Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 4: Done done, Happy New Year, and thanks for listening to
Speaker 4: That's Messed Up an svupod.
Speaker 3: I am Lisa Trigger.
Speaker 1: And I am Kara Klank. Oh my god, Lisa, we
Speaker 1: did it. We are done with twenty twenty, the worst
Speaker 1: year of all time, and I'm so excited for what
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one is going to bring me too.
Speaker 2: I actually have something to bring up that I've learned,
Speaker 2: and I'm kind of shy and you probably know it,
Speaker 2: so I'm pissed already.
Speaker 3: But you know, forensics means.
Speaker 2: That like dead people and study of science, and then
Speaker 2: I just learned that it also means.
Speaker 3: Oh I just heard that yesterday on a podcast. How
Speaker 3: did you?
Speaker 2: That's so crazy because our mutual friend posted like an
Speaker 2: old sweatshirt from her high school and was like, killed
Speaker 2: it in forensics team, So I was like what and
Speaker 2: then it's debate it has nothing.
Speaker 3: I don't understand why I've been what the fuck? Wow?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just heard that on another podcast, which by
Speaker 1: the way, not to plug other podcasts that are not
Speaker 1: exactly right, but I've been listening to the most fascinating
Speaker 1: podcast called Chameleon about the Hollywood con Queen. It is wow,
Speaker 1: it is so good. And there is a part in
Speaker 1: it where they talk about somebody being on a forensics team,
Speaker 1: and I kind of thought the same thing. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: forensics must mean debate, but I didn't know, Lisa, So
Speaker 1: you and I get smarter in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: Also, there is an SVU episode named Chameleon, so that
Speaker 2: ties in. And then also, I just watched a video
Speaker 2: on the Internet and it was like a chameleon climbing
Speaker 2: different colored pencils, and every colored pencil it touched it
Speaker 2: turned into that color.
Speaker 3: And maybe our listeners would like to look at that.
Speaker 1: So somebody wrote to us on t and was like,
Speaker 1: would you guys rather be a dead body or find
Speaker 1: the body?
Speaker 3: And I was like, obviously find the body.
Speaker 1: I need a line, like I do not want to
Speaker 1: be just like lying in front of Timptumertuny with my
Speaker 1: chest cut open. I'll take it, but my preference is
Speaker 1: a line, you know what I mean. I'm just hoping
Speaker 1: to one day audition, Lisa, you've auditioned.
Speaker 2: I have auditioned, and I bombed so bad it's really upsetting.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I got to go to Chelsea Peer's.
Speaker 2: I had an SV auditioned to be a process server
Speaker 2: and I had one line where I go Lieutenant Olivia
Speaker 2: Benson and then I hand over a piece of paper
Speaker 2: on the steps of the courtroom.
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 2: And I go into the audition room and I do
Speaker 2: it and they said, you're smiling too much.
Speaker 3: You need to stop smiling.
Speaker 1: So because you were just like gagged me talking to
Speaker 1: an invisible Olivia Benson in this audition, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Was just thrilled all the signage around the building just
Speaker 2: being there.
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I was just like too happy.
Speaker 2: And They're like, yeah, this is just a job, like
Speaker 2: you serve papers every day. You really aren't this excited,
Speaker 2: so can you just do it again? And when I
Speaker 2: did it again, I accidentally handed over the paperwork before
Speaker 2: I said Lieutenant Olivia Benson, and the casting director just went, Okay,
Speaker 2: you gotta go, and then I had to just leave sadly.
Speaker 2: And then I went and ate my Middle Eastern food
Speaker 2: with a friend. But I was so sad it just
Speaker 2: wasn't your time. It wasn't your time.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: I also had another bad audition for something.
Speaker 2: I auditioned for Broad City and I had to say
Speaker 2: at a Mammy, but I kept saying empanadas. And after
Speaker 2: every take they're like, can you just please say at
Speaker 2: a mammy? And I'd be like, oh, absolutely, and then
Speaker 2: I kept saying empanadas and then they asked me to leave.
Speaker 1: Hey, I auditioned and got apart on on Broad City,
Speaker 1: which was cut.
Speaker 3: So you know, we all have our fun stories. Do
Speaker 3: you have any bad audition stories?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well, on my way to the Broad
Speaker 1: City audition, I completely sprained my ankle. I dragged myself
Speaker 1: into the audition like I was like, and there were
Speaker 1: basically like tear muscaret tears running down my face and that.
Speaker 3: They were like, are you okay?
Speaker 1: I was like, I just kind of I tried to
Speaker 1: wear wedges to like look cute, and my ankle just
Speaker 1: fully rolled on my way there. Like people rushed to
Speaker 1: me on the ground they were like, are you okay?
Speaker 2: I went down hard. It was like me at a wedding, Lisa,
Speaker 2: that's a lesson though, don't wear wedges.
Speaker 1: Oh, I threw them away. Afterwards, I was just like,
Speaker 1: these I can never wear again. It was like the
Speaker 1: worst spring.
Speaker 2: I didn't know wedges were disgusting, and then I was watched. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've learned recently you can't wear wedges. It's like a
Speaker 2: big fashion No.
Speaker 3: No, oh, really they were cute. I mean they were cute.
Speaker 2: I see people wear them in They well because on
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills Housewives Lisavander pump out of pink diamonds and
Speaker 2: wedges party and Erica Girardi Jane in legal trouble right now,
Speaker 2: the head stylist was like wedges and was appalled.
Speaker 1: So that's when I learned. Well, there was wedges only
Speaker 1: in like twenty fourteen, So I mean, I feel like
Speaker 1: I was okay back then, but you're right. I'm off
Speaker 1: the wedge train. I'm too tall for wedges. I'm five nine.
Speaker 1: I don't need to be taller.
Speaker 3: I do have one more bad audition. I'd like to say.
Speaker 2: I was like bombing so bad that in the middle
Speaker 2: of it, I go, could we just please stop? I
Speaker 2: want to leave, like this is not going well, and
Speaker 2: she goes, no, please finish. I'm like, please, I don't
Speaker 2: want to finish, and they made me finish, and then
Speaker 2: when I walked outside Lena Hall Broadways, Lena Hall was
Speaker 2: going in after me. So she had like just been
Speaker 2: nominated for a Tony for a headwig and I had
Speaker 2: to It was just I mean, but it.
Speaker 1: Was really humili I always loved doing commercial auditions where
Speaker 1: a famous person is right next to me.
Speaker 3: I'm like, why am I here?
Speaker 1: Like You're obviously going to give it to this famous
Speaker 1: person who has like facial recognition, but okay.
Speaker 2: They might be more expensive. I don't know is everyone
Speaker 2: relating to our audition chats?
Speaker 3: So today's episode is Babes.
Speaker 1: It's season ten, episode six, so it's it's pre Stabler departure.
Speaker 1: It's a really good one. I think this episode is
Speaker 1: so iconic. I'm also very obsessed with the story that
Speaker 1: it's based on.
Speaker 2: We record our intros after we record the crime and
Speaker 2: recap of the episode, can like listen to it and
Speaker 2: then do a fun little intro. And I do need
Speaker 2: to do a disclaimer. I am very judgmental and I
Speaker 2: don't need anyone coming for me. I acknowledge it. I
Speaker 2: am very anti pregnancy and anti parenthood. I am projecting
Speaker 2: my own stuff onto people and I would just like
Speaker 2: to go on the record and say, do not come
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: You're just expressing your desire to be child free in
Speaker 1: a very passionate way, and we just don't want anyone
Speaker 1: to think that you're judging their choices because you're speaking
Speaker 1: for yourself.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and I'm speaking and you are friends with
Speaker 1: me who has a child. Me is that you repeatedly
Speaker 1: refer to a parenthood as a nightmare. So I totally
Speaker 1: am not offended by that. I just because I love
Speaker 1: being a parent. I'm actually pregnant, I'm having another baby,
Speaker 1: so I am I'm getting on the nightmare roller coaster
Speaker 1: another time.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: What an announcement, that's a what is it an exclusive?
Speaker 3: An exclusive? You are to hear first? Are messed up?
Speaker 1: Fan?
Speaker 2: I'm excited for Rosie to have a baby to beat down.
Speaker 1: And she's going to be such a little boss. It's
Speaker 1: going to be a problem.
Speaker 2: It's going to be really really cute. Yeah, you've always
Speaker 2: wanted to be a parent, I.
Speaker 1: Feel like yeah, And so we both have totally different
Speaker 1: journeys and so we're not trying to project that onto
Speaker 1: the girls. In this episode. However, they make some bad choices.
Speaker 1: Let's just say that. Let's just say they make some
Speaker 1: bad choices. I think we're a lout to call that out.
Speaker 1: So what should we just get going? Let's get to
Speaker 1: the episode. This is Babes and Joy, all right, Let's
Speaker 1: jump into Babes iconic episode based on a case that
Speaker 1: is very dear to me and Lisa, which we'll get
Speaker 1: into later. But this episode starts this is one of
Speaker 1: those episodes that truly takes like seven left turns, like
Speaker 1: it's just so crazy, Like it starts out with some
Speaker 1: amazing acting from a couple of extras who are two
Speaker 1: people on a date, and then there's two waiters that
Speaker 1: are just waiting for them to get be done with
Speaker 1: their fucking date. And there's all these jokes like he's
Speaker 1: gonna stiff us harder than he stiffs her, And the
Speaker 1: only thing flaming here is the major d like just
Speaker 1: all these like SVU style jokes, and they're.
Speaker 2: The worst couple. They're the worst couple. There are the
Speaker 2: people where the chairs are up, the servers are waiting.
Speaker 2: They want to go the fuck home, and these guys
Speaker 2: just won't go just have sex.
Speaker 3: Why would you dessert when you can go fuck exactly.
Speaker 1: So maybe they did the Dan Savage thing and they
Speaker 1: had sex before their meal, but listen, so essentially they're
Speaker 1: sitting there having dinner. They're talking about having Flambay for dessert. Q.
