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Speaker 1: You're gonna be seen her everywhere. You're gonna be listening

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Speaker 1: to her each week on Thursdays when new episodes of

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Speaker 1: The War Report come out, because you're about to fall

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Speaker 1: in love. And that's just that. I don't make the

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Speaker 1: wish I could, but I don't. Here's who makes the rules? Sure?

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Speaker 1: Come on? Oh wow that was that was lovely? Well listen, Hi,

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Speaker 1: how are you feeling? How are you feeling? I'm feeling

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Speaker 1: all right? Yeah, you feel good? Yes? Can you? Can

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Speaker 1: you break this tie for us? Have you heard this

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Speaker 1: song Paradise by the Dashboard? Here's the thing. I have

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Speaker 1: heard it, not damn it, but I don't. It is

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Speaker 1: partially a it's a little it's a touch of a

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Speaker 1: got it? You know, you know Sweet Caroline. Of course

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Speaker 1: I know Sweet Caroline. Yeah, but I didn't. I didn't

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Speaker 1: I honestly didn't hear that until my late twenties. I

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Speaker 1: So this is the issue with the meat the meat

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Speaker 1: I guess my shock was that I was at a

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Speaker 1: mean that was it's definitely because they were too young

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Speaker 1: kind of picked up in campier circles, which is that

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Speaker 1: that Greta didn't heal it. But I just think I

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Speaker 1: feel like she still should have um, but yeah, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a man that the late seventies was a

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Speaker 1: campy time when we missed that. Yeah, it was a

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Speaker 1: This is the breakdown. I'm hearfect analysis. Yeah, that's what

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Speaker 1: That's what it is. But I can understand why it

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Speaker 1: because of drama club people, because of chorus people in

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Speaker 1: high school, and then because of karaoke. But then again,

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Speaker 1: I also was around a lot of white folks. That's

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Speaker 1: certainly I couldn't have turned to my parents and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: have you heard this? That was not that that The

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Speaker 1: Then Sweden? And the answer is decidedly question Unfortunately unfortunately

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Speaker 1: not remind us for you where you grew up again.

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Speaker 1: I grew up in Atlanta in Stone Mountain, right, mountain

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Speaker 1: rural not rural rural, No, it's not. No. It's about

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Speaker 1: the thing with Stone Mountain is it's a it's a

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Speaker 1: Um that's got Confederate Army heroes etched into the side.

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Speaker 1: It's a non rural Confederate hill. Yes. I mean like

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Speaker 1: people make trips there. And at the time that my

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Speaker 1: family moved there, the clan was still doing rallies on

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Speaker 1: the top of the mountain. But then they switched it

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Speaker 1: for a family friendly laser show and is and that's

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Speaker 1: actually the ideal replacement. That's the ideal replacement. Theory is

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Speaker 1: when it comes to white supremacies. Yeah, is that you

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Speaker 1: want to you want to go laser show, friend, make

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Speaker 1: it pretty towards you can close it out with Elvis

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Speaker 1: singing Dixie Um. Yes. And they would take a laser

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Speaker 1: and so they would take a laser and outline the car.

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Speaker 1: The monuments are still there. Yeah, oh yeah, they're carved

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Speaker 1: into the side of the mountain and they're still the mountains,

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Speaker 1: still there, and the lasers would like outline the three

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Speaker 1: I guess, and and then they you know, shoot fireworks

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Speaker 1: UM wants some black people moved in experience wild white flight,

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Speaker 1: and now the population of it is mostly black Asian,

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Speaker 1: and I think about to go through its own case

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Speaker 1: of gentrification, UM because it's the only place I think

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Speaker 1: they are, I know, and so I think, yes, as

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Speaker 1: housing becomes what it is, I think the gays are

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Speaker 1: can't believe I'm watching I want and then gentrification in

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Speaker 1: also keeping that in mind in case maybe I need

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Speaker 1: to grab a house down there or something. Well, they

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Speaker 1: probably heard about the light shows, and you know, gays

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Speaker 1: can do interesting things with light shows. Lasers just be

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Speaker 1: getting the only laser I want. Stone Mountain is the

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Speaker 1: one that's gonna destroy the statue. It's gonna cut through

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Speaker 1: the statues. But I mean, look, they've they've switched up

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Speaker 1: the laser show a little bit. They've added outcast and

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Speaker 1: the indigo you can't outcast and the indigo girls. They're like,

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Speaker 1: let's how do we widen the text exactly? Well, let's

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Speaker 1: say who's from here? That's coming from the lesbians too? Wow'

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Speaker 1: not even hiding it. What I love is the I

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Speaker 1: think the graphic for that is, um, a lesbian climbing

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Speaker 1: I can't it's so much it's song is it really is?

