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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 3: We've been doing all ball now for like five years.

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Speaker 3: I even have players like Dude, I listen to all Ball.

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Speaker 1: He continues on, there's a podcast for that as well.

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Speaker 3: A lot going on in international hoops, not as much

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Speaker 3: NBA hoops, and obviously some in college hoops.

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Speaker 4: I'll just kind of.

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Speaker 1: Give you an update of where I am, where Green

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Speaker 1: Bay hoops is. We have.

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Speaker 3: Twelve twelve committed scholarship players, nine of whom are on campus,

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Speaker 3: as well, and it's been fascinating. You know, do I

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Speaker 3: I don't have experience, but I do have a lot

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Speaker 3: trying to kind of mold that and matriculate it towards

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Speaker 3: getting getting it ready for November fourth, when we play

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Speaker 3: really interesting, right Like people tell you all the time

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Speaker 3: the challenges of being a college basketball coach.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've heard different ratios.

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Speaker 3: Seventy five percent is not coaching, ninety percent is not coaching.

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Speaker 3: I would say it's in the sixty percent is not coaching.

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Speaker 3: But again, what I feel like is if you as

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Speaker 1: It's the managing their time.

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Speaker 3: It's the getting them, you know, blending the how much

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Speaker 3: And then how do we blend it with school as well?

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Speaker 3: But there is definitely challenges at this level because you

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Speaker 3: Now he does go to bed early, which I don't

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Speaker 3: let's welcome in. He's Jordan McCabe. We'll talk about Jay

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Speaker 3: He's also one of my assistant coaches and he's he's

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Speaker 3: Jordan McCabe joins me, and I just want to get

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Speaker 3: He wasn't first team All NBA's team didn't win an

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Speaker 3: about as they dominate South Sudan. Let me just first

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Speaker 4: So I think there's two ends of every spectrum, right,

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Speaker 3: My guys for Maccabi USA with Jason Tatum and Terry's

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Speaker 3: They're of similar competent talent levels, and you have forty

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Speaker 3: everybody's caught us, You're an idiot. No one blames the players,

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Speaker 3: A challenge for us going forward, going to your bench

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Speaker 4: Nobody has time for baseball? Like that's the biggest thing,

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Speaker 4: was once again ten years old, so I walked, am

436
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Speaker 4: I allowed to wear on here? No? I walked my guess.

437
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 4: I walked my happ yess to the garage and I

438
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 4: sat on those like two steps right by the garage door,

439
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 4: and I called her. But I called her and I said, look,

440
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 4: it's not you, it's me, and I need all the

441
00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,400
Speaker 4: time I can get. The old saying I I need

442
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 4: to just focus on basketball. I don't have time for

443
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 4: a relationship. So I killed it right there, ten years old,

444
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 4: at ten at ten, and then I watched like all

445
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 4: the Rocky movies that night and I was ready to

446
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 4: roll in the morning.

447
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 1: That's awesome. That's awesome.

448
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting because I I'm trying to think

449
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 3: and I remember when I went all in on basketball.

450
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 3: It wasn't It wasn't until like I was right before

451
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,199
Speaker 3: high school my dad did was I mean, obviously I

452
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 3: stayed back. I held back in eighth grade and years.

453
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 4: Did you reclass too? Yeah, I didn't know that I

454
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Speaker 4: did a seventh grade.

455
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like my first eighth grade year was such

456
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 3: a fucking disaster because like they told me, I was

457
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 3: holding back, right, So.

458
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 1: You know, I literally like never went to school.

459
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 4: So all your friends went to high school and you.

460
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 3: This is the first so the first year, it wasn't

461
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 3: the first year I was with. It's like a confluence

462
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 3: of things, right, So this eighth grade year, I was

463
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 3: a lot like my son, although he's still has he's

464
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 3: still just now starting to grow, whereas some five feet

465
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 3: tall eighth grade, you know, not a hair on my body,

466
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 3: and you know, all my friends are growing and I'm

467
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 3: already being told I'm staying back. You know, And in California,

468
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 3: there is no real middle school sports.

