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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 2: I'm Questo, your host. We have Team Supreme with us

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Speaker 2: right of them. Now, Now what's up?

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Speaker 1: Steve? I never go to you first. How's your life?

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Speaker 1: That's how your life is? Is that a word? What

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Speaker 1: you know? Everything's great, man, New York City. We're opening up,

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Speaker 1: got a full audience, talent show. Everything feels good. Mentally,

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Speaker 1: I'm a wreck. Thanks for asking. Let's me okay, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna find out why you Maybe you can get a

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Speaker 1: reading from our guest today that yeah, that'd be great.

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Speaker 1: Fan Tikolo is also here with us. What's going on, bro?

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Speaker 3: I'm good, Bro, I'm good Man down twenty three pounds, man,

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Speaker 3: that louderday I usually am.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'll try.

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Speaker 1: Was all right if she couldn't. I appreciate the enthusiasm. No, man,

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Speaker 1: you inspired me. Man, that's what's up? Man, That is

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Speaker 1: what's up? Because counting. Yeah, I was about to say

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Speaker 1: that I'm the king of like you know, doing zero

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Speaker 1: to one hundred on the auto bond and then when

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Speaker 1: you just gotta do that like that last thirty you

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Speaker 1: start laxing off.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, right now I'm drinking and eating dandylions and

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Speaker 2: other eat those.

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Speaker 4: Yos are so bits and horrible, but you do eat

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Speaker 4: them too, Jina. I tried. I tried.

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Speaker 5: They make wine out of dandelions.

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Speaker 2: If you do two weeks of this dandylion juice that

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Speaker 2: I'm doing, that's that I could probably drop like forty

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Speaker 2: pounds everybody.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just trying to get to Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: will to live exactly, all right? Last cool, She's rather

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Speaker 1: disgusted by.

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Speaker 6: No, I'm excited. I'm excited to have Gina or I'm excited.

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Speaker 6: Happy tunesday to you, Gena. You pay to post the

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Speaker 6: video yet.

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Speaker 7: But I'm late.

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Speaker 4: Today on back to back zoom meeting today, I've not

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Speaker 4: had a chance to do my tunes on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: All right. So that leads to our guests. Our guest

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Speaker 1: today hails.

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Speaker 2: From my hometown of London, England. I never I never

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Speaker 2: passed of a opportunity to speak on my little three

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Speaker 2: years in London, and I just claim it like it's

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Speaker 2: been my my, my, my city of birth. She is

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Speaker 2: a raw and hilarious British comedian with uh a Nigerian lineage,

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Speaker 2: which isn't too far from my people's in Benin. But

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Speaker 2: you know, I'll clean next door neighbor. She's also in

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Speaker 2: addition to being a hilarious comedian, she's one of the

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Speaker 2: co creators of the CBS smash Bob Hart's Abashola. I

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Speaker 2: always thought it was Bob Loves the Apashola, but of

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Speaker 2: course it's Bob right exactly. And if you've seen her work,

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Speaker 2: you know that her life is an absolute open book.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of which, her memoir, penned during the pandemic, I believe,

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Speaker 2: is titled cock Candate, which cock co. I was hoping

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Speaker 2: that cock cat candidate. Forgive me, yes, no, this ain't

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Speaker 2: on video, so we gotta still no cat candidate, which yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's hear for the lefties in the house. I'm also

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Speaker 2: a lefty, so we special.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: She shares her life and her experiences and her relationship

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Speaker 2: with her family, the total open book. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: please welcome to quest Love Supreme Gina yash I.

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Speaker 4: Hope perfect, thank you. I was waiting, I was waiting

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Speaker 4: with breath for the name.

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Speaker 1: I was like, it's easy, You're you're, You're hooray with

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Speaker 1: a yeah.

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Speaker 4: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: You're you're a comedian, hooray.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I'm stretching that, but everyone has done very

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Speaker 2: different variations of how to pronounce your last name.

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Speaker 4: Oh God, I get your share a lot. I'm like, no, no,

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Speaker 4: it's Nigerian. Yes, you almost have to shout my name.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yes, aa, Okay, I get it now.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you're here because you know I've been

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Speaker 2: I've been a fan of your work. You know, I've

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Speaker 2: seen all all three of your specials, well three and

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Speaker 2: a half specials on Netflix at least, very familiar with you.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I never We've never gotten a chance

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Speaker 4: I've seen you. I've walked past you on planes and.

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Speaker 1: Gone hi, oh so we we We've been okay, a.

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Speaker 4: Flame once tight and I didn't want to make a

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Speaker 4: big deal. You should have said something inconspicuous like I

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Speaker 4: don't want to No.

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Speaker 2: I call that a Tuesday me and conspicuous. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: so you were okay, So I'm I'm glad you're here

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Speaker 2: simply because knowing how open you are about uh, your

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Speaker 2: life living in London and growing up there, and your experiences,

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Speaker 2: which of course as an outsider with me, I didn't

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Speaker 2: get to see those things. And of course also in

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Speaker 2: the pandemic taking a crash course on Small Acts.

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Speaker 1: Which is.

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Speaker 2: You know, Steve McQueen's series, I was like, Wow, did

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Speaker 2: I did I ever live in London? Because I didn't

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Speaker 2: realize that these experiences were going on over there as well.

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Speaker 2: Like mine was slightly different because we were just a

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Speaker 2: band trying to get our next gig, so you know,

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Speaker 2: we very rarely did we get to truly like mingle

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Speaker 2: with people that didn't have to deal with like work

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Speaker 2: or interviews or that sort of thing. So hey, talk

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Speaker 2: talk to me about your experiences living in London. Like

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Speaker 2: I assume that everything that you speak on in your

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Speaker 2: life is true.

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Speaker 4: So I was born in London, East London, bethnal Green.

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Speaker 4: I am a Cockney by birth, like proper okay, geezer geezer.

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Speaker 4: So I was born in East London. I'm a child

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Speaker 4: of the seventies, child the seventies and eighties, and England

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Speaker 4: was super racist when my parents came to England in

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Speaker 4: the sixties, super racist. That's when they had you know,

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Speaker 4: when people used to put signs on their doors. No dogs,

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Speaker 4: no blacks, no Irish. So when you're going to rent

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Speaker 4: a place, you know you don't you don't even need

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Speaker 4: to bother ring that doorbell if it's got that sign

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Speaker 4: dad faced in England in the sixties it was openly racist,

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Speaker 4: and seventies and eighties not much different. This was the

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Speaker 4: time when the National Front were prevalent. National Front was

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Speaker 4: very far right organization in England. They tried to sort

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Speaker 4: a bunch of thugs and their graffiti was ubiquitous. It

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Speaker 4: I remember being changed and spot by skin heads a

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Speaker 4: lot when I was a kid, like eight years old.

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Speaker 4: I remember eight years old being spat on by skinhead.

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Speaker 4: I remember me and my mum walking down the street

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Speaker 4: and people shouting fits out the cars and swerving into

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Speaker 4: puddles and splashing us. So that was London. That was

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Speaker 4: the Americans view of the British being so genteel and polite.

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely now what we know.

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Speaker 3: Listen, when I went to London, and that's how your

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Speaker 3: niggas eating beans for breakfast.

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Speaker 1: I understood how y'all used to rule the world. That's no,

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Speaker 1: you're not doing that.

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Speaker 4: Had to eat beans, is supposed pudding beans on toast

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Speaker 4: is the best thing on that.

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Speaker 1: That's some savage ship.

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Speaker 6: Are you Are you really about to say that is

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Speaker 6: English food better than Nigerian food?

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Speaker 4: Food is the best? Come on right, come on now?

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Speaker 4: Everything came from us night? Are you watching high on honk?

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Speaker 2: So you're saying that you ride for all English things

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Speaker 2: like marrowmite sandwiches and.

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Speaker 4: I hate mam no being toast. Yes, bubbs and mash mash.

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Speaker 4: I love a bit of bangers and mash. You can't

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Speaker 4: feed it, but some of it not. So I don't

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Speaker 4: do the black pudding.

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask.

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Speaker 4: Audience, latinous pig blood Philly close.

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Speaker 1: Eyes, wait time out.

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Speaker 2: I didn't wait all all these years that I've been having.

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Speaker 1: Uh, I'll usually have the black pudding.

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Speaker 2: They'll serve that when we're on like a fairy coming

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Speaker 2: from like Europe headed to the UK, and they will

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Speaker 2: have like black pudding as breakfast.

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Speaker 1: You're telling me there's blood in that.

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Speaker 4: It's made from pigs blood.

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Speaker 1: I did not know that anyway, You're not going to

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Speaker 1: make a comic moment out this, Like have you seen

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Speaker 1: how much I weigh? What do you think I'm being?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 1: Just talk about drinking dandelion juice. I don't think.

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Speaker 4: From the chops are delicious. It's blood. Just the blood. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: black pudding, it's made from blood. It's close.

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Speaker 2: And as we were explaining earlier that you know in America,

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Speaker 2: I think like the beans, the beans that are source

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Speaker 2: associated with pork and beans or hot dogs and porking

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Speaker 2: beans are kind of an afternoon evening dish, whereas in

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Speaker 2: England and that's.

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Speaker 4: A breakfast breakfast bean eggs and beans, chips, eggs, beans, eggs, beans, sausages,

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Speaker 4: that's a proper breakfast. When I first came to America

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, where's the beans? Where's the beans?

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Speaker 6: I mean, Mexico doesn't Mexico does it in l A.

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Speaker 6: But it tastes way better. I think probably, yeah, But.

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Speaker 3: I ain't got that. When Gina Yashid, I can't. I

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Speaker 3: can't right the bankers and mass I can do the

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Speaker 4: Put the beans on trumpet makes the difference. God, beans

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Speaker 4: have no idea, no don't know, don't know.

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Speaker 2: Gina, I'm gonna tell you this much. I miss I

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Speaker 2: miss touring so much. I'm actually I'm actually gonna side

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Speaker 2: on your your your side of the fence this time around.

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Speaker 1: Normally I'd be with them.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Wait, can I ask the question though, because even

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Speaker 6: though Gina is born and raised in London, her mother

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Speaker 6: is not, and so I must think that your mother

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Speaker 6: does not feel the same way about this English food.

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Speaker 5: And on the.

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Speaker 6: Back of that question, can you also break down like

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Speaker 6: how dope and royal of a situation your mother came

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Speaker 6: to to come and they came to London and it

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Speaker 6: was a flip of the switch.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, For one, my mom loves a bit of

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Speaker 4: bait beans. Don't even knock it. My mom is full

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Speaker 4: Nigeria now. She loves Nigerian food. Like when we were kids,

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Speaker 4: we ate Nigerian foods in the house. But my mom

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Speaker 4: loved mashed potatoes and my mom loved baked beans. So

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Speaker 4: it was the dichotomy. But yeah, yeah, my mom was

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Speaker 4: from a wealthy way well on her family. My mom's

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Speaker 4: from a family called the Abasaki family and they are

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Speaker 4: practically royalty in Nigeria. And my mom was from a

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Speaker 4: wealthy family. Her dad had a load of wives. She

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Speaker 4: to private school and she was a school principal in

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Speaker 4: Nigeria before she was twenty four years old. So she

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Speaker 4: was very you know, she did yeah, she was very

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Speaker 4: She achieved a lot and then she came to England.

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Speaker 4: Did before.

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Speaker 1: Why did she come to England?

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Speaker 4: Well, long story short. If you read money book that's

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Speaker 4: coming here, that's how you know that. My my mother

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Speaker 4: was the daughter of the first wife. So my grandfather

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Speaker 4: had many wives. As you know, polygamy was why I

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Speaker 4: practiced in Nigeria.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about it.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, lots of wives, lots of friend and lots

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Speaker 6: And also in the book, I remember I want to

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Speaker 2: Can you briefly let me know about I just recently

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Speaker 4: The inn the country next to Nigeria or been in

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Speaker 2: I believe that it was the country simply because when

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Speaker 1: Those, uh those captured and sold in the slavery in America.

