WEBVTT - ALL BALL - Green Bay Asst. Jordan McCabe on Tatum/Team USA Drama, Viral Social Media Fame, West Virginia Commitment 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:11.080 Hey, what a welkoman. I'm Doug gottlie This is All Ball. 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:11.920 Listen. 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:13.960 We've been doing all ball now for like five years. 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:17.480 I even have players like Dude, I listen to all Ball. 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:21.079 So we'll continue with the storytelling. We're gonna start pumping 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:23.720 out a greater volume of these. Obviously now there's a 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:27.440 video component to it as well, So we want to 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:30.639 thank you for your patients and getting everything kind of 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:33.680 up and running here in GB. A reminder of The 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:35.720 Doug Gottlieb Show is daily three to five Eastern twelve 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:36.280 two Pacific. 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:38.600 He continues on, there's a podcast for that as well. 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:42.199 A lot going on in international hoops, not as much 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:44.519 NBA hoops, and obviously some in college hoops. 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:45.239 I'll just kind of. 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:47.680 Give you an update of where I am, where Green 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:49.720 Bay hoops is. We have. 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:57.720 Twelve twelve committed scholarship players, nine of whom are on campus, 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:02.720 and then we have a gaggle of recruited walk ons 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:07.520 as well, and it's been fascinating. You know, do I 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:11.640 I don't have experience, but I do have a lot 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.880 of kind of athletic talent, maybe some basketball talent, and 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:17.600 trying to kind of mold that and matriculate it towards 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:19.920 getting getting it ready for November fourth, when we play 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:23.119 our first game. It has been a challenge and it's 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.119 really interesting, right Like people tell you all the time 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:30.000 the challenges of being a college basketball coach. 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:31.240 You know, I've heard different ratios. 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:34.480 Seventy five percent is not coaching, ninety percent is not coaching. 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:39.679 I would say it's in the sixty percent is not coaching. 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.720 But again, what I feel like is if you as 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.679 coaching isn't just the basketball thing, it's the managing people. 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:47.360 It's the managing their time. 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:50.720 It's the getting them, you know, blending the how much 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:52.080 time do I have them in the gym, how much 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:53.680 time do I have them in the workout in the 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:55.960 weight room? How much time do they put into workouts? 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:57.800 And then how do we blend it with school as well? 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.000 But there is definitely challenges at this level because you 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:03.000 just don't have the numbers of people helping you out, 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:05.200 so you have to do things on your own, which 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:08.840 I love, but as somebody who never says no to anything, 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.160 it does become a lot. But it's been incredibly enjoyable. 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.040 I like my group, like I love my group as 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:15.880 human beings. 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:17.240 I like my group. 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:21.920 I know, I think we've pretty much identified our weaknesses 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:26.800 and some of our strengths, and I think trying to 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.400 highlight our strengths and minimize our weaknesses is kind of 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:33.000 the challenge of the next couple of months. But we've 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:37.520 we have one week left of workouts, and what I've 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:40.200 committed to doing is playing a full game today and 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.480 playing a full game next week as well, just so 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.880 guys get the feel of competing for for informative wars. 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:50.880 Understanding TV timeouts, understanding locking in at a timeout, and 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:52.440 how you know what we're going to run, how we're 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:54.560 going to defend out of a timeout is incredibly important. 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:57.840 And really we spend time trying to. 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.560 Teach everything, and my thought on teaching everything, and this 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:04.480 really comes from coaching youth basketball, and I'll fully admit 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:10.720 my younger group, so they were I started coaching a 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.840 fourth grade B team, and then the next year I 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:17.840 had another fourth grade team, which my son was he 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:19.520 was playing out before, and then he was playing at 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:23.080 the right level. I would get upset at things that 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:27.239 I had lightly coached, but I hadn't really taught them 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:31.440 in a practice, and like, here's The biggest challenge I 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:35.080 think for coaches is you can't hold players accountable for 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.320 something you have not told them when I try and 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:38.920 coach the way I want to be coached, Like, hey, 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:42.600 if you don't listen and pay attention, that's on you. 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.120 But if I don't coach it and then I assume 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:47.200 that you can do it in the game or you know, 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:47.480 in a. 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:48.800 Situation, that's on me. 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:51.360 So we've tried to go through the summer and teach 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.520 as many little things as possible. You know, don't take 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.880 the ball out underneath the basket. Where are the hashmarks 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.200 on the floor? You know, where's the alley, where's the slot? 