1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They call 6 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you 8 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff 9 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. It's the top of 10 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: the week, which means it's time for our strange news 11 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: segment and we have some doozies here. Actually, before we 12 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: started rolling, we were talking back and forth about some 13 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: of the difficulties we had just getting this down to 14 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: three stories. Several of these may be familiar, but it's 15 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: gonna be very strange if you are already aware of 16 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: all three. So I gotta say, Noel. As soon as 17 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: you told us about your story for today. Uh, I 18 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: was torn, man, because my my first reaction was this 19 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: is terrible and frightening, and my second reaction was this 20 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: would look so cool in a sci fi film. Yeah, well, 21 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's probably something you've seen in sci 22 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: Fi phones. It makes me think of Terminator too, when 23 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: you see that epic scene of the actual Terminator exoskeletons 24 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: crushing skulls, you know, with their giant bulldozer things, and 25 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: there's these flying like U a V looking things with 26 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: you know, mounted laser cannons. One would assume this is 27 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: sort of like that, only like, you know, a little 28 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: more grounded, and uh, what I guess passes for a 29 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: reality these days. Uh. There's an article in Express dot 30 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: co dot UK. The headline really says at all British 31 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: Army and veils first shotgun arm drone which uses AI 32 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: to take down enemies wait for it, indoors close combat drone, 33 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: close car. It's exactly right, Matt, close combat drones. And 34 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: you sort of think to your stuff like, well, that 35 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: seems like a thing that they would have already done, 36 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: or that somebody would have already had. This idea doesn't 37 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: seem particularly unique. But it turns out that UM drones 38 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: need open spaces to fly efficiently because of a lot 39 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: of things, because you know, you don't bumping into stuff, 40 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: but also just air current and apparently indoors and close 41 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: quarters walls actually disrupt the airflow. In such a way 42 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: that can cause the drones to become on wheeldy when 43 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: they fly. And the British Army is working with a 44 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: company to develop these particularly sophisticated drones that are armed 45 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: with double barrel too, double barrel shotguns that can fly indoors. 46 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: And the one really important use for this would be, 47 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: let's say you've breached the walls of an enemy stronghold 48 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: of some kind and and you you want to send 49 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: folks in like you know, swat style, or you kick 50 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: in the doors and do all the cool hand movements 51 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: and all that stuff, and you know, throwing up the 52 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: different six signals and flanking and whatnot. Uh, And that's 53 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: when a lot of people die because you're going into 54 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 1: unknown territory and there's usually people waiting, you know, fully 55 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: armed to to take you out. And so you're kind 56 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: of at a disadvantage there. With these little guys, you 57 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: can send them in ahead to scout the thing because 58 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: they'd be equipped with cameras too, but they're also equipped 59 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: with close range blasters essentially that can take some of 60 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: these enemy combatants down literally. I gotta say I fully 61 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: retract my earlier statement about this being cool in a 62 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: sci fi sense, because I was thinking of something different 63 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: that maybe will happen. I initially in my head was 64 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: thinking of a drone that will be small enough to 65 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: be mounted on a shotgun or another firearm such that 66 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: you could shoot that that you could discharge the firearm, 67 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: and then if someone is running away, you can click 68 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: another trigger and then a drone goes after them to 69 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: monitor them. That's what That's what I was thinking. That 70 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: is imaginative, my friend, I like that that se says 71 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: something out of like an anime or or maybe total 72 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: recall or something that's super cool. Um. But yeah, these 73 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: are these are drones with these are firearms with firearms 74 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: attached to them. Uh, they have six rotors, um and 75 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: it uses a combination of AI and sort of more 76 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: advanced physics to stay in the air in these small rooms. 77 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: They don't say exactly how it does it, but a 78 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: lot of of these drones that we're talking about, even 79 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: the smaller ones, deal with the phenomenon that is a 80 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: very um affectionately referred to as wall suck, which because 81 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: that thing I was talking about earlier, which it can 82 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: cause drones with heavier payloads or carrying heavier equipment to 83 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: crash because of the way the air is displaced when 84 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: they're indoors. Um, that makes sense. I've seen, uh, there 85 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: are other drones that have that kind of weaponry. I 86 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: think Russia's as reported by The Verge specifically, does have 87 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: a drone with a literal shotgun mounted on the frame. 88 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: But that thing I think would just from the shape 89 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: of it, looks like it would be vulnerable to wall 90 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: suck like you're describing, uh, and it's meant at least 91 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: officially to hunt down other drones. But with this, I 92 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: think from the design you're describing that those multiple uh, 93 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:47,799 Speaker 1: multiple rotors give it much more I guess, agility, freedom 94 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: of movement, and it can work with that lack of 95 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: air currents. Because you're right, a lot of these, especially 96 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: the ones that seem kind of design almost like paper 97 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: planes or stereotypical plane, a lot of those feel like 98 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: they have to have a ton of open space, which 99 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: just would render the museless indoors. So this is technologically speaking, 100 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: this is a great breakthrough. But what do you I mean, 101 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: what do you think is gonna happen? Or are they 102 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: so they're announcing these they've unveiled them, but do they 103 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: have a time when they're coming out. Yeah, we were trying. 