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Speaker 4: Definitely the country then in yes, but yeah. I opened

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Speaker 1: The British have done to the world.

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Speaker 4: Man Jesus like, yeah, exactly, when you guys go, oh

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Speaker 5: Well and also not for nothing.

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Speaker 6: Nigerians usually act like ain't nobody come and mess with

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Speaker 4: We only got our independence. Now, you only got air

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Speaker 4: I don't forget about family stuff. That capitalism. It's all

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Speaker 5: He at least you know yours. You don't have to

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Or well, my dad's my dad died a few years ago.

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Speaker 4: We sat, I told him to dinner. We talked. I

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Speaker 4: My mother was pregnant with my younger brother when my

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Speaker 4: So I give you your due respect as my father figure,

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry for your last part. I did not know

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Speaker 5: What about your mother's big family.

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Speaker 4: Oh, my mother's side of the family. Yeah, not the

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Speaker 4: all her friends. Yeah, that's that's who I rock with.

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Speaker 2: Okay sounds Hey can you Okay? I'm glad you're on

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Speaker 2: the show. To also clear up this this conception because

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Speaker 1: Idea of who Nigerians are coming from. This a I'll

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Speaker 1: be real with it.

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Speaker 6: Listen, not in DC, not in Houston, and not in Atlanta.

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Speaker 6: But yes, outside of DC, Houston and Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: D I know.

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Speaker 2: But it's almost like a crazy stereotype that we never

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Speaker 4: What's just what's the stereotime?

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Speaker 2: But no, just basically like the ideas Nigerian scam artists

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Speaker 4: Mean, we are really good at that ship. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I can't even.

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Speaker 1: Love Oh damn. I'm trying to get you to wipe

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Speaker 4: Nigerians are very smart and very resourceful. And if you're

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Speaker 1: To Nigeria sixteen. I was sixteen.

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Speaker 4: Look it is going on. I went to Nigeria and

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Speaker 4: They had signs on the houses because what was happening.

438
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 4: People were going on the internet and selling other people's houses,

439
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 4: so selling houses that don't belong to them. So you're

440
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 4: in the house and people don't GI. Yeah, and if

441
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 4: people knock on the door, excuse me what you did

442
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 4: in my house? I just bought this house. Like no,

443
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 4: but this is mass But this is what.

444
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Speaker 6: Was hay right scam here, Gina, are you aware that

445
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 6: Nigeria's brought that scam here?

446
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 5: And there's a scam like.

447
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 6: All over your Craigslist, your favorite apartment search, you see

448
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 6: a beautiful house and the the price doesn't look believable,

449
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 6: and then you call and they tell you to drive

450
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 6: by and look at it from the outside, and they

451
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 6: give you a long story about how somebody lost their

452
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 6: job and somebody died.

453
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 1: And you fell for.

454
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Speaker 5: I didn't fall fall. I just got to the park

455
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 5: where you drive past the house.

456
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 4: I remember someone. All the scams are out there. I

457
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 4: remember someone. I was selling a phone years ago on

458
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 4: was it email or something? I was selling a phone

459
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 4: this how long ago it was? It was on email

460
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 4: selling the phone and this Nigerian send me an email

461
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 4: and listen. I think I want three hundred for the

462
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 4: phone or something. And this guy was like, I will

463
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Speaker 4: give you seven hundred. I'll give you send just send

464
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 4: me the phone and I will send you a Western Union.

465
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 4: And I emailed him back and I was like, did

466
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 4: you look up my name? My name? You are trying

467
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Speaker 4: to scam another Nigerian. Don't even don't even.

468
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 5: Try now, Gina.

469
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 6: Is the scamming pure Nigerian or is it tribals because

470
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Speaker 6: some may say there's certain tribes are more scamming to

471
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Speaker 6: others or not.

472
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Speaker 4: I don't know about that. I just think it's just Look,

473
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Speaker 4: I'm not saying all Nigenes. It's a small percentage of

474
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 4: Nigerians are doing this. It's not all Nigeens. I can't

475
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 4: do that ship. I don't even know how to. I

476
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 4: would love to learn, but no, Note it's a small percentage.

477
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 4: It's been blown up out of proportion to make it

478
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 4: look like every Nigerian is scamming. There's a small percentage

479
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 4: of who are really really good at it. But I

480
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 4: trust it's a base small number. I don't know which

481
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 4: tribe it is. I don't know.

482
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you clear that up.

483
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't clear that up. But you know what, honestly,

484
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 4: it's all about honesty. People were doing honesty something that.

485
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Speaker 1: Well, honestly, I gotta I gotta go. I gotta cancel

486
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: this check I just sent out.

487
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: You know, could you tell us about creatively, what was

488
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 2: your like life like growing up in Britain and the

489
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,479
Speaker 2: time period, like your formative years, like ten eleven twelve,

490
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 2: like your school existence or just like what did you

491
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 2: generally do and during that time period.

492
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Speaker 4: Well, same as every other kid, did try to just play,

493
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 4: do my school work, and it was a struggle being

494
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 4: an African kid, it was not cool at the time.

495
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Speaker 4: And even though I say England was racist, it wasn't

496
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Speaker 4: white kids I was fighting with at school. It was

497
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 4: other black kids, the descendants of slaves from the Caribbean,

498
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 4: African Caribbean kids, you know, because it is that they

499
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 4: got the same education that we all got. And in

500
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 4: the seventies and eighties, the view of Africans, the only

501
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 4: image of Africans on TV was either are sitting there

502
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 4: with flies landing on our face, begging for food donations,

503
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 4: or in Tarzan movies chasing white men around in trying

504
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 4: to and cook them in parts were bones in our noses.

505
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 4: So we were seen as primitive and heaths and an

506
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Speaker 4: animalistic and that was what the image of Africans was

507
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 4: at the time. So as an African kid at school,

508
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 4: I would put up with you guys. In America it

509
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 4: was African booty, sclatchert in in England it was African booball,

510
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 4: spear chucker, all of that stuff, And it was it

511
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 4: was black kids call that because the British were so

512
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 4: good at hiding their their what you know, because this

513
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 4: has been you don't know about the British. The Europeans

514
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 4: were the biggest slavers, biggest. Belgians were disgusting. The Dutch

515
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 4: were discussed. Belgian England was number one. The British Empire,

516
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 4: they were number one. They just hid it better. Like

517
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 4: I used to do this routine when I say that

518
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 4: the Americans did the equivalent of stealing ship, as in

519
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 4: stealing people and bringing it back to their own house,

520
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 4: whereas the Brits stole but kept it in other people's houses.

521
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 4: So they Yeah, so they went to Africa, they took

522
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 4: they stole people, but they didn't bring them all back

523
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 4: to England. They put them on you know, their colonies

524
00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 4: in the Caribbean. Yeah, barbade Us in kids, Jamaica. All

525
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 4: of those people are descendants of slaves, all the black

526
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 4: people from the islands. But they did not educate the

527
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 4: black people from the islands as to where they came from.

528
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 4: They just assumed that they were from the islands, that

529
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 4: there was a there are black people from Africa and

530
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 4: there are black people from the islands. They didn't know.

531
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 4: So I had so many fights to school with kids

532
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 4: who'll be calling me names. I go and I go fuck.

533
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 4: Do not know that your africantinue you came from. Ain't

534
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 4: no African. I'm a Jamaican. I haint no primitive. I

535
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 4: don't run around with doult bones in my I used

536
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 4: to get that school and it wasn't until roots came

537
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 4: out in England that they went. My gods, because they didn't.

538
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 4: They were not educated. It's not their fault, they were

539
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 4: not educated. The school system did not educate us to

540
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 4: tell us that all black people okay from Africa. They

541
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 4: didn't know it. So at school I went for a

542
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 4: horrible time with other black kids just calling me names.

543
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 4: I was constantly getting into fight to school, and that's

544
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 4: where I started using humor because I was getting into

545
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 4: too much trouble because I was to make myself into

546
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 4: the crazy kid. Don't mess because she will punctu your

547
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 4: face tall, big, small, you know, I would just I

548
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 4: would fight. I'd be ready to fight, to shout so

549
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 4: that I wouldn't get bullied. I will fight any of you.

550
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 4: Don't even I will fight you. So then I started

551
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 4: using humor to kind of circumvent those, you know, those confrontations.

552
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so it's weird to hear you say that,

553
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 2: because in my mind, I thought that type of ignorance

554
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: was just for America because yeah, like I also you know,

555
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: had experience like that in the mid seventies or whatever,

556
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: like the the the worst insult you could say, like

557
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 2: on the on the playground or whatever on recess to

558
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: call someone African, Like that's when it's like, yo, I'm

559
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: ready to fuck you up.

560
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you say that to me again.

561
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: But you know to hear that this also is happening

562
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: with African kids over it's white supremacy.

563
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 4: Oh my god, white supremacy. They indoctrinated the entire planet.

564
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 4: I mean, it's genius what they did when you think

565
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 4: about it, generation people knocking out.

566
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm also dying because I do another podcast

567
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 6: with Jill Scott and Asia from Kindred, and Asia always says,

568
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 6: the root of everything that has to go on with

569
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 6: black people is white supremacy.

570
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 7: So it's just like word, absolutely the genius that not

571
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 7: even the fact that they subjugated us, that they convinced

572
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 7: us that we were less than and generations later, hundreds

573
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 7: of years later.

574
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 4: We still believe that we are less than we still did.

575
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 4: Hence you have all the you know, African Americans hate

576
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 4: Africans Africa. Haitians hate this to try. Everything stems from that.

577
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 4: The religion that was forced upon us to have us

578
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 4: believe even in a white Jesus and a white God.

579
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 4: The religion is forced upon the homophobia that was never

580
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 4: existent in African society. We were spiritual, We were spiritual.

581
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: Do you practice Euba? Are you do you practice Euba

582
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: the religion?

583
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: Or I don't.

584
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 4: I don't practice any religions. Really, I'm like, I've pulled

585
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 4: out from all are you Europa?

586
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 3: No?

587
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 4: My family from Benin City. But yeah, like if you

588
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 4: look back in history, homophobia was not existent in Africa.

589
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 4: It was all about spirits. They you know, there are

590
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 4: historical pieces written by white people who came to Africa.

591
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 6: They came now so now they because somebody literally just

592
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 6: told me that Ghana just took down the sign at

593
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 6: their airport basically saying don't bring your homosexual don't bring

594
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 6: your American homosexuals Christianity.

595
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 4: Basically the bricks came in and they were like, what

596
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 4: are you doing your worshiping these deities, these wooden artifactists.

597
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,959
Speaker 4: This stuff that you're doing is wrong as disgusting as

598
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 4: he them. You will, you will, you will worship this

599
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 4: white Jesus, and they built churches, and they took the

600
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 4: land to build these churches, and they beat the religion

601
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 4: into the people and it's been passed down for generas generations,

602
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 4: so they didn't even know where the religion comes from.

603
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 4: So the Christianity and all that stuff was not there before.

604
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 4: It wasn't met. Now, we worshiped the land, We worship

605
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 4: our own deities. We worshiped the spirits within people. So yes,

606
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 4: there were men that had more feminine energy, but it

607
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 4: was no big deal. There were women who had more

608
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 4: masculine energy, but people just were It was all about

609
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 4: the spirits of the people. Same thing within the indigenous

610
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 4: tribes of every country. You know that they had different

611
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,719
Speaker 4: genders and they it didn't It was all about the spirit.

612
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 4: And some of these people with different genders or different

613
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 4: identities were considered more spiritual than some they we went to.

