Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you. Why why and look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes, goodness, ding dong
Speaker 1: culture is calling. I sort of have an immediate thing
Speaker 1: to ask you off the bat. Okay, So you know
Speaker 1: how there's gay culture, there's straight culture, and sometimes there's
Speaker 1: even some crossover. I think that I think it's two
Speaker 1: circles and that it's one tangent little point. Sometimes things
Speaker 1: make it in there, but it's a really pins pinhead
Speaker 1: of a width there. You know. Yes, it's sort of
Speaker 1: like there's housewives and there's businesswomen, and sometimes there's a
Speaker 1: crossover in the middle. You understand, just just two circles touching, kissing,
Speaker 1: right exactly, they're just kissing. But then there's beathening in
Speaker 1: the middle. And I haven't watched a new reality show
Speaker 1: and it's not what I'm asking about today. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I hear. It's fine, but keep going. That sounds exactly right.
Speaker 1: That sounds exactly right, king, And but that's that's that's
Speaker 1: the story before you get into this. That's the story
Speaker 1: of Bethany, right, someone that you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we love her, and then it just sort of like
Speaker 1: it took a turn and you're like Okay, now it's
Speaker 1: averaged out to the media, is fine. I would call
Speaker 1: Bethany Frankel effective, But to what end? Oh, and that's
Speaker 1: a real culture, real culture number thirty fourth effective, But
Speaker 1: to what end? You know? And you know, now she's
Speaker 1: kind of become the person that she might have made
Speaker 1: fun of years ago and big time when she was
Speaker 1: selling cookies and an aisle four or that what she
Speaker 1: sold cookies or whatever. I don't know, skinny girl pastries, pastries.
Speaker 1: You see, you understand, so you understand, you understand, so
Speaker 1: then you understand so that you understand. Um, So this
Speaker 1: is sort of what I wanted to ask you about.
Speaker 1: So one of the things I think is like very
Speaker 1: much straight culture but crosses over with gay culture is
Speaker 1: the artist meat Loaf, because I feel that meat Loaf
Speaker 1: is he's he's straight culture and that he's a he's
Speaker 1: a male rocks are Ye, but he's gay culture, and
Speaker 1: that he's drama, and that he his song is famously
Speaker 1: um it's I'll come back to Me Now, which was
Speaker 1: then covered by the y constantin the on and so
Speaker 1: we really wouldn't have that song without a meat Loaf
Speaker 1: to do it first. So I feel that there's some
Speaker 1: queer culture in here and straight culture. Now do you
Speaker 1: know the song Paradise by the dashboard Light, I don't see.
Speaker 1: I actually reject the notion that meat Loaf is or
Speaker 1: a Paradise Light or whatever is straight culture, because I
Speaker 1: was gonna be like, I was gonna do my apologetic
Speaker 1: thing of like, no, yeah, never apologize. I'm a child
Speaker 1: of immigrants. I didn't grow up with meat Loaf. But
Speaker 1: now I'm just like, no, meat loaf is not gay culture.
Speaker 1: And I actually but I don't need to. I don't
Speaker 1: mean to, like, yeah, undermine your whole thing. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Why it's it's okay, It's it's okay, even
Speaker 1: though you're sort of glaring at me and shaking your hand,
Speaker 1: it's okay. And the only reason I say I think
Speaker 1: I make a valid argument that he is sort of
Speaker 1: a draggy like star. There's mellow to the drama und
Speaker 1: percent and you you actually have to also remember his
Speaker 1: performance with Katherine McPhee on American Idols. He's in finale
Speaker 1: when they sang it stuff I'm back to me now,
Speaker 1: and he was acting the song very hard, and Katherine,
Speaker 1: we we thought that maybe she'd be killed during the
Speaker 1: performance because he was sort of acting and singing so hard.
Speaker 1: So I do think there's like a lot to him
Speaker 1: that's worth it. But I just want to say I
Speaker 1: know every word of the song Paradise by the Dashboard Light.
Speaker 1: And the other day I was out actually getting drunk
Speaker 1: with straight people. I was out getting drunk with very
Speaker 1: dangerous and I was out getting drunk with Greta, her
Speaker 1: husband Abe, Greta's sister Emily, and my friend, my dear
Speaker 1: friend Ian, who's is gay but hangs out with straights
Speaker 1: a bunch as well socially straight. And I wouldn't I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'd go that far, but like certainly
Speaker 1: certainly interacts with straight people. And the song Paradise by
Speaker 1: the Dashboard Light came on and I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, classic song, started singing it at everyone, expecting
Speaker 1: everyone to sort of joe going in and they didn't.
Speaker 1: And I'm realizing this might be a Jaws thing where
Speaker 1: it's like only my like Long Island ass knows it
Speaker 1: because it played at every single sweet We did not,
Speaker 1: we did not establish the fact that Jaws is a
Speaker 1: Long Island specific piece of culture. But you had said
Speaker 1: that it was. And we're gonna, you know what, We're
Speaker 1: gonna ask the guests, and I'm sure she'll agree with
Speaker 1: you because she, the guess is the guest is cultured,
Speaker 1: and I feel, you know, sort of conveys like an
Speaker 1: intelligence and a like sort of cultural literacy that maybe
Speaker 1: I don't have. But from my from my perspective, you
Speaker 1: said that sort of I know Jaws and didn't know
Speaker 1: sound of music because I'm Long Island trash and not worldly.
Speaker 1: I didn't you being a worldly girl. I did not
Speaker 1: say you were Long Island trash. Well, I don't say
Speaker 1: stuff like that. You're being You're like, you're whatever. I
Speaker 1: don't okay, all right, and your your argument. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying I didn't realize that not everyone didn't know it's
Speaker 1: fine paradise by the dashboard light. Honey. This this is
Speaker 1: actually no, this is what no say, what you have
Speaker 1: to say. This is something. Oh, here we go. I
Speaker 1: don't mean to I don't mean to make this about race,
Speaker 1: but this, this is something. This is something that like
Speaker 1: white people do with the Western culture where they it
Speaker 1: feels like it's universal into themselves and so they think
Speaker 1: that everybody knows Paradise Cove? What what was it? Okay?
Speaker 1: So everyone, let me just say something. Paradise Cove is
Speaker 1: literally it sounds like a hot dating singles reality, it's
Speaker 1: not this. It's Paradise by the dashboard light. Can see
Speaker 1: Paradise by the dash board light sort of goes like that,
Speaker 1: ain't no doubt about it. We were doubly blessed because
Speaker 1: we will barely seventeen and we will barely dressed. I mean,
Speaker 1: even as I'm singing it, I'm like, this is pathetic
Speaker 1: straight culture. We need to ask our guests. She's gonna
Speaker 1: be the tiebreaker. She's gonna be the tiebreaker. But can
Speaker 1: I say, just because you made it about race and
Speaker 1: you did and you didn't quote what mean to, but
Speaker 1: you did, everyone at the table problematic. There are five
Speaker 1: people at the table, run off the table white and
Speaker 1: they didn't know the song. They didn't know the song.
Speaker 1: What what are you talking about at your table at
Speaker 1: dinner time? I'm just saying, it's like your your attempt
Speaker 1: to sort of make this about race false flop because
Speaker 1: and they actually, when you grew up not a white
Speaker 1: person in America, you kind of don't go in with
Speaker 1: the assumption that, oh, people know the ship that I
Speaker 1: grew up on. That's t that's I gotta explain to
Speaker 1: Teresa Tang to some motherfucker's not just talking about you,
Speaker 1: talking about I'm just talking about people in general society.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you something And I'm sorry I made
Speaker 1: it about race. I actually don't apologize because everything is
Speaker 1: about race. Well, you already apologized, and that's and and
Speaker 1: you can't take it back. You can't. Did you listen
Speaker 1: to Girl and Red I told you to listen to
Speaker 1: and listen to the entire thing today. Do you think
Speaker 1: what did you think? I thought it was. I think
Speaker 1: I think it's really good. You were you were sort
Speaker 1: of being like, oh my god, this is brand new.
Speaker 1: I really loved it. I really loved it. I think
Speaker 1: it's so I'm like, this is like a new a
Speaker 1: new person coming into the scene with a really good
Speaker 1: them in, really great songwriting, and she's like giving you
Speaker 1: like some innovations on like indie pop and pop punk,
Speaker 1: and like it's really fun. That's all I said. I
Speaker 1: did not hyper out to be this new girl. All
Speaker 1: I said was I really liked it. I was surprised
Speaker 1: that you singled it out so hard because because it's
Speaker 1: an excellent pop album. Your this is like what you
Speaker 1: did with me with her, this is what I did
Speaker 1: with I did you did with Olivia Rodrigo. And I'm
Speaker 1: I know, I'm completely on board. This is what you're
Speaker 1: gonna You're gonna stand Girl in Red, And I already stand.
Speaker 1: I already stand. In fact, I was listening to it
Speaker 1: today and I was like, absolutely, I said the word
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely to it and and so I'm all I'm
Speaker 1: saying is I was surprised that you were so immediately
Speaker 1: on board with this because I feel like, upon first listen,
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, yeah, I've heard stuff like
Speaker 1: this before. But it's good. But she's she's really threading
Speaker 1: a lot of things together. She didn't interview and Vulture
Speaker 1: um where like her name and like her on her
Speaker 1: main musical inspiration is guess who Avril Levine, Taylor Close,
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. She's huge, Taylor Swift. She's one of the
Speaker 1: biggest pop stars. She goes into this whole thing about
Speaker 1: how like Red was like an album, like she was
Speaker 1: like a kid the Girl in Red when when Reddy
Speaker 1: came out, and like Red like was fully formative culture
Speaker 1: that made her say culture was for her, and then
Speaker 1: like and then Taylor, even Miss Taylor herself even went
Speaker 1: on stories and said, you gotta listen to this album
Speaker 1: Girl and Red. That's that's huge. I bet that. I
Speaker 1: bet that made girl the girl in Red very happy.
Speaker 1: Her name is Marie. She's Norwegian, and that's all you
Speaker 1: need to know. She's Norwegian, and so that of course
Speaker 1: the hooks are going to be solid. So she's made
Speaker 1: of pop music. It's part of her DNA. She's drinking
Speaker 1: the water. Um. You know, you know who's made of
Speaker 1: comedy gold. It's part of our guests. Okay, what's what's
Speaker 1: the deal with our guest? Our guest hosts co host
Speaker 1: podcast The War Report. To the War Report. She's got
Speaker 1: two incredible stand up albums out I love stating cookies
Speaker 1: and so so you just out here, So you just
Speaker 1: out here stating cookies. I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: this person gets it on a cultural level because and
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to step on
Speaker 1: her answer potentially for when we ask for the question.
Speaker 1: But she is Sesame Street queen, oh major. And you
Speaker 1: know someone is good, you know someone is like really
Speaker 1: really solid when they appreciate sesame street culture. And here's
Speaker 1: the thing. No one talks about how funny sesame street is. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's comedy genius, it's comedy gold. Name another group of legends.
Speaker 1: They are a group of legends. It's actually a real culture.
Speaker 1: Number seventeen. There are a group of legends that got
Speaker 1: together on the street, on the block, on the on
Speaker 1: the on the and they and they said, how about
Speaker 1: you go in the trash can you go there? You
Speaker 1: go over there, you go into the house, you go
Speaker 1: onto the stoop. They said, girl, you go in the wind,
Speaker 1: this will be good. You go in the window. Girl,
Speaker 1: you go in the can. Girls, girl singles, You're gonna
Speaker 1: be so nasty and mean. Now we all know what's
Speaker 1: a joke. Girl. Your thing is you're tall, so you
Speaker 1: should be the big bird. That's so good for you. Girl.
Speaker 1: I love your skin tone. Put on this cape and
Speaker 1: your thing is gonna be like you love numbers. Hey, girl,
Speaker 1: put those cookies that actually keep eating, keep eating the cookies.
Speaker 1: That's perfect. You'll be the cookie monster. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Oh this is gonna be so effing good. We can't
Speaker 1: say because the kids are watching its PBS. But we're gonna.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna move to HBO someday. Yeah, oh
Speaker 1: my god. I can't wait for the Sesame Streets to
Speaker 1: get filthy. You know what I mean? Sesame Street after dark?
Speaker 1: How how rough does it get? I bet a bit rough. Um.
Speaker 1: You've seen her on the iconic appearance on the Goddamn
Speaker 1: Tonight Show, You've seen her on Comedy es Central, HBO,
Speaker 1: You're gonna be seen her everywhere. You're gonna be listening
Speaker 1: to her each week on Thursdays when new episodes of
Speaker 1: The War Report come out, because you're about to fall
Speaker 1: in love. And that's just that. I don't make the
Speaker 1: rules at all. Nuther just bone yang because no, I
Speaker 1: wish I could, but I don't. Here's who makes the rules? Sure?