104 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: We were all three of us trying to find some 105 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: footage or like a prototype photo or something, and doesn't 106 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: seem like it's at that level. Is may I don't 107 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: know if this is announced, that this is like a 108 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: leak or something, but UM, there's a couple of articles 109 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: about it. This one on Gizmoto has a little bit 110 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 1: more info. UM. It was it's something that's being UH 111 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: spearheaded by the United Kingdom Strategic Command, which is the 112 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: agency that supports the Ministry of Defense UM, and they 113 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: are the company that is developing these battle drones. UM 114 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: has has gone has remained unnamed UM. But we do 115 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: know that the model number under development is something called 116 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: the I nine and that it is operated by a 117 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: person with the remote control UM and the AI. In 118 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: addition to helping maintain the equilibrium, indoors also identifies targets, 119 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: so it essentially has like predator vision on board, is 120 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: kind of targeting capabilities. I'm assuming with some kind of 121 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: infrared or some ability you know, night vision or what 122 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: have you, you you know, for different situations. There's an article 123 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: in the Times UH that has I think maybe it's 124 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: a picture of the drone. Is it the I nine 125 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: with the six the hexicopter, because I think that's just 126 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: an example of a hexicopter drone. But I haven't looked 127 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: at Sorry, I haven't looked at the times I was 128 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: looking at Forbes. This thing is being reported all over 129 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: the place, but again it's in slightly different ways. And 130 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: maybe it's just because some of the reporting is bringing 131 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: in mention of several other types of drones and several 132 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: other companies, so it's a little confusing as to whether 133 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: or not they are naming the company or not. But uh, 134 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: in several of its that it does say in as 135 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: of yet to be named company, that's right, That's what 136 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: I'm saying too. And and this would be the only 137 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: purpose for this thing, um, the indoor close combat stuff. 138 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: It could actually be used to knock other drones out 139 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: of the sky. Um. And there could be other models 140 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: that replace these dual shotguns with a small rocket launcher 141 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: or a chain gun, which I believe is kind of 142 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: like an automatic machine gun type situation, isn't it. Yeah, 143 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: a chain gun is insane, like a gatling gun, right. Uh, 144 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: that's the craziest thing to me. Is that whatever a 145 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: either're using to control the actual stabilization of the vehicle, Like, 146 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: that's got to be so robust to be able to 147 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: fire something with so much force and still be flying 148 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: in the air enough for a human pilot to continue 149 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: to pilot it, because you you just imagine the shake 150 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: that would occur if you blasted backwards against the wall. Yeah, 151 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: the recoil resistance is clearly one of the primary breakthroughs 152 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: I think from a programming and an engineering perspective. But 153 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: the thing is that as regardless of how smart a 154 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: drone can be, we have to remember that a shotgun 155 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: is dumb and bullets are dumb. It's not as though 156 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: a shotgun, at least the kind they're talking about, will 157 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: have ammunition that is capable somehow of differentiating between a 158 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: target and a civilian. Like innocent people will likely die 159 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: if something like this is deployed inside a council estate, 160 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: which is kind of like a subsidized housing in the UK. 161 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: They're they're crowded, dense areas. I don't I would be 162 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: interested to hear how the AI is aiming to uh 163 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: differentiate between targets and find the right person because facial 164 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: recognition is screwed right now. It's it's clearly got problems 165 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: that that's that's a really good point. And I will 166 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: say it does require input from the operator to actually 167 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: deploy any kind of you know, weaponry on a target. 168 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: So it's not it's not like the thing could just 169 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: decide on its own to to murder people and correct yeah, yeah, 170 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: and correct me if I'm wrong. But I think it's 171 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: specifically because of being designed by the armed forces, it's 172 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: specifically for conflicts essentially that are occurring, you know, in 173 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: Afghanistan or another country where there's there's an official essentially 174 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: war conflict. True, yeah, but yeah, exactly. That's how this 175 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: stuff rolls out right, tested out in UH, tested out 176 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: in a country that will test out in a country 177 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: that is a war zone, right skirt some of the 178 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: other legal strictions that would exist in your country, and 179 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: then give it to the law enforcement of your home country. 180 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what, Like, why do you think there's 181 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: so many m wraps UH as part of US law 182 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: enforcement today? There's a huge business. Well, it's the same 183 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: thing that we talked about with that slippery slope, with 184 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: that clear view. Facial recognition software where it's oh no, 185 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: this is only for law enforcement, guys, don't be crazy, 186 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: you know. But in the same way that a lot 187 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: of things like tasers and radar detectors, and we've talked 188 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: about this, you know, uh, start off as only for 189 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: law enforcement or only military. Eventually if they're affordable enough 190 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: or can be copied with something like this, you know. 191 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm surely it's gonna be quite expensive, but 192 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: I can't imagine it'd be as expensive as like one 193 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: of those massive U A v s you know that 194 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: look like a small airplane. I mean, you know, it's 195 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: probably be like tens of thousands of dollars rather than 196 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: like hundreds of thousands of And that's just my guests. 197 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: I just picture a world where if you wanted to, 198 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: you could get your own dual got gun drone. People 199 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 1: make them. People have been making uh you know, and 200 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: like the backyard experiment level people have been making this stuff, 201 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: uh in their own houses. The thing is again the 202 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: recoil problem. I'm sure you can find plenty of videos 203 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: where someone's like, all right, we're gonna fire the gun 204 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: I mounted on this drone and then you see the 205 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: camera on the drone just sort of go smashes into 206 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: a tree. Um. This is something that's on the radar 207 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: of some you know, human rights organizations. I mean, first 208 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: of all, a US company, Duke Robotics, recently released an 209 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 1: octacopter that can carry heavy weapons to quote be used 210 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: in various military applications including here's where it gets crazy, 211 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: ben border patrol, law enforcement, drone on drone warfare, and 212 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: counter terrorism. Jeez, I just out of notes again, slippery slope. 