614
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 4: They used to go to them for advice and things

615
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 4: like that. So this was what it was like before

616
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 4: the white missionaries came. Yeah, and they were like, stop

617
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 4: all of this, stop all of this. This is heathen,

618
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 4: this is animalistic. You will worship our white Jesus. You

619
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 4: will go to our churches, and we will give you

620
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 4: our education, and if you don't do it, we will

621
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 4: kill you. So while we're building your churches, we will

622
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 4: take every all your land to build these churches that

623
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 4: you did not know you needed and you were worshiping them.

624
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 4: And we may sell some of your family, but that's

625
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 4: just how it is. We are bringing you civilization, and

626
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 4: that's basically what happen. So the religion that you see

627
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:38,239
Speaker 4: is bastardized. It's been used by men to subjugate. This

628
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 4: is the same religion that was used to justify enslaver

629
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 4: and black os.

630
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I was about to say, you know, you

631
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 6: know all about this same religion.

632
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 5: Some of us try to act like we need forgot.

633
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, So you know, I'm like, this same religion that

634
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 4: you're using to beat people over the head because they

635
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 4: have this is the same religion that was used to

636
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 4: subjugate your people for hundreds of years. This is the

637
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 4: same the same colonizes that you claim to reject, but

638
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 4: you're not rejecting the bullshit that they taught you.

639
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: You know, when you when you occasionally bring this up

640
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: in concert, like when you really get real about the

641
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: effects of racism, knowing that you have a mixed audience,

642
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,479
Speaker 2: like what's the general reaction and how do you handle

643
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: it if someone collapse back at you? Because I saw

644
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: Chappelle try to do this once and it didn't work

645
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: with his sort of drunk frat boy I'm Rick James

646
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: bitch audience that was wanting him to just, you know,

647
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: just be a caricature, and you know he's here to

648
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: turn Dick Gregory on them.

649
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean here's the thing. The audience that tends

650
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 4: to come to see me know that I just say, well,

651
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 4: I'm going to say so if you're coming to see me,

652
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 4: you know that you're getting what you're getting. Also, as

653
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 4: a comedian, my first port of call is always too entertained.

654
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 4: I'm here to make you laugh. I'm not a teacher.

655
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 4: I'm not a lecturer. I'm not That's not what I'm

656
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 4: here to make you laugh. So that is always my

657
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 4: first port of call. You need to be laughing.

658
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 5: Now.

659
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 4: If I'm slipping in some politics and slipping in some

660
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 4: that's teaching you something. As long as you're laughing, it's

661
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 4: all good. So I don't go out there and just

662
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 4: got hardly man is the devil. I don't do that

663
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 4: I tell stories. I tell stories of experiences from my

664
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 4: life because just by virtue of who I am, I

665
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 4: am a walking political statement. So I don't have to

666
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 4: make a big dealer again I'm black. I'll just tell stories.

667
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 4: I'll tell stories about the racist woman on the train

668
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 4: who didn't believe that I belonged in first class. I'll

669
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 4: tell the stories of being in the first class lounge

670
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 4: at the airport and a guy asking me where the

671
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 4: eggs are. I would just tell stories. I would tell

672
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 4: the stories and they learn from the stories. They're laughing,

673
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 4: but they're learning at the same time. And that's how

674
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 4: I do it. It's like feeding medicine, but you coat

675
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 4: it in sugar, so you don't really know you're taking

676
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 4: the medicine. And that's how I tend to do it.

677
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 4: As a stand up coming so I don't go. You know, obviously,

678
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 4: people still get angry because white people get angry that

679
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 4: you got I call them the defensive white people. Ah,

680
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 4: the dfws who will get upset with if you just

681
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 4: mentioned race, They're going to get upset. And I mean

682
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 4: called racist by someone. You're racist, You're racist talking about

683
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 4: white people. I'm like, talking about racism does not make

684
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 4: you racist. You gotta know the difference. You're defensive, you're

685
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 4: just so I'm just like, just get out of my face.

686
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 4: But yeah, but an audience who comes to see me

687
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 4: know that they're gonna have a good time. They're going

688
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: to laugh a lot, and they may come out with

689
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 4: some knowledge, but really they're coming to enjoy your show.

690
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 4: And that's what it's about for me.

691
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: I know that before a life in comedy, you were

692
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: preparing for life as an engineer.

693
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 4: I wasn't prepared. I was an engineer.

694
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: I worked right, but I mean, well, yeah, what came first?

695
00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: You're need to make people laugh or you know, I

696
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: would assume that was it.

697
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: Was it a desire to be this engineer or was

698
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: it like let me fall back on something.

699
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 4: No, the desire to make people up, It wasn't a desire.

700
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 4: It came out of necessity to avoid fights. I didn't

701
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 4: think it was something I could do for a living.

702
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: I just used thatchanism.

703
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a defense mechanism. But I come from

704
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 4: an African family with very academic so my mom was like,

705
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 4: you know, I do a routine on stage where I

706
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 4: got there's four choices of career in an African family. Doctor, lawyer, engineer,

707
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 4: disgrace to the family. Those are the choices. So I

708
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 4: was meant to be the doctor. My mom told me

709
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 4: from the age of two that I was going to

710
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 4: be a doctor. It was until I was at eighteen

711
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 4: and we had to dissect a rat that I discovered

712
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 4: I couldn't stand the sight of blood. So I switched

713
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 4: from studying to become a doctor to engineering because that

714
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 4: was the next on the list. So yeah, I became

715
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 4: an engineer. I started, I got my degree in electrical

716
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 4: electronics engineering, and I became an engineer, and I enjoyed

717
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 4: the work. I enjoyed being I was never going to

718
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 4: be the best engineer in the world, though I was.

719
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 4: I was okay, I did well, and also I was

720
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 4: you know. My last job was working for Otis Building,

721
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 4: repairing elevators. His name was Elijah Otis, the man who

722
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 4: supposedly invented the elevator, even though he probably had a

723
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 4: black person helping them do that as they did. But

724
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 4: the guy who is credited with inventing the elevator was

725
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 4: a white man. People figures a black guy because the

726
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 4: name Otis, but his name was Elijah Otis. It was

727
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 4: a white dude. But I worked for Otis Elevator building

728
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 4: and repairing elevators that as an engineer, and I was

729
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 4: their first female engineer in their one hundred year history

730
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 4: in the UK of this company in the UK, And

731
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 4: it sounds amazing, but it was not. I worked on

732
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 4: construction sites with white men and I was the only

733
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 4: woman engineer and a black engineer in that and the

734
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 4: same paid word as these people, while being much younger

735
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 4: than all of them. I went for a baptism of fire.

736
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 4: Like you're on a construction site. There's no HR, there's

737
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 4: no one to say, oh, you're not allowed to say

738
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 4: it back. I got called the nigga to my face

739
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 4: every day at work. I'd come into work and there's

740
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 4: pictures and monkeys above my overalls, or there's banana skins

741
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 4: in the pockets of my overrules, and they'd be giggling

742
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 4: as I'm taking out these banana skins and throwing them away.

743
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 4: This this is what I put up with at work

744
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 4: every day for four years. Oh yeah, I stuck it

745
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 4: out because I had to prove that I could do

746
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 4: the job. I had to prove to them that they're

747
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 4: not going to scare me out of this that I'm

748
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 4: as good as they are. And the more they hated me,

749
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 4: the more I came into work because they wanted to

750
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 4: drive me away and I was not having it. But

751
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 4: in the end I had to pull a guy aside

752
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 4: and threaten him with physical violence. I was like, listen,

753
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 4: you can call me nigga. I've got two brothers. I

754
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 4: was sending these two niggas around your house too. Fuck

755
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 4: you up. I know where you live, so that if

756
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 4: you call me nigger once more, you're a dead man.

757
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 4: And that is it. He never spoke to me again. Damn,

758
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 4: work got quiet, but.

759
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 5: I was helping. I wanted. I wanted them to meet

760
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 5: a niggah.

761
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, he didn't get to shut his math. He shut

762
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 4: his mouth quick, that is quick when I told him

763
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 4: my new ways lived and I'll send my brother's around there.

764
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 4: So that But that was what I put up with

765
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 4: every day at work for years and then the only

766
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 4: reason I ended up leaving the job. I was good

767
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 4: at the job. That any reason I ended up leaving

768
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 4: because I wasn't getting the promotions I was supposed to.

769
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 4: Because I was a woman. I was their first woman.

770
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 4: They didn't know what to do with me.

771
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 5: That's great.

772
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 4: So I'd be like, well, I've done this, I've earned this,

773
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 4: I've done this promotion. I've got the promotion, you give

774
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 4: it to me on paper, You've given me the money.

775
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 4: Now I'm supposed to run my own site because when

776
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 4: you get to a certain level, you then manage your

777
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 4: own site. And they were like, well, we don't have

778
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 4: to the gins is we've done. If the guys are

779
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 4: going to listen to a bird, you know what I mean,

780
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 4: doesn't think they're they're going to listen to a girl.

781
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 4: Given them all theers, So we'll give you the promotion,

782
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 4: give you the money, but you can't manage your own site.

783
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 4: So I was like, well, then this is not good.

784
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 4: I'm going to go to a grievance hearing. So I

785
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 4: set up a hearing. My union that I've been paying

786
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 4: into for four years, refused to represent me. Union records like,

787
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 4: we don't know about this women's stuff, so you're on

788
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 4: your own. So I turned up for this ingridians hearing

789
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 4: unrepresented by my union. So here I am twenty one

790
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 4: year old black girl in a room with these old

791
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 4: white men who run who are at the top of

792
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 4: the company, and obviously I lost. They were like, yeah,

793
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 4: we don't see we're doing anything. Want to get out

794
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 4: of here. So in the end, I was like, I'm

795
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 4: I at this job. They were you know, in the

796
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 4: mid nineties, they were making people with Dundant. The building

797
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 4: industry went through a bit of a slump. They were

798
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 4: laying people off. They were never going to lay me

799
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 4: off because I was their black poster child. But I

800
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 4: marched into my manager's office and I was like, you

801
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 4: better pay me off and let me go. Al was

802
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 4: I going to go public with this shit. So they

803
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 4: were like, oh, here's your money, Off you go. And

804
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 4: it was in that time that I fell into comedy

805
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 4: because I was like, let me take a little bit

806
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 4: of time out of engineering, let me have some fun,

807
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 4: let me go.

808
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: Do you had a little cushion, Yeah, a little cushion.

809
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 4: I had the money and had a little apartment with

810
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 4: my My rent was cheap. My car was brought cash

811
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 4: at this nice little nest egg money. So I lived

812
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 4: off that money. And it was in that time that

813
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 4: I fell into comedy and just ended up never go

814
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 4: back to engineering.

815
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: Around what year was that.

816
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 4: I'd say ninety I started doing comedy in ninety six.

817
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, oh damn okay, yea.

818
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 5: At the time, who were you laughing at?

819
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 6: Like?

820
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 5: Who was making you laugh?

821
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 4: Funnily enough, I never really watched comedy before I did it. Oh,

822
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 4: I'm not one of those comedians that's got an encyclopedic

823
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 4: knowledge of comedy. I like to watch my peers. I

824
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 4: never watched the l because I tried to watch Richard

825
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 4: Prior videos, but but when I came, I'd seen so

826
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 4: many cares doing virgins off he stuff. But by the

827
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 4: time I saw him, I was like, yeah, like I've

828
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 4: seen this, and it sounds horrible to say this publicly, No,

829
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 4: that's real. I've never watched it entire which of Brian

830
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 4: Special because I felt like i'd seen it because I've

831
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 4: seen versions of it so often.

