything like it, at least in

611
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Speaker 5: twenty one with Zach Wilson. He did impress at all

612
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 5: of these things, like his Pro day, he was really

613
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 5: really impressive throwing the football. JJ McCarthy's done nothing to

614
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Speaker 5: help his stock, and all of a sudden he's a

615
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Speaker 5: top ten pick. I've never seen anything like that.

616
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 4: If you can give the quarterback eleven seconds to throw

617
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 4: the was an impressive throw.

618
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see Jeff and uh Brooklyn. What do you

619
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 3: guys think of a trade down, get some picks, take penix.

620
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 3: I mean, aside from injuries and maybe age, what's the

621
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: knock on him?

622
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 4: To me?

623
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Speaker 3: He, in theory doesn't have the upside of the other

624
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 3: top three guys. But his floor seems pretty high, and

625
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 3: I think he might actually be really solid solid, like good,

626
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 3: not solid, like we're settling.

627
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 5: Thoughts thirty four. If you want to take Penix, if

628
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 5: he if you're convinced that Penix is your guy for

629
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 5: whatever reason, he's going to be there at thirty four,

630
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 5: there's no reason to take him in the top ten.

631
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Speaker 6: Just trying to limit red flags this year.

632
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 4: I would just disagree about the floor. I think his

633
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 4: floor is significant.

634
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 6: It's literally on the ground because he's injured and he

635
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 6: can't get out.

636
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 4: And I'm not telling you I'm not interested in Pennis.

637
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 4: I like Panix, I said on Tuesday.

638
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 3: I think kind of like him too.

639
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 4: I think you can make an argument he's the best

640
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 4: passer out of all of these guys. But you're overlooking

641
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 4: something very significant. If you think his floor is high,

642
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 4: his floor is probably as low as any of them

643
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 4: because of the injuries.

644
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: Right.

645
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 5: I would also say that he can't hand He does

646
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 5: not handle pressure well, like pressure in the pocket. I'm

647
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 5: not talking about like outside pressure. So in terms of

648
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 5: actual film, to take the durability and the injury concerns

649
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 5: out of it, there are reasons you turn on you know,

650
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 5: the Oregon game, the Michigan game where he did face

651
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 5: some pressure and it's not pretty. So I don't think

652
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 5: that he's this, you know, flawless prospect even on film either.

653
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 5: But he should be there. I would think at thirty

654
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 5: four because of the injuries. I just don't see people

655
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 5: taking a risk in the first Do.

656
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 4: You remember when the Patriots took Dominique Easley in the

657
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 4: first round? Yeap, what was the risk?

658
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: His knees, right was what happened?

659
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 4: That's like, that's floor. The floor there is that he's

660
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 4: injury prone and he keeps getting hurt. Yeah, like that's

661
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Speaker 4: and then he was that's not insignificant.

662
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Speaker 3: I'll never remember the walk when he comes in on

663
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Speaker 3: that first day with the guys and everyone looked at

664
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Speaker 3: his knees and like you can't even.

665
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Speaker 4: Walk, friends, Fred goes he's limping. Now he's like whispering

666
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 4: to me he could get up. It wasn't like the

667
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 4: football player, you know, like Teddy Bruski had a limb.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well he did like normalise yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well teacher wise everything he's just arms and legs everywhere,

670
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 4: but his his his knees looked like they were about

671
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Speaker 4: to crack.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, yeah, I saw that. I saw that

673
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Speaker 6: when he came out. I mean, but I remember being intrigued,

674
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 6: just being like, you know, when you watched his really

675
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 6: good film from Florida, how quick he was off the ball,

676
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 6: and it was like, wow, this is you know. There

677
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 6: was so much conversation about with Brady, like the way

678
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 6: you gotta get Brady is up the pressure up the middle,

679
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 6: and it was like, this guy looks like he's a

680
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Speaker 6: pressure up the middle. Factory never worked out.

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Speaker 4: And I just want to go back to that JJ

682
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Speaker 4: McCarthy think, because I I don't hate JJ McCarthy and

683
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Speaker 4: I don't want to be characterized as I don't see

684
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Speaker 4: anything there. I think the other three are markedly better

685
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Speaker 4: than he is. But the thing that I that I

686
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 4: can't get past. And and this is something we talked

687
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Speaker 4: about on Tuesday also, but Lewis Riddick tweeted about this

688
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Speaker 4: sort of finger wagging people like me evidently who you know,

689
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Speaker 4: if you think that JJ McCarthy can't do this because

690
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 4: you haven't seen it, then you're not analyzing, you know.

691
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Speaker 4: I'm paraphrasing the tweet and I agree with him, But

692
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Speaker 4: that's why I'm kind of out on him. I've seen

693
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Speaker 4: the other guys do it. I haven't seen him do it. Right,

694
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Speaker 4: that doesn't mean I don't think he can. And I said,

695
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Speaker 4: I feel like there are a lot of comparisons to

696
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Speaker 4: mac Jones being made there. I think that athletically he

697
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 4: blows mac Jones away.

698
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 5: He's more physically talented guy, like I.

699
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Speaker 4: Think he has a lot more ability than mac Jones.

700
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Speaker 4: The similarity is they're both seemingly rising up in the

701
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Speaker 4: first round as we get from the season to the draft.

702
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Speaker 4: That's the similarity to me. And now I'm not telling

703
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 4: you I wouldn't take him, but I think the other

704
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 4: three guys have done more and shown that they can

705
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Speaker 4: do it. If you believe in McCarthy, you're believing in

706
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Speaker 4: something that he hasn't shown you yet. Yeah, and that

707
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Speaker 4: makes you right. If you're right, you're right.

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Speaker 6: I totally agree. And that's the kind of guys that, like,

709
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Speaker 6: I just don't feel like at this stage of where

710
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 6: you aren't rebuild, that you can afford to kind of

711
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 6: take those chances of like, well it's not really there,

712
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 6: but we think we can get them there. I just

713
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 6: prefer them this year. Whatever position it is to take

714
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 6: guys that you've seen it there, you know it can fit.

715
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Speaker 6: Is he going to turn out to be great pro

716
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 6: there's always you know, you're always tossing the dice and

717
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 6: you don't know for sure. But and it's weird because

718
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Speaker 6: like I don't want to say that I want guys

719
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Speaker 6: with high floors, like because I think they need talent,

720
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Speaker 6: you know, I think they need they need guys with

721
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Speaker 6: high floors and high ceilings. You know, that's what they need.

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Speaker 4: And that's where Evan talks about Panis a little bit. Yeah,

723
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Speaker 4: there's a low floor there, but the talent part of it.

724
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Speaker 4: He's a really good passer, but he's not really high

725
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 4: end at all. A lot of other stuff. Now, I

726
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 4: think that he does seem like he gets a lot

727
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Speaker 4: out of it because I think he is a really

728
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Speaker 4: good leader. He's really respect us. I think that, you know,

729
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 4: for two different programs, he was the centerpiece of their success.

730
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 4: So there's a lot to like about Panis. But Evan's right, like,

731
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Speaker 4: it's not high end quote unquote talent.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Jim McCarthy. What frustrates me about j J. McCarthy

733
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 5: has nothing to do with him. It's just The propaganda

734
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Speaker 5: that has come out from NFL media about JJ McCarthy

735
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 5: in this draft process is I've never seen anything like

736
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 5: it in my time covering the draft. I've never seen

737
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 5: a pr campaign like this for a quarterback to prop

738
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Speaker 5: up a quarterback that he's this top ten talent when

739
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Speaker 5: it's just simply not there on film like that.

740
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Speaker 3: Good, then then Jim Harbaugh should take him and trade Herbert.

741
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Speaker 3: I said that before.

742
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Speaker 4: My brother said that to me. Yeah, Tuesday, he goes,

743
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 4: you know, it's just he's the best quarterback. Well, maybe

744
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 4: you know it's too bad at the clock, he goes,

745
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 4: it's too bad that he has Herbert, so you're not

746
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 4: going to know like you. I said, Well, if he

747
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 4: makes as good as he's saying he is, he should

748
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Speaker 4: be dealing Herbert for like multiple ones and taking this guy.

749
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Speaker 2: Right.

750
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was better than him, right.

751
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 5: I mean I was listening to Greg co Sell talk

752
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 5: about him this morning, and uh and Greg Cosell is

753
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 5: just ripping him for two straight minutes on this podcast

754
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 5: about all the things that he struggles with, and I'm like,

755
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 5: this is what's on the tape. Like you you can

756
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 5: talk about it as like this, you know, Pie in

757
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 5: the sky. This is what he could be, you know,

758
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 5: two years from now. But if you're the Patriots, are

759
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 5: you taking a guy that you have to wait two

760
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 5: years for him to be even maybe scratching the surface,

761
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 5: or are you need somebody right now? You can't wait that.

762
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Speaker 3: Long Chris and fort Worth, He says Evan, But this

763
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: could be for anyone. What's worse drafting McCarthy at three

764
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Speaker 3: or drafting cold strange in twenty twenty two.

765
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Speaker 5: Oh, I don't know, I don't know. I don't need

766
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 5: to relive the cold Strange pick.

767
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 4: My answer strange, Probably.

768
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Speaker 5: Strange just because he's a guard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and at.

770
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Speaker 6: The point of where that that Patriots team was and

771
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Speaker 6: how much they needed to nail that pick and they

772
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 6: just totally flow.

773
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Speaker 4: The people that are high on McCarthy, they might be right.

774
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 4: Maybe he could do more than he was asked to

775
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 4: do at Michigan and he does it in the NFL

776
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 4: like that. To me, everybody else thought was a fifth

777
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 4: round pick, right.

778
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 6: This is like if they said, like, well, what you know,

779
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 6: ninety nine would take Tom Brady at three over all?

780
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 6: Like what, No, that's ridiculous.

781
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 4: But hey, J. J.

782
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 5: McCarthy genius, The biggest issue that I have with him

783
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 5: isn't even about the Michigan offense. He can't control the ball.

784
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 5: His accuracy is wild. And he also he's a one

785
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 5: speed thrower. He's all velocity. He has no touch on

786
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 5: the ball. He doesn't control it well. That type of

787
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 5: stuff is really difficult to just all of a sudden boom,

788
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 5: you get it. Like, you know, he throws a five

789
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 5: yard you know, crossing route the same way he's gonna

790
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 5: throw fifteen yard out. You can't do that. It's just

791
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 5: leaving yards on the field. And he does it constantly.

792
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 3: Jared and Vermont, I'm going to be a big time

793
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: homer in this instance. And just admit I'm probably going

794
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: to be happy with whatever they do with their first

795
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 3: round pick. May Daniel LT Harrison trade back. All of

796
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 3: those scenarios right, chiming in. All of those scenarios make

797
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 3: sense to me. No one knows what they're talking about, Okay,

798
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 3: well we got to talk.

799
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Speaker 4: Then those are two different things, like you can because

800
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Speaker 4: I'm kind of like the emailer here, believe it or not,

801
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 4: I would be happy, I think with any of the

802
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 4: three quarterbacks. I would be happy if they said, you

803
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 4: know what, I like two of them and the one.

804
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 4: The two that I liked were one two and I

805
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 4: how to go in a different direction, went with Marvin

806
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 4: Harrison or trade it. I could absolutely be wishy watching

807
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 4: and talk myself into all three of those scenarios. It

808
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 4: has nothing to do with nobody knows what they're talking about. Yes,

809
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 4: we don't know who they're gonna pick. Yeah, we get it,

810
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 4: Like I the shot at us that has to constantly

811
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 4: accompany these people, like it's just so tiring. Yeah, I

812
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 4: don't get that. But yeah, I don't know who they're

813
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 4: gonna pick. I'm not not in the meetings. Let's see

814
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 4: what that will get it.

815
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Speaker 6: They don't get those is that we don't care, like

816
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 6: it's fun and we like looking at these guys and

817
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 6: it's like, oh imagine you get this guy like that.

818
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 4: We won't do any shows, we won't do any analysis.

819
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Speaker 4: Like well, I just feel it pull me back the

820
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 4: day after Sun Draft. It's a fool's errand I don't

821
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 4: know what they're gonna do.

822
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 5: I feel like that Paul's hundred percent right, and your

823
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 5: boy Felger does it all the time where it's like

824
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 5: the mock drafters are terrible it's like, it's not about

825
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 5: the mock drafts, Like I could care less if my

826
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 5: mock draft is right or not. We all know that

827
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 5: we're just throwing darts against the board when it comes

828
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 5: to the mock drafts.

829
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Speaker 3: I'm obliged to tell you and remind you that if

830
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831
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Speaker 3: of the New England Patriots, Toyota. Let's Go Draft JJ McCarthy.

834
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 6: No, let me let me ask since she's talked about Felger,

835
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 6: I got to bring this out. So this is like

836
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 6: one of his things, and I've heard it before, but

837
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 6: I just think he's absolutely ridiculous with Bill's boat thing

838
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 6: and naming it eight rings instead of six rings. And

839
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 6: then I'm thinking that I'm managing Paul, like walking driving

840
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 6: his boat with like six rings. I'm like, if it

841
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 6: was Paul or like a media member with but like

842
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 6: the guy has eight rings, like he wants to call

843
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 6: his boat when he wants, and he gets so worked

844
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 6: up about he takes credit for those two Super Bowls he.

845
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 4: Takes credit super Bowl like what he's got sick ring.

846
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 4: I mean it's not like, I mean there's a million

847
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 4: things to kill Felder about. That's not one nighte.

848
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 5: Every draft, every draft season, Felger attacks me in barth

849
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 5: like personally because he knows how much we get into

850
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 5: the draft. I like that he knows how much we

851
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 5: get into the draft, and he points and makes fun

852
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 5: at us because they do the Felger in Mas big

853
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 5: boy and his hit rate's just as good as our

854
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 5: hit raid and you know, YadA YadA YadA. So every

855
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 5: draft season I pull my hair out listening to them.

856
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 6: I actually, well, sorry, friend, I just to finish act

857
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 6: like they were funny. Yesterday though, they were talking about

858
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 6: are you somebody called in and they're like, well, it's

859
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 6: a new regime. Are you a little bit worried about

860
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 6: throwing darts? And they're like, to be honest, we kind

861
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 6: of are.

862
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 4: I did hear that? That was kind of funny. It's

863
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 4: funny like they think, like the mojo's thrown off because it's.

864
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 5: The best is is like, you know kind of that

865
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 5: we joke about. Deuce will come in in January and

866
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 5: tell me about some guy that Bart and I've been

867
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 5: talking for like six months. And it's funny because they

868
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 5: they'll like hit a dart on the board and they're

869
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 5: like Rome Dune and they have no idea who he is.

870
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 5: And when it's like a top ten pick is so.

871
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 4: Here's where I will kill this is like I said, like,

872
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 4: that's not one of the ones, you know, like.

873
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 6: Oh, it's a trivial, but I'll kill him.

874
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 4: They've gone on for two weeks telling you why Drake

875
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 4: May sucks and why Caleb Williams sucks when they openly

876
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 4: admit they do not watch any games. Yeah, so I

877
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 4: have to lik like I'm not like the emailer, Like

878
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 4: Chris Simms, he's a former quarterback. His father is, you know,

879
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 4: a Super Bowl champion. Yeah, I don't have to agree

880
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 4: with him. But I'll watch Kurt Warners breakdown of the Quarterbacks.

881
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 4: I'll watch General Lofsky's I'll I'll take it all in

882
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 4: and sort of try to sift through the information. Three

883
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 4: guys that openly admit they do not care and do

884
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 4: not watch anything, and they're telling me like, no, no,

885
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 4: that's ridiculous. Felger tell me it's ridiculous to start a

886
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 4: quarterback in day one and then somebody else zo in

887
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 4: the midday. Tell me it's ridiculous to take a guy

888
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 4: at three and not expect him to start on day one.

889
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 4: Like these guys openly admit they don't watch anything. Yeah,

890
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 4: who picks? Why am I? Why am I watching? Why

891
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 4: am I listening to that?

892
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 6: Who picks the names that they're throwing at? Like the

893
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 6: throwing the darts at? Like is it like barf picking

894
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 6: the names?

895
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 4: Or no? No, no no. In a magazine they roll markers

896
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 4: out and whatever the market hits. Yeah, okay, they do that.