213 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: And then there's actually Human Rights Watch published a paper 214 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: recently that you know, kind of talked about some of 215 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: the issues behind lethal autonomous weapons, uh, but also mentioned 216 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: that they quote can have military and humanitarian benefits um. 217 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: And that was a paper that was delivered in August 218 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: of last year at the Convention on Conventional Weapons Group 219 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: of Governmental Experts uh and in a reference to the 220 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: uk UM research as well. And then last thing, there's 221 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: this is real. There's an organization. Yeah, it's not an organization, 222 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: but it's like, I guess, a movement. It's called, yeah, 223 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: the coalition. It's called the Campaign to Stop Killer Robots. UH. 224 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: And that's the thing you can look into yourself, if 225 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: this is a stance that you want to take they're 226 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: there for you. Um. And it says quote the US, China, Israel, 227 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: South Korea, Russia and the UK developing weapons systems with 228 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: significant autonomy and the critical functions of selecting and attacking targets. Um. 229 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: Because you know, the next logical step is eliminating the 230 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: human element entirely. If we know, if we believe, it's 231 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: the same without autonomous vehicles, I mean, those things are 232 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: death machines. Yeah potentially. Yeah, I didn't agree it's hotonomous vehicles. Yeah, man, 233 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: look at the math, you know, I mean potentially. I'm 234 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: just saying potentially a vehicle is a leafal weapon. So yeah, sure, 235 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: for I mean I understand that you're that you're behind 236 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: the science and the and the systems, and they do 237 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: tend to be very efficient. But you know, you could 238 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: apply that same logic. If we get far enough along 239 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: the technology, someone's gonna be like, well, who needs humans anymore? 240 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: Let's just the machines. Know we've programmed them to to 241 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: know the difference. Let's just let them let it roll. 242 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: The future of humanity is ghost haunting an automated house, 243 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: right where we don't have agency to make uh, just 244 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: visions and so on. Yeah. The thing with the reason 245 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: I'm hobby horsing on autonomous vehicles, which I personally, I 246 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: personally wouldn't want one, is that they the science is there, 247 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: if the infrastructure is in place, and if the majority 248 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: of vehicles are autonomous, then the highways become much safer. 249 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: That's true. But then I guess the next question is 250 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: how far away are we from someone getting an autonomous 251 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: vehicle and mounting weapons on that one day and then 252 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: just setting it on it's merry way. What autonomous weapons 253 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: safeguards that we have in place? We don't. The legislation 254 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: will catch up after the deaths, unfortunately. That's right. And 255 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: another part of the statement from this campaign to Stop 256 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: Killer Robots says that this type of automation of lethal 257 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: weapons quote shifts the burden of conflict even further onto civilians, 258 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: which I think is an interesting way of looking at it. 259 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about. It's it's the collateral damage 260 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: that you can't event with a shotgun or a rocket launch. 261 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: But it's acceptable, Matt. It's within a margin. It's it's 262 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: within an acceptable margin. Yeah, if you get one enemy combatant, 263 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: then job done, right. It's kind of like you know 264 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: those quotes you here every so often the military that 265 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: say we killed you know, x amount of people, We 266 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: killed ten people. We were mainly gunning for this one person. 267 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: But because we killed that one person, we saved two 268 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: thousand people. So if you'll look at the math, right, 269 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: and then they start doing that insidious game, then they'll say, really, 270 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: we save nine thousand, nine and ninety people. You just 271 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: have to subtract to ten, which is a terrible thing. 272 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: But but I guess we're gonna see these pretty soon, 273 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: because make no mistake, if there is research like this 274 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: going on in any country in the US is doing 275 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: it as well as a matter of policy, that's like, 276 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: we don't. That's just our government deciding it doesn't want 277 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 1: to have some kind of defense or technological gap. Yeah, 278 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: that's absolutely right. And then it really is just kind 279 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: of uh, you know, it's one of those things that 280 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: if unchecked, could lead to a an escalation of this 281 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: kind of thing, you know, fully autonomous. Um. Because we're 282 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: pretty confident in our tech. We sure, we we like it. 283 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: We like a good tech, you know. Uh, and the 284 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: less the more we can you know, eliminate a job 285 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: if we don't need it. The better. Yeah for us, 286 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: for some of these folks. That's a very excellent point. Uh, 287 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: story for a different day. But why does everybody forget 288 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: We're not gonna go directly to a post work economy. 289 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: We're gonna go to a post worker economy. People will 290 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: still need jobs, they just won't be around. It's there. 291 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: There are a lot of plots was between us and 292 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: the utopian world of star trek Uh. But there we 293 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: have it. Thanks for bringing that on any any last 294 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: words on this pet, well not not on that really 295 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,719 Speaker 1: quickly that I couldn't. I couldn't help myself. This came 296 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: up when I was looking for stories today. Um unrelated 297 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: to anything or even remotely conspiratoral, but maybe. Uh. There 298 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: is a new e book released on Amazon by m J. 299 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: Edwards that's called Kissing the Coronavirus and I want to 300 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: read you. I want to read you. That distract description 301 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: real quick. She was supposed to cure the coronavirus. Instead, 302 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 1: she fell in love with it. Dr Alexa ashington Ford 303 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: is part of a crack team of scientists tasked with 304 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: finding the cure to the devastating coronavirus. Little did she 305 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: know she would end up falling in love with it 306 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: in this steamy viral erotica, Kissing Coronavirus is a steamy 307 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: tale about forbidden love and dark design has come to life. 308 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: That's that's real, and you could purchase that. Yeah, it's free, 309 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: absolutely free on Kindall Love Unlimited, and it's six bucks 310 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: on paperback. But the part that they don't really put 311 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: the front and center is that it's only fifteen pages long. 312 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: That's amazing. Well, sorry, I had to I could, I 313 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: couldn't know myself, and that's all I got. I think 314 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: we can take a quick break from our spots there 315 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: and then come back with some more actual strange news. Hello, 316 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: and we are back, and for this next story, we well, 317 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give credit where credit is due. My 318 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: wife showed me a portion of a YouTube video she 319 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: was watching on the night prior to this, and it 320 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: was on the feed of one Paris Hilton, The Paris Hilton, 321 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: The Paris Hilton, the one, and um, to be completely honest, 322 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: this is not somebody that I have thought about or 323 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: you know, honestly been looking at anything from for for 324 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: a long time. I guess because Paris Hilton had such 325 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: a large stardom what was that the early two thousand's 326 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: any being an heiress, that's right. But she was always 327 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: paling around with what's her face, Lionel Richie's daughter, and 328 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: they had like a reality show where they like worked 329 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: on a farm or something. You know, is the Walmart 330 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: cell walls. That's one of the snack able quote. But yeah, 331 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, yeah, I think people know who this 332 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: individual is. It was a golden time for vapid celebrity culture, 333 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: that's for sure. We're still in those halcyon days, you 334 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yes, And you know, before you 335 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: judge Paris Hilton too hard, everybody out there, Um there, 336 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: I would say in those times, that is very much 337 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: the way I received the message that was Paris Hilton, right. 