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Speaker 1: They're all good songs, but this is what you know.

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Speaker 1: What always bothers me is like when when someone's songs

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Speaker 1: do they know this is happening like like like whenever,

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Speaker 1: Very that's not what you meant for it. That's not

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Speaker 1: the life you wanted it to have. No. No, I

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Speaker 1: don't know why I misplaced Stone Mountain. Well. I think

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Speaker 1: it's because they named a thirty Rock episode Stone Mountain,

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Speaker 1: He is from Stone Mountain. He went to like, Uh,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know his Stone Mountain experience. Um, it was

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Speaker 1: when I heard him tell a story, I was like,

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Speaker 1: this month, I'm about that. That's my life he's talking about.

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Speaker 1: In mind, but I leave the chat by that feels

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Speaker 1: very alienated. But La, you and I have had very

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Speaker 1: um what I would consider and it's completely my fault.

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Speaker 1: I remember we've had I've had a conversation with you

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Speaker 1: about the the the layout of Atlanta, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: The thing is still counts. Yeah, when when you say

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Speaker 1: it's so spread out. It's a lot like l A.

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Speaker 1: vibe is, the vibes are similar. There are no borders. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm in I'm in Brooklyn. I thought, yeah, it's God.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like you were always like whenever we

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Speaker 1: does that. I don't think so, honey, because you were

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Speaker 1: And I feel like whenever I had to book a

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Speaker 1: fucking love you. You're so funny and I just feel

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Speaker 1: like you're the best, and you did we was was

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Speaker 1: Chalian on team matt Our team Bowen in the culture War.

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Speaker 1: I think she was on my team, right, I think so?

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Speaker 1: I think yeah that was blue Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I do. Yeah, that was it. We've been talking a

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Speaker 1: I I think the streets need that. The streets need that. Wait,

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Speaker 1: You're a cookie? No, we know that she's a cookie.

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Speaker 1: I do like cookie Monster. I It's tough because you know,

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Speaker 1: I like, um, I like snuff Snuffy that he can

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Speaker 1: and people are never really questioning appropriately what he is,

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Speaker 1: what what's happening? You know? He brings a little sister

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Speaker 1: But I, um, I there was. There's a book that's

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Speaker 1: I asked, what how did that switch happen where everyone

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Speaker 1: And the author explained to me that oh, around the

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Speaker 1: he's simply, he's simply, She's a big hairy elephant. Come on,

424
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: And my dad going like, Chilia, it's okay, yeah, if

425
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 1: this isn't real, what do you mean it's not real?

426
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: And he's like, okay, you have a very good point.

427
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: This is real to you. Yeah, are we ready to

428
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: call snuff Leophagus a wooly mammoth? Always sort of ready

429
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: to say that he's not tusked, he's a hairy elephant. Yeah,

430
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: he's just a hairy elephant. It's okay. Yeah, you don't

431
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: have to be categorized differently. Because you're a hairy elephant. Yeah.

432
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: Here's another thing. This is a very deep cut. If

433
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: there are any other Sesame street people out there, they

434
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: will know what. Okay. So there's a lot of talk

435
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: of Burton Ernie as a couple, right, I don't think

436
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: they are a couple. I'm actually I'm willing to believe

437
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: that they aren't. Everyone was very upset when when the

438
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: when they created was when I started. Yeah, I think

439
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: they're just friends and roommates. Like that's the vibe I

440
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: I get from them. Um, but there's uh there there

441
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: are a couple of construction guys named Biff and Sully

442
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: and good and I think there's a couple because one

443
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: of them speaks for both of them. And I'm like,

444
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: look at that trust. Look at that. Oh my god,

445
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: it's not conflict. It's not conflict based. No, No, it's

446
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 1: just you know, I forget which one talks like Biff

447
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: trust Sully to you know what I mean. And when

448
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: they don't agree, it just takes a look and then

449
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: the other one's like all right, I hear you, and

450
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: then they I really like, that's the couple. I think

451
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 1: that is that's really the couple we should be paying

452
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: attention to fascinating to think about. You think that it's

453
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: not that there's no gay represents station on Sesame Street. Now,

454
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: we're not popularly looking in the right place, right, And

455
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: it's actually queerer to for the for the for the

456
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: for the, for the queer representation to be sort of

457
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 1: tucked away, to be in its own pocket, right right, Um,

458
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: I think it's it's too obvious, it's what people want

459
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: because then they feel comfortable just loading it all on

460
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 1: Berton Ernie. It's got to be them, right, You're right,

461
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: because they're they're well dressed, they sort of you know

462
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: that they have the sort of very straightforward ones tall,

463
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: one small, that whole day. And also you're you're saying,

464
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: these two the Biff and Sully, these are construction workers. Yes,

465
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: I'm looking at them. They're they're in a mask job

466
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: and so therefore you know, no one's looking at them

467
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: like gay. Yes, they're looking at the wasps of the

468
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: class issue. It's a class it is, it is. But

469
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like if you really see how

470
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: they interact with each other and with others, you'll see

471
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 1: you'll see the love, You'll see where the how it's

472
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: how it's held together. This is the nuance that everybody needs.