897
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 4: But here's the thing that they don't tell you. They say,

898
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 4: Like they talk about the hit rate, they do three

899
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 4: for every position, So you're kind of up in your

900
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 4: rods that you're gonna get one.

901
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 3: And if you open the magazine to the top guys.

902
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 4: Like if you could pick like three, four or five

903
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 4: guys from every position every year, don't you think you'd

904
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 4: get one?

905
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 6: Well that's kind of what we do with the big board.

906
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 3: Polm.

907
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, And yet I'm right, yet, and yet I was

908
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 4: trying to give you guys credit.

909
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 5: Just got one last year and zip before I would

910
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 5: just say with the former quarterbacks thing that you know,

911
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 5: all these guys now have an opinion on the current

912
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 5: quarterback class, and I what I noticed from them is

913
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 5: that they watch, they grade the twenty twenty three film

914
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 5: and they say, you know, this guy's the best right

915
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 5: now in college. But when it comes to the draft,

916
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 5: that that's not what You're not trying to draft the

917
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 5: best college quarterback. If you're trying to draft the draft

918
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 5: the best college quarterback, then Mac Jones would have gone

919
00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 5: one to one in his draft, like he You know,

920
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 5: that's I think the difference that I see with their

921
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 5: rankings versus like draft media rankings, like a Dan Brugler

922
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 5: or Daniel Jeremiah projection. They're projecting how these guys are

923
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 5: gonna play in the league. Like I get that Drake

924
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 5: May has footwork issues and it might drive Dan Orlovsky

925
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 5: nuts that he has footwork issues, but somebody in the

926
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 5: league is saying, well, I'm gonna give him to avp.

927
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 5: Avp is gonna drill his footwork for six straight months

928
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 5: and we'll get it squared away.

929
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 4: You know.

930
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 5: Like that's the difference I think.

931
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 4: And I look at that funny too, and I'm with

932
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 4: you on this, and I think I saw you tweet

933
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 4: something about this f But like you have a guy

934
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 4: and Fred we were talking about this with Matt. If

935
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 4: you have a guy that has footwork issues but you

936
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 4: feel good about other stuff, like well, then you feel

937
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 4: good about the other stuff that you can't teach, right, Yeah,

938
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 4: Like I just come back and listen. Is he gonna

939
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 4: beat Josh Allen? He probably won't, right, Like, what are

940
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 4: the chances that two guys? But like Josh Allen played

941
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 4: pretty much right away. He played as a rookie, even

942
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 4: though he didn't start Week one eleven starts right, he

943
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 4: played as a rookie, and he was wild as hell.

944
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 4: Mike remember the game when he was throwing those passes

945
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 4: I always tell you about there was like it's like

946
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 4: three or four times you're like, this guy is all

947
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 4: over whoa did you see that one? Did you see

948
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 4: that one? It's like that whole thing about the scout

949
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 4: when you have the profile, when you're the six to

950
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 4: five guy who throws ninety five? Oh did you see that?

951
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 3: Ye? Did you see that?

952
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 4: They don't worry about that that he hit the bull

953
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 4: like nukle loosh, Right, you just sort of fixate on

954
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 4: the things that he does, right that to me is

955
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 4: Drake May. I can fix the mechanics dan Orlovski, I

956
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 4: can't fix the fact that these other guys don't have

957
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 4: the size, arm strength, mobility, toughness.

958
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 6: And that's that's that's why I want to go like,

959
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 6: let's just take a swing on him, and he has

960
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 6: some worts, But I don't need the mac tezes.

961
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 5: I think with Josh Allen because I did not like

962
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 5: Josh Allen coming out full disclosure.

963
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 4: Full disclosure. I absolutely loved him, Yeah, I.

964
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 5: Absolutely, But the one the one thing I learned from

965
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 5: the Josh Allen thing was that Josh Allen obviously had

966
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 5: all the physical tools, but his eyes were always in

967
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 5: the right places. The ball just didn't always go where

968
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 5: he wanted to go. And you can make it that

969
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 5: if you have a quarterback that can read the field,

970
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 5: that can see defenses, that can do all that, and

971
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 5: then has the physical tools, then you can fix things

972
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 5: on the margins. Can you can fine tune his release,

973
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 5: you can fix his footwork. What you can't do is

974
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 5: teach instincts and you can't teach physical tools. Like Zach

975
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 5: Wilson has all the physical tools in the world, he

976
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 5: doesn't know where to throw the football like you can't

977
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 5: fix that. It's really hard to train that.

978
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,640
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Speaker 3: What's up, Everybody?

1017
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 7: Patriots linebacker Matt Judon was on Good Morning Football. He

1018
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 7: talked about his recovery from his bicep injury and impressions

1019
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 7: of Drid Mayo as head coach.

1020
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 3: Let's have a listen to what he had to say.

1021
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Speaker 9: All right, start with your twenty twenty three season off

1022
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 9: to a hot start. Your season was cut short though

1023
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 9: with your bicep injury. Said, you haven't played since week before.

1024
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 9: Your body feeling great. Now take us more into that.

1025
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 9: How's the comeback going?

1026
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: Well? Comeback going uh good?

1027
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 10: You know, me and my trainer's Nick and Dan and Dallas,

1028
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 10: we're just working hard to get back all the strength

1029
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 10: and flexibility and we're there now. It's been a long

1030
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 10: time and so uh so for that, I'm.

1031
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: Doing really well. So let me ask you.

1032
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 9: People say, like when an achilles happens, they like you

1033
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 9: have that feeling roll up the back. What does a

1034
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 9: bicep injury feel like?

1035
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: When when I felt like like a rubber band hit me?

1036
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 9: So you said, power in your arms, shoulder, just like

1037
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 9: right where.

1038
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: It happens attachment. So uh I was like, damn, it's

1039
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: really hurting. For a minute, I was like I can't

1040
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: really like mend it. You can't move, you can't pick

1041
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 2: your arm up. Yeah I can't. I can't bend it.

1042
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 10: And then uh, the worst the worst party is like

1043
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:55,919
Speaker 10: trying to get the pass in jersey off. Oh them, No, Yeah,

1044
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 10: we still took it off. So I think if it's

1045
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 10: like broke or dislocated, they do it. But that was like,

1046
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 10: as your bodice have suck it up. So we took

1047
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 10: it off and uh and then like uh, obviously I

1048
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 10: had to shower, So I was like showering. Then couldn't

1049
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 10: you with my right hand? I was all lefty And

1050
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 10: then it was kind of hurting. But after that, uh,

1051
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 10: you know, got the surgery.

1052
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 2: And it started healing.

1053
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 10: Really fast, and I was trying to come back. I

1054
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 10: ain't get to come back this year, so uh, I

1055
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 10: got a lot of story next year.

1056
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 11: There you go, Patriots gotta do some healing, you know.

1057
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 11: I mean you know that, but some with Belichick, though

1058
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 11: you played for him for three years, what was it

1059
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 11: like when you finally heard like coaches leaving.

1060
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 2: Belichick was a great coach. Uh. I looked up to him.

1061
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 4: Uh.

1062
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: I think he was one of the best to ever

1063
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: do it. Uh.

1064
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 10: And at the clip that he did in the high

1065
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 10: level IQ that he had, it.

1066
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: Was it was amazing to learn from him.

1067
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 10: But I think just with him leaving, I think it's

1068
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 10: just new energy and new life in a building.

1069
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: Uh.

1070
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 10: You know, sometimes it's just time. And I think, uh,

1071
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 10: it was just kind of.

1072
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 2: One of those times.

1073
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 10: And I think, uh, we went to hire Mayo and uh,

1074
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 10: bringing bringing in somebody that's been actually there for those

1075
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 10: years that kind of understand player perspective and coaching and

1076
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 10: also how uh how coach Belichick actually ran the system.

1077
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 10: I think of bringing somebody like that instead of somebody

1078
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 10: that's outside that didn't.

1079
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 2: Know at all, uh kind of helped us.

1080
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 10: It kind of helped us because I think Mao seeing

1081
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 10: it going one way and he kind of trying to

1082
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 10: get it to go a different way. And so right

1083
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 10: there we got a we got new life, we got

1084
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 10: new you know, expectations, and right right now we just

1085
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 10: we all getting healthy and all getting back.

1086
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: Right.

1087
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 10: But I think when we start, we're all gonna try

1088
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 10: to kind of run through a wall for Mao, because

1089
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 10: he always had our back throughout everything that we go through.

1090
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 10: We always kind of will go talk to him and

1091
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 10: he will understand and he'd be like, all right, I talked,

1092
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 10: I had his.

1093
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 2: Kind of talk.

1094
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 10: I had his kind of talk, and then he would

1095
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 10: come to us. And also just talk to us.

1096
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 12: It's interesting because the Patriots for twenty three years with

1097
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 12: Belichick and Brady and now it's his different eraror and

1098
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 12: it's Mayo and the vibe you're talking about how his

1099
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 12: press conference was so different than any Bill Belichick press conference.

1100
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 12: Mayo gets up there and he immediately is like, Okay,

1101
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 12: ask me questions. He's smiling, he's laughing. Do you feel

1102
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 12: I would say a light in this building right now? Like,

1103
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 12: do you feel like it's a little lighter and it's

1104
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 12: a little less heavy and disciplinary. I don't say disiplinary,

1105
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 12: because I think Mayo is quite disciplined. I mean just

1106
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 12: no days off, no days off, no windows.

1107
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: Like does it feel little different?

1108
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 3: Uh?

1109
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah? But who that's who Mayo is. That's a man.

1110
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 10: He'd let his personality shine. He'd let who he is

1111
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 10: be a front. I think coach Belichick was like that too,

1112
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 10: but he was he was like that behind closed doors

1113
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 10: because he didn't want you to portray him in a

1114
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 10: certain way. And Mayo is like, what, this is who I am.

1115
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 10: This is who I've always been. I've been in the

1116
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 10: media before, you know, I had highs and lows in

1117
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 10: a game of football before y'all talked to me.

1118
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: I've been in the media.

1119
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 10: I had to do the personnel conference with that all

1120
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 10: the coaches do. And that's how he always was. He said, Okay,

1121
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 10: I'm gonna speak my mind. I'm gonna say what I

1122
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 10: need to say, and then that's gonna be it. And

1123
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 10: so that's that's who he is. He's gonna laugh, he's

1124
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 10: gonna joke with you, but he's also going to discipline

1125
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 10: you to it. I don't think, I don't think like

1126
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 10: he's a soft guy.

1127
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he was. He was top ten for a reason.

1128
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 10: Like he's not soft, and he he's also a leader

1129
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 10: of men, but he just does it in a different way.

1130
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 2: It's just like you said, it's just a new bod.

1131
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 9: I mean, you have to consider, like those two guys

1132
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 9: are allowed to be that way. Like Belichick came out

1133
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 9: and emerged from a completely different coaching era where that

1134
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 9: was kind of that was the norm. It was like

1135
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 9: you show your smile when the door is closed, and

1136
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 9: like it's only for a flash. Like Gerard in this

1137
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 9: new age of like he's a younger, he was a

1138
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 9: player and he was around these guys, like I think

1139
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 9: he just equipped himself as a different type of head coach.

1140
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1141
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 10: I think like when coach Belichick started, media wasn't like

1142
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 10: that big, right, Yeah, it wasn't that big, and media

1143
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 10: wasn't always around, and a camera wasn't always in your

1144
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 10: face and stuff, and you can kind of hide some

1145
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 10: stuff and kind of sweep some stuff under the world.

1146
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 2: And now it's not like that.

1147
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 10: Now it's like, maybe you'll starting quarterback, might have a

1148
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 10: camera crew with him at all time. And so I

1149
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 10: think Mayo is just adapting to that. He's adapting that.

1150
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 10: He's everything's going to be new for the first three

1151
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:54,479
Speaker 10: hundred and sixty five.

1152
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 2: Everything is going to be new to.

1153
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 10: Him because he's been in this position, but he's never

1154
00:50:58,640 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 10: been in a head coaching answa.

1155
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: Well, you said you.

1156
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 11: Liked Belichick, like you know, people maybe like him, don't

1157
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 11: like him. You're a Belichick guy. He likes playing for him.

1158
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 11: What did you think when he leaves the Patriots and

1159
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 11: then doesn't get another job and no one hires him.

1160
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 10: I think he has done it a certain way for

1161
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 10: so long. I think it's just hard to come to terms,

1162
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 10: and I think people had to move faster. It's not

1163
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 10: like you can play some franchise tag on a coach,

1164
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 10: it's like, Okay, we got to get this done now,

1165
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 10: because you got to start up valuating, you got to

1166
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 10: put together your coaches.

1167
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 2: You got to start doing this.

1168
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 10: And if you can't get that done kind of fast

1169
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 10: kind of coaching carousel, you kind of just move on

1170
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 10: to the next year.

1171
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 12: That's in case from someone to say to you, Hey,

1172
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 12: we're thinking about hiring Bill Belichick as the head coach

1173
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 12: next year. It's seventy three. Would Matthew ch Don say, hell, yeah,

1174
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 12: go hire that guy?

1175
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 2: Would I would? I would say hire that guy.

1176
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 10: He's going to be great for the organization, He's going

1177
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 10: to be great for the team. And then I I

1178
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 10: will also have to tell him about like the downfalls,

1179
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 10: Like you know, it might not be too many smiles

1180
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,919
Speaker 10: you get out to do. It might not be too

1181
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 10: many lasting jokes you might have got to get out

1182
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 10: on with the media and stuff and the press. Might

1183
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 10: you know, you're gonna have to have some pushback on that.

1184
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 10: Sou But I think as a higher as a head coach,

1185
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 10: like you couldn't get it's hard to get.

1186
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 13: Better when someone accidentally threw the school player costumes. Oh

1187
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 13: no replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof

1188
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 13: of delivery, everybody could focus on the perfect opening night

1189
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 13: FedEx where now it's next for residential delivery only.

1190
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 2: And now great moments in.

1191
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 3: History.

1192
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 5: Oh, Eric, honey, let me tell you it's possible to

1193
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 5: be boyd.

1194
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 6: We've been listening to you for all these years. Wow,

1195
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 6: all right, both, this is it to decide it? Miss Megan,

1196
00:52:58,960 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 6: Miss Meghan.

1197
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 4: Who do you got? I assume you are? You on mute?

1198
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 3: Oh? The suspense a tie lit?

1199
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 4: It's fitting, isn't it?

1200
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 6: Thank you for joining me.

1201
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 4: But for those of you playing at home, we have.

1202
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 7: The rules clearly say that I have to make up

1203
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 7: the final uh tie vote, so and I have to

1204
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 7: go with Fred on that one.

1205
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 4: All right, you are an ass kisser. You already have

1206
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 4: the job right.

1207
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 6: Watch me shake my head at your impressions just now.

1208
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 7: Ask been calling it fair.

1209
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 6: Somebody give morell napkin or a clean she's gonna wipe

1210
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 6: the stuff is falling.

1211
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.

1212
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 3: All right back here on Patriots Unfiltered, no phones but

1213
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 3: web radio at patriots dot com in case you want

1214
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 3: to email us. Yeah, that was what was that? The

1215
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 3: accent off or the impression off.

1216
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 6: So it wasn't really great for radio because Meghan didn't

1217
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 6: say who she picked. She just held it up. I

1218
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 6: don't know what she was doing. That's why she went

1219
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 6: to TV.

1220
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I won that fair and square.

1221
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 6: So Megan like dropped off.

1222
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 4: That's what happened.

1223
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, which was it?

1224
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 6: It wasn't a zoom was it?

1225
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 7: She was on zoom that day?

1226
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 6: It was rough.

1227
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't really remember that day.

1228
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,919
Speaker 3: You don't remember the impression off.

1229
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 4: I do remember that. I don't remember like Megan dramatically

1230
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 4: trying to make a pick or a voted great moments.

1231
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 4: I remember Christian Chris with a T I A and

1232
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 4: he chimed in with votes. One of the times we

1233
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 4: did that. Ye, plus the one I really remember was

1234
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 4: was you and Andy. That's the one that little girl

1235
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 4: and Dusel doorf That's the one. I don't think you

1236
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 4: can find anymore.

1237
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 3: What context was that.

1238
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 4: I think we scrubbed that one from the internet.

1239
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 3: Oh, but that it was still me and Eric.

1240
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you probably. Oh, maybe I was wrong. Maybe

1241
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 4: it's still available. It shouldn't.

