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Speaker 1: All right, everyone, welcome back to Post run High. Today's

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Speaker 1: guest is Lindsay Davis. She's an award winning journalist, ABC

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Speaker 1: News anchor, best selling author, mom, and so much more.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to get in today's combo. Lindsay, how

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Speaker 1: was the run for you?

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Speaker 2: It was good. I mean, as I was telling you,

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm just still congested because I was more

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Speaker 2: breathy than I thought. I was like, Lindsay, you are

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Speaker 2: not in shape. But it went so fast just having

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Speaker 2: a conversation. I love to talk and run. There are

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Speaker 2: very few other people who I meet that liked to

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Speaker 2: do the same. I remember one time I was going

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Speaker 2: for a run with my sister and I was like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: this is going to be such a good bonding experience

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Speaker 2: in my head. And we got there. We drove to

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Speaker 2: the beach to run along the beach, and then she

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Speaker 2: hoped in her AirPods and I was like, Oh, I

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Speaker 2: guess we're not talking doing this run. So I just

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Speaker 2: think that the conversation just goes. It just makes the

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Speaker 2: run go so much faster.

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Speaker 1: Lindsay and I just got back from running a mile

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Speaker 1: through Brooklyn and it was so nice finding out that

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Speaker 1: Lindsay is a runner and that often you prep for

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Speaker 1: a show by going for a run.

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Speaker 2: It's sometimes it's something I like to do by myself

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Speaker 2: as well. I mean, there's so many benefits to it,

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Speaker 2: but I do like to have that shared passion with

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Speaker 2: other people. And as we were talking about before, we

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Speaker 2: brought it on our show on ABC News Live Prime,

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Speaker 2: and it's just a fun way to get to know people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we talked about this during the run, but

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Speaker 1: let's talk about how you guys brought it onto ABC.

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Speaker 3: Because I love the concept.

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Speaker 2: So we decided maybe four years ago that it would

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Speaker 2: be a great idea to just bring something that I

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Speaker 2: we started thinking about running on the campaign trail and

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Speaker 2: figurative and literal way and run with the candidates. And

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Speaker 2: so the first one we did was Beto O'Rourke, who

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Speaker 2: we did Doctor Oz who was running for Senate in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: Ended up doing a number of people. It was interesting

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Speaker 2: Nancy Mace at that time, who's a congresswoman in South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: She had long COVID, so she said she couldn't run anymore,

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Speaker 2: but we still got it race to November and just

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Speaker 2: campaign trail. And I just loved the idea because quite often,

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Speaker 2: in particular with politicians, you know, you have them all

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Speaker 2: find relatable qualities because you know, running or walking or

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Speaker 1: It's so true that movement fosters incredible conversation. So I

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Speaker 1: love knowing that you guys have been incorporating that into

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Speaker 1: your show, and it not only makes the guests feel

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Speaker 1: for an interviewer. It helps you come up with ideas

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Speaker 2: There's something to it that I find really inspirational. Like

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Speaker 2: And as I was mentioning too, just to kind of multitask.

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Speaker 1: I love knowing when staying active is a big part

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Speaker 3: Us a little bit about yourself. Where did you grow up,

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Speaker 3: What were you like as a kid.

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Speaker 2: So I'm from South Jersey, Moore's town with an E.

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Speaker 2: I think I was very extroverted as a child. I

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Speaker 2: My family all kind of entertained this concept of me

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Speaker 2: I kind of became introverted. I started to just be

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Speaker 2: I love running, obviously, but I love a good book

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Speaker 2: during high school and everything, I ended up being kind

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Speaker 1: I find that with a lot of people. Often you

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Speaker 1: it's oftentimes people stray away from kind of some of

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Speaker 2: It's full circle in a different way.

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Speaker 1: You know. You think you learned that you like being

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Speaker 2: My mom always tells the story about how I would,

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Speaker 3: What do you think your younger self would think of

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Speaker 2: I think my younger self would be surprised that it

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Speaker 2: I was very into sports. I think it wasn't until

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Speaker 2: that was it. Even though I have some other qualities

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Speaker 1: It's amazing the people that you meet through running. Let's

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Speaker 2: So I went to University of Virginia. At the time,

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Speaker 3: By the way, guys, all of these books are so thoughtful.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you, so can you kind of walk us

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Speaker 1: through some of your books and where the inspo comes from.