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:00.600 Where's the top of the key? Why do we want 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:02.200 the ball at the top of the key? Because there's 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:06.800 no help side all of these different things. And it's 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:11.320 it's fun, like it's it's incredibly fun. And to answer 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.480 the the the question how good do you think you'd be? 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:18.440 I have no idea zero, And honestly, I don't care. 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:21.800 I don't I want my team to play good basketball. 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:23.960 I want my team to get better. I want them 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:27.360 to look better next week than they do this week. 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.119 And I think we've accomplished it. Every week, we've looked better, 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.680 and you know, then we'll figure out when we throw 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:35.440 them into the deep end with somebody's guaranteed games and 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:41.280 even some of the non guarantee music are games, hard games. 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.239 And I do this where I look at our schedule, like, dude, 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:46.760 we're going against really good coaches. So it's going to 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.720 be hard for me first year. But I'll learn and 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:53.120 we'll adjust and we'll get it right. So my staff 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:59.839 continues to grow, and I want to welcome in Jordan McKay. Now, Jordan, 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.440 we'll have him tell the entirety of his story over 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:04.360 the next couple podcasts, but the first part of his 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.000 story is he's on my staff. 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:11.000 Obviously, been on Instagram. 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:13.240 Superstar for years. Started really he was the guy who 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:14.760 made Ball of his life something you had to go 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:16.880 and watch, like, who is this kid from Wisconsin? Holy shit, 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:19.280 he can handle the baldy pass it and he's got 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:20.960 some shit to him right. He was like the new 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:27.279 Jason Williams. And he is the only holdover from Sundance 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.760 Wick's staff. Now, Sonny had just hired him like a 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.840 week before I got the job, and the. 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:34.880 Whole thing made sense to me. 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.320 And he's not on the recording yet, so I'll just 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:43.120 tell you he's super impressive, Like he's twenty five going 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.120 on forty, just has a good balance about him, good 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:50.840 understanding of him, you know, still a little impulsive, as 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.200 so much of us are in our youth. There was 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:57.240 a player who when I first got here, he's like, 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:00.840 we got to take this kid, coach, And I have 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:02.840 total faith in my assistance, like they tell me I 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:03.440 got to take somebody. 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:06.680 So it's like, let me watch every Synergy clip we 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:10.039 have on him. So he watched and I was like, like, 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:10.760 what don't you like. 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:16.159 I was like, well, here's what I value and here's 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:19.800 how what he does. And after that it's been a 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.200 great relationship. And part of it is you have to 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.159 tell people what you're looking for, what you want, and 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.279 again like I have no doubt that some of the 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:31.000 guys that I want that we brought in that I 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.440 personally evaluated, may not fit, may not be good enough, 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:39.839 or may not fit. So it's all learning and evaluating process. 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:44.920 But Jordan star in any business, but especially in this business, 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.560 he'll be a star. I think he'll be a head 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:53.080 coach within two three years. Because one obviously every kid 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.240 that we go recruit knows him. He's really good with 0:06:56.279 --> 0:07:02.080 the players, at coaching him mentally, emotionally, beating the shit 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.520 out of him, but also like that kissing their ass 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:05.760 just there was a realness to it. 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.280 And his youth is a strength and he's like me, 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:12.360 he's up with the crack of ass. 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.320 Now he does go to bed early, which I don't 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:18.600 really understand, but that's what happens when year twenty five. Anyway, 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.280 let's welcome in. He's Jordan McCabe. We'll talk about Jay 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:23.000 five's nickname. 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:27.320 He joins me. Now an all ball as we bring 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.760 in my guest for today. 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:33.200 He's also one of my assistant coaches and he's he's 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:35.080 an ig icon as well. 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.080 He's the one and only j five. 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:41.080 Jordan McCabe joins me, and I just want to get 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.840 your opinion real quick on the I guess it's a 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:47.680 controversy which has now kind of been muted a little 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.000 bit with Jason Tatum not playing in the first game. 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:53.640 Terry's Alburton also didn't play in the first games, Like 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:54.080 no one. 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.120 Even mentioned that, right, and I get it. 