1242
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 6: That's all you're allowed to say.

1243
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 3: It's all in fun, Paul, I know, Jake and which

1244
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 3: the rest of the world agreed with Jake and Melbourne Australia.

1245
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 3: If Pennix didn't have his injuries, where would he rank

1246
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 3: in this class of quarterbacks if he didn't have the injuries,

1247
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 3: if that wasn't an issue.

1248
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 5: Q four This is where I have I'm still before, Yeah,

1249
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 5: because I don't, like, I'm not a doctor. I'm not

1250
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 5: going to sit here and like look at his x

1251
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 5: rays and stuff like that.

1252
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 3: So Cuby Funny might be fourth in the first round.

1253
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I maybe, yeah, yeah maybe yeah maybe Like in

1254
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 5: the team he.

1255
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 4: Would definitively be ahead of McCarthy.

1256
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 5: For me, yes, okay, yeah, way more consistent. Yeah, but

1257
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 5: sounds right to me.

1258
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm not good at that.

1259
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:51,240
Speaker 3: Q before.

1260
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 6: That's ranking things.

1261
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I'm not like the Jordan Travis thing the

1262
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 4: other day. I told when you guys were still in Indie,

1263
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 4: my initial doubt was I don't think he was that hot.

1264
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 4: But I was like, maybe I was wrong, And then

1265
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 4: I looked it up and I did see that he

1266
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 4: was a Day three guy even before the injury staffs.

1267
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 6: Scrap.

1268
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 3: I'll tell you I forgot after the break. I have

1269
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 3: another read. It's a quick one, easy to drink, easy

1270
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 3: to enjoy, dipep but Light, the official beer sponsor of

1271
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 3: the New England Patriots.

1272
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 6: I've actually memorized that one.

1273
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, wait, let's hear it.

1274
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 6: Easy to drink, easy to enjoy, bud Light, the official

1275
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 6: beer sponsor of the New England Patriots.

1276
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 4: There you go.

1277
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 5: Okay, the job is your copy without So do we

1278
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 5: not have to read it on Tuesday now because we

1279
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 5: did to today?

1280
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 4: Well, I just wanted to, you know, I was I

1281
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 4: stepped on a little bit.

1282
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 5: I'll be giving out free advertising.

1283
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 3: Feel free to give out free bud Light. I'll take that.

1284
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, celts L from Wisconsin writes in uh, there

1285
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,479
Speaker 3: are some scenarios in which I won't be happy. One

1286
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 3: they trade down. I think there's enough talent worthy to

1287
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 3: take at three to keep the pick and take it.

1288
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 3: Two they take a tackle. Can't wait to have another

1289
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 3: four win team, but a solid tackle on the line.

1290
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 3: In three, they take bo Nicks.

1291
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 4: Need I explain this is at three?

1292
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 5: Well, bo Nix isn't going.

1293
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 3: I think he meant I think anywhere he says, you know, yeah.

1294
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 5: Bo Nix is interesting because he's Daniel Jeremiah uses Alex

1295
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 5: Smith as a comp for bow Knicks, where he's got

1296
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 5: really good accuracy within twenty I mean, he's at the

1297
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 5: completion record in college football. So it's not he's got accuracy,

1298
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 5: he's just not aggressive, Like he doesn't attack down the

1299
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 5: field aggressively like some of these other guys do. So

1300
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 5: if you it's not the Patriots, it's that's not the

1301
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 5: right team for bo Nicks. But if you're a team

1302
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 5: that has a lot of the you know, the Niners

1303
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 5: ish model, that has a lot of the the pieces,

1304
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 5: and all he's got to do is distribute the ball

1305
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 5: to them, then he's you could do worse.

1306
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 6: In do you think the signs will be pointing towards

1307
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 6: what they'll do with a trade down just based on

1308
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 6: how they kind of address the quarterback position, because I

1309
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 6: just it's it's hard to believe if they just have

1310
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 6: like a seat warmer, they go and get like a

1311
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 6: Jacoby Brissett kind of a guy that that they wouldn't

1312
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 6: take a quarterback at three. You know, like if they

1313
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 6: maybe make a little bit more an investment of the

1314
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 6: quarterback position, that might point more towards trade down, But

1315
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 6: it's hard to see them sign Jacoby Brissette and then

1316
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 6: draft bon Nicks in the you know, in the second

1317
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 6: if he were.

1318
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 4: If he were too like if they signed a guy

1319
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 4: for like three years, you know, if they signed Baker

1320
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 4: Mayfield for three years and he'd be like.

1321
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 6: Oh, they could probably trade down.

1322
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 4: I'm kind of telling you that they're comfortable if he's

1323
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 4: the guy for for a little.

1324
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 6: While to trade down and get a Doomsday or you know,

1325
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 6: somebody lower ten and you know, and then you're looking

1326
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 6: at next year. We got an extra first round pick,

1327
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 6: and it'd be tough to swallow, but I think I

1328
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 6: could do it if if, if it was executed correctly,

1329
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 6: and the.

1330
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 5: Trade down, I'm starting to come around to it a

1331
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 5: little bit. If you don't love the quarterbacks, don't you

1332
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 5: hate yourself for it? It just six with the Giants

1333
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 5: is interesting? Is if the Falcons right or at eight? Like,

1334
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 5: that's also interesting. You know, if you trade down in

1335
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 5: the packages that you see or usually like a Day

1336
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 5: two pick this year and maybe a future first round pick,

1337
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 5: and depending on how the rest of the league views

1338
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 5: the quarterbacks, that could be even more than that. The

1339
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,959
Speaker 5: Patriots are are are they gonna drop? You know, Drake

1340
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 5: may into this situation and be ready to go probably not.

1341
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 5: You know, you look at these, you know, the guys

1342
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 5: that they could get in the five to ten range.

1343
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 5: You could walk away with Joe Alt, you could walk

1344
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 5: away with Roma Dunze, You could walk away with a

1345
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 5: real stud player at that spot still and have it

1346
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 5: get still draft a blue chip guy and then have

1347
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 5: all this amo to go out and do more afterwards.

1348
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 5: It's not if you execute it properly going forward, then

1349
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 5: it getting all those picks is very enticing, like It's

1350
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 5: not a terrible way to go about it.

1351
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 4: I feel similarly, and I think it puts it puts

1352
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 4: a lot of stress on your scouts because I think

1353
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 4: the question that would need to be asked is is

1354
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 4: there a guy that will be in the twenty five

1355
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 4: draft comparable to Daniels or May whichever one is the

1356
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 4: third guy that's that's left standing. And if you think

1357
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 4: the answer to that is yes, but I think you

1358
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 4: need to strongly consider that because you can add more

1359
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 4: pieces and get a comparable quarterback later, you know, depending

1360
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 4: on how it goes. Now, there's no guarantees because you

1361
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 4: might not get the third pick, you might not be

1362
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 4: in position to get the one guy you like. But

1363
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 4: if you have that that out of the ammunition, you

1364
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 4: should be able to get where you want to go.

1365
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 5: That's the other thing is you have the am and

1366
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 5: then you also have the amo to trade for veteran

1367
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 5: players if you want to go that route too. You know,

1368
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 5: if Brandon Nayik becomes available on the trade market, now

1369
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 5: you have picks to go, and you can't trade. In

1370
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 5: the Patriots current situation, it's hard to trade. You know,

1371
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 5: Lagarious sneed Like, you're gonna trade thirty four for Lagarius Snead.

1372
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 5: You're gonna trade a high pick for a receiver right now?

1373
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 5: Probably not? But next year if you have two first

1374
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 5: round picks and now you're you know, you have more

1375
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 5: ammunition than me.

1376
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 3: But here's what okay, So let's just say that the

1377
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 3: scouts say that there is a comparable guy to may

1378
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 3: Or Daniels. Next year, you trade down. This year, you

1379
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 3: have that ammunition to get there. So now you're using

1380
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 3: that ammunition to get a guy that's comparable to a

1381
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 3: guy you could have got this year.

1382
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 5: Right, But then you have all the players that you

1383
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 5: drafted this year.

1384
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 4: Plus a lot of different guys that you wouldn't have gotten.

1385
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 4: You would it would be just May or just Daniels

1386
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 4: or but the next someone may adjacent plus but Marvin Harris.

1387
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 4: The next year, you're going to give up whoever else

1388
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 4: to get somewhere you.

1389
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 3: Need to go. So you won't be able to pick

1390
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 3: guys next year. You know, I don't know.

1391
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 4: That's but that's why you have the added picks to

1392
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 4: get where you want to go.

1393
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 3: That's right, you will, but but you'll lose them for

1394
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 3: next year you'll have to use.

1395
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 4: But you'll have a better player in addition.

1396
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 3: To the quarter Now you said comparable, you know, so I.

1397
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 4: Just could get good.

1398
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 3: No, but you'll get the better players this year.

1399
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 4: Right, right, But the players that you wouldn't be able

1400
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 4: to get, right.

1401
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 3: But next year you won't be able to get those players.

1402
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 4: But you'll be able to get a quarterback similar to

1403
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 4: the one that you would have taken this year. And

1404
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 4: that's all you would have gotten. So whatever it is

1405
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,959
Speaker 4: propos and I am not I'm not anti trading down,

1406
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 4: which is never happens to me. You have a chance

1407
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 4: to get like the number six pick in the draft

1408
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 4: where you can get Roma Dunza. You can't get that

1409
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 4: if you just take the quarterback at three, that's correct. Yeah, right,

1410
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 4: And that's that's the thing that and you can get

1411
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 4: the quarterback like the guy that you're gonna take at

1412
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 4: three next year. In this scenario, it's again it's a

1413
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 4: roll of the dice. It's a lot of pressure on

1414
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 4: your scouting to put you better be right that there's

1415
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 4: a guy that you know, it's not just Shedua Sanders.

1416
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 4: It's someone next year who's gonna be really good that

1417
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 4: people maybe don't. I don't know about it.

1418
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 3: I I just feel like if you're looking ahead to

1419
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 3: twenty five and you're you're going to be okay with

1420
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 3: getting a guy who's comparable to this year, get the

1421
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 3: guy this year and get him now, like, let's not

1422
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 3: wait another year. And I understand you get all those

1423
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 3: extra picks.

1424
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 4: That's that's the flip side. Yeah, but that's the debate.

1425
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 3: Get the quarterback and and you know next year we

1426
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 3: don't have to give up picks to get a quarterback.

1427
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 4: Right, So here you feel you, Freddy.

1428
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 5: So here's the mock draft that I did on my

1429
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 5: own time because I'm, you know, a nerd, and uh.

1430
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 6: This is like a supernal Yeah.

1431
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 5: Yea I'm gonna review it right now. So what I

1432
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 5: did was is I traded three to Atlanta for eight,

1433
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 5: forty three and a twenty twenty five first round pick.

1434
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,919
Speaker 5: So with the picks, now I have eight, thirty four,

1435
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 5: forty three, and sixty eight all this year, it's appealing.

1436
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 5: And so at eight I took Joe Alt. At thirty four,

1437
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 5: I took Xavier.

1438
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 3: Worthy, right, because they're all going to be there.

1439
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 4: Well, that might be all right.

1440
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 5: At forty three, I took to Davian Sanders, the tight

1441
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 5: end from Texas, because I love Texas guys, both Texas guys, right.

1442
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 5: And then in this mock draft, I at sixty eight,

1443
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 5: I traded it for Justin Fields. Now, you could take

1444
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 5: a player at sixty eight too, But the point is

1445
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 5: is that if you want to just take Justin Fields

1446
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 5: out of this, because this is just this one example,

1447
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 5: you are now going to put a quarterback in twenty

1448
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 5: twenty five into an offense and said, has Joel protecting

1449
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 5: his Brian side, Xavier Worthy, Jatavian Sanders, and let's say

1450
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 5: another offensive playmaker at sixty eight, whereas you're gonna take

1451
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 5: Drake May and you're gonna have him throw to Kendrick

1452
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 5: Bourne Pop Douglas like that. That's that's the that's the

1453
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 5: argument for the trade does year.

1454
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 3: This year he's gonna have Pop Douglas. But next year, sure.

1455
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 5: But this is a historic, historically good tackle and receiver class.

1456
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 5: So I took all tackles and receivers in the in

1457
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 5: the top one hour.

1458
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 4: It's not in a vacuum. But you're talking about individual

1459
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 4: players that won't be available next year. Now, I'm kind

1460
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 4: of with you, Fred, They kind of tell me this

1461
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 4: every year about the receivers. Yeah, Like, I feel like

1462
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 4: next year's cropper receivers might not be as good as

1463
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 4: this I don't think that's fair. It might not be

1464
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 4: as good as this one, but to be comparable.

1465
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, the last time that we talked about a receiver

1466
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 5: class like this was the Jamar Chase here, So it

1467
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 5: was way back then.

1468
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, yeah, just like, but it doesn't it

1469
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 3: seem like in college more and more of these classes

1470
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 3: have good receivers. Like you're getting really good receivers in

1471
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 3: the second round consistently now.

1472
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 5: But I would say that the Jamar Chase here also

1473
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 5: was at the top, right, Yeah, Jamar Chase, DeVante Smith,

1474
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 5: those guys at the top these but this class goes

1475
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 5: through the top one hundred and twenty five picks, Like

1476
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 5: you're gonna get guys on day two in this class

1477
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 5: that last year would have gone on day one. You

1478
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 5: know a guy like you know I mentioned I took

1479
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 5: Xavier Worthy at thirty four. Xavier Worthy is the number

1480
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 5: one receiver in the class last year. You know, So

1481
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 5: that that's the difference in this class. The depth is

1482
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 5: the difference. You know, there's guys on day two. You

1483
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 5: know I'm going through them all now. You know, a

1484
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 5: guy like Xavier Legette is a stud that's gonna be

1485
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 5: potentially on the board for the Patriots in the third round. Like,

1486
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 5: there's just there's a ton of them. There's probably gonna

1487
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 5: be like twenty receivers taken in the top one hundred.

1488
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 3: Bronson in Salt Lake City. So say we take QB

1489
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 3: in the first round. Seems like you guys set on

1490
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 3: taking a tackle in the second round. I don't watch

1491
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 3: a ton of college football, but I just I'm watching

1492
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 3: the combine and a bunch of YouTube videos. If lad

1493
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 3: Lagette or Walker are there, do you take any of them?

1494
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 3: I know you aren't high on Keon and don't think

1495
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 3: Ad will be there at thirty four. I have no

1496
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,959
Speaker 3: idea what he's talking about. So do you take any

1497
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 3: of those guys and go after a tackle in the

1498
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 3: third and maybe Smith or another tackle in free agency?

1499
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 3: My hopes are we also resigned Dugger and Mike and

1500
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 3: then hopefully go get someone like Ridley and Bayered And

1501
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 3: do you think we have enough money to go get

1502
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 3: all those guys.

1503
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 6: I'll just jump in and say it's I just think

1504
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 6: that what Evan just laid out, the depth of the

1505
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 6: wide receivers is better, and once you get past like thirty,

1506
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 6: the tackles fall off a cliff and you're talking about

1507
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 6: real developmental guys. So that's why it feels like tackle

1508
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 6: in the crosshairs for that early second round pick.

1509
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, the tackle class. There are some guys that you

1510
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 5: can get maybe at sixty eight or even in the

1511
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 5: top of the fourth round that I would that are

1512
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 5: are high floor. I hates using that term, but like

1513
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 5: high floor players like a Roger Rosenngarten from Washington for example,

1514
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 5: who's their right tackle? Like I think he's going to

1515
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 5: be a solid NFL pro, But is he going to

1516
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 5: be like a stud tackle at the next level probably

1517
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 5: not whereas at thirty four. That's really where it stops.

1518
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 5: Where this is a day one, plug and play, you know,

1519
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 5: don't touch him for ten years type of guy. Once

1520
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 5: you get past that, you're more talking about jags. You

1521
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 5: guys that you get over here.

1522
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 3: You talk tackle. You're talking both sides.

1523
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 5: Right for the most part, like there are there are.

1524
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 5: It does get a little bit more right tackle heavy

1525
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 5: once you start to get into the thirties. Obviously, like

1526
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 5: the left tackles are gonna go higher, but you know

1527
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 5: they're they're they're both sides. I would say, you know,

1528
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 5: obviously Alton Vashan who are are left tackles, and you

1529
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 5: know then there's a guy like jayc. Latham from Alabama

1530
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 5: who's a prot typical right tackle. So it does go

1531
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 5: on both sides.