469
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: Like we didn't even have a gym. We all the

470
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 1: middle school teams played outside.

471
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Speaker 3: It was so bad, you know, Like I was my

472
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 3: my favorite story, which is a terrible story, but it's

473
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 3: still a favorite one, which is at the end of

474
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 3: the first semester, I had awful grades.

475
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 1: And the report cards used.

476
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 3: To come in the mail and they had like the

477
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,959
Speaker 3: I don't know what that that that black ink paper

478
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 3: on one side and then you peel it. Often than

479
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 3: the grades be right there. So what we found out

480
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 3: you could do is if you got your report card early,

481
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 3: you could open up and you could just take a

482
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 3: simple raser and erase the grades. And then and I

483
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 3: know you've probably never seen when you're life, there is

484
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 3: something called a typewriter, okay, and you could put that

485
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 3: thin layer of paper back down, roll in the typewriter

486
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 3: and type in. You put dots on the paper where

487
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 3: you needed to type, and you could type in other grades.

488
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 3: So like I wasn't greedy, I didn't put straight a's,

489
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 3: but I definitely changed my grades to be way better. Right,

490
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 3: So my first semester I probably put down I had

491
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 3: like three a's, two b's in a.

492
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Speaker 1: Seat, you know. So second semester I get in trouble.

493
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: I did I did some I was. I kept going

494
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 1: to the bathroom in the teacher's bathroom, and.

495
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 3: Like, again, my son just graduated from this middle school,

496
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 3: and the juxtaposition of bathrooms is like it was fucking gross.

497
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 3: And so I kept like sneaking into the teacher's lounge bathroom,

498
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 3: going to the bathroom, you know, and getting out of there.

499
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 3: And I kept getting among other things, my grades were bad,

500
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 3: my attitude wasn't good, and I was going and crap

501
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 3: at wherever I wanted to crap, right, So they called

502
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 3: my mom into the the vice principal's office and she's like,

503
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 3: I don't understand.

504
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: He's got good grades. He's got They're like, what are

505
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: you talking about.

506
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 3: He's like, well, he's you know, he's got he's got

507
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 3: one C that we're you know, we talked about. But

508
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 3: he's got all a's and b's. Missus Gottlieb, here's your

509
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 3: son's grades. And she was like what And.

510
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got the ass whooping of my life.

511
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 3: But there was like a month there where they didn't know,

512
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 3: maybe even two months there where they didn't know. And

513
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 3: I was like, this is the best ever. This is

514
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 3: I don't have to do shit. I'm doing school next year.

515
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 3: So anyway, so I held back, and then the next

516
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 3: year I played with a team called b ball in

517
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 3: LA and named Sam Minor was the coach, and my

518
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 3: dad would take me up to stay mister Minor's house,

519
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 3: drop me off on Mondays and Wednesdays, I believe, and

520
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,719
Speaker 3: I would do my homework at his house with his family,

521
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 3: have dinner, and then we'd go to basketball practice, and

522
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 3: you know, I was the only white guy whatever.

523
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: His family was incredibly kind.

524
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 3: And then I think it was Wednesday nights, we'd play

525
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 3: a game in an LA like city, like middle school

526
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 3: level league, and I really started to like love it.

527
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 3: I was still playing baseball, I played tennis, I played

528
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 3: football as well, and so we got ready for high

529
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: school and I was starting to get pretty good and

530
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 3: my dad was like, okay, like you want to do this.

531
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, we really want to do.

532
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 3: This, and so we took out a I'm still searching

533
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 3: for it because my mom is a bit of a

534
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 3: pack ratch keeps everything, so it exists somewhere in her house,

535
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 3: which is a like a red spiral notebook. And I'll

536
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 3: never forget this because in order for me to go

537
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 3: to Tustin High school. We had to rent an apartment

538
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 3: in Testin, even though we lived in Orange. He was

539
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 3: like ten minutes part. So we got this apartment. It's

540
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 3: like a five minute walk to Tutin High School. And

541
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: we're sitting there and he's like, write down your goals

542
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 3: and I was like, what do you mean. He's like,

543
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 3: write down what you want to accomplish. And I wrote

544
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: down like everything I want to accomplish, and he's like,

545
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 3: is that everything.