473
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not even kidding. I'm not even kidding

474
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: because I'm looking at Biff and Sully and I immediately

475
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: a flashbacks. I've seen them together. It's a it is

476
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: a beautiful relationship. What, however you want to characterize it.

477
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: Biff is the chatty bottom, Sully is the cheer, is

478
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: the chill top. It actually is functional. It's it's it's

479
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: this is this is the analogy that Matt and I

480
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: have been loving lately that a lot of people have

481
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: been using in terms of, you know, couplehood, couple of

482
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: dumb flower gardener. One's the flower, one's the gardener. Oh

483
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: that's nice. You're not getting that with Burton Ernie. Maybe

484
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, Ernie's there, Ernie's the gardener and Burt's

485
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: the flower. But I don't think I don't think that applies. Yeah,

486
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: what I what I would say is that I don't

487
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: think that Burton and Ernie are a gay couple, but

488
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: I think they've jacked off together. That's what That's what

489
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: I'm willing to say is that I think it's gotten

490
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: to a especially during quarantine. I'm sure something went down

491
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: with Burton Ernie during quarantine, so willing to say maybe

492
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: they're not in a committed relationship, but I think things

493
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: that things have gotten to the point where we've explored it,

494
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: especially after they hear it's um talked about so much.

495
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: It's that thing of when it gets implanted in your

496
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: own head. It's like when people are like, well they

497
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: won't they about celebrities, and then they're like no, no, no,

498
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: But then it's like, you're gonna think about it. You

499
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: have to. I mean eventually, uh, you know David and

500
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: Maddie got together on Moonlighting, you know what I mean,

501
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: Like it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen.

502
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: I think this is such an I rall maybe, but

503
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: I think there's some movie pitch here where it's I've

504
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: always wanted to do something with with puppets, but like

505
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: to like like some fastimily of Burton Ernie in the

506
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: movie world are roommates. It's completely blatonic. Their whole lives decades,

507
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: they've been platonic. And then it's mixed in with the

508
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: real world. And then uh, they hear in the news

509
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: media that the creator says that they were meant to

510
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: be gay, but then the workshop says that they aren't.

511
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: So they're caught in between these two truths about themselves.

512
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: And then what do they do? And do they fall?

513
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: Do they fall in love? Do they not? How did

514
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: they truly feel? You know? Yeah? But when I think

515
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: that's good, I think it's really good. Should we all

516
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: do it? Should be I'm happy to drive, I'm happy

517
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: to have us all make it equally. I'm into it.

518
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: I really like that. Okay, that's good, the idea of

519
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: I'm having to think for themselves because they didn't have

520
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: to before because they were told by it, They're by

521
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: the person who made them and by the workshop what

522
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: to think because they didn't actually have brains, right, But

523
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: now can I just say, like, I don't I think

524
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: that because there was an understanding of its Hob that

525
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: you love Cookie, I don't want to take the opportunity

526
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: from you to talk about Cookie because I actually I

527
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: am on record on this podcast as Cookie being my

528
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: favorite character because I believe that Cookie is unapologetic about

529
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: what he wants. Absolutely, Cookie, you know exactly what he wants,

530
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: and he wants Cookie, And I think that that is important.

531
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: And I think it's about taking space. I think it's

532
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,479
Speaker 1: about urgency, and I think it's about it's about showing

533
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: up every day and knowing your purpose and I I

534
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: and I also think there's a little bit there about

535
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: you know, impulse control, because sometimes it gets a little

536
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: crazy when Cookie, when Cookie gets Cookie, when he doesn't

537
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: isn't allowed to have Cookie, you know what I mean,

538
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: Like it's crazy like Cookie, it's good at acknowledging it.

539
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: It's usually pretty good that just being like you gotta

540
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: you know how I am Cookie. Yeah, it's about emotional

541
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: m management, you know what I mean. And I actually

542
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: really admired that time when Cookie he was trying out veggies.

543
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: I remember that, Yes, he was trying out a lot.

