1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace is coming to Fox Nation. I Want Justice. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace available now only on Fox Nation. 3 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: Coronavirus crimes are on the rise. Why Crime Stories with 4 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. From an apartment parking lot, a Cape Coral 5 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: officer heard panicked cries for help. As he approached the building, 6 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: the screams grew louder. The officer says he spotted a 7 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: man later ideed as Joseph Newell, straddling his victim with 8 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: what appeared to be his hands around her neck. According 9 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: to Newell's arrest report, he was intoxicated and told them 10 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: the woman had COVID nineteen, but in reality, she was 11 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: six months pregnant. We are getting from our cause. Jennifer 12 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: Benton with the Abuse Counseling and Treatment Center says they're 13 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: seeing a spike in domestic violence cases that could be 14 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: linked to coronavirus. Definitely, people are saying home, they're more agitated. 15 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: The center is open to all looking for help. We 16 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: have a hotline that operates twenty four hours a day 17 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: that will continue. We have three shelters and they're open 18 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: and they're staff twenty four hours a day. We are 19 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: here for people especially now with growing concerns over COVID. Nineteen, 20 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: Cape Coral police arrest a man they found beating brutally 21 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: beating a pregnant woman that he says has corona virus. 22 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: It was Joseph Cory Newell twenty four or Fort Myers. 23 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: He's charged with a felony aggravated battery, knowing the victim 24 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: was pregnant. Eleven o six pm police dispatch for disturbance. 25 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: They find a person in the parking lot claiming to 26 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: hear screams. They go in and they find the pregnant 27 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: victim on the floor, her face covered in blood. His excuse, 28 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: she has corona virus. Of course she didn't, she's pregnant. 29 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: She was immediately taken to Cape Coral Hospital. Pregnant, yes, coronavirus, 30 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: no imancy. Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for 31 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: being with us. You were just hearing WBBHTV NBC two 32 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: Nesta Montoya speaking about that incident. But the coronavirus crimes 33 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: are on the uptick on a major, major way. We know. 34 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: Televangelist Jim Baker is being sued for selling silver solution 35 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: claiming it cures coronavirus. Joining me right, now an All 36 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: Star panel. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author Red Flags at 37 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick PhD dot com. Cloyd Steiger thirty six years, 38 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: Seattle PD, twenty two years, homicide author Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer. 39 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: Gary Jane Grant at Kloyd Steiger dot com. Professor Forensics, 40 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University. Joseph Scott Morgan, author Blood Beneath My 41 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon, We're now psychologist outam New York. Karen 42 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: Stark at Karen Stark dot com. But right now to 43 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: Dave Matt, crime online investigative reporter. As it turns out, 44 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: the Missouri AG has filed a season desist on televangelists 45 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: Jim Baker. Why Dave Matt Nancy. Jim Baker was selling 46 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: a solution on his television show called Silver Solution that 47 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: he and a so called doctor claimed was an effective 48 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: cure for coronavirus, totally eliminating it within twelve hours. You know, 49 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: amazing to me. To Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor forensic, we 50 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: have taken a long, hard look at colloidal silver, and 51 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: after I first came out against Jim Baker on this, 52 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: I got a lot of heat online. A lot of 53 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: naysayers mad at me for SAE. Colloidal silver i e. 54 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: Silver solution doesn't cure coronavirus. And it's important to note 55 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: that Missouri ag is coming down on Baker, not because 56 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: colloidal silver hasn't been used for years and years and 57 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: years to soothe skin elments and so forth. But it 58 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: doesn't cure coronavirus, does it? Joe Scott. No, if it did, 59 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: it would be, you know, widely distributed everywhere. And hey, 60 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: if it is this miracle drug, Nancy, why would you 61 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: want to be selling it. Why would you want to 62 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 1: be selling it? Wouldn't you want to have everybody have 63 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: access to it so that everybody could be cured. Listen 64 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: this compound. Over the years, people have claimed that it HIV, 65 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: people have claimed that it cure shingles, herpes, eye disorders, 66 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: all of these different things, and the main component is 67 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: actually silver and it is not an essential element for 68 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: the body. It's beyond ridiculous to sell this to somebody, 69 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,679 Speaker 1: particularly people that are so vulnerable. Here's the deal. People 70 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: that are watching, to a large degree televangelist on TV 71 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: are the elderly in our population. They are the ones 72 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: being affected by coronavirus the most and so you know, 73 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: he's got a perfect pool of victims. To Wendy Patrick, 74 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: California prosecutor and author, Wendy, here's my question, and light 75 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: of the coronavirus pandemic, can any criminal action be taken 76 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: against Baker? Well, you know the problem with taking any 77 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: criminal action in scenarios like this is you're going to 78 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: have to find not only a statute that fits, you're 79 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: going to have to find the right jurisdiction, but you're 80 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: gonna have to find courts that are You know, this 81 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: is one of the times and probably unprecedented that we're 82 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: asking these questions to try to figure out is it 83 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: worth our time to try to mount criminal charges against 84 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: somebody who is definitely probably not going to be in custody. 