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Speaker 2: Thinking about my son as he was, you know, two

441
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Speaker 2: or three, and wanting to watch mom on the news,

442
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 2: and I just felt like, oh, this is this is

443
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 2: too heavy, you know, for a little mind to have

444
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 2: to watch. So I felt this was something that I

445
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 2: could share with him that would be the good news,

446
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 2: you know, the positive news. And so I knew when

447
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,239
Speaker 2: I shortly after he was born that I wanted to

448
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 2: write children's books. And I just carried it with me

449
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 2: for a few years because I didn't know how to

450
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 2: do it. I didn't know where to even begin, and

451
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: I didn't know what I wanted to write about. And

452
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: one day when he was like two or three, and

453
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Speaker 2: I was driving, and he was in a backseat of

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Speaker 2: the car, and he asked, Mommy, does God open up

455
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 2: the flowers? And I just thought, what a suite and

456
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: at the same time introspective question. And I, in that moment,

457
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: was like, I'm going to try and answer that question

458
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 2: in a book that's I think that's my idea. And

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Speaker 2: unbeknownst to him, he really has been my inspiration for

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Speaker 2: each of the books that I've written, you know. At

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Speaker 2: one point he said he came home from preschool and

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Speaker 2: he said, how come Santino has two grandmas and two

463
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Speaker 2: grandpas and I just have one of each and he

464
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Speaker 2: didn't remember his paternal grandmother. His paternal grandfather had already

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Speaker 2: passed before he was born. And so I ended up

466
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Speaker 2: writing this book, How High is Heaven, about this little

467
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: boy who's trying to go to heaven to meet his grandparents.

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Speaker 2: Because when we had had this conversation, because he said,

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Speaker 2: I want to go see them, and I said, you know,

470
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Speaker 2: you'll see them one day, you know, they're in heaven.

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Speaker 2: And he would start asking them questions about what is heaven.

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Speaker 2: And fast forward maybe two or three months, and we

473
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Speaker 2: were on a plane and he was looking out the

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Speaker 2: window and he was like, I don't see them, and

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Speaker 2: this was out of nowhere. I said, you don't see who?

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Speaker 2: And he was like, I don't see Grandma Pee. And

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Speaker 2: so he inspired me, you know, to to write about,

478
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 2: you know, kids who are losing and unfortunately it was

479
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Speaker 2: really during COVID when so many people were losing loved

480
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: ones and and just trying to explain death I think

481
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Speaker 2: is a really complicated topic obviously for a young person,

482
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Speaker 2: but it's it's necessary to have those conversations and just

483
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Speaker 2: you know the world that he was growing up with

484
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Speaker 2: the police protest, it was right you know, after George

485
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: Floyd was killed and COVID was happening, and there was

486
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Speaker 2: just a lot of tumult. That he was about five

487
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 2: years old and was just asking me questions that were

488
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: really hard questions, and so I would take his questions

489
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Speaker 2: and really use it as material for, you know, trying

490
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Speaker 2: to write a book to explain some some some hard truths.

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Speaker 2: I guess in a in a very palatable and appropriate

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Speaker 2: way for a young mind.

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Speaker 1: I love it, and I especially we love women obviously

494
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: on this podcast, and I especially love Girls of the

495
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: World World. Yes, it's empowering.

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Speaker 3: It's cute.

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Speaker 1: It shows women that they can do anything, especially little girls.

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Speaker 2: So even with that one, it's funny because I have

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Speaker 2: a boy. But he inadvertently again inspired that book because

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Speaker 2: I remember one morning I was he loves waffles. So

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00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: I said to him, like, why don't you just come

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Speaker 2: in here and you can learn how to make the waffles.

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Speaker 2: And he was like, Mom, that's for girls. And I said, what, No,

504
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: it's not cooking. It's not for girls. And I said,

505
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 2: what are you going to do when you grow up

506
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 2: and you're not living with mom anymore? He said, my

507
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 2: wife is going to cook And so I just thought

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Speaker 2: that's it's so interesting that he has assigned gender roles already.

509
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Speaker 2: And I think at the time he was like seven

510
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 2: years old, I really wanted to empower girls, even for him,

511
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Speaker 2: you know. I mean, I think that it's that males

512
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Speaker 2: have a role in understanding early on that women are

513
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Speaker 2: equals and women need to understand that so and you know,

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Speaker 2: both sexes. I think it's so important, and I think

515
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: that it's important to plant these seeds early and not

516
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Speaker 2: have to change minds as adults, but really inform young

517
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Speaker 2: people as early as possible.

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Speaker 1: What is something from your career, maybe one thing, one

519
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: lesson that you want your son to grow up having learned.

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00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I think it really goes back to girls of the world.