546
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, that's what I want to do. Say, okay,

547
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: turn the page. Now, let's write down how we want

548
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: to do it.

549
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 3: And you know, like from that moment forward, it just

550
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 3: my whole brain kind of changed. And I was I

551
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 3: was fifteen, and I was solely focused on becoming the

552
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 3: best player in Orange County, which I became, becoming a

553
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 3: high school American, which I became playing in a high

554
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 3: major level, which I did. I wanted to play on

555
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 3: TV for some reason, like everybody plays on TV. But

556
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 3: again back then, that was the thing, like I want

557
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 3: like dick by Taw to call one of my games.

558
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 3: I want to have my number of times, which it was,

559
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 3: and I wanted to play. I want to play in

560
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 3: the NBA I want to play in a Final four

561
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 3: playing in the NBA, and then I want to broadcast basketball,

562
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 3: and I want to coach vision I and I have

563
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 3: literally checked every box except for playing in the Final

564
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 3: four and playing the NBA. So but it's interesting, right

565
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 3: because a lot like Tyresee and again like I don't

566
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 3: profess to have had the career Tyrese had and you

567
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 3: don't profess to as well. But it's amazing to me

568
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 3: on how I think people lose track of, like for me,

569
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 3: regards whether I got this job or whether I I

570
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 3: broadcast to the level that I've been on a broadcast,

571
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: Like just the fact that I found that motivation that

572
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 3: got me to college, that made me lifelong friends, Why

573
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: are you talking about West Virginia right? Like Oklahoma State

574
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 3: is still that's my place, that's my heart. You know,

575
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 3: changed my life. And I think that we do lose

576
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 3: track of what the process of deciding you want something

577
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: does for, especially for young guys, because we're all kind

578
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 3: of scattered and we all need purpose and focus and

579
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 3: and you learned so much along the way, right, you know,

580
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 3: learned so much along the way. So wait, you were

581
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: in Seattle. Take me to where you lived before you

582
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 3: got to Kakanna.

583
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 4: So I was born in Wisconsin. We moved to North Augusta,

584
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 4: South Carolina. My dad worked for Kimberly Clark. Before I

585
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 4: say this preface by not saying he's not in the military,

586
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 4: because it kind of sounds like we bounced around like

587
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 4: he was North Augusta, South Carolina. Then we moved to Marinet,

588
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 4: just on the border of the up in Wisconsin. And uh,

589
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 4: these each stint is like a few years, you know,

590
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 4: a handful, never never anywhere for more than five except

591
00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,239
Speaker 4: for Wisconsin, Marinette, you know, the Fox Cities again, and

592
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 4: then out to Seattle. We you know, we did two

593
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 4: and a half years in Seattle, and then that was

594
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 4: around what was it, fifth through seventh grade, Yeah, fifth

595
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 4: through seventh grade in Seattle, and then I did seventh

596
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 4: grade again, which is when I was you know, held

597
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 4: back seventh grade again when I got back to Wisconsin,

598
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 4: which was a weird transition for a kid at that age,

599
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 4: as you as you know. And then I stayed from

600
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 4: you know, seventh grade all the way through my high

601
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 4: school career here in Wisconsin, then West Virginia to Vegas,

602
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 4: back to West Virginia. Now to Wisconsin, so traveled a

603
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 4: little bit at this point.

604
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, how are you making friends?

605
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 4: Probably good? Probably too good. When I was young and

606
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 4: in school, because I think that was where my main

607
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 4: focus was and not in school, we had a sounds

608
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 4: like we had a very similar school experience. I didn't

609
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 4: have a typewriter ever, and by the time I was

610
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 4: in college, I had chat GPT, which was it's a

611
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 4: little bit more efficient than a typewriter. They can talk

612
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 4: to you. Uh So we definitely had a similar experience.

613
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 4: But I was good at making friends.

614
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: And here's a honest question, okay, and like we deal

615
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: with this. We're gonna deal with this.