85 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: But can we make this kind of a case, particularly 86 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: if there is an intent requirement. You see a lot 87 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: of these cases being filed that, as you Nancy know, 88 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: are specific intent crime. So it's not enough to simply 89 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: do or say something, but you also have to prove 90 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: the mindset of the person that did it. But if 91 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: we had a criminal case against Jim Baker, what would 92 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: it be I would have to go and look at 93 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: the statutes very carefully to try to figure out what 94 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: kind of misrepresentation type of crime would lie or something 95 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: like this. That's normally the first place we would look 96 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: if somebody is knowingly offering something knowing the product is false, 97 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: or with reckless disregard for the truth of what they're saying. 98 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: We're talking about Jim Baker, the Charlotte, North Carolina tell 99 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: evangelist who's already done five years in prison for fraud 100 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: and the nineties. That's a big hint of what the 101 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: criminal charge would be, fraud f R A U D. 102 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: Now we know that he's pushing colloidal silver, the quote 103 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: silver solution all right, to cure corona virus. He's already 104 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: gotten a cease and desist order. It's a very pricey 105 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: and it's aimed at the elderly, and he has been 106 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: pitching it on TV. The National Institutes of Health and 107 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: say colloidal silver has no known function or benefits. The 108 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: New York Attorney General sent Baker the order. The Missouri 109 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: ag is taking action against him. Now, long story short, 110 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: there are civil lawsuits and there are criminal cases, a 111 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: criminal case for fraud knowing fraud. It's a white collar 112 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: crum could be brought and there could be probably a 113 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: slap on the wrist for that. Like about five years now, 114 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: there's another guy you may know his name, a conspiracy 115 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: theorist Alex Jones has somehow landed in the middle of 116 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: the Corona virus debacle. I want you to take a 117 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: listen to this. Officials are warning the public not to 118 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: fall for fake cures peddled by some companies and individuals, 119 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: possibly trying to scam consumers with their claims. Earlier this week, 120 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: the FTC and FDA issued warnings to seven companies accused 121 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: of selling unapproved or misbranded products claiming they can treat 122 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: or cure COVID nineteen with T's essential oils and colloidal silver. 123 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 1: Televangelist Jim Baker received one such warning for offering an 124 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: eighty dollars silver solution he advertised as a treatment for coronavirus, 125 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: even though there is not yet a known vaccine and 126 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory to Alex Jones received a cease and desist 127 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: letter for hawking unproven products from New York Attorney General 128 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: Letitia James, one of several she and other states attorneys 129 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: general have issued in recent days to people they say 130 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: are selling unproven product. You were just hearing our friends 131 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: over at ABC. That was news correspondent Will Reave speaking. 132 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: What we're learning right now is that conspiracy theorists, the 133 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: one that says Sandy Hook never happened. I think, isn't 134 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: that him? Alex Jones has been told to stop selling 135 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: anti coronavirus tooth paste. Mister Jones using his radio show 136 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: and website to promote conspiracy theories, now falsely claiming his 137 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: products can fight the virus. The New York State Attorney 138 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: jumped in issue to cease and desist order on Alex Jones. 139 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: So what do we know about his claims? Straight out 140 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: to Dave Mattcrime online dot Com investigative reporter, what does 141 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: he climbing? He actually claims, Nancy that the silverns used toothpaste, 142 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: mouthwaw screams and other dietary subsplements actually are a stop 143 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:12,359 Speaker 1: gate against the virus. That's whoa whooa a stop gate. Okay, 144 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: go ahead. I just had to write that down. His 145 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: super blue super Blue brand of toothpaste quote kills the 146 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: whole stars a Corona family at point blank range super Blue. 147 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: I mean, really, I guess you know. Hold on, Dave Makeham, 148 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: circling right back to you. But I need to shrink, 149 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: and I happen to have renowned psychologist Karen Stark. Karen Stark. 150 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: But people are desperate. They'll do anything, They will do 151 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: anything to protect themselves or their families, and this is 152 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: a perfect time for fraud stars to jump in. Alex Jones. 153 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: According to the Attorney General, their words not Mine made 154 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: us series of claims that as products could act as 155 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 1: a stop gate as Dave Matt reports against coronavirus super 156 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: Blue brand of toothpaste. There are currently no products, vaccines, 157 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: or drugs are proved to treat coronavirus. Karen, what's going 158 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,719 Speaker 1: through everybody's minds. People are desperate and vulnerable, Nancy, and 159 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: you when you think about, you know, what's popular are 160 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: out there. They're desperate for a cure, and they don't research. 