832
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Prior is one of those dudes like I always

833
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: compare him to Like he's kind of like what Dila,

834
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 3: what j. Dillar was to music, in the sense that

835
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 3: you're trying to explain him. You had to be there

836
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 3: and trying to explain him to people. Now they don't

837
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: understand it, Like, Yo, before this guy happened, all this

838
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 3: shit that y'are rocking to now, like that shit just

839
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: did not exist, you know what I mean, And it's

840
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 3: hard to explain that the people you know.

841
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: And Richard Pryor, he was kind of like that when I.

842
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 3: Would watch him, you know, all my uncles and should

843
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 3: be laughing at him, but I'd be like, huh, you

844
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

845
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, as my mom's mayble, and I was curious

846
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 6: if you ever.

847
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 4: I mean, I've gone back and researched it, That's what

848
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 4: I meant. So I've gone back and got oh moms,

849
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 4: But like we didn't have mums. Maybe in England we

850
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 4: would not have known who she was. It's only when

851
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 4: I moved to America that I started looking at the

852
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 4: history of a black comedy in I mean, we had

853
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 4: Eddie Murphy obviously in England he was huge. He was

854
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 4: a world wide superstar. So I saw raw, you know,

855
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 4: we everybody saw that. And then we used to get

856
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 4: the VHS tapes of the Deaf comedy jams, so we

857
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 4: got that, so we got deaf comedy jamming. England we

858
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 4: always to, you know, so when I ended up doing

859
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 4: deafth comedy jams, all the black British comics were like,

860
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 4: oh my god, do it that. It was the massive

861
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 4: thing because we'd all been sleeking and watching the vhs

862
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 4: of Deaf Commic. So, but when I came to MCA,

863
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 4: that's when I started. You know, Chris Rock. We knew

864
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 4: who Chris Rock again, you know we've got.

865
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 5: All the me came there too.

866
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, he came in towards so we knew who Chris

867
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 4: Rock was. A Chappelle's show came later on. We we

868
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 4: did get Schappelle Show. But I never watch Chappelle Show.

869
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 4: I never watched it because it was at that time

870
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 4: when I was I don't know when was Schappell Show.

871
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: It was like two thousand and three, so.

872
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 4: I was already in comedy in England, just hustings. So

873
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 4: I never really watched a lot. I never really so

874
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 4: I've seen I've never seen all of I've seen clips

875
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 4: of the Chappelle Show on the internet, but I never

876
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 4: I was not really watching TV like that. I've never

877
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 4: even watched the First Prince. I know, I've watched clips

878
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 4: of it. I've seen it. I know the show, I

879
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 4: know what it's about. I watched the documentary of it,

880
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 4: but when it was on, I never actually watched the show.

881
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, once she's seen a few clips, you see anymore.

882
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 1: I'm playing no, okay.

883
00:43:53,320 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: So from my observation, you know, when I'm watching people

884
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: talk about English comedy, of course, Faulty Towers and Monty

885
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: Python and whatnot.

886
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: What people would you say.

887
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 4: White English comedy? When I say English comedy, it usually

888
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 4: means white people.

889
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: I get it.

890
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 2: But what were black people holding on to as far

891
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 2: as comedy was concerned in the late sixties early seventies, Like,

892
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: what was Monty Python for black people?

893
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: Not really?

894
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 4: I didn't give ahit about Monty Python. I never found it.

895
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 4: I didn't get it. Was just a bunch of very wealthy,

896
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 4: middle class white this is how Monty Python sounded to me.

897
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 4: That's all it sounds like to me. I just I

898
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 4: never watched it as a kid. I didn't get it,

899
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 4: you know, I just didn't get it.

900
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: I didn't get much but Benny Hill.

901
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 4: But Benny Hill was physical comedy exactly.

902
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: I was a kid watching that, and it was as

903
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: a kid.

904
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 4: I wasn't I mean, as a kid. There was a

905
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 4: guy called Kenny Ever who who I found hilarious. If

906
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 4: you ever look up clips of this guy on YouTube,

907
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 4: Kenny Everett hilarious, hilarious. He was funny, and he was

908
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 4: who I watched on TV. We had Lenny Henry, who

909
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 4: was our black comedian. He was one top black comedian

910
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 4: in the UK, so we watched a lot of his staff,

911
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 4: a lot of Scared So we had stuff we had,

912
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 4: you know, we had a lot of We had TV

913
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 4: shows with Caribian actors on it. So we had our shows.

914
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 4: But as far as black comics in the sixties, a

915
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 4: lot of the black comics in the sixties did very

916
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 4: self deprecating humor that was for white audiences.

917
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: You know, they do similar to our minstrel comedy for America, Yeah,

918
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 2: very much. So you guys had there was a version

919
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: of that for the UK as well.

920
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the.

921
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 4: Black and White Minstrel Show was a British show. Yeah,

922
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 4: it was only in the UK. And then we also

923
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 4: had black Yeah, and so Lenny Henry, he was our

924
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 4: one black comic and black people looked at him sideways

925
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 4: for a long time because he did appear in the

926
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 4: minstrual show. But he was a young black comic. There

927
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 4: was nothing out there. He was the one and he

928
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 4: just did what he was told to do. But yeah,

929
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 4: he did appear in the show. So the black people

930
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 4: were like for a long time.

931
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 1: So what year did the mental show stop in the UK?

932
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 4: Not for a long time. It went on for I

933
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 4: didn't I think it stopped. I think it didn't even

934
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 4: stop for like the early nights. It went on for

935
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 4: a long time. I might exaggerating, but I know it

936
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 4: was on for a very long time. It stopped way

937
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 4: after it should have stopped.

938
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, damn, okay, way it has to sell by day.

939
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 4: Well, well by way.

940
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 2: So how does one cut their teeth and navigate through

941
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 2: the early structure of trying to be a comedian?

942
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: Like what clubs and like how are you able to

943
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: do that? And also you know where they open to

944
00:46:55,239 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: you being a woman, a black person, how hard was

945
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: it to sort of rub shoulders?

946
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 4: And when I started in comedy in the nineties, there

947
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 4: had been there was a burgeon in black comedy scene.

948
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: There was a huge you know, it.

949
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 4: Was very segregated. So we had a black comedy scene

950
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 4: which was made up of theaters, black run theaters. There

951
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 4: were lots of good underground roots theaters around the country.

952
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,439
Speaker 4: And there was a promoter called John Simmett who used

953
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 4: to put on shows all along and he used to

954
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 4: bring over American comics to do our show. It's like

955
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 4: I met JB. Smooth twenty five years ago. Ian Edwards,

956
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 4: I met all of these guys twenty odd years ago

957
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 4: when I was starting out in England. I went to

958
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 4: see them at theaters in England in the nineties before

959
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 4: they became huge. So this guy, John Simmittt was putting

960
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 4: on all these shows. So there was a really good

961
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 4: comedy scene. Not in comedy clubs, it was theaters, it

962
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 4: was events. The black scene was an event. They put

963
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 4: in their face on the fly and people came and

964
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 4: got dressed up. It was a big event. So that's

965
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 4: where I started doing comedy on the black scene. The

966
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 4: white comedy scene was mainly cony clubs and there were

967
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 4: a lot of them all over the countries, so you

968
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 4: could make the black team paid more money because it

969
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 4: was more of an events, but they weren't as many

970
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 4: of them, so you might get one, you know, we

971
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 4: might get one show every couple of weeks playing three

972
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 4: hundred bucks. But was on the white circuit. They paid

973
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 4: less money, but you've got a lot of work if

974
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 4: you got into the clubs. I've always made the point

975
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 4: of playing both sets, playing the Black scene and the

976
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 4: white scene. Immediately from the beginning, I was like, I

977
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 4: want to be funny to everybody, and I want to

978
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 4: make all the money because I'm a Nigerian. So that's

979
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 4: how I thought. I want to make all the money,

980
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 4: so I want to do all the clubs. So I

981
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 4: made the point of playing both. People used to say,

982
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 4: are you going to go do the white circuits? You're

983
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 4: set out whatever, But I never sold myself out. I

984
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 4: always was pretty much quintessentially me when I did those shows.

985
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 4: So yeah, and that's why I did. It was hard.

986
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 4: It was a struggle. It was a struggle getting on

987
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 4: at those clubs because they didn't respect black comedy. They

988
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 4: always thought that black comics were this the same, isn't

989
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 4: America The assumption that every black comic is a deaf

990
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 4: jam comic, or every black comic talks a certain way.

991
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 4: That's how it was in England. They thought that all

992
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 4: we talked about is our parents beating us or whatever.

993
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 4: So it was a struggle getting on those clubs. But

994
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 4: I worked here, and you know I did. I kept

995
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 4: tussling and kept testing these clubs and I did get on.

996
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 4: But you know, it was hard getting on TV. I

997
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 4: was always the token. I was always on TV. I

998
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 4: was on all manner of TV shows. You know. I

999
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 4: was famous for being that black girl that's on every

1000
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 4: show an England never had show. So when these shows

1001
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 4: got accused of racism, they go, but no, no, we're

1002
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 4: not racist. We had Gina. We've had Gina on our

1003
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 4: show eight times. So I realized I was being used

1004
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 4: as a token to keep other black people down. So

1005
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 4: I was like, I got to get out of here.

1006
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 4: I got to get out here.

1007
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 2: I was told that I was trying to figure out

1008
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: an American comedy when blacks are trying to get to

1009
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: that mainstream level, Like, you know, how do you get

1010
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: out of what we call the Chiplin circuit into mainstream comedy.

1011
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: Some black comedians joke with me, the one thing you

1012
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 2: can't do when you decide to go mainstream is, I

1013
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: guess the common denominator is amongst comedians is your deaf,

1014
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: your deaf jam comic if you're fucking the chair.

1015
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 4: Yes, there was a lot of chair humping, a lot

1016
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 4: of chair humping exactly.

1017
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: So what what is the.

1018
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: What's the sort of the signature kind of blanket move

1019
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 2: for black comics in the UK, That sort of.

1020
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 4: Well, a lot of black comics in the UK kind

1021
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 4: of modeled themselves on the Deaf jam comics, So there

1022
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 4: was also some store humping in England as well.

1023
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: But fuck like this, White people like that.

1024
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 4: When I started doing comedy. When I started doing comedy,

1025
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 4: you know, I was the only comedian of African descent

1026
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 4: that was really doing it. A lot. Ninety of the

1027
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 4: comedians wore Caribbean descent, so a lot of their jokes

1028
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 4: were doing jokes at the expensive Africans. So when I

1029
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 4: came out, I was coming from a different perspective. So

1030
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 4: that made me stand out immediately from everybody else because

1031
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, you guys are talking about Africans,

1032
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 4: let me tell Jamaica's let me tell you about yourself, Basians,

1033
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 4: let me tell you about yourself. And so I was

1034
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 4: coming from that perspective, and I did material about being

1035
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 4: an African kid and the experiences at school being So

1036
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 4: I came from that perspective. So it made me stand out,

1037
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 4: made me different, and it made me successful earlier because

1038
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 4: I was coming I was very different from everybody else.

1039
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 4: But then what happened was I started a trend because

1040
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 4: I was able to parlay that into mainstream success on

1041
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 4: television talking about my African heritage on British television. Then

1042
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 4: I started a whole stream of young comics of African

1043
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 4: descent who were like, oh, we could talk about being African.

1044
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 4: And then it almost became hack because I was doing characters,

1045
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 4: my African characters, which were characters well written, but a

1046
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 4: lot of these younger comics were just coming out and go,

1047
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 4: look like I dog in an African accent and it's

1048
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 4: really fun and people were laughing at that, so then

1049
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 4: it became hackey.

1050
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to ask, Uh, you mentioned the

1051
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 2: Lenny Henry Show earlier, and that's where you did more

1052
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 2: of your sketch your character actors, How did you develop

1053
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: Tanya the one of your more famous characters, Tanya and

1054
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: Uh and I love the fact that you wore a

1055
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 2: bootleg Alan iverson Jersey I'm from Philly. And the other

1056
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: character missus us Yeah, how did you develop those characters

1057
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: for that show?