Speaker 1: A human man stumbling through the empty streets of New York,
Speaker 1: fully on fire.
Speaker 3: It's one of these insane things that like, you're like, only.
Speaker 1: In New York moments do happen in New York, but
Speaker 1: that is truly only on SVUS New York.
Speaker 3: Yeah, also only on SVU.
Speaker 2: We're not even two minutes into a show and there's
Speaker 2: a man fully on fire running through the streets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Melinda Warner shows up. She kind of explains
Speaker 1: what's going on. This guy was castrated, stabbed, then set
Speaker 1: on fire. Whoever did this wanted the guy to suffer.
Speaker 1: She gets a little equip where she's like follow the
Speaker 1: bloody brick road, you know, she gets, uh, they want
Speaker 1: to figure out where this guy came from. And then
Speaker 1: after the credits were in the Emmy's office where we're
Speaker 1: getting some really gross, gross shots of stab wounds, which
Speaker 1: I would say that they don't usually show stuff that graphic,
Speaker 1: but it was pretty nasty.
Speaker 3: And then one of the most horrific things I've ever
Speaker 3: seen on the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the most horrific things I've ever seen
Speaker 1: on the show, which is Melinda Warner, the medical examiner,
Speaker 1: rehydrates a torched finger so she, like Lisa, likes to
Speaker 1: give credit to the Foley artists in a lot of
Speaker 1: these episodes, like whoever was doing that? It's like this
Speaker 1: disgusting sound while she puts a puts a syringe into
Speaker 1: a finger to like fill it with water so that
Speaker 1: she can get a uh, and it.
Speaker 3: Looks like a thought.
Speaker 2: It looks like Mitch McConnell's hand, honestly, or like a
Speaker 2: mummy when they unravel up, Emmy, that's what the thumb
Speaker 2: looks like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really gross and they are able to
Speaker 1: get a fingerprint. And the victim is named Josh Gally,
Speaker 1: who they assume is homeless based on like a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff that's going on. He was off the charts
Speaker 1: for alcohol and crack. He seemed to have been living
Speaker 1: on the streets. So then we're at his house actually
Speaker 1: because he's not actually like like a fully homeless person.
Speaker 1: He has a home and we're talking to his father,
Speaker 1: Tom Gally, played by Michael Battluco, who you might.
Speaker 3: Know from the Practice.
Speaker 1: He is a pretty well known actor and I did
Speaker 1: meet him on a subway platform in New York one time.
Speaker 1: He came up and asked me like directions or something,
Speaker 1: and I told him and then I said, Hey, does
Speaker 1: anyone ever tell you that you look like that guy
Speaker 1: from the Practice? And he was like, they do because
Speaker 1: I am him, and I was like, oh wow, I yeah.
Speaker 1: And then we got on the same subway car and
Speaker 1: I was like, for sure our friendship is going to
Speaker 1: flourish from here. He did not wasn't interested in talking
Speaker 1: once we got on the train.
Speaker 2: The Practice I remember watching as a child, and I
Speaker 2: think that kind of sparked me. I love for like
Speaker 2: procedural dramas. It taught me what suspense was and twists,
Speaker 2: and I remember really being inspired by that show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, The Practice was a really good one.
Speaker 3: Star studdied Marla Sokoloff from Full House Fame. Yeah, a
Speaker 3: lot of people that you're like, where did you go?
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of Practice people that what
Speaker 1: happened to them? So we learned that Josh was like
Speaker 1: this great football player and everything was fine, and then
Speaker 1: he developed schizophrenia.
Speaker 2: One of my biggest fears, because you develop it in
Speaker 2: your twenties or your thirties, or maybe you do acid
Speaker 2: one time and then suddenly you're schizophrenic.
Speaker 3: Like it's really fucking scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a whole fun life and then suddenly you think
Speaker 2: aliens are chasing you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And his dad said he was a super sweet
Speaker 1: guy and he left it all on the field. And
Speaker 1: then just real quick side note, Stabler goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we used to play his team when I was in
Speaker 1: high school at Bayside, And I'm like, I know that
Speaker 1: Saved by the Bell happens in California and this is
Speaker 1: New York, but I just want to believe for two
Speaker 1: seconds that Stabler was like beat up up kids at
Speaker 1: the Max, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Maloney's knowledge of schools in New York A
Speaker 2: greater area is expert level.
Speaker 1: It's going to come in to play in another few minutes.
Speaker 1: So it turns out that Joshua was the schizophrenic. You know,
Speaker 1: meds weren't working, he turned to drugs, and that the
Speaker 1: only enemies he had in his life were the street cleaners,
Speaker 1: which are people who beat up homeless people and videotape it,
Speaker 1: and they basically see these videos of people like beating
Speaker 1: the shit out of homeless people. It's really awful. I
Speaker 1: don't know why anyone would do that or take videos
Speaker 1: of it. But Munch talks about how DV and C
Speaker 1: is taking over the internet and says, grandmas are emailing
Speaker 1: around two girls one cup, tagging it lol.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't think.
Speaker 1: They are, Munch. I don't think anyone got two girls
Speaker 1: one cup from their grandma. But please write in if
Speaker 1: that's how you found two girls one cup. Anyway, they
Speaker 1: set up this fake trap to catch the street cleaners.
Speaker 1: This is all kind of a red herring. Munch is
Speaker 1: ranting through the streets acting like you know, basically saying
Speaker 1: all the stuff he regularly says, but saying it in
Speaker 1: like a dirty jacket. And they arrest these two perpetrators,
Speaker 1: like who a girl and a guy.
Speaker 3: They look like they.
Speaker 2: Would love good Charlotte, Like that's the vibe, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And they're just like talking about how they beat up
Speaker 1: homeless people because a homeless guy killed her dad. It's
Speaker 1: this whole like red herring thing, and it kind of
Speaker 1: just ends up that they're not the ones who did it.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: Also, what's so weird is their alibi is that they
Speaker 2: were at a nightclub at the gans Of hotel, and
Speaker 2: it's like, there's no way they would have let.
Speaker 1: You in yet they don't look like Gangs of Wort
Speaker 1: hotel people in any way.
Speaker 3: But you know, who knows. But they had the photos
Speaker 3: they had about New York.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have the photos that got paid through on
Speaker 1: a BlackBerry, which really warmed my heart because you know,
Speaker 1: I love a time stay.
Speaker 3: Did you have a barry Berry? Oh? Hell yeah, you
Speaker 3: were BlackBerry. I was clicking and clacking.
Speaker 1: I could type on it under my desk like without
Speaker 1: be not like in school, but like at work or something.
Speaker 1: I could like type an email without looking at it
Speaker 1: like I was.
Speaker 3: I always read that little ball. For sure. I didn't
Speaker 3: have a BlackBerry, but my friend did. But I was
Speaker 3: jealous of that ball.
Speaker 1: Love the ball. Love BlackBerry Messenger was like original, like
Speaker 1: was kind of like texting. I mean texting was a thing,
Speaker 1: but BBM you could like see if someone read your message.
Speaker 1: It was like much more. It was like quick. It
Speaker 1: was the best.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, the rumor is that Kim Kardashian still
Speaker 2: has a BlackBerry for texting and then an iPhone for photos.
Speaker 3: Just so just to.
Speaker 1: Rumor, I love that she cannot adapt. She cannot use touchscreen. Okay,
Speaker 1: so now we're back at the Emmy's office. It's one
Speaker 1: of those things where like, oh, where's the story going. Now,
Speaker 1: guess what. Tamaratuni has something for you. So she has
Speaker 1: found some electric match or something that was used to
Speaker 1: like this man on fire. It was found at the
Speaker 1: crime scene and it is engraved with BHHS, which, as
Speaker 1: Lisa has mentioned, Stabler immediately knows is Blessed Hard High
Speaker 1: School because he has an.
Speaker 3: Encyclopedic knowledge for Catholic schools.
Speaker 1: In the New York area. So they show up at
Speaker 1: the school and they immediately meet Max, who is played
Speaker 1: by Jesse McCartney, actor turned singer turned actor, actor turned
Speaker 1: singer turned actor.
Speaker 3: I think he's done a Beautiful Soul.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has a song called Beautiful Soul.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's how.
Speaker 1: It goes hand to hilt, you know, it's like one
Speaker 1: of those. And he runs a chastity club. Okay, and
Speaker 1: of course at the hottest guy at the Catholic school
Speaker 1: is going to be the head of the virgin club.
Speaker 2: And you know those virgin clubs never work. I have
Speaker 2: a friend, our feminist friend. I don't know, well, we're
Speaker 2: all feminists, but I have a friend that at twelve,
Speaker 2: she was forced to sign a chastity thing and refused,
Speaker 2: and all these other girls did, and then after they
Speaker 2: got out of high school, she was.
Speaker 3: The only virgin left.
Speaker 2: All the girls that signed the chastity thing ended up
Speaker 2: fucking in high school and she just wasn't about that vibe.
Speaker 2: So I guess we all know that the contracts don't work,
Speaker 2: but I thought i'd add that anecdote.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this episode's about to prove the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: So they find this guy who like run, I don't know,
Speaker 1: he's in like the science club or something. It's Alec Bernardi.
Speaker 1: They questioned him. He's got a fully like burnt mangled hand,
Speaker 1: so he's clearly a suspect in possibly setting this.
Speaker 2: And he does my favorite thing where it's like when
Speaker 2: someone sees a cop and then suddenly starts being shifty
Speaker 2: and running around.
Speaker 3: Ye can bring their books and trying to get the
Speaker 3: hell out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, act natural. If the cops are trying, you gotta
Speaker 2: act chill. You can't start running.
Speaker 1: I know he's bad. I mean, we'll get it, We're
Speaker 1: gonna get to it. But Alec Bernardi does nothing to
Speaker 1: help himself the entire time of this episode. So at
Speaker 1: the top of that two, Benson his back. Thank god,
Speaker 1: I thought this was going to be a Benson free episode.