161 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: A lot of times there's a product that everybody's buying, 162 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: and they're only buying it because they see other people 163 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: are buying it, and they get influenced. Well, if other 164 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: people are buying it, it must be good. So if 165 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 1: it's this guy, we've heard about him and he's saying 166 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: it's a cure well, and people are buying it. I'd 167 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: better do it because I'm terrified. And that's exactly what's happening. 168 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: They're taking advantage of everyone's fear and vulnerability and offering 169 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: these products that will not make a bit of a difference, 170 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: just to get money. I would use the phrase monetizing fear, 171 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: making money off people's fear. Climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 172 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: did I ever get the chance to say thank you 173 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: for joining us here on Serious eleven. At a time 174 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: when we are all trying to pull together, asking for 175 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: Heaven for guidance, trying to do the right thing, we 176 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: have fraudsters taking advantage of those most vulnerable. In the 177 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: last hours we learn conspiracy theorists and radio star Alex 178 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: Jones has been told to stop selling his fake anti 179 00:12:54,920 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: coronavirus toothpaste. It's called super Blue. We know that sham 180 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: products from dietary supplements, foods, medical devices, vaccines, door to 181 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: door coronavirus testing. They're everywhere right now. They're on Amazon, 182 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: they're own eBay, they're knocking on your door, knock, can 183 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: I test it for coronavirus? It has presented people like 184 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: mister Jones with an opportunity to monetize fear. According to 185 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: Letitia James, the state ag who issued an order against 186 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: Jones on Thursday, while people are literally dying, while they're 187 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: crowding the halls of hospitals, while their loved ones are 188 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: trying to breathe, other people are making money off that fear. 189 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,119 Speaker 1: I worked for a while at the Federal Trade Commission 190 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: in their anti trust and consumer protection divisions. And for 191 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: a product to go on the market, a drug product, 192 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: it has to be undergo multiple double blind tests, in 193 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: other words, double blind. One group gets the product, one 194 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: group gets pulsebos. You have to go through multiple tests 195 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: like that to prove they really work. This is so 196 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: disappointing that people are taking advantage of those suffering. Dave Maack, 197 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: what mar can you tell me about super Blue? Alex 198 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: Jones has claimed that his super bluetooth face, he actually 199 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: said this on his show, it kills the whole Sars 200 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: Corona family at point blank range. There's no vague area here. 201 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: This is a very direct claim, and as you mentioned, 202 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: he has a very devoted loyal audience to believe a 203 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: lot of the garbage he spews and that's why there's 204 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: a crackdown on him. Because this guy's money doesn't come 205 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: from advertisers on his show. It comes from him selling 206 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: these types of products. He has a whole line of 207 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: garbage products that are of question. Noble youth, Well, here's 208 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: a question. His claims obviously are false. But do you 209 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: believe out to Cloyd's Tiger he will obey the cease 210 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: and desist order? I would think not. I mean, these 211 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: guys are snake oil salesman and they'll get every dime 212 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: they can before they're physically forced by the law to 213 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: do something. It's just like he said, it's outrageous monetary 214 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: monetizing fear, you know, to Dave, Matt, doesn't he still 215 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: say Sandy Hook didn't happen the mass shooting Nancy. My 216 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: understanding is that he claims that he's that, Yes, he 217 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: said something happened to Sandy Hook. That is not what 218 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: was reported in the media when all the children were killed. 219 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: Then we know of Matt Colvin stockpiling eighteen thousand bottles 220 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: of hand sanitizer, trying to pick up the price up 221 00:15:52,720 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: to seventy dollars a bottle. That's clearly price gouging to Dave, Matt, 222 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: what can you tell me about Matt Colvin? These Tennessee brothers, 223 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: Matt Colvin and his brothers saw the pandemic coming, and 224 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: so what they did in Tennessee is they went around 225 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: and started buying up hand sanitizers throughout all their local stores, 226 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: and then spread out from there and ended up even 227 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: going into Kentucky, and they amassed at least twenty thousand 228 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: things of hand sanitizers, and they were selling them online 229 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: and a tube, a container that would go for a 230 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: dollar retail was selling for seventy five eighty bucks online 231 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: before they finally, you know, they got caught onto and 232 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: Amazon shut them down and they were stuck with seventeen 233 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: thousand bottles of hand sanitizer. But still they're still being 234 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: looked into. And you know, you guys are the lawyers, 235 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: not me. They're still looking at possible charges for taking 236 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: advantage of a time as they were trying to do. 237 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: A guy was seventeen nearly eighteen thousand bottles of hand sanitizers, 238 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: selling them for seventy five dollars a pop. To attorney 239 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick joining Us, author of Red Flags, Wendy, what 240 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: about the possibility I know that he is now under 241 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: investigation for price gouging. What could become of that? Well, 242 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: if he's charged, it's really going to send a message. 