616
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: With our players. You and I talked about chat GPT. Okay,

617
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 3: do you know anybody anybody? I know one person, unequivocally

618
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 3: I know who did who never ever cheated ever?

619
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: Do you know anybody who never cheated.

620
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 4: For my teammates in the high school or in college.

621
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 4: I'd like to plead the fifth but no, no, I don't.

622
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 4: I don't. It's crazy, right, well, no, hold on, there's

623
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 4: varying degrees, right, so great degrees like like out and

624
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 4: now cheating. Yeah, yeah, if you are copying and pasting

625
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 4: an entire thing from chat GPT into a paper and

626
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 4: submitting it. That's cheating, that's wrong. But like Olivia would

627
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 4: get upset. What I'm serious. Olivia would get upset because

628
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 4: if I would talk to chat GPT about this book

629
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 4: that I definitely did not read, and I had a

630
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 4: day to turn a paper in, so I'd ask you, like,

631
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 4: give me the cliff Notes. Now, let's talk about how

632
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 4: it applies to the real world now, okay, okay.

633
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: And then our toss it does that. I had no idea.

634
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 4: Oh man, I don't think you really realized how the

635
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 4: power of this thing.

636
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 3: No, I mean I realized it, but don't realize it

637
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 3: right Like we had We literally had a book that

638
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: you had to buy called cliff Notes, and I always

639
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 3: just found it stupid, Like, wait, so I don't read

640
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: a book, but I have to read a book about

641
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 3: a book.

642
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: I didn't read. Like that, that doesn't just tell me

643
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: what it's about.

644
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 4: Glypt Notes was a physical book, yes, before it was

645
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 4: a website.

646
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: Yes, it was a yellow book.

647
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 4: Wow, typewriters, cliff Notes was a book. I'm learning.

648
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: We had maps too.

649
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 3: We have these physical things you'd open up called a map,

650
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: I mean and that's the great the greatest, the greatest

651
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 3: map ever was called a What the fuck is that called?

652
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: It's in LA.

653
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: It's uh that people in southern California had, which were amazing,

654
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: that every physically had. Now like there's no business for

655
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 3: It's like phone books, Like did you ever have to

656
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 3: use a phone book?

657
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 4: I've seen a phone book? And I've seen uh, map

658
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 4: Quest staple all the papers together.

659
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: No, not before map Quest was I know?

660
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 4: And then I've seen the garment, the first GPS is

661
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 4: I've seen the solo GPS that you did a suction

662
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 4: cup to the to the to the windshield. But yes,

663
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 4: I've seen a notebook.

664
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So you're ten and you decide I'm all in.

665
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: When you're back in Wisconsin, you're getting ready for high school.

666
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: You're a freshman. How big are you?

667
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 4: Well, hold back freshman? I was probably five ten, about nine?

668
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: Okay, And did you play varsity your freshman year?

669
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 4: I did? Yep, yep. Start Like what's that?

670
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,959
Speaker 1: What were you like as a player your freshman year?

671
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 4: Freshman year? I was terrified, completely, you know, shell shocked

672
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 4: and like not sure if I could do it. I

673
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 4: think I remember our first game, our first game. Ever,

674
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 4: we played down in Milwaukee, I believe, and just didn't

675
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 4: play well, you know, had the whole thought process of

676
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 4: like I'm not good enough to do this, like I'm

677
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 4: not at this level, And spent kind of the whole

678
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 4: freshman year just figuring it out, like single digit average score,

679
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 4: decent distributor, but young, making a lot of dumb mistakes.

680
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 4: And I just had a coach who was like, you know,

681
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 4: like mckill up with with Curry, like just let them

682
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 4: let him figure it out, right, instead of the natural

683
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 4: instinct of the coaches just like get them out of

684
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 4: the game. So coach Shallow was amazing for me at Takana.

685
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 4: But that was my freshman year just figuring it out.

686
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 4: And then sophomore year is when when we hit a

687
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 4: little bit of a launch pad there.

688
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

689
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 3: So my freshman year I played for a guy named

690
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 3: Tom McCluskey Penn State, and they were coming off of

691
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 3: state championship and the best player was a guy named

692
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 3: David Bielstein, who was a tremendous, tremendous high school player.