1532
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 3: Let's see, Alex says, does anyone else feel like Joe

1533
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 3: Milton gives off a Josh Allen type feel? I know

1534
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 3: Allen was a higher rank prospect than Milton is, but

1535
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 3: they both have elite arm strength. Milton is bigger than

1536
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 3: some of the tight ends in the league, running ability

1537
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 3: with the similar frame, but just more athletic than Josh Allen,

1538
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 3: why not take a second quarterback in this draft? And

1539
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 3: if they do, would you want Milton or someone else?

1540
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 3: I think it would be good for camp to have

1541
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 3: some competition as well.

1542
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 6: That's what I just said. I think Milton will be

1543
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 6: fun for somebody in a camp. Sure, I mean I

1544
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 6: take them here, depending on how it all plays out.

1545
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 6: I don't know if they're down with the double dip.

1546
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 6: But now, I always like those guys that you know,

1547
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 6: have like a couple interesting traits that would be for

1548
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 6: some fun in the summer, even if they're not going

1549
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 6: to play during the season.

1550
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 4: I think Milton is interesting. He didn't play very well

1551
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 4: no last year, no or really and that was college. Yeah,

1552
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 4: but that was his big chance. Like you know, you know,

1553
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 4: Hooker got hurt, you know, the year before he was done,

1554
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 4: So was Joe Milton's show. That was a pretty good team.

1555
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 4: You know, Tennessee had sort of been coming on a

1556
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 4: little bit, and I don't know, I I kind of

1557
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 4: understand what Mike is going and I sort of put

1558
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 4: myself in the Bob's discout furniture studio and I was like,

1559
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 4: I wouldn't mind watching this guy. Fourth quarter of a preseason.

1560
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 6: Complete incomplete bomb.

1561
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 4: I'm not a he can throw the ball a double

1562
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 4: dip in the same draft though, like the whole RG

1563
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 4: three Kirk Cousins thing, I think is so overblown. Ye

1564
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 4: if the guy you pick, you know stuff as a

1565
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 4: catastrophic knee injury. Yeah, it worked out great that you

1566
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 4: had a guy that you picked and he turned out

1567
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 4: to be pretty good in the fourth round. But otherwise

1568
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 4: I think it kind of represents a wasted pick.

1569
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 5: I would say Joe Milton is more Anthony Richardson than

1570
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 5: he is Josh Allen. I think Josh Allen is it

1571
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 5: a different stratosphere as a prospect coming out than Joe

1572
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 5: Milton was. But I look at Joe Milton as like

1573
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 5: a discount brand, store brand version of Anthony Richardson, say

1574
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 5: measurable's arm strength, all that kind of It's.

1575
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 4: Funny you brought up Richardson to watch in NFL Network

1576
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 4: and they have like these free agent showcase games and

1577
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 4: they're doing one for Jacksonville right now with Calvin Ridley

1578
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 4: but Richardson playing, and it's just like, I just don't

1579
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 4: feel like you got a real sense of right.

1580
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 5: If I was the coat, if I was the Cults,

1581
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 5: I would take Joe Milton in the third on day three,

1582
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 5: because you have two guys. It's literally there. To me,

1583
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 5: they're carbon copies of each other. Just Joe Milton's not

1584
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 5: quite as polished as Anthony Richardson is, and Richardson gets

1585
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,719
Speaker 5: hurt again and you have the same exact quarterback backing

1586
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 5: them up.

1587
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 3: Anakin from tatooin, right.

1588
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,759
Speaker 4: I hate I hate.

1589
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 3: That his email is Darth skeptical, so I don't know

1590
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to give his real name. But anyway,

1591
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 3: isn't it a bit disingenuous to say JJ sailed throws

1592
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 3: in the combine when the wide receiver he was paired

1593
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 3: with ran the wrong routes. In those instances, the wide

1594
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 3: receiver never made it to the cones. You would see

1595
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 3: what I mean, yea, for those out routes. Few quarterbacks

1596
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 3: overthrew on the deep passes, but that's expected. I would

1597
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 3: give JJ a chance.

1598
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 4: I'm not saying I wouldn't, but I just I've never

1599
01:10:56,160 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 4: seen a performance so grossly change based on what your

1600
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 4: I see and what people are telling you what actually happened,

1601
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 4: then this one.

1602
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,640
Speaker 5: I would say that I would give JJ McCarthy the

1603
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,759
Speaker 5: benefit of the doubt if he doesn't do the exact

1604
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 5: same thing on film, like literally.

1605
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 3: Like if a guy doesn't get to the cone like

1606
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 3: sailing it is, wouldn't have mattered, you know what I mean?

1607
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 3: Like I saw the passes and they were like, you know,

1608
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 3: six seven feet over his head.

1609
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 4: And I'm not gonna pretend to know that that who

1610
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 4: you know, who was at fault or if they're you know,

1611
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 4: But I just he looks to me like a guy

1612
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 4: who puts an awful lot into every throw. And when

1613
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 4: guys do that, you tend to overthrow the ball a

1614
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:36,600
Speaker 4: lot because you compensate, You overcompensate.

1615
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1616
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't mean I'm right. I'm no way expert.

1617
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 4: I'm just that's what I see if.

1618
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 5: You see it all on his film of him throwing

1619
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 5: the ball ten yards over guy's head, mostly to his left.

1620
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 5: But like I if he tries to throw it out

1621
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 5: like a ten yard out, it's good luck, like it

1622
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 5: of where it's going, you know.

1623
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 4: That's the way.

1624
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 5: So when he throws guy overthrows guys at the combine,

1625
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 5: it's like, am I gonna give him the benefit of

1626
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 5: the doubt when he just I could watch him do

1627
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 5: it fifty times the same exact way at Michigan.

1628
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 3: Tom in Somerville. Why are you also quick to dismiss

1629
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:06,839
Speaker 3: Chris Simms rankings.

1630
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 4: I'm not. I just I want to stay for the record.

1631
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 4: I don't dismiss quarterbacks. Know a lot more about this

1632
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 4: stuff than I.

1633
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 3: Did you just look at the list or did you

1634
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 3: listen to his explanations? I do not watch films, so

1635
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 3: if excuse me, if I defer to people who do

1636
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 3: watch film like Evan and Sims. Sims track record has

1637
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 3: more hits than missus. No one is perfect in player evaluations.

1638
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 3: I challenge Evan to take a few minutes to look

1639
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 3: at sims analysis of the quarterback in detail where he disagrees,

1640
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 3: rather than just completely dismissing his opinions.

1641
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 5: I don't completely dismiss his opinions. I just think he's wrong,

1642
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:45,679
Speaker 5: and I have an opinion like he has an opinion.

1643
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 5: I mean, he can have an opinion. I just think

1644
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,719
Speaker 5: that when you, you know, looked at the twenty twenty

1645
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 5: one quarterback class and you put Zach Wilson as the

1646
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 5: best quarterback in that class over Trevor Lawrence, I gonna

1647
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 5: be a little bit skeptical that every you know now

1648
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 5: I'm supposed to believe you.

1649
01:12:58,120 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 6: And it's just consistent with him. It's just that he

1650
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 6: always has something like what Yeah, always that guy. He

1651
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 6: always is, no matter what, even when it goes back.

1652
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 4: To the guy that for years told you that Brady

1653
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 4: wasn't that good, right, And that's so.

1654
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 5: And in twenty one he also had uh Kellen Mond

1655
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 5: rated higher than justin fields coming out of college.

1656
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 4: So it's just I get it.

1657
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 5: Everybody has their own opinions, everybody is entitled to them.

1658
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 5: But I'm just you gotta have some sort of a

1659
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 5: track record for me to start to trust you. I

1660
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:26,799
Speaker 5: think you had one good class.

1661
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 4: And I don't dismiss him. I don't dismiss any I

1662
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 4: try to use it all like I don't. I'm not

1663
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 4: an I'm not a scout. I'm not a personnel guy.

1664
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 4: It's not what I do for a living. I try

1665
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 4: to watch a little of these guys, and then I

1666
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 4: try to listen to how they have talked about by

1667
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 4: guys that did play and guys that do make these decisions.

1668
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 4: Daniel Jeremiah is a guy who has been in personnel departments.

1669
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 4: I do listen to him a little bit.

1670
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 5: Me too, I value his opinion that I think.

1671
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 4: I think all of these things are part like of

1672
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 4: you know, like Bill used to say, the mosaic when

1673
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 4: you put it all together. I don't just say Chris

1674
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 4: Sims is the guy, like, No, I don't. I don't

1675
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 4: think he can do that. I just think it's interesting

1676
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 4: to see how one guy thinks so differently than another guy.

1677
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 4: Jeremiah is the best.

1678
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, real quick along those lines a little uh.

1679
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 6: You know, we're doing this Patriots Draft Countdown podcast. Now

1680
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,640
Speaker 6: we've kind of taken those positional previews and put them

1681
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 6: into that. And yeah, we lined up Daniel Jeremiah today

1682
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 6: to talk to us, so that'll be those will be

1683
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 6: coming starting next week on Wednesday, so we'll be pumping

1684
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 6: those out. So yeah, looking forward to talk to him.

1685
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 3: Brandon and Pennsylvania wants our opinion on the possibility of

1686
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 3: let's say we draft a quarterback in the first round

1687
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 3: and we keep Mac Jones and Mac Jones outperforms this

1688
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 3: quarterback then also plays better. What happens then that's bad?

1689
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 3: Do we play back or play the first.

1690
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 6: Round quarter I think you got to get rid of

1691
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 6: Mac if you're going to do the jurch I mean,

1692
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 6: there's a couple of reasons you should get rid of them.

1693
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 4: But I will play along because I like to play.

1694
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:51,719
Speaker 6: I like to play.

1695
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 4: I think you'd play Mac. But I don't think there's

1696
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 4: any chance that Mac Jones is a Patriot come training camp.

1697
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't do that.

1698
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 4: But if he plays better than the guy, I think

1699
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,679
Speaker 4: then you you wait till the guy's ready, Yeah, because

1700
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 4: that means the other guy's playing really bad. Sorry, I've

1701
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 4: seen Mac Jones.

1702
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 6: Fit yeah, and and like to your point, Paul, like,

1703
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 6: what's worse is it? I mean, just generally speaking, that

1704
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 6: you go sign Jacoby Brissett and you pay him new

1705
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 6: money to be that guy, or that Mac actually turns

1706
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 6: it around and now you're already paying him on a

1707
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 6: rookie deal. This isn't new money at.

1708
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,600
Speaker 4: I think he's talking about with a rookie No, I know.

1709
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 6: But then like if he mean or like, you're not

1710
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 6: going out and now we're drafting a guy and and

1711
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 6: spending guy. You know, you're not spending on the free

1712
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,560
Speaker 6: agent anymore. You're using Mac as the bridge, but you

1713
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 6: already have on the roster.

1714
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 3: So in all fairness, just to Mac, you got to

1715
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 3: get rid of them, Like, if you're Max's agent, like

1716
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 3: you should.

1717
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 6: Be out there saying that they would have seven Super

1718
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 6: Bowls by now.

1719
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 4: I'd be very surprised if if they're not working with

1720
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 4: that right now, Yeah, and trying to figure out what

1721
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 4: makes sense now they might wait till free agency to

1722
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 4: see if they actually can land us. Yeah, because you

1723
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 4: could say Jacoby Brissett, Well Gardner Minshew somewhere else doesn't

1724
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 4: mean you're gonna get them.

1725
01:15:58,840 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1726
01:15:59,040 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 4: I mean I.

1727
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,679
Speaker 3: Feel for the kid, and I think the Patriots should

1728
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 3: just do him a solid and whatever you want to

1729
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 3: give me, I'll take. Don't hold out for fourth if

1730
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 3: someone's giving you a seventh or whatever, just just move them.

1731
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 3: What fourth I'm saying, like first round, don't hold out

1732
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 3: for that is what I'm saying.

1733
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 4: Two ones. I wouldn't trade Jimmy Garoppolo for four number one.

1734
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 5: The conversation though about should the quarterbacks start right away

1735
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 5: if they draft a guy. I didn't realize like how

1736
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 5: people have opinions on that.

1737
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 3: It's a very polarizing opinions on it. He wrote a

1738
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:36,600
Speaker 3: book about it.

1739
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, very polarizing topic, which I surprises me. I just

1740
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 5: for me, I just if he's ready, he's ready, Like,

1741
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 5: I'm not going into it with the plan of we

1742
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 5: are definitely sitting this guy for the whole year.

1743
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 4: Bill, I don't know how many did you have any

1744
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 4: as an assistant?

1745
01:16:54,560 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 6: I don't know what was his boat named four rings?

1746
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 4: Andy Reid.

1747
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1748
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:07,679
Speaker 4: Astant coach, but he just named his boat.

1749
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 3: Who gets worked up about what someone.

1750
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 4: Named their boat?

1751
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 5: Like fulger?

1752
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:12,679
Speaker 4: Have you met.

1753
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 3: Tayshawn and Connecticut says rumor that the Saints are going

1754
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 3: to release Michael Thomas, would you pick him up?

1755
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 4: No?

1756
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 6: You know, like slamp boy, banged.

1757
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 3: Up, banged up.

1758
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 5: I'm all side too, Okay, we gotta we gotta be

1759
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 5: in a higher tax bracket than than Michael Thomas. Like

1760
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 5: we've had enough Michael Thomas's roll through here.

1761
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 4: Christian, Michael Thomas, Michael Jenkins wasn't Christian?

1762
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 3: In North Carolina says in defense for all the people

1763
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 3: in North Carolina speaking about Drake May, I don't think

1764
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 3: it has anything to do with us being fans, as

1765
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 3: I specifically don't even root for uh North Carolina, but

1766
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 3: I watch any and all college games and watch prospects

1767
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 3: that are important to the Patriots. I'm just not in

1768
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 3: love with his game. Everyone fantasizes about his being Josh Allen.

1769
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 3: There was only one Josh Allen. I believe the film

1770
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:09,600
Speaker 3: that Daniels Caleb in Pennix has shows they can be

1771
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 3: starred as in the NFL and not just projections.

1772
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,679
Speaker 6: I hear that a little bit because I mean, Evan,

1773
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 6: you know, laid out my draft process, which is pretty funny.

1774
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 6: But you know, as I've watched, like you know, we've

1775
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 6: kind of settled, like I feel like I've settled on

1776
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:25,640
Speaker 6: Drake May right now, and then I'm now, like, you know,

1777
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 6: watching some more Drake May, and it's like you realize,

1778
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:30,560
Speaker 6: like he's not perfect, like he has some holes, like

1779
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 6: they could he could be a miss like and you

1780
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 6: just you get I think once you attach yourself to

1781
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 6: a prospect, you just start to get those blinders and

1782
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 6: you don't want to hear about the bad stuff, and

1783
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 6: you don't want to hear about what might not work out,

1784
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 6: and you know it's he certainly has those things, certainly.

1785
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,640
Speaker 4: But I do not think that Drake May is a

1786
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 4: projection anymore so than anybody else. Drake May did these

1787
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,600
Speaker 4: things in college. Now, maybe you at the email or

1788
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 4: didn't like him, and that's fine to each to each

1789
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 4: his own. But JJ McCarthy had games, we didn't throw

1790
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 4: the ball ten times. That's a projection. I've never seen

1791
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,600
Speaker 4: him put the offense on his back and have to

1792
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 4: do everything for the tap. I've seen Drake May do that. Now,

1793
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,639
Speaker 4: maybe to you a point, he doesn't do it well enough.

1794
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 4: But don't tell me that Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams

1795
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 4: did stuff that Drake made it. They've they've had to

1796
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 4: be the centerpieces of their teams in some cases for

1797
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 4: multiple years. JJ McCarthy didn't have to do that. That's

1798
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 4: a projection.

1799
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just I always find it fascinating. And Caleb,

1800
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 5: I feel like has rightfully so avoided this a little bit.

1801
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:34,679
Speaker 5: But if j if Drake May's twenty twenty two tape

1802
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 5: was his most recent tape, then this would not even

1803
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:38,919
Speaker 5: be a conversation because.