544
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: He was trying out veggies and he was trying out

545
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: um rap and because he was rapping about vegetables, and

546
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: that was that was a lot to take in. Um,

547
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: that was a lot to take in. He was going

548
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: in a like a Rundy m C movie, which is

549
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: true understandable. I mean that's yeah, but um but yeah,

550
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: but you know, experimentation, right, That's what I'm saying. You

551
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: gotta do it. You have to keeping an open mind

552
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: for it, absolutely, but Cookie is also someone who has

553
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: really stood the test of time, really appeals to all

554
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: sectors in every way. Doesn't love Cookie. I kind of

555
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: I sometimes that it jars me a little bit, But

556
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm kind of into the confidence of Grover, the quiet

557
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: Grover confidence, like, yeah, he's very much whatever he's throwing

558
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: himhimself into. He's just like, I mean, I'm the cutest

559
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: monster here. Let's do this. He really is. He's the best.

560
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: He's the best looking monster to me. You know what's interesting,

561
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: I've taken it upon myself to google people were pulled

562
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: about who the favorite Sesame Street characters were, and I

563
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: have to tell you it's kind of a runaway. It's

564
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: let's just say this is like a small sampling, but

565
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: of a hundred people pulled, Cookie Monster was by far

566
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: number one. Followed right on his heels is Elmo, and

567
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: then Elmo was trailed by Big Bird, who's trailed by

568
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: Oscar the Grouch, who's trailed by Grover. And then it's

569
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: kind of like a collection of everyone else, but Cookie

570
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: really runs away with it, and followed by Elmo. That

571
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: definitely makes me feel good because Elmo. Elmo is a

572
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: struggle for me. Elmo is a real struggle to talk

573
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 1: about that. When he appeared, it was a sea change

574
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: for Sesame Street. I feel right, Um, he showed up

575
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: around the time that like, um, helicopter parents showed up,

576
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? And and a lot

577
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: of activities after school showing up and just a lot

578
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: of Elmos showing up, being like three or four and

579
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: speaking about himself in the third person bothered me. He

580
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: required a lot required, I mean, and he just he

581
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: came in. He just it was too much. He felt

582
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: a little selfish, and I'm like, all right, that's how

583
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: kids are. But then I remembered he's not gonna grow

584
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: out of it. None of them do. And but I

585
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: don't know what the lesson is to learn from that,

586
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: and it just I don't know. It's sometimes she and

587
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: he took over. He got Elmo's World in no time,

588
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's just really, you know,

589
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: industry jealousy on my part of just I want to

590
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: be able to come in and take over a quarter

591
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: of your show after, you know. It stuck out to

592
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: me as a child to growing up when Almo's World

593
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: first came around, I was like, who does this person?

594
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: Who does this monster think he is exactly child? And

595
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: I'm not to get show busy even further, but Elmo

596
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: constantly playing to camera and it's actually annoying, constantly checking

597
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: out with camera, like what should I do? It's like,

598
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: just do it. Don't look at don't look at that.

599
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: Don't you're spiking. You're spiking. You're looking at the camera.

600
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: Stop part of this. I'm a kid. I can't make

601
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: decisions for you. You have to make distance for yourself.

602
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm here to watch it unfolds. I'm not here to engage.

603
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna do what you want. You're gonna

604
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: do what you want, Elmo, and then if it's not

605
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: what you should have done, I guess it's a lesson,

606
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: all right. And also, don't forget I mean, let's not

607
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: forget one of the most lethal toys ever created. I

608
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: mean that did actually hurt kids. It was shaking and

609
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: and the kids were shaking with it, and also the

610
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: parents were fighting each other, so you know, I mean,

611
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: the violence came from on high all the way down.

612
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: Have you seen this first Have any of you seen

613
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: this firsthand? Like a child being so deeply pathologically obsessed

614
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: with Tickle Me Elmo, that if you took it away

615
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 1: from them, the parents would fight. The parents would actually

616
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: have a meltdown in front of in front of me.

617
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is

618
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: this is this is different, and actually Elmo is bringing

619
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: a cursed energy into the space. Yeah. Yeah, it's too much.

620
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: It's too much, too soon with Elmo. It's too much,

621
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,479
Speaker 1: too soon. And I don't I mean, I'm not saying

622
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna spiral, but you know, there are a lot

623
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: of young There are a lot of young muppets just

624
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: around the corner, you know what I mean. Coming up,

625
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna be show girls. Yeah, I mean as soon

626
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: as that No Me muppet comes rowing through, it's a wrap.

627
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: You're going down the stairs, baby, see you in physical therapy, Elmo.