693
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 3: And so when I came aboard, they still had like

694
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 3: three guys and they were all perimeter players from the

695
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 3: state championship team, but they were all kind of secondary

696
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 3: tertiary Optionsjenshymore was our best player. He was going to TCU.

697
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: But the first game, we're getting ready to play in

698
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 3: the Tribuco Hills Tournament, and I like, to.

699
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: This day, I will die on this hill.

700
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 3: And mccluskoll watched this at some point he just retired

701
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 3: from teaching and coaching.

702
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: That he should have.

703
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: Played me more that year, just because not just it

704
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 3: would have helped me in the future, but I think

705
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 3: I could have helped. We lost, like in the semi

706
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 3: finals of I think we lost to camer Murray and

707
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 3: Adam Jacobson Seem and Glendora we lost to anyway. But

708
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 3: my first game, I remember, I was I played varsity

709
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 3: and JV all summer and was we because you know,

710
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 3: I didn't know anybody, and I transferred into the school.

711
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 3: And at that time most public schools in California, guys

712
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 3: didn't really transfer in.

713
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: Maybe for football they did, but not for basketball.

714
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 3: You either went to Modern Day if you're really good,

715
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 3: or maybe one of the other private schools otherwise, or

716
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: you just sucked it up and went to your high school.

717
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: So I didn't know a soul. Most of those guys,

718
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 3: they weren't really in the AAU world, which I was,

719
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: and so I didn't grow up playing with any of

720
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: these guys, didn't know anybody. So I was kind of

721
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 3: toggling between both. And I'll never forget our we played.

722
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: We played in the Tribuca Hills Tournament, and I think

723
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 3: we might have played Tribuca the first night. I can't remember,

724
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 3: but I just remember like we're getting two things. One

725
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: I got my jersey the day of the game, which

726
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 3: was awesome, and I remember getting it and going back

727
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 3: to that same apartment which I talked about and laying

728
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 3: it on the bed and just like looking at it

729
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 3: and freaking the fuck out. And it was terrible number

730
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 3: number thirty one, which is my brother's number, which is

731
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 3: just I have I still I have to have him

732
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: on the pod to explain why he chose thirty one,

733
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: terrible basketball number. But it was thirty one, and I'm

734
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: like staring at it and putting it on and looking

735
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 3: in the mirror and trying to flex my muscles. I'm

736
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: like five nine buck twenty right. And and then I

737
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 3: come back to the gym before getting ready to get

738
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 3: on the bus and they were like, hey, I think

739
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 3: you're starting tonight, Like what And what had happened was

740
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 3: the day before the night before they we had two

741
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 3: guys arrested and our two starting wings were arrested. They

742
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: were at a party and it got broken up and

743
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: they like refused to leave, like stupid shit, got mouthed

744
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 3: with a cop, got thrown into the clink.

745
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: And so we go.

746
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 3: We play in this tournament, and I'm fucking tight, right,

747
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 3: And we had a guy named Derrick Roach, and we

748
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 3: basically ran every play for Derreck Roach, and we were

749
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 3: you know, they were suspended the first two tournaments. And

750
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 3: so I played a ton and you know, kind of

751
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 3: like a little bit like college, like kind of scared

752
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: to shoot, just run the team whatever.

753
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: And every time we take the court, our fans would be.

754
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 3: Like free more Reice, Free more Reese because he was

755
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 3: in jail.

756
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: It was amazing.

757
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: It was at that moment that I learned about, you know,

758
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 3: always stay ready, to be ready, you know, and and uh,

759
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: and then I played mostly JV and that was really

760
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 3: good for me because otherwise I never would have looked

761
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 3: at the basket with varsity, you know, And in JV,

762
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: I just tried to fucking score every time I got

763
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 3: the ball, which I needed because with my dad's AU teams,

764
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 3: he always had such good talent that I didn't really

765
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 3: need to do shit except for the team because he

766
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: was like kind of old school, traditional point guard type coach. So,

767
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: uh yeah, that's that's that's fascinating. So when did it

768
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 3: take off? When did you sort of like when did

769
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 3: it blow up?