Speaker 1: Come on? Oh wow that was that was lovely? Well listen, Hi,
Speaker 1: how are you feeling? How are you feeling? I'm feeling
Speaker 1: all right? Yeah, you feel good? Yes? Can you? Can
Speaker 1: you break this tie for us? Have you heard this
Speaker 1: song Paradise by the Dashboard? Here's the thing. I have
Speaker 1: heard it, not damn it, but I don't. It is
Speaker 1: partially a it's a little it's a touch of a
Speaker 1: race thing in the way that like sweet Caroline is
Speaker 1: got it? You know, you know Sweet Caroline. Of course
Speaker 1: I know Sweet Caroline. Yeah, but I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: hear it. I didn't hear being sung by by people
Speaker 1: who looked like me. Do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I honestly didn't hear that until my late twenties. I
Speaker 1: didn't hear Hotel California until I was about but I
Speaker 1: heard people complaining about it for many years, and then
Speaker 1: when I heard it, I was like, oh, this isn't bad.
Speaker 1: So this is the issue with the meat the meat
Speaker 1: Loaf song is that it's a it's a generational issue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess my shock was that I was at a
Speaker 1: table drinking a bootful of light beer with streat people
Speaker 1: and they did not know the song. Maybe I need
Speaker 1: to be more clear about that, that these straight people
Speaker 1: didn't know this meat loaf song while I was drinking
Speaker 1: something that was you know, light and a beer. I
Speaker 1: mean that was it's definitely because they were too young
Speaker 1: to have taken that in either way, And it was
Speaker 1: kind of picked up in campier circles, which is that
Speaker 1: that Greta didn't heal it. But I just think I
Speaker 1: feel like she still should have um, but yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was a man that the late seventies was a
Speaker 1: campy time when we missed that. Yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: campy time so that a meatlook could appear. And you're like, oh, absolutely,
Speaker 1: let's let drama club dude sing these songs with all
Speaker 1: of his parts. And Taylor made for something that will
Speaker 1: happen in the future where people will sing these songs
Speaker 1: in front of other drunk people. This is this is
Speaker 1: our guy. And see, this is what I was talking about.
Speaker 1: This is the breakdown. I'm hearfect analysis. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: That's what it is. But I can understand why it
Speaker 1: would seem like maybe only people in Long Island had
Speaker 1: heard it because I but I think I know it
Speaker 1: because of drama club people, because of chorus people in
Speaker 1: high school, and then because of karaoke. But then again,
Speaker 1: I also was around a lot of white folks. That's
Speaker 1: certainly I couldn't have turned to my parents and said, hey,
Speaker 1: have you heard this? That was not that that The
Speaker 1: media question would have been was it on Motown? No?
Speaker 1: Then Sweden? And the answer is decidedly question Unfortunately unfortunately
Speaker 1: not remind us for you where you grew up again.
Speaker 1: I grew up in Atlanta in Stone Mountain, right, mountain
Speaker 1: rural not rural rural, No, it's not. No. It's about
Speaker 1: ten miles uh northeast of the city of Atlanta. But
Speaker 1: the thing with Stone Mountain is it's a it's a
Speaker 1: a mountain. It's like a hill, a big granite hill.
Speaker 1: Um that's got Confederate Army heroes etched into the side.
Speaker 1: It's a non rural Confederate hill. Yes. I mean like
Speaker 1: people make trips there. And at the time that my
Speaker 1: family moved there, the clan was still doing rallies on
Speaker 1: the top of the mountain. But then they switched it
Speaker 1: for a family friendly laser show and is and that's
Speaker 1: actually the ideal replacement. That's the ideal replacement. Theory is
Speaker 1: when it comes to white supremacies. Yeah, is that you
Speaker 1: want to you want to go laser show, friend, make
Speaker 1: it pretty towards you can close it out with Elvis
Speaker 1: singing Dixie Um. Yes. And they would take a laser
Speaker 1: and they had the three Confederate Army heroes on horses,
Speaker 1: and so they would take a laser and outline the car.
Speaker 1: The monuments are still there. Yeah, oh yeah, they're carved
Speaker 1: into the side of the mountain and they're still the mountains,
Speaker 1: still there, and the lasers would like outline the three
Speaker 1: of them on horses and then add legs to the
Speaker 1: horses and then have the like march off to lose,
Speaker 1: I guess, and and then they you know, shoot fireworks
Speaker 1: and uh that that Stone mount which, of course naturally
Speaker 1: UM wants some black people moved in experience wild white flight,
Speaker 1: and now the population of it is mostly black Asian,
Speaker 1: and I think about to go through its own case
Speaker 1: of gentrification, UM because it's the only place I think
Speaker 1: they are, I know, and so I think, yes, as
Speaker 1: housing becomes what it is, I think the gays are
Speaker 1: moving out there, and I'm like, I can't believe. I
Speaker 1: can't believe I'm watching I want and then gentrification in
Speaker 1: this area and it's wild to think of. But I'm
Speaker 1: also keeping that in mind in case maybe I need
Speaker 1: to grab a house down there or something. Well, they
Speaker 1: probably heard about the light shows, and you know, gays
Speaker 1: can do interesting things with light shows. Lasers just be
Speaker 1: getting the only laser I want. Stone Mountain is the
Speaker 1: one that's gonna destroy the statue. It's gonna cut through
Speaker 1: the statues. But I mean, look, they've they've switched up
Speaker 1: the laser show a little bit. They've added outcast and
Speaker 1: the indigo you can't outcast and the indigo girls. They're like,
Speaker 1: let's how do we widen the text exactly? Well, let's
Speaker 1: say who's from here? That's coming from the lesbians too? Wow'
Speaker 1: not even hiding it. What I love is the I
Speaker 1: think the graphic for that is, um, a lesbian climbing
Speaker 1: a mountain or hiking while they play Closer to Find.
Speaker 1: I can't it's so much it's song is it really is?
Speaker 1: They're all good songs, but this is what you know.
Speaker 1: What always bothers me is like when when someone's songs
Speaker 1: being used and you have to listen and you're like,
Speaker 1: do they know this is happening like like like whenever,
Speaker 1: like there's like the r N c um like whatever,
Speaker 1: and then just like, Hi, yeah, you can't play my
Speaker 1: song at that. Like I feel like that's a slippery situation.
Speaker 1: Very that's not what you meant for it. That's not
Speaker 1: the life you wanted it to have. No. No, I
Speaker 1: don't know why I misplaced Stone Mountain. Well. I think
Speaker 1: it's because they named a thirty Rock episode Stone Mountain,
Speaker 1: where Kenneth goes back and it's supposed to be rural,
Speaker 1: and I think they named it that because Donald Glover
Speaker 1: was on the staff at the time and wrote Mountain.
Speaker 1: He is from Stone Mountain. He went to like, Uh,
Speaker 1: I didn't know his Stone Mountain experience. Um, it was
Speaker 1: like ten years after mine, but it was almost exactly
Speaker 1: alike in that, you know, you go to a school
Speaker 1: there a lot of white kids there, you know, and
Speaker 1: then uh, and then I think he went to like
Speaker 1: a performing arts high school, and my sister went to
Speaker 1: that performing arts high school like years before. And so
Speaker 1: when I heard him tell a story, I was like,
Speaker 1: this month, I'm about that. That's my life he's talking about.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but you know, I mean it happens when
Speaker 1: you're one of one of four. And he probably still
Speaker 1: had more white people in his orbit than I did.
Speaker 1: In mind, but I leave the chat by that feels
Speaker 1: very alienated. But La, you and I have had very
Speaker 1: um what I would consider and it's completely my fault.
Speaker 1: I remember we've had I've had a conversation with you
Speaker 1: about the the the layout of Atlanta, and I was like,
Speaker 1: my sister lives there and you're like, oh, yeah, how
Speaker 1: where And I was like, Dunwoodie, and I think I
Speaker 1: saw the light leave your eyes that exactly. It still counts.
Speaker 1: The thing is still counts. Yeah, when when you say
Speaker 1: metro Atlanta you really mean the top third of the
Speaker 1: state of Georgia at this point, like it's so it's big,
Speaker 1: it's so spread out. It's a lot like l A.
Speaker 1: It's not as spread out as l A. But the
Speaker 1: vibe is, the vibes are similar. There are no borders. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in l A, I I still feel like there's still
Speaker 1: a vibe where it feels like someone was murdered in
Speaker 1: every other house. But like in Atlanta, you get an
Speaker 1: idea as to why where's in l A. You're not
Speaker 1: You're not out in l A now, are you? No,
Speaker 1: I'm in I'm in Brooklyn. I thought, yeah, it's God.
Speaker 1: I just feel like you were always like whenever we
Speaker 1: were having because by the way, we should just say
Speaker 1: get ready for the end of this episode when Shelia
Speaker 1: does that. I don't think so, honey, because you were
Speaker 1: one of the best. I don't think one of the best.
Speaker 1: And I feel like whenever I had to book a
Speaker 1: show I was. I always thought of you because I
Speaker 1: fucking love you. You're so funny and I just feel
Speaker 1: like you're the best, and you did we was was
Speaker 1: Chalian on team matt Our team Bowen in the culture War.
Speaker 1: I think she was on my team, right, I think so?
Speaker 1: I think yeah that was blue Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. Yeah, that was it. We've been talking a
Speaker 1: lot about reviving not as a as a as a
Speaker 1: perhaps because it's time that Bowen and I finally face
Speaker 1: off again once and for all. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: I I think the streets need that. The streets need that. Wait,
Speaker 1: speaking of the streets, speaking of the streets, the sesame
Speaker 1: street of it all? Who is the biggest legend? Who?
Speaker 1: You're a cookie? No, we know that she's a cookie.
Speaker 1: I do like cookie Monster. I It's tough because you know,
Speaker 1: they're all my babies. They all taught me how to read.
Speaker 1: I like, um, I like snuff Snuffy that he can
Speaker 1: just he just kind of somehow skirt skirts in and out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and people are never really questioning appropriately what he is,
Speaker 1: what what's happening? You know? He brings a little sister
Speaker 1: sometimes and um, now I remember when he was just
Speaker 1: big birds friend and no one else saw him. There
Speaker 1: was the time that he was only big Birds and
Speaker 1: they thought Big Bird was making him up. And so
Speaker 1: so Snuffy would show up, they'd hang out, someone would
Speaker 1: walk by, Big Bird would go, oh wait, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go grab you know, Gordon, and then try to get
Speaker 1: Gordon to come back. And when he did, Snuffy had
Speaker 1: to go somewhere, and so everyone's like, okay, big Bird,
Speaker 1: and so that was very frustrated. Gosh. So there was
Speaker 1: a full arc for minute for a long time where
Speaker 1: a big Bird, You're you're going crazy, what do you see?
Speaker 1: No one else can see? Yeah, Like I think their
Speaker 1: first like ten years that they were on it was
Speaker 1: it was like he was an imaginary friend. And then
Speaker 1: they they made it so that, um you did. Everyone
Speaker 1: did eventually meet Snuffle up A guess right, he became corporal, Yes,
Speaker 1: But I, um, I there was. There's a book that's
Speaker 1: like an oral history of Sesame Street, and I went
Speaker 1: to a reading that the author did take questions and
Speaker 1: I asked, what how did that switch happen where everyone
Speaker 1: met him? And why why? And it must be asked?
Speaker 1: And the author explained to me that oh, around the
Speaker 1: time that they decided to make that switch was when
Speaker 1: um children were being abducted, and so they wanted kids
Speaker 1: to feel like adults would believe them. So they made
Speaker 1: it so that people could now believe Big Bird because
Speaker 1: he you they met Snuffle up against and I was, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, that's deep. That is not what
Speaker 1: I was really really really kind of crazy that that
Speaker 1: was that that they had to think that. But I'm
Speaker 1: glad they did, because I definitely was a child going
Speaker 1: nuts every time they never got around and meeting Snuffy,
Speaker 1: just screaming at the TV, like right there, and he's
Speaker 1: he's simply, he's simply, She's a big hairy elephant. Come on,
Speaker 1: And my dad going like, Chilia, it's okay, yeah, if
Speaker 1: this isn't real, what do you mean it's not real?
Speaker 1: And he's like, okay, you have a very good point.