628
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: This EP title of that is nom Me Malone Muppet,

629
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: Malone Muppet, that know me Malone Muppet. Honestly, when when

630
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: when that was out? When when the Tackle Me Elmo

631
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: was out? I remember it was on like it was

632
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: on like um like like local news. It was like

633
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: you won't believe the stampede, like eighteen injured and Tickle

634
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: Me Elmo like early release it was like and then

635
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: there was that culture when we were little of like

636
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: remember every Christmas there would be that one toy, that

637
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: one toy like it was if it wasn't tickled Me Elmo,

638
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: it was the Ferbi or it was like. And then

639
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: I remember when when there was like the video game

640
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: console wars, like when PS two came out. Now it's

641
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: like still happening. I guess I'm not as keyed into it,

642
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: but I remember like feeling like a responsibility as a

643
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: child almost to not ask for that toy because yes,

644
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: you don't want them out there in the street fighting. No, No,

645
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: I mean you you get that they love you, but

646
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: you know it doesn't have to come the fisticuffs. I

647
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: trust my mother with a lot of things. I don't

648
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: trust them to be throwing hands for toys. No, not

649
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: at all. When I was when I was a kid, Okay,

650
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, the big thing, um We're

651
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: adoption dolls h by Xavier roberts Um in Atlanta, and

652
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: they became he sold them and they became Cabbage Patch dolls.

653
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: So this was just before the Yeah, there's a whole

654
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: there's a hospital Babyland General in North Georgia where you

655
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: can go and watch cabbage patch dolls being born from

656
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: the cabbage patch. You can watch them being plucked from

657
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: a cabbage patch. The cabbage pat kids, real cabbage. They were, Yeah,

658
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: they came from a field and they're I mean like

659
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: there are people who were hired. They had on scrubs.

660
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: You could go and they'd hold up the doll and

661
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: then then you adopted one of those. Until I'm assuming

662
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: you told the pa endemic. This place was open and

663
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: open for business. And so the whole thing was that

664
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: you could get um Xavier Roberts, I guess he signed

665
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: the butt of every doll or whatever that was. And

666
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: and so that before they became cabbage patch dolls and

667
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: were made widely, they were like locally in Atlanta. And

668
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: when I say, these women were knocked down, drag out

669
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: every night, a body count every night on the news

670
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 1: for these adoption dolls. And my mother at the time

671
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: was just like, I didn't even want an adoption doll.

672
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: But she was like, well, I mean, my baby gets

673
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: adoption dolls. So she knew a woman who could make them. No,

674
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: she had she had homemade adoption dolls made for me

675
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: and my sister, which she named for us because you

676
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: have to fill out paperwork because they've been adopted, and

677
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: she name with our names and then had little baby

678
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: dolls made for those dolls, like it was a whole

679
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: she was giving us a whole family. And I was like,

680
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: I truly just wanted books, like I love you, but yeah,

681
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: I hope you didn't fight someone for this, and she's like, no, no,

682
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: I know a woman, you know, fight someone. I killed someone.

683
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: I took someone's life for this. This is a blood

684
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: had so so it made no difference to you whether

685
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: or not it was an authentic Xavier. It didn't. And

686
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: and actually that has served me well, um, because I'm

687
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 1: not big into name brands, and I think I admire that. Yeah,

688
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: so luckily um, And I think that it starts with

689
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: that adoption dog it does. I think it's it starts

690
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: with this toy culture where it's like you gotta get it,

691
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: you gotta get the hot new thing. And I think

692
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: that's like I've been like fully brainwormed by that long

693
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: and like it makes no sense. Yeah yeah, And also

694
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: for again something that's not that good, like tickle me Elmo,

695
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: it's like, you know what it's gonna do. It wasn't

696
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: like the Ferbie where it was like, you know this Ferbie,

697
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: could you kind of get it? With the tamagotchi to

698
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 1: the furbye, these things that were popular in the nineties

699
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: that like you were like, oh, well that's going to

700
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: develop a little bit of a personality. Is gonna be

701
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: a sense of responsibility. It's like you get that you

702
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: can engage with it. The tickle me Elmo, you tickle it,

703
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: it shakes, that's it. Yeah, Yeah, that's it. That's all it.

704
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: But you know he's he's a simple creature after all.

705
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: Like that basically, you know, he's just throwing anything. What

706
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: if I just laughed a little. Yeah, I imagine Elmo

707
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: with a cigar, like in a corporate room, coming up

708
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: with ideas on how to you know, get these kids money.