243 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: I mean price gouging. You have to look at well, gosh, 244 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: how far did you raise a price? Here they raise 245 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: there's an astronomical amount. But you look at the amount 246 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,719 Speaker 1: of overage people are charging and saying, hey, can you 247 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: justify that some other way than clearly being guilty of 248 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: price gouging. But whether it's price gouging, fraud, or whatever 249 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: it is that people are engaging in, once these cases 250 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,479 Speaker 1: start being charged, I don't care what jurisdiction it is, 251 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: people are going to pay a lot more attention and 252 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: certainly be a lot more careful about what they try 253 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: to get away with online while speaking a price gouging, 254 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: listen to this. Deputies arrested eight people for it, and 255 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: they say those who are profiting from people's fear will 256 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: be prosecuted. To impact toilet paper for believe it was 257 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: one hundred dollars. Toilet paper, gloves and other cleaning supplies 258 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,959 Speaker 1: now evidence in a criminal investigation after people tried selling 259 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: the items for up to twenty times their regular retail price. 260 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: The San Diego Sheriff's substation in Fulbrook arrested eight people 261 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: for price gouging. Deputy say they found them selling the 262 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: items online, met them in a public place acting as buyers, 263 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: then they were placed under arrest. The individuals were cited 264 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: and released, but face up to one year in prison 265 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: and could be fined up to ten thousand dollars. According 266 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 1: to the district attorney, it's illegal to increase prices for 267 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: essential goods by more than ten percent during a declared 268 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: state of emergency. Items like these in ninety five masks, 269 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: which normally run about two dollars each. He was selling 270 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: twenty six of those for about two hundred ten dollars. Wow, 271 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: you're hearing Fox five San Diego News report Justina Myers 272 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: and more from Justina on price gouging. Guys, you gotta 273 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: watch out. Listen to Justina Myers. The rise in price 274 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: douging comes as grocery store shelves are wiped clean. People 275 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: buying out of control. They don't even know what they're buying. 276 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: They're just buying. Facetiming. Before her shift out, Ralph's in 277 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: Bonita sales manager Esther Lopez says supply wouldn't be a 278 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: problem if shoppers didn't create one. She's worried about those 279 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: who are desperate who might fall victim to excessive prices 280 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: if they can't find it at the store. The people 281 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: who can come in here on their own, who have 282 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: some health problems, so please stop doing this. Independent grocery 283 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: stores are also seeing the stockpiling. Yeah, the shelves are 284 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: pretty empty, co owner of Staley Farms Market in Kensington, 285 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: reminding shoppers so only take what they need half a 286 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: gallon a mouth, grow one thing to cheese rather than nine. 287 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: So we are experiencing that overload panic purchase buying, and 288 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: that has hurt the supplies. As for law enforcement, they 289 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: have a strong message for those looking to line their 290 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,719 Speaker 1: pockets stirring this pandemic. Can you take advantage? We're going 291 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: to seek you out. Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, we 292 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: have all worked so hard to bring to you Don't 293 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: Be a Victim Fighting back against America's crime Wave, a 294 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: brand new book. After interviewing literally hundreds of crime victims 295 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: and police, we put our knowledge into Don't Be a Victim. 296 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: You could pre order now go to Crime online dot 297 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: Com pre order now. And know that portions of our 298 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: proceeds goes to the National Center for Missing and Exploited 299 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: Children Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. There are also reports 300 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,479 Speaker 1: of door to door coronavirus seals. Kids. Let me tell 301 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: you there are no door to door sales kits for coronavirus. 302 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: People are waiting four or five more hours in line 303 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: for drive through coronavirus testing, So nobody is bringing you 304 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: a coronavirus kit to your door. What that is is 305 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: a distraction robbery attempt. They start talking to you about 306 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: coronavirus and then they stick their footing your door and 307 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: strong arm rob you or worse, or they might try 308 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: to be They may be trying to get your vital 309 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: information like your credit card, your d OB, your social 310 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: security who knows what they're trying to get, and then 311 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: leave give you an empty box. That's what that is. 312 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: Don't fall for it. But that's really just the tip 313 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: of the iceberg. Take a listen to our friends at 314 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: w d JT Milwaukee, CBS Shirley Discorbeth. Let's alter here 315 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: at sojourn Or Family Peace Center is open for victims 316 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: of domestic violence. Staff here say they're actually seeing an 317 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: increase and calls for help. Majority of the programs here 318 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: at Sojourn or Family Peace Center are now remote or 319 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: over email. However, two of the most critical programs remain open, 320 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: the shelter and the twenty four hour hotline. The Courthouse 321 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: Advocacy program is also open. There's still processing restraining orders. 