338 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: Uh felt those feelings were very much mutual. Um. I'm 339 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,479 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that I'm completely one eight on 340 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: on her, but what my wife showed me definitely, um 341 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: made her much more three dimensional. Uh, and in in 342 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:33,479 Speaker 1: a very interesting and heartbreaking way. She released something on 343 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: YouTube called the Real Story of Paris Hilton. This is 344 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: Paris Official documentary. You can probably just look up this 345 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: is Paris Official documentary and you can watch it for 346 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: free on YouTube right now. And UM again, to be 347 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: honest with you, I wasn't terribly interested in most of 348 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: the hour and forty that exists within that documentary. However, 349 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: there are a few sections in here where paris herself 350 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: UM and along with several other people, they get together 351 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: and they discuss their experiences in what is described as 352 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: UM a series of boarding houses and institutions that are 353 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: meant to curb bad behavior and doing that in quotations 354 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: that exist within teenagers and a lot of the these 355 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: specific facilities that are mentioned in the documentary are meant 356 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: to cater to those children of the wealthy. Really, that's 357 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: what it is, UM. If you put yourself in the 358 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: shoes of a parent, UM, my child is exhibiting behaviors 359 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: that I do not want He or she too, are 360 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: they to exhibit? And I am, you know, I don't 361 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: know what to do. I've sent her to these other place. 362 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: Is these these other educational facilities that don't seem to 363 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: be working. Now I'm going to center to this other 364 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,959 Speaker 1: place that is a whole different breed of of facility. 365 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: We're not playing around now. It's the it's the newer 366 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: iteration or a concurrent iteration of the old trope of 367 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: sending a kid off the military school. Yeah, one example 368 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: of this with the same uh degradations and violations, which 369 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: I imagine we'll get into. Yes, let's let's jump ahead 370 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: a bit here. Um. Within this documentary, Paris Hilton divulges 371 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: that she had been through many of these institutions. She 372 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: had in many of them, she had done things like 373 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: called her grandfather and had him come and pick her up. 374 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: She would escape by one way or another, sometimes running 375 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: with a friend or another child who had escaped, running 376 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: through the wilderness until they were caught. Um. She had 377 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: essentially done several prison breaks, and then eventually her parents 378 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: had had enough and they wanted to I guess they 379 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: just decided to take that next step that we've been 380 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: describing here. They were going to send her to essentially 381 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: a prison where children are kept and educated in various ways. 382 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: And she divulged within the documentary that at seventeen, she 383 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: was awoken in the middle of the night. There were 384 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 1: people individuals from this specific school called the Provo Canyon School, 385 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: and she was taken from her home forcibly in the 386 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: middle of the night. Her parents were there watching and 387 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: crying as it was occurring, and this was a very 388 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: traumatic event for her. I mean, obviously, right, doesn't matter 389 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: who you are if you have that shaven um. Really traumatic. 390 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: And once she got there in the middle of nowhere 391 00:24:54,280 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: in Provo, Utah, she was kept for eleven months and 392 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: while she was there, she along with the other students, 393 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: were prescribed medications, pills that were unknown to them. They 394 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't as though they consulted with a 395 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: psychiatrist or something, and then they were prescribed a pill. 396 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: And then there's an understanding or something that these are 397 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: children and we will give them the medication that they need. 398 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: Essentially is what the feeling is here. We're forced them 399 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: to take it. They were forcing punishment. They were forcing 400 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: them to take it with a risk of punishment, and 401 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: so many horrible things about this. I feel like I 402 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: know exactly. Okay, Yeah, The concept here is that there 403 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: were control mechanisms for the facility to use on the children, 404 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: so mood stabilizers andidepressants, things that are going to make 405 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: the children tired and numb really so that they aren't 406 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: acting out in ways that the facility and perhaps the 407 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: parents see as acting out. Um. There was also again 408 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: alleged by Paris and several other children who had gone 409 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: through this specific school PCs or Provo Canyon School. UM. 410 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: They described physical abuse, solitary confinement, and the one that 411 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: Paris describes here, which is animated very well in my opinion, 412 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: in in the show itself. In the documentary, she describes 413 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: being sent to a confinement chamber for nearly twenty hours 414 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: where she was stripped of most of her clothes and 415 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: left in the cold. And when she was in this moment, 416 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: she describes it as having realizations about her life, about 417 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: what she needs to do to survive. Essentially, and she, 418 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: in that moment, at least according to this documentary, decides 419 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: to create the version of Paris Hilton that we all 420 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: know as Paris Hilton, her specific speech patterns, the way 421 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 1: she was going to live her life that she believed 422 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,239 Speaker 1: would be UM, I guess interesting enough to make her 423 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: a celebrity, to be successful. And it was because of 424 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: this just terrible treatment that you know, at least according 425 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: to her and some of and some of her friends 426 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: and family there, this was this was the moment that 427 