709
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: And well he's like he's meeting with HBO. Now he's like,

710
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: I want to funk on camera. He's like almost like

711
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: I want to fuck on camera, and I want to

712
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: show to I want to show to be raw and real. Yeah,

713
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: And they're like, I don't know. We were thinking was

714
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: maybe a show where like you go to the water park,

715
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: like you know, you feel sad because you drop an

716
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: ice cream cone. He's like, no, I want to fuck

717
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: and I wanted to be guys girls. He's like, I

718
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,959
Speaker 1: want to show everyone who the Elmo really is and like, okay,

719
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: maybe we'll circle back. I want to do key bumps

720
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: the real thing. He's like almost like have you heard

721
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: of the Case Special? The Case Special? Man? But what

722
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: what is Elmo? Like? Hi, like, what is what? What

723
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: is a tweaking Elmo? Do we want that? I want

724
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: that doll? Give me that doll. This is another show

725
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 1: we're in development on this podcast. There, we're truly pumping

726
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: out there reness. There is something generative about like Jim Henson,

727
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: anything Jim Henson. You're like, there are so many it

728
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 1: is so like like it inspires so many different things.

729
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: Is is that your relationship with Jim Henson? Are you

730
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: specifically no, I am, I'm I like Jim Henson stuff.

731
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm I definitely love the Muppet Show and things related

732
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: to that, you know, I mean because that was just

733
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: like weird vaudeville for children. Yeah, so amazing sketch. Yes,

734
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: So that's just a lot of like how I figure out.

735
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: That's how I figured out, like comic timing, and you know,

736
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I love uh you know literally waka

737
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: waka like as a child wa child. Yeah, like all

738
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: of that just the corny ist jokes. Well, there was

739
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: nothing funnier than when Miss Piggy would say when she

740
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: would say you were on the floor every every time,

741
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: name another legend. Miss Piggy was it before it? Okay,

742
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely and also really one of the most iconic divas,

743
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: like the diva's no do you have to time that

744
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: Miss Piggy Yeah, yeah, and fully accepting of like just

745
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: the various looks, the looks, I mean, you knew what

746
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: what what era we're talking about when she had like

747
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: the barber streisand perm um, you know that was lucky. Yeah.

748
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that woman would be in Bob

749
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: Mackie garments. It's wild. It's wild. Uh. This yeah, a

750
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: puppet things that we the general public would have to

751
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: like pay thousands of dollars to even look at in person.

752
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: Miss Piggy was draped in it. Yeah, swimming, her whole

753
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: vibe was a fainting couch, her whole it was. It

754
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: was Mariah before Mariah. Absolutely, the influence there is, Yeah,

755
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 1: there's something meaningful here. Yes, absolutely, but there's something meaningful

756
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: here where It's like if you were to like walk

757
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: Miss Piggy on the runway at a fashion show for

758
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: like Gucci or like Christian Cowen, like, it would not

759
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: be ironic. It would not be like Pappa. It'd be like,

760
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's miss Piggy. Yeah. Absolutely. Victoria Beckham

761
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: wouldn't crack a smile. She'd be like, I like the

762
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: hem on that if Miss Peggy was walking down she

763
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: was like, that's really interesting. We're going to get six

764
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: of those exactly you. I mean, you may get the

765
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 1: you know, with pas. She may see that she's thinking

766
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: about a smirk, and that's really and that's that's the

767
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: highest praise you can get, is the thought of the

768
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: maybe of a smirk. She's like, I like the humor

769
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: of having Miss Piggy on the runway, But most importantly,

770
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: I like the way she was wearing the clothes and

771
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: the clothes weren't wearing. Huh. That's really the vibe. It's

772
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: a very good accent from from you, from you, the

773
00:44:54,680 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: accent King sketch legend. Oh my god, said ration for

774
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: your consideration. Wait, we have to ask Sala because I

775
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: do think this is. I don't want to foist onto

776
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: you the Sesame stree because I'm sure this has happened.

777
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: This happens very often with people, as I'm sure they

778
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: like are begging you to talk about Sesame struck. They'reing

779
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: I that would be and I love it. I do

780
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: love it. I do love it. But we're gonna we're

781
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: gonna ask you, what is the culture that made you

782
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: say culture is for you? That made you say culture

783
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: is for me? The formative culture, pop culture, whether it

784
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: was music, books, film, television. It can be Sesame Streight. Again,

785
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: we can keep going down this path. It can be

786
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: other things. This is. This was a tough one. I

787
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: thought about this a lot because I knew it would

788
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: be I knew it would be a music video because

789
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 1: music videos are so important, right, So it was hard.

