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Speaker 1: Man, what's handed man? You got Marshaw Bismall Lynch, Doug Hendrickson.

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Speaker 2: And Gavin Knewsome and you're listening to politics you know

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Speaker 2: to be you known to be.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 3: Doug, Doug Marshawn, what was that? I mean, it's been

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Speaker 3: about a week or so. What was the experience like

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Speaker 3: going into San Quent, Doug. I think it was the

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Speaker 3: first time you've been inside San Quentin, right.

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Speaker 4: It was eye opening, and it was it was enlightening

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Speaker 4: because I truthfully, when I went there, I expected to,

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Speaker 4: you know, a much much different perspective than I thought.

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Speaker 4: I mean when I got there, seeing these these inmates

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Speaker 4: and prisoners who literally the programs that San Quentin had

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Speaker 4: and their mindset that you know, yeah, incarcerated if or

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Speaker 4: if they don't get out or they get out, to

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Speaker 4: have the programs in place to have these guys' life

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Speaker 4: change in terms of uh, their mindset was so enlightening.

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Speaker 4: I did not expect to meet the sixty seventy eighty

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Speaker 4: and it blew me away.

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Speaker 1: I bet.

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Speaker 3: I mean one of the things I imagine if you've

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Speaker 3: never been there, and I remember the first time I

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Speaker 2: What really surprised me is.

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Speaker 3: That you can walk into the yard and there are

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Speaker 3: hundreds and hundreds of prisoners, and folks can walk right.

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Speaker 2: Up to you.

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Speaker 3: You can talk. I mean, we were talking to lifers.

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Speaker 3: We were talking to folks that may never see the

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Speaker 3: light of day, and they're all out there in the yard.

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Speaker 3: People seem to be getting along. They're willing. I mean

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Speaker 3: they're willing. The guards are willing to allow you to

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Speaker 3: walk around. I mean, was that something you had anticipated.

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Speaker 3: You thought it would be a little bit more organized.

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Speaker 4: I thought you'd see, honestly, I thought you'd see the

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Speaker 4: Hispanics in one side the blacks. I thought you'd see

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Speaker 4: the segregation in terms of the prisoners like you see

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Speaker 4: in the movies. But to see these guys walk up,

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Speaker 4: and how appreciative they were that we were there, how

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Speaker 4: had the programs that they have, uh and all the

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Speaker 4: things that they're allowed to do, to walk freely and

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Speaker 4: to take part in you know, math programs in the

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Speaker 4: they're doing. Was was completely eye opening to me in

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Speaker 2: Marshawn, you ever met a warden like that?

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Speaker 1: Nah?

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Speaker 2: That wasn't the kind of warden you expect.

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Speaker 1: But but but the thing, the biggest thing that stuck out,

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Speaker 1: I remember he used to come run up in my

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Speaker 1: So while you're doing it, that's that's that takes less

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Speaker 1: you're hear so many times about you know, in prison,

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Speaker 3: And what's so special about this war love what I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think that distinction that you just made and I

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Speaker 3: we're both we're both doing time together. I mean this

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Speaker 2: Of guards, not all of them.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're doing a lot of reforms and not

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Speaker 3: everybody's on board, but a lot of of the guards

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Speaker 2: But I think what's.

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Speaker 3: Special about this warden is he has his own lived

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Speaker 4: Well, before I get to that, Gvin, I mean just

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Speaker 4: twenty years whatever. If to understand that when you put

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Speaker 4: To be able to live in those conditions and think

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Speaker 5: Husband, as whatever it may be. Go forward? It's mind blown.

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Speaker 4: So I mean a kudos to San Quentin because these

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Speaker 4: ones that don't, their mindset is the right way, which

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Speaker 4: is pretty cool to see.

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Speaker 5: Uh. To walk to death Row was eerie.

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Speaker 4: My hair raising on my arms. It was really really

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Speaker 5: What are you gonna do?

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and I applaud you for doing what you've

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Speaker 6: That's what we're trying to change, exactly what you're saying.

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Speaker 6: The opposition would say this is a public safety, But

436
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 6: it's absolutely public safety because we're making citizens here, right,

437
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 6: people that we put back in our community and have

438
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Speaker 6: trades degrees to get back to our community. So it

439
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 6: is public safety and that's what some people are struggling

440
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 6: to realize.

441
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Speaker 3: And I think one of the things just a good

442
00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 3: reminder everybody folks in our system end up home and

443
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,679
Speaker 3: you want them broken, more pissed off, or do you

444
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,159
Speaker 3: want them to be more resourceful, more fully and you

445
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 3: want them to be your neighbors. You gotta think in

446
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Speaker 3: those terms.

447
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Speaker 6: Who was I talking recently? I was talking to an

448
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 6: old Mexican mafia guy and he says, Uh, this guy

449
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 6: was running the yard and he had he had a date.

450
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 6: He goes, hey, man, I got a date. Can I

451
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 6: stop politicking? And that leadership in the Mexican mafia basically

452
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 6: allowed that and said, yeah, you've always done your work

453
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Speaker 6: for us. Don't mess with them now with the gangser's power,

454
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 6: So now you're not going to always get that type

455
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 6: of thread line or Okay, so yeah, there's there's prison

456
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 6: politics that we could write a book.

457
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Speaker 1: So you know what that sounded like to me because

458
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Speaker 1: I asked this mufflucker, Hey, why you're gonna run for president?

459
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 1: And then it was an order just like what you

460
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Speaker 1: just demonstrated right now, it's an order or how you

461
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: feel me, how they rock? And I'm like, oh shit,

462
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: so when you politicking, you really dealing with some real politics.

463
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: And I'm like, shit, go run for president, like for

464
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: we could stop the podcast.

465
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Speaker 3: Of all the things that I've done as governor, the

466
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 3: one thing I wasn't prepared for was this space. I mean,

467
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 3: when you're campaigning out there, no one asked me what

468
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 3: my relationship or with prison reform was. They talked about

469
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 3: criminal justice reform more broadly. We did not didn't understand

470
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Speaker 3: the nature of debriefing. That never came up. There was

471
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Speaker 3: no white paper that I had.

472
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Speaker 5: I don't know what a.

473
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Speaker 3: Gang debrief was. I didn't fully appreciate the parole process

474
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Speaker 3: and didn't understand all of these nuances. But every single

475
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 3: week I have life or death decisions. Literally, no bullshit.

476
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Speaker 1: When you're looking at that, what is it in your mind? Like, Okay,

477
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Speaker 1: if I see these type of.

478
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Speaker 3: It's exactly what we just heard right there. As you want,

479
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 3: you can kind of talk away. I want to know

480
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 3: the journey. I want to know that it's sincere, it's

481
00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 3: not bullshit. I want to know that you didn't just

482
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 3: go into some program just to quote unquote get a check,

483
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 3: so you just stack in those checks to come to me.