322 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: Advocates say even during this crisis, domestic violence continues to 323 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: be an issue. Violence never stops, and that in times 324 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: of stress, domestic violence absolutely goes up in people's lives. 325 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: We all want to maintain some sort of control in 326 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: our lives, and times of crisis, all of us are 327 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: feeling stressed. That could be, you know, we want to 328 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: go to the grocery store stock up when groceries. Some 329 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: people exercise control in different ways. For victims of domestic violence, 330 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: going to work can be their only respites, but for 331 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: many people that's not an option. Right now, Domestic violence 332 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: is on a stark and drastic rise. During Corona virus scares, 333 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: people are staying into Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor author Red Flags, 334 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: explain Plaine, why is domestic violence now a major concern? 335 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: It's a major concern, Nancy, because it's a scenario where 336 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: the danger is inside your home. Domestic violence victims often 337 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: find a respite by going to work, staying at work late, 338 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: lingering at the grocery store, things they can't do right now. 339 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: You know, when we request the public to shelter in place, 340 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: we assume a safe place to hunker down and whether 341 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: the storm. But domestic violence victims are not safe at home, 342 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: and they may have abusers that are threatening. What's going 343 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: to happen if they dare to go out, They'll be 344 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: locked out, They'll get sick. They don't want to go 345 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: to a shelter because they're worried about overcrowding and not 346 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: an opportunity to social distance. That's the same reason. Sometimes 347 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: even if they're injured, they don't want to go to 348 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: an emergency room. They would probably rather, in the words 349 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: of some of them, suffer a physical injury than get 350 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: the coronavirus. It's a horrible scenario, but it is exactly 351 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: made easier by some of these domestic violence hotlines offering 352 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: all sorts of ways to contact them, whether it's on 353 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: the phone, whether it's on email, or however, they can 354 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: get at least some access to knowing what help is 355 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: available during this typical time. Take a listen to reporter 356 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: terse Appel at WLBT NBC three. Every year, domestic violence 357 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: peaks at certain times, and there are some very standard factors. 358 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: A lot of family members in close proximity, stress over finances, 359 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: stir crazy children. Police usually see the highest numbers of 360 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: domestic violence calls during the holidays, but summer, when children 361 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: are out of school, is also a time to watch. 362 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: Now families are staying home instead of going to school, work, 363 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: or church because of the dangers of coronavirus. Sandy Middleton, 364 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: director of the Mississippi Center for Prevention of Violence, says 365 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: some homes could be at risk. Day cares are closed, 366 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: I mean schools are closed. A lot of people aren't 367 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: going to work. So even if we don't get to 368 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: a pure quarantine situation, we're still talking about a lot 369 00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: of people being piled in together in homes ranking any 370 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: Chief investigator Brett McAlpin says Nancy children can also contribute 371 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: to stress in the home. They want to go outside, 372 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: they want to see their friends and things like that. 373 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: And if we're gonna have this this quarantine situation, we're 374 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: not gonna that's not going to be possible. We are 375 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: now learning that a mother in Utah attacks her husband 376 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: and children. To Dave Matt Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, 377 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: what happened? Jessica Cambery from in Provo, Utah and Ancy 378 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: apparently just lost it when she realized that her boys 379 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: were going to be at home and that they weren't 380 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: going to be allowed to go to school. They weren't 381 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: gonna be able to go out. At thirty six years old, 382 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: she actually just exploded on the family. She started attacking 383 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: her husband. When one of the boys tried to get 384 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: her off the husband, she kicks the twelve year old 385 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: boy and twists the arm of another one. It was 386 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: an all out frey with this thirty six year old 387 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: mom who just lost it when she realized the kids 388 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: were going to be underfoot and in the house and 389 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: she couldn't get away from anybody. Thirty six year old 390 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: Jessica Cambray, profile Utah just arrested overclaim she attacked the fiance, 391 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: tried to choke him, kicked one of the boys, twisted 392 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: another one's arms. Why upset her children would not be 393 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: at school? Attacking them because of the Corona virus. School 394 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: closures straight out to Karen Start New York psychologists way in. Well, 395 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: when you think about it, Nancy, and you have people 396 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: that are unstable, and as we keep saying, frightened, vulnerable, 397 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: here's somebody who clearly can't do it with her children 398 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: being home, and no one can predict how long this 399 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: is even go to last. And so we take this 400 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: unstable person, obviously your everyday mother, and she hears about 401 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: this and completely cannot contain herself, loses herself and attacks everybody. 