Speaker 1: Turns out she was just at a three day battered
Speaker 1: women's conference, which listen, I think, twelve years later, we're
Speaker 1: not saying that anymore. But yeah, she's back from the
Speaker 1: twelve the Batterlewoman conference and the coffee was bad. And
Speaker 1: then in March's Debbie masar into the precinct.
Speaker 2: I mean I would the first time I saw this episode,
Speaker 2: I bet I gasped. I mean, to see Debbie in
Speaker 2: all her glory is pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: She has very striking eyes, like her eyes are so
Speaker 1: so clear blue, and like she's just really you know, aggressive,
Speaker 1: that New York kind of She's like Madma's best friend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's very love her iconic. Her body is sick and
Speaker 1: I'm yeah.
Speaker 2: I follow her on Instagram for a while and she
Speaker 2: has a really hot chef husband.
Speaker 3: Oh that's fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I wrote a little bit on the show Younger,
Speaker 1: so I was happy that she got to I think
Speaker 1: she said like one thing I wrote. Anyway, I didn't
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, I did punch up on the first season.
Speaker 2: I can't believe you wouldn't tell me that, considering it's
Speaker 2: a Darren Star production.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm I'm sorry. I figured I mentioned it to you. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to talk about this on Looking at
Speaker 1: your face, you seem very betrayed.
Speaker 2: Well because outside of SVU, I mean, all my favorite
Speaker 2: shows are s SVU, Sex and The City Simpsons. They're
Speaker 2: all SA's six feet under Seinfeld. What the fuck? All
Speaker 2: the best shows are with essays. Okay, so acknowledge Rosie. Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. If you're hearing little squawks. If you're
Speaker 2: hearing little squawks, that is my daughter. I am at home.
Speaker 2: It is a pandemic. I'm sorry. I wasn't able to
Speaker 2: get to my normal studio space.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm a teen mom, just like you're gonna
Speaker 1: find out pretty soon in this episode. So she's out
Speaker 1: there and she's pissed that we won't let her come
Speaker 1: on and talk because she loves us for you.
Speaker 3: But anyway, if you hear her, if that's her.
Speaker 1: So okay. So Debbie Mazar runs in. She wants to
Speaker 1: see Alex. She's his mother.
Speaker 3: She's like, he's just a cake.
Speaker 1: You gotta let me see him. But he's over sixteen,
Speaker 1: so they're questioning him and she's like, he's probably scared
Speaker 1: to death. Cut to Alec, not scared at all, confessing
Speaker 1: to this entire crime. Proud as hell. He acts like
Speaker 1: it's an honor killing. Nothing that he really describes me sense,
Speaker 1: Like he's like, I just got the formalde hyde and
Speaker 1: the stuff to burn him to scare him.
Speaker 2: Like, okay, there's other ways to scare someone. Make a
Speaker 2: loud noise, no, throw gasoline on him.
Speaker 1: Then he's like, I got this scalpel and then he
Speaker 1: attacked me and he reached for the scalpel, so I
Speaker 1: just started stabbing him. And it's like okay, but in
Speaker 1: his dick like it just seemed really weird, like the
Speaker 1: way he was trying to make excuses for everything that happened,
Speaker 1: because and he said he.
Speaker 2: Would do it again, which is a perfect thing to
Speaker 2: say to police officers an interrogation if you want.
Speaker 3: To go to jail.
Speaker 1: Well, then what he also said was I did what
Speaker 1: my dad would have done. And it's like, where's your dad.
Speaker 1: He's not around anymore. Okay, So like why are you
Speaker 1: emulating a man who abandoned your family? Oh?
Speaker 3: Did he just abandon He's not dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, they said he's not around anymore, Like he
Speaker 1: walked out, and it's like, I gotta do what my
Speaker 1: deadbeat dad would do, you know. So basically it comes
Speaker 1: out that he went to go attack Josh or rough
Speaker 1: him up or whatever because he thinks Josh raped his
Speaker 1: sister Tina and got her pregnant. Cut to Tina sitting
Speaker 1: with Debbie Masar and she's like, nobody raped me. And
Speaker 1: then Benson fully outs her for being pregnant, and Debbie
Speaker 1: maysa is like what baby?
Speaker 3: What baby?
Speaker 1: And then she like unzips her you know, sweat her
Speaker 1: hoodie and she's got like a three month pregnant stomach.
Speaker 3: How did Benson know that she was pregnant.
Speaker 1: Because Alec Bernardi said, this guy raped my sister and
Speaker 1: got her pregnant.
Speaker 3: Gotta got it.
Speaker 1: So Tina says the sex was consensual. She admits to
Speaker 1: get wanting to get pregnant on purpose, like Josh wanted
Speaker 1: to get a condom, and she said, not that she
Speaker 1: didn't want it. So then we cut to this montage
Speaker 1: of all these girls, these four girls that are friends
Speaker 1: with Tina be talking.
Speaker 2: People usually like a movie montage where people put on
Speaker 2: different outfits, you know, but this montage of teen mothers
Speaker 2: is better.
Speaker 3: Yea, I would just like saying this is the top montage.
Speaker 1: So we get this montage of these girls being like,
Speaker 1: isn't it amazing We're all going to be young teen
Speaker 1: moms together. This isn't about the fathers. This is about us,
Speaker 1: like we're gonna have so much fun. And then like
Speaker 1: there's varying degrees of parental reaction, like one dad's just
Speaker 1: in the back crossing his arms like you dumb bitch,
Speaker 1: and like she's like, I guess I'll just go on
Speaker 1: welfare because her dad has a look on his face
Speaker 1: like you're not getting a dime from me. And I
Speaker 1: think all these parents are thinking fuck, Catholic school did
Speaker 1: not work. And it doesn't.
Speaker 3: So then one.
Speaker 1: Of the girls actually makes a reference to Bristol Pale
Speaker 1: and is like that vice president lady's daughter got married,
Speaker 1: it's got pregnant. Like it's like, yeah, she's not the
Speaker 1: vice president and Bristol pale and is not a role model.
Speaker 1: So and then we get to the ring leader, who
Speaker 1: is Fidelia.
Speaker 2: Also, Bristol is a dumb name. I'm sorry, Yeah, what
Speaker 2: does that even mean? Is it a part of a gun?
Speaker 2: I don't get what that name is.
Speaker 1: I don't know what Bristol means. It's always like a
Speaker 1: place to me because there's a Bristol, Connecticut there. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 3: So Fidelia Vidal is the.
Speaker 1: Ring leader who got her better name, Yeah better Vadilia
Speaker 1: Vidal is a dope name. She's like, she's just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, isn't it awesome? We're going to be
Speaker 1: the hottest MILFs on the block. We're blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: Like she's very into this, and we you know, we
Speaker 1: found out that she has the one that kind of
Speaker 1: got pregnant first and gave all these girls this idea.
Speaker 1: So then Benson gives Fidelia kind of like a harsh reality.
Speaker 2: Well, the first Fidelia is being sassy team pregnant belly,
Speaker 2: which looks so real and disgusting. And then I have
Speaker 2: a phobia. I have a phobia. I don't even touch
Speaker 2: my sister's pregnant belly. It just really sickens me.
Speaker 3: But I like babies.
Speaker 2: I just have a phobia. So she's also like, oh,
Speaker 2: are you jealous Benson. Well, she doesn't say Benson. She's like,
Speaker 2: you're old. You wish you were as hot as me
Speaker 2: and had a baby, wish you had Like truly, I've
Speaker 2: never seen anyone taught Benson like this, Like not even
Speaker 2: the most hardened rapist murderers have ever mouthed off to
Speaker 2: Benson like Fidelia has.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So she's mouthing off to Benson being crazy and
Speaker 1: then Benson's like claps back and is like, actually, your
Speaker 1: kid could have a host of problems from dyslexia to
Speaker 1: cerebral palsy, like have you thought of any of these things?
Speaker 1: And the dead You're not gonna go to cot, like
Speaker 1: she goes, your dreams are dead, like your life is
Speaker 1: fucking over. That's like essentially what she tells her. So
Speaker 1: the dad is like, stop bullying my baby or whatever.
Speaker 1: The dad is weirdly like on her side, like she
Speaker 1: did nothing wrong in this situation. And then Max shows up.
Speaker 1: Max's remember Jesse McCartney, and the head of the Abstinence
Speaker 1: Club shows up hugs her as like is it true,
Speaker 1: like and it's like, meanwhile, she's got this massive pregnant belly.
Speaker 1: Did you not notice your girlfriend and your Christian girl
Speaker 1: Catholic girlfriend was getting exponentially fatter every week? Like it's
Speaker 1: just crazy that he didn't know.
Speaker 3: And of course he can't be the father because he's
Speaker 3: Captain Virgin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's like, you were supposed to be my
Speaker 1: first and true wife. I was supposed to be your
Speaker 1: first and true husband.
Speaker 3: But then he she's like she kind of says, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: He gives her this hug and you can you might
Speaker 1: miss it if you're not listening.
Speaker 3: But he goes even Christians make mistakes.
Speaker 2: Like oh really, well, you know, and if there's any crossover,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like we were talking, you know, the
Speaker 2: new franchise The Housewives of Salt Lake City. This woman's like,
Speaker 2: you know, Mormons have a dark side and a lot
Speaker 2: of secrets, and it's like, yeah.
Speaker 3: We all know, you're all twisted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we've heard of the politic, Like, of course
Speaker 2: we know the secrets and that there's a dark side
Speaker 2: to politic.
Speaker 1: Like I don't think anybody, I don't think there's one
Speaker 1: religion that people are like they're all clear, they're all good,
Speaker 1: they're not doing anything wrong. Ever, maybe bye, maybe byee.
Speaker 2: I also want to say the dad finally is a
Speaker 2: little pissed too, because he's like, oh, who's the fucking father.