1058
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 4: Well? Missus Macreda was based on my mom, so I've

1059
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 4: been doing various versions of her in my stand up

1060
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 4: before that, so all I did was just make her

1061
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 4: a person and put the wig on and actually encapsulate

1062
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 4: The character Tanya was based on the young girls I

1063
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 4: used to see on the buses and see it on

1064
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 4: the streets when I used to hang out, and I

1065
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,720
Speaker 4: used to listen to their conversations and their voices and stuff.

1066
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 4: So but when they call me on the show, they

1067
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 4: called me to be a writer. They didn't call me

1068
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 4: to be.

1069
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: On the show. They wanted me.

1070
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 4: To write on the show. And I was like, well,

1071
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 4: I write on the show, but the characters that I

1072
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 4: you know, that I come up with, I want to

1073
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 4: play them. That's the only reason I'm gonna I'm a comedian,

1074
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 4: I'm a performer. I don't want to just write sketches

1075
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 4: and be in the background. So I was like, if

1076
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,240
Speaker 4: I write on the show, but if I create these characters,

1077
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 4: I want to play them. And that's basically how I

1078
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 4: got on the show as a writer and performer, and

1079
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 4: lucky I did, because those characters catapulted me to mainstream success.

1080
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 4: Up until that Lenny Henry show, I was what you

1081
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 4: call hood famous because I'd done a black TV show,

1082
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 4: and I was famous to black audiences, and when I

1083
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 4: was selling out theaters, it was all black. But then

1084
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 4: when I got on the Lenny Henry Show that was

1085
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 4: mainstream BBC television in the UK, and my audience changed.

1086
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 4: I started to pick up a much bigger and broader audience,

1087
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 4: which I still hold to this day. So I still

1088
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 4: kept my black routes because I never changed who I want.

1089
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:01,959
Speaker 4: But then white people came on board.

1090
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: So I know eventually you came stateside. What was the

1091
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: what was the decision process to leave the UK to

1092
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: move to America.

1093
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 4: Well, I wanted to be in America since I was

1094
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 4: a child, since watching Different Strokes. I was like, I

1095
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 4: want to go to America and be adopted by Like

1096
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 4: it was my dream. I was to watch all your

1097
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 4: TV shows. I'm like, kids in America they got better

1098
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 4: candies than us, they got better clothes than us. They've

1099
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 4: got better bikes, they can go around and solve crimes

1100
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 4: and shit. I want to be an American kid.

1101
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1102
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 4: So when I was four years old, From four years old,

1103
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 4: I say to my mom like, why why did you

1104
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 4: come here? So I never felt British. I was like

1105
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 4: why did you come here? Like you could have gone.

1106
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 4: I could have been born in Miami, like what you thinking?

1107
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 4: So it's pretty dream like. Even when I worked for

1108
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 4: Otis as an engineer. Otis is an American company, So

1109
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 4: all my life, I was planning to come to America.

1110
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 4: Even when I was working as an engineer, I was like,

1111
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 4: I'm gonna work for an American company and at some

1112
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 4: point I'm going to transfer and be an engineer in America.

1113
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 4: So it's been my dream to live here my entire life.

1114
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 4: How I got here as a comedian Last Comic Standing,

1115
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 4: I saw it as a chance to get to America,

1116
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 4: and so I auditioned for the show and got to

1117
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 4: the semi final and they got me a two year

1118
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 4: work visa, and I was like, Oh, does this mean

1119
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 4: I can live and work in America for two years?

1120
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 5: Oh?

1121
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 4: Well, I'm done. Went back to England, sold my house,

1122
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 4: sold and gave away everything I owned, and turned out

1123
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 4: for the semi final of Last Comic Standing, which is

1124
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 4: two suitcases to my name, and threw a big party

1125
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 4: in England, said I'm leaving and coming back goodbye. And

1126
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 4: I was only a two year visa, but I'm going

1127
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 4: to turn this into a green card and then I'm

1128
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 4: going to turn it into businesship. I am never.

1129
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: Coming back into a dynasty. Nice.

1130
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 4: There you go, And I've been here fourteen years.

1131
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 5: So wait, is that for real?

1132
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 6: Like before you came here, you saw all the like

1133
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 6: the beauty of America, but you had no idea of

1134
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 6: like what was really going on in the history.

1135
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 4: Oh I knew what was going on, but and shit

1136
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 4: was happening in England. So I was like, I'm just

1137
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 4: there's no difference to me. I'm just going from you know,

1138
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 4: as a comedian in England, a black comic covers, I

1139
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 4: was well known, I hit I'd got quite famous, but

1140
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 4: I hit that glass ceiling, hit the glass ceiling of

1141
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 4: where black people are allowed to reach in English entertainment industry.

1142
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 4: So I was like, well, America's got a black seedling,

1143
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 4: but it's a lot higher. So at least when I

1144
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 4: hit the black ceiling, that the glass ceiling in America,

1145
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 4: I'll be a multi millionaire when I hit it, and

1146
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 4: I can cry in my money. So that was my idea.

1147
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 5: I love it because you are the queen.

1148
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 6: You are the queen of comedy in London. There a

1149
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 6: like queens.

1150
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I am the Adam. You know, I am

1151
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 4: the most you know, well known black female comedian, one

1152
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 4: of the most well known comedians standard in England. But

1153
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 4: I was here and my white male counterparts here. So

1154
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 4: I'm here and I'm doing pretty well. I've got you know,

1155
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 4: I'm doing well. But then these white is that who

1156
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 4: opened for me and then going boom and becoming stadium

1157
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 4: filling multimillionaires, And I'm like, wait, a year ago you

1158
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 4: were opening for me. How am I still here and

1159
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 4: you're here? I need to get out of here. I

1160
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 4: need to go and swim with the sharks in America.

1161
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 6: This is mind blowing because I'm thinking of myself like,

1162
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 6: so now that she so, now that you're here, and

1163
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 6: this is a different time. Now, it's a time now

1164
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 6: where you know, in Hollywood it makes more sense for

1165
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 6: you to be black and British black in African descent.

1166
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 6: You know, like a lot of there's an issues that

1167
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 6: people speak about sometimes that you are first choice when

1168
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 6: it comes to roles a lot of times like what

1169
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,919
Speaker 6: is what is your talk about?

1170
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 5: It?

1171
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 4: Talk about No, here's the thing with the whole African

1172
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 4: American versus Africans and an hour versus Brits thing. If

1173
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 4: there were enough rolls, enough world rounded, three dimensional roles

1174
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 4: for black actors in America, we wouldn't be fighting over

1175
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 4: these crumbs. We're fighting over crumbs. And here's the thing

1176
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 4: I say. They say, the British black actors the first choice.

1177
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 4: Not how many African American characters have played Nelson Mandela,

1178
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 4: how many?

1179
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: How many?

1180
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 4: Only Washington played Steve Bako. All African heroes have been

1181
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 4: played by African American actors. But we didn't complain. We

1182
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 4: just were happy that our story parents.

1183
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: Howard even played Nelson. You have to remind us, wait

1184
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: he did.

1185
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 3: There was a yeah he was he was him and

1186
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 3: uh and Jennifer Hudson played Winnie.

1187
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 5: It was like, wait, the Winnie movie. It was the

1188
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 5: Winnie movie.

1189
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yea, I won't need to end apart at me.

1190
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 4: That's what I was saying. What what is the big complaint?

1191
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:57,919
Speaker 4: What is the big complaint? Collination? Like we had a show.

1192
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 4: We had a movie in England called for Queen and Country.

1193
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 4: It was a movie about a British soldier.

1194
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,959
Speaker 1: Coming out of the Queen the Country. I remember this movie.

1195
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, Washington, that British soldier. They of all the black

1196
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 4: actors in England, they went to America and brought Denzel

1197
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 4: Washington to England to play the role of this British soldier.

1198
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 4: So it's cross.

1199
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: This is you know the play he plays Steve Beagle too.

1200
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 4: He was, yeah, said he played. So all our African

1201
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 4: heroes have been played by African AMers.

1202
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 5: I see it, right, Harriet Martin, I mean she.

1203
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 4: Did?

1204
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: They do the role justice, that's awfu.

1205
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 3: That's where I met with it too. They bodied the ship.

1206
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 4: That's all you got to ask, because that's what you got,

1207
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 4: you know. Look, Will Smith played the Nigeria in Horrible.

1208
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 5: You have the miss I love.

1209
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 4: I love Will Smith. That was horrible, just horrible. Black Panther,

1210
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 4: I love Black Panther.

1211
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: That was that.

1212
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 4: I love that movie. But every member of that family

1213
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 4: had a different African accent, different African accents.

1214
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 5: I blame I blame Lou Peter. She should have to

1215
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 5: everybody correctly. I don't know. It's a bad no, it's

1216
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 5: a bad joke.

1217
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 4: Well that's what I'm saying. Look, I tell you a

1218
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 4: little story. When I came to meet Chuck Laurie to

1219
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 4: create Bob hart Saba, I asked them what they wanted

1220
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 4: the African character to be called, and one of the

1221
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 4: guys said Peter, and I was like, okay, hell, here's

1222
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 4: the same. I was like this is why you guys

1223
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 4: need me for one. Peter is Kenyan. You're talking about

1224
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 4: Nigerian cats. She's Kenyan. Wrong side of Africa, Wrong side

1225
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 4: of Africa too. She was born in Mexico. Her parents,

1226
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 4: for ships and Googles, gave her the name of you Pitera.

1227
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 4: Pretty much guarantee there's not another fucking African on the planet.

1228
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 4: So him, let me give your listen like your names,

1229
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 4: let me help you. Lets let's make this authentic, Let's

1230
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 4: make this good.

1231
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: Thank God and thank you.

1232
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 2: I was about to say I don't I don't even

1233
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 2: want to skip this far into it. But I had

1234
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 2: a friend that used to act on Two and a

1235
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 2: half Men, and I went to set the visit just

1236
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 2: to see, like what the atmosphere was like. And you know,

1237
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 2: Chuck Laurie's shows are. It's the most intense atmosphere I've

1238
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 2: ever seen as far as the comedy show is concerned.

1239
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 2: Like I never I didn't know he was that hands on.

1240
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 2: I know that every time they break the writers run around,

1241
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 2: all right, give me better punch, likee go, no, you're horrible,

1242
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,919
Speaker 2: go you suck.

1243
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: Like I never knew it was that cutthroat.

1244
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 6: That's just it's not as bad on our show.

1245
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 4: He's mellowed with age. And also because I'm running the

1246
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 4: show with our Higgins and him, our atmosphere is a

1247
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 4: lot more chill. It's a lot you know, I bought

1248
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 4: black writers in, you know.

1249
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 2: Like, well, they need you to make it work, So

1250
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 2: I doubt it. But I'm just saying that what I saw.

1251
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 2: It's like every time they.

1252
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 4: Take a sitcoms it's the NBA.

1253
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 2: It is like every time they take a break, and

1254
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 2: I could tell what the what the what not the linears,

1255
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 2: but I could tell the order of like the the

1256
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 2: the respected writer versus the newbie, because you're supposed to

1257
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 2: form a circle around him. And he's like, I don't

1258
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 2: like that punchline. Give me some of that works.

1259
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: Go and you don't. If you don't nail boilse eye

1260
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: with bulls eye with the right punch line, that sucks you.

1261
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 2: You And I'm just seeing like people getting deflated every

1262
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 2: time they don't come with the magic.

1263
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that.