790
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: I I narrowed down the two music videos and I

791
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: didn't want to do obvious choices. I wanted to think

792
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: of ones that really did like hit me in some way. Yeah,

793
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: you got a zig when you're supposed to act right,

794
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: And so basically, there are two music videos and I

795
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: just revisited them to make sure I'm not going crazy

796
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: and I'm not they really did. They really do kind

797
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: of have a hold on me. Uh. The first one is,

798
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 1: uh for my aesthetic for aesthetic reasons, um the Cruel

799
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: Summer video by Banana Rama. The whole thing. I'm trying.

800
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: I've been trying to do that for so long, and

801
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: I'm I think I'm there. I think I'm there, But

802
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: it's you know, yeah, I mean, so are you? Are

803
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: you an overall's queen? I'm not an over I I'm

804
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: not yet an overall's queen. But the where the pants

805
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: fall like they're a short pant with a white sock

806
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: and like a sensible shoe, a sensible flat they're either

807
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: kind of pleaded, so they're kind of bagging. Just that

808
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: whole age, it's kind of you know, shirts are disheveled,

809
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: hair is a mess, but there's a red lip and

810
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: you're just constantly fussing with it. You cantention casual. Yes

811
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: you can't dance, but you can walk to the beat

812
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: down the street. That's me. That is me absolutely walking

813
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: to the BA down the street to the Brooklyn Bridge Park, right. Yes, yeah,

814
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: it's absolutely because I before that I was super into

815
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: like uh Cyndi Lauper and boy George and um David

816
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: Lee Roth from Van Halen, you know, all the classics,

817
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: all the camps camp. But I knew that those looks

818
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 1: weren't sustainable, right, you know. I had so much face washing,

819
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, like really the skin care of it all exactly.

820
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: But what they were doing, I was like, I can

821
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: do that's that's doable, and you can match you know,

822
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: you can throw some leg warmers in there. I'm big

823
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: on leg warmers, so um. So I definitely was just like,

824
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: this is my this is my look, well, this is

825
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 1: back this this whole athetic. In fact, the last week

826
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: I on the podcast during the recording, and it's because

827
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm fully re soaking back into this authetic

828
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: that you're discussing. And we'll we call this a drop crotch.

829
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: I guess where it's just how how low there I

830
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: mean in the in the images I'm looking at like

831
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: talking about the video. Oh yeah no, no, they're just

832
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: a baggy pleated pant. I think they're just baggy, but

833
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: they still sent you a little at the bottom. I don't,

834
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: it's just it's a whole thing. I showed it to

835
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: my uh. I showed like a clip of it to

836
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: my roommate earlier, and um, I was just like, I

837
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: think this video might be kind of why I am

838
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: what I am, and I just kind of sent him

839
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: a clip and the immediate was like, oh yeah, look

840
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: at where those pants ball. Like that's absolutely and he

841
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: knew his eye went to the pants yeah immediately. And

842
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: he's also like considerably younger than me, so he didn't

843
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 1: grow up with cruel summer. It was the first time

844
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: he was really seeing it and he was like, oh, yeah,

845
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: that's absolutely your essence. So I feel like I was

846
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: nailing that. We love. Yeah, it's so interesting to like

847
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: to think of baggy I just said baggy clothes are

848
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 1: back in, and then the baggy Queen herself this week,

849
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: Billie Eilish, was like, just kidding, I'm in lingerie now.

850
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: So again she's zigged when she's act No, she's doing

851
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: She's doing exactly what she's supposed to be doing. She's

852
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: she's nineteen. She's willing to let you see cleavage. I

853
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: mean I remember, and you know it's it's clockwork at

854
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: every free um white girl or anyone with any proximity

855
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: to white girls growing up, you have to make that decision.

856
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: Are you Betty Page, are you Marilyn Monroe. So so

857
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: she's she's making that decision, she's doing that. And then

858
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: as soon as you hit nineteen, not eighteen, um, because eighteen, yeah,

859
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: you know, well at eighteen, if you've been a baggy

860
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: person like your teen years, um, and you're you're you're

861
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: a woman, and you you're you've been wearing stuff over

862
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: your your chest was probably big and you don't want

863
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: anyone to see you. We're in big clothes. Um. At

864
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: nineteen is when you're like, no, I'm ready. I think

865
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm ready. So she's I mean, she's absolutely on track.