Speaker 1: Finally the dad has a moment. Yeah, so we get
Speaker 1: we're at the precinct. The cops are all kind of
Speaker 1: having like a pow wow to figure out what to do.
Speaker 1: Next week we find out shocker of the episode, Stabler
Speaker 1: is pro life. I mean, of course, he's like, if
Speaker 1: there's no rape or incest, have the baby give it
Speaker 1: up for adoption, which is like, I mean, we've talked
Speaker 1: about that. It's just like a crazy uh such a
Speaker 1: male thing to think. And then in walks gray Lick
Speaker 1: the worst actress of all time.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to say this.
Speaker 1: If you're a listener, Kim Graylick, she is my least
Speaker 1: favorite DA that they ever have. You can wait, please
Speaker 1: tweet at us, and please tweet at us and tell
Speaker 1: us who your least favorite DA is, because it is
Speaker 1: for me, Kim Graylick with a bullet.
Speaker 3: Oh to me, it's the old drunk.
Speaker 2: But also, if Kim Graylick wants to come on the show,
Speaker 2: we'll have her and we'll change her tune really quickly.
Speaker 1: I'll fight you over the drunk. Christine Latti is a goddess.
Speaker 1: I'll fight you, okay.
Speaker 3: So she comes in.
Speaker 1: Basically is like, we got to charge the dads of
Speaker 1: these girls, but one of them is already dead. Two
Speaker 1: of them are underage as well, and then the only
Speaker 1: one is Fidelia's baby daddy, who is allegedly twenty two
Speaker 1: years old. So they find out that this guy's name,
Speaker 1: she doesn't even know his name. She met him one
Speaker 1: time at a party. His name that she knows is Dizzer. Okay, Lisa,
Speaker 1: what do we know about Dizzer?
Speaker 3: What do we know about dizzer? He is a word
Speaker 3: we are not allowed to say.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he's like a white guy wearing like hip
Speaker 2: hop clothing, gold chains and a shirt that says, what
Speaker 2: is it ripping.
Speaker 3: Recondex and getting sex? Yeah.
Speaker 2: And when Munch and Iced Tea come, This is my
Speaker 2: favorite is when people try to befriend Iced Tea and
Speaker 2: it's like he's not even nice to his son, He's
Speaker 2: not gonna be nice to you, and yeah, I just
Speaker 2: I love seeing people try to be like what not
Speaker 2: brother and He's like, we are not brothers. I'm a
Speaker 2: fucking cop killer, you know, Like I just I can't
Speaker 2: imagine trying to like snuggle.
Speaker 3: Up to iced. He ever, not that way, not that way.
Speaker 3: I think there's other ways.
Speaker 1: Okay, So they go talk to this Skuy dizzer. He's nuts,
Speaker 1: he doesn't remember.
Speaker 3: Me, and he's in such a Brooklyn store, Like I've
Speaker 3: been to the store in Williams. Yeah I have been there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're basically going to try to do paternity, but
Speaker 1: because the baby's not born yet, Finn and Stableer show
Speaker 1: up to Fidelia's house just to take her to get
Speaker 1: an amniocentesis, which is insane. I mean, amniocentesis is like
Speaker 1: a procedure with risks. It's like not the kind of
Speaker 1: thing where you're like, get in the cop car. We're
Speaker 1: taking you to get an amnio. Like it just doesn't
Speaker 1: work like that. So they try to go get her
Speaker 1: and like, wait, what's the little joke? What's the little
Speaker 1: thing that happens? They try, They go to get her
Speaker 1: out of her bedroom and the dad's just kind to
Speaker 1: open the door.
Speaker 3: Classic s view.
Speaker 2: What I love is before they show us something horrific,
Speaker 2: we get a little laugh, and basically he's well, he's like, oh, sure,
Speaker 2: we'll get her.
Speaker 3: Hey pumpkin, Hey pumpkin.
Speaker 2: It's like your daughter is a ringleader of a pregnancy pack.
Speaker 2: She is not a pumpkin. But the door is locked
Speaker 2: and he tries to knock it open, and then he's like,
Speaker 2: oh sorry, bums shoulder, like, he makes a little joke
Speaker 2: that he's not strong enough to like, oh, maloney, can
Speaker 2: you help me?
Speaker 3: I just yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So Stabler has to like use his Catholic tattooed arm
Speaker 1: to fucking bust his store open, and they open the
Speaker 1: door and Fidelia is hanging dead from a ceiling fan.
Speaker 2: Yeah so not great. Yeah, so that's what we get.
Speaker 2: We get a joke and then a teen hanging Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Immediately that's they're able to walk that fine line. It's
Speaker 1: a ping pong game. So at the top of the
Speaker 1: next act, we find out that Fidelia's mom, who I
Speaker 1: think has been drinking a lot.
Speaker 3: She seems very zonked on pills.
Speaker 1: She's like someone was emailing Fidelia calling her a slut
Speaker 1: and a whore, and the email address was like Dizzer
Speaker 1: sixty nine at AOL or something.
Speaker 3: Like that.
Speaker 2: Also, what's funny is they had a family computer in
Speaker 2: the main room, which is so of that time. Yes,
Speaker 2: so of that time. And I want to give a
Speaker 2: shout out that Mom is an amazing actress. She really
Speaker 2: nailed her scene.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she's good.
Speaker 1: So cops think that it's Dizzer who's been calling her
Speaker 1: asla and a horror online and stuff. But they do
Speaker 1: some research find out that the emails came from an
Speaker 1: internet cafe. We get a little security cam screen grab.
Speaker 1: Who is it leaving the internet cafe? Peggy Bernardi aka
Speaker 1: Debbie Masar. So she admits to bullying Fidelia online. But
Speaker 1: at this point in the timeline of the show, I
Speaker 1: think New York doesn't really have big cyber bullying laws yet.
Speaker 1: I think now New York and the rest of the
Speaker 1: country is sort of catching up on that, but at
Speaker 1: that time there weren't these cyber bullying laws. So it's
Speaker 1: like they're trying to figure out, like how culpable she is. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: someone has doxed Peggy Bernardi, meaning they've revealed where she lives.
Speaker 1: We show up at her apartment and there's, as Lisa
Speaker 1: puts it, a beauty in the Beast style brigade has
Speaker 1: shown up at the house, which I love because I
Speaker 1: just think no one in New York ever talks to
Speaker 1: their neighbors, but on this show, people are.
Speaker 3: Like, get out of here, rapist neighbor.
Speaker 1: Like everyone's always showing up places to like out their
Speaker 1: neighbors and get mad at them. And then we cut
Speaker 1: to so Peggy is arraigned and is ordered not to
Speaker 1: use a computer not allowed.
Speaker 3: This is kind of like me.
Speaker 2: It was in a humiliating moment when I got a
Speaker 2: call from the FBI because of a Twitter argument I
Speaker 2: got into.
Speaker 3: And it's like, to have.
Speaker 2: The government tell you to please get off the internet
Speaker 2: is pretty humiliating.
Speaker 1: I would say, that's.
Speaker 3: That's really great. Okay.
Speaker 1: So they're reading out these messages online between Peggy disguised
Speaker 1: as Desser sixty nine and Fidelia, and they're on a
Speaker 1: social media app called b Friends spelled fr n d z.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with all the various websites and social media
Speaker 1: platforms that SVU makes up. There's like face Union, there's
Speaker 1: face Space, b Friends, There's a bunch more. I just
Speaker 1: found a really great article with all the fake websites
Speaker 1: that they have on sview and it's amazing. I'll post
Speaker 1: it on our Instagram or something, or our Twitter. So
Speaker 1: in one of the messages, right before she signs off,
Speaker 1: Fidelia says, gotta go. Foth is knocking fat and everyone
Speaker 1: assumes that she just means my dad's knocking. But Tina
Speaker 1: kind of stands up in court and is like, that's
Speaker 1: not what that means. Foth is first and true husband,
Speaker 1: which we actually heard Max say earlier in the episode.
Speaker 1: So now we cut to the cops interrogating Max, and
Speaker 1: they're just fully interrogating a teen without parents or counsel.
Speaker 3: Not great police work. But Max admits.
Speaker 1: All this stuff. He's like, I snuck up the fire
Speaker 1: escape to visit Fidelia. Max goes, We've been together forever.
Speaker 1: Fidelia is fifteen years old, so I just want to
Speaker 1: put that into perspective. He's saying, Fidelia was blowing me off,
Speaker 1: she said she never loved me, she said she was
Speaker 1: scared to have sex, and then she went and did this.
Speaker 1: So he actually admits that he choked her to death
Speaker 1: and then set it up like a suicide. And Max
Speaker 1: is just like, I've been asking God for forgiveness, but
Speaker 1: he's not answering me. So God is ghost Max and
Speaker 1: he's kind of getting an idea of how that whole
Speaker 1: thing works.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's like you've made up everything else that
Speaker 2: God told you.
Speaker 3: Can't you just look it out? Can't you just make
Speaker 3: up what he's telling you to do? Now? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So wildly Max gets only four years in prison, which
Speaker 1: I feel like is must be due to him being
Speaker 1: like fifteen or something because he's murdered a pregnant girl
Speaker 1: Like that just seems like you'd get more than four years.
Speaker 1: Alec Bernardi gets fifteen to life. I think because he's
Speaker 1: over They say he's over sixteen, he might be eighteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they tried him as an adult because that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I remember when I saw that, I was like really
Speaker 2: really shocked by Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah. So he gets fifteen to life for
Speaker 1: killing Josh, and then Peggy's charges are completely dropped. But
Speaker 1: then gray Lick like antagonizes her a little bit, and
Speaker 1: then Peggy attacks gray Lick, who, oh, to be honest,
Speaker 1: is being very judgy. I feel like she's like, hope
Speaker 1: you can wash the blood off your hands before you
Speaker 1: hold your grand baby, Like Okay, I.
Speaker 3: Like it though, Yeah, Hayt and graylock so much. That's
Speaker 3: a killer line.