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: Parashulton was born. Essentially, UM, the version that we know, 428 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: I don't know it's just very, very strange, and she 429 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: describes a lot of the same things that perhaps we 430 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: imagined when we discussed Britney Spears several months or visit 431 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: months now weeks, I don't even know how long. It was, Like, 432 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: we don't know everything that someone has gone through when 433 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: they are a celebrity, right, and we don't know, um 434 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: how they got there. And I don't know really what 435 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: I'm staying here. It's just I guess in the end, 436 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: this really did change the way I think about her 437 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: and made me feel like maybe I was being quite 438 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: a bit too judgmental early on, even though the actions 439 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: that Paris was taking when she was very popular on 440 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: television all the time and the sona that she was 441 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: projecting was not something that I liked. Um yeah, I 442 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: don't know, yeah, but I I see you in that, man, 443 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: and I think it's something that we're we're somewhere between 444 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: encouraged and indoctrinated to do in modern celebrity culture. Now, 445 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: like you, you're not supposed to think of these of 446 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: people as living, breathing people with all the flaws, all 447 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: the horrors, and all the noble components that every human 448 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: being has. And you're not supposed to think of them 449 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: as having rights. Would you talk about that image? The 450 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 1: first thing that pops into my mind, I'm sure a 451 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: lot of our fellow listeners is uh, the control that 452 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: producers have when they curate reality in a reality show. 453 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: I'm using air quotes reality show and this. Um, this 454 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: then seems like there's an argument that the public persona 455 00:28:54,800 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 1: people are aware of today is crafted in some to 456 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: some degree as a response to abuse. Would you say 457 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: that's the long and short of it. I mean, there's 458 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: certainly evidence to support that, right, Um. You know, my 459 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: my wife, we've talked about this before in the show 460 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: of My wife specifically works with children who are classified 461 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: in the state of Georgia as having emotional behavioral disorders. 462 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: And they are generally children who have been kicked out 463 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: of one institution or another in order to end up 464 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: where in the program that my wife is a part of. 465 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: And I I mean, you know, they're off the obviously 466 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: hippo laws and everything. She can't tell me the full 467 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: story of any child, and she can't tell me really 468 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: any full details of any child, but we can we 469 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: talk more on the surface of things, and you know, 470 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: categories and almost like you're saying, almost all of these 471 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: children have gone through something terribly traumatic. Um, and are 472 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: you know? And again, I'm not a psychologist, not I 473 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: don't know what I'm talking about. I just know that 474 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: the commonality here is trauma and then attempting to express 475 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: and and work through those feelings, and and doing it 476 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: in ways that I guess society at large views as negative. Um. God, 477 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: that's vague as hell, And I'm sorry, but that that's 478 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: I know. I don't think so. I think you're you're 479 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: you're spot on, And I mean, to me, it's a 480 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: matter of like control, too, of of being able to 481 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: control one's own destiny, perhaps in a really extreme fashion, 482 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: but you know, it's an extreme backlash too extreme things 483 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: that have happened to someone like this. I really please, 484 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: don't anybody act like I'm being justmember flippant when I 485 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: used this as an example. But it's like superhero origin stories, 486 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, it takes something very traumatic to happen to somebody, 487 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: oftentimes for them to make this huge pivot to like 488 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: I am going to self style myself as the antithesis 489 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: of this thing that I was that was weak or 490 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 1: that was this version of myself that allowed me to 491 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: be taken advantage of or allowed me to be a victim, 492 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: and I'll never be that again. And so I'll like 493 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: be the most extreme version in the other direction. Joseph campbells. Yeah, 494 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: the hero with a thousand faces right there is it's 495 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: just real quick. If you guys are okay with it, 496 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: I would like to share some realities of what's called 497 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: the trouble team industry and why those It's just my opinion, 498 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: I don't think you should ever send your kids to 499 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: a place like this. First, there's like zero regulation from 500 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: multimillion dollar industry in the U S alone. The punishments 501 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: are ineffective, they don't work. Kids have died in these 502 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: programs because of those punishments. Like you said, Matt, kids 503 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: are getting snatched Elian Gonzales style from their homes. Uh. 504 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: I believe you said Paris Hilton had to call her 505 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: grand father right to get out. Uh. And and just 506 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: being able to get outside communication is quite a coup. 507 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: In many of these programs, they are private companies, which 508 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: means they are profit motivated U and the like. Again, 509 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: the the thing about the methods they use that are 510 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: brutish and insane is that they are ineffective. Look at 511 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: our earlier episodes on whether or not torture works, spoil 512 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: or alert it doesn't. And that's what they're doing. And 513 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: that's a I mean, it's a good point, Ben, And 514 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: I don't disagree with your opinion, sir. I'm sorry, it's 515 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: just again, I'm not a psychologist. I'm not. Yeah, it's 516 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: the same, it's the same, right, But if I totally 517 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: agree with your assessment, though, UM, it feels as though 518 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: they don't work if they are being if the children 519 00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: are being treated like prisoners. And the scary thing is 520 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: that for decades there has been thinking within the field 521 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: of psychology. There's been all kinds of testing that's been 522 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: occurring to see what would actually benefit a quote unquote 523 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: troubled team. And one of the big, one of the 524 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: big things that UM was purported to work really well 525 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: was something called wilderness therapy and being out in the 526 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: middle of nowhere like this place in Provo Canyon, doing 527 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: hard labor, working with your hands, creating other parts of 528 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: the facility, actually creating buildings, building stuff, chopping wood, um 529 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: refining things like that, working with equipment, and being extremely 530 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: regimented the way a military would be UM. And at 531 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: so many of these places, abuse, terrible abuse has been 532 