402 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 1: Thirty six year old Jessica Cambray. You know I want 403 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: to go out to you, Cloyd Steiger. This happened a 404 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: little after midnight. As I always told juries, nothing good 405 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: happens after midnight, A major blowout over coronavirus after midnight, 406 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: choking her husband police. Can you imagine having to say 407 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: your mom twisted your arm and kick to you and 408 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: try to choke your dad when you're trying to help 409 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: your dad. Having to tell the cops that, yeah, you know, 410 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: in another life, years and years ago, I was a 411 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: patrol officer and went to those type of things all 412 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: the time. Two of my sons right now are Seattle 413 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: police officers and have to go to work every day 414 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: and that's the type of stuff they see and they 415 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: can't get away from it. Ter exposed. So it's just 416 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: like I said, like Karen said, people are cooped up, 417 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: and you know, we have a propensity for that to 418 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: begin with. Such just aggravates the whole thing. Right now, 419 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: we know she is under arrest in homes where domestic 420 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: violence or family violence is a reality. What should a 421 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: victim do right now? To Wendy Patrick, victims should assess 422 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: their options. They have family, they have friends, they may 423 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: have other places to live. It shouldn't be a choice, Nancy, 424 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: between being physically injured or physically ill. They should take 425 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: advantage of so many online resources. I mean, there are 426 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: so many people that are opening their homes, opening their businesses, 427 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: transforming hotels into shelters. It's changing by the day. So 428 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: there are options. And the very first thing I want 429 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: to say when I'm looking at all these victims is 430 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: you are not alone. There are many people that are 431 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: in this circumstance, and there are an increasing amount of 432 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: people that are stepping up willing to help you find options. 433 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: Rather than being under this horrific type of house arrest 434 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: where they're worried about the danger within. Another issue is 435 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: child abuse to you, you know, Joe Scott Morgan, you 436 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: have been in the investigative business for so long. I 437 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: anticipate a spike and child abuse and we may never 438 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: really know about it because children, the most vulnerable, can't 439 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: speak out. What do you think? Yeah, and I think 440 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: that one of the stressors that's involved with this is 441 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: that you have adults that are caretakers over children that 442 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: are unstable to begin with. Many times they're frustrated, they 443 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: can't get out of the house, and so they're going 444 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: to take advantage of and they're going to abuse the 445 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: weakest person in the house. This can extend to the 446 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: wife as well physically, but the target here are the children. 447 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: They're frustrated with them, and to live in an abusive 448 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: household like this, it means to live in fear. And 449 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: these children, if they make a wrong sound, if they 450 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: don't move quick enough for this individual, great harm can come. 451 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: To crime stories with Nancy Grace. From an apartment parking lot, 452 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: a Cape Coral officer heard panicked cries for help. As 453 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: he approached the building, the screams grew louder. The officer 454 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: says he spotted a man later ideed as Joseph Newell, 455 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: straddling his victim with what appeared to be his hands 456 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: around her neck. According to Newell's arrest report, he was 457 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: intoxicated and told them the woman had COVID nineteen, but 458 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: in reality she was six months pregnant. We are getting 459 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: ready for more calls. Jennifer Benton with the Abuse Counseling 460 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: and Treatment Center says they're seeing us spike in domestic 461 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: violence cases that could be linked to coronavirus. Definitely, people 462 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: are staying at home, they're more agitated. The center is 463 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: open to all looking for help, a hotline that operates 464 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day that will continue. We have 465 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: three shelters and they're open and they're staff twenty four 466 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: hours a day. We are here for people, especially now 467 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: with growing concerns over COVID nineteen. An attack goes down 468 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: based on belief, the false belief that a woman has 469 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,239 Speaker 1: coronavirus beaten brutally. You were just hearing our friend at 470 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: WBBHTV NBC two, Nestor Montoya speaking. We already know that 471 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: domestic violence and child abuse will rise during quarantines. Also, 472 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: at risk people will be neglected we will see deaths 473 00:31:55,280 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: while most Americans are inside their homes watching as worrying 474 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: desperate emails, almost screaming fear for unseen victims. During the 475 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: national shutdown, one Florida social worker writing of her fear 476 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: because of her disabled clients shut in their homes, unable 477 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: to even go to the bathroom. Child Protective Services fears 478 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: that families will run out of food, formula, and diapers 479 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: die of lack of treatment. You've got parents desperate to work, 480 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: but all that stress will it lead to child abuse? 