Speaker 1: I hate grayl like, but I feel like a DA
Speaker 1: would never say something so judgemental. But okay, it is
Speaker 1: a TV show. So Peggy attacks Gray like she's got
Speaker 1: some kind of little amount of blood behind her ear.
Speaker 1: But now we're meant to believe that the mom is
Speaker 1: going to jail.
Speaker 3: Collar that bitch for assault, call her that bitch for assault.
Speaker 1: So now she's apparently gonna go to jail, even though
Speaker 1: we have no idea if it's like her first defense.
Speaker 1: We don't know what kind of jail time she'd get.
Speaker 3: It is not her first defense.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go out on a limb and say,
Speaker 2: this bitch has gotten in trouble before.
Speaker 1: But now we've got little Tina who's pregnant, and like,
Speaker 1: now it's farther along. She's like, you know, she looks
Speaker 1: like she's seven months or eight months pregnant, and her
Speaker 1: mom's in jail, her brother's in jail. You know, her
Speaker 1: dad took off, so she's got nothing her if a
Speaker 1: baby daddy is dead, Her baby daddy is dead. But
Speaker 1: guess what, her baby granddaddy steps up and he offers
Speaker 1: to take her in the guy from the practice, Tom Gally,
Speaker 1: offers to have her come live with him because I
Speaker 1: guess they live in the same building, so it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be a big wouldn't be a big move, you know,
Speaker 1: so he can be have his grandchild then take care
Speaker 1: of this girl who has nobody now. So it is
Speaker 1: kind of like a rare, rare, like tiny ray of
Speaker 1: sunshine happening at the end of a very fucked up
Speaker 1: episode where multiple people are dead.
Speaker 2: Even the ray of sunshines and SVU are still like,
Speaker 2: these people need some therapy, you know, Like it's always
Speaker 2: like I hope these people get the therapy they need.
Speaker 1: Because it's like I don't who Yeah, yeah, anyway, that
Speaker 1: was babes. We're going to take a quick break and
Speaker 1: when we come back, Lisa's going to walk us through
Speaker 1: all the real life of it all.
Speaker 3: Welcome back. I hope you enjoyed that advertisement.
Speaker 2: So what's cool about this is it's not an actual crime,
Speaker 2: so it's a little light and fun after a teen suicide.
Speaker 2: But there is also besides the Pregnancy Pact, which you
Speaker 2: know took the nation by storm in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 2: I mean it was the news story of the fucking year.
Speaker 3: Too, and probably was a winning and then pay packed
Speaker 3: the two biggest things of eight.
Speaker 2: But there is there was a real life situation where
Speaker 2: people were beating the shit out of homeless people and
Speaker 2: putting it on the internet, which is disgusting.
Speaker 1: The red haring kind of crime at the beginning is
Speaker 1: the whole is the whole street cleaner's thing, which is
Speaker 1: loosely based I think on bum Fights, which are a
Speaker 1: series of movies that were produced in like the early
Speaker 1: two thousands. I think we're actually homeless people were paid
Speaker 1: to like be in sketches, but I think in some
Speaker 1: of the sketches they were definitely fighting each other and
Speaker 1: it was not It seemed pretty dehumanizing. There were four
Speaker 1: of them, yeah, from two thousand and two to two
Speaker 1: thousand and six, and I think that's definitely where the
Speaker 1: show pulled this idea from. It got a lot of criticism,
Speaker 1: like homeless advocacy groups were like, this is not cool.
Speaker 1: But the one ray of sunshine, I guess, the one
Speaker 1: silver lightning was that one guy who was in a
Speaker 1: bunch of the movies actually did sort of make enough
Speaker 1: money to get off the street. So in one case
Speaker 1: it helps someone, but overall a pretty deplorable idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can also just give people money and not
Speaker 2: make them box for it. I mean, yeah, if you
Speaker 2: make anyone desperate for money do things that they wouldn't
Speaker 2: do for free, it's not nice anyways. Okay, so let's
Speaker 2: get to the pregnancy packed. Let's set the stage.
Speaker 3: And what is the town called. I'm going to say
Speaker 3: it wrong the whole time. Gloucester, Gloucester, Yeah, Gloucester, Massachusetts,
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight. I'm going to set the scene.
Speaker 2: Juno is out, you know, teen mom is out, knocked up,
Speaker 2: you know, Bristol Palin. Teen moms are in fashion right now.
Speaker 2: And also I'd like to say that the girls that
Speaker 2: got pregnant in this high school deny that there was
Speaker 2: a pregnancy pact.
Speaker 3: They say maybe some of them were, but they're eight.
Speaker 2: So basically this high school, it's a Catholic school. Eighteen
Speaker 2: girls and one high school got pregnant in the same year.
Speaker 2: And the nurse, the nurse is like my favorite, the
Speaker 2: school nurse nurse. Daily she says that she administered one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty pregnancy tests that year alone, the most
Speaker 2: she has ever done. And the reason it's like it's
Speaker 2: up in the air because the pregnancy packed rumor was
Speaker 2: started by the priest of the school that was trying
Speaker 2: to alleviate responsibility because it's like, fucker, you're doing a
Speaker 2: bad job educating these kids. If everyone's out there getting pregnant,
Speaker 2: give them condoms, give them education, and so he started
Speaker 2: the rumor of the pregnancy pact. The nurse thinks that
Speaker 2: there was a pregnancy pact because she said girls would
Speaker 2: hysterically cry when the tests would come out negative. So
Speaker 2: some girls did want to get pregnant. And then I
Speaker 2: feel like some of the girls were like popular and
Speaker 2: didn't want to be associated with the loser girls. I
Speaker 2: don't know, I have no idea either way. It's a problem,
Speaker 2: but it's not a crime. And thinking about all this,
Speaker 2: I'm really upset that all these girls got so much
Speaker 2: negative attention all A lot of the interviews afterwards were
Speaker 2: saying these girls were called slut people in the town
Speaker 2: screamed at them everywhere they went, calling them whores, And
Speaker 2: it's like, well, what about the boys that got them pregnant?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we hear nothing about these boys.
Speaker 1: I just found out one thing about this that I
Speaker 1: had never heard before, which is that one of the
Speaker 1: girls even sought out a twenty four year old homeless
Speaker 1: man to get pregnant.
Speaker 2: The girl denies it, and it's another thing that the
Speaker 2: priests said. The Catholic principle from the school said the
Speaker 2: girls were desperate and one of them fucked this twenty
Speaker 2: four year old homeless person to get pregnant, which is sad,
Speaker 2: but I don't believe him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's definitely where SPU got Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh one, but if these boys were twenty two, why
Speaker 2: are they not being charged for statutory rate? Why aren't
Speaker 2: the boys being called sluts and irresponsible fathers? It's like
Speaker 2: just sexism, and how the world works is like so
Speaker 2: fucked up. Where these older boys are fucking fifteen year
Speaker 2: old girls without condoms and the girls are being called sluts.
Speaker 2: It's frustrat to me. Oh and we forgot Jamie lin
Speaker 2: Spears also was there anyways? And then a funny I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's funny, but a fun thing about
Speaker 2: all these teen moms. They have perfect teen mom names,
Speaker 2: Like one was Kyla, Lindsay, Briann Amanda. It's like, if
Speaker 2: anyone's going to be a teen mother, it's going to
Speaker 2: be these names, you know, No Barbara's were getting knocked up.
Speaker 1: The girls in the episode were Bianca, Tina, Carlotta, and Padelia.
Speaker 1: They were clearly trying to make it like it's an
Speaker 1: Italian thing to want to get pregnant when you're fifteen.
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't even catch that.
Speaker 2: And there is a documentary you watched it all the
Speaker 2: Gloucester eighteen. Yeah, I watched The Gloucester eighteen. You have
Speaker 2: to buy it. There's no way to steal it. Unfortunately
Speaker 2: I tried.
Speaker 1: And it is. It's like sad because it's like all
Speaker 1: these girls, I mean, they get them a little bit
Speaker 1: before it all goes down, but then they get them
Speaker 1: some of them after, and it's like it's just.
Speaker 3: Not they all think it's going to be this y.
Speaker 1: Like I think that a lot of teens that want
Speaker 1: to get pregnant are they are not getting love from
Speaker 1: their parents, they're not getting love from their boyfriend or whatever,
Speaker 1: and so they're like, this will be unconditional love that
Speaker 1: I'm getting from a baby, you know, and they just
Speaker 1: see what it's like to almost babysit, you know, like
Speaker 1: when you're babysitting, it's like, oh cute and now you
Speaker 1: give it back to the mom, you know, or you
Speaker 1: put it to bed and you eat all the people's snacks.
Speaker 1: Like it's just not the same as like having your
Speaker 1: body ripped apart, like having to feed a baby from
Speaker 1: your body. Like there's just a lot of work. I
Speaker 1: have one I can tell you from experience, And I
Speaker 1: just don't think it's funny because I think it's very
Speaker 1: clear that having kids or heart is a hard thing.
Speaker 1: And Lisa, You're always like, who's telling you it's easy?
Speaker 3: Who is telling these teens that it's easy?
Speaker 2: What mother is like, Oh, it was a breeze, even
Speaker 2: though moms that are like moms aren't honest enough.
Speaker 3: It's hard.
Speaker 2: I'm like, they're all honest, it's a fucking nightmare. Like
Speaker 2: I've never seen a new mom be like it's a breeze,
Speaker 2: all stressed out right.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So, the pregnancy packed documentary The Gloss eighteen just had
Speaker 1: like a lot of girls like slowly swinging on swing sets,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of talking about how they were maybe
Speaker 1: gonna move in with their boyfriend and they were all
Speaker 1: trying to get like spots in the daycare and stuff
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: Oh, I have two things to add one.
Speaker 2: I'm very I was a very avid babysitter. I was
Speaker 2: a professional babysitter for a long time. Same and I
Speaker 2: had a kid once. Tell me, my mom would like
Speaker 2: you to stop eating all our bananas. What a bitch, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm taking care of your kid. I can't have one banana.