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: alleged by individuals within the facilities, and sometimes in a 533 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: few select cases abuse at the time top of a 534 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: food chain, within within one of these organizations, and those 535 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: are few and far between. But when something like that 536 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: is alleged, UM, it hits really hard. And I just 537 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: want to put out here if, UM, if anyone's listening 538 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: has ever been through something like this, before we move 539 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: on to any of the other stuff, please write to us, 540 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: let us know your experience, let us know if you 541 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: went to the Provo Canyon protests that Paris, Hilton and 542 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: numerous others just did. They just held a large protest too, 543 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: to shut down the school and to possibly even I 544 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: don't know, have some other kind of regulations brought forth 545 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: just on the industry in general. UM. And if you 546 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: are interested in any of that stuff and you aren't 547 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: aware of it, I would recommend heading to the website 548 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: breaking Code Silence dot net. That's b R E A 549 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: k I n G C O d E s I 550 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: L E n c E dot net. They're also hashtags 551 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: on instag him and other places where you can join 552 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: the conversation there um, but this is where people are 553 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: sharing their stories about going through a school like this 554 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: and and what they went through and how they're coping. Really, 555 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: the final final thing here is that pro Vocanyon School, 556 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: which is the the institution in question here that Paris 557 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: was talking about. They put forth a statement and from 558 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: October nine, and in their statement they're saying that the 559 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: pro Vocanyan School was sold in August of two thousand 560 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: and they cannot comment on operations or patient experience prior 561 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: to that timeline, which we get it. They're they're a 562 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: for profit institution. Like we said, they can't come out 563 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: and well at least it's probably it would be difficult 564 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: for them to come out and apologize or you know, 565 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,280 Speaker 1: do some kind of pr move that would make people 566 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: feel a little better. What they do say is that 567 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: the school will provides quote a structured environment, teaching life lessons, 568 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: providing behavioral health therapy, and continuing education for youth who 569 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: come to us with pre existing and complex emotional, behavioral 570 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: and psychiatric needs. That's the official word from from the 571 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: school and you can check that out at pro Vo 572 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: p R O V O C A N y O 573 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: N dot com. Provocanean dot com and let us know 574 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: if you would be interested in hearing a full episode 575 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: on this industry, which is wildly successful financially. I think 576 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: we would also want to pay special attention to what's 577 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: called conversion therapy, which is UH the use of institutionalization 578 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: and pretty brutish methods UH to try to make young people, 579 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,399 Speaker 1: to try to fundamentally change young people's UH sexual identity 580 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: or orientation, which is still for some reason still legal. 581 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,879 Speaker 1: Only nineteen states have banned this, counting d C. But yeah, 582 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: this is a big problem. So let us know if 583 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: you'd like to hear more about it, and as Matt said, 584 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: share your stories with us. We'd love to hear them. 585 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: Now we'll pause for one more word from our sponsor 586 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: and will head back to the skies. Uh no shotguns 587 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: this time. Well, we don't know, because whatever is up 588 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: there is unidentified and we're back. So this was this 589 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 1: was hard for me to avoid mentioning because I try 590 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: not to bug you guys on the weekends because like, 591 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,439 Speaker 1: the last thing they need is is crazy text from 592 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 1: this Gibroni butts. Here's what happened quite recently. Harry Reid, 593 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: who you have heard about if you follow the US news, 594 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: was recently in a documentary, and this documentary is called 595 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: The Phenomenon from a director named James Fox. Harry says 596 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: something interesting. You recognize him as the former Senate Majority 597 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: Leader of the US. He said that the US government 598 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: has been hiding key details about UFOs for years and years. Well, 599 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: this is something that Matt Noll, the team and I 600 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,280 Speaker 1: predicted it was. It's not like we're reading tea leaves. 601 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: It was a pretty easy prediction to make. But he 602 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: goes on in this documentary and says some very choice things. 603 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: He said, uh, quote why the federal government all these 604 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,240 Speaker 1: years has covered up, put brake pads on everything, stopped 605 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: it meaning the investigations or the coverage of investigations. I 606 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: think it's very very bad for our country, says read. 607 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: He also says that he is aware that most of 608 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: the research that was conducted, which we know a little 609 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: bit about, has not yet seen the light of day. 610 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 1: He says that there are not only UFOs that the 611 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: federal government cannot explain, but there's quote more than one 612 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: up there, which is bonkers. Right for this guy to 613 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,280 Speaker 1: confirm that, uh, he as Senate Majority Leader and given 614 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,720 Speaker 1: his various committees that he was on, Uh, he would 615 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: have access to this information. Like if this came out 616 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:40,399 Speaker 1: in eighteen would be huge news. But we're in where 617 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: huge news is hitting like every seven minutes. And correct 618 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,720 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. This in the involvement that Harry 619 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,280 Speaker 1: Reid had with this with the UFO programs was announced 620 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 1: a little while ago. When when that when that footage 621 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: first came out, right, um, the Navy footage because here 622 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,760 Speaker 1: he wasn't Harry Reid one of the guys that disclosed 623 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,280 Speaker 1: that it was an ongoing program. Yes, that's correct, Matt. 624 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: He was one of the lawmakers behind that classified program 625 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: which has been officially closed. But since he's left office, 626 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: he's been more and more outspoken about it. I think 627 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,799 Speaker 1: I think we all know. Okay, it's like you have 628 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: a job where you can't officially say stuff like we 629 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,879 Speaker 1: probably all have friends who for the bulk of their 630 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: life couldn't have social media because of their career. Uh, 631 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 1: this guy's in a similar situation, right, And you're retired, 632 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: your friend retires, and all of a sudden there are 633 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 1: a savage on Facebook or Twitter or whatever, and now 634 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 1: this guy is becoming increasingly outspoken. I think he's testing 635 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 