484
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 3: I want to know that you feel remorse, that you

485
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 3: feel for the victims, that you have a relationship to

486
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Speaker 3: the victims, because at the end of the day, we

487
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 3: I think what happens when we have these conversations. People

488
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 3: see it as it's it's right or wrong, black or white.

489
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 3: You spend time with the folks that are incarcerated, it

490
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 3: means somehow you're taking away from the families and the

491
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Speaker 3: victims and I and that's important to me that that

492
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 3: has to be both. And you've got to come out

493
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Speaker 3: feeling deeply responsible, accountable, remorseful, and you've got to come

494
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 3: back as stronger person. And if you if you have that,

495
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 3: if you have empathy, you have care. I have some

496
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 3: goddamn compassion and you could demonstrate that, then that's determinative

497
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Speaker 3: in terms of.

498
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Speaker 2: The people that we let go.

499
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Speaker 3: Otherwise, if I feel just a it's instinctual sometimes and

500
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Speaker 3: it's just immediately rejection.

501
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Speaker 1: When you just look at the name, like Marshaan Lanche.

502
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Speaker 2: You know what, That's what every governor used to do.

503
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Speaker 1: When I go fill out job applications, they.

504
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Speaker 2: The name alone.

505
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Speaker 3: By the way, you see that, that's a real thing.

506
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

507
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Speaker 2: But let me let me tell you, let me tell

508
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: you negotiate.

509
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 3: It's only been since Governor Brown had gotten the previous

510
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 3: governors Democrats, not just Republicans, they rejected every single Parole

511
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Speaker 3: Board recommendation.

512
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Speaker 2: They didn't even look at it.

513
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 3: And then they would look at the name, or worse,

514
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 3: they'd look at a picture and they go they look

515
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 3: and see if someone's got tatted up, Like no, he's gone,

516
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 3: I'm no bullshit. And and then race was a determinative

517
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 3: damn factor for on getting in here and getting out

518
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 3: of here. So I don't see pictures, I don't care

519
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 3: about the name. I quite literally look at the journey

520
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 3: people are on, and I look, we have a risk

521
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 3: assessment a psychologist. I look at the programming. When did

522
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 3: they debrief from the Mexican mafia. It's been ten years.

523
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 3: Are they cleaning sober? Because most folks out and a

524
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 3: lot of them, and they fuck things up because they

525
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: start using again even though they're parole eligible. They've done

526
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 3: everything right and they were dumb enough to go back.

527
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Speaker 3: And I figure they're dumb enough to do that. Here,

528
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 3: they're gonna dumb enough to end up back on the

529
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Speaker 3: goddamn streets and back in the pond.

530
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Speaker 5: You because I know, I know, I know how you

531
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Speaker 5: like that.

532
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Speaker 1: Free the game.

533
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Speaker 3: But I know we're gonna tell them, by the way,

534
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 3: in a minute, we're gonna talk about the goddamn death penalty.

535
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Speaker 2: How about that on your concha? How about that on

536
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: your conte?

537
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: Like, just let the motherfucker sit down and do their time.

538
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, what is that you was talking about

539
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: in the movies and ship like? But the movies, I'll

540
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: be saying they were fucking people will like with the uh,

541
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 1: the the gas chambers and all those kind of ships, Like,

542
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,239
Speaker 1: who go and think about creating some ship like that?

543
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: The fuck people, that's some sick ship.

544
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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's pretty sick that we tell people

545
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Speaker 3: it's wrong to kill, and so in the name are

546
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 3: in somehow in the spirit of saying it's wrong to kill,

547
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 3: we kill people premeditated man, and we kill broken people.

548
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 2: Man.

549
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 3: One thing everybody has in common. They come in here,

550
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: they're broken, they're broken some way, shape or form. And

551
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 3: then the idea that we're killing broken people as a

552
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: society systemically, and that was something by the way, broken

553
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 3: people killing broken pit And so the question is, yeah,

554
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 3: who's broken. If I'm sitting there, I think there's a

555
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: dozen there's a couple dozen guys that were on sand

556
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 3: here in San quin eligible for me to put them

557
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 3: to death, that that had gone through all their all

558
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 3: their appeals and every sing and no I could have overseen.

559
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 3: I could have overseen dozens of things. And that had

560
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: been on my watch. Man, Like you decide, you'll go,

561
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: and when we go in the ejection room, you'll see

562
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 3: the damn phone. You'll see the phone right there, and

563
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 3: that's the governor's phone for the last phone call. And

564
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 3: if there's no call, I mean that's on your that's

565
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 3: on your conscience.

566
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: Man, I couldn't live.

567
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 3: So if you don't call the governor has the ability

568
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 3: at those last minutes, reprieve and comye. I mean it's

569
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 3: it's that's their life or death to say so. I

570
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: did a moratorium. When I got here, I said, I

571
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 3: can't do it. I just I'm not that guy. I

572
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 3: can't do it. I talked to Swartz and Agria was

573
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 3: the last guy that to condempted him in two thousand

574
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 3: and six, and he didn't. He said this very publicly,

575
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 3: and it's not a knock on Arnold at all. He

576
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 3: said it it was last time that was used, right,

577
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 3: Warne was two thousand and six.

578
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well who was it?

579
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 3: It was Ray Allen and Ray was a legendary guy

580
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 3: for a lot of different reasons. And I asked, I said,

581
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 3: I asked Arnold because I had just done the moratorium.

582
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 3: And I said, you know, I said, how was?

583
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,719
Speaker 2: How was? Just as a human level? And again I

584
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: only share this.

585
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 3: Because he's repeated publicly, and he said he said to me, no,

586
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 3: you know, he said, well, I'll give you the asked that.

587
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: He said, you know, you know.

588
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: You know, you know Givin's you know, I slept like

589
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: a baby, he said, he slept like a baby. I'm

590
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 3: like whoa. And honestly, that like that hit me in

591
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 3: intense way. He slept like a bit you know what,

592
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: and some way like I respect that he did and

593
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: he was serious about it. I couldn't. I'm not that guy.

594
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 3: I'm not wired like that. I couldn't do that. And

595
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 3: so that that was a heavy weight that also led

596
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: to this California model. It's one thing to do a moratorium,

597
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 3: but we got to do a more torum on stupidity,

598
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 3: doubling down on stupid and the recidiveum rates that are

599
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 3: off the damn charts. People are less safe as a

600
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: consequence of our stupidity, and we needed to start doing

601
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 3: program but at scale, not ones, he too, not little

602
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 3: small ball stuff. And the great thing about San Quentin

603
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 3: and Wardon was saying this is it's so proximate, and

604
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 3: proximity is a powerful word, just generally. And that's why

605
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: I keep coming back to the prisons because I want

606
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 3: to be proximate to what's happening inside so I make

607
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 3: better decisions on the outside. But the proximity here and

608
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: what I'm relating to is so many people that want

609
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 3: to volunteer, and it's one of the reasons this is

610
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: a service rich environment, and why I wanted to change

611
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: that environment at scale by investing in this California model

612
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 3: at a whole nother level where successfully is clues. If

613
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 3: we can prove it here, we can then lay this

614
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 3: thing out, lay the tracks for forming the rest of

615
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 3: the system. This is the biggest system in the United

616
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 3: States of America, with the largest deskwall in the Western hemisphere.