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:57.840 He wasn't first team All NBA's team didn't win an 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:00.600 be a championship, but Terry's Alberton was an star and 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.400 literally didn't play a minute and no one said a 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.520 word about it, which brings me to a bunch of 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:14.240 other stuff. Additionally, Game two, Jason Tatum starts and Joel 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.160 Embiid doesn't play a minute, and again very little chatter 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.200 about as they dominate South Sudan. Let me just first 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:22.080 get kind of get your thoughts. You watched, I know, 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.960 both games. What do you think of the fact that 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.840 that Steve Kerr didn't use Tatum, didn't use Haliburton in 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:28.720 Game one? 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:32.480 So I think there's two ends of every spectrum, right, 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:35.000 Like I think you coach pee wee basketball and you're like, 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:37.040 I just need two or three guys who can make 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.839 a basket, and then you have USA Basketball where it's 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:41.760 like I have way too many guys who can wait 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.199 make way too many baskets, and I don't know how 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.920 I'm gonna make this work. So anybody who you know 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:51.480 wanted to be a Twitter coach on Game one, I 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.920 don't think realizes, you know, the actual challenge there is 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:57.560 on that end of the spectrum with having World Cup 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:00.600 class basketball players all the way down here. Last guy 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.520 and it's like any other team. It's like any other game. 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:05.760 There's only so many minutes and so many rotations that 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:06.319 make sense. 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:09.280 Totally true, you know, it's interesting. 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:13.000 So when I coached Maccabi games in Israel, and again 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.120 I'll start with the premise, I think everybody knows. 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.079 I'm in no way comparing. 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:23.800 My guys for Maccabi USA with Jason Tatum and Terry's 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:27.720 Halberd and Joel embiid okay, but the issue still remains 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.520 the same. You have twelve guys you want to get in. 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:37.319 They're of similar competent talent levels, and you have forty 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.640 minutes in a FEBA game. And oh yeah, by the way, like, 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:44.600 here's the biggest similarity in the two right, the trying 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.600 to play everybody thing is a big thing. But the 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:51.640 only thing worse than not getting guys in is losing. Like, 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.560 if you lose, it's the end of the world. It's 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.720 everybody's caught us, You're an idiot. No one blames the players, 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.760 everybody blames the coach. So the first and most important 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:06.360 thing is to understand when you're coaching, here's how I feel. 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:07.400 And this is going to be. 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.240 A challenge for us going forward, going to your bench 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.520 can be a great thing, but it's a lot like 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.400 every time you go into surgery, every time you open 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:19.920 somebody up, there's the chance of something going wrong, of 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:21.480 changing momentum. 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:21.440 For the worse. 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.120 Right, It's it's like that's what they say about guys 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:26.560 that have had ten knee surgeries. 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:27.880 Right, It's like, look, every. 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:29.320 Time we want to fix something, but every time you 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.400 going to fix something, you know you can get a 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.920 bacterial infection, you can screw up something else. You know 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.800 you can get scar tissue. Like there is a good 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.640 to fixing it, which you can with subbing. Guy gets tired. 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:45.720 But you also you change the matchups, you can change momentum. 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:48.080 And I'll just tell you I love the feeble rules. 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.080 But it's a much more free flowing game. There's a 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.160 lot less stoppages, and there's four less minutes and a 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:56.280 half eight less minutes a game. And then the last 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:59.760 part is like as embarrassing as some people make it 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.480 out to be to not play. Jason Tatum and tyres 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:06.040 Halburton also consider the you get to the fourth quarter, 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.560 you're up twenty, and you know it's more embarrassing than 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.559 that is putting them in garbage time, like it's actually 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:13.439 worse to go and like, hey man, you want to 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:16.640 go get five minutes like namm good. You know, especially 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:18.800 when a guy has never done that in his life 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.080 and they all feel like they're going to get hurt, 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.360 They feel like they embarrassed. It does embarrass them and 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.880 it feels like it embarrassed themselves. Whereas if you just 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:27.520 go like, hey, this is part of our plan. Kevin 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.000 Durant played way better than we thought and we just 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:32.480 went with a ten man rotation, like, got it understood. 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:37.080 So the good news for Steve Kerr is that, you know, 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:40.280 unlike AU, I don't think John Haliburt and ty Reese's 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.720 dad called Steve Kerr and flipped out on him. You know, 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.800 That's that's what happens in AAU is that dad calls 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.680 and little little Timmy didn't play, and hey, you start 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:51.800 little Timmy next game, or maybe you won't get the 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.480 fund in for your jerseys next year, so Steve doesn't 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:55.200 have to worry about that. 