Speaker 1: This is real to you. Yeah, are we ready to
Speaker 1: call snuff Leophagus a wooly mammoth? Always sort of ready
Speaker 1: to say that he's not tusked, he's a hairy elephant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just a hairy elephant. It's okay. Yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: have to be categorized differently. Because you're a hairy elephant. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Here's another thing. This is a very deep cut. If
Speaker 1: there are any other Sesame street people out there, they
Speaker 1: will know what. Okay. So there's a lot of talk
Speaker 1: of Burton Ernie as a couple, right, I don't think
Speaker 1: they are a couple. I'm actually I'm willing to believe
Speaker 1: that they aren't. Everyone was very upset when when the
Speaker 1: when they created was when I started. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they're just friends and roommates. Like that's the vibe I
Speaker 1: I get from them. Um, but there's uh there there
Speaker 1: are a couple of construction guys named Biff and Sully
Speaker 1: and good and I think there's a couple because one
Speaker 1: of them speaks for both of them. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: look at that trust. Look at that. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's not conflict. It's not conflict based. No, No, it's
Speaker 1: just you know, I forget which one talks like Biff
Speaker 1: trust Sully to you know what I mean. And when
Speaker 1: they don't agree, it just takes a look and then
Speaker 1: the other one's like all right, I hear you, and
Speaker 1: then they I really like, that's the couple. I think
Speaker 1: that is that's really the couple we should be paying
Speaker 1: attention to fascinating to think about. You think that it's
Speaker 1: not that there's no gay represents station on Sesame Street. Now,
Speaker 1: we're not popularly looking in the right place, right, And
Speaker 1: it's actually queerer to for the for the for the
Speaker 1: for the, for the queer representation to be sort of
Speaker 1: tucked away, to be in its own pocket, right right, Um,
Speaker 1: I think it's it's too obvious, it's what people want
Speaker 1: because then they feel comfortable just loading it all on
Speaker 1: Berton Ernie. It's got to be them, right, You're right,
Speaker 1: because they're they're well dressed, they sort of you know
Speaker 1: that they have the sort of very straightforward ones tall,
Speaker 1: one small, that whole day. And also you're you're saying,
Speaker 1: these two the Biff and Sully, these are construction workers. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at them. They're they're in a mask job
Speaker 1: and so therefore you know, no one's looking at them
Speaker 1: like gay. Yes, they're looking at the wasps of the
Speaker 1: class issue. It's a class it is, it is. But
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like if you really see how
Speaker 1: they interact with each other and with others, you'll see
Speaker 1: you'll see the love, You'll see where the how it's
Speaker 1: how it's held together. This is the nuance that everybody needs.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not even kidding. I'm not even kidding
Speaker 1: because I'm looking at Biff and Sully and I immediately
Speaker 1: a flashbacks. I've seen them together. It's a it is
Speaker 1: a beautiful relationship. What, however you want to characterize it.
Speaker 1: Biff is the chatty bottom, Sully is the cheer, is
Speaker 1: the chill top. It actually is functional. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: this is this is the analogy that Matt and I
Speaker 1: have been loving lately that a lot of people have
Speaker 1: been using in terms of, you know, couplehood, couple of
Speaker 1: dumb flower gardener. One's the flower, one's the gardener. Oh
Speaker 1: that's nice. You're not getting that with Burton Ernie. Maybe
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, Ernie's there, Ernie's the gardener and Burt's
Speaker 1: the flower. But I don't think I don't think that applies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what I what I would say is that I don't
Speaker 1: think that Burton and Ernie are a gay couple, but
Speaker 1: I think they've jacked off together. That's what That's what
Speaker 1: I'm willing to say is that I think it's gotten
Speaker 1: to a especially during quarantine. I'm sure something went down
Speaker 1: with Burton Ernie during quarantine, so willing to say maybe
Speaker 1: they're not in a committed relationship, but I think things
Speaker 1: that things have gotten to the point where we've explored it,
Speaker 1: especially after they hear it's um talked about so much.
Speaker 1: It's that thing of when it gets implanted in your
Speaker 1: own head. It's like when people are like, well they
Speaker 1: won't they about celebrities, and then they're like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: But then it's like, you're gonna think about it. You
Speaker 1: have to. I mean eventually, uh, you know David and
Speaker 1: Maddie got together on Moonlighting, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I think this is such an I rall maybe, but
Speaker 1: I think there's some movie pitch here where it's I've
Speaker 1: always wanted to do something with with puppets, but like
Speaker 1: to like like some fastimily of Burton Ernie in the
Speaker 1: movie world are roommates. It's completely blatonic. Their whole lives decades,
Speaker 1: they've been platonic. And then it's mixed in with the
Speaker 1: real world. And then uh, they hear in the news
Speaker 1: media that the creator says that they were meant to
Speaker 1: be gay, but then the workshop says that they aren't.
Speaker 1: So they're caught in between these two truths about themselves.
Speaker 1: And then what do they do? And do they fall?
Speaker 1: Do they fall in love? Do they not? How did
Speaker 1: they truly feel? You know? Yeah? But when I think
Speaker 1: that's good, I think it's really good. Should we all
Speaker 1: do it? Should be I'm happy to drive, I'm happy
Speaker 1: to have us all make it equally. I'm into it.
Speaker 1: I really like that. Okay, that's good, the idea of
Speaker 1: I'm having to think for themselves because they didn't have
Speaker 1: to before because they were told by it, They're by
Speaker 1: the person who made them and by the workshop what
Speaker 1: to think because they didn't actually have brains, right, But
Speaker 1: now can I just say, like, I don't I think
Speaker 1: that because there was an understanding of its Hob that
Speaker 1: you love Cookie, I don't want to take the opportunity
Speaker 1: from you to talk about Cookie because I actually I
Speaker 1: am on record on this podcast as Cookie being my
Speaker 1: favorite character because I believe that Cookie is unapologetic about
Speaker 1: what he wants. Absolutely, Cookie, you know exactly what he wants,
Speaker 1: and he wants Cookie, And I think that that is important.
Speaker 1: And I think it's about taking space. I think it's
Speaker 1: about urgency, and I think it's about it's about showing
Speaker 1: up every day and knowing your purpose and I I
Speaker 1: and I also think there's a little bit there about
Speaker 1: you know, impulse control, because sometimes it gets a little
Speaker 1: crazy when Cookie, when Cookie gets Cookie, when he doesn't
Speaker 1: isn't allowed to have Cookie, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it's crazy like Cookie, it's good at acknowledging it.
Speaker 1: It's usually pretty good that just being like you gotta
Speaker 1: you know how I am Cookie. Yeah, it's about emotional
Speaker 1: m management, you know what I mean. And I actually
Speaker 1: really admired that time when Cookie he was trying out veggies.
Speaker 1: I remember that, Yes, he was trying out a lot.
Speaker 1: He was trying out veggies and he was trying out
Speaker 1: um rap and because he was rapping about vegetables, and
Speaker 1: that was that was a lot to take in. Um,
Speaker 1: that was a lot to take in. He was going
Speaker 1: in a like a Rundy m C movie, which is
Speaker 1: true understandable. I mean that's yeah, but um but yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, experimentation, right, That's what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: gotta do it. You have to keeping an open mind
Speaker 1: for it, absolutely, but Cookie is also someone who has
Speaker 1: really stood the test of time, really appeals to all
Speaker 1: sectors in every way. Doesn't love Cookie. I kind of
Speaker 1: I sometimes that it jars me a little bit, But
Speaker 1: I'm kind of into the confidence of Grover, the quiet
Speaker 1: Grover confidence, like, yeah, he's very much whatever he's throwing
Speaker 1: himhimself into. He's just like, I mean, I'm the cutest
Speaker 1: monster here. Let's do this. He really is. He's the best.
Speaker 1: He's the best looking monster to me. You know what's interesting,
Speaker 1: I've taken it upon myself to google people were pulled
Speaker 1: about who the favorite Sesame Street characters were, and I
Speaker 1: have to tell you it's kind of a runaway. It's
Speaker 1: let's just say this is like a small sampling, but
Speaker 1: of a hundred people pulled, Cookie Monster was by far
Speaker 1: number one. Followed right on his heels is Elmo, and
Speaker 1: then Elmo was trailed by Big Bird, who's trailed by
Speaker 1: Oscar the Grouch, who's trailed by Grover. And then it's
Speaker 1: kind of like a collection of everyone else, but Cookie
Speaker 1: really runs away with it, and followed by Elmo. That
Speaker 1: definitely makes me feel good because Elmo. Elmo is a
Speaker 1: struggle for me. Elmo is a real struggle to talk
Speaker 1: about that. When he appeared, it was a sea change
Speaker 1: for Sesame Street. I feel right, Um, he showed up
Speaker 1: around the time that like, um, helicopter parents showed up,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? And and a lot
Speaker 1: of activities after school showing up and just a lot
Speaker 1: of Elmos showing up, being like three or four and
Speaker 1: speaking about himself in the third person bothered me. He
Speaker 1: required a lot required, I mean, and he just he
Speaker 1: came in. He just it was too much. He felt
Speaker 1: a little selfish, and I'm like, all right, that's how
Speaker 1: kids are. But then I remembered he's not gonna grow
Speaker 1: out of it. None of them do. And but I
Speaker 1: don't know what the lesson is to learn from that,
Speaker 1: and it just I don't know. It's sometimes she and
Speaker 1: he took over. He got Elmo's World in no time,
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's just really, you know,
Speaker 1: industry jealousy on my part of just I want to
Speaker 1: be able to come in and take over a quarter
Speaker 1: of your show after, you know. It stuck out to
Speaker 1: me as a child to growing up when Almo's World
Speaker 1: first came around, I was like, who does this person?
Speaker 1: Who does this monster think he is exactly child? And
Speaker 1: I'm not to get show busy even further, but Elmo
Speaker 1: constantly playing to camera and it's actually annoying, constantly checking
Speaker 1: out with camera, like what should I do? It's like,
Speaker 1: just do it. Don't look at don't look at that.
Speaker 1: Don't you're spiking. You're spiking. You're looking at the camera.
Speaker 1: Stop part of this. I'm a kid. I can't make
Speaker 1: decisions for you. You have to make distance for yourself.
Speaker 1: I'm here to watch it unfolds. I'm not here to engage.
Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna do what you want. You're gonna
Speaker 1: do what you want, Elmo, and then if it's not
Speaker 1: what you should have done, I guess it's a lesson,
Speaker 1: all right. And also, don't forget I mean, let's not
Speaker 1: forget one of the most lethal toys ever created. I
Speaker 1: mean that did actually hurt kids. It was shaking and
Speaker 1: and the kids were shaking with it, and also the
Speaker 1: parents were fighting each other, so you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: the violence came from on high all the way down.
Speaker 1: Have you seen this first Have any of you seen
Speaker 1: this firsthand? Like a child being so deeply pathologically obsessed
Speaker 1: with Tickle Me Elmo, that if you took it away
Speaker 1: from them, the parents would fight. The parents would actually
Speaker 1: have a meltdown in front of in front of me.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is
Speaker 1: this is this is different, and actually Elmo is bringing
Speaker 1: a cursed energy into the space. Yeah. Yeah, it's too much.
Speaker 1: It's too much, too soon with Elmo. It's too much,
Speaker 1: too soon. And I don't I mean, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: he's gonna spiral, but you know, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of young There are a lot of young muppets just
Speaker 1: around the corner, you know what I mean. Coming up,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be show girls. Yeah, I mean as soon
Speaker 1: as that No Me muppet comes rowing through, it's a wrap.
Speaker 1: You're going down the stairs, baby, see you in physical therapy, Elmo.
Speaker 1: This EP title of that is nom Me Malone Muppet,
Speaker 1: Malone Muppet, that know me Malone Muppet. Honestly, when when
Speaker 1: when that was out? When when the Tackle Me Elmo
Speaker 1: was out? I remember it was on like it was
Speaker 1: on like um like like local news. It was like
Speaker 1: you won't believe the stampede, like eighteen injured and Tickle
Speaker 1: Me Elmo like early release it was like and then
Speaker 1: there was that culture when we were little of like
Speaker 1: remember every Christmas there would be that one toy, that
Speaker 1: one toy like it was if it wasn't tickled Me Elmo,
Speaker 1: it was the Ferbi or it was like. And then
Speaker 1: I remember when when there was like the video game
Speaker 1: console wars, like when PS two came out. Now it's
Speaker 1: like still happening. I guess I'm not as keyed into it,
Speaker 1: but I remember like feeling like a responsibility as a
Speaker 1: child almost to not ask for that toy because yes,
Speaker 1: you don't want them out there in the street fighting. No, No,
Speaker 1: I mean you you get that they love you, but
Speaker 1: you know it doesn't have to come the fisticuffs. I
Speaker 1: trust my mother with a lot of things. I don't
Speaker 1: trust them to be throwing hands for toys. No, not
Speaker 1: at all. When I was when I was a kid, Okay,
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, the big thing, um We're
Speaker 1: adoption dolls h by Xavier roberts Um in Atlanta, and
Speaker 1: they became he sold them and they became Cabbage Patch dolls.