1804
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 4: In twenty two that worries me. He was outstanding because

1805
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 4: he had better talent around him and told a little

1806
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 4: bit like he had Josh Downs, which was big, But

1807
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 4: that worries me. I remember in twenty two as watching

1808
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 4: Josh Downs, and obviously Texan Barth was like Josh Down's.

1809
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 5: Good, Who the heck is this quarterback?

1810
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 4: Right?

1811
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 5: And that's when he tells me his autobiography of Drake

1812
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 5: May and and.

1813
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 6: Up the shot.

1814
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 4: I gets to go along with you from all angles.

1815
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,679
Speaker 5: But but my point is is that in twenty two,

1816
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 5: you know, he was outstanding, just like Caleb been twenty

1817
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 5: two to one Heisman, and then they both kind of

1818
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:15,679
Speaker 5: took a little bit of a step back this past

1819
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 5: year and Jaden was out outstanding and won the Heisman.

1820
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 5: So it just it depends on almost like what order

1821
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 5: you watch things in. So I, you know, I've been

1822
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 5: like enthralled a little bit with Drake May full disclosure

1823
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,680
Speaker 5: since the twenty twenty two season and being you know,

1824
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 5: watching him, you know, tear up Clemson in twenty twenty

1825
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 5: two and be like, who the heck is this guy?

1826
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:36,560
Speaker 4: My concern with Drake May is consistency and mechanics and

1827
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff. And he might be a bust,

1828
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 4: but it's not about I've never seen him do it.

1829
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 4: It's not a projection for me.

1830
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, And that's why I keep saying he's worth missing on.

1831
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 6: He's worth missing at three on. There's just if you

1832
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 6: miss on him at three, you get you that happens.

1833
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 4: None of these guys are a fool proof. That's why

1834
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 4: I get annoyed when well, just to you know, take

1835
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 4: Joe Walt. That's the safe pick. Like if there was

1836
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 4: such a thing, everybody would take the safe guys and

1837
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 4: make sure they've got a good player with their first pick.

1838
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 4: None of these guys is a sure thing.

1839
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 3: Speaking of that, Mike says, Mike, continue to be the

1840
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 3: uncle we all deserve. But I want to bring attention

1841
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 3: to the fact that NFL teams always extend or resign

1842
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 3: average or better offensive tackles. Every tackle that ever hits

1843
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 3: free agency has a consensus injury that makes them available

1844
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 3: or is at the age thirty or over. The Patriots'

1845
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 3: best move is to trade down draft to tackle and

1846
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 3: pray that they hit a tackle that can block. I

1847
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 3: know not every draft pick works, but the Patriots don't

1848
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 3: have a functional offensive tackle on the roster after that.

1849
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 3: I don't care what the Pats pick, but they have

1850
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 3: to take a chance on the one position. And he

1851
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,560
Speaker 3: says it's offensive tackle that no team will ever make available.

1852
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 5: That's fair.

1853
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:49,719
Speaker 6: I like what he wrote, and I think the wide

1854
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 6: receivers are getting like that too, right, Like the teams

1855
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 6: are now, like these guys aren't hitting free agencies. We've

1856
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 6: talked about numerous times, and you're always trying to draw

1857
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 6: the diagram up of how to get one of these guys,

1858
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 6: and it's it's the same thing with tackles. It's a

1859
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 6: it's a good email.

1860
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1861
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 5: No, That's why the trade down scenario I brought up

1862
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:10,440
Speaker 5: earlier is that's the scenario is Joe alt or Romadounza

1863
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 5: or neighbors and tackles receiver, tackle receiver, tackle receiver in

1864
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 5: the top one hundred and then you just got these

1865
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 5: guys to then build for the next five years.

1866
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:21,720
Speaker 6: Or it's like Trent Brown who has issues, you know,

1867
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:24,679
Speaker 6: has has like some real questions with him, even though

1868
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:25,640
Speaker 6: he has talent.

1869
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 3: Size Jeff in Canada, he says it's a good day

1870
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 3: to email with no phones. There was a report he's

1871
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 3: got that in quote and we use that word lightly

1872
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 3: last week that James Daniels was at the top of

1873
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick's draft board before he left the building. Do

1874
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 3: you believe it? And if so, who do you think

1875
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 3: put the that word out there?

1876
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 5: Well, there's a very uh, there's a picture of Bill's

1877
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 5: standing with Jaden Daniels at LSU's Pro day last year

1878
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 5: and they spend a significant amount of time talking for

1879
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 5: whatever it's worth. So I I honestly think that that's

1880
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 5: where this is all stemming from, is that he took

1881
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 5: a liking to him at the pro day last year.

1882
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:08,640
Speaker 5: And so then you connect the dots.

1883
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 6: Like, can I ask the stupid question, does Bill Belichick

1884
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:13,680
Speaker 6: have a draft board? Like like is this something that

1885
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 6: like he would be thinking about ahead of time? Like

1886
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:18,640
Speaker 6: part of me feels like like he he already is.

1887
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 4: I don't know about a board. But if Evans, like

1888
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 4: at that pro day when he spent all that time

1889
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 4: with Jayden Daniels, he has in his mind, this is

1890
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 4: the best quarterback in the draft, right yeah? Yeah that

1891
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 4: now he might he might be saying to himself, Yeah,

1892
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:36,799
Speaker 4: be a good third round pick, because that's what quarterbacks

1893
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 4: mean to me.

1894
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 5: That's that at the time, he was a third round.

1895
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 4: Right, That's that's possible. Like this, Evan just stole it,

1896
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:47,600
Speaker 4: but that's how he thought. Like everybody else is going

1897
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:49,639
Speaker 4: to be all over the guys that you know right

1898
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 4: that are going to go number one in the draft.

1899
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 4: I'm going to beat the system and get this guy

1900
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 4: in the third round because they don't matter. It's all

1901
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 4: about me. But that's how Bill thought.

1902
01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 6: But then he elevates the first overall and.

1903
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 4: Too much. It shines off no longer interested. I'm just

1904
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 4: gonna be the second pick of the draft out.

1905
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 5: Does he have a relationship with Brian Kelly because that

1906
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 5: was something that I also like, They're like finally, I

1907
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 5: mean he Brian Kelly's from around here, So so maybe

1908
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 5: I wonder if Brian Kelly was like a stretch that

1909
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 5: this this Jayden Daniels kid that we have here is

1910
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:20,919
Speaker 5: gonna be ridiculous.

1911
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 3: Like he would say it with a Southern accent.

1912
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 6: Maybe maybe he's gonna be ridiculus.

1913
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 5: Maybe you should, maybe you should, you know, chat with

1914
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 5: him a little bit and see, you know what happens.

1915
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:33,599
Speaker 3: Maybe Uh, Jeff has a second question. Do you think

1916
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 3: that given the right situation, Mac Jones could have a

1917
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 3: decent three to five years in the league ahead of him?

1918
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 3: If yes, would that bother you that the Patriots couldn't

1919
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 3: get that out of him.

1920
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 6: I'm gonna say, no, bother you. If he had, I say,

1921
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:47,680
Speaker 6: it would bother me, and it would. It wouldn't just

1922
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 6: bother me. That that that that they didn't see it,

1923
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:51,679
Speaker 6: but that I didn't see it because I don't.

1924
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 4: I don't see it.

1925
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:54,599
Speaker 3: Keyword there is decent.

1926
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 4: Well, just I assume that he means like he could

1927
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,679
Speaker 4: be a someone started for the next three to five years,

1928
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 4: A decent Would that bother you? No, it would bother me.

1929
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 3: Really bother me.

1930
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 4: I mean that you didn't get you didn't get the

1931
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 4: most out of him. I don't think he's a starting

1932
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 4: level quarterback. I don't.

1933
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it's any doubt that we did

1934
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 3: him dirty and that he's that would bother me. He's

1935
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 3: not as good as we hope. But he's not as

1936
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:17,759
Speaker 3: bad as he looked.

1937
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 4: But like when you're saying decent, you're saying like middle tier. Yeah,

1938
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 4: like the middle twelve Derek Carr. Yeah, that would bother me. Yeah,

1939
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 4: he's as good as Derek Carr. Me too, But it

1940
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,759
Speaker 4: would bother me because great cop though, yeah great?

1941
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 3: But I remember when we like Okay, so let's go

1942
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 3: back to that draft. If you said, at number ten,

1943
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 3: what was he, fifteen fifteen, you're gonna get Derek Carr,

1944
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 3: would you have been okay? Oh?

1945
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would have been would have been. But I

1946
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 4: like Derek Carr. I think a lot of people don't,

1947
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 4: so we'll go to my shows. Now he sucks, Well,

1948
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 4: it's just he blows mine.

1949
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 5: Derek Carr was like a viable starting quarterback for like

1950
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 5: a decade in the NFL.

1951
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 4: But like he I think he's he's never been a

1952
01:25:57,479 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 4: star and absolutely right, but he's better than decent.

1953
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 3: But yes, but no one ever said Derek Carr can

1954
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 3: take it to a super Bowl. That's who I'm looking for.

1955
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 5: Seventeen people were saying I wouldn't necessarily at fifteen, Like, yes,

1956
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 5: with the third overall pick, you're looking for the guy

1957
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 5: that can drive the engine to the super Bowl. But

1958
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:17,640
Speaker 5: at fifteen you're already in that next tier of prospect

1959
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 5: most likely. I mean most teams have like eighteen first

1960
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:23,600
Speaker 5: round grade, so you're already into a you know, a

1961
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 5: guy that's a little bit lower. But I'd be more

1962
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 5: frustrated about it because of the Patriots wrongdoing. It's like

1963
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 5: anything against it bothered me. You know, We've been saying

1964
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 5: it all in this show. For from what I have.

1965
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:35,639
Speaker 3: Said about that, I don't need him to be decent

1966
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 3: for me to prove to me that the Patriots had wrongdoing.

1967
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 4: But the thing, that's what I'm saying. I think the

1968
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 4: Patriots contributed to his demise, yes, but I don't think

1969
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 4: he was anything. If it turns out that the Patriots

1970
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:49,720
Speaker 4: contributed to his demise and he was something that would

1971
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 4: bother me, yes, And that's what the guy is saying.

1972
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 4: He's going to be a serviceable NFL quarterback for three

1973
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 4: to five years.

1974
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 3: Like it bothers me that, you know, we didn't get

1975
01:26:59,000 --> 01:26:59,719
Speaker 3: a chance to see.

1976
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would bug them.

1977
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 3: They screwed him. Yeah, now he could be he could

1978
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 3: amount to nothing and so what. But still regardless, they

1979
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 3: mishandled it. They mishandled.

1980
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 6: But like you said, done dirty. And that's a common

1981
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 6: refrain about mac and I totally agree with the Matt

1982
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 6: Patricia of it all. But like there's certainly a line

1983
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:22,639
Speaker 6: like it's never easy for a quarterback, and like even

1984
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 6: in the worst of circumstances, you see some kind of

1985
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 6: nugget of perseverance, of ability to lead, of ability to

1986
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,719
Speaker 6: rally the guys around him, And that's what was devoid

1987
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:32,599
Speaker 6: Bill O'Brien.

1988
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 4: I personally think it will end up being one of

1989
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 4: the best things that happened to him, because no one

1990
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 4: will ever say that, poor guy, he just got overdrafted.

1991
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 3: He sucked.

1992
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 4: I would say that poor guy, they saddled him with

1993
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:43,639
Speaker 4: the defensive coordinator.

1994
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 5: But it's not even just the Matt Patricia of it all.

1995
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 5: They didn't surround him with any talent.

1996
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it was terrible, but I went on a

1997
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 3: rant a few weeks ago about he's got to go

1998
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 3: regardless because not of how he played, but all the

1999
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 3: leadership stuff and all that other stuff, you know, led

2000
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:02,879
Speaker 3: to his demise.

2001
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 4: He was like Elliot Wolf would have.

2002
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 6: I mean, do you but do you think that do

2003
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 6: you think that Derek Carr would have looked as bad

2004
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 6: in this offense last year as Mac Jones?

2005
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 8: No?

2006
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 5: No, But I think Derek Carr's a veteran quarterback that

2007
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 5: has been around the block for a while. I think

2008
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:18,680
Speaker 5: that the Matt Patricia thing, we've beaten that enough. But like,

2009
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:21,799
Speaker 5: how many times did all of us sit here and say,

2010
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 5: you gotta go get Mac a number one wide receiver.

2011
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 5: You gotta go get Mac, you know, a stud on

2012
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 5: the outside that he can throw Pat like, they never

2013
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,959
Speaker 5: surrounded him with any talent, Not to mention the offensive

2014
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 5: line just decayed from the inside out as well. So

2015
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:38,639
Speaker 5: like you're talking about a guy that just really from

2016
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 5: all angles, they just gave no chance like that. We

2017
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 5: used to laugh at teams that used to do with

2018
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 5: the way that Patriots did it.

2019
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:48,640
Speaker 3: I mean, I know this is an absurd hypothesis, but

2020
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 3: let's say that Tom Brady was drafted at fifteen and

2021
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 3: he came onto a similar team that Mac Jones, and

2022
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 3: they treated him the same way. No talent. It three

2023
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 3: coordinators and three years it's been better. There's no doubt

2024
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 3: he because he's Tom Brady, but he would have been

2025
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:11,639
Speaker 3: so pissed that his emotions might have gotten he might

2026
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 3: have like demanded a trade after two years. Yeah, like

2027
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 3: you know, it was a bad situation.

2028
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 4: It's a hard time.

2029
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a hard confident, you know with Brady and

2030
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 6: I just yeah, but you know, and even when you

2031
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 6: do have those number ones, there are gonna be games

2032
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 6: where that guy's hurt and you gotta find a way.

2033
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 6: And it's just like, and I get what Evan's saying,

2034
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 6: and you know, he's right. They should have given him

2035
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:34,599
Speaker 6: more surrounded him, but there were still some NFL players

2036
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 6: around him, and there just was never.

2037
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 5: Even that who was the NFL player.

2038
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 4: But like Hunter.

2039
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 6: Henry's fine, Like I mean, they're fine, but he just

2040
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 6: did nothing.

2041
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 4: He did nothing just twenty one.

2042
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 5: He didn't do nothing like he did twenty one. He

2043
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 5: he had some people around him, right, The offensive line

2044
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 5: wasn't a complete mess. He had he had Hunter Henry,

2045
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 5: he had Jakobe and they made the playoffs like it

2046
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 5: just they took the rule book of like how to

2047
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 5: the script of how to develop a young quarterback and

2048
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 5: they did all the total opposites. They they changed the

2049
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 5: coordinators on him. They never got And I'm not talking

2050
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 5: about like in the defensive mac. I'm saying when they

2051
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 5: if they draft Drake May and they just do the

2052
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:14,640
Speaker 5: same thing again, they're gonna ruin another one. And that's

2053
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:17,759
Speaker 5: why Bill's not here anymore, is because they were worried

2054
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 5: that he was just gonna do the same thing.

2055
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I listen to players, you know, like we

2056
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 3: think that players are just in their own little bubble

2057
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 3: and they don't care about anything else but themselves. But

2058
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 3: Matt Judon yesterday said, you know, the guys, if he's

2059
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 3: here next year, he's gonna have four coordinators in four years,

2060
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:35,799
Speaker 3: Like he's a defensive guy. Who's even thinking about that stuff?

2061
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 3: You know?

2062
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:39,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just I think Mac. I think Mac can

2063
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 6: be a quality just a backup that you that you

2064
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:43,720
Speaker 6: kind of feel like. I think he could maybe win

2065
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 6: a game for us, But I just don't think he's

2066
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 6: the guy that you're gonna I agree.

2067
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 5: I agree to, And I'm like the frustration with me

2068
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:51,760
Speaker 5: is more about like the personnel side of things. Like

2069
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 5: they had they had him on a rookie contract, they

2070
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:56,599
Speaker 5: had assets to go out and say, you know, we're

2071
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 5: gonna get these guys around him, and they just never did, and.

2072
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:00,599
Speaker 6: They explicit he said it too.

2073
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 3: And how this started is, you know, was the email.

2074
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,640
Speaker 3: And I'm already bothered. I don't need him to be

2075
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:09,640
Speaker 3: a decent quarterback for what they did to bother me.

2076
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:10,720
Speaker 3: It already bothers me.