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.160 And like you said, it's the hardest shit, the hardest shit, 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:00.240 and you're like or the or the hey my kid 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:01.160 came to every practice. 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:03.240 Yeah, like Yeah, your kid's not as good as you 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:03.679 other kid. 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.080 He needs five times more practices than we actually hold. 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:08.360 His four or your kid. 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:10.280 Every time he came in, he shot the ball, you know, 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.280 because he is you know, he actually made it worse 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.480 and made it made it, made it better. Speaking of which, uh, 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.160 how how close in age your same age is, tyres 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:20.560 aren't you? 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:24.000 Yeah? Tyrese and I grew up playing in the same 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:27.800 conference in Northeast Wisconsin high school basketball. You can, uh 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:28.760 if you even believe that? 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:31.480 Did you did you see this? Did you know this 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:32.920 was was coming from him? 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.480 No? And I would tell him that too, And I 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.160 think that's what he'd probably smile when he heard me 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:42.800 say no. If anybody knew that he had this level 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:46.640 of capability was him and only him, especially when he 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.320 was young in high school. He was super lanky, he 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:53.600 was kind of positionless. His shot was funky, but you know, 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:57.000 it went in just like it it does now, And 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:00.320 he knew that but didn't care like that was theful 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.480 thing about Tyreese. The best thing about Tyreee is not 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.800 like the level of basketball player he is. The level 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.360 of human being that man is is unbelievable. 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.520 He's always like, like me, give me example. 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:15.080 Yeah, so, like, I don't think I've ever seen him 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.160 not smile during a game of basketball, and we were 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:20.200 in some of the most heated competitive games high school 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:24.440 games in the area. I don't have a specific example, 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.559 but oh, actually I do. So I had a nonprofit 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.760 organization that we tried to help out some families. We're 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:33.600 going to do another one here soon in Wisconsin, and 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:36.880 it was a skills clinic for little kids, and we're 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:40.080 going to raise money all this stuff. The first person 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.280 I called was Tyrese Alberton because at the time, like 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:46.160 I was close with him, he was a big name. 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:47.839 He was starting to kind of gain momentum towards the 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.079 end of his high school career, and he was all in, 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:52.320 Like he was like, you can take my whole Saturday Sunday, 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.800 let's go do this thing. Ended up raising over like 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:58.320 fifty grand as some high schoolers just for a family 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.520 that was in need. So that's one one example of Tyres. 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.880 But yeah, he was unbelievable, especially when he got to 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.360 the right spot at Iowa State. Like that was the 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:11.560 decision maker that in USA basketball took him to a 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:13.840 completely different level. He was Gatoraye Player of the Year 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:15.880 in the state. He was really good. Not trying to 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:20.480 discredit his high school career, but the Olympics, like I don't. 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.080 I don't think anybody from our area when he was 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:26.040 a sophomore, and I think Tyree would agree, would say 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:29.280 that's an Olympic basketball player right there. He's a top 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:32.560 you know, twenty guy in the world, like I never 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.280 not at that time, not at that time. 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:38.840 It's the whole thing is fascinating. Okay. 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.600 So, and I want to circle back to your story 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:44.200 as well, but just on Ontario. 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:46.120 So when you you guys are exact same year in 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:46.960 high school, correct? 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:48.040 Correct? Yep? 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:52.480 Okay, So, who was at Marquette as their point guard? 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:55.240 Went on visit? I think Howard was that towards the 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:56.000 end of my career. 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.760 Marcus Howard not because then you're a college career, high 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.560 school career, my high school career, right, So Marcus Howards 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.680 is starting point guard, so and he's not going he 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:10.840 wasn't going anywhere, right And then do Wisconsin offer you both? 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:16.520 Oh? Good question on tyresee, Wisconsin did all not offer me? 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.680 And I committed after my sophomore year, going into my 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:23.000 junior so they did not offer me. 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:24.760 Why so early? 