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00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: I think that I just want him to realize that

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Speaker 2: a woman is an equal partner. It's funny to me

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Speaker 2: that he even had this assumption that women are the

525
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Speaker 2: ones who are at home cooking because other than waffles

526
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Speaker 2: on a Saturday morning, I'm not really.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's just like motherly energy though, you know what,

528
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: girls can do anything.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and we can moderate political debates.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think also I want him to know that

531
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Speaker 2: he can do anything that he wants to. You know,

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Speaker 2: I think that early on my parents instilled in me

533
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Speaker 2: and my I have an older sister that the world

534
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Speaker 2: is ourn't oyster and the sky is not the limit.

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Speaker 2: And I think I was either smart enough or silly

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00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: enough to believe them, And so I want to instill

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00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: that same concept in my son. That you know, there's

538
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: a famous quote, whether you think you can or you

539
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: can't do something, you're right. And I think so often

540
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: we limit ourselves. We put parameters and closed doors and

541
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,479
Speaker 2: believe that, you know, our options are limited. I just

542
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: want him to grow up believing that he can do

543
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: it if he thinks about it and just wants it

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Speaker 2: that and desires it, that he can do it.

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Speaker 1: As somebody that wants to get into the world of

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Speaker 1: broadcast journalism and become a great storyteller on my own,

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Speaker 1: What is one piece of advice you have for me?

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Speaker 2: Whatever you do. You know, there's a quote that says,

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Speaker 2: you know, if you want to write books, it's write

550
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: like a reader, right, And so you start to whatever

551
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: you're consuming, you start to get an appreciation for what works,

552
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: what is effective, what draws you in. So I would say,

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Speaker 2: watch the news if you want to be on the

554
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: news or you know, that's if you want to be

555
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: an anchor, if you want to be a reporter, study

556
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: the people. Find your favorite anchor, find your favorite correspondent.

557
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: What makes them your favorite? I mean, the thing is

558
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: we are invited guests into people's homes, and what makes

559
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: that person stand out that you want to you trust

560
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: them enough to invite them into your living room every day.

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00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: And so that's my number one piece of advice. Whatever

562
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: it is you want to do, find who you think

563
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: is the best person to do it. And that's not

564
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: to say that you become or emulate that person, but

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Speaker 2: I think you just get a sense of style and

566
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: effective and what works, and you know, and in an

567
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 2: aspirational way, you know, what is that person doing that?

568
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Speaker 2: What are some of those takeaways that I can use

569
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: to incorporate into my own style, into my own voice.

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Speaker 2: And I think that that's something that I wish if

571
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Speaker 2: I could go back, I really would have paid attention

572
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Speaker 2: at an early age, you know, twelve thirteen, fourteen, to

573
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Speaker 2: really pay attention to because ultimately, storyteller telling, I think

574
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 2: is a formula. I think there's a style. I think

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00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: there is a sensibility that you over time learn and I,

576
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: you know, just happened was like kind of in my

577
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: early twenties when I was learning it, I wish I

578
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: had learned it a decade earlier.

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Speaker 1: I was asking somebody the other day, a mentor of mine,

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Speaker 1: you know, is there a class you can take to

581
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Speaker 1: get really good at interviewing? And she was like, well,

582
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: of course there's programs in schools and universities, but honestly,

583
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Speaker 1: you learn.

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Speaker 3: By doing and by watching.

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Speaker 1: Exactly what you're saying, Lindsey, what do you have coming

586
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Speaker 1: up that you're super excited about that you want everyone

587
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: to know about that's listening or watching.

588
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to and I don't have a

589
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Speaker 2: date yet. I imagine it'll be in April, but we've

590
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Speaker 2: with Jamie Snow, who I was just mentioning. I went

591
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Speaker 2: and interviewed him in a prison in Illinois. He says

592
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Speaker 2: that he's innocent and that he claims that he's been

593
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: wrongfully convicted for more in excess of twenty five years

594
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: for a murder that he says he did not commit.

595
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: We went and interviewed all from Georgetown University students. Jason Flomm,

596
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: of course, author John Grisham and then went and interviewed

597
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Speaker 2: Jamie Snow his two daughters who are now grown, and

598
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Speaker 2: so really all aspects and this is something I having

599
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: to have a personal interest in criminal justice and injustice.

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Speaker 2: We've done three prior to Jamie Snow jailhouse interviews, all

601
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Speaker 2: three of them ended up being released from prison. You know.

602
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Speaker 2: We were doing all just kind of a series on

603
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Speaker 2: wrongful convictions. So I'm really eager to share that with viewers.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully that'll be on ABCNIWS Life Prime at some point

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Speaker 2: in April.

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Speaker 1: That's going to be fascinating. I am so excited to watch.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much Lindsey for sitting down with me today,

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Speaker 1: and thank you to everybody watching and listening.

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Speaker 2: Post Run High. Thank you hum