2077
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 4: It won't bother It won't bother me if he doesn't

2078
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:13,639
Speaker 4: do anything.

2079
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:15,799
Speaker 3: I hope the best for him. I hope he becomes

2080
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 3: a decent quarterback, you know, as a human being.

2081
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:22,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, do you hope Zach Wilson does?

2082
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:22,760
Speaker 3: Yes?

2083
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 4: They do, don't.

2084
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 3: I don't really care as much about him because he

2085
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 3: wasn't on this team but.

2086
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:34,720
Speaker 4: At least at least wil I don't know human being cares,

2087
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 4: but I don't wish you like.

2088
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:38,720
Speaker 3: I hope he doesn't do well.

2089
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not saying. I'm not saying I hope

2090
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 4: he does poor for my own benefits, and I don't care.

2091
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:47,719
Speaker 4: There's a difference between wanting him. You said it would

2092
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 4: it would bother me as a Pats fan if he

2093
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 4: goes somewhere else and shows that it was our fault,

2094
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 4: but there wasn't. Just I think both of these things

2095
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 4: can be true. Everything Evan said is true. I think

2096
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 4: he guy can't like if Tom Brady, which by the way,

2097
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 4: inherited a very similar situation in all one, I don't

2098
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:07,839
Speaker 4: think this would have looked like that if Tom Brady

2099
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:09,600
Speaker 4: was the guy in the draft that you but in

2100
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 4: your hypothetical difference though.

2101
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 3: The difference though, and it's why I included it, that

2102
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 3: are if he had been drafted in the first round

2103
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 3: of fifteen, there'd been more expectations.

2104
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 6: At him, and I would say, two friends to your point,

2105
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:22,800
Speaker 6: if Mac did, I would I would be upset that

2106
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:24,680
Speaker 6: the Patriots missed on him, couldn't There would be a

2107
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 6: part of me that felt happy for Mac because they

2108
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:28,760
Speaker 6: know he's a good kid. You know, I like all

2109
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 6: this back. Yeah, he's a pretty I think he's a pretty.

2110
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:33,680
Speaker 4: Good the way he acts. Think you're pretty sure that

2111
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 4: he's a good kid.

2112
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:35,599
Speaker 6: I mean he's is he immature?

2113
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 3: Is he? Yeah? A little bit?

2114
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 4: He's baby. Yeah years, you're a good kid.

2115
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 6: Twenty four years.

2116
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 3: I just a bad kid.

2117
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 5: I just wish that there was a world just from

2118
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:48,720
Speaker 5: like the Patriots side of things, right where they take

2119
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 5: twenty one, McDaniel stays, they go into twenty twenty two

2120
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 5: and whether it's Taekwon Thornton's actually good, or instead of

2121
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 5: trading for Devonte Parker they actually traded for a real receiver,

2122
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:00,880
Speaker 5: or whatever the case may be, at least would have

2123
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:03,479
Speaker 5: given Mac a fair shake of Okay, maybe he does

2124
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 5: just suck and it doesn't work out, or maybe it

2125
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 5: does work out and we're not in this position.

2126
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:10,720
Speaker 4: I'll take it another place. If they decide, you know what,

2127
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:12,920
Speaker 4: two years we've seen enough of Taekwon Thornton and he

2128
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 4: goes somewhere else and becomes like a seventy catch guy.

2129
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 4: That'll bother me too. I don't think just like Mac Jones,

2130
01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:22,880
Speaker 4: I don't think that will happen for Taekwon Thornton. I

2131
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 4: think saying that was our fault, not his. He had

2132
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:29,760
Speaker 4: the ability, we didn't get it out of him. That

2133
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 4: would bother me.

2134
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 5: Poor kid, somebody's son Paul self destructed.

2135
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 4: Going all on your own here all along?

2136
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:43,799
Speaker 3: Are you wondering what to do without game day weekends

2137
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:45,679
Speaker 3: a little bit? Well, you can spruce up your home

2138
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 3: for festive spring brunches with Bob's latest party ready seasonal

2139
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Speaker 3: dining styles. Whether you're looking for storage, pack seating, expandable options,

2140
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Speaker 3: or cozy coffee tables, be sure to shop Bob's discount

2141
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2142
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 6: I could use a cozy coffee table cozy coffee table

2143
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:06,480
Speaker 6: out of coffee tables.

2144
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:07,880
Speaker 5: Because I'm a big fan of coffee tables.

2145
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 4: I don't mind coffee tables, but yeah, I'm kind of

2146
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:12,519
Speaker 4: with friend on this. How does one become cozy?

2147
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 6: Edges could have cushion. You could you also use it

2148
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:15,120
Speaker 6: as a footy school.

2149
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 3: Okay, that's cozy, so when the kids run around they

2150
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 3: don't bang their head and die.

2151
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 4: What this may happen to me?

2152
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 6: It's a coffee table book about coffee tables be Kramer's

2153
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:25,280
Speaker 6: second I got I got you, I got your reference

2154
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:25,799
Speaker 6: the sequel.

2155
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 4: So the pilot was on the other day Freddy Oh,

2156
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 4: Seinfel pilot doesn't like the stand up.

2157
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 3: Well that first year of seinfeldt wasn't that great. No,

2158
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 3: it's the stand up take it from somebody who knows.

2159
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:38,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I will, I like Curb better. Is that like

2160
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 5: some people think that's a hot take. Some people don't.

2161
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 3: Well, Curb could do things that Seinfeld couldn't because.

2162
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 5: I just think it's a funnier show.

2163
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 6: I think the interesting about Curb was like you saw

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01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:51,040
Speaker 6: the influence of Larry David on Sign. Oh yeah, you

2165
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 6: never really realized.

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01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:55,440
Speaker 5: Have you seen that episode when when they like everybody's

2167
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:58,040
Speaker 5: telling him that he's George yeah, oh yeah, and and

2168
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 5: he's just like, I'm not George, I'm not George, just like, no,

2169
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:01,599
Speaker 5: you're definitely Georgia.

2170
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:06,639
Speaker 3: Uh David and Bethlehem. I loved Evan's comment about Sims.

2171
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 3: You can have an opinion. Anyone can have an opinion.

2172
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 3: His emphasis made opinions sound like a skin condition which

2173
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 3: needed medical intervention before Sims could kiss anyone.

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Speaker 6: Speaking of which, I went to the dermatologists today. I'm

2175
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 6: good everybody, so don't worry about me. I was very

2176
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 6: I didn't know you had It's a mole and I

2177
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 6: just got I got some moles.

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01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 4: You gotta get check.

2179
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:26,920
Speaker 6: You get your moles checked out. Thanks for sharing, But

2180
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:28,559
Speaker 6: I was I said to the lady. She was like,

2181
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 6: you know, I have used the dermatolois. She was like,

2182
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:33,639
Speaker 6: you know, did you ever get like sunburn, like blistered

2183
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 6: or anything like that? And I said, well, I was

2184
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:37,519
Speaker 6: a middle school fact kid who never took his t

2185
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 6: shirt off. And now I see that as like a

2186
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:41,679
Speaker 6: strength because I always was covered up when I was little.

2187
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:43,400
Speaker 6: But I probably got burned a couple of times, like

2188
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 6: in Mexico and college. You know you're drinking, you pass

2189
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 6: out on the beach, you get Was that what she

2190
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 6: was talking about, like, I don't know. I was just

2191
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 6: giving her the whole I'm getting. I'm still I'm lying there,

2192
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 6: button naked on the thing.

2193
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:54,160
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2194
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 6: We're trying to make conversation, but maybe do you mind

2195
01:35:57,040 --> 01:36:02,720
Speaker 6: if I checked the button, give a little bit, you

2196
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:05,840
Speaker 6: get the full check. That's a slap, but don't ignore

2197
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 6: your dermatologists. Folks make sure you sign up there for.

2198
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 5: I'm very glad we got that story in.

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01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:15,360
Speaker 3: It all comes back to Seinfeld. Remember he was dating

2200
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 3: the dermatologist and he called her, you know, you're just

2201
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:21,760
Speaker 3: a pimple pusher. And then somebody in the restaurant says,

2202
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 3: she saved my life. That skin cancer. He's like skin cancer, Mike,

2203
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,840
Speaker 3: and Charlotte says, if Mac was done dirty, then why

2204
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:34,519
Speaker 3: did they win eight games with Patricia and only four

2205
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 3: with Billy? Oh was basically the same team.

2206
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:38,800
Speaker 5: I think he was never basically the same team.

2207
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:40,720
Speaker 3: I think he was never very good and it just

2208
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:43,360
Speaker 3: didn't work out. Like a lot of high drafted quarterbacks.

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01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 5: I mean, it wasn't basically the same team. But if

2210
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 5: that's what we want to say, we can say.

2211
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:50,559
Speaker 4: That definitely weren't the same opponents, which to me is

2212
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 4: the more that too.

2213
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh Alec and Berlin dark. Mike giving Hot takes

2214
01:36:57,120 --> 01:36:59,559
Speaker 3: on the Patriots not keeping their players, But that was

2215
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 3: the old You have to check all of that out

2216
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 3: the window, Mike. It's a new era in Foxborough. And

2217
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:07,759
Speaker 3: to that point, Duggar, as you know, is the subject

2218
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 3: of a transition tag. Yes we do. Oh, we do

2219
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 3: know that I'm not sure we're talking about it at

2220
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:13,559
Speaker 3: the beginning of the show.

2221
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:17,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I feel like I initially coming into

2222
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:19,599
Speaker 6: off season was kind of like I don't I mean,

2223
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:21,679
Speaker 6: I was just kind of so depressed with the roster

2224
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:23,479
Speaker 6: that I just was in that phase of like just

2225
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:26,120
Speaker 6: let everybody go out. But you know, I just I

2226
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:28,759
Speaker 6: think the bigger point though, is just even though guys

2227
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 6: have some wortz and they might not be perfect, they're

2228
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 6: your guys and you've you've put time into them. And

2229
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:36,240
Speaker 6: and I think both those guys, especially off the field

2230
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 6: as well, you know, have the traits you want to

2231
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:40,840
Speaker 6: keep around and you want to build around. So when

2232
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 6: you have this much cap space and you're not making

2233
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:45,439
Speaker 6: tough decisions, you know, I think that's just it's almost

2234
01:37:45,479 --> 01:37:48,759
Speaker 6: more to me about this message it sends to the team,

2235
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:50,879
Speaker 6: and that's why, you know, I think to the transition

2236
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 6: tag earlier, it is a little bit like not ideal.

2237
01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:58,000
Speaker 6: I mean, ideally you'd love to say, hey, we're gonna

2238
01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 6: roll Big Mike and Kyle Duggar out same day, same table.

2239
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:03,240
Speaker 6: They both signed contracts, and this is you know, this

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Speaker 6: is how things are gonna get done around here. But

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01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:06,840
Speaker 6: you know we'll see. I mean, look, we're gonna learn

2242
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 6: a lot in the.

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01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 3: Next four days, zaying in New Jersey, if Mac Jones

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01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:13,120
Speaker 3: was actually good, then Bailey ZAPPI wouldn't have played in

2245
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 3: the exact situation as Mac and performed as well or better.

2246
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:19,400
Speaker 3: I was off the Mac train when he continuously made

2247
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:21,120
Speaker 3: dirty plays to opposing teams.

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01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:23,680
Speaker 5: That's fine. I just for the record, I am not

2249
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 5: saying that Mac Jones is good. I am just saying

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01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:27,720
Speaker 5: that they.

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01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:31,360
Speaker 4: Hypothetical that the emailer brought into this whole discussion, like

2252
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:33,760
Speaker 4: think both things can be true.

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01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 5: Mac might not doesn't have it, and they butchered the

2254
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:38,519
Speaker 5: situation like that, that's all we're saying.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think they I still think they could have

2256
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:41,640
Speaker 6: pulled a little bit more out of Mac, you know,

2257
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 6: like it's not I I don't know they could have

2258
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 6: done one.

2259
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:48,639
Speaker 5: You mentioned the free agents though, and their own free agents.

2260
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 5: Mike on winnho I think is a really is kind

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01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 5: of a tough one for me because scheme fit. I

2262
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:57,040
Speaker 5: think he's a guard, like I don't think. I don't

2263
01:38:57,080 --> 01:39:01,400
Speaker 5: think he's a tackle, and the scheme fits great, and

2264
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:04,160
Speaker 5: he's gonna be a top of the market Guard. You're

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01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:08,679
Speaker 5: gonna be paying him fifteen sixteen, seventeen million dollars a year,

2266
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:12,599
Speaker 5: and I just I mean, you don't have to tell

2267
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:14,599
Speaker 5: Paul that we don't have to pay guards seventeen million

2268
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 5: dollars a year.

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01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 4: Oh, but I do recognize you guys have been talking

2270
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 4: about this for a long time, both of you and

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01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:22,240
Speaker 4: I do recognize that your situation on the offensive line.

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01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:25,080
Speaker 4: I like to diminish the importance of the offensive line

2273
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:29,040
Speaker 4: doesn't mean you can have no proven commodities on the

2274
01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:32,759
Speaker 4: offensive line. David Andrews, I think is back in the middle.

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01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 4: The rest to me, without a when you is really

2276
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:40,640
Speaker 4: hard to project and it's a question mark. So I

2277
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:42,559
Speaker 4: get it. You don't want to spend money on a WHENU,

2278
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:43,559
Speaker 4: but you might have to.

2279
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, you'd love it if if it was like Cold

2280
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:48,800
Speaker 6: Strange City Show and Antonio Maffi, you know, rises up

2281
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:50,400
Speaker 6: and you've got a good trio that you know you

2282
01:39:50,439 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 6: can make it work. It doesn't have to be elite.

2283
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:54,720
Speaker 4: Can two out of those three be very you know?

2284
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:56,719
Speaker 4: So Mafi and Jake.

2285
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 6: Andrews next to Andrew, Can you get.

2286
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:00,000
Speaker 4: Two out of those three to be good players?

2287
01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 5: I think I think City is a serviceable game. He

2288
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:05,519
Speaker 5: was definitely the best of those three lines, especially as

2289
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:08,520
Speaker 5: a run blocker, and we'll see how the pass blocking progresses.

2290
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 5: But their best interior line next year to me is

2291
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:15,080
Speaker 5: is you know City David Andrews Big Mic, you know,

2292
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:18,240
Speaker 5: left to right, and i'd where that leaves cold strange,

2293
01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:21,679
Speaker 5: I frankly don't care, but I just you're paying Big

2294
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 5: Mic a lot of money that either way, and he's not.

2295
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:26,080
Speaker 5: I don't think you're paying him a lot of money

2296
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:27,800
Speaker 5: to play tackle. So that's just something you have to

2297
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:28,200
Speaker 5: talk about.

2298
01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:29,639
Speaker 6: It's going to be interesting to see how they viewed

2299
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:31,880
Speaker 6: strange and like what what what that all is like

2300
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:34,160
Speaker 6: because I mean, as Paul said, I mean our opinion

2301
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:35,840
Speaker 6: of that pick and and he certainly. I mean, I

2302
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 6: know we had a few good games last year and

2303
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 6: maybe starting to show a little bit. But it's just

2304
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 6: be interesting if they're just like nope and they just

2305
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:44,360
Speaker 6: cut them, you know, something like that, where it's like, wow,

2306
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:46,040
Speaker 6: it really was as bad as it.

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01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,160
Speaker 3: Kind of seemed with him well, and plus you know,

2308
01:40:48,439 --> 01:40:50,840
Speaker 3: now with the new regime, there's no like I don't

2309
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 3: want to say loyalty, yeah right.

2310
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 6: Exactly, Yeah, you know, they don't feel tied to him anymore.

2311
01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:59,640
Speaker 4: I mean, there is still still bad the guys that

2312
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:02,320
Speaker 4: draft of them here, the coach, they didn't want.

2313
01:41:02,240 --> 01:41:06,360
Speaker 3: Him, you know, I think, Mac, why do you know something?

2314
01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 3: I was going to make faces or do you know something?

2315
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:11,800
Speaker 4: I just can't. I just can't go there. I can't

2316
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:14,080
Speaker 4: put it all on. Like, I know, Bill had the

2317
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:16,720
Speaker 4: final say, and he's responsible for picking guys, but I

2318
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:20,160
Speaker 4: just can't say that everyone that's bad nobody else wanted them.