Speaker 1: So this was just before the Yeah, there's a whole
Speaker 1: there's a hospital Babyland General in North Georgia where you
Speaker 1: can go and watch cabbage patch dolls being born from
Speaker 1: the cabbage patch. You can watch them being plucked from
Speaker 1: a cabbage patch. The cabbage pat kids, real cabbage. They were, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they came from a field and they're I mean like
Speaker 1: there are people who were hired. They had on scrubs.
Speaker 1: You could go and they'd hold up the doll and
Speaker 1: then then you adopted one of those. Until I'm assuming
Speaker 1: you told the pa endemic. This place was open and
Speaker 1: open for business. And so the whole thing was that
Speaker 1: you could get um Xavier Roberts, I guess he signed
Speaker 1: the butt of every doll or whatever that was. And
Speaker 1: and so that before they became cabbage patch dolls and
Speaker 1: were made widely, they were like locally in Atlanta. And
Speaker 1: when I say, these women were knocked down, drag out
Speaker 1: every night, a body count every night on the news
Speaker 1: for these adoption dolls. And my mother at the time
Speaker 1: was just like, I didn't even want an adoption doll.
Speaker 1: But she was like, well, I mean, my baby gets
Speaker 1: adoption dolls. So she knew a woman who could make them. No,
Speaker 1: she had she had homemade adoption dolls made for me
Speaker 1: and my sister, which she named for us because you
Speaker 1: have to fill out paperwork because they've been adopted, and
Speaker 1: she name with our names and then had little baby
Speaker 1: dolls made for those dolls, like it was a whole
Speaker 1: she was giving us a whole family. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I truly just wanted books, like I love you, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope you didn't fight someone for this, and she's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I know a woman, you know, fight someone. I killed someone.
Speaker 1: I took someone's life for this. This is a blood
Speaker 1: had so so it made no difference to you whether
Speaker 1: or not it was an authentic Xavier. It didn't. And
Speaker 1: and actually that has served me well, um, because I'm
Speaker 1: not big into name brands, and I think I admire that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so luckily um, And I think that it starts with
Speaker 1: that adoption dog it does. I think it's it starts
Speaker 1: with this toy culture where it's like you gotta get it,
Speaker 1: you gotta get the hot new thing. And I think
Speaker 1: that's like I've been like fully brainwormed by that long
Speaker 1: and like it makes no sense. Yeah yeah, And also
Speaker 1: for again something that's not that good, like tickle me Elmo,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know what it's gonna do. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like the Ferbie where it was like, you know this Ferbie,
Speaker 1: could you kind of get it? With the tamagotchi to
Speaker 1: the furbye, these things that were popular in the nineties
Speaker 1: that like you were like, oh, well that's going to
Speaker 1: develop a little bit of a personality. Is gonna be
Speaker 1: a sense of responsibility. It's like you get that you
Speaker 1: can engage with it. The tickle me Elmo, you tickle it,
Speaker 1: it shakes, that's it. Yeah, Yeah, that's it. That's all it.
Speaker 1: But you know he's he's a simple creature after all.
Speaker 1: Like that basically, you know, he's just throwing anything. What
Speaker 1: if I just laughed a little. Yeah, I imagine Elmo
Speaker 1: with a cigar, like in a corporate room, coming up
Speaker 1: with ideas on how to you know, get these kids money.
Speaker 1: And well he's like he's meeting with HBO. Now he's like,
Speaker 1: I want to funk on camera. He's like almost like
Speaker 1: I want to fuck on camera, and I want to
Speaker 1: show to I want to show to be raw and real. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And they're like, I don't know. We were thinking was
Speaker 1: maybe a show where like you go to the water park,
Speaker 1: like you know, you feel sad because you drop an
Speaker 1: ice cream cone. He's like, no, I want to fuck
Speaker 1: and I wanted to be guys girls. He's like, I
Speaker 1: want to show everyone who the Elmo really is and like, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll circle back. I want to do key bumps
Speaker 1: the real thing. He's like almost like have you heard
Speaker 1: of the Case Special? The Case Special? Man? But what
Speaker 1: what is Elmo? Like? Hi, like, what is what? What
Speaker 1: is a tweaking Elmo? Do we want that? I want
Speaker 1: that doll? Give me that doll. This is another show
Speaker 1: we're in development on this podcast. There, we're truly pumping
Speaker 1: out there reness. There is something generative about like Jim Henson,
Speaker 1: anything Jim Henson. You're like, there are so many it
Speaker 1: is so like like it inspires so many different things.
Speaker 1: Is is that your relationship with Jim Henson? Are you
Speaker 1: specifically no, I am, I'm I like Jim Henson stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm I definitely love the Muppet Show and things related
Speaker 1: to that, you know, I mean because that was just
Speaker 1: like weird vaudeville for children. Yeah, so amazing sketch. Yes,
Speaker 1: So that's just a lot of like how I figure out.
Speaker 1: That's how I figured out, like comic timing, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I love uh you know literally waka
Speaker 1: waka like as a child wa child. Yeah, like all
Speaker 1: of that just the corny ist jokes. Well, there was
Speaker 1: nothing funnier than when Miss Piggy would say when she
Speaker 1: would say you were on the floor every every time,
Speaker 1: name another legend. Miss Piggy was it before it? Okay,
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely and also really one of the most iconic divas,
Speaker 1: like the diva's no do you have to time that
Speaker 1: Miss Piggy Yeah, yeah, and fully accepting of like just
Speaker 1: the various looks, the looks, I mean, you knew what
Speaker 1: what what era we're talking about when she had like
Speaker 1: the barber streisand perm um, you know that was lucky. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that woman would be in Bob
Speaker 1: Mackie garments. It's wild. It's wild. Uh. This yeah, a
Speaker 1: puppet things that we the general public would have to
Speaker 1: like pay thousands of dollars to even look at in person.
Speaker 1: Miss Piggy was draped in it. Yeah, swimming, her whole
Speaker 1: vibe was a fainting couch, her whole it was. It
Speaker 1: was Mariah before Mariah. Absolutely, the influence there is, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's something meaningful here. Yes, absolutely, but there's something meaningful
Speaker 1: here where It's like if you were to like walk
Speaker 1: Miss Piggy on the runway at a fashion show for
Speaker 1: like Gucci or like Christian Cowen, like, it would not
Speaker 1: be ironic. It would not be like Pappa. It'd be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's miss Piggy. Yeah. Absolutely. Victoria Beckham
Speaker 1: wouldn't crack a smile. She'd be like, I like the
Speaker 1: hem on that if Miss Peggy was walking down she
Speaker 1: was like, that's really interesting. We're going to get six
Speaker 1: of those exactly you. I mean, you may get the
Speaker 1: you know, with pas. She may see that she's thinking
Speaker 1: about a smirk, and that's really and that's that's the
Speaker 1: highest praise you can get, is the thought of the
Speaker 1: maybe of a smirk. She's like, I like the humor
Speaker 1: of having Miss Piggy on the runway, But most importantly,
Speaker 1: I like the way she was wearing the clothes and
Speaker 1: the clothes weren't wearing. Huh. That's really the vibe. It's
Speaker 1: a very good accent from from you, from you, the
Speaker 1: accent King sketch legend. Oh my god, said ration for
Speaker 1: your consideration. Wait, we have to ask Sala because I
Speaker 1: do think this is. I don't want to foist onto
Speaker 1: you the Sesame stree because I'm sure this has happened.
Speaker 1: This happens very often with people, as I'm sure they
Speaker 1: like are begging you to talk about Sesame struck. They'reing
Speaker 1: I that would be and I love it. I do
Speaker 1: love it. I do love it. But we're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna ask you, what is the culture that made you
Speaker 1: say culture is for you? That made you say culture
Speaker 1: is for me? The formative culture, pop culture, whether it
Speaker 1: was music, books, film, television. It can be Sesame Streight. Again,
Speaker 1: we can keep going down this path. It can be
Speaker 1: other things. This is. This was a tough one. I
Speaker 1: thought about this a lot because I knew it would
Speaker 1: be I knew it would be a music video because
Speaker 1: music videos are so important, right, So it was hard.
Speaker 1: I I narrowed down the two music videos and I
Speaker 1: didn't want to do obvious choices. I wanted to think
Speaker 1: of ones that really did like hit me in some way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got a zig when you're supposed to act right,
Speaker 1: And so basically, there are two music videos and I
Speaker 1: just revisited them to make sure I'm not going crazy
Speaker 1: and I'm not they really did. They really do kind
Speaker 1: of have a hold on me. Uh. The first one is,
Speaker 1: uh for my aesthetic for aesthetic reasons, um the Cruel
Speaker 1: Summer video by Banana Rama. The whole thing. I'm trying.
Speaker 1: I've been trying to do that for so long, and
Speaker 1: I'm I think I'm there. I think I'm there, But
Speaker 1: it's you know, yeah, I mean, so are you? Are
Speaker 1: you an overall's queen? I'm not an over I I'm
Speaker 1: not yet an overall's queen. But the where the pants
Speaker 1: fall like they're a short pant with a white sock
Speaker 1: and like a sensible shoe, a sensible flat they're either
Speaker 1: kind of pleaded, so they're kind of bagging. Just that
Speaker 1: whole age, it's kind of you know, shirts are disheveled,
Speaker 1: hair is a mess, but there's a red lip and
Speaker 1: you're just constantly fussing with it. You cantention casual. Yes
Speaker 1: you can't dance, but you can walk to the beat
Speaker 1: down the street. That's me. That is me absolutely walking
Speaker 1: to the BA down the street to the Brooklyn Bridge Park, right. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's absolutely because I before that I was super into
Speaker 1: like uh Cyndi Lauper and boy George and um David
Speaker 1: Lee Roth from Van Halen, you know, all the classics,
Speaker 1: all the camps camp. But I knew that those looks
Speaker 1: weren't sustainable, right, you know. I had so much face washing,
Speaker 1: you know, like really the skin care of it all exactly.
Speaker 1: But what they were doing, I was like, I can
Speaker 1: do that's that's doable, and you can match you know,
Speaker 1: you can throw some leg warmers in there. I'm big
Speaker 1: on leg warmers, so um. So I definitely was just like,
Speaker 1: this is my this is my look, well, this is
Speaker 1: back this this whole athetic. In fact, the last week
Speaker 1: I on the podcast during the recording, and it's because
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm fully re soaking back into this authetic
Speaker 1: that you're discussing. And we'll we call this a drop crotch.
Speaker 1: I guess where it's just how how low there I
Speaker 1: mean in the in the images I'm looking at like
Speaker 1: talking about the video. Oh yeah no, no, they're just
Speaker 1: a baggy pleated pant. I think they're just baggy, but
Speaker 1: they still sent you a little at the bottom. I don't,
Speaker 1: it's just it's a whole thing. I showed it to
Speaker 1: my uh. I showed like a clip of it to
Speaker 1: my roommate earlier, and um, I was just like, I
Speaker 1: think this video might be kind of why I am
Speaker 1: what I am, and I just kind of sent him
Speaker 1: a clip and the immediate was like, oh yeah, look
Speaker 1: at where those pants ball. Like that's absolutely and he
Speaker 1: knew his eye went to the pants yeah immediately. And
Speaker 1: he's also like considerably younger than me, so he didn't
Speaker 1: grow up with cruel summer. It was the first time
Speaker 1: he was really seeing it and he was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's absolutely your essence. So I feel like I was
Speaker 1: nailing that. We love. Yeah, it's so interesting to like
Speaker 1: to think of baggy I just said baggy clothes are
Speaker 1: back in, and then the baggy Queen herself this week,
Speaker 1: Billie Eilish, was like, just kidding, I'm in lingerie now.
Speaker 1: So again she's zigged when she's act No, she's doing
Speaker 1: She's doing exactly what she's supposed to be doing. She's
Speaker 1: she's nineteen. She's willing to let you see cleavage. I
Speaker 1: mean I remember, and you know it's it's clockwork at
Speaker 1: every free um white girl or anyone with any proximity
Speaker 1: to white girls growing up, you have to make that decision.
Speaker 1: Are you Betty Page, are you Marilyn Monroe. So so
Speaker 1: she's she's making that decision, she's doing that. And then
Speaker 1: as soon as you hit nineteen, not eighteen, um, because eighteen, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, well at eighteen, if you've been a baggy
Speaker 1: person like your teen years, um, and you're you're you're
Speaker 1: a woman, and you you're you've been wearing stuff over
Speaker 1: your your chest was probably big and you don't want
Speaker 1: anyone to see you. We're in big clothes. Um. At
Speaker 1: nineteen is when you're like, no, I'm ready. I think
Speaker 1: I'm ready. So she's I mean, she's absolutely on track.