1: the waters. We do wanna, I do want to emphasize. Uh. 636 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:55,359 Speaker 1: He is adamant that the investigation should prize science and 637 00:40:55,440 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: not assume extra terrestrials. But keep in mind, we as 638 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: a species spend billions and billions and billions of dollars 639 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: monitoring the sky, and we're mostly watching the sky because 640 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: we don't trust each other and history has proven we 641 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: should never trust each other as countries. But we're seeing 642 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 1: things that all these billions of dollars still can't explain, 643 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: which to me is like what a time to be 644 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: alive moment? Can you imagine we're finding It's just like 645 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:34,279 Speaker 1: Venus were finding alien life right as we close the 646 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: curtain on life on Earth. I don't know, but but 647 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,959 Speaker 1: it's it's strange though you would think, and again we're 648 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: not the people in charge of the skies, but you 649 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 1: would think that with all the money, all the blood, sweat, time, 650 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: tears and treasures spent, we at least in the U 651 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: S would have a slightly better asp of what's going on. 652 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: Or I mean, what do you guys think? Do you 653 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: think it's Do you think we're monitoring our own planes? 654 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: Do you think those pilots are seeing things that are 655 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 1: like skunk works products? I mean, that's you know, we've 656 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,840 Speaker 1: talked about it before. It seems as though that is 657 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:21,840 Speaker 1: the most likely explanation for most unexplained aerial phenomena. Is 658 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 1: that the is that you? Is that it now? Or no? Yes? Okay, 659 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: I can't remember, uh, so many acronyms, so many different words, 660 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 1: but yeah, I think I think, as we've discussed on 661 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: previous episodes, that's probably probably mostly what we've been seeing, 662 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 1: if not just someone who doesn't know what types of 663 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,240 Speaker 1: vehicles are in the air at the time, and they 664 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 1: see something and it wears them out, but they don't 665 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: do any background on whether or not, you know, there's 666 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 1: a specific aircraft in the vicinity or something. But there 667 00:42:55,080 --> 00:43:00,040 Speaker 1: are definitely some strange occurrences that still need to he 668 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 1: looked into. And that's essentially what Harry Reid was saying, Right, 669 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 1: we know that there's something going on. It doesn't matter 670 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: where it comes from, as long as we're spending money 671 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 1: to figure out what it is like, doesn't it seem 672 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: like we should at least spend some money on it, 673 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: maybe a little more money because it could be bad. Yeah, 674 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: and and I mean the magnitude of it. It's like 675 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,439 Speaker 1: something out of Independence Day or a blockbuster science fiction franchise. Uh. 676 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,800 Speaker 1: You know there their reports confirmed of an unidentified object 677 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: in nine seven appearing like out of thin air over 678 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,840 Speaker 1: a missile base in the US and then coinciding with 679 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 1: its appearance, ten of those missiles became inoperative. I mean, 680 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,840 Speaker 1: this is this is crazy stuff. It doesn't matter whether 681 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 1: these are extraterrestrials or let's get crazy and say it's 682 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: a universe to the left of hours on some kind 683 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:02,400 Speaker 1: of weird perpendicular quark chain. It doesn't matter. It doesn't 684 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 1: matter if they're from Poughkeepsie or Peru. There is technology 685 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 1: that exists. This is I think a nice companion piece 686 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:16,800 Speaker 1: to your earlier news about drones. Noll uh. There's technology 687 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:22,359 Speaker 1: that exists that the US may not control or may 688 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:28,080 Speaker 1: not understand. I mean, Bigelow definitely has something. The only 689 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,600 Speaker 1: real argument is what that is about what that thing is? 690 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And how much involvements can 691 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 1: walk our ranch has right exactly, Yes, m this is fascinating. 692 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,840 Speaker 1: Harry reid Man never would have thought he'd be the 693 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:53,319 Speaker 1: guy coming forward let's get him on the show if 694 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,439 Speaker 1: he'd be down. But I wouldn't want to just talk 695 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 1: about UFOs. There's so many other things I read about. Yeah, 696 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,319 Speaker 1: School of America's uh, why milk came in bags for 697 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: like just a couple a year or two, and then 698 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:14,319 Speaker 1: went back to Carton's Yeah, yeah, alright, my priorities are 699 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,480 Speaker 1: admittedly a little skewed, but other other missing kids stuff, 700 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,239 Speaker 1: it's all good. Um, really really cool. So what is 701 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 1: it called? Phenomenon or phenomenon? The phenomenon, the phenomenon cool. 702 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to watch that trailer? Yeah, And I 703 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,839 Speaker 1: have to ask I have to ask you guys, what 704 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: do what do you see? Matt? I feel like maybe 705 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,280 Speaker 1: answered this earlier, but what what do you see as 706 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 1: the most likely explanation? Like if it's US technology, then 707 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,360 Speaker 1: why does it seem like Reid himself is not aware 708 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,480 Speaker 1: of it? You know, like, what what could it be? 709 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 1: Because right now this reminds me of Angel Hearts spoiler 710 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,320 Speaker 1: Mickey Rourick's characters hired to hunt himself as a detective, 711 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:09,440 Speaker 1: soil was okay to answer the question. First of all, Uh, 712 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 1: Harry Reid was a Democrat and Senate majority leader at 713 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: for a time, right, And I'm just wondering why he 714 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 1: would be in the know about ultra sensitive topics like this. Yeah, 715 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,880 Speaker 1: compartmentalized things like why would they ever let anyone in 716 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: the Senate know about something like this if it were 717 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 1: the real program? Right? I know that sounds weird. No, 718 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 1: it's a good question if it were the real program. 719 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,719 Speaker 1: It feels as though, Gosh, I feel naive even saying this. 720 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,719 Speaker 1: It feels to me as though if Harry Reid was 721 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 1: aware of a a program that was monitoring UFOs within 722 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:57,520 Speaker 1: the United States, that it was probably the B program 723 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,319 Speaker 1: or the program that's like the Okay, yeah, will let 724 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,120 Speaker 1: we'll we'll let there be something because a few senators 725 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: and public officials know that there are all these reports 726 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,040 Speaker 1: and they get calls. Sometimes we'll let them have twelve 727 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,600 Speaker 1: million or whatever it's gonna be to look up in 728 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:17,040 Speaker 1: the sky and monitor for a little bit. Uh. Meanwhile, 729 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,960 Speaker 1: the two options are it's all US technology and it's 730 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:25,240 Speaker 1: all secret, or it's definitely aliens and the military doesn't 731 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: want the Senator anybody else to know about it. Okay, Okay, 732 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,680 Speaker 1: I I dig it, uh, And and I like it. 733 00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,719 Speaker 1: I like the idea. It makes sense to me of 734 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 1: a dummy program, because the best way to prevent people 735 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:43,480 Speaker 1: from making progress towards a discovery you want to hide 736 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,640 Speaker 1: is to provide the illusion of progress towards a discovery, right, 737 00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 1: and bonus points if it's unrelated. You know, Joe, I 738 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,080 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. What do you think? No, 739 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,640 Speaker 1: it's hard to I mean, look, I don't know that. 740 00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,319 Speaker 1: It's what you guys both make really good points, like 741 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,799 Speaker 1: it feels like, you know the level of clearance that 742 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 1: this stuff requires, people wouldn't just casually know about it, 743 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,000 Speaker 1: Like I don't know. I mean, Harry Reid was like 744 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,960 Speaker 1: a part of it, right, but you're saying that even 745 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:21,560 Speaker 1: he wouldn't have had the the deepest knowledge of everything going. 