2319
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:23,639
Speaker 4: And I can't believe like Bill had final say, ultimately

2320
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:26,519
Speaker 4: he's responsible. And I asked me why the last ten

2321
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:28,599
Speaker 4: years drafted be like and I will say Bill Belichick

2322
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 4: did not do it.

2323
01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:31,559
Speaker 3: And I can't believe in this instance that people who

2324
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:35,479
Speaker 3: spent the whole year watching film of college players decided

2325
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:39,000
Speaker 3: to take a guard from Chattanooga, Tennessee in the first round.

2326
01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:42,160
Speaker 3: I can't believe that that's a Bill pick.

2327
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:44,720
Speaker 4: Okay, then he should be cut.

2328
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:48,839
Speaker 3: Then he was Oh you mean col Strange.

2329
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:54,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, if everybody else hated him and he played the

2330
01:41:54,280 --> 01:41:56,240
Speaker 4: way he did in the two years, I expect him

2331
01:41:56,280 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 4: to be out of a job.

2332
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:59,559
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Bill, probably we need a guard. We need

2333
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:02,040
Speaker 3: a guard. We need a guard. You know. I like

2334
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:05,640
Speaker 3: this kid. He's you know, blah blah blah, smart kid.

2335
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 5: God owned in mobile. But I saw something different, you know.

2336
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:11,360
Speaker 4: Ayah, listen, I can't tell you you're wrong. I don't

2337
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:13,559
Speaker 4: know what the true story is. You might be right,

2338
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:14,760
Speaker 4: you might be right.

2339
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 5: My favorite part about the Cold Strange pick now is

2340
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:19,320
Speaker 5: like the Bilbos have come out and decided that he's

2341
01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:22,040
Speaker 5: actually good at football. Like Cold Strange is.

2342
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:25,320
Speaker 4: That he's just this happened after his rookie year. Oh,

2343
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:29,360
Speaker 4: he's a quality guard after Bill Belichick, who evidently is

2344
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:32,000
Speaker 4: the only one in the in the the six one

2345
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:33,920
Speaker 4: seven area code who had any belief in him. But

2346
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:36,960
Speaker 4: he might bench them three times in his rookie year.

2347
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:39,280
Speaker 4: And everybody told me in the off season that I

2348
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:41,040
Speaker 4: was wrong for saying that he had a bad.

2349
01:42:41,240 --> 01:42:43,880
Speaker 3: He might end up being here decent, but you didn't

2350
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:45,479
Speaker 3: have to take him in the first round.

2351
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:48,400
Speaker 4: Oh I, that's a different argument. I'm totally with you

2352
01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:48,640
Speaker 4: on that.

2353
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:51,880
Speaker 6: It's like talking about but he.

2354
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:55,760
Speaker 4: Wasn't good first round, fifth round, He got benched three

2355
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:56,720
Speaker 4: times his rookie year.

2356
01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:59,040
Speaker 5: The point is is that the guy that they drafted

2357
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:01,439
Speaker 5: in the fourth roundelast year in City, so has already

2358
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 5: put better film out than the first round.

2359
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:04,720
Speaker 4: Picked it like.

2360
01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:08,040
Speaker 5: He's so he's already better, Like he's an already better player.

2361
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:11,280
Speaker 3: It's why it was a dereliction of duty to draft

2362
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:15,080
Speaker 3: him in the like again, third round, fourth round, okay,

2363
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:15,960
Speaker 3: but the.

2364
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:20,720
Speaker 4: First round, especially with where the on that like, I

2365
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:23,040
Speaker 4: mean it's I mean, not to go too far back,

2366
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:24,719
Speaker 4: but I mean those drafts were just so critical.

2367
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:26,320
Speaker 6: I mean, it's just he had to hit on all

2368
01:43:26,360 --> 01:43:28,639
Speaker 6: those for this to like keep the train rolling. Again,

2369
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:29,719
Speaker 6: he didn't, and that's.

2370
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:32,000
Speaker 5: What's the first two And the people that like talk

2371
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:35,400
Speaker 5: about Elliott Wolf as an executive and how he might draft.

2372
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:37,920
Speaker 5: I think the biggest thing is is with Bill that

2373
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:40,200
Speaker 5: he ran into problems is that he would just fall

2374
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 5: in love with these guys for whatever reason, you know,

2375
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:46,960
Speaker 5: whether it was football related, the interview process, whatever, that

2376
01:43:47,320 --> 01:43:50,160
Speaker 5: he didn't care that everybody else had him in the

2377
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:53,200
Speaker 5: third round because he really liked that guy. And with

2378
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:55,240
Speaker 5: with Wolf, what you hear is is like he's gonna

2379
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:58,200
Speaker 5: shop at Louis Vuitton, Like he's not going to go

2380
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:02,639
Speaker 5: and get the knockoff brand. He's gonna get the best athletes,

2381
01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:04,919
Speaker 5: and like that's why I think they drafted Christian Gonzales

2382
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:05,400
Speaker 5: last year.

2383
01:44:05,479 --> 01:44:08,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. To him, the value is in the talent, not

2384
01:44:08,439 --> 01:44:09,959
Speaker 3: yeah anything else.

2385
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:12,000
Speaker 5: Right, Bill, It was so much about you know, what's

2386
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:15,040
Speaker 5: your role, what's your fit in my system? What kind

2387
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:17,240
Speaker 5: of guy are you? And like those things are all important,

2388
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:18,320
Speaker 5: but at the end of the day, if you don't

2389
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:19,920
Speaker 5: have the talent, then you're not gonna make it.

2390
01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:24,080
Speaker 3: Otto is on the keep Mac Jones train. He says,

2391
01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:26,599
Speaker 3: we need to keep them, draft Marvin Harrison. Then based

2392
01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:29,240
Speaker 3: off what Judin said, try and get Josh Jacobs and

2393
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:32,639
Speaker 3: Calvin Ridley or Judy or Sutton, or if we can

2394
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:36,960
Speaker 3: trade for Ayuk and then take a quarterback second round,

2395
01:44:37,080 --> 01:44:39,960
Speaker 3: either Pennix or bow Knicks. And if Mac can't do it,

2396
01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:43,000
Speaker 3: then we have Nix or Pennix. And he has a

2397
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:46,479
Speaker 3: scenario the QBS Mac. The running backs are Josh Jacob

2398
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:49,519
Speaker 3: and Stevenson. The wide receivers of Marvin Harrison and Junior

2399
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:52,559
Speaker 3: Ridley and Douglas. The tight end is Kasiki. He said,

2400
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:57,519
Speaker 3: that's way better than what Mac headley. What else Douglas

2401
01:44:58,160 --> 01:44:59,639
Speaker 3: and Marvin Harrison Jr.

2402
01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:05,439
Speaker 4: You need a quarterback that that you'd have the makings

2403
01:45:05,479 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 4: of an offense. You need a quarterback, that's all.

2404
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:09,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he thinks it could be Mac but he

2405
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:11,040
Speaker 3: wouldn't be good. That's his opinion.

2406
01:45:11,439 --> 01:45:14,519
Speaker 4: Those guys are too good for his talent. I'm dead

2407
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:18,080
Speaker 4: serious that he wouldn't be able to maximize Harrison and Ridley.

2408
01:45:18,240 --> 01:45:19,800
Speaker 6: Do you think that that the Patriots are going to

2409
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:21,320
Speaker 6: make a splat? No, I don't want to call a spot.

2410
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:23,120
Speaker 6: Do you think they're going to sign a name free

2411
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 6: agent running back next week like one of these guys

2412
01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:28,400
Speaker 6: Tony Pollard, Eckler Singletary.

2413
01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:32,479
Speaker 5: I think it was like Zeke was technically that right,

2414
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:33,639
Speaker 5: So I think it's possible.

2415
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:39,719
Speaker 4: Though, Yeah, I would say to Mike's question, that would

2416
01:45:39,720 --> 01:45:43,400
Speaker 4: not apply. Like the last one standing when we're desperate

2417
01:45:43,439 --> 01:45:46,280
Speaker 4: in training camp doesn't apply to it. Dalvin Cook has

2418
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:49,320
Speaker 4: just got a big name too, same thing. But you're

2419
01:45:49,400 --> 01:45:55,240
Speaker 4: saying I did holler Jacobs, Barkley, Yeah, like yeah, Eckler, Yeah,

2420
01:45:55,240 --> 01:45:57,559
Speaker 4: I mean the usually guys, all those guys are free agents.

2421
01:45:57,640 --> 01:45:57,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2422
01:45:57,840 --> 01:45:59,360
Speaker 6: Well, I mean usually we're all on the same page

2423
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:00,479
Speaker 6: as just draft him, let him.

2424
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:02,600
Speaker 4: You know, Normally I would say absolutely no chance, but

2425
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:05,000
Speaker 4: this is a new regime, so I don't know. I

2426
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:05,360
Speaker 4: don't know.

2427
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:12,479
Speaker 5: That could be mini Patriots news. Alex Austin officially on

2428
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:14,439
Speaker 5: the exclusive rights free attack.

2429
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:16,680
Speaker 4: It's the guy that I was credited with saying wasn't

2430
01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:19,479
Speaker 4: an NFL player, and it took me ten minutes to

2431
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:23,439
Speaker 4: realize after you said that was Alex Austin. Alex Austen.

2432
01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:26,120
Speaker 4: I don't know enough about Alex Austin to say he's

2433
01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:26,600
Speaker 4: good or not.

2434
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:29,920
Speaker 5: And I would say encouraging down the stretch because I'm

2435
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 5: the one I had to pick correct right encouraging film

2436
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:35,479
Speaker 5: down the streach. But a nice pick on Josh Allen

2437
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:38,000
Speaker 5: late in the first half of the Buffalo game. Very nice.

2438
01:46:38,760 --> 01:46:43,200
Speaker 3: Darren is still trap. Darren is Saint Stephen, New Brunswick, Canada.

2439
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:46,400
Speaker 3: For Evan, You and Alex recommended the Patriots keep it

2440
01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:49,639
Speaker 3: simple Okham's razor, although Oukham never used these words exactly.

2441
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:51,759
Speaker 4: Many agree with that's Alex thing. I have no idea

2442
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:52,120
Speaker 4: what that.

2443
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:56,400
Speaker 3: Meansities must not be necessity. Perhaps an intangible carries as

2444
01:46:56,439 --> 01:46:59,120
Speaker 3: much weight as raw talent. I've always felt that the

2445
01:46:59,240 --> 01:47:02,960
Speaker 3: winning Patriot teams were overachievers, often playing above their talent

2446
01:47:03,080 --> 01:47:05,759
Speaker 3: due to what I refer to as the human factor.

2447
01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:09,040
Speaker 3: The human factor is intangible and can't be parsed out.

2448
01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:12,080
Speaker 3: Tapping into this potential has been done in the past

2449
01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:15,320
Speaker 3: by those who inspire Slater, Jules Gronk, Brady, et cetera,

2450
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:18,040
Speaker 3: who in the draft has given you that same feeling. Wow,

2451
01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:20,160
Speaker 3: that's a long way to grant us House the opposite

2452
01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:21,800
Speaker 3: of Okham's razor. Anyway, go ahead.

2453
01:47:22,040 --> 01:47:25,479
Speaker 5: I would just say that I once was of the

2454
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:29,240
Speaker 5: same belief that those Patriots teams were what he just

2455
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:32,240
Speaker 5: said in hindsight, I think that was Patriots teams were

2456
01:47:32,280 --> 01:47:34,160
Speaker 5: loaded with talent, you know, like I.

2457
01:47:34,120 --> 01:47:37,639
Speaker 4: Think because you could see the difference, right, But I mean,

2458
01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:40,720
Speaker 4: I think you're also grossly underestimating Tom Brady. You're right.

2459
01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:42,920
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, you know, a guy, you know, to

2460
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:46,360
Speaker 5: say that the twenty ten's Patriots were like the little

2461
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:49,200
Speaker 5: engine that could, I think is not a fair characterization.

2462
01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:51,760
Speaker 5: But in terms of the guys that do that in

2463
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 5: this draft, I don't know. I I think a guy

2464
01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:58,479
Speaker 5: like Penix honestly is sort of like that to me,

2465
01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 5: where you know, just the intangible as the leadership, the

2466
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:05,240
Speaker 5: ability to bounce back from the injuries like that guy

2467
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:08,920
Speaker 5: could have easily just fallen by the way part. Yeah,

2468
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:11,839
Speaker 5: those injuries, and I think that that's the most encouraging

2469
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:12,439
Speaker 5: thing about him.

2470
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:14,600
Speaker 4: Yeah. I just think that when you put Brady in

2471
01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:16,920
Speaker 4: that like scrappy overachiever thing, just because he was the

2472
01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:19,679
Speaker 4: one hundred and ninety ninth pick of the draft doesn't

2473
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:22,240
Speaker 4: mean that he's not the greatest player he's ever played. Right,

2474
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:28,080
Speaker 4: like this, we were wrong, like he had a lot

2475
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:31,000
Speaker 4: more ability than anybody. It gave him credit for.

2476
01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:35,200
Speaker 3: Anthony writes in he says, both things are true. Mac

2477
01:48:35,320 --> 01:48:37,280
Speaker 3: is not good and the team did everything they could

2478
01:48:37,360 --> 01:48:37,960
Speaker 3: to ruin him.

2479
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:40,519
Speaker 4: My question is I could kiss that guy in the lips.

2480
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:43,280
Speaker 3: Do you think the team thought Mac was better and

2481
01:48:43,320 --> 01:48:46,679
Speaker 3: could win with what was given, or that they were

2482
01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:49,400
Speaker 3: just too out of touch with developing a young quarterback

2483
01:48:49,439 --> 01:48:52,880
Speaker 3: in today's league and bungled it be both.

2484
01:48:53,240 --> 01:48:53,680
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2485
01:48:53,920 --> 01:48:55,479
Speaker 5: I think that they were too out of touch with

2486
01:48:55,520 --> 01:48:58,839
Speaker 5: building a roster around the young quarterback. I don't necessarily

2487
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:01,080
Speaker 5: think that they did it is such something that they

2488
01:49:01,080 --> 01:49:04,559
Speaker 5: did so wrong with Mac specifically. I just think that,

2489
01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:06,920
Speaker 5: you know, you looked at all these success stories for

2490
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:09,479
Speaker 5: these quarterbacks, and all these teams were doing it a

2491
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:12,639
Speaker 5: certain way when that quarterback was cheap and the Patriots

2492
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:14,160
Speaker 5: just didn't do any of those things.

2493
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:18,559
Speaker 4: Like here's where I will put it on Bill Freddy Is.

2494
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:21,760
Speaker 4: I just think that that's his philosophy. It was, I

2495
01:49:22,240 --> 01:49:24,479
Speaker 4: don't need the quarterback. I just I'm gonna put the

2496
01:49:24,479 --> 01:49:28,680
Speaker 4: defense together. I'm gonna quarterback and close. You know, I

2497
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:32,400
Speaker 4: can I can win with any I can plug anybody

2498
01:49:32,479 --> 01:49:34,360
Speaker 4: in there and as long as I get a semblance.

2499
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:36,080
Speaker 4: And I think if you hooked him up to a

2500
01:49:36,120 --> 01:49:39,080
Speaker 4: lot of detector right now, he would say that team

2501
01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:44,320
Speaker 4: last year would have been fine with just any quarterback play.

2502
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:47,679
Speaker 4: They they got less than any quarterback play, right Mac

2503
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:50,559
Speaker 4: was a disaster. Yeah, And I think that he would say,

2504
01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:54,519
Speaker 4: you know, he did say that during the season seven, three, seven, six,

2505
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:56,960
Speaker 4: and in ten, ten to seven, like those are three

2506
01:49:57,040 --> 01:49:59,799
Speaker 4: wins with any semblance of quarterback play.

2507
01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:03,320
Speaker 6: I won't go into details, but after watching the full Dynasty,

2508
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:06,800
Speaker 6: that point of view carries a little bit more water

2509
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:07,120
Speaker 6: for me.

2510
01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:07,400
Speaker 3: Now.

2511
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:11,439
Speaker 4: I really think that that's something that does come out

2512
01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:12,920
Speaker 4: And I don't want to give that away that Mike

2513
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:16,120
Speaker 4: just alluded to, because it was something in the tenth episode.