617
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 3: We have more prisoners in our system than any other

618
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 3: state in America. If we can change it here, Warden's power.

619
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 3: If you can change it here, the paradigm that you

620
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 3: shift in this country with five percent of the world's

621
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 3: population but twenty five percent of the people that are incarcerated.

622
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Speaker 1: How much does it cost to house take care?

623
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Speaker 3: What's the latest number? We were at one hundred and

624
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 3: six thousand two years ago.

625
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: What are we up to this year?

626
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 6: I think it's about one.

627
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, per poseous, you got the motherfucking fifth largest economy in.

628
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 3: But you know what world you want to put me

629
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 3: in the mix?

630
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Speaker 2: You are you're gonna be our budget director. God, and

631
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Speaker 2: you want to know why. You want to know why.

632
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 3: But you you were talking out in the yard, Marshaan.

633
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 3: Now you want to have a real conversation. You want

634
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 3: to know what. You want to know why. You want

635
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 3: to know what the contracts are to make phone calls here.

636
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: You want to know what the racket is there. You

637
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 3: want to know what the procurement racket is in the

638
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 3: prison industries and how people are making a fortune oft

639
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 3: incarcerating people. You want to know what's going with private

640
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 3: prisons in this country that are incentivizing more folks being

641
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: locked up for longer periods.

642
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: And making a fortune.

643
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 3: And the lobbyists and the lobbyists that are being hired

644
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 3: and the lives that are being destroyed so people can

645
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: make money. That's goddamn right. That is a huge part

646
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 3: of this whole thing, a huge part of it. Don't

647
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 3: think for a second you're wrong about that. Everything you

648
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 3: say we're in the yard was spot on. People are

649
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 3: selling you fear and anxiety, and that's what this is about,

650
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 3: fear and anxiety. It's fear based and it's fueled by anger.

651
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: And it's understandable because people want to be safe and

652
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 3: they want and I get that, and victims need to

653
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 3: be respected and we need to connect them. I think

654
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: we need to connect to that much more. But this

655
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 3: has become a racket, and breaking up this racket is

656
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: hard and the opposition is real, and it's not about politics.

657
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: Democrats are careful, bro, because when you get to talking

658
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: like that stern and all that type of motherfucker they be,

659
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: they be creeping and ship. Man, Hey, look well you

660
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: just I just rolled over here with you. I like

661
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: I said, I like I like living. I like baking up,

662
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: brushing my teeth after long nights and getting some oasis,

663
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: tearing ship down. But the truth is I like living.

664
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: And you know what you are, hot boy. You was

665
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: talking about the gang this year. I tell him they

666
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: got the red and the blue, red and red with

667
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: the politics ship. So he familiar with gang coaching, you

668
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Just how you broke it.

669
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: I hope you all heard what he just said.

670
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: Man, you know he talks about it. Know you you

671
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: can probably you could probably give me some insights. So

672
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: when he turned his mic off and all of that,

673
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: we get rid of him. Then I need to high.

674
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: Don't talk about it, man. Yeah, so you let me.

675
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 3: Every time we talked about gang stuff, he said, don't

676
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: talk to me about gang stuff.

677
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: How about the gang you're in out there in politics? Yeah, sious,

678
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: like nothing says it right it.

679
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: Is look here brown zero. They started them gangs. They

680
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: separated this ship and then they started conquering. We was like,

681
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: which one is you? You the blue or the real one.

682
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: You was over here and was like, all right, we're

683
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: gonna take all this. They're gonna take all this and

684
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: then now hold on, well we want this with nah.

685
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: So then y'all politics spilled over into us. It was like, well, ship,

686
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna go get the motherfuckers and bring them over

687
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: here and have them go to work, and this ship

688
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: woo woo dann. You had to like, na, we want

689
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: to free them, Like hell no, we don't want to

690
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: freem Like, well, we're gonna put up what's the prison

691
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: up there in New York where they started? So you

692
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: was talking in sentems with the the how to get

693
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: the gualla for the what you call them inmate nam

694
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: incarcerated incarcerat so how you get to get the guala

695
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: for them? It was like, well, ship, if we go

696
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: out and we catch all of them, then we just

697
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: gonna get it up here on the front end for

698
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: bringing them. Then we're gonna get it on the back

699
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: end because we're gonna send them back down. So y'all,

700
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: the whole gang. You fear me though, the damn y'all,

701
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: that's crazy when you say it like that, because then

702
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: you start looking at individuals that look like me, and

703
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: then it's like we're product. Fuck wheretty sick motherfuckers that

704
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: be thinking like this to be doing that type of ships.

705
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: You should then you're angry, man.

706
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: I know, politician, but I need to get one of them.

707
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: Now you're getting in the deeper conversations about it. And

708
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 3: there's nothing more true about the system. That it is

709
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 3: better to be rich and guilty than then poor and innocent.

710
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,959
Speaker 3: Is a damn fact. Rich and guilty, you're better off

711
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 3: than poor and innocent. And that's a fuck ub system.

712
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 3: And that is perpetuated and it has been for decades

713
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 3: and decades, not everywhere.

714
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: I'm not naive.

715
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 3: I'm not casting as persions on people trapped in this

716
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 3: damned system, but it is a system that has evolved

717
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: over time. You had, I mean, we have vestiges of

718
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 3: slavery here in the prison system. We had convictly seen

719
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 3: after eighteen sixty convict leasing, where they were literally taking

720
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 3: the incarcerated and folks in the private sector were basically

721
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 3: getting them for ten cents an hour, and literally the

722
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 3: prisons were making money off the backs of folks that

723
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: otherwise were previously enslaved. I mean there's serious stuff, segregation

724
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 3: and lynching, everything that's gone on for decades and decades

725
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 3: have been institutionalized. And I hate when these assholes, these

726
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 3: politicians that aren't aproximate to anything, never been in systems

727
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 3: like this, never been in communities where you probably start

728
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 3: talking about all this, they don't know what they're talking about.