Speaker 1: When I saw the cover of British Vogue, I was like, yep,
Speaker 1: that's absolutely I flashed back to me in a cat
Speaker 1: suit with a see through baby doll dress at nineteen,
Speaker 1: when before I was dressing like you know yeah, and
Speaker 1: probably saying and probably saying, I'll never dress like, never
Speaker 1: look like that. Not what Billy had been said, so interesting,
Speaker 1: and I will, I will say, just for the sake
Speaker 1: of this point, not in like a gross way, like
Speaker 1: big natural. She's got she's got big natural. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: she's going to move awkwardly with them for for a
Speaker 1: little while she I mean, she's just going to be
Speaker 1: like I mean, I guess they're out now, I don't
Speaker 1: know what to do. And she hasn't figured out she
Speaker 1: she's got the look and that, you know, she's got
Speaker 1: everything made for her, but she still doesn't know yet
Speaker 1: what to do with her face, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? So she's still so she's still kind of
Speaker 1: like sullen youth while giving you bombshell from the neck down,
Speaker 1: but sullen youth. And it's like, I'm like, man, once
Speaker 1: you get all that together, that's going to unlock another
Speaker 1: thing for you. I hope you will be ready for it.
Speaker 1: But I see you fumbling with the keys right now.
Speaker 1: I see it, perfect see you, And I can't even
Speaker 1: like I know what's going to happen. They're going to
Speaker 1: be a good Jillian thing. Pieces about is she even
Speaker 1: ready to do this? And blah blah blah, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: didn't we already go through this like we do almost
Speaker 1: every When are we going to understand that? When? Uh?
Speaker 1: When when a girl hits like nineteen twenty and she
Speaker 1: starts to do these things, it's not an acting out
Speaker 1: like it's it's part of the journey development. It's part
Speaker 1: of the development. This is all. This is absolutely how
Speaker 1: this should go, and we should treat it with grace
Speaker 1: and not like shock, like oh my god, how dare
Speaker 1: she put on a tight T shirt? No, this is
Speaker 1: what this is what we're supposed to be doing. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also I don't like the way people are treating
Speaker 1: her now where it's like, oh, she said she never
Speaker 1: do this, she's selling out, Like now what what is
Speaker 1: what is the message? It's like, you know what, like
Speaker 1: shut up? Please? Also let women dress however they want.
Speaker 1: How about how did we not see this coming? She
Speaker 1: had the nails on for two years. She's been telling
Speaker 1: us all those T shirts were expensive st shirts. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she was gonna show up in a course. Come on,
Speaker 1: she's wearing like the Gucci and the off white and everything,
Speaker 1: like she knows fast. She understands fashion absolutely, She's it's
Speaker 1: not that she doesn't know what she's doing. It's that
Speaker 1: she's moving into this new sartorial thing edit where now
Speaker 1: she's like unveiling something that we have not seen it
Speaker 1: for yet. And I think it's very exciting. But I
Speaker 1: think the blonde bomb show look but still like the
Speaker 1: sullen face is actually an intentional sort of choice choice
Speaker 1: that she's mixed. And it's like, oh, because it is.
Speaker 1: Because Matt and I were at Universal Studios last week
Speaker 1: when she came out with like, you know, the album
Speaker 1: and the trailer for for the single and all that,
Speaker 1: and we were like, wow, this is kind of something
Speaker 1: we have seen but haven't before. And then the British
Speaker 1: road cover, I was just like, oh my god, like
Speaker 1: this is this is very calculated. I don't mean that
Speaker 1: in the pejorative. I mean it's very thought out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's that finitely moving with intention with it. And I
Speaker 1: was watching um where she answers questions for Vogue and
Speaker 1: so she's still she's sitting on a couch. It's perfect everything,
Speaker 1: and then they show like a celebrity asking her a
Speaker 1: question and then her face so alive and animated, and
Speaker 1: it's just like, I mean, that's in there. That's in
Speaker 1: there too. And so I mean when she gets to
Speaker 1: Screwball comedy Dame, you know what I mean, when she's
Speaker 1: a superstar, she's got I think she's capable of a lot,
Speaker 1: and she also has I think that she has such
Speaker 1: a gravity and she's always had such a gravity since
Speaker 1: the beginning that I think, um that that was. I
Speaker 1: think why when when when we saw the photo of
Speaker 1: what her new aesthetic was for this album cycle, we
Speaker 1: actually laughed because we thought, oh, this is so smart,
Speaker 1: like the way that she was like now blonde, and
Speaker 1: she turned to camera, looked dead in the to the
Speaker 1: camera and was like basically saying fuck you with her eyes.
Speaker 1: Like I kind of thought, oh, maybe is this a
Speaker 1: comment like I don't actually want to be in this,
Speaker 1: but I am. I think we need to hear more
Speaker 1: of the album to find out if there's if there's
Speaker 1: actually something going on. It could be anything. I I
Speaker 1: still think the jury is out on what is being said.
Speaker 1: I think that. Um the they had just that very
Speaker 1: short audio of the title track of the album, Happier
Speaker 1: Than Ever, where it's like when you're when I'm not
Speaker 1: with you or something, I'm happier than Ever, and it's
Speaker 1: very like it's very lynch Ian. It's very Lynchian, that
Speaker 1: perfect very and so I was immediately just like, what
Speaker 1: I need to hear the rest of that song because
Speaker 1: that's a banger I can tell already. Um, So like
Speaker 1: I hope that's where I mean if she wants to
Speaker 1: do torch songs, she could go that way, she could
Speaker 1: go full on pop up. Uh, she can keep murmuring
Speaker 1: into a mic whichever one she wants to do, and
Speaker 1: it'll all still makes sense. But I mean, I'm I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see what what is next. But it
Speaker 1: also is just like, yep, we're right on schedule. We're
Speaker 1: trucking along. Let's see, you know, let's not try to
Speaker 1: derail or with thoughts of like how could she? Of
Speaker 1: course she could we all do. This is happening in
Speaker 1: every neighborhood, every neighborhood, there is some nineteen year old
Speaker 1: who's just like, I'm gonna get the longer acrylics, do
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm going I'm gonna I'm gonna branch
Speaker 1: out in some way. I'm gonna wear a crop top.
Speaker 1: It's happening to all women of all sizes too. So
Speaker 1: I don't think that it's not everybody is doing something
Speaker 1: where they're just they they're trying to switch it up
Speaker 1: because it is a time of extreme change, you know,
Speaker 1: until the Saturn returns or whatever. But yeah, but you're
Speaker 1: coming about her face too, like it's all they're like,
Speaker 1: you're surting. This is such a weird thing to reference,
Speaker 1: but there she loves the office, as we know. There's
Speaker 1: a video of Rain Wilson like meeting her and she
Speaker 1: is so genuinely excited and delighted in surprise that you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: so like that's like the essence of her in some
Speaker 1: way where she's just like actually like a very animated
Speaker 1: person and she's funny and she's she's got jokes and
Speaker 1: she's she just does her bits and you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: so this is like a very manicured facade. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's gene and it's genius. Yeah. Yeah, I watched that
Speaker 1: documentary that was on I still have it. It's it's
Speaker 1: pretty good. It's pretty good. There's a scene where she
Speaker 1: meets Justin Bieber and the way that she plays it
Speaker 1: was very touching. It was very touching. It was hilarious
Speaker 1: but also very touching. Um, but also like what do
Speaker 1: you do in that? What do you do in that regard?
Speaker 1: Like when you meet someone huge, you know, you just
Speaker 1: however you want to act and you try to play
Speaker 1: it cool, but then you can't anymore or you know,
Speaker 1: so lose all faculty, And how do you if you know,
Speaker 1: you're losing all faculty on the inside. How is that
Speaker 1: being as how do you pull it together? And then
Speaker 1: how do you just let it go? And you see
Speaker 1: her do both of those things. So it's really um.
Speaker 1: That part was like maybe my favorite part, just like
Speaker 1: seeing someone trying to keep it together and then also
Speaker 1: losing it and like just you know, that is the
Speaker 1: dichotomy though, isn't it? Though? Because something I watched a
Speaker 1: little bit of it, and I not because I didn't
Speaker 1: like it, just because I only got to see a
Speaker 1: little bit of it. But I thought one thing, the
Speaker 1: number one thing I got from it was she's a kid.
Speaker 1: Like she she's she's young, and I think that there
Speaker 1: is like a lot of there is a lot of
Speaker 1: depth there and a lot of gravity there and a
Speaker 1: lot of genius there, you might even say. But she
Speaker 1: also like her personality is she is a kid or
Speaker 1: she was a kid when this was filmed. Then, so
Speaker 1: that to me was not it's it's almost weird to
Speaker 1: say that was the most surprising revelation revelation from it
Speaker 1: because she is young, like literally on paper, she's a
Speaker 1: she's a young person um, but she has a kid
Speaker 1: youthful vibe and I thought that really read that really
Speaker 1: came through. I want to know what what was the
Speaker 1: second music video that you second music video is um
Speaker 1: self Control by Laura Branigan. Okay I'm not familiar. You
Speaker 1: might have to educate, Okay, so um, Laura Brannigan had
Speaker 1: a big hit song in the eighties called Gloria and yeah,
Speaker 1: I think yeah that one, and then her follow up
Speaker 1: was a song called self Control, which I think was
Speaker 1: like a a cover of like an Italian pop song,
Speaker 1: I believe. But but the uh, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: just about it's just your basic song about a dude
Speaker 1: who makes you kind of lose your control when he's
Speaker 1: around and all that stuff. But it's also about you know,
Speaker 1: being out at night and uh mystery and this guy
Speaker 1: and you just can't control yourself when you see him.
Speaker 1: So the video is kind of along those lines as well.
Speaker 1: And it's literally what I thought being an adult would
Speaker 1: be like. So it's just you get dressed up and
Speaker 1: you're off the shoulder sweater dress, and you you walk
Speaker 1: the streets of New York which are clearly inside and um,
Speaker 1: and you encounter a guy with a full mask on
Speaker 1: a jabberwocky mask and um, and you you then follow
Speaker 1: him to an underground uh like orgy of some sort
Speaker 1: and everybody's in unitards, which I also thought would play
Speaker 1: a very big part in my life. I thought dance
Speaker 1: craving was going to be the reason for the sea,
Speaker 1: that's what all adults were doing. And um, and you know,
Speaker 1: you end up hooking up with this man of mystery
Speaker 1: and uh, it's just very seemy and you end up
Speaker 1: and I guess maybe a New York apartment with lots
Speaker 1: of dropcloths everywhere. Um, and then uh, the guy has
Speaker 1: his way with you and uh and then he disappears
Speaker 1: into the night, and you just think fondly of it,
Speaker 1: and then you do it all over again. And I
Speaker 1: thought that's what being an adult was like, and then
Speaker 1: I really forgot about it. And then I spent a
Speaker 1: lot of my twenties and thirties doing just that, like
Speaker 1: like dressing up and going out dancing many times a week.
Speaker 1: And then you know, it's just like in underground clubs
Speaker 1: and just like, yeah, we're doing it. We're adults, let's
Speaker 1: you know, and it's it's a wild video. It's my
Speaker 1: eighties that you know, what I mean, just I really
Speaker 1: thought that's what and it had such an effect on me. Well,
Speaker 1: I was just like, yeah, this is absolutely what being
Speaker 1: an adult is. Like, I have a couple of questions.
Speaker 1: These are incredible ends and these are incredibly answers to
Speaker 1: the question, by the way, But um, okay, So when
Speaker 1: so in your twenties when you were going out, was
Speaker 1: there some background context to what you were doing where
Speaker 1: you were like, I am doing this and it's fulfilling
Speaker 1: this desire in this fantasy that I've had since I
Speaker 1: was a child, where I would I'm doing self control
Speaker 1: or or is it was that later the realization came,
Speaker 1: the realization it was implanted, but it was not conscious
Speaker 1: Scott Child, Yes exactly. Because I started going out, like
Speaker 1: while I was still in high school. I would go,
Speaker 1: you know, out the clubs where you you're supposed to
Speaker 1: be this age and you're under that age, but you
Speaker 1: look cool. You know how it is, you're wearing all
Speaker 1: of the black necessary. Yeah, come on in, come on in,
Speaker 1: you're fine, and um, so I definitely brings and so right, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what's up? Um, And that's tough because when
Speaker 1: I was going out like as a teenager, a very
Speaker 1: strict uh cool person. Dress code were black and white
Speaker 1: striped stockings, real white. Yeah, that was that. That was tough,
Speaker 1: but it was necessary, preferably thig highs if you had him,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was a tough hey man,
Speaker 1: it was a tough time. We all thought we were sushy.