770
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 4: Well, I mean it was it was gradual and it

771
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 4: was kind of twofold. When you talk about takeoff, Like

772
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 4: my sophomore year, I definitely took a step. And the

773
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 4: big thing was is like during my development. I believe

774
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 4: it was between my freshman and sophomore year during an

775
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 4: AAU event. We were playing a Chicago team and a

776
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 4: guy that I still know to this day. His name

777
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 4: is Scott and he worked for Ball's Life. Happened to

778
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 4: be watching somebody else. He was covering just Chicago high

779
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 4: school basketball with his camera and Ball's Life was small,

780
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 4: and anyways, he filmed the game and I knew he

781
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 4: was there. I wasn't stupid. I saw it, and I

782
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 4: you know, I did a little bit more than I

783
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 4: probably needed to on most plays, just with the handle

784
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 4: and you know, passing and just the extra shit. Right.

785
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 4: I did it and I had fun doing it. Didn't

786
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 4: think anything would come out of it. And then that

787
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 4: video went out and it did really well, and then

788
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 4: videos just followed behind and that now you know, it

789
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 4: kind of became every tournament there was more and more

790
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 4: cameras over time popped up this whole, this whole movement

791
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 4: of like mixtape basketball was growing as I was just

792
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 4: kind of hitting my stride. This was like during the

793
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 4: Austin Rivers, Like I think I've watched Austin Rivers Ball's

794
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 4: life or Whop mixtape actually sorry, his who mixtape probably

795
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 4: a thousand times, just like every other kid my age.

796
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 4: So that culture was building and I was hitting my stride.

797
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 4: So that's when the social media side of stuff really

798
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 4: started to take off. But from the on the court stuff,

799
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 4: like I said in the beginning, I didn't really take

800
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 4: a step until I went to Jason Otter. Like I

801
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 4: could handle the ball, stationary dribbling, I could do all

802
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 4: that stuff. I couldn't do any sort of game application

803
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 4: stuff until I met Jason. Like that's just what it was.

804
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 4: And I think I met him when I was ten

805
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 4: or eleven. But it took and he told me, he

806
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 4: was like, it is gonna take years for you to

807
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 4: get to a point where you even got a shot

808
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 4: at this right. So that was kind of the playing.

809
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: Did you play a lot of pickup?

810
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah. My dad in Seattle would drop me off

811
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 4: at a twenty four hour fitness and say I'll see

812
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 4: you at eight and it was like, you know, three o'clock.

813
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 4: So and he was like playing with all the older guys.

814
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 4: At the time, I was in middle school.

815
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 1: So here's good, dude. You know, underwear, but the air there,

816
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: the flow is fucking good.

817
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 4: So in middle school I spent half my time of

818
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 4: twenty four hours. If I was at twenty four our

819
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 4: fitness for five hours, two and a half was walking

820
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 4: around the gym, probably trying to flirt with girls that

821
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 4: were way too old for me. The other half was

822
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 4: in the gym playing against guys who were also way

823
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 4: too old for me to be playing with and they

824
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 4: would bust my ass. So that was my That was.

825
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: My world was. We had a place called Raquetball World. Rocket.

826
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 3: Here's what's amazing about Rackball World. There were only two locations.

827
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 3: One was in Santa Ana, one was in Fullerton, My

828
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: best friend growing up was Miles Simon. Miles grew up

829
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 3: playing at the Fullerton One. I grew up playing at

830
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 3: the sant Ana One. Literally like ships, we were friends.

831
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,479
Speaker 3: We're like we became friends like fifth grade we started

832
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 3: playing together. Sixth grade we started like sleepovers and everything whenever.

833
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 3: And I think, like I can count on one hand

834
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 3: how many times I went to his rackball world. I

835
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: don't think he ever went to mine. And the courts

836
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: were side. We played sideways, and it might have been

837
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 3: four on four. And I was just that fucking annoying

838
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 3: little kid that would just sit up there and try

839
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: and play ball. And then my dad would be playing

840
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: racktball and I go downstairs and watch him, and I

841
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 3: go to the stack bar or whatever. I bullshit around

842
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 3: and come back and play. It was kind of same thing,

843
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 3: same thing.