729
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if they just serve their community, right, this

730
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: is the thing about the politician, like, if they there

731
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: to serve the community, and shit, I really just be

732
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: seeing them just go stack up coins and then they

733
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: just mobbing, like you feel me? I know, we don't,

734
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, we don't. We don't talk

735
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: about dog. That's what we're gonna We're just gonna call

736
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: him dog or folks. But you know what I mean.

737
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: I heard him say like, if y'all wan't fucking change change,

738
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 1: want me to pay tax, change the laws, but you're

739
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: not gonna do that because it's gonna affect you. Feel

740
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: me though, something bigger than what y'all are willing to

741
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: talk about So y'all just gonna let me say this

742
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, he ain't he ain't talking about shit,

743
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: But ain't nobody gonna go and really looking to these

744
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: tax laws that he talking about and start changing shit.

745
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: Because I mean, at the end of the day, that comment,

746
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: you just you know, I don't let you say a

747
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: lot of shit, but I really fuck with that one,

748
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: that one you tell you rich and guilty.

749
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, rich and guilty and poor in innocent.

750
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 3: So I mean it's oftentimes it's race more than culpability.

751
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: And I didn't get that was I didn't even get

752
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: in the race there.

753
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: I was talking about wealth, but then we get into

754
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 3: race and that becomes more of a factor than culpability

755
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 3: in terms of sentencing. And it's I don't think this,

756
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 3: we know this, This is not this is it is

757
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 3: like that the guy we just met, he said, this

758
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 3: is just math.

759
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: It's it's just fact. It's a fact.

760
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you right now, this is why I'm this.

761
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: This shit is just came right on time. Man, I'm black.

762
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: Because the thing is, like I was telling you, like

763
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: that was an opportunity and it didn't come from me.

764
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: It came from somebody who's been in here for twenty

765
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: seven years, and he gave you the same ism that

766
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,479
Speaker 1: I gave you when we was hollering. So you see

767
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: that from twenty seven years ago when he was outside,

768
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: it's the same shit probably where he looking at it

769
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: like it's turned up a little more. And what he

770
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: was talking about the fact that I got a little

771
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: bit of that was if I was outside, I could

772
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: run down to the rect Center where I didn't need

773
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: no sign up or nothing. I was a kid, Hey,

774
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: come in here, you know deeds to play wool whoop,

775
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: and you do something wrong, you get your ass whooped there,

776
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna call your house or take you

777
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: home to your mama, and then you're gonna get another

778
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: ass whooping there. That sense of community, that sense of

779
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: community is lost now that is no longer there.

780
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: That's I hear you.

781
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: That's that's that's a that's a problem. But it just

782
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: sounded like to the point when I think about it,

783
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: in y'all community, you feel me, y'all, don't worry about

784
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: no type of ship like that because everything else.

785
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 5: I mean, we don't. I mean, to be honest with you,

786
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 5: we've been blessed and it's not right.

787
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sure like it's a good or a bad thing.

788
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: I'm just saying as far as are like problems, right,

789
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: this is a huge issue going home not knowing if

790
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: tonight I'm going eat And that's just like that's serious though, right,

791
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: because you think about when you come home, like yeah,

792
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 1: I just had school or whatever, like damn, moms ain't here. Fuck,

793
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: we ain't got no the lights ain't on. Damn. I

794
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: just hope and just pray that it's gonna be at

795
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: least a peanut butter sandwich or a syrup soundwich or

796
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: you feel me though, I hope it's some spam in

797
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: a like and you come home to not team your

798
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 1: stomach started doing that, putting that hole on you, choking

799
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: the shit out you, like, what the hold on? I

800
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: can't I'm about to die. I gotta survive what I'm

801
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: gonna do. I'm a kid. Ain't nobody there ain't nobody

802
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: to say, hey, look, hold on, fin the you know

803
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: what I mean, make this wish sandwich? You fear me though,

804
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: or whatever, And it's now I gotta go outside and

805
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: get something to eat. How I don't know, But what

806
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: I seen or what I heard, and that one home

807
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: rey night leads you into a situation like this was

808
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I just wanted a piece of his

809
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: chicken and he turned and I By the.

810
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 5: Way, it's it's such a powerful thing to say.

811
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 4: And most people in the world and everything about that,

812
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 4: they think, why this guy do this?

813
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 5: What happened here?

814
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: They have no idea that.

815
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: Board, right, and you looking at that paperwork. The paperwork

816
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: ain't gonna say that. It's not gonna say that, this

817
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: is why this kid was here and did what. He's

818
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: not gonna say that. And then you're looking at that

819
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: paper and I'm not saying you personally, but they get

820
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: that paper and they look at that name and it's

821
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: I throw that motherfucker. Or if they get that paper

822
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: they look at that picture and they throw that motherfucker.

823
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: Or they get that paperwork and they look at the

824
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: black and white on it in this it won't say that.

825
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: But how do we get to it? Explain that? And

826
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: then from the ship that do really do be going

827
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: on to who is a fucked up situation?

828
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 2: Well, I mean you're right, I mean.

829
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 3: The file I get is everything that happens after that, right,

830
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: and I guess it's just that's the lesson you know

831
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 3: you can It's it's not what happens, it's what you

832
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: do with what happens that determine your fate in future.

833
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 3: And it's it's everything that happened. It's the folks that

834
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: will survive and thrive on the outside are folks that

835
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 3: understand that I can't make up for the past. I'm

836
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 3: not the worst thing I ever did. Just because you

837
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 3: know I stole something doesn't mean I'm a thief, doesn't.

838
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 2: Mean I am a thief.

839
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 5: Uh.

840
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: And those that go on a journey of discovery and

841
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 3: they can demonstrate that, those are the folks that that's

842
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 3: what I read, and that's the journey.

843
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: That I want to support.

844
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 3: And then the work beyond this conversation is the work

845
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 3: about how do I see a different future?

846
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: How do I these things? From the beginning, And I

847
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:02,479
Speaker 2: don't want.

848
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 3: To even bore you with the bullshit politicking or politics

849
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 3: of pre natal goddamn care or zero to three or

850
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 3: early head start or childcare or high quality tutoring and

851
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 3: mentorship and addressing learning disabilities and all the bullshit that

852
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: is real. Where we got to begin at the beginning

853
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 3: to address these cycles of violence, ignorance, and disease. But

854
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 3: both of those things have to happen. But the thing

855
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 3: we're trying to control for here is what we are

856
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 3: responsible for while people are here. And this California modelman

857
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 3: is taking the best ideas from around the rest of

858
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 3: the world and across this country and bringing the bear

859
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: and one of the coolest and most amazing things for me,

860
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: that's revelatory. And I hope you appreciate this, Doug and

861
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 3: Marshaun is we're actually in quite literally one of the

862
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 3: great rehabilitation programs in American history. What San Quentin News

863
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 3: is represented to inmates here for years and years and years,

864
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 3: and the opportunity. I remember we were here just a

865
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 3: few months ago and there was a kid who said,

866
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 3: all is ever since he got into the system, his

867
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 3: dream was to get into this room, he said, and

868
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 3: I swear to God true story. We were sitting he

869
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,959
Speaker 3: was right behind me and he's sitting there and said,

870
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: you know what I finally got here.