1264
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 4: Does not suffer fools. Gladly luck, I'm a stand up

1265
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 4: and I came in with that confidence of the stand up,

1266
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 4: and you know, not every one of your jokes is

1267
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 4: gonna work. It's the it's the not showing fear when

1268
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 4: it doesn't hold. It didn't work because something and these

1269
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 4: guys who just talk incessantly because they're trying desperately to

1270
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 4: impress you just got to be chilled, like he likes

1271
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 4: me because I'm chilling around there. I'm just like, here's

1272
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 4: a joke. Now, that didn't work, Okay, give me a

1273
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 4: couple of minutes. A couple of minutes and that relaxed

1274
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 4: about the whole thing.

1275
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 2: That's why I wanted to ask you, because in that

1276
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 2: particular atmosphere, in that particular day that I saw, I

1277
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 2: just don't know how one can be creative when they're

1278
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 2: they all look like they were like have their heads

1279
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 2: in the guillet gun right exactly. And I'm like, well,

1280
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,919
Speaker 2: how can you come with something creative when you're under

1281
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 2: such duress? And I wanted to know was it like

1282
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 2: that on the set as well?

1283
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 4: Now our Share is a fun set. Before we do

1284
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 4: our run throughs and rehearsals, I put on afrobeats, we dance.

1285
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 4: I put our music Like if you look at my

1286
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 4: stories and stuff, you'll see me and the cast, the crew,

1287
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 4: all of us. We put the music on, we fuck

1288
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 4: it and we dance. I'm like, let's go, let's get

1289
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 4: the energy, just get it's fun. This is fun. We'll

1290
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 4: playing you make the lead like people. This is not

1291
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 4: rocket science, this is not surgery. So I put music on,

1292
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 4: We dance, We have fun, and the writer's room is

1293
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:37,919
Speaker 4: a really nice collaborative feel. And Chuck likes the room

1294
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 4: that we're running. And Chuck comes in and he loves

1295
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 4: coming and hanging with us, and it doesn't feel high pressure.

1296
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 4: We're talking. We don't write because the show, if you

1297
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 4: watch Barba Harts having shot, it's not a joke heavy show.

1298
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 4: It's funny, and we aim for the funny, but we

1299
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 4: also aim for the real heart, the real story, the

1300
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 4: real three dimensions of all the characters. So it's not

1301
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 4: just jo give me a joke, need to joke right now,

1302
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 4: we need, don't you know, the funny comes. We concentrate.

1303
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 4: Chuck has now taught us, taught us a lot. We

1304
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 4: concentrate on the story, make it real, and then you

1305
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 4: can add in the jokes later. So you know, I've

1306
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 4: learned a lot sincinnat show, but we haven't got that

1307
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 4: kind of high intensity thing going on. We all it's

1308
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 4: a collaborative thing. Everybody works together, we break you know,

1309
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 4: and you know, I've had people come up to me

1310
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 4: after the season and go, look, this is one of

1311
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 4: the best sets I've ever worked on because your energy

1312
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 4: is positive and finally, you keep it light and it's

1313
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 4: not high pressure and we enjoy coming to work. So

1314
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 4: that's what I'm trying to do.

1315
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 2: I was going to say, if it wasn't desirable, I

1316
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 2: think we would have heard it from you right now

1317
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 2: and your your comedy.

1318
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: Abe.

1319
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 4: I've got a whole routine about how this show came about,

1320
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 4: then finding me on Google all of that. I've got

1321
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 4: a whole routine about it. Chuck has heard it and

1322
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 4: he's like.

1323
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 2: Oh god, So you know, I also want to, you know,

1324
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 2: commend you on You know, I know that the rural

1325
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 2: comedy is supposed to be like tragedy plus time equals

1326
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 2: humor or. I guess that's the the formula. But you know,

1327
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 2: all of your subject matters, you somehow find the seriousness

1328
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 2: and things that are like you know that you leave

1329
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 2: nothing no stone unturned, like you talk about sleep app

1330
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 2: you know, you talk about lupus. You know, coming out

1331
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 2: to your family, all these things. How did you? Where

1332
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 2: did you get to the place where it's like, because

1333
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 2: you I think you have to not care in order

1334
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 2: for your world to open up. Like usually if people

1335
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 2: are super guarded and that sort of thing, then you're

1336
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 2: not going to work.

1337
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: But you have to get to the point.

1338
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 4: Where you don't give a shit anymore?

1339
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, where did where did you reach that level?

1340
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 4: Not that long ago? You know, I wasn't out for

1341
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 4: a very long time because I was like, I'm a

1342
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,479
Speaker 4: black woman in this industry. I don't look so way,

1343
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 4: like do I really want to give them something else

1344
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 4: to box me in with? So for a long time,

1345
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 4: I did not talk about my sexuality at all. I

1346
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 4: avoided the question. I never lied, but I always circumvented

1347
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 4: the questions. They asked the question that but like, I

1348
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 4: was doing this stuff. So at the beginning of my career,

1349
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 4: it helped me because I had to think outside the

1350
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 4: box as far as materials concerned, because when everybody else

1351
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 4: is talking about relationships, so I had to go right,

1352
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 4: let me think of let me me just think of

1353
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 4: other material So it made my materials stand out because

1354
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 4: I wasn't one of those women talking about relationships. I

1355
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 4: wasn't talking about that stuff. But then after years, it

1356
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 4: was like a straight jacket because I couldn't really open

1357
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 4: up and be completely myself on stage because I was

1358
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,919
Speaker 4: holding back a facet of my personality and I didn't

1359
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 4: really come out till I started touring. I was on

1360
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 4: toy Cat Williams, and I was touring with a young

1361
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 4: Oh Yeah. I was there for the crazy I was

1362
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 4: there on a private jet with Sugar Night. I was

1363
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 4: there for all of that, all that crazy ship that

1364
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 4: was happening. I was there for all of it, all

1365
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 4: of it. But I was on tour. I'll tell you that.

1366
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 4: I'll come back to that. I was on tour, and

1367
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 4: I was on tour with a young communion called Shauntey

1368
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 4: Wayans who's she's part of the Way Into Yeah, and

1369
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 4: she's a lesbian comic. And I loved how unapologetic she

1370
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 4: was on stage, and I remember watching her thinking and

1371
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 4: envying her, thinking, that's what you do. Just be on

1372
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 4: stage and be yourself, doesn't matter. And it got to

1373
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 4: the point where you know, I'd done all the things

1374
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 4: that I'm supposed to do, be happy, smiley, non threatening

1375
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,600
Speaker 4: Geena for years to try and get on and it

1376
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 4: hadn't worked, and I was like, you know what, I'm

1377
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 4: just going to do me. I'm going to just do me.

1378
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 4: And I just and I didn't make a big dealer

1379
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 4: of coming out. I just slipped a joke in here

1380
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 4: and there, slipped a line in here there. I didn't

1381
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 4: make a big deal of it because it's just one

1382
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 4: facet of my personality.

1383
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: It doesn't define you exactly, but.

1384
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 4: It just means that I was completely open and there

1385
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,759
Speaker 4: was nothing that I was hiding, and my comedy got better.

1386
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: How did that feel like? Having a realization? How did

1387
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 1: it feel so good?

1388
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 4: And I just like why did I wait so long? Like,

1389
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 4: oh my god, I wish I'd done this years ago.

1390
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 4: But when I you know, back, people going, oh, you're

1391
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 4: you know you're black.

1392
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 8: A Williams will desert you because you know, black people

1393
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 8: are homophobing me, and so people are telling me, but

1394
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 8: it is because I'm like, look, I built up a

1395
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 8: reputation of being a really good comic and really funny,

1396
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 8: and so people like me.

1397
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 4: Even if you don't, well, then off you go. For

1398
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 4: every one person I lose, I gain another five. So yeah,

1399
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 4: so I wish I'd done it years ago. But yeah, good,

1400
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 4: you know, I'm glad I did. But as for Kat Williams, yeah,

1401
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 4: I was on tour twenty twelve, and you know, Cat

1402
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 4: one of the most generous, giving, supportive people, smartest people

1403
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 4: I've ever met.

1404
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: Yes, but if you watch.

1405
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 4: His comedy take Out all the Motherfuckers, the guy is

1406
01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:58,879
Speaker 4: a genius.

1407
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 3: Cat is brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. I tell you, Yeah, they

1408
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 3: just let the pimp shit get in the way.

1409
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:08,759
Speaker 4: But that if you key away all of that highly

1410
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 4: intelligent man. Hi, we had wonderful conversations, but I have

1411
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:18,480
Speaker 4: wonderful conversations. And the next day he was like, hey,

1412
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 4: he was so I was like, I don't know what's

1413
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 4: getting on, but you know, I just he respected me

1414
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 4: because again I didn't kiss ass. I didn't, you know,

1415
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,640
Speaker 4: But yeah, I was on that tour. We shouldn't you know.

1416
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 4: I was left on stage doing hour and a half

1417
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 4: sets because he I tell you, I'll tell you one story, Wow,

1418
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 4: encapsulate a craziness.

1419
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 3: And at the time did you have an hour and

1420
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 3: a half did you have okay?

1421
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: Was it just proud work or okay?

1422
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 4: Oh no, I've been in comedies since ninety six.

1423
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 5: I already had the Queen in twenty twelve.

1424
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 4: I'd already shot two specials, so yeah, gotcha how it

1425
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 4: was here? Let me tell your story, encapsulate the whole thing.

1426
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 4: So I'm on tour, I mean, very generous the first

1427
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,639
Speaker 4: time Cats taking me on tour, and he calls me out,

1428
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 4: you know, the first time I met Cat. I'm in

1429
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 4: New York. It's the New York Comedy Festival. Cat is

1430
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 4: appearing at the Carnigie Hall, sold out, and I'm going

1431
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 4: just to watch the show because my friend Will Sylvins

1432
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 4: was opening for him. So I'm turning up at the theater.

1433
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 4: I'm about to walk in the front to watch the show.

1434
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,600
Speaker 4: Will Sylvants calls me where are you? And I'm like,

1435
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 4: I'm about to walk in the theater and take my seat.

1436
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 4: He goes, come out to the stage door. So come

1437
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 4: aroun to the stage door and they go, Cat's not here.

1438
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 4: He's been arrested on the way to the show. So

1439
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 4: can you go up and do twenty minutes? And I'm like,

1440
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 4: canniegi who fuck?

1441
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1442
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 4: So Will went on did his time. Then I went

1443
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 4: on and did mine and killed and being towards the

1444
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 4: end of my set, Cat Williams had been released by

1445
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 4: the police, and he made it in caught the end

1446
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 4: of my set, and afterwards he was like, I like you,

1447
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take you on tour and I was like, yeah, yeah,

1448
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 4: I've had that shit before whatever. And I was visiting

1449
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 4: New York from LA so I was staying at Will's house.

1450
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 4: Next day, I get a call from the woman who

1451
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 4: books Cat shows and she's like, so, Gina, you did

1452
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 4: color you for Cat? Cat me like you. He wants

1453
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 4: to take you. He's doing what's that place in Jersey

1454
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 4: that's supposed to be like Vegas but it's not. He goes,

1455
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 4: Cat's doing Atlantic City tonight. He wants you to open

1456
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 4: for him. How much did they pay you for Carnegie Hall? Now,

1457
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 4: they didn't pay me a penny. I just went up

1458
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 4: and did twenty minutes, but I wen't going to say that,

1459
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 4: so I was like two thousand dollars and she goes, done,

1460
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 4: we'll see you tonight and a car Mercedes turned out

1461
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 4: twenty and I was like fuck, I should have said

1462
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 4: eight anyway. So the car picked me up and took

1463
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 4: me to Atlantic City and I opened for Cat at

1464
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 4: Atlantic City and he's he's backstage. Was like a scene

1465
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 4: out of New Jack City. Remember when they had the

1466
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 4: naked girls just counting money. Yeah, that's because Cat used

1467
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 4: to insist that you go get the cash from the

1468
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 4: box office and pay him. So they used to have

1469
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 4: to get box up then we can and so all

1470
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 4: these girls will be just there just counting all these

1471
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 4: money and go bitch, Paig and just come over.