Speaker 1: We know, we were susy and or base she's you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. We all were here, we all
Speaker 1: were depeche mode. We knew nothing and um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: so I just continue to do that, and at some
Speaker 1: point I just remember seeing like people writhing around on
Speaker 1: the floor, like I'm standing up against the wall and
Speaker 1: I'm watching people dance in the club, and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: I've been doing this a long time, want you know,
Speaker 1: out here dancing and also watching people dance. This is
Speaker 1: kind of wild that this has been my life, that
Speaker 1: I really look forward to this, like I yeah, and
Speaker 1: then it is it is nice. It is nice. It
Speaker 1: is nice, and I miss it and I'm um, I do,
Speaker 1: and I I would like to get back to it.
Speaker 1: But I moved to New York from Atlanta and I
Speaker 1: never even I just came here and immediately started doing
Speaker 1: comedy like the reason you moved was comedy, So do that.
Speaker 1: And then I was starting to get to a point
Speaker 1: where I was like, I should try to see where
Speaker 1: people go and you know, not their heads to hip
Speaker 1: hop or something. And then you know, the whole the
Speaker 1: whole place shut down. I was like, Okay, sorry I
Speaker 1: had that thought. I'm sorry, everybody, I'm sorry. I know
Speaker 1: it's all back a fun summer. It might go to
Speaker 1: an outdoor lot or something. You know, there's there there,
Speaker 1: there are safe ways to do, you can find. It's
Speaker 1: out there. It's out there. Um My second question, really,
Speaker 1: and I think you can answer this very quickly, for
Speaker 1: both Cruel Summer and Self Control, did the music really
Speaker 1: matter or was it just purely about the storytelling and
Speaker 1: the aesthetics of the of the videos? Both of them
Speaker 1: are both of them are bangers. But I think for
Speaker 1: Cruel Summer it was the aesthetic and um, self Control
Speaker 1: it was both because Self Control is a banger. It
Speaker 1: really goes, it does. So I will say the aesthetic
Speaker 1: from Self Control that I actually think is still a
Speaker 1: look but I know no one is doing it isn't
Speaker 1: off the shoulder sweater. I think that is glam. That
Speaker 1: is something from like the eighties, I guess early nineties
Speaker 1: that I I actually think is is stunning. Is just
Speaker 1: a one shoulder moment and like a sort of what
Speaker 1: would you call this, like an exaggerated turtleneck, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, where it's like folded down, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, I think the exposed shoulder, one
Speaker 1: one exposed shoulder. I am about it. I'm about that.
Speaker 1: I think I think it is still like a slightly
Speaker 1: classy thing to do. I'm like, it's it's like retro.
Speaker 1: But I don't want them to say that timeless. It's timeless, okay,
Speaker 1: Just it relies like just an ease with all surroundings.
Speaker 1: Like I'm so chill at this, you know, at this party,
Speaker 1: at this wedding. Most Confident Award. Yeah I I can
Speaker 1: just I'll just show you a shoulder and it means nothing.
Speaker 1: You know, this is place or this is like complete
Speaker 1: glitter it, none of it. It doesn't matter. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: so chill. And it's classical culture. It's classical culture, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Hey, honestly, it is. It is that.
Speaker 1: And I used to you know, I used to always
Speaker 1: like be because I don't know maybe this is like
Speaker 1: a you have a good you have you we I
Speaker 1: think we all have good classicals in this room, but
Speaker 1: I do not like that I had a pronounced clasical.
Speaker 1: And then like when I got into my twenties, and
Speaker 1: like we wouldever whenever, we would do like like whatever
Speaker 1: bone and I what I would do a drag thing
Speaker 1: like what happened every now and now like remember night Soap,
Speaker 1: we wore those like we were wearing those. We were
Speaker 1: wealthy women in the eighties. Yes, And so it was
Speaker 1: dynasty with the reference. And so I was looking at
Speaker 1: my classical and I was like, oh my god, this
Speaker 1: is the this is the Carrington Colby clavical. This is
Speaker 1: exactly this is serious. This is a period clasical. This
Speaker 1: is exactly right. And now I can move on with
Speaker 1: my life. It's so languid. It's just you know, like
Speaker 1: every you're that close to just melting everywhere. It's just beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's so graceful to me for the reference. This is
Speaker 1: a reference that Matt will appreciate. It's wildest dreams. It's
Speaker 1: wild thank you, okay, it's a it's a Taylor Swift song.
Speaker 1: It's it's our shared Okay, alright, understand, But it's also
Speaker 1: a language. It's a languid song. Yeah, it is a language,
Speaker 1: but it's it's I think one of the most active
Speaker 1: langue with songs, certainly in the Taylor Swift canon, maybe
Speaker 1: in the pop music canon, as in the Last Yea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind to be languid and also active and intentional.
Speaker 1: That's hard. It's a tough line to walk, it is.
Speaker 1: There's I don't know. I feel like we're losing some
Speaker 1: of linguidity. I don't know, or we're calling it vibes.
Speaker 1: I don't know. So where do you stand on like
Speaker 1: the vibe music versus like like like music that hits
Speaker 1: where where? What's what's your deal? Here's I like a bridge?
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't mind if we brought back a bridge
Speaker 1: or two, you know what I mean. I think I
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind if there was more. There are some people,
Speaker 1: like some vocalists, where I'm just like, oh, wow, you
Speaker 1: sound great. I'm gonna listen to what you've got, And
Speaker 1: then I'm like, I did a song end like bridge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's nothing that's really kind of you know, we're putting
Speaker 1: a lot, We're putting a on the vocalist to come
Speaker 1: up with the melody, and maybe that's not necessarily their thing,
Speaker 1: and we need to bring in someone who can stare
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like sometimes it's it's just
Speaker 1: not I need a little structure. I need something to
Speaker 1: react against. And a bridge is a great way to
Speaker 1: like really rile up emotion. Absolutely, I mean so you
Speaker 1: would actually love to do you like Tyler? You know what,
Speaker 1: I've never really messed with her. You try messing with her, understand,
Speaker 1: because she is a bridge queen, all right. You can
Speaker 1: tell she loves you, can tell she loves writing them,
Speaker 1: and she's even said, you know, she's like, I love writing.
Speaker 1: She's a bridge first, bridge forward artists. She loves safe
Speaker 1: for me to move in with her lowercase album can
Speaker 1: I Can I move in with lowercase records? Or the
Speaker 1: lowercase records are actually ones where she's being experiment more
Speaker 1: experimental structure. She's doing what a lot of the new
Speaker 1: the New girls are doing, the new kids are doing
Speaker 1: where they're array sing the bridges altogether, or the songs
Speaker 1: are very loose and ambient. Okay, that's great pop music.
Speaker 1: It throws back to the late eighties, early nineties and
Speaker 1: it's very that Phil Collins thing, but she does big bridges.
Speaker 1: It's like epic bridges and that. And I would also
Speaker 1: say reputation, a reputation to reputation goes hard a lot
Speaker 1: of great bridges and great bridges. But the thing I
Speaker 1: think nowadays is because the songs perform better on Spotify
Speaker 1: when they're short, they cut, the bridges have gone away
Speaker 1: in popular music today right now, their bridges are absent
Speaker 1: because they like a lot of tracks and short songs,
Speaker 1: and that's what gets so that it streams better, so
Speaker 1: that there's more so that there's just more better streaming numbers.
Speaker 1: That's a shame, because I really do like a bridge,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's just there's there's such
Speaker 1: a power in you know, even if you're not doing
Speaker 1: a modulation, just at least give me a little bit
Speaker 1: of a switch, you know what I mean. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: they're fun. There's so much fun to sing in the shower,
Speaker 1: whether or not I can hit it, like um oh
Speaker 1: the bridge to Pieces of Me by Ashley come on,
Speaker 1: waitst second, come on, and you did not just go
Speaker 1: there come through with that? That is a beautiful I
Speaker 1: love that. So yeah, how do you know everything I'm
Speaker 1: about to say, am I obvious? And if it's written
Speaker 1: on my face? Great? Ye? And then she gives you
Speaker 1: the chorus into the bigger chorus. It's that kind of
Speaker 1: pop song where it's like not really designed to be
Speaker 1: performed live, it's kind of be meant to be performed
Speaker 1: live so everyone around you can sing it with you.
Speaker 1: It's that thing of relatable queen hashtag can't really sing
Speaker 1: the halftag made of hooks. Um ye. Yeah, she just
Speaker 1: needed to nail it like that one time, and they're like,
Speaker 1: we will fix it in post and then because I
Speaker 1: hold to hold the mic out from this point on,
Speaker 1: the audience will get it. She may not have even
Speaker 1: made it through the whole yeah, and also noticed she's
Speaker 1: not it's not there's no vibrato one yeah, it's she's
Speaker 1: just hitting a screaming so every it's so everyone in
Speaker 1: the audience who's a thirteen year old f A G
Speaker 1: G O T and their girlfriends twice live one pre
Speaker 1: SNL funk up one post I hung with her, screaming
Speaker 1: it along while their eventual prompt is on their back.
Speaker 1: The girl that you are on the track team with
Speaker 1: shout out to Jessica to me, but yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: real truths. Yeah, yeah, that's a that's a great bridge though.
Speaker 1: Whoever was John Shanks and Kara dio Guardy were the writers? Really? Okay?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah that's culture. When she when Karen Diaguardy
Speaker 1: was hired as an American idol judge, I knew her
Speaker 1: from writing that song so funny. She was featured in
Speaker 1: the Ashley Simpson Show, right, okay, I do remember that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was also. I was surprised at how much I
Speaker 1: enjoyed that, although I thought it was I thought it
Speaker 1: was odd that like, um, I was just like, well,
Speaker 1: I understand that you're old girls sister, um, but I'm
Speaker 1: not sure the girl sister culture. It's a real culture.
Speaker 1: Number thirty nine, Ashley Simpsons. I understand girl dot dot dot,
Speaker 1: but I just I was like, it's very baldsy of
Speaker 1: you to assume that we care enough that when you
Speaker 1: die your hair black that we're already do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? We didn't know what led to yeah,
Speaker 1: the black hair incident. She's just like, I've dyed my
Speaker 1: hair black, so you know that means you gotta take
Speaker 1: me seriously. And I was like I mean, I guess,
Speaker 1: but this is like episode two. Yeah, I'm a rocker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I alright, fine, wrist wrist band, whatever whatever it
Speaker 1: is we're doing. I guess that's all right. Sure, But
Speaker 1: but then you know she belted out that song, which
Speaker 1: is the only way to sing it. The ods we
Speaker 1: camp be time too, but not in a way that
Speaker 1: was slanted towards like you know, uh like Iraq Bush
Speaker 1: era politics. The Iraq War was camp. That's a phone
Speaker 1: sing Iraq was camp. Honestly, though, you could never have
Speaker 1: told anyone during the odds doing that that they were camp,
Speaker 1: like honestly, like looking back at seeing like the way
Speaker 1: Parris and Nicole are dressed in a simple life like
Speaker 1: it's so insane, but but you couldn't tell anyone they
Speaker 1: weren't the coolest chicst people in the world, right right,
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was so it was just so everywhere.
Speaker 1: That was a very rough time for clothing. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: with the low rise that was I mean, I was
Speaker 1: that was tough, and I was like, uh, like early
Speaker 1: thirties and I was like I don't know what to
Speaker 1: do here, like like that that that that possibility is
Speaker 1: slipping away from me, I don't what what why it was.
Speaker 1: It was really hard. It was very always like I guess,
Speaker 1: oh so I'm just maybe I'm homebound. Maybe I just
Speaker 1: maybe that's it. I guess we we just we we
Speaker 1: and pizzas, we make Bootleg mcgory sours at the house.
Speaker 1: We watched the o C. Right, yeah, these are bound
Speaker 1: you know that the kind of thing it's which is
Speaker 1: every these are bound to come up. Ye bound. This
Speaker 1: can't be forever truly the word you saying, going like
Speaker 1: like this generation even like gen Z now trying to
Speaker 1: do a middle part like that doesn't mean we should
Speaker 1: be trying to do a middle part. Let them Oh
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah yeah, right yeah. I think it's fine
Speaker 1: to like it's like what was saying. It's like I
Speaker 1: had the same reaction even as a kid growing up
Speaker 1: in that time, being like how do I fit into this?