2514
01:50:16,160 --> 01:50:19,920
Speaker 4: I think so that hasn't come out yet, but I

2515
01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:24,320
Speaker 4: think that that mentality is pretty accurate. I'm not not

2516
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:26,360
Speaker 4: this this thing as an absolute like he doesn't think

2517
01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:28,920
Speaker 4: that you could take Johnny Foxborough.

2518
01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:31,600
Speaker 6: But you need to turn over, you know, and they

2519
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:32,920
Speaker 6: got to find a way to be clutched.

2520
01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:34,880
Speaker 4: But he thinks, just don't screw it up. I'll do

2521
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:36,560
Speaker 4: the rest right. And I think there's a lot of

2522
01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:38,400
Speaker 4: validity to that thought for him.

2523
01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:41,479
Speaker 3: Anthony also says, I can't wait till June. Let's get

2524
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:43,960
Speaker 3: past the draft so we can discuss best desserts. So

2525
01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:48,360
Speaker 3: with the slot tides best sports movie, couldn't agree more cool? Disagree?

2526
01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:51,240
Speaker 4: I'm so done with We're not even close.

2527
01:50:51,400 --> 01:50:54,280
Speaker 6: I'm excited because my favorite bakery was about to close

2528
01:50:54,280 --> 01:50:55,920
Speaker 6: in LA but it reopened and I'm going to go

2529
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:57,160
Speaker 6: out there in a couple months and I'm going to

2530
01:50:57,200 --> 01:50:59,479
Speaker 6: get myself some Oreo Tiramasu, which is.

2531
01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:02,000
Speaker 5: My time already care about that.

2532
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:07,000
Speaker 6: I love this Areo. Oh that Oreo teer Massu is

2533
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:09,680
Speaker 6: just it's the best. Wow, it's my favorite. I'm not

2534
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:11,439
Speaker 6: having on my birth really impressed my birthday.

2535
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:14,479
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you very much, Brandon, says Evan have

2536
01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:16,880
Speaker 3: you ever thought about going back and looking at TV

2537
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:20,040
Speaker 3: twelve's film from Michigan and scouting him solely from what

2538
01:51:20,280 --> 01:51:24,040
Speaker 3: from that and the other players. It'd be interested in

2539
01:51:24,120 --> 01:51:26,200
Speaker 3: the things you could see visibly improved.

2540
01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:29,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've thought about it, but get most of the

2541
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:32,679
Speaker 5: stuff that I've found is like, you know, the quality

2542
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:35,519
Speaker 5: just there's no all twenty two is I don't even

2543
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:36,960
Speaker 5: know if he's actually film.

2544
01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:40,880
Speaker 4: That's really really difficult to do. Oh yeah, like how

2545
01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:44,639
Speaker 4: do you separate the it's Tom can't I'm really gonna

2546
01:51:44,640 --> 01:51:46,639
Speaker 4: be the guy that's gonna write to say this right,

2547
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:49,360
Speaker 4: obviously there's nothing he can't do except for run.

2548
01:51:49,320 --> 01:51:51,080
Speaker 6: Well yeah, and the and the whole you know, playing

2549
01:51:51,080 --> 01:51:54,240
Speaker 6: well under pressure thing that you can't.

2550
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:59,440
Speaker 5: Make plays platform. It's really disluging. Nowadays, Paul really.

2551
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:04,479
Speaker 3: Is Ashley in London. This is more for Paul and Fred.

2552
01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:06,519
Speaker 3: Did you ever bump into Bill in the building. I

2553
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:08,960
Speaker 3: guess more than the off season where he'd engage in

2554
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:13,000
Speaker 3: a conversation with you. That wasn't the most awkward situation imaginable?

2555
01:52:13,320 --> 01:52:16,639
Speaker 4: Yes, Paul, Yeah, a long time ago.

2556
01:52:17,080 --> 01:52:19,200
Speaker 6: Well, you gotta, you gotta you got a friendly hello Paul.

2557
01:52:19,200 --> 01:52:19,840
Speaker 6: This year didn't you.

2558
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:20,080
Speaker 3: I did.

2559
01:52:20,080 --> 01:52:23,160
Speaker 4: I got a couple this year, this past year. But

2560
01:52:23,320 --> 01:52:28,400
Speaker 4: I will also say not necessarily like random bumping into conversations,

2561
01:52:28,439 --> 01:52:31,479
Speaker 4: because those are almost none. Like random bumping into it's

2562
01:52:31,479 --> 01:52:34,040
Speaker 4: a high as you walk by, that's it, you know.

2563
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:40,640
Speaker 4: But like TV production meetings for the preseason games, he

2564
01:52:40,840 --> 01:52:43,720
Speaker 4: is sort of engaged a little bit more than he

2565
01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:46,640
Speaker 4: would at a press conference, like with me and individually

2566
01:52:46,640 --> 01:52:49,280
Speaker 4: I'm talking about There was one he was sort of

2567
01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:53,640
Speaker 4: demonstrating a cornerback technique, you know, the whole cliche of

2568
01:52:53,680 --> 01:52:56,720
Speaker 4: why are the quarterbacks they never look back? You know what?

2569
01:52:56,920 --> 01:52:58,880
Speaker 4: The short answer that is because they're taught not to.

2570
01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:03,000
Speaker 4: But he was sort of explaining the technique, you know,

2571
01:53:03,120 --> 01:53:07,400
Speaker 4: trail technique, you know, staying in phase, hand placement. I mean,

2572
01:53:07,479 --> 01:53:09,760
Speaker 4: my god, your eyes were bug bulging out this guy

2573
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:11,720
Speaker 4: by the end. This Like I try to tell you,

2574
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:13,080
Speaker 4: I have no interest in this. It's not like I

2575
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:15,320
Speaker 4: don't know anything about, right, I just have no interest

2576
01:53:15,320 --> 01:53:15,519
Speaker 4: in it.

2577
01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:17,240
Speaker 6: If everyone, we have to start the meeting.

2578
01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:23,880
Speaker 4: Guy anyway, I was I was the receiver and said demonstration,

2579
01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:27,880
Speaker 4: and he was the dB putting his hands like you know,

2580
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:30,040
Speaker 4: it's like so Paul goes through the deep ball and

2581
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:32,840
Speaker 4: Paul has his hands up and when that's that's a

2582
01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:34,920
Speaker 4: tell when you see, you know, he goes there are

2583
01:53:34,920 --> 01:53:37,639
Speaker 4: other things that they look. They're looking at facial expressions,

2584
01:53:37,680 --> 01:53:40,920
Speaker 4: they're looking like this. I'm telling you. He went on

2585
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:47,080
Speaker 4: for ten minutes about all these little intricacies, and you

2586
01:53:47,120 --> 01:53:50,080
Speaker 4: can just imagine how much you know, expands and how

2587
01:53:50,120 --> 01:53:54,600
Speaker 4: much more expansive that is for every position, for every situation,

2588
01:53:54,840 --> 01:53:57,479
Speaker 4: for every detail. Yeah, but there was times that it

2589
01:53:57,640 --> 01:53:59,759
Speaker 4: was much more engaging my answers than others.

2590
01:54:00,600 --> 01:54:04,000
Speaker 5: I would say that there's very few people that have

2591
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:06,760
Speaker 5: developed defensive backs better than Bill Belichick.

2592
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:09,519
Speaker 4: Especially undrafted ones. He is, they were drafted high.

2593
01:54:10,439 --> 01:54:12,680
Speaker 5: There's a lot of things that you know as a

2594
01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:16,200
Speaker 5: head coach, but like in terms of him in that respect,

2595
01:54:16,520 --> 01:54:18,160
Speaker 5: I don't know if there's anybody that has a better

2596
01:54:18,240 --> 01:54:20,040
Speaker 5: track record with dbs than Bill Belichick.

2597
01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:22,800
Speaker 4: I mean just every single one he touches. You know

2598
01:54:23,160 --> 01:54:27,800
Speaker 4: about the amounts undrafted cornerbacks, you know, from Randall Gay

2599
01:54:28,360 --> 01:54:32,400
Speaker 4: to j. C. Jackson to Jonathan Jones, Malcolm Butler, like

2600
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:36,720
Speaker 4: Miles Bryant, that there's a lot of undrafted guys that

2601
01:54:36,840 --> 01:54:41,320
Speaker 4: turned into more than serviceable players in some regards, really

2602
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:45,120
Speaker 4: good players, but there's just as many second round picks

2603
01:54:45,160 --> 01:54:50,480
Speaker 4: that busted. Juan Williams, Cyrus Jones, Wheatley, he.

2604
01:54:50,440 --> 01:54:52,760
Speaker 3: Would tell you it's all about being coachable.

2605
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:54,680
Speaker 4: Duke Dawson.

2606
01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:59,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, they just their system is actually probably right Fred,

2607
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:02,400
Speaker 5: It's actually simple, I believe it or not in terms

2608
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:05,440
Speaker 5: of what they do technique wise and coverage wise, which

2609
01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:07,440
Speaker 5: a lot of guys say. You know, they simplify it

2610
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:10,560
Speaker 5: so well that you're just, you know, all you gotta

2611
01:55:10,640 --> 01:55:13,240
Speaker 5: do is think about like one or two things instead

2612
01:55:13,240 --> 01:55:14,520
Speaker 5: of just thinking about everything.

2613
01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:17,360
Speaker 6: Seems like the hard part is pre snap and getting

2614
01:55:17,480 --> 01:55:19,760
Speaker 6: everybody on the same page and in the right spot,

2615
01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:21,080
Speaker 6: and then once you know where you are and what

2616
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:22,840
Speaker 6: your responsibility, that you can do your job.

2617
01:55:23,080 --> 01:55:26,360
Speaker 5: They do really good job of playing off of help.

2618
01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:29,800
Speaker 5: So like corners, when they're on the outside, you know,

2619
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:31,680
Speaker 5: they'll know that they have a robber and they have

2620
01:55:31,720 --> 01:55:34,080
Speaker 5: a post safety, so like there's certain routes that they

2621
01:55:34,120 --> 01:55:36,680
Speaker 5: can just eliminate from their Oh, I don't even need

2622
01:55:36,680 --> 01:55:38,840
Speaker 5: to worry about the post because Devin mccorty is going

2623
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:40,480
Speaker 5: to be on the post. Like those types of things

2624
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:41,320
Speaker 5: help a lot.

2625
01:55:42,240 --> 01:55:45,920
Speaker 3: Let's see. Mussad writes in after the mccordy and Slater

2626
01:55:45,880 --> 01:55:48,760
Speaker 3: of retirements in back to back off seasons, who do

2627
01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:51,320
Speaker 3: you view as the team's leaders going forward?

2628
01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:52,440
Speaker 4: That's great question.

2629
01:55:52,920 --> 01:55:57,720
Speaker 6: I mean David Andrews, of course, teacher Wise Bentley, those

2630
01:55:57,720 --> 01:55:58,920
Speaker 6: are I mean, those are the three. But there's no

2631
01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:00,840
Speaker 6: question that it's gonna be a new team. You guys

2632
01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:03,960
Speaker 6: have to emerge and there's gonna be starting spots.

2633
01:56:04,360 --> 01:56:06,320
Speaker 3: Judan could be if he sticks around.

2634
01:56:06,440 --> 01:56:08,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, who Jabrill Peppers Rill, my guy?

2635
01:56:08,640 --> 01:56:09,160
Speaker 5: Oh, your guy?

2636
01:56:09,200 --> 01:56:11,640
Speaker 4: I would put into that mix. But yes, it's it's

2637
01:56:11,680 --> 01:56:14,600
Speaker 4: it's Bentley, It's Andrews. Those are the two that really

2638
01:56:14,640 --> 01:56:15,240
Speaker 4: stick out to me.

2639
01:56:15,640 --> 01:56:19,440
Speaker 3: And Claire writes in Hello everyone, Hello, we're in. I

2640
01:56:19,480 --> 01:56:22,120
Speaker 3: know Paul may roll his eyes at this. Sorry not sorry,

2641
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:25,200
Speaker 3: but the absence of tight end is real. Do you

2642
01:56:25,200 --> 01:56:28,520
Speaker 3: guys have an opinion of any particular tight end draft

2643
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:31,680
Speaker 3: d and also whereabouts would you be happy that they

2644
01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:32,640
Speaker 3: drafted a tight end?

2645
01:56:32,640 --> 01:56:36,960
Speaker 4: The Texas portion of the show begins, Uh, I figure

2646
01:56:37,120 --> 01:56:37,400
Speaker 4: that was.

2647
01:56:37,680 --> 01:56:40,920
Speaker 5: I was lining you up forge Davian Sanders. Yeah, he's

2648
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:43,600
Speaker 5: on my down list for the combine, though only ran

2649
01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:46,160
Speaker 5: a four six nine. Not not what I was hoping for.

2650
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:50,280
Speaker 3: I really, what if they traded down and took brock Baty.

2651
01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:53,320
Speaker 6: Oh geez, I kind of mean I gotta look a

2652
01:56:53,320 --> 01:56:55,560
Speaker 6: little more into that. Did Jared Wiley kid from TCU.

2653
01:56:55,640 --> 01:56:58,000
Speaker 6: He's the big, big dude, you know, And that's like,

2654
01:56:58,120 --> 01:56:59,920
Speaker 6: those are the guys Benson It. We talked a lot

2655
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:02,520
Speaker 6: about love Ben Senate, but you know, it's just you

2656
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:04,160
Speaker 6: gotta look at like the day three guys with some

2657
01:57:04,280 --> 01:57:05,400
Speaker 6: traits and uh.

2658
01:57:05,720 --> 01:57:09,080
Speaker 5: Theo Johnson from Penn State killed the combines athletic freak,

2659
01:57:09,680 --> 01:57:12,640
Speaker 5: didn't really tap into it at Penn State. Ben sent It,

2660
01:57:12,800 --> 01:57:14,920
Speaker 5: I think is like a football player, like he's not

2661
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:16,920
Speaker 5: as good as Sam Laporta, but he kind of has

2662
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:20,640
Speaker 5: some Sam Laporti e type traits. And uh, I kind

2663
01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:22,520
Speaker 5: of like some of the free agent titands too. I

2664
01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:25,160
Speaker 5: know a lot of people don't love this class free agents,

2665
01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:27,040
Speaker 5: but you know, I'd take no offense.

2666
01:57:27,600 --> 01:57:27,920
Speaker 4: I would.

2667
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:29,480
Speaker 5: I would take Gerald Everett.

2668
01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:31,040
Speaker 6: Font noa font on this that would be great.

2669
01:57:31,680 --> 01:57:35,280
Speaker 4: Just so you know, like tackle, they do not have

2670
01:57:35,400 --> 01:57:37,520
Speaker 4: any tight ends. So I am not rolling my eyes.

2671
01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:39,160
Speaker 4: They don't have any tight ends.

2672
01:57:39,320 --> 01:57:41,760
Speaker 5: It's also not it's also not a particularly good tight

2673
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:43,000
Speaker 5: end draft class.

2674
01:57:43,320 --> 01:57:45,480
Speaker 3: All right, So that's gonna be it for this edition

2675
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:48,080
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2680
01:58:00,360 --> 01:58:01,440
Speaker 3: So is Cast twenty two.

2681
01:58:01,320 --> 01:58:01,960
Speaker 4: Coming up right now?

2682
01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:02,400
Speaker 2: To do that?

2683
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:02,720
Speaker 4: Yep?

2684
01:58:03,480 --> 01:58:03,840
Speaker 3: Coming up?

2685
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:05,520
Speaker 4: Is Barth here? Yep, he's all right.

2686
01:58:05,600 --> 01:58:07,360
Speaker 3: Wow, So this is the last time you were in

2687
01:58:07,400 --> 01:58:09,560
Speaker 3: the same studio, uh, last.

2688
01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:11,000
Speaker 5: Week two weeks ago before the combat.

2689
01:58:11,120 --> 01:58:12,360
Speaker 6: Let's watch the reunion all right.

2690
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:16,120
Speaker 3: Uh, stay tuned for Cast twenty two. They'll be diving

2691
01:58:16,280 --> 01:58:18,720
Speaker 3: deep into I would imagine the draft, maybe you'd be

2692
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:21,040
Speaker 3: talking about. Okay, all right, we'll see you next week.

2693
01:58:23,320 --> 01:58:25,000
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