844
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 2: How do we?

845
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: How do we get?

846
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess twenty four now, one of the

847
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 3: twenty four is great because there's a gym everywhere with those.

848
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: Things and there's always some level of basketball in it.

849
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 3: But twenty four is bad because I think it's killed

850
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: any sort of outside playground basketball, Like it just doesn't

851
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 3: happen anymore.

852
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't. I was blessed. My grandpa has a

853
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 4: full court in his backyard, like at one point, it's

854
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 4: right down the street and Kakano, I'll take you over

855
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 4: to see it. It's really cool. And yeah, I played

856
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 4: out there all the time when I was when I

857
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 4: was really young. But yeah, the whole like playground culture

858
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 4: is gone, which is sad because that was like, you know,

859
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 4: also parallel to the end one culture in the street

860
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 4: ball and all that was huge for the game of basketball.

861
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 4: Moved it forward. But yeah, definitely definitely killed it, you know,

862
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 4: but it's better twenty four fitnesses, a real gym with

863
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 4: real hardwood, with an ac like you know, it's better

864
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 4: in some ways. You know, playing outside is cooler. But yeah,

865
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 4: my dad would just drop me off, kick me out

866
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 4: of the car and say see you, you know, for dinner,

867
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 4: and we.

868
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: Did that at Mile Square Park as well.

869
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 3: Or my dad would drop me off, helped me get

870
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 3: in the first game, and then you give me five bucks.

871
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 3: And there's something called a payphone, and if you really

872
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 3: needed him, you could call collect and then he wouldn't

873
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: accept and then they call you back at that number

874
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 3: or whatever, or they come get you. But for the

875
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: most part, they never came in. I don't remember ever

876
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 3: getting picked up early. I remember wasting a lot of

877
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 3: saturdays just sitting around there waiting for a game whatever,

878
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 3: and no phone, right, like, no phone, just occupying yourself,

879
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 3: just shooting hoops or going and hopping in hopping in games.

880
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 3: Last thing, and then we'll I want to get to

881
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 3: next one. We'll get to your college career, and then

882
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 3: we'll get to coaching. But if you had a kid

883
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 3: getting ready for high school, Yeah, you get a kid

884
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: get ready for high school, how do you balance, Like

885
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 3: we're in getting into August, this will drop in August.

886
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 3: You have August, and most high school start end of

887
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 3: August early September. Obviously we know when the season gets going.

888
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 3: How would you balance workouts now with pickup ball now

889
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 3: as you're getting ready for a high school season.

890
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a it's a great question. I think it

891
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 4: depends on like the agent level obviously of the kid,

892
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 4: but from like a general standpoint, kids don't play enough.

893
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 4: I think this conversation has been had a number of times.

894
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 4: But I do also think, like you know, getting ten

895
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 4: to play pickup is tough in some small towns. It's

896
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 4: just a fact, like, especially nowadays with a million other

897
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 4: options of freaking Fortnite college football video games, girls, Like,

898
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 4: there's a lot of other options for these guys, and

899
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 4: getting ten to play pick up at a high level

900
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 4: is tough. So what I've really started to do now

901
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 4: and what I would suggest that high school kids, cause

902
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 4: you might not be able to find ten, you can

903
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 4: probably find two or three or four and play small

904
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 4: sided one on one games. And I was just talking

905
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 4: to a trainer who trains Hyjerome and Max Shrews and

906
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 4: some guys in Chicago, and that's what they do, is like,

907
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 4: we'll do a ton of skill and this is what

908
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 4: we're doing with our groups here at Green Bay is

909
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 4: like a ton of skill work. Early, we'll do game

910
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 4: application on top of that skill, and then at the

911
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 4: end for fifteen to twenty minutes, like you know, a

912
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 4: third of your workout should be live reads because like

913
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 4: everybody knows a guy who can do drills at a

914
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 4: different level than everybody else. He doesn't miss, it's clean,

915
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 4: it's crisp, he's got rhythm, and then you throw a

916
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 4: body in front of him and he loses his damn

917
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 4: mind because he's just not making those live reeds enough

918
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 4: and he doesn't have any sort of creativity. He has

919
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 4: the rigidity of skill development and drill work and that's it.