871
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: I said, that's amazing. Goes.

872
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 3: No, you know what was amazing is when I had

873
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 3: my byline on San quent News and I said, that's

874
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 3: amazing goes, no, no, you know it was really amazing,

875
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 3: he says. When I called my mom and she got

876
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 3: a copy of it, and she said the words I

877
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: never heard her say in my life, true story, I'm

878
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 3: proud of you. And he said that just it brought

879
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 3: me it, just I'm proud of you.

880
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 1: Do you know what what's crazy is Like I'm saying,

881
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: like I've been up here to visit my pops and shit. Right,

882
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: but as I started to like think about it, memories

883
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: and shit like that ship that you know, I don't

884
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: want to hold in here like I thought about it,

885
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: I said, noam you know what, I've never heard my

886
00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: my pops tell my mother I love you. And then

887
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: I can't even remember if he ever even told me

888
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: some shit like that, you feel me, So it would

889
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: be the little wins like you feel me when you

890
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: get him, like you gotta stack them motherfuckers up? So

891
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: is he here? No, it's not okay, say shit, I

892
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 1: want to get that man out. What's having my boy?

893
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: Right?

894
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: You feel me? But you're like that be a part

895
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: of the like the healing process. Yeah, that's where it started,

896
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: Like ooh shit, I felt something like what the fuck

897
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: just happened. Oh that didn't feel right, but it felt good.

898
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: Oh what the fuck is that?

899
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 3: Like?

900
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: Get that shit off me, typ hold on. But I

901
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: liked it though a little bit. Let me try to

902
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: figure out what's going on. So then those kind of programs, right, Yeah.

903
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 3: I mean that that hit me in a different way

904
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: because all of a sudden, I mean, that guy's on

905
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 3: the path.

906
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 5: And how old was he a recovery? He's a kid, bro,

907
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 5: he was nineteen twenty and.

908
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 3: He's yeah, he's a kid if he was twenty two three,

909
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 3: I mean, the kid and he's gonna be here probably

910
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: a couple of decades, or he may be here the

911
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 3: rest of his goddamn life, may die here if he

912
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 3: doesn't get his ship together. But he's on a different pathway,

913
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 3: And there's power in those words. Man power in the

914
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 3: wordst then what his mom never said to him and

915
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 3: like and here he is sharing.

916
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: It openly to a bunch of folks.

917
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 3: Man, So it goes to your I mean what you

918
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 3: just said about your pops, your mom, those things, it's

919
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 3: a those are powerful, powerful words.

920
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, that's how you going.

921
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: We're going to death row.

922
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: Let's go to death row.

923
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: Wait a second, I'm coming round with that. Yeah, get

924
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: get old.

925
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 3: Get your ass over here, Jesus Christ litterally, my bucking

926
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: little league guy.

927
00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: I told you, I told you it's good, all right? Yeah, absolutely, yeah,

928
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: I woke up.

929
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: That's the best thing I can do. Thanks.

930
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: What so how what? How long you been here now?

931
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: Two years now too? Yeah?

932
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: And you were aware before.

933
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: Season nough for two and a half years, and James

934
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: sounds like three weeks.

935
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: And then I was here before that for almost ten years. Jesus,

936
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: So how much more time.

937
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: Would I go back in FORO in? Two years?

938
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: In two years?

939
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 5: All right?

940
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 2: So that's around the corner.

941
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 7: And you're senior dougka Hey, tell Doug how we know

942
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 7: each other?

943
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah?

944
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 5: Really well literally?

945
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 8: Uh?

946
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 2: Ten season twin city lit.

947
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 3: Bro.

948
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 4: Now, let me ask you a question. I'm telling you

949
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 4: right now. He was a decent player, but you were

950
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 4: much better than he was. I can tell right now.

951
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 6: All right, Hey, he did all right till until he

952
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 6: ran into Kirk Yaeling and broke his arm.

953
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 7: Well there was that, See, Jesus, I mean a guy

954
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 7: who remembers Kurt yealing, I'll feel the sacond based patient.

955
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: Okay, Uh, he was actually one year ahead of men?

956
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 4: Would you be could you have a chance keep going

957
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 4: a plane.

958
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: In high school and college? Yeah? The choices I made right?

959
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 3: But but but when did you start making the crazy choices?

960
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: Quick them? Baseball?

961
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 2: Really?

962
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 3: So these I went from hanging out with guys like

963
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 3: you and others, You're hanging out with guys.

964
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: Like, hey, what do you want to do? Let's go

965
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: get right and.

966
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 5: What are you in here for?

967
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: Btrike?

968
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so you're not You're not getting out, You're

969
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 4: you're right now.

970
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 2: No, he's mean, he's coming up from eating right.

971
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: Now twenty eight and Jesus, I got a five years

972
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: now just for a prison Davor.

973
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 4: Let me ask questions as the crew you have back

974
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 4: in the day, the family are they do they?

975
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 5: Are they involving you now you see him?

976
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: Or is this your family here now?

977
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 5: Or what's your family?

978
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: Mainly here? My friends are here. I've been in throughout life,

979
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: and I'll just struggle in here.

980
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 3: Uh but no, because when I first felt there wasn't

981
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 3: a lot of communications.

982
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 1: The lines are so expensive at the time, and then

983
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:48,439
Speaker 1: everyone has their own life.

984
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 6: You know, they're you know, they're in the mid twenties,

985
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 6: they're trying to start a family in their careers, you know,

986
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 6: and they're still trying to fun.

987
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 3: He knows Hillary, you know Hillary, Okay, okay, crazy, that's crazy,

988
00:47:59,160 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 3: little man.

989
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: So it was the drugs that sort of left that.

990
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, absolutely, you know, it was uh, you know,

991
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: everything once I quit playing ball. And that's that's to

992
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: tell these guys because now I'm coaching on the team.

993
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: Oh you're coaching mentally? Is sitting there? You're looking You're

994
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: played right there over the La Soul.

995
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, is it like you're like, oh

996
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 4: my god, it played little right there and now I'm

997
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 4: right here.

998
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: Yes, everywhere I look. I have a memory. Yeah. But

999
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 1: at the same time, yeah, it's knowing that I'm sober.

1000
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: You know, I went to school five. I mean, he's

1001
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: my house ten minutes.

1002
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 6: The house is about seven minutes.

1003
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 5: I appreciate you keep going.

1004
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 8: What was it a roundable red table around round table pizza?

1005
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was our team right on.

1006
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah that in the court Madero one in the court there.