481 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: In Manhattan, one worker says they are drowning trying to 482 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: get food and supplies to homeless people right now. While 483 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: most eyes are focused on hospitals and the ill, what 484 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: about the unseen victims will come back? I'm Nancy Grace. 485 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: This is crime stories. There was an outright war at 486 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: a Brooklyn Costco, another at a Sam's club in Georgia, 487 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: but a hate crime. Take a listen to this. An 488 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: Asian woman was punched in the face in Midtown and 489 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: what's being investigated as a possible coronavirus related bias attack. Yes, 490 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: the NYPD responded to this reported assault at a building 491 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: on West thirty fourth Street, A twenty three year old 492 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: woman told officer she was punched in the face by 493 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: a woman who also made anti Asian slurs before leaving 494 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: the scene. She was taken to the hospital in stable condition. 495 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: Police say the two women knew each other and attend 496 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: the same school. The zero tolerance for violence with our students. 497 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: We investigated the situation. The student was suspended immediately following 498 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: the situation. Now today on Twitter, First Lady Charlaine McCrae 499 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: told Asian American New Yorkers that your city dands with you. 500 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: Governor Cuelmo has directed the New York State Police Hate 501 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 1: Crimes Task Force to assist in that investigation. You're hearing 502 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: our friends there at ABC seven an Asian American hate 503 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: attack at a Brooklyn Costco today, Matt, what happened at 504 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Costco, Nancy. We actually had people that they 505 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 1: were doing a buying horde, you know, when people are 506 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: grabbing up all the toilet papers they can and piling 507 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: it in their buggies and just grabbing all these items 508 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: that we see as essential, and it just kind of 509 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: exploded on itself. And this manager who was there or 510 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 1: an employee, he was just trying to get everybody calm. 511 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 1: You know the video that we've seen his cell phone 512 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: video and you can hear this guy imploring them saying, please, 513 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: we're all in this together as human beings. We've got 514 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: to come together. He was just trying to calm the situation, and, 515 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: by the way, effectively did calm the situation down. So 516 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: this is what happened. A brawl breaks out at a 517 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: costco a man all the coronavirus tension, there have been 518 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: multiple altercations, but the attack in a midtown superstore apparently 519 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: was a hate attack on an Asian woman. Is that 520 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: what happened, Dave mac twenty three year old Asian woman 521 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,919 Speaker 1: did wasn't wearing a mask, and another woman who goes 522 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 1: to school with her at the Empire Beauty School actually 523 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: saw her outside of the school and said put your 524 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: mask on, and it escalated to an actual violent physical 525 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: attack where the one student who's unnamed right now was 526 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: hurling racial episodes and other things at the twenty three 527 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: year old Asian woman for not wearing her mask. It 528 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,280 Speaker 1: is being investigated as it now. That happened in midtown? 529 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: What was the store? Do we know it was on 530 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: the street? From my understanding, he was in the street 531 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: near where they went to school, and so basically the 532 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Costco incident was what. That's where we had a 533 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: number of people that were gathered together and people were 534 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: grabbing too much toilet paper or paper towels, and just 535 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: a group of people all kind of met up at 536 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: the cash register and there there were no toilet paper 537 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: rolls left, and people were frustrated that others had their 538 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: buggies piled up where they couldn't find any for their families. 539 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: And that's where the argument started, and one thing led 540 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: to another with people pushing and shoving and banging carts, 541 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,919 Speaker 1: and that's where the employee or manager was like, look, 542 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 1: we're all human beings. You've gotten to calm down. This 543 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: is ridiculous. We got to work together on well. From 544 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 1: midtown Manhattan to the Costco in Brooklyn to a Sam's 545 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:46,720 Speaker 1: Club in Hiram, Georgia, it doesn't seem to be ending. 