1472
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:14,799
Speaker 1: Scene.

1473
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 10: Yeah yeah with the milk titties.

1474
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

1475
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 4: They He paid me cash and then he just he

1476
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:33,640
Speaker 4: said I'm going to take you on tour, and I

1477
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 4: was like, betts. So he calls me up. Cat calls

1478
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 4: me up and he goes, Okay, so I'm going to

1479
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 4: take you on tour. I've got a hundred books around,

1480
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 4: book to the country. We're going to make a load

1481
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 4: of money. How much do you get paid? So I

1482
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 4: was like, I was like ah, So I was thinking

1483
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 4: if I say three thousand, he will knock me down

1484
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 4: to two. I'll get two grander show one hundred shows sets.

1485
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 4: I go three thousand, and Cat goes, I'll give you five.

1486
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 4: I'll see you next on Saturday.

1487
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 1: And I was like what.

1488
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 4: And when I first met up with Cat on the tour,

1489
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 4: I says I asked for three. Why would you get

1490
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 4: Why did you say you give me five? And he goes,

1491
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 4: because I know you how good you are, because I

1492
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 4: know how good, know you're worth, do know your work.

1493
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 4: You're worth more than that, and you're better than that.

1494
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 4: And he paid me five thousand shows. Now I was like, oh,

1495
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 4: my days, one hundred shows. I don't like half a

1496
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 4: billion dollars. But after that first show, I was like, oh,

1497
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 4: we're not going to make it to three shows.

1498
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 1: And so it was sure was sure night touring was he?

1499
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,600
Speaker 4: He was, yeah, sure the night was touring with that.

1500
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 4: So let me tell you this quick story. So first

1501
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 4: night we're in Denver, we do the show, packed out,

1502
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 4: do the show, I do my set, I kill have fun.

1503
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 4: Short as I said, it's great. Cat goes on and

1504
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 4: it's a crazy show. Put it that way. It was

1505
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 4: when he was not having good shows, didn't go well,

1506
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 4: go backstage and he goes to the promoter, go the

1507
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 4: live Nation was was doing the show. And he goes

1508
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 4: to the promote, go go get my money, and they're going, look,

1509
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 4: people are walking out and they're demanding their money back,

1510
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 4: so we can't give you the money. And I'm like

1511
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 4: and and Cat's like, go get my motherfucking money. And

1512
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh God, back to go. And I turned

1513
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 4: around and I don't even know what happened. I turned

1514
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 4: around and I just hear and I turned back and

1515
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 4: the Live Nation guys on the floor and I'm like,

1516
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:26,759
Speaker 4: oh god, I gotta get out here. I gotta get.

1517
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 5: The way.

1518
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 4: The Live Nation guy got punched in the face. I'm

1519
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 4: not gonna say you did it. I didn't see it.

1520
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 4: I turned around.

1521
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: I just heard a noise and then and then you

1522
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: saw he was on the ground.

1523
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 4: So I was like, oh god, this is crazy. This

1524
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 4: is this tour is not I'm not gonna make half

1525
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 4: a million dollars.

1526
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 5: But they can't get but they can't get his money.

1527
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 4: That night, oh he got his money. So that so

1528
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 4: that was the next day. The day that was Denver.

1529
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 4: The next day we're supposed to be in Sacramento. So

1530
01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 4: they go right me, it's all in the love be

1531
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 4: at nine am, the plane will get on the plane,

1532
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,719
Speaker 4: we'll go to the Sacramento Cool. We're in the lobby

1533
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 4: nine am, ten am, eleven am, twelve pm. One We're

1534
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 4: all just sitting in the lobby for hours and I'm like,

1535
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 4: where's Cat, what's going on? So I'm like, I go

1536
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 4: up to these I just knocking it off. Yo, Cat,

1537
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 4: We've been down there for four hours. What's happening right?

1538
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,600
Speaker 4: No way, we'll be down to So he sent me

1539
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,640
Speaker 4: and I'm like, what is going on? Anyway? I was like,

1540
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 4: am we going to miss these flights? And the woman

1541
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 4: who's booking the show's like, oh no, it's a private jet.

1542
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 4: They're waiting for us on the runway. Anyway. They charged

1543
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:35,680
Speaker 4: Cat thirty thousand dollars in late fees. I remember that.

1544
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,560
Speaker 4: We get to the runway, so we all get in

1545
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 4: a convoy, you know, they put our luggage in all

1546
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 4: the cars. We all go to the runway where the

1547
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 4: jet is waking waiting. We get on the jet. I'm

1548
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 4: on the jet with sub Night, Bishop Magic Don't.

1549
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 5: Want is that?

1550
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: Yes?

1551
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 5: Yes?

1552
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 1: Yes, Green is for the money, goal is for the honey.

1553
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1554
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 4: I'm on the jet with them and cats kids and

1555
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 4: a bunch of other people. And everybody's like, where's Cat,

1556
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 4: Where's Cat?

1557
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 5: Why is it?

1558
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 4: And I was like, he was in a car just

1559
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 4: behind us, So I don't know where's Cat. This was

1560
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 4: at four o'clock in the afternoon at this point the

1561
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 4: show and Sacramento was in seven. At seven, we are

1562
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 4: in Denver, Oh, show's the Sacramento. I go where we go?

1563
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 4: Where Cat? Where's Cat? Where's Cat? Cat has decided he's

1564
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:27,640
Speaker 4: going to drive, Oh, from Denver to Sacramento. So I'm like,

1565
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 4: maybe I don't know America that well, Hell on Google,

1566
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:34,719
Speaker 4: how long does it take to drive?

1567
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 1: I'm doing that right now from.

1568
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,560
Speaker 4: Denver to sacrament And I remember it going that. It

1569
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 4: was like, oh, it will be nineteen hours or something

1570
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 4: like that, and I was like, we're not gonna make

1571
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 4: the show. It's fo o'clock the shows and seventh what

1572
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 4: is So we sat on the wrong way, everybody trying

1573
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 4: to get hold of Cats. So in the end, the

1574
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 4: pilot goes, listen, we gotta go otherwise, this flight is done.

1575
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 4: We got to take off. So we take off with

1576
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:03,719
Speaker 4: that cat and we had to divert the plane halfway

1577
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 4: through the journey to go pick up Cat in the

1578
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 4: middle of the desert somewhere. We had to divert the

1579
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 4: plane and land and pick up Cat gets on the

1580
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 4: plane and he's furious to us. I don't know what

1581
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:17,720
Speaker 4: was going on. He gots on the plane like you

1582
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 4: might go fuck it and just cursing, and I'm sitting

1583
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 4: there like, what the hell is, what the hell is

1584
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 4: going on?

1585
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: What is going on right now? To make it?

1586
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we get to we get to Sancramento. We

1587
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 4: are two hours late for the show.

1588
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 9: Now.

1589
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:35,600
Speaker 4: John Witherspoon, God bless him, God rest his soul, was

1590
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 4: also on the tour. But John Witherspoon had learned early

1591
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 4: on in the tour You're not to get on a

1592
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 4: plane with Cat. He was like, I'll get my own

1593
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 4: jet there, I'll meet you at the gig. So John

1594
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:49,639
Speaker 4: was already at the gig. But unfortunately they told John, Oh, yeah,

1595
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 4: Cat's on his way.

1596
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:54,640
Speaker 1: Just go on stage stretch. Oh E been on.

1597
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 4: Stage two hours when we got there. When we got there,

1598
01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 4: my god, poor mister Witherspoon had swept through his entire

1599
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 4: suit him. I was staged in two hours. And when

1600
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 4: we got there, he had two girls on stage doing

1601
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 4: a dance competition because he'd run out of jokes.

1602
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 1: He came up and oh my god, Now.

1603
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 4: Bury in mind, my stuff was still in a convoy.

1604
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 4: So I had to go on stage at this theater

1605
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,640
Speaker 4: to ten thousand people wearing a T shirt. No bra,

1606
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 4: jeans and flip flops because my clothes were still in

1607
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 4: a convoy driving halfway across the country somewhere. So that

1608
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 4: was the second night. So I was like, oh, this

1609
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,679
Speaker 4: isn't work. After every night they paid me my five

1610
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 4: thousand cash. So at one point I did three shows,

1611
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,879
Speaker 4: I had fifteen thousand dollars, and I was like, shouldn't

1612
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 4: I any boys. I don't. I don't want them to

1613
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 4: come at my hotel women in the middle of the

1614
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 4: night and dangle me out the window for this money.

1615
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 4: So as soon as we got to the next time,

1616
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 4: I run straight to the chase, like can I put

1617
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 4: this money in the And they're all looking at me

1618
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 4: like I'm a drunk dealer because I've got a private cat.

1619
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 4: I can I pay this in please? And they were

1620
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 4: looking at me like and they counting the money, just

1621
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,639
Speaker 4: looking at me sideways. But yeah, it was a crazy tour,

1622
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 4: you know. I was there in Seattle. The next night

1623
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 4: was in Seattle again, Kat got arrested on the way

1624
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 4: to the show, so I will Sae. Vince did an

1625
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 4: hour set. I did an hour set. John Witherspoon did

1626
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 4: an hour set, and by three hours in the crowd

1627
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:33,839
Speaker 4: is like, what is it? Yeah, and the crowd started

1628
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 4: to destroy the theater like it was a beautiful theater.

1629
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 4: And see how the crowd went mad because arrested on

1630
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,560
Speaker 4: the way. It was crazy. And the next day we

1631
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 4: were supposed to be in.

1632
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 1: Texas and who routed this tour?

1633
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 4: We were in Texas the next day ten thousand people

1634
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 4: sold out. The people who ran the the the venue

1635
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 4: were like, we ain't opening these doors until we know

1636
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 4: that the cat is in the city, because we heard

1637
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 4: about what happened in Yeat, we heard about what happened

1638
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:08,639
Speaker 4: in Sacramento. We ain't opening these doors. And the tour

1639
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 4: manager's like, oh no, no, cat's on these ways. But

1640
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 4: the cat is still in freaking kat is still in California.

1641
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 4: He ain't even left it. They're like, no, he's checked

1642
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 4: into a hotel and the guy's like, no, he hasn't,

1643
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 4: because we called all the hotels in the area and

1644
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 4: he's not there, so we ain't. In fact, if he

1645
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 4: ain't here by seven o'clock, we're cancling the show. And

1646
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 4: obviously he was never going to they canceled the show.

1647
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 4: Ten thousand people outside. They canceled the show. So John

1648
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 4: Riversprey at this point was like I'm out, I'm out,

1649
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 4: and he got on a plane and he went back home,

1650
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 4: and I was like, well, my flight home was booked

1651
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 4: from the next sea, so I had to get on

1652
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:49,640
Speaker 4: the tour bus and go to the next sea. And

1653
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 4: obviously cat never just turned it just didn't turn up.

1654
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 4: And then I just got a plane and went back to.

1655
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 1: I did.

1656
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 4: I did five shows. I was paid for free.

1657
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 1: Wow, that's how he was in.

1658
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 4: But you know what, he paid me more for those

1659
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 4: shows than I'd asked than i'd ask for, So as

1660
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 4: far as I'm concerned, he didn't know me nothing. Because

1661
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 4: I'd asked the three expected to he paid me five.

1662
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's crazy like that, you know, can't once

1663
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 2: chased me on a dirt bike. I was driving my car.

1664
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:24,560
Speaker 2: We did a show. Do you remember the show we

1665
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 2: did with Lauren Hill for like the BET Awards, like

1666
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:31,639
Speaker 2: the BT Awards weekend. It was like Lauren, I forget

1667
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 2: who it was, but this this guy kept trying to

1668
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 2: I thought he's trying to car jack me or something.