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.840 You know what, I was always like a super impulsive kid, 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:32.000 like I think this is one of the ways, like 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:36.480 the whole prefrontal cortex thing like seven years ago is 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:40.440 not that far from me, but completely different processing system 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:44.920 up top. Now I had a big twelve offer. I 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.400 was stoked about it. All I could think about was 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.720 I could get to play Kansas. I didn't think about, Hey, 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.160 you know they're a defensive minded program, right, and you 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.760 don't play defense that well, if at all, in high school, right, 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:01.400 So all I could think about was the level and 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.320 the lights and all that stuff. And I always tell 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:08.040 people like I was going to make it fit. Every 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:09.680 recruit we talked to on the phone is like, oh, 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.560 what are you looking for? I'm looking for the right fit. Well, 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.640 the problem is when you're sixteen and seventeen and you're 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:18.160 a square peg in West Virginia's a round hole, you're 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:22.360 so stubborn. I'm so call it egotistical. I'm like, I'll 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:24.480 make it work, I'll make it fit. And it did it, 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:28.040 you know so I just made a very quick and 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.480 rash decision, but maybe it was the best one. I 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:35.120 met my fiance. I have lifelong friends and relationships in 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.640 West Virginia. I'll go back to Morgantown whenever I can. 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.600 My first job was there, Like sure, from a plane perspective, 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.440 horrible idea. I can admit that now, and I tell 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:47.280 Hugs to his face. Pretty sure I have told him 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.520 at some point. But I love him to death, and 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:54.520 I love the city to death. And I'm here where 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:56.400 I am now. So that was kind of the decision. 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.240 Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk line up 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.320 in the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:07.760 Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:11.560 to listen live. Did you did you play any other 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:13.359 sports growing up? Because I know you hate baseball. You 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:14.680 made that abundantly clear. 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:17.760 You have no time for baseball. Do you play anything 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:18.400 else going up? 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:21.600 Nobody has time for baseball? Like that's the biggest thing, 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.760 is the time, contrade. So I played little league baseball. 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.920 Didn't love the whole like you know, thirty five percent 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:32.119 is good. I was crying a lot, throwing stuff. Remember 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:35.960 prefrontal cortex not all the way there yet, So quit baseball. 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:41.120 Stuck with football through Pop Warner got reprimanded and Pop 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:44.280 Warner had a meeting with the commissioner for swearing at 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:46.360 that age. Wasn't okay. 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.120 I thought, what age? 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.679 What is Pop Warner? I would have been probably like 0:17:55.359 --> 0:18:00.040 eight eight ish seven eight nine, But I mean, I 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.600 mean just bad routes and lack of communication among our 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:05.480 whole group. And you know, when we got back in 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:06.800 the huddle, I'd let people have. 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:12.639 It reprimanded by the commissioner. I played, I played, it 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:14.840 was it was junior American. I played Pop Warner just 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:15.639 my eighth grade year. 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:18.240 I played all growing up. I love football. 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:23.880 What position, mostly quarterback, a little running back. My first 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:26.840 year though, playing when I was seven, I played on 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.879 the Orange Raiders the eighties, and I played like I 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.280 was like the littlest kind of team. I played like noseguard, 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.920 and literally that my job was like the ball was 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.760 snapped and I would even try and dive underneath the 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:42.240 legs of the center to tackle the quarterback to just 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.119 get a foot, you know, just kind of like sneak 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:44.480 in there. 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.160 And I never got the ball. 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:49.640 And then my second year, I was swear to god, 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:50.760 I got pictures to back it up. 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:54.240 I was on the Orange Packers and I was the 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.640 I was the quarterback and it was awesome. I got named. 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:01.200 Larry Powers was my coach and the seven to eight 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:04.520 year olds, which is this youngest division. They always played 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:08.120 the nine AM games. Nine AM games had eight AM wayans, 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:10.639 so he'd pick me up from my house. This is 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.399 probably so my dad was either still coaching or they 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.560 had just gotten fought when. It's probably the year they 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:22.360 goten fired at at Yeah, it was probably the year 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:24.119 they got fired at Lombey State, so he went up 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:25.960 to Oregon State for a year. I was like a 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:29.399 volunteer assistant, so I didn't you know. My mom had 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:32.400 two other kids at home, and Larry Powers would pick 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:34.640 me up at seven o'clock. We go to the donut shop, 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:38.080 have donuts and talk game plan strategy, and then we 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:40.720 go to the weigh ins and then play. And then 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:42.520 I'd sit around the football field all day and then 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:44.760 wait for my brother to show up. My brother played 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:46.960 in a later game, watching cheer for his game, and 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:48.480 then my mom would takes all home where we'd go 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:48.840 to like a. 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:51.200 Pizza party, you know, all that kind of stuff. So 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:53.560