Speaker 1: Don't because I'm not I'm not a Hollister kid, I'm
Speaker 1: not from I'm not a surfer, I'm not like what
Speaker 1: am I What aesthetic am I trying to go for?
Speaker 1: I think it's fine to look from afar what's going
Speaker 1: on like fashion wise and be like I don't I
Speaker 1: don't have to do that. Yeah, I think I think
Speaker 1: it's like an understanding of something as being commercially popular
Speaker 1: and that that literally just means it's for quote unquote, um,
Speaker 1: it's pretty much for like whatever, like mainstream like at
Speaker 1: that time, especially like a white audience, that was like
Speaker 1: watching Laguna Beach and being like, how do I be
Speaker 1: exactly at and nothing else? And that was what youth
Speaker 1: culture was at the time. And now now I think
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it doesn't seem so monolithic because
Speaker 1: there's not only one culture being shown back to A. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a huge hope. That is that is
Speaker 1: a huge hope when it it comes time to go
Speaker 1: shopping for sure. Oh man, you know, I couldn't even
Speaker 1: watch Laguna Beach because they were all blonde. I couldn't
Speaker 1: tell them apart. And I was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what this is, some sort of blonde blindness. I couldn't.
Speaker 1: It took them adding Adrina to the yeah, and I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, now I get it. That one's that
Speaker 1: one and this one works there. I literally needed a
Speaker 1: brunette in the mix or else. I was just like,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm not watching this show either. But right yea,
Speaker 1: and the Hills even it was hard between Whitney and
Speaker 1: Hide and and and and Lauren. It was then I
Speaker 1: had to like learn their personalities. Yeah, well or and
Speaker 1: I think war Eyeliner and I think that was like
Speaker 1: her thing. And Kristen Cavalry had like a bang like
Speaker 1: that that horrible. Um again, this is the early last
Speaker 1: they had that all the white girls had that one
Speaker 1: big bang that's swooped to the side. Remember that it
Speaker 1: was like an up to and like a one big
Speaker 1: huge bang to the side, really bad, like an overgrown bang.
Speaker 1: Good stuff, comedy, good stuff. Um Okay, so we think
Speaker 1: we are getting to the time. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: a k A. The the sort of high point of
Speaker 1: every episode of Lost Culture where we take one minute
Speaker 1: exactly to rant and rave against something in culture that
Speaker 1: you know what, it needs to be discussed. If it's
Speaker 1: a negative light, maybe it'll be an illuminating light. It'll
Speaker 1: definitely make you think. It'll probably be negative. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't have a good thing to say about mine. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: about to spoil what's happened thus far in the second
Speaker 1: season of The Circle. You might want to skip like
Speaker 1: five minutes and then you're probably gonna be okay, But
Speaker 1: sorry about that. I just had to say what I
Speaker 1: thought about the Circle Okay, so skip now, great, this
Speaker 1: is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. And as
Speaker 1: time starts now, I don't think so honey. The rules
Speaker 1: of the show, The Circle Girl, the rules be changing
Speaker 1: every single episode. Why are the flops that were voted
Speaker 1: out Jack playing Emily and Lisa playing Lance bass so badly?
Speaker 1: Why are they still eligible to win? They were blocked?
Speaker 1: And then you had Cat and Mitchell blocked. Ok the
Speaker 1: I Candy is g O and E and yet they're gone,
Speaker 1: Like come on. Also, I don't think so, honey, that
Speaker 1: the gays are the villains this season. As River and Courtney,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I cannot be rooting for you because you
Speaker 1: guys were the reason why my queen Tyre Alicia is
Speaker 1: not there anymore and Tera Alicia did not get the credit.
Speaker 1: If you want to know who's singing on right now,
Speaker 1: it is de Lisa all the way, and I know
Speaker 1: my back Trevor Delisa Trevor all the way. And if
Speaker 1: they have some fuckory go down that fux her over,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be pissed because I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: I don't trust the rules. Let the rules be simple,
Speaker 1: no twist. I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute.
Speaker 1: We're we will bring on michelleby to herself to and
Speaker 1: I will have to. Netflix is making me drag the
Speaker 1: show that our friend hosts, and I don't like doing it.
Speaker 1: But all I'm saying is, if you're blocked, you're blocked.
Speaker 1: I don't like any reality show that brings back eliminated
Speaker 1: people and then just they're back. They don't even earn it.
Speaker 1: They didn't even earn it. Lisa had the goal to
Speaker 1: be like, I'm playing as Lance Bass and when they
Speaker 1: asked for her reasoning why Lance Bass was playing, and
Speaker 1: she said to do an in synct reunion tour, which
Speaker 1: was the worst answer she could have ever done. Jack
Speaker 1: fucked up because his makeup was terrible. That mannequin. Why
Speaker 1: are they both still in? Why are they still in? Not?
Speaker 1: But I will I think I think this season finales
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. Perfect um. But I binged. I I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not a binge person. I did the whole thing
Speaker 1: in five days. I was like, this is a phenomenal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I absolutely will maybe maybe maybe I'll record a little
Speaker 1: thing at the Miate is a spoiler alert for everyone
Speaker 1: that hasn't been watching. But to me, it's just like,
Speaker 1: sometimes I get so frustrated because it's it's you see
Speaker 1: who is playing the best game, and then they throw
Speaker 1: a twist in there, like Courtney being the joker. What
Speaker 1: the fun was that Terrelesha was playing the best game?
Speaker 1: Deleasa is playing the best game right now? Courtney and
Speaker 1: Lee are just like, okay, so so there's a catfish.
Speaker 1: There's like a guy in his fifties maybe early sixties
Speaker 1: will say gay guy who's playing like a gay hit
Speaker 1: guy like guy, But Matt, I don't think he's cat
Speaker 1: fishing him. Not well, he's not. He's like getting like
Speaker 1: he's getting like phrases around like youth. He's literally flying
Speaker 1: under the rail ways that are insane. I'm like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but if I, if I were to really think about,
Speaker 1: if everyone just slows down for a second, it's obvious
Speaker 1: that Lee as River is a catfish. And to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, sometimes Delisa slips up as well, because
Speaker 1: she does get a little she gets a little feminine
Speaker 1: with the way she talks as Trevor just to touch.
Speaker 1: She gets away with it because she gets away with
Speaker 1: because she's like, I'm a dad, I'm a dad. I'm
Speaker 1: a dad, like like yes, and also it's you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I think Terlely she might have sucked up
Speaker 1: a little bit too in the pictures she decided to
Speaker 1: show of herself in the second round because very filtered
Speaker 1: pictures that made her looking a little bit like a catfish.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, it's so interesting when people
Speaker 1: decide to play as themselves and they seem like catfishes.
Speaker 1: That is a interesting comment on how people view themselves
Speaker 1: on social There's between your self perception and your Yeah,
Speaker 1: before we go to yours bow and I want to
Speaker 1: know if you went on their well, you I think
Speaker 1: would have to play as someone else. You could not
Speaker 1: play as bone Yang, not necessarily. I could play as
Speaker 1: myself and just be like I think they would know
Speaker 1: who you are. I would be like, I'm here to
Speaker 1: It's like Chloe like, so this this this girl from
Speaker 1: Too Hot to Handle right hard for Chloe too. Chloe
Speaker 1: is great. So this girl from Too Hot to Handle
Speaker 1: is now on the circle of this season and some
Speaker 1: of the and some of the contestants are like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, you're that girl from Too Hot to Handle,
Speaker 1: and she's like, yes, it's me. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: at it. I don't think it's adversely effected her. I
Speaker 1: think I would play as a hot girl Summer. I
Speaker 1: would play as hot girl Summer. I would play as like,
Speaker 1: I just think because this is hot girl name Summer,
Speaker 1: your name Summer, Yeah, Summer Lacroix. At that would be
Speaker 1: my character, Summer Lacroix, not at all, Summer, very believable,
Speaker 1: And all my pictures are all my pictures are of
Speaker 1: Greta Um. But basically this is I am not confident
Speaker 1: enough in my in my own ability to get myself
Speaker 1: across on social media without without without like engaging in weird,
Speaker 1: like try hardy things for social I think I would
Speaker 1: I would feel more confident as a Catfish character. I
Speaker 1: think I could remain more consistent as a character than
Speaker 1: I could as myself. Honestly, I think it'd be more
Speaker 1: likable too if I were not myself. That's crazy. Is
Speaker 1: this therapy? I think the producers tell these contestants ahead
Speaker 1: of time because to speak a certain way over the circle,
Speaker 1: because I mean usually, well, all these messages that they're
Speaker 1: sending to each other through this virtual it's not how
Speaker 1: people talk dictation, it's not people to talk at all.
Speaker 1: That there's like message, Hey, Queen, love the way you
Speaker 1: played the game today. I just wanted to tell you that. Um,
Speaker 1: when I was a child, I was touched by a
Speaker 1: relative hard emoji too hard on me blue, hashtag got
Speaker 1: your back hashtag sisters who were touched. So so it's
Speaker 1: just chaos. It's pure care. It's not normal communication styles
Speaker 1: at all. And the hashtags are like not real hashtag.
Speaker 1: It literally is like hashtag both born in the four
Speaker 1: on the fourth of July. It's like, it's so stupid,
Speaker 1: it's really insane. No one's ever said hashtag concrete angel,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what the hell that means Queen
Speaker 1: queen anyway. And and yes, these two gay men on
Speaker 1: one's one's that um guy in his sixties we mentioned,
Speaker 1: and then the other is this like um is this
Speaker 1: is this barbed gay dude who loves Nicki Minaj and
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift equally, which is a conflict of interest, But
Speaker 1: that's culture loving. It's a conflict. Here's the thing, Bowen
Speaker 1: that's us, both of us, that's us Courtney. I think
Speaker 1: I would love in real life the star, not the
Speaker 1: girl for not room for this. Gay would love to
Speaker 1: tour with court with Courtney like a like a bar,
Speaker 1: like you know, best of friends. And the reason is
Speaker 1: I could not play as myself because I know I
Speaker 1: would be Courtney. I know I would be Courtney. I
Speaker 1: know I'd be just evil. I'd have to play as
Speaker 1: someone else. Anyway. Yeah, okay, loving, thank you for giving
Speaker 1: us a space. Would love it. I'm totally going to
Speaker 1: give us a shot now. I'm giver start start with
Speaker 1: season two, okay, so start with his and two. Wow, fascinating. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I fell off after I fell I fell off like
Speaker 1: three episodes into one. I was like, this isn't for me,
Speaker 1: but too, I was for some reason, I was looked
Speaker 1: from the beginning. Maybe alex is one better now because
Speaker 1: you can see really the argents um and can't wait
Speaker 1: for the finale because of course it's Michelle's moment to
Speaker 1: shine because she hosts three un finale and she's really
Speaker 1: it's really a voiceover gig for her all year and
Speaker 1: then she really comes in the finale. You understand, all right,
Speaker 1: so I don't think so, honey, time starts now. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Your building is not wired for
Speaker 1: veries and fives. Bitch. Now I have to settle for
Speaker 1: middle tier spectrum internet that are gonna nose dive three
Speaker 1: months into my contract with them, and they'll say, oh,
Speaker 1: it's not a contract you can do month to month.
Speaker 1: I don't care. Give me the fast stuff, mainline, the inner,
Speaker 1: the ethernet to my devices, and now I gotta put
Speaker 1: it upstairs because my building is not wired for spectrum
Speaker 1: that optimally either you're not gonna you're not gonna perform
Speaker 1: building surgery on my apartment in order for me to
Speaker 1: get a fast WiFi connection. And the Internet should be
Speaker 1: a fast and free for everybody. Water like water deprivatized
Speaker 1: WiFi deprivatized Internet. I don't want. I don't want Salve
Speaker 1: from Flushing to come in and and make me wait
Speaker 1: for minutes so that he can like, look at look
Speaker 1: at my building's guts with binoculars in my laundry room.
Speaker 1: It's actually very vulnerable. And that's one minute. Can we
Speaker 1: say this is just the truth, And I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: have to be the bearer of bad news. To this
Speaker 1: wireless internet company. But Spectrum, you don't hold a candle
Speaker 1: to Verizon Files. You just don't. Have you ever fucked
Speaker 1: with Spectrum? I have not, But I grew up in
Speaker 1: a Comcast situation. Like I'm coming from a Coma, so
Speaker 1: that is that's the same. It's the like it's they
Speaker 1: want to send a guy to wire something in my house.
Speaker 1: And he had a nameplate belt buckle, what the buckley
Speaker 1: and it was Mark and it also was like kind
Speaker 1: of neon ish around it. So the Mark was like
Speaker 1: in you know, metal, but then there was like neon
Speaker 1: led lights around it. And he was just standing in
Speaker 1: my living room just kind of like, uh, this is nice.