1669
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 2: And the last thing I was expecting was and it

1670
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 2: was like those you know the bicycles where it's like

1671
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 2: an adult tricycle.

1672
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the cord blind things.

1673
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had like an adult tricycle. It was scary.

1674
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:53,600
Speaker 1: One of dude roll up on you right, And I

1675
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: was like, I.

1676
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 2: Was near skid Row, Like we were leaving the Staples Centers,

1677
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:58,599
Speaker 2: but you know, like skid Row's near there.

1678
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 1: So that's what I thought. Was he kept now it's

1679
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 1: like it's Cat Williams nigga And I was like aicycle. Yeah,

1680
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 1: he hit my cat story. I met Cat one time.

1681
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 1: I met Cat. Yeah, there's yo, everyone, dude. I met

1682
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 1: him once.

1683
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was at the We did a show and uh,

1684
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 3: this is a House of Blues back you know when

1685
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 3: House of Blues in La on sunset and it was

1686
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 3: like us. I think, like us dolated people's quality and

1687
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 3: like some other people and uh a little brother, I

1688
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 3: think we will be like first or second going whatever.

1689
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:29,640
Speaker 3: But we did the show and it was dope and

1690
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 3: went off and so afterwards we went up to like

1691
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,600
Speaker 3: the little area where they were just having drinks and

1692
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 3: just kind of social area and Cat is there and

1693
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:39,640
Speaker 3: he just comes up to me and like, you know,

1694
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 3: I think it's his people's wedding.

1695
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 1: He's like, yo, it's Cat whatever, you know, he loved

1696
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 1: the show whatever. I'm like, oh, this is dope's up.

1697
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 1: So I just walk up to way. What's uthing, man?

1698
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:47,640
Speaker 1: He gets it to me, leans in.

1699
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 3: He's like, when Obama get in office, the people's gonna

1700
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 3: be looking for something different and they're gonna be wanting

1701
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 3: something new, and y'all are gonna be part of that

1702
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 3: something new and up until the time when you really

1703
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 3: take off. If you need twenty thirty g's just to

1704
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 3: put in your pockets, you come holler at me. I

1705
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 3: was like, what the fuck is So then he calls

1706
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 3: his girl, Alwa's like get my number. What So I'm

1707
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:15,640
Speaker 3: just talking to this girl like I don't know who

1708
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 3: she is. I'm just like okay, I don't.

1709
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 1: Wait and bro, that's what he said. And I was

1710
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:21,639
Speaker 1: like okay.

1711
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:24,040
Speaker 3: And he gave me well, I mean, he didn't give

1712
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 3: me like no money, but she gave me a number

1713
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 3: and I gave her number to my manager at the time,

1714
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:28,639
Speaker 3: and I just walked away.

1715
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 1: I was just like, Okay, I don't know what.

1716
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Speaker 4: That was, but that's what he does. He's set at

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Speaker 4: the back of comedy clubs and if he liked your set,

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01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 4: he'd call you over and go. Whatever I got in

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01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 4: my pocket is yours? Just money? Wow, that's another time

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01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 4: I met him. I didn't show and he just called

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01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 4: me over and he's like, where did I got my

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01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 4: money in my pucket? He took out five hundred dollars

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01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 4: and just gave it to me. That's what he used

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01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 4: to do.

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01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 5: Look, he's a and he was right about your future.

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01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 5: How about this?

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01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he saw it. He saw whatever they said about.

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01:24:56,479 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 4: He's a good dude, a genius comic, genius comics, one

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01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 4: of the best comics working today, without a doubt, just

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01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 4: one of the best and a good dude. His heart

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01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 4: is good. He's crazy, but hot heart is good.

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Speaker 3: My question was totally I say mine for last because

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01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 3: it's a totally kind of off beat question, but I'll

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Speaker 3: let you go.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: Well, I wanted to not like what what comedians do

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01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 2: you enjoy working with? Or who do you not even

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01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 2: working with? Like who do you laugh at? Like who's

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01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:27,679
Speaker 2: your favorite?

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01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 1: Gosh, there are so many I works general, too general

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01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:32,759
Speaker 1: to ask.

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01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 4: You know, obviously, the the usual suspects. For I like

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01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 4: to name comics that people might never have at off

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01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 4: please do like there's a comedian called Erin Jackson. Okay,

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01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 4: ye finding black woman Hilo, and she just did one

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01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 4: of Tiffany's specials. Okay, I gotta give Tiffany a shout out,

1747
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 4: like she bringing people through, like she's money. She put

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01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 4: her own money in to make these specials, to make

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01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 4: sure that everybody got paid properly. She put her own

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01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 4: money in. That's what I'm talking about. She's bringing people through.

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01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 4: Like you know, a lot of people make it and

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01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,719
Speaker 4: they just don't really go back to pull the others forward,

1753
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 4: pull others up with them. Tiffany is not that person.

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01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 4: She goes back and she goes so, you know, shout

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01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 4: out to Tiffany. She's a she's a diamond. But yeah,

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01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:24,520
Speaker 4: Eron Jackson hilarious. Young comedian called Joe L. Johnson hilarious.

1757
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 4: Like there's a lot of black women are out there

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01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 4: just doing good things and they need breaks. There's so

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01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 4: many good ones out there, So I like to name,

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01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:33,600
Speaker 4: I like.

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01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 5: To name, but look z Way and my sister got

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01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 5: the comedy special.

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01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, we're all out. They're doing it. We're

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01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:43,719
Speaker 4: all out, they're doing it. But yeah, these are comics

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01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 4: that should be getting you know, I'm glad Eron got

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01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 4: her specials, she got her shine. But yeah, it's a

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01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 4: long time in this business. We need more, we need

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01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:55,560
Speaker 4: more like that. I could name the usual suspects, but

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01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 4: that's boring. Everybody names the same.

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Speaker 1: All right. So now you know now that the the

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01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 1: book is out there and.

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01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 4: Handed, please buy it. It's out today, Yes, it's out.

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01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:09,679
Speaker 4: I was going to say, it's a good book.

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01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 1: Do you do you hope to option it for movie

1775
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 1: rights to do your life story.

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01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 4: Or absolutely there are crazy stories in there. I've led

1777
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:23,639
Speaker 4: a life and I've had a journey and I definitely

1778
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 4: want to option it serialization.

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01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 3: So so what so my question, what American actress plays

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01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 3: Gina Yashia in your movie?

1781
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:36,600
Speaker 1: Who would you cast to play you?

1782
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 4: Cynthia Rivo?

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01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, check it, yeah, check it. This

1784
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 1: might be an unpopular opinion. Arisa loved her and that

1785
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 1: Aretha John For me, the only thing, yeah, it was

1786
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 1: the only that the Retha joint. I loved it.

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01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 3: The only place where it fell apart was the singing,

1788
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 3: and not because simply can't sing. Like I thought they

1789
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 3: should have pulled the ray but I don't know if

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01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 3: they had rights to the music.

1791
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:05,680
Speaker 1: But where they don't think.

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01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, the family were not. They didn't give permissions, so

1793
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 4: they couldn't get all the guy the famous for songs.

1794
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 4: She let it go.

1795
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 1: She killed that role. I thought she did. Everybody showed up. Yeah, okay,

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01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:27,559
Speaker 1: gen a black britg Yeah, yeah, who see Privo.

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01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 3: That's who plays Gina on the Lifetime special, the Lifetime

1798
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 3: version of it, A cutter version of me.

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01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 3: So this is a question I need to know for

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01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 3: as black brid it's very it's rare that we get

1802
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 3: like black Brits on this show.

1803
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 1: So this is this is a question.

1804
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:50,839
Speaker 3: I just asked, what, in your opinion is the greatest

1805
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 3: Black British song? And why is it Return of the Mac.

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01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:01,879
Speaker 1: The show's over.

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Speaker 5: Yo on Tuesday, Yet let's talk come on the other day.

1808
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 4: I was watching some movie some TV shows and they used.

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01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 9: It and I was like, it was it might have

1810
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 9: been it was a girl of I was like, what

1811
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 9: was that song like in Europe? Like what was it

1812
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 9: going off?

1813
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 7: Like?

1814
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 4: He was about to be a big star. He was

1815
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 4: about to be a big star and then he just

1816
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 4: like getting and the press started turning against him and

1817
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:36,680
Speaker 4: his career disappeared. But he was he was gonna be

1818
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 4: a fixed. People were singing that song. He was huge.

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01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:39,720
Speaker 10: It was a big song.

1820
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 1: I love im still saying that song.

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01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 6: I was.

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01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:46,599
Speaker 1: I was a first hand witness to that song working. Yeah,

1823
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 1: I was. I was first hand witness.

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01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 2: But I think he kept like trying to I think

1825
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 2: in ninety five the thing was sort of like, I

1826
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 2: gotta get more pressed by being more thanks. I always

1827
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:03,679
Speaker 2: felt like all those arrests that he was getting into.

1828
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 4: It was like on purpose just to yeah, and no

1829
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 4: career because the press turned against him and that was

1830
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:12,720
Speaker 4: the end of that. It was stupid. Yeah, I don't

1831
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:14,880
Speaker 4: know where it is now. And you got me with it.

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01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:15,720
Speaker 5: You got me with that.

1833
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:20,560
Speaker 1: We got to find Mark Morrison. Well, we thank you

1834
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:23,240
Speaker 1: for coming on the show so much fun.

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01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 6: Congratulations, congratulations are some extra freedom. I know you ain't

1836
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:30,759
Speaker 6: totally free, but you've seen freer than most. I'm sorry,

1837
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:34,680
Speaker 6: And I want to come up that podcast with Jewe

1838
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 6: Scott too.

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01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 1: I love you Scott, all right, I'm going you on

1840
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:38,799
Speaker 1: that podcast.

1841
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:42,679
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that love Jiel Scott. I met her once

1842
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 4: and she gave me a number and I lost that

1843
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 4: some mad. I was at the BET Awards in two

1844
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 4: thousand and eight and I was doing red carpet stuff

1845
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 4: and they her people tried to drag that past me

1846
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 4: and I was like, no, you ain't, Jill Scott. I

1847
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 4: come all away from England to this kip. You better

1848
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:57,120
Speaker 4: walk past me on this head carpet. And then she

1849
01:30:57,240 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 4: came back and she was like a little girl from

1850
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 4: the comedy Javel. I was like yes, and she was like, oh,

1851
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 4: you're funny, and I was like yeah. And then she

1852
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:05,560
Speaker 4: performed later on in the evening and it was for

1853
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 4: all these BT executives and they were being all too

1854
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 4: cool for school, like sitting there taking and I got

1855
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:13,719
Speaker 4: up and I was dancing and mouthing all the words

1856
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 4: to her songs and she was like, yank you, and

1857
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:17,720
Speaker 4: she was like, here's my number if you ever needed

1858
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:21,519
Speaker 4: anything cooling, and then that fucking fun crush and I

1859
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 4: never got in touch with your Scott and I was

1860
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 4: so mad at myself.

1861
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 5: So tell her that it's done on the show. You

1862
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 5: got a book there, It's done, It's done.

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01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 1: It's gonna be crazy.

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01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:33,759
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for coming on the show on behalf

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01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 2: of Team Supreme, fran Tikeolo and Sugar Steve.

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01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 4: Thank you, Gina, thank you very much.

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01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 1: That there it is, and this is this question that

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01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 1: we'll see you on the next go around, of course,

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01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 1: the Supreme. Thank you, yoh, what's up?

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01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 3: This is fante. Make sure you keep up with us

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01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 3: on Instagram at QLs and let us know what you

1872
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 3: think and who should be next to sit down with us.

1873
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 1: Don't forget to subscribe to our podcast, all right, Peace

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01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:12,479
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1875
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:16,840
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