1007
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: But I guess they put a bank there or something exactly.

1008
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: There's a bank there.

1009
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1010
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting old. Yeah, it's good to see you again.

1011
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: You guys get to go take care.

1012
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 7: Good you look, I mean, the only thing that the

1013
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 7: only way this thing works is you guys make it work, man,

1014
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 7: And the whole idea is I mean, honestly, I'm not exaggerating.

1015
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 7: If we can make what's about to be unveiled on

1016
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 7: the other side of that wall and just tenexting the programming,

1017
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 7: and if if we can see the results of that,

1018
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 7: then we're gonna spread it in every damn prison and

1019
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 7: it's a big goddamn deal.

1020
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: Do you think it's going to be picked up by

1021
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: other states?

1022
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 2: That's the whole idea because everything California does.

1023
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 6: Man, already, wait, thank you, thank you, appreciate it.

1024
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 8: I ain't gonna happen, but I appreciate you, Man, President,

1025
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 8: I appreciate it.

1026
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: Thank you for giving us hope. My name is just

1027
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 2: in my little thanks for everything you do. For appreciate man,

1028
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: Thank you. Uh, we got a lot of work to

1029
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: do here, bro.

1030
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 9: I've been here in my whole dull life, and I've

1031
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 9: never had this much hope.

1032
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 5: I love it in the future for us that's incarcerated people.

1033
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 2: So it's a lot of that.

1034
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: Comes from you and the work you do.

1035
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 8: Appreciate it, brother, that means a lot. Keep it up, brother,

1036
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 8: Keep it up, guys. I'm good brother.

1037
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 5: How you doing.

1038
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 2: You're blessed. I love that.

1039
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: I like that.

1040
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: That's a good attitude. Take care of man Ward.

1041
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 4: How many people were here at one time when this

1042
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 4: thing was fifty twenty years ago, in in death row.

1043
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 10: So we had close to seven hundred, believe seven hundred

1044
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 10: people on death row when I when I got here,

1045
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 10: we had uh we have five over five hundred on

1046
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 10: death row on death row and they've all been moved

1047
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 10: out since.

1048
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 4: Was that the biggest of any state, any state?

1049
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: I would say yes.

1050
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 6: I don't know though those data numbers for sure, but

1051
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 6: I would because as much as we have, you bro.

1052
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 4: And how many people, how many people on a year,

1053
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 4: on a year basis were put to death.

1054
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 6: The people's process is very wrong, so it wouldn't be yearly.

1055
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 6: It would actually be sometimes five.

1056
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 3: Years, five years, So Doug, over the course of just

1057
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 3: the last couple couple months, they've I mean not even

1058
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 3: just a couple of months, I mean over the course

1059
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: of the last couple of years, they've been decommissioning death

1060
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 3: row and doing a risk assessment for everybody aside who

1061
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 3: comes off.

1062
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: But this thing when we start it was completely fooled up.

1063
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: Wow.

1064
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 3: And you know these are you can see these single cells.

1065
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 3: Anytime someone came out.

1066
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 2: Of the cell.

1067
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 3: You can see the cages that they came in right

1068
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 3: over here. We'll go to the yard and you can

1069
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 3: tell me how great that is.

1070
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, you can appreciate the yard differently.

1071
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 5: Yes, Scott Peterson was here.

1072
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: We actually have another horse.

1073
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 6: Segregation was actually iron came up and honor that will

1074
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 6: get it. They were programmers, so they would actually it's

1075
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 6: another building on top and their yard was on top

1076
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 6: of that building, and they were considered.

1077
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 4: Honored, meaning like they were.

1078
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 6: They didn't have any disciplinary issues.

1079
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: Oh god, I gotta work your way up there. I

1080
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: think the most no bullshit.

1081
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 3: The first time I came in, the most alarming thing

1082
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 3: was not what is it behind you? It was just

1083
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 3: seeing people in these things, wow, and going what the

1084
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 3: hell is this? You know, it's like a I mean

1085
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 3: that's this is these by the way, these are all

1086
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 3: going right, they're all going yeah the outside.

1087
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: I yeah, we'll show these guys. You have me selling

1088
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: you guys want to go past each other?

1089
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 5: You go back, you're saying, you're saying there be two

1090
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 5: people in these.

1091
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's one person on top of person on bottom.

1092
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 2: So if we share this cell with somebody else, whenever

1093
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 2: I need to.

1094
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 6: Go to the back of the cell and we go

1095
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 6: back to back, so Gavin would put his chest up

1096
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 6: against the rack.

1097
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 2: I put my chest up against the wall, and we like,

1098
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 2: not back to back, going back to that way, that way,

1099
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

1100
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, back to the bay.

1101
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 11: So it's just the size of the cells in the

1102
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 11: main in the part of the prison tent.

1103
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the same size.

1104
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 12: Yeah, pretty much.

1105
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 2: You got another the buildings doesn't have that bar right

1106
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 2: there against the wall.

1107
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah.

1108
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 5: These were all single cells, right, I mean from death row.

1109
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 12: Yes, they were all sulf Now you make someone have one, right,

1110
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 12: It's funny with me.

1111
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 5: If people were here.

1112
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: Till win one year, till a people once ago, weeks ago,

1113
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 2: they were just.

1114
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 6: Here literally, and some people went to another and two

1115
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 6: together and they ended up selling out to guess it.

1116
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: Okay, but I want to I want to show him

1117
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 2: some of them. Yeah, here's a more seeing Doug, go

1118
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: to the chapel.

1119
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 9: Yeah, please the chapel. Wow, chaplin right there. But I

1120
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 9: thought this was just this was just from death row. Yeah,

1121
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 9: we're just you know, looking up with the bomb wire

1122
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 9: and everything.

1123
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 1: Wow.

1124
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 11: Yeah, and they and they would Chap will be right

1125
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 11: there right, And this should be once twice a day,

1126
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 11: once a week, once a week, once a week, that's it.

1127
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 2: Once a week.

1128
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1129
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 3: Well, and then you probably had your your most talkative

1130
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 3: and may was literally right there in the corner, right.

1131
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1132
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 3: But yeah, if you want these these these cells when

1133
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 3: they're in the Wow, this is crazy. Yeah, no, it's uh,

1134
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 3: the first time I came in here, the most surreal thing, honestly,

1135
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 3: the most serial things. How many people recognize me, like

1136
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 3: almost without exception, and then when they heard your name

1137
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 3: and then just to hear your voices up top, you forget,

1138
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 3: you know.

1139
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, being a mayor being out there

1140
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 2: in public. I mean, that's that's that's.

1141
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: Just it was to me.

1142
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 2: It was a sort of eery experience.

1143
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 4: And again, did the attorneys come in and eating these

1144
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 4: guys in here or is there another area where the

1145
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 4: attorneys come.