546 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: But let's go across the country where apparently spring Breakers 547 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: aren't concerned about coronavirus. Take a listen to our friends 548 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: at WPLG Local ten Terrell Corny, and by now you've 549 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: heard all the stories about people's skeptical to travel, and 550 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: people avoiding large crowds because they're worried that this virus 551 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: could be easily transmitted. Well, none of that is happening 552 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: here on the beach. The fun is in full swing 553 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 1: on Fort Lauderdale Beach. It's been awesome, crazy. It's though 554 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: we're spring breakers from near and far are packing away. 555 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: They're worries. Any thought that crossed your mind at all 556 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 1: about canceling ah? Oh really honestly. In fact, sky ten 557 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,720 Speaker 1: captured this view of the coastline where droves of people 558 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: can be seen on the sand, visitors soaking up the 559 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: sun from Fort Lauderdale down to South Beach, where crowds 560 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,720 Speaker 1: are just as heavy. This despite the wave of coronavirus 561 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: scares sweeping the nation. Yes, we just don't care. I mean, 562 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 1: we talk about it all the time, but we can't 563 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: stop it. No real worries. We're young, we don't really 564 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: need to worry. Really, they don't need to be worried 565 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: about coronavirus. To Joseph Scott Morgan, professor forensic Jackson State 566 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: University death investigator, Joe Scott, that's just bass Ackwards. It's foolish, 567 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: absolutely foolish, you know it was let out early on 568 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: when we began to suffer from the coronavirus, that the 569 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: elderly were passing away. Well, that only makes sense because 570 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 1: they're the most vulnerable. And unfortunately people took that to 571 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 1: mean that if you're young, you're not gonna get it. 572 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: And apparently it applies here because this is stupid, and 573 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: I'll say it's stupid behavior on their part. Virus can 574 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: attack anybody at any time. That's why social distancing is 575 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: so important, and they're doing anything but distancing themselves. Well, 576 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: at first we thought the young were more less likely 577 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: to be attacked by coronavirus. I'm not sure that that's true. 578 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our forensic 579 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: w FLA Fox eight listen. Breaking news just into our 580 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: newsroom this morning. The University of Tampa has announced that 581 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,399 Speaker 1: five students who were traveling together over spring break i've 582 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: now tested positive for coronavirus. UT switched to online classes 583 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 1: earlier this week. Residence halls are still open for students 584 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: that have no other housing options. All others have been 585 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: sent home again. This breaking news. Five students now at 586 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: UT tested positive for coronavirus and joining me at the 587 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: same from Florida is psychologist Karen Stark. Karen, what are 588 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 1: you saying, Nancy? It would just blow your mind. It's 589 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: so upsetting. I see right whereon staying sons of young 590 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 1: people gathering together, barbecuing, laughing, and along the intracoastal you 591 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: see boats with crowds of kids on there, playing music, singing. 592 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: It's very frightening because they feel invincible, I guess, and 593 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: they are not listening to what's being told. You know, 594 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 1: it's amazing to me, Karen Stark. So I'm looking at 595 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: video of young people out twerking and partying on the beach. 596 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: Is that happening, Yes, except now they've decided to close 597 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: the beaches. So what's happening that I can see is 598 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,919 Speaker 1: they're going out on the intracoastal on boats, or they're 599 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 1: gathering in places where there are pools. They have them 600 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 1: closed the pools yet and getting together and making lots 601 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: of noise, just partying, partying as though we're all from school. 602 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 1: This is the time, we're invincible. We could just have 603 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 1: a good time. And they don't seem to understand there 604 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: are people here that don't believe that it's real, that 605 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: think it's a hoax, and it's very hard if you're 606 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,839 Speaker 1: somebody like me who's social distancing to say we're social distancing, 607 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,359 Speaker 1: please stay away from us. So we have to be 608 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: very careful. Joe Scott, please address the danger of coronavirus 609 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: and why we are social distancing. Yeah, Nancy, you know, 610 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: the thing about this is that you know it can't 611 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,320 Speaker 1: be seen, you don't know where it might be existing. 612 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,720 Speaker 1: This is a very robust virus. We talk about things 613 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: in science like the surface life of a virus. Some 614 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:16,239 Speaker 1: things are fragile. Coronavirus is not. It's what we refer 615 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 1: to as robust. That means that even if someone sneezes 616 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: on a surface, that virus is not necessarily going to 617 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: die immediately. There are some studies that have taken it 618 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:30,720 Speaker 1: out several days as a survivabal and so it'll latch 619 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 1: onto another host, viable hosts, another person that touches that surface. 620 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: If you're within six feet of an individual and they 621 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 1: call for they sneeze, they've got some kind of upper 622 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: respionratory problem, then that's going to transfer onto that person. 623 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 1: Then they touch their face. It is absolutely essential that 624 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 1: people distance themselves from one another. Wait till the storm 625 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 1: passes over, and I can't assure you it will. This 626 00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: is not the bubonic plague. Viruses have a lot and 627 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 1: you cannot stop it. We can't stop influenza. You know 628 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: that we go through the flu season. That's why they 629 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: call it that We're going to go through the corona season. 630 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,359 Speaker 1: It will eventually phase out, but people have to stay 631 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,359 Speaker 1: away from one another because it's highly contagious. We wait 632 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 1: as justice unfolds, and our prayers now for a cure 633 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: for coronavirus. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, Goodbye friend,