Speaker 1: This is the nine place you got here. This is
Speaker 1: really nice. And I'm like, yeah, Mark, I'm gonna need
Speaker 1: you to do your thing and go do your job
Speaker 1: please E G TFO. As they said when when you
Speaker 1: said that your building was not fitted for Verizon files,
Speaker 1: my heartbook for you. As someone who also is in
Speaker 1: a building that is not fitted for Verizon Files, I
Speaker 1: just Spectrum is so not it. But I actually don't know.
Speaker 1: But who is to blame because we love Spectrum for
Speaker 1: giving us the access, for not having for not getting
Speaker 1: us to ask the question will my building be wired
Speaker 1: for it? Do? Or do we do we direct the
Speaker 1: ire towards Verizon for for having a be like masonry
Speaker 1: specific or whatever. That is weird, just uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I guess I guess you're right. They're problematic, but it's
Speaker 1: unfortunate because they're so goddamn good. So I never had
Speaker 1: Internet like that before in my life. I'll never happen again, never, never. Okay, alright,
Speaker 1: so listen up. This is the point in the show.
Speaker 1: Slia does her fucking thing and her thing. At least
Speaker 1: this episode is going to be I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Are you ready? I am ready. I knew it, I
Speaker 1: knew it. This is with Sharps. I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: Her time starts now. I don't think so honey. Paramount
Speaker 1: plus streaming site logo, it's so lazy. It's so you're
Speaker 1: the last one out. Okay, So you're seeing what everybody
Speaker 1: else is doing, right, you see what we're doing now.
Speaker 1: It's it's just the most simple blue with the mountain
Speaker 1: and the stars. Yeah, we know it. We've known it
Speaker 1: all this time. You're not going to shut it up
Speaker 1: for us at all. Uh, Hulu has got a nice
Speaker 1: little green and that's been changing colors a little bit.
Speaker 1: Um Disney. I mean there's blue as well, but it's gradiated,
Speaker 1: you know. And also and they're Disney. All they need
Speaker 1: is that big a S D and you got it.
Speaker 1: You know, Netflix was a big red end. But now
Speaker 1: it's a multi color. Uh, come on, HBO is doing
Speaker 1: queer coloring, like doing quick and you're just gonna come
Speaker 1: in here with this bootle It looks like Letterhead, it
Speaker 1: looks like lair Head. You didn't even try. Thank you
Speaker 1: for all the real worlds though, Yes, and that's one minute.
Speaker 1: I will say this for for a streaming service that
Speaker 1: actually kind of comes through in terms of the content.
Speaker 1: The logo, it's it's a little bit basic. It's very
Speaker 1: but it's like they didn't even think about it. They're like, uh,
Speaker 1: just given what we normally got, we gotta do more.
Speaker 1: You gotta do better, right, And it is important that
Speaker 1: they're the last ones out. Yeah, they're they're seeing what
Speaker 1: everyone else is doing. And they still gave us just
Speaker 1: milk toast. And you know, especially after HBO Max did
Speaker 1: the thing, because when that when that blue screen comes
Speaker 1: up and seas. But and then you have to get sound.
Speaker 1: You feel like you've unlocked something, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like you're entering the domain. You get why design and
Speaker 1: aesthetic and that sonic moment of welcome to HBO Max
Speaker 1: is is important. And all of the other ones just
Speaker 1: seem like they're alive slightly because they're missing with their colors.
Speaker 1: And that's what that's what the kids are doing. Now
Speaker 1: we've got these and there's so much going on, and
Speaker 1: it literally looks like Paramount plus just looks like a
Speaker 1: piece of paper that we've all literally flayed. It's very flat.
Speaker 1: It truly just looks like a scan like if they
Speaker 1: had just the light that came from a copier where
Speaker 1: if you're looking at a copy or that white light
Speaker 1: went across, it would make sense to me, but it
Speaker 1: would also be a little more dynamic than what they've
Speaker 1: got going on right now. Texture um absolutely and Mattla
Speaker 1: will be two kind to correct you. I will correct you,
Speaker 1: but that is classically color blind HBO Max. Guess what
Speaker 1: the color is? Purple? Its purple, okay see and that's
Speaker 1: how you know I'm I'm real. But it's clearly like
Speaker 1: bluish and pink, like it's not just full on just
Speaker 1: but you don't have to do that. But I can't
Speaker 1: see it. It's and I have a show on it,
Speaker 1: and I literally no when's ever I But I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, I don't think so. Only the people who
Speaker 1: haven't told you that it's not blue, who have not
Speaker 1: corrected you. I've kind of really been sitting around here
Speaker 1: on the quarantine myself. You see what you understand, There's
Speaker 1: really not really been anyone there where I've been like
Speaker 1: when that pops up, I'm like, that's blue, and they're
Speaker 1: likes so yeah, well, I mean it's definitely purple, but
Speaker 1: it's not as blue as the Paramount plus logo makes
Speaker 1: me feel. And also they have so much to work with,
Speaker 1: because correct me if I'm wrong, But the Paramount plus
Speaker 1: is is miss thing holding up the the we're talking
Speaker 1: about the mountain and the mountain. Yes, so you'd think
Speaker 1: like they can't do something with the mountain and the stars,
Speaker 1: like how the stars go around the mountains they would
Speaker 1: do when they're opening a movie. When it's open a movie,
Speaker 1: they have the stars and then they're not nothing. It's
Speaker 1: just boop. Here you go sign here and here is
Speaker 1: your here or your selections? So down floppy on the
Speaker 1: behavior behavior jes or flop logo. It makes me sad
Speaker 1: because they were you know, they're giving us real world
Speaker 1: again and I've been enjoying that. And uh, you know
Speaker 1: where else are you going to see Latifa as the equalizer?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like they're giving us choices?
Speaker 1: So wait, have you checked in with Latifa as the equalizer?
Speaker 1: Not yet? I do, I do. I do love Dana Owen.
Speaker 1: I really, I'm a annivers. I think she's done exceptional
Speaker 1: work all the way through her career, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's been acknowledged enough. I mean, honestly like
Speaker 1: her her comedy Chops in Living Single far none amazing,
Speaker 1: musical theater yes, comedy drama Oscar nominated, Yeah yeah Chicago.
Speaker 1: Oh so you know what's interesting, like doesn't get the
Speaker 1: credit for being a full on movie star above the
Speaker 1: title movie star. People forget she has opened big movies
Speaker 1: for a long time and this show is a huge
Speaker 1: hit and only a big star can can like just
Speaker 1: instantly make a show huge like that. But the reason
Speaker 1: why all these things are popping off is because Latifa
Speaker 1: is a superstar, and you're so right. She doesn't get that, Um,
Speaker 1: she doesn't get that those flowers gather flowers. Also, her
Speaker 1: hair always laid always, and she's kind of doing something
Speaker 1: a little different than the equalizer. Yea, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I think she just has a good face for any
Speaker 1: bone structure, for any length, any style. I think that's
Speaker 1: also what we're working. I met her one time when
Speaker 1: I was eighteen years old, and she was she had
Speaker 1: a platinum blonde uh. Like, um, it was like a
Speaker 1: cascade happening. It was like a short platinum blonde wig
Speaker 1: and she was. She glows in person. I believe it
Speaker 1: is crazy. I mean she was. I interviewed her. I
Speaker 1: was like for the n y U newspaper for a
Speaker 1: Secret Life of being, and so basically, um, it was.
Speaker 1: It was my first time ever interviewing a bunch of
Speaker 1: celebrities and like, um, it was like Gina Prince by
Speaker 1: one who directed the movie who I Love, I Love
Speaker 1: Love and Basketball. I really love all of her work
Speaker 1: and I was excited to see her, but was nervous
Speaker 1: to ask a question. Sophia Canado came in and she
Speaker 1: sat down and I was like, I'm gonna ask a
Speaker 1: question to Sophia Canado, like I'm gonna ask a question.
Speaker 1: And she had a role in the movie that like
Speaker 1: was was gonna get earned some Oscar buzz? We thought
Speaker 1: maybe um, and someone said something about the Oscars because
Speaker 1: you know, she had been nominated for Hotel Rwanda and
Speaker 1: they're like, she was getting some buzz. And I remember
Speaker 1: asking like I just jumped in there because they told
Speaker 1: they said like, if you have a question, jump in there, um,
Speaker 1: and I jumped in there. I was like, well, does
Speaker 1: it make you nervous to get Oscar buzz? Like do
Speaker 1: you think about it? And she was She looks at
Speaker 1: me in the eyes, and Sophio Canada was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I don't think about that at all. That that's in
Speaker 1: God's plan. That's in God's plan. And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh okay. And this woman across the table from me
Speaker 1: was like, now, did you want to resume the question
Speaker 1: that you were answering before he interrupted you? And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I'm mortified. I'm eighteen years old.
Speaker 1: I was trying to do my best. I respected her
Speaker 1: and I felt like I had like disrespected her and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, so I'm dispirited. So then
Speaker 1: Queen Latifa comes in, lifts the energy off off the
Speaker 1: ground into the stratosphere, superstar charm down. She comes in,
Speaker 1: sits down, and I'm not asking her a question because
Speaker 1: I'm just too I'm just having too much fun watching her.
Speaker 1: And I felt like a flop after Sophie. So we
Speaker 1: all have our opportunity to get our like press book
Speaker 1: signed by Queen Latifa at the end. And everyone I
Speaker 1: can tell is a fake fan because they're all going
Speaker 1: up to her and they're like, I loved you in Chicago.
Speaker 1: I loved you in Chicago. I loved you in Chicago,
Speaker 1: like all these press people that clearly did not know
Speaker 1: Latifa's work, did they, And she she literally was like
Speaker 1: thank you, thanks, thank you so much, thanks, because she
Speaker 1: just gets that all the time. You can tell these
Speaker 1: film people like only know Chicago. So I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna earn this woman's respect. So I went up
Speaker 1: to her and I gave her my book and I
Speaker 1: looked down and I said I loved you in Life Support,
Speaker 1: which was her HBO like AIDS TV movie. She looks
Speaker 1: up at me, she looks dead in her eyes. She
Speaker 1: wipes her platinum blonde hair out of her face and
Speaker 1: she goes, thank you so much, baby, and I said
Speaker 1: thank you, and we had a moment together and she
Speaker 1: signed that book and I left and it was like
Speaker 1: it was like that Sophio Carnado moment didn't even happen,
Speaker 1: and that was God's plan. That was God's plan that day. Reader,
Speaker 1: if you're not if you're not getting out of your chair,
Speaker 1: I don't think. If you're driving, if you're not getting
Speaker 1: out of your speed, that's beautiful. Tear to my eye,
Speaker 1: tear to my eye. Latifa made my day. I hope
Speaker 1: I made her. I'm sure this episode made my day.
Speaker 1: Hello so much Hello, so much fun. And to hear
Speaker 1: what probably is going to be ten million times even
Speaker 1: more fun. You got to listen to The War Report,
Speaker 1: which episodes every Thursday, and you need to have duh.
Speaker 1: It's like, how long has the podcast been going? About
Speaker 1: like five months or so. It's yeah, it's a baby,
Speaker 1: so it's a little Yeah. It's me and gas Store Almonte,
Speaker 1: who's a great storyteller, UM and he's a delightful um
Speaker 1: Brooklyn born uh, married father of two, like just tough
Speaker 1: guy and I am not um any of those things.
Speaker 1: And so it's just us, you know, talking crap about
Speaker 1: the news basically every week. And uh, it's a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. It's a lot of fun. Gosh, we're in.
Speaker 1: We're all in. And you gotta follow Chile on all
Speaker 1: platforms at Silky Jumbo, which come on. That's that's a handle,
Speaker 1: that's a handle and a half. That is that isn't
Speaker 1: that is memorable? Name? Yeah? Yeah, you know, I like lotion.
Speaker 1: I like eating and I like lotion. What can I say?
Speaker 1: What can I say? We're so happy we're here. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much. It's thrilled to do it. Thanks for
Speaker 1: having me. Oh my gosh, man, I close that every
Speaker 1: episode with the song I think I think I have
Speaker 1: one in mind. Here we go, well, the Cruel Cruels,
Speaker 1: the Cloudy Day Cloud, Sam's lack act and faally rest
Speaker 1: my head on something real. I don't like the way
Speaker 1: that feels. So this was sort of a megamix. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm really shocked that how that really spoke to so
Speaker 1: many parts of my soul lost culture, touching all of
Speaker 1: the soul, all the soul, the dark parts of yourself. Bye.
Speaker 1: Two