1146
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: In and they would go to our visiting area a

1147
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,479
Speaker 1: visitor Yeah, but but so this all.

1148
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 3: At least for the interim, they're gonna take the these

1149
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 3: these out and then they're cleaning them in.

1150
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 2: You're in the rites feels all my cleaner, Yeah.

1151
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 3: Clean up, and the mills start bringing decompressing the general population,

1152
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 3: getting rid of some double bunks and bringing people in here.

1153
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: Oh, you've put prisoners back into here.

1154
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 12: We're gonna redo though, We're gonna, we're gonna if we

1155
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 12: want to change the image. You don't want to associate

1156
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 12: it with what it was. But the single cell is

1157
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 12: very important to a lot of these individuals because, like

1158
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 12: we were talking about, you know, there's some scenarios where

1159
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 12: you really can't choose it, you as.

1160
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 13: We have even these in the same size as the

1161
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 13: main block. Yes, right, two people in the additions all

1162
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 13: there's no business. They're all the same communits correct to

1163
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 13: swe no sweets.

1164
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: I mean there are some things we can do.

1165
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: I think you saw the larger ones down there.

1166
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 6: You know, we want to make kitchen ads and areas

1167
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 6: where they we'll get you know, microwaving through. We're gonna

1168
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 6: do different things to normalize.

1169
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: Good time there.

1170
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 2: We walked through there, so we're gonna just quickly show

1171
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 2: them into the yard.

1172
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 6: Yes, they've evolved a long time. They're currently called individual

1173
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 6: exercise guards. It's proper.

1174
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: But as you can see, it's pretty much just do so.

1175
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 3: For the condemned inmates that come here for their quote

1176
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 3: unquote exercise. But we're read of Marshall all this is

1177
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 3: gone and so we're gonna have this for program, for yard,

1178
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 3: for whatever else didn't move September DA.

1179
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 1: So you're gonna see, like, bro, you act like you

1180
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: on what's that home home renovation? Oh yeah, and this

1181
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: right here, this used to be my single cell incarcerated area.

1182
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tear it down. And I'm like, man,

1183
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put a something right here with a gauz

1184
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: z bo and ship like what you're talking about? Man,

1185
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: you need to kick his ass up out of here.

1186
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: You just walking around this motherfucker like a grown man

1187
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: at uh Disney World or something not Disney World.

1188
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 2: Brother, this I just for years we've been talking about this.

1189
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 2: It's finally happening. It's a big deal.

1190
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: So do you understand what it do to me? Like

1191
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm not like you know, I watched Ship. I see

1192
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: Ship and then it it fucked with me.

1193
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 4: And just so.

1194
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like I don't want to

1195
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: keep getting reminded of that ship, Like get it. I

1196
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: get I get unless, but look, if we going there,

1197
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: me and you and the gloves, then I'll go in there.

1198
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: What's that? What the two of us don't mean the

1199
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: don't be in there with you for like forty five seconds,

1200
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 1: just me and you. You could lock the door, locked

1201
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: it on, give you the he is that clean?

1202
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 2: Just blackout?

1203
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 9: Damn damn grind And I wake up in Marine General Hospital.

1204
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: Like, no, we're gonna take you to We're gonna take

1205
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: you to Highland. We'll get to We'll get to the hospital.

1206
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: Christ full manice back down here right if you don't

1207
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: have to go, We're gonna you want to see the

1208
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: gas chamber and say, hell no, I really don't want

1209
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: to see that, sick ass. But who the fuck be stinking.

1210
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 8: Ship like, because it's important to understand it's not the

1211
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 8: barbaric nature of the past, So.

1212
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: Don't they want to write that motherfucker up right now?

1213
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: It's just my day that I'm here. I want to

1214
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: make sure that should work.

1215
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 3: It's on the outside.

1216
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 2: It's literally outside.

1217
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: You no my history, dude, ship, who would be making

1218
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: your mind even thinking? I just wonder if I just

1219
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: put somebody in this little place and just put on

1220
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: this gash in it and wonder what they would happen

1221
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: to him? Why would you want to do that?

1222
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 2: That's this is the ald Gaston, not when we did this.

1223
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: Decoration since decades.

1224
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 13: They would they would be in there and the family

1225
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 13: would be out here, and it's just the guys would

1226
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 13: come in here.

1227
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 5: They're saying it.

1228
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,439
Speaker 1: That's some white people ship for sure.

1229
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 6: Why if we go outside, you can see the exhaust.

1230
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 3: At the the smost.

1231
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 5: History's history.

1232
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 2: Bro, No, what was the process.

1233
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: Today?

1234
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 2: Coming from a one other sections and somewhere.

1235
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: Else, they're not coming from this work.

1236
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a back there's a back way to come

1237
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 6: in here. So it's actually by at the end of

1238
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 6: the east block of North Block.

1239
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: There's access to here yet.

1240
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 2: So they were just walking down.

1241
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 9: It was like forty years ago.

1242
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 6: I think it was like the last time, so before

1243
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 6: my time. So I went actual problem because leaf injection

1244
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 6: came after, right, so that we have a leathal injection.

1245
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 6: They tried to clean it up.

1246
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 14: Try to clean it up, right, and that's been litigated

1247
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 14: because it's all the cocktails were so lenses used the

1248
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 14: victims family.

1249
00:59:59,360 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: Well, I got it.

1250
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 5: I gotta be honest.

1251
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 4: Gavin. I mean this right here was the weirdest part

1252
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 4: of the day man.

1253
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 5: Walking out of the gas chamber.

1254
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 4: In nineteen eighty, when I was sixteen, seventeen years old,

1255
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 4: this thing still existed. I mean, I got it's I

1256
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 4: got a weird, weird feel right now walking out of

1257
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 4: their mouth.

1258
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 3: And you should because there's dozens and dozens of people

1259
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 3: today that could be get condemned to death. And of

1260
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 3: course we're using more humane means now with leth injection,

1261
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 3: but that's just literally right next door. But the idea,

1262
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 3: the gas chamber, even leth injection, used to line people

1263
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 3: up and shoot them, hang people.

1264
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,479
Speaker 1: So you know, there's a It don't sound a little

1265
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: bit strange, y'all that when y'all be talking about this,

1266
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: it's like the people y'all talk about, is they.

1267
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 2: Look like me disproportionate.

1268
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: Man, That ship is fucked up, Like that's y'all, that's.

1269
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 3: Because it's fucked moratorium, meaning I stopped it that.

1270
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 2: We would have been doing you'd have been reading about.

1271
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 2: There have been protests right outside these gates.

1272
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 3: We would quite literally put the ability to put a

1273
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 3: couple dozen or a dozen people to death.