Speaker 3: Bananas are nineteen cents each, bitch, calm down.
Speaker 2: And she wouldn't tell me. She made her son tell
Speaker 2: me to stop eating the bananas. And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: my mom says you don't work hard enough.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you assholes, I'm telling you now, I can
Speaker 1: tell you worked hard enough. Because that sounds like a
Speaker 1: shitty family. Yeah, they're a capitalist family.
Speaker 2: I also want to say, of all the crimes we
Speaker 2: research and everything we watch, like, I don't know why,
Speaker 2: it's so horrific to just see a pregnant tea and
Speaker 2: like pajama pant bottoms and a like a spaghetti strap
Speaker 2: tank top just sitting in a tiny kitchen.
Speaker 3: There's something just so sad and horrific about it.
Speaker 2: And it's weird because we're also, you know, researching Casey
Speaker 2: Anthony murdering her baby, and I'm like, this is worse.
Speaker 3: It's I don't know why.
Speaker 2: And a big thing about a lot of the interviews
Speaker 2: and pieces that the kids did was one of them
Speaker 2: Kyla was she said, there was never a moment where
Speaker 2: I didn't think I would keep him, and the mom
Speaker 2: is just nodding in the background, and I'm sure it's
Speaker 2: the Catholic thing, but it's just so crazy that abortions
Speaker 2: not talked about at all.
Speaker 1: Oh, we've said though not in the dock, but like
Speaker 1: we've said, out of the eighteen pregnancies, there were definitely
Speaker 1: a couple abortions, right, some eighteen of them didn't have kids.
Speaker 3: Yeah, correct, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And one of the wild things that the school actually
Speaker 2: had a daycare, but there were only seven spots, and
Speaker 2: so the teens started like not fighting, but like they
Speaker 2: had to get one of.
Speaker 1: The trouting out about getting childcare. Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 3: For those that.
Speaker 2: Don't know, Kara's husband is what is it not a
Speaker 2: postmaster like a dungeon master, a dungeon roleplay master.
Speaker 3: And so me Karen are from Megan Gaily.
Speaker 2: We do a coven like weekly bi weekly, which fantasy
Speaker 2: role play game. And I was a single mother once
Speaker 2: every two weeks in a fantasy game for two hours
Speaker 2: and I was stressed out about childcare.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had to write Lisa's We had to write
Speaker 1: Lisa's characters child off to boarding school. Because Lisa was
Speaker 1: just like she kept being like, well what do I
Speaker 1: do about my daughter? We were like, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You have a fictional ten year old. Nobody cares like.
Speaker 1: She was like, this is stressing me out. I was like,
Speaker 1: I love how you being a mom for two hours
Speaker 1: every two weeks. It's just like untenable. You cannot handle it.
Speaker 2: No, and now ad fucking getting a high school diploma.
Speaker 2: It's just really really bad. And then you know, we
Speaker 2: talk about like why this all got attention. It's a
Speaker 2: poor town, it was a quiet fishing village. Does race
Speaker 2: play a part in all this? Does class play a
Speaker 2: part in all this? Like I'm sure there's tons of
Speaker 2: high schools in America where tons of teens are getting pregnant.
Speaker 2: There was something so sensationalized about this Gloucester eighteen and
Speaker 2: this pregnancy pact.
Speaker 3: That might not even be real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it sounds kind of like the school
Speaker 1: created the idea of the pack to take blame off
Speaker 1: their own shoulders because they were not providing contraception, not
Speaker 1: providing education, you know, like, and so they were just like, oh,
Speaker 1: this isn't our fault. This is because they all schemed
Speaker 1: together and came up with this crazy idea to get
Speaker 1: pregnant together, to be Jamie lin Spears's together, and like
Speaker 1: it's yeah.
Speaker 2: And then the one, if we can call hero and
Speaker 2: all this is nurse Daily and she left her job
Speaker 2: and resigned and was like, fuck this, like, you guys
Speaker 2: are not taking responsibility. We're not doing anything to help
Speaker 2: these girls not get pregnant. And she would just mad
Speaker 2: about all the hoopla and everything, and she's like, there
Speaker 2: is an actual problem with teen pregnancies and not enough condoms,
Speaker 2: and let's help solve these problems. Like you said, So
Speaker 2: the nurse is like the one progressive, smart person in
Speaker 2: all of this, and so she's kind of amazing. And yeah,
Speaker 2: the girls are just fucking moms.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: I don't know what to say. That's the end. It's interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't really have a source, but I have read
Speaker 1: that like shows like teen Mom have actually pushed the
Speaker 1: teen pregnancy rate down. I hope, so, because like it's
Speaker 1: like people are like they're glamorizing it. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't think they're really glamorizing it.
Speaker 3: They're not making it seem good.
Speaker 2: No, because all and teen mom any it's a depressing
Speaker 2: show for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't watch it because it's too depressive for me.
Speaker 2: And some of them ended up having second kids too,
Speaker 2: like within three years and stuff, which is shocking. But yeah,
Speaker 2: like you, like we mentioned earlier, one of the girls
Speaker 2: in an article is like like, ah, I didn't know
Speaker 2: it was going to be this hard, and.
Speaker 3: It's like, I don't know why you didn't know.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 2: I think when in eighth grade we were for extra
Speaker 2: credit our health class, we can take a fake baby
Speaker 2: home if we wanted, and I never wanted it. I
Speaker 2: knew I wasn't going to have children from a very
Speaker 2: young age. I was not interested in that. But there
Speaker 2: was a girl I didn't like, and so when she
Speaker 2: went to buy lune, I took her baby and I
Speaker 2: put the head back over and over and over again
Speaker 2: so she would get a bad grade. So that's my
Speaker 2: experience with health class.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess you know, people don't change.
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up the pregnancy packed Lifetime movie though, too.
Speaker 3: Did you ever did you see that well, yeah, because
Speaker 3: I love fucking Thora Birch. I think she's amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from now and then to American Beauty, fucking hocus Pocus.
Speaker 3: She really is so much of my childhood in ten years.
Speaker 3: I love Thora Birch. Where is she? Let you Go?
Speaker 1: The poster of that movie just had a resurgence because
Speaker 1: the entire cast of vander Pump Rules, a show that
Speaker 1: Lisa and I watch, recently became pregnant basically at the
Speaker 1: same time, and they redid this part ignancy pac poster
Speaker 1: with all of their faces on it, so you know,
Speaker 1: just I'll put we'll post it on the Instagram if
Speaker 1: you're interested.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so this is kind of a light crime,
Speaker 2: I guess, you know, in terms of where we're gonna
Speaker 2: go in other episodes and compare to everything else. And
Speaker 2: SVU did an amazing job of taking just a chill
Speaker 2: teen pregnancy situation and turning it into a suicide internet
Speaker 2: death threat thing, which is great.
Speaker 1: But he got murdered in the real pregnancy pact luckily.
Speaker 1: And they also kind of I mean, they did call
Speaker 1: it a pact, and they did it the same stuff,
Speaker 1: but it was only four girls, like eighteen girls is
Speaker 1: a really really bonkers number of girls to get pregnant
Speaker 1: at the same time in one high school, you're gonna
Speaker 1: start putting some condoms and baskets at the library or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just look at my life and I'm
Speaker 2: so grateful for the travel and the partying and the
Speaker 2: hangouts and the festivals and the parades I went to,
Speaker 2: just all of these things that even when I hear
Speaker 2: of people like that turned twenty two, get married, have
Speaker 2: a kid, and like our teachers, I'm like, wait, what
Speaker 2: don't you want to see Thailand?
Speaker 3: I just am like.
Speaker 2: So confused by the rush to do those things.
Speaker 3: So but if you know, if that's your choice, I.
Speaker 1: Saw Thailand, and now I have a kid, so that
Speaker 1: makes me have to go anywhere again.
Speaker 2: I love the irony of Kara talking about them not
Speaker 2: having access to contraception, and then in the background is
Speaker 2: the loudest screen daughter.
Speaker 3: My daughter just slamming a Morocca against the ground.
Speaker 2: Well, no, because I feel you're You're married, you have
Speaker 2: a great partner, you have enough money for child's care,
Speaker 2: you have friends with kids, and it's still a nightmare,
Speaker 2: not a nightmare, but it's still hard.
Speaker 3: It's still hard.
Speaker 1: Tell me how you really feel about my life.
Speaker 2: Well, it's just no, it is it is. It is
Speaker 2: a maniac Rosie. It's far Yeah, it's far from a nightmare.
Speaker 3: No, she's so cute.
Speaker 2: But Rosie follows in her mother Kara's footsteps, and she's
Speaker 2: a busy baby. She's out there, she's opening drawers, she's
Speaker 2: taking out bowls, she.
Speaker 1: Wants to go to the bar. Guard she's saying. She
Speaker 1: just started saying, oh fuck last week. So we're I mean,
Speaker 1: you say nightmare, I say dream. I think I'm living
Speaker 1: through is.
Speaker 2: I just meant in terms of even when you have
Speaker 2: a home and support and financial stability, it's always hard.
Speaker 3: It's hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I accept when you're like one of the Real
Speaker 1: housewives that has like three nannies per child and you're like,
Speaker 1: it's so hard being a mom for you, it's not hard.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: Camille Grammar is tweeting about socialism today and I'm like, bitch,
Speaker 2: you live off rich men.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's socialism. What are you against? Anyways?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for more housewives, go to our Patriot and I'm
Speaker 1: just kidding, calm, and we have an amazing guest. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we have a guest. That's gonna blow open a lot
Speaker 1: of questions we had about the episode. I'm really excited
Speaker 1: that's coming up. Okay, guys are interview Coming up is
Speaker 1: with a extremely talented filmmaker and actor from Brooklyn, New York.