746 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,400 Speaker 1: I'm kind, I'm I'm being a little facetious. Um, I 747 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,160 Speaker 1: don't know. I guess I'm I'm allowing my more conspiratorial 748 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:32,320 Speaker 1: brain to come out. But um, it's at least the 749 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:40,080 Speaker 1: the secret the secret Senate facing or program, right, that's 750 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,480 Speaker 1: what we're talking about. So it was still secret, but 751 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,080 Speaker 1: the Senate was aware of it. And I guess to me, 752 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 1: it just feels like I don't know, Maybe I've just 753 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,279 Speaker 1: watched too many movies, man watching men, sci fi things, 754 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,720 Speaker 1: read too many things. It's just feels like you wouldn't 755 00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,359 Speaker 1: allow for that if it was real, or maybe you've 756 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,959 Speaker 1: read too many history books, because I think that could 757 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,000 Speaker 1: totally happen. Look at the CIA was the left hand 758 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,400 Speaker 1: of the US government making all these moves that the 759 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:13,279 Speaker 1: right hand ak Congress was not aware of. You know, like, 760 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:20,600 Speaker 1: I really appreciate the point about compartmentalized intelligence being uh So, 761 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,080 Speaker 1: it's the thing we don't really talk about in the US. 762 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,600 Speaker 1: The thing we should be talking about more in the 763 00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:31,080 Speaker 1: United States is the division and the different, at time 764 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:35,920 Speaker 1: contradictory aims of the what I would call the multiple 765 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,680 Speaker 1: actual governments. And I'm not don't confuse this with a 766 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: deep state argument. What I am saying is that a 767 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,320 Speaker 1: lot of the power, a lot of the influence, the funding, 768 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,520 Speaker 1: and the classification of what is or is not secret 769 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:57,240 Speaker 1: is squarely the domain of unelected government officials appointees who exists. 770 00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:02,480 Speaker 1: Regardless of which team happens to hold the presidency or 771 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:08,719 Speaker 1: the congressional majority. Those folks are able to unlike say 772 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,400 Speaker 1: a president, or unlike say most senators, they are able 773 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,960 Speaker 1: to work on a multidecade time horizon. They can make 774 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,440 Speaker 1: a change. They can do something that politician would be 775 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,280 Speaker 1: terrified to do because it would get them, perhaps rightly 776 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,200 Speaker 1: booted out of office. There are two separate things here, 777 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:32,120 Speaker 1: and maybe what we're calling UFOs, maybe that's the domain 778 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,600 Speaker 1: in the people we don't get to vote for. Mm hmm. 779 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,120 Speaker 1: Maybe they're all just early prototypes of that drone with 780 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,200 Speaker 1: a shotgun man, or the shotgun where you mount the drive, 781 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,560 Speaker 1: getting way too into that idea. But the drones, the 782 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:52,320 Speaker 1: nested drone shooting. Yeah, exactly two unrelated stories we didn't 783 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,600 Speaker 1: I didn't report, and I really wanted to. I'll just 784 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,960 Speaker 1: give you the headline. So we end on a slightly 785 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:03,279 Speaker 1: less weird depressing note. Um. First, Elon Musk is in 786 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:08,320 Speaker 1: deals with the US government to make some completely unclean, 787 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,680 Speaker 1: evil space weapons. That's what he's doing with the Tesla money. Uh. Second, 788 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:20,919 Speaker 1: France has decided to distribute medical cannabis for free. Cool 789 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,080 Speaker 1: about that? Heard about that? Just to like chill people 790 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:32,880 Speaker 1: out during all this craziness. Uh, you know, they're like people. 791 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,240 Speaker 1: Did you guys see the new South Park pandemic special? 792 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,880 Speaker 1: No Oh, I only mentioned it because the Pandemic Special 793 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:47,120 Speaker 1: quote unquote is actually Randy's like discount weed deal that 794 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,640 Speaker 1: he's uh you know that every every now it makes 795 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,880 Speaker 1: light of the fact that we dealers like business went 796 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,239 Speaker 1: through the roof during the pandemic and he he ken 797 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 1: people keep thinking him for oh really like in the 798 00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,879 Speaker 1: Pandemic Special and it's a it's a key plot point 799 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,840 Speaker 1: in the whole episode, so that he seems, you know, 800 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,759 Speaker 1: very forward thinking, much like the French. I'll check it out. Yeah, 801 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,560 Speaker 1: they're rolling it out for three thousand people in March 802 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:16,080 Speaker 1: of next year. Not too clear on the qualifications you 803 00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,080 Speaker 1: have to have. Uh, this may be good or bad 804 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,400 Speaker 1: news for some of our listeners. You do have to 805 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,200 Speaker 1: live in France. Yeah, but no, that's a that's they're 806 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,520 Speaker 1: not delivering it. I'm just thinking three thousand people. Think 807 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:34,360 Speaker 1: about the population of France and then three three thousand 808 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,280 Speaker 1: people get free weed, And how are they being chosen? 809 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,560 Speaker 1: You know? Is it terminal? Can are these people a 810 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 1: terminal or incurable conditions? There are certainly more than three 811 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,680 Speaker 1: thousand of those people alive in a country of that size. 812 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,080 Speaker 1: Is there like a do you have to submit a 813 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,879 Speaker 1: high idea and like the best ones get free weed. 814 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,040 Speaker 1: I have never heard the portmanteau high idea and I 815 00:52:55,160 --> 00:53:00,800 Speaker 1: love did you write that? That is wonderful. That's I 816 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,560 Speaker 1: can't really talk about it, but it is okay, that's 817 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,080 Speaker 1: that's wonderful. Also, the word portmanteau is itself a portmanteau. 818 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,560 Speaker 1: That's pretty I did not know that. That's very met 819 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:16,279 Speaker 1: up in. And with that, we are going to call 820 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,200 Speaker 1: it a day before the drones break in or before 821 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,920 Speaker 1: I guess we're now we can be honest about it. 822 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,080 Speaker 1: We're probably too old to be locked up in the 823 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:31,200 Speaker 1: trouble team industry, right, I don't know the troubled middle 824 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:36,800 Speaker 1: aged guy town. I think that's just prison. It sounds 825 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,440 Speaker 1: an awful lot like getting black bagged. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 826 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,200 Speaker 1: that's that's exactly what it was. Here's hoping that a 827 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,719 Speaker 1: Strange News does not find you getting black bagged. 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