1274
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 4: Just before this, we saw death row, which was death row,

1275
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 4: and for them to be in the cells that you

1276
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 4: couldn't even move.

1277
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 5: And then go into cages, I mean just to get

1278
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 5: to the yard.

1279
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 4: Unbelievable in terms of uh, you know, how they're living.

1280
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 5: So I applause, you for get rid of this.

1281
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 2: Well, it was the largest one in the largest one.

1282
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 3: And it's not just in America, in the entire Western hemisphere.

1283
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 3: We're one of the few countries on planet Earth, one

1284
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 3: of the few that still executes people. I mean the Yemen,

1285
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 3: in China, countries, the Western democracies have ended the death party.

1286
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: Nah, you know what I just thought about right now?

1287
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: Damn standing next to you talking like this and you say,

1288
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: certain shit is way bigger than just having a conversation.

1289
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: The motherfuckna take it and blow that shit way out

1290
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: of proportion. We probably should get to the point where

1291
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: we don't have none of that ship. I think the

1292
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: rehabilitation thing, we we probably need to take that shit

1293
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: a little bit further. We're helping then incarcerated just like that.

1294
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: They don't call them inmates, call them cacerated. But to

1295
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: help you feel me, because god, damn you think about

1296
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: you been saying that it's a lot now caught on

1297
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: to it. The humane that's it. We probably need to

1298
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: get more of that type of shit. Well.

1299
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 4: To hear your story, end up food in the house, Galvin,

1300
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 4: I didn't grow up that way, so you did. And

1301
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 4: and to think the choices you can make tend up

1302
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 4: in here. Life isn't fair and and the imbalances are

1303
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 4: are This is a perfect example of it.

1304
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: But the thing you get that it's not fair, right,

1305
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Speaker 1: But the thing is somebody implemented a system for it

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Speaker 1: to be that particular way. It's just that I get

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Speaker 1: the short end of the stick when it come to

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Speaker 1: that shit.

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Speaker 2: Is that this old fray society becomes how we behave.

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Speaker 3: This has happened on our watch. This has happened on

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Speaker 3: our watch. This is not someone else's problem. This is

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Speaker 3: the world we have created. And so we all have

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Speaker 3: some responsibility and some accountability.

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Speaker 1: Yep. So when you go around for president, but I

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Speaker 1: was gonna say, you gotta bring me with you. You

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Speaker 1: can get you from the you feel me level talk

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Speaker 1: about because we don't have your level. But then you're

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Speaker 1: gonna need do you feel me level.

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Speaker 10: Me?

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Speaker 1: And who are we kind of talk on the level.

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Speaker 2: President President about you gonna have you feel.

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Speaker 1: Me speak to do you feel me? When you spoke

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Speaker 1: to the you feel me? That's how I do want

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Speaker 1: to say that like you as you feel mean.

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Speaker 2: I want to say quick is this.

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Speaker 4: I want to appreciate you because you are the new

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Speaker 4: wave of this and you're not the wave that you

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Speaker 4: see and you hear about whatnot where you know you're

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Speaker 4: the guy in shawsh a redemption. You're these different You're

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Speaker 4: doing the new way because that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 4: So I appreciate this today. It was real and enlightening

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Speaker 4: and scary.

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Speaker 5: In the world.

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Speaker 4: So I appreciate what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: Because you were doing a ship. They wouldn't like, oh

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Speaker 1: here it is Assholen ship. They were. It was for sure,

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Speaker 1: it was different.

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Speaker 4: They know you had the which is really cool to

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Speaker 4: see man, because I was not expecting.

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Speaker 2: But Doug, you know, also he is back.

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Speaker 3: I mean the people that these folks have hurt as well.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is not about being soft on crime.

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Speaker 3: This is not about absolving any responsibility.

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Speaker 2: Quite the contrary.

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Speaker 3: People make a mistake, they have to not only live

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Speaker 3: with that, they have to pay the price for the

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Speaker 3: mistake they made. But again the reality is tens of

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Speaker 3: thousands of people are released every single year back into

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Speaker 3: your neighborhood. Do you want them to come back angry,

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Speaker 3: with a chip on their shoulder, less productive and constructive,

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Speaker 3: more likely to commit a crime again, or take the

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Speaker 3: time to humanize and address the underlying reasons why they're

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Speaker 3: so broken in the first place. And that's the approach

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Speaker 3: the war and sane and that's what this California model

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Speaker 3: is about.

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Speaker 4: Twenty thirty people I met today are more compassionate at

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Speaker 4: a deeper heart than a lot of people I see

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Speaker 4: every day walking the streets going to stores at the DM.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it is real, these guys. It's they got it.

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Speaker 4: And what you're doing ward works work.

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Speaker 2: And what's so?

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Speaker 3: I think you hear you've lived it in all the

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Speaker 3: work you've done. But I keep experience every time I

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Speaker 3: come back. The folks have said t X number of

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Speaker 3: years ago. I had no hope, and so I acted accordingly.

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Speaker 3: I didn't give a damn about myself, I didn't give

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Speaker 3: a damn about my cellmate, I didn't give a damn.

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Speaker 2: About the warden of the guards.

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Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, you guys started giving us hope.

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Speaker 1: That if we.

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Speaker 3: Program, we do the right thing, if we're more empathetic,

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Speaker 3: if we address the issues of the violence we did

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Speaker 3: outside these gates, and then maybe we have a chance

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Speaker 3: to get the hell out of here.

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Speaker 2: And that mindset is pretty powerful, and I hope it's

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Speaker 2: it's paying dividends for.

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Speaker 3: All the extraordinary staff that you have and and the

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Speaker 3: hard work these guards do every single day. And I

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Speaker 3: made this point about the California We don't want to

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Speaker 3: do this to the guards. We want to do it

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Speaker 3: with the guards, but nor do we want to do

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Speaker 3: it to the inmates. We want to get there there

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Speaker 3: they're incarcerated. We want to get their council advice. And

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Speaker 3: you've created these advisory committees that are inclusive not only

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Speaker 3: people on the inside, but on the outside that have

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Speaker 3: real experience, lived experience here at said Quentin.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that hope is safety for all of us.

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Speaker 6: We walk in here and you feel the vibe. The

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Speaker 6: vibe is kind of different. Right any given day you

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Speaker 6: can walk in here, here a band playing, see a

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Speaker 6: softball game going down. You know, we walked and talked

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Speaker 6: and shook hands with a bunch of people that live

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Speaker 6: and work here, right, and it wasn't this depressing feeling, right,

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Speaker 6: So we're trying to make the best of what we got,

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Speaker 6: but we got a lot more more to do as well.

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Speaker 11: Well.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, thank you.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate you, guy, it very much.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, sir, thank you, thank you. Appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, I'm still trying to figure out how y'all

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Speaker 1: got the bank b