Speaker 1: She is now getting into the directing game and has
Speaker 1: a horror anthology movie coming out this year called Phobia's
Speaker 1: so keep an eye out for that. She's also in
Speaker 1: development on a project called Hunger on a possession movie,
Speaker 1: and you can catch you coming up in a movie
Speaker 1: called Off Season, directed by Mickey Keating.
Speaker 2: We are so thrilled that we got to interview Fidelia
Speaker 2: aka Jess Varley.
Speaker 3: People listening they can't look at we see you.
Speaker 2: And it's wild because Babes is one of our favorite
Speaker 2: SVU episodes and you're just Fidelia and it's insane. And
Speaker 2: what you did that very few people have done on
Speaker 2: SVU is you do like a speech to Benson trying
Speaker 2: to insult like it is the most ep web Benson,
Speaker 2: your teen pregnant belly, and it is just it's amazing.
Speaker 2: I want to hear about that scene and taping in everything.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's a real sassy one, isn't she it was
Speaker 6: such a good experience. It was literally like I had
Speaker 6: I had I went to the Guardia, so I like
Speaker 6: started acting in high school and I'd done.
Speaker 5: A couple of commercials, but that was like my first you.
Speaker 6: Know, dramatic acting job on a set and honestly the
Speaker 6: best thing. Like I mean, I just turned thirty, I'm
Speaker 6: still working in the industry, and a lot of it
Speaker 6: has to do with that experience, because like I remember
Speaker 6: getting on set and being like, wow, everybody eats together
Speaker 6: and they're all friends, you know, because like usually, especially
Speaker 6: commercial shoots, you know you're in, you're out.
Speaker 5: It's a quick job.
Speaker 6: But it was the first time I had really like
Speaker 6: experienced It sounds cheesy, but it's like the first time
Speaker 6: I really experienced community on a set. And I was
Speaker 6: like I want that. I am also an only child, so
Speaker 6: I was like Frans.
Speaker 2: You know, I always say being on a set is
Speaker 2: like summer camp. It's summer camp one thousand percent.
Speaker 5: That's always what I say, too. Yes, it was really.
Speaker 6: Good vibes, Like I mean, even Mariushka Hargatea was like
Speaker 6: so sweetly be.
Speaker 5: Like okay, so that's your mark, you know, like.
Speaker 6: Explaining like a little you know, like she's kind of
Speaker 6: coaching me through that.
Speaker 5: They're so gracious and sweet.
Speaker 6: They work with you know, so many people coming through
Speaker 6: there all the time. Everyone was great. I'm still friends
Speaker 6: with Ray Bruso, who played my dad on the show.
Speaker 6: We reconnected a couple of years ago, and everyone's great,
Speaker 6: Like even Jesse McCarty. Like, I remember when we were
Speaker 6: all eating lunch and like we had a bunch of
Speaker 6: shoots too. We'd already shot some stuff and we were
Speaker 6: going to shoot after It's like the really dramatic scene
Speaker 6: we're like.
Speaker 5: He opens the door and rushes in and like we
Speaker 5: embrace each other whatever.
Speaker 6: I remember him just being like, okay, so after lunch,
Speaker 6: like this is your money shot, you know it. It
Speaker 6: was so sweet because everybody was so just like gracious
Speaker 6: and sweet and helpful and nice and like, honestly, was
Speaker 6: a great experience.
Speaker 3: Did you watch SVU before you go?
Speaker 2: I want to know the moment you got the call
Speaker 2: that you got the part, like being your first big part, Like,
Speaker 2: how do do you feel?
Speaker 5: I felt great? It was awesome.
Speaker 6: It also was like, you know, as an actor in
Speaker 6: New York, you know, a young actor in New York,
Speaker 6: you're like law and Order like and also this was
Speaker 6: back in the day. This was before you know, there
Speaker 6: was girls and all these shoes in this show shooting
Speaker 6: in New York, so it was like you're either going
Speaker 6: to be a Law and Order SVU, law and Order criminal.
Speaker 5: Intent, you know.
Speaker 6: It was like, yeah, were a soap opera basically, you know.
Speaker 6: But I mean I was super thrilled. Like I remember
Speaker 6: going in having the audition, and yeah, it was just
Speaker 6: I remember even like I think at that point, like
Speaker 6: I didn't even have a headshot, you know, like I
Speaker 6: gave them a resume with a photo my friend took
Speaker 6: of me, you know, like I printed out that I
Speaker 6: printed out from my computer.
Speaker 5: I like paper.
Speaker 1: But there was something about you that they were like,
Speaker 1: she can tell Benson that she's too old.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 5: Yeah, some of those lines.
Speaker 1: I'm like, hmm, it's like nobody ever sass is Benson
Speaker 1: that way you did, and then such that.
Speaker 2: Benson just is like your kid might have cerebral palsy.
Speaker 2: And then suddenly you like shrink a little bit, and.
Speaker 1: I did you did you know like the true story
Speaker 1: of like the pregnancy Pact at all?
Speaker 6: Yes, actually, because I think I had heard about it
Speaker 6: in the news before this all happened, so I was aware,
Speaker 6: and it was like and also being like the quote
Speaker 6: unquote ring leader of yes, like you know, because there's
Speaker 6: also like I mean, there's some amazing people in the
Speaker 6: episode too, like Britt Robertson's in.
Speaker 3: It, Debbie Debbie Maze, like.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm a blondie, but you know, all my
Speaker 6: family in Brooklyn is super Italian. So I felt at
Speaker 6: least like, Okay, I'm getting getting through to my roots here.
Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And Dezzer did you did you ever get to meet Dezzer?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 6: Actually I'm trying to think did we have I guess
Speaker 6: we didn't have a scene together, but yeah, when then
Speaker 6: when you see him the way they have him and
Speaker 6: like what good stoore like.
Speaker 1: Yo yo whissle, Oh my man, a truly problematic character.
Speaker 2: Wait, either this is all this will be a fun game.
Speaker 2: Either or Jesse McCartney or Dizzer Ooh.
Speaker 6: I want to go as Jesse McCartney because he was
Speaker 6: such a lovely guy. But then I feel like, knowing
Speaker 6: myself in the past, I probably would have made the.
Speaker 5: Mistake of dating a dessert or too. You know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Wait, I'm not really positive about the timeline. But was
Speaker 3: Jesse McCartney.
Speaker 1: He was already like kind of a teen heart Throbs
Speaker 1: singer at that time, right, So were you kind.
Speaker 5: Of yeah, oh, Deely Harvey.
Speaker 6: I think Actually, funnily enough, I don't think I knew
Speaker 6: that we were cast popposite each other, like until I
Speaker 6: got to set that night and I was like, oh, Jesse,
Speaker 6: that's my name. And then I was like Jesse Jesse.
Speaker 5: Again and I was like, oh, it's Jesse McCartney.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean I especially like at the time too, like totally,
Speaker 6: you know, I was like, oh my god, this is
Speaker 6: this is great and again and he was just so sweet,
Speaker 6: Like I honestly can't tell you how nice he was.
Speaker 6: Like everyone really just took their time and was just
Speaker 6: I don't know it really even still to say, I'm like, man,
Speaker 6: everyone really like it was a very good introduction to
Speaker 6: like the community.
Speaker 2: You know, I bet curious about like hair and makeup
Speaker 2: and the belly.
Speaker 3: How long did it take, Like how did they make
Speaker 3: the belly?
Speaker 1: It looks so real by the way, like it looks
Speaker 1: like true skin when you're like rubbing it.
Speaker 6: Well, there there actually is a body double for the
Speaker 6: double the one shot where I rube the pregnant belly,
Speaker 6: that is a true price.
Speaker 1: I knew of it and like that cannot be still
Speaker 1: a cone like it looks like real skin Detective now.
Speaker 5: It just comes out. So yeah, it was like it
Speaker 5: was a body double and my belly because.
Speaker 6: I remember because especially because I did it again on
Speaker 6: the other episode. It's basically like you know, it's it's
Speaker 6: made out of like sort of like a foam, you know,
Speaker 6: and it's like a bump, and then you put on
Speaker 6: spanks over it and and that's the look, and then
Speaker 6: they can adjust it depending on how many months they
Speaker 6: want you to be. Like there was I think there
Speaker 6: might have even not like a pillow underneath, but it
Speaker 6: was like they could stuff stuff underneath it to basically
Speaker 6: make it go out further. But yeah, once I put
Speaker 6: it on the second time, I was like, what's happening here?
Speaker 5: This is weird.
Speaker 2: And then another thing we're so curious about within the
Speaker 2: episode is is that a body double?
Speaker 1: Hang?
Speaker 2: I mean you have a tragic murder. Oh you know,
Speaker 2: it's all fun and games and then your hair's a
Speaker 2: ceiling fan.
Speaker 5: Dad.
Speaker 6: My dad is still having trouble unseeing this image. It
Speaker 6: actually is me hanging up there. And the way they
Speaker 6: do it is they basically put you in a harness
Speaker 6: that your clothes and it like holds your feet from
Speaker 6: the bottom, and you know, you just, oh my gosh,
Speaker 6: it was weird, like even for me afterwards, Like, you know,
Speaker 6: I didn't really think much of it because you're acting.
Speaker 5: It's a quick shot, but like afterwards I kind of
Speaker 5: was like I was sort of.
Speaker 6: Like a weird position to be in. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 6: cray perspective for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how long did you have to hang there for
Speaker 3: the scene?
Speaker 6: I think it was pretty quick because it's like they
Speaker 6: just come in and see me there.
Speaker 5: So I mean, at any given time.
Speaker 6: You know, it was probably just a couple of minutes,
Speaker 6: Like we try to shoot it out pretty quick.
Speaker 1: So do you have any funny stories from the set
Speaker 1: or like any goss so much.
Speaker 5: Kind of think of anything juicy. I mean, I mean
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 6: Only like probably sixteen when we shot it, So my
Speaker 6: mom was on set with me at the time. And
Speaker 6: my mom is she has like a background in social
Speaker 6: work and you know, a lot of the SVU content stuff,
Speaker 6: and I remember like Marishima Hargetty's.