920
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 4: And that's great if that's what you're trying to do.

921
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 4: But we're trying to play basketball, so I would say

922
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 4: you threw a number on it just for fun. Thirty

923
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 4: percent of your workout should be live reps against somebody

924
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 4: whoever you can get to just play dummy d You know,

925
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 4: your younger brother hears ten bucks guard me at the

926
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 4: end of this workout and rebound the rest like that's

927
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 4: huge because kids nowadays do so many drills. Because here's

928
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 4: the great thing about drills. Nobody freaking wins or loses

929
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 4: a drill and it doesn't hurt as bad. But if

930
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 4: you play one egos getting bruised. Somebody says and they

931
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 4: hate it. I hated it. There's definitely points, you know

932
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 4: where I hated that, that confrontation and competition. But it's

933
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 4: just like any other muscle. If you if you flex

934
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 4: it enough, by the time you get in the game,

935
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 4: you're not as afraid of losing as the guy across

936
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 4: from you, and that gives you ample more opportunity to win.

937
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 4: This game or win the matchup or whatever. But you

938
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 4: got to play. You have to play.

939
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 3: That's it for for for part one. Jordan McCabe also

940
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 3: known as J five. Now are we not doing the

941
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 3: J five thing anymore? I mean, do we want to

942
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 3: put that to bed? Do you want to continue?

943
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 4: I think we put it to bed. J five was

944
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:48,479
Speaker 4: definitely the playing name I do like Coach Archibald calls

945
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 4: me Mac, and my grandpa was his nickname was Mac.

946
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 4: So if I'm going to have a nickname, coach Mack

947
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 4: is fine, or just Jordan works as well.

948
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: You don't want to be called J five at all.

949
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 4: No, No, it's like a player tag, you know.

950
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: I know, but there's still like a rep to it,

951
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 3: kind of cool, Like if I had some shit like that,

952
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 3: I would I would Yeah.

953
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 4: All right, I mean you might be right, we can

954
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 4: we can keep this.

955
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 3: Only this is a lot like Eric Sanders, whose nickname

956
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 3: is eighth grade, right, like it's one of the great

957
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 3: nicknames of all time.

958
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I don't be eighth grade anymore.

959
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: Like, bro, if I had a nickname as good as

960
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: eighth grade, why would I didch eighth grade?

961
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 4: We talked about transitioning in the beginning of the show.

962
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 4: Everybody's got a transition, right.

963
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: We did, we did.

964
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 3: It's so it Honestly, the super weird thing is being

965
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 3: called coach all the time. And as you know, Arch

966
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 3: has a tendency to say the word coach a lot,

967
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 3: like I think he'd leave the country a coach. Coach, coach,

968
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 3: coach that.

969
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: Was that was really good coach, which I was really.

970
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 3: Good coach, I dude, I just that's a weird That's

971
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 3: a weird transition for me.

972
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 4: I just imagine being twenty five and a twenty three

973
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 4: year old COVID senior having to call you coach, which

974
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 4: was my position last year. That's a weird one. That

975
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 4: feels really weird. No matter how you slice it, it's weird. Weird.

976
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 3: That is weird and weird has been a big talking

977
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 3: point this week. All right, that's it for me and

978
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 3: Jordan McKay Part one. We'll do obviously complete kind of

979
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 3: his story and more. Yaki Yak on hoops throughout the year.

980
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 3: Make sure you follow him on Instagram, but most of

981
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 3: you already followed him on Instagram in the meantime, reminded

982
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 3: the Doug Gottlieb Show airs daily three to five eastern

983
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 3: twelve two Pacific on iHeartRadio, Foxsports Radio dot Com. There's

984
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 3: a podcast for that as well, and for this edition,

985
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 3: I'm Doug Gotlieb.

986
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: He's Jordan McKay. This is all bo