Speaker 5: Lines in that scene.
Speaker 6: She had like triple the lines and it was so
Speaker 6: wordy that even she was like, can we cut this down?
Speaker 6: You know, She's like, oh, you're line for support, you know,
Speaker 6: food stamps, and like it just kept going on and
Speaker 6: on and on, and my mom.
Speaker 5: Like kind of chimes in.
Speaker 6: She's like, you know, I don't want to interrupt, but
Speaker 6: actually some of this is factually incorrect.
Speaker 5: Actually the writers are with her. The writers are with
Speaker 5: my mom.
Speaker 6: Like, oh okay, tell us, tell us. So I was like, well,
Speaker 6: actually you know what would happen is this, this and this,
Speaker 6: and they're like okay, okay. They literally took my mom's notes,
Speaker 6: which is hilarious. And surely after that, you know, I
Speaker 6: started going to these things on my own, of course,
Speaker 6: but you know, at the time, you know, and again
Speaker 6: also everyone was so sweet to her, like, you know,
Speaker 6: they gave for like a little director's chair to sit in,
Speaker 6: and but they legit took my mom's notes.
Speaker 3: I hope she got a consultant with me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, she might be owned that.
Speaker 3: Were you embarrassed or were you into it?
Speaker 6: I was super embarrassed, super embarrassed, like, oh my god, Mom,
Speaker 6: please stop.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: But in the in the end, I think I think
Speaker 6: Hargeta was pretty relieved because it helped cut down some
Speaker 6: of the tongue twisters that she'd been trying to get out.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Jess, having a awesome rest of
Speaker 1: your day, so fun.
Speaker 5: Thank you. It was awesome.
Speaker 3: That was incredible.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what a dream, What a treat.
Speaker 2: I like that every gives us what we want to hear,
Speaker 2: which is that Mariska is an angel on earth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and everybody, I mean everybody has that. We've heard
Speaker 1: sus a well oiled machine. It's a family, it's a community.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, Lisa, I just can't believe you couldn't
Speaker 1: get it together to hand that paper to somebody and
Speaker 1: just get a small part on the show. You could
Speaker 1: have been eating lunch feet away from Marishka targeted.
Speaker 2: This needs to be caught the most successful podcast in
Speaker 2: the world, and that we'll get.
Speaker 1: That's pretty much did Yeah, we did that for this reason.
Speaker 1: I'm like trying to get we're playing the long game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we could play like jew Evil Sisters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or I would even be like arguing with you
Speaker 1: walking down the street and.
Speaker 3: We like, see that hang out of a bush.
Speaker 2: I also loved hearing that Jess was really hanging from
Speaker 2: the ceiling fan.
Speaker 3: Yes, and the body double, I got that. Oh that
Speaker 3: was so good. But and I thought there was a
Speaker 3: body double for the hanging and no man. And I'm
Speaker 3: glad her dad was what's it called tortured by it?
Speaker 3: And what did you that her.
Speaker 1: Dad like, can't get the image out of his head?
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably torture by it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I want to say my number one lesson that I
Speaker 2: would like to give to everyone for this post mortem
Speaker 2: is get an abortion.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What I don't understand in the real town and in
Speaker 2: the fake town, all of it. Yeah, it's these kids
Speaker 2: being like I never thought of anything else.
Speaker 3: I'm horrified.
Speaker 1: And when Olivia Benson tells you here's X y Z,
Speaker 1: like twenty reasons why this is not a good idea, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like running to plan parenthood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just please encourage people to get abortions. You
Speaker 2: don't need to have a baby at sixteen. And it's
Speaker 2: just tough for me because I sound extra judgmental and
Speaker 2: crazy because I just don't want to have children and
Speaker 2: I never have had the urge, so sometimes I just
Speaker 2: truly don't understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I understand that. And it's just like, if
Speaker 1: you think that it's not going to completely alter your
Speaker 1: life when you're sixteen and seriously hinder a lot of
Speaker 1: your dreams, you're crazy.
Speaker 2: Because we know adults that are getting having babies and
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, this bitch is not going.
Speaker 3: To handle it. Oh yeah, this bitch does not know
Speaker 3: what she's about to get into it.
Speaker 1: But people in their mid thirties where I'm like, this
Speaker 1: isn't going to go. Well, yeah, I mean, you're a
Speaker 1: great mother, thank you. I love watching you parent. It's
Speaker 1: like you're organized as hell.
Speaker 2: You plan everything, you keep you keep track of the foods,
Speaker 2: when are they napping, what's going on, And still it's
Speaker 2: a nightmare.
Speaker 3: You're the most prepared person. You're on top of it,
Speaker 3: and we basically.
Speaker 1: Just observing a nightmare the whole time.
Speaker 3: Because your kids.
Speaker 2: Are so cute, well you're k yeah, like Rosie's so cute,
Speaker 2: but it's still I walk I watched her just walk
Speaker 2: into a hot tub.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's wearing floaties. Everybody.
Speaker 2: We have to give another lesson, don't cyber bully teens.
Speaker 2: If you're a grown up, yeah, even if you're a teen.
Speaker 2: If you're a teen, don't do it. But if you're
Speaker 2: a grown up, especially, don't do it.
Speaker 1: Also, don't go for a white guy named Dezzer who's
Speaker 1: like trying to be a DJ and like a player. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta just stay with Steer clear of dessert.
Speaker 3: Do not date them, do not fuck them.
Speaker 2: They will not pay child support, right, yeah, don't do that.
Speaker 2: And don't don't use your black scent to a black
Speaker 2: police officer to try to get friendly with them.
Speaker 3: They won't like it. They're not gonna like it.
Speaker 1: And I'd say, steer clear of the abstinence club in
Speaker 1: high school if your high school even has one, Come on,
Speaker 1: could they be more boring these people?
Speaker 2: I do have to admit that in high school, I
Speaker 2: try to start a no smoking club because I was
Speaker 2: anti cigarettes, which.
Speaker 1: Is Lisa, I am dying.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I asked all these teachers, I'm like, will you be
Speaker 2: the teacher sponsor to my no smoking club?
Speaker 3: And every teacher was like, They're like, I'll let you
Speaker 3: know after my cigarette break. That is so funny.
Speaker 1: You're like our virgin lungs. Like you're like the same
Speaker 1: thing as a chastity club.
Speaker 2: But I was smoking Newport's junior year, so like, I
Speaker 2: don't understand what I was thinking.
Speaker 3: And that's the same with abstinence.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know my senior I mean, I'm not
Speaker 2: really an academic and I went to a weird evangelical college,
Speaker 2: so it wasn't that hard. But my senior paper and
Speaker 2: everything was about the concept of virginity absence only education,
Speaker 2: and virginity is not real women. Sex is not for
Speaker 2: somebody like fuck to have a good time. Do not
Speaker 2: be abstinent unless you really want to.
Speaker 3: I don't know, unless that's what's in your heart, I guess.
Speaker 3: But they're tricking you.
Speaker 2: They're tricking you, and you're thinking, like teen Dick is
Speaker 2: going to change your life or it's just it's taught weird,
Speaker 2: it's awful. I don't know, it's just too much shame,
Speaker 2: it's just too much. I just I'll tell you something.
Speaker 1: Teen Dick then never done changed anybody's life in a
Speaker 1: good way.
Speaker 2: No, So I think that's we're putting that on a
Speaker 2: T shirt. That's a merch. That's a merch. That is
Speaker 2: a merch. I'd yeah, we learned Debbie maysar a queen
Speaker 2: of the world.
Speaker 1: Yes, Debbie Mays are untouchable, Madonna's best friend untouchable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love her.
Speaker 3: It's so great.
Speaker 2: And at the end, you know, if all else fails,
Speaker 2: your ex boyfriend who has burned to death's dad might
Speaker 2: help you out.
Speaker 3: Oh you forgot about that. That was sweet.
Speaker 1: That was a sweet ending. That was a sweet ending.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and don't let don't peer pressure sucks. Do not
Speaker 2: get peer pressured by your friends to get pregnant. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is a dark one, but not dark.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: This was fun. No, I mean, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: what happened in real life was many of them had
Speaker 1: the kids, but a few of them got abortions. I'd
Speaker 1: love to talk to both sides and see who's having
Speaker 1: a better time.
Speaker 2: No, the abortion parent, they hid their kids. They were like,
Speaker 2: you're not talking to my kids. We're not too pressed.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The only ones that probably did press are the ones
Speaker 2: that had the baby because they need some money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like I don't know what they got from
Speaker 1: like that Amazon doc. You and I paid for it,
Speaker 1: but I don't know how many other people are bringing
Speaker 1: for it. Anyway, that's our post mortem for today's episode. Guys,
Speaker 1: I hope you take everything you learn there and you can.
Speaker 3: Have sex as a team.
Speaker 2: Just wear a condom, yeah, make sure it's for your
Speaker 2: pleasure and not with a dizzer.
Speaker 1: Never with a dizzer. Okay, and now it is time
Speaker 1: for a WWSPD what would Sister peg do? Where we
Speaker 1: direct you towards resources information that have to do with
Speaker 1: the topic that we tackled in today's episode. Obviously teen pregnancy,
Speaker 1: something that we talked very thoroughly about, and we would
Speaker 1: like to have everybody obviously check out Planned Parenthood. A
Speaker 1: lot of misconceptions about Planned Parenthood that they're only about abortions.
Speaker 1: They actually provide a myriad of medical services for women
Speaker 1: that are extremely important. I am a super proud supporter
Speaker 1: of Planned Parenthood. I donate in Mike Pence's name every
Speaker 1: single month. So just go to www dot planned parenthood
Speaker 1: dot org and check out how you can get more
Speaker 1: information about your local chapter.
Speaker 2: And next week we'll be covering Counterfeit, which is season three,
Speaker 2: episode fourteen. As always, you can watch all of us
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Speaker 1: episode will be about, so that you have like four
Speaker 1: days to do your homework.
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