866
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: When I saw the cover of British Vogue, I was like, yep,

867
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: that's absolutely I flashed back to me in a cat

868
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: suit with a see through baby doll dress at nineteen,

869
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: when before I was dressing like you know yeah, and

870
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: probably saying and probably saying, I'll never dress like, never

871
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: look like that. Not what Billy had been said, so interesting,

872
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: and I will, I will say, just for the sake

873
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: of this point, not in like a gross way, like

874
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: big natural. She's got she's got big natural. Yeah, so

875
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 1: she's going to move awkwardly with them for for a

876
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: little while she I mean, she's just going to be

877
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: like I mean, I guess they're out now, I don't

878
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: know what to do. And she hasn't figured out she

879
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: she's got the look and that, you know, she's got

880
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: everything made for her, but she still doesn't know yet

881
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: what to do with her face, do you know what

882
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: I mean? So she's still so she's still kind of

883
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: like sullen youth while giving you bombshell from the neck down,

884
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 1: but sullen youth. And it's like, I'm like, man, once

885
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: you get all that together, that's going to unlock another

886
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: thing for you. I hope you will be ready for it.

887
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: But I see you fumbling with the keys right now.

888
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: I see it, perfect see you, And I can't even

889
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: like I know what's going to happen. They're going to

890
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: be a good Jillian thing. Pieces about is she even

891
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: ready to do this? And blah blah blah, And I'm like,

892
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: didn't we already go through this like we do almost

893
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: every When are we going to understand that? When? Uh?

894
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: When when a girl hits like nineteen twenty and she

895
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: starts to do these things, it's not an acting out

896
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: like it's it's part of the journey development. It's part

897
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: of the development. This is all. This is absolutely how

898
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: this should go, and we should treat it with grace

899
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: and not like shock, like oh my god, how dare

900
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: she put on a tight T shirt? No, this is

901
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: what this is what we're supposed to be doing. Yeah. Yeah.

902
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: And also I don't like the way people are treating

903
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 1: her now where it's like, oh, she said she never

904
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: do this, she's selling out, Like now what what is

905
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: what is the message? It's like, you know what, like

906
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: shut up? Please? Also let women dress however they want.

907
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: How about how did we not see this coming? She

908
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: had the nails on for two years. She's been telling

909
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: us all those T shirts were expensive st shirts. Yeah, yeah,

910
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: she was gonna show up in a course. Come on,

911
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: she's wearing like the Gucci and the off white and everything,

912
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: like she knows fast. She understands fashion absolutely, She's it's

913
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: not that she doesn't know what she's doing. It's that

914
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: she's moving into this new sartorial thing edit where now

915
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: she's like unveiling something that we have not seen it

916
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: for yet. And I think it's very exciting. But I

917
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: think the blonde bomb show look but still like the

918
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: sullen face is actually an intentional sort of choice choice

919
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: that she's mixed. And it's like, oh, because it is.

920
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: Because Matt and I were at Universal Studios last week

921
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: when she came out with like, you know, the album

922
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: and the trailer for for the single and all that,

923
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: and we were like, wow, this is kind of something

924
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: we have seen but haven't before. And then the British

925
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: road cover, I was just like, oh my god, like

926
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: this is this is very calculated. I don't mean that

927
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: in the pejorative. I mean it's very thought out. Yeah,

928
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: she's that finitely moving with intention with it. And I

929
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: was watching um where she answers questions for Vogue and

930
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 1: so she's still she's sitting on a couch. It's perfect everything,

931
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: and then they show like a celebrity asking her a

932
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: question and then her face so alive and animated, and

933
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: it's just like, I mean, that's in there. That's in

934
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: there too. And so I mean when she gets to

935
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 1: Screwball comedy Dame, you know what I mean, when she's

936
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: a superstar, she's got I think she's capable of a lot,

937
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: and she also has I think that she has such

938
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: a gravity and she's always had such a gravity since

939
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: the beginning that I think, um that that was. I

940
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: think why when when when we saw the photo of

941
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: what her new aesthetic was for this album cycle, we

942
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: actually laughed because we thought, oh, this is so smart,

943
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: like the way that she was like now blonde, and

944
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: she turned to camera, looked dead in the to the

945
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: camera and was like basically saying fuck you with her eyes.

946
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: Like I kind of thought, oh, maybe is this a

947
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: comment like I don't actually want to be in this,

948
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: but I am. I think we need to hear more

949
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,919
Speaker 1: of the album to find out if there's if there's

950
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: actually something going on. It could be anything. I I

951
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: still think the jury is out on what is being said.

952
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: I think that. Um the they had just that very

953
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: short audio of the title track of the album, Happier

954
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: Than Ever, where it's like when you're when I'm not

955
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 1: with you or something, I'm happier than Ever, and it's

956
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: very like it's very lynch Ian. It's very Lynchian, that

957
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: perfect very and so I was immediately just like, what

958
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 1: I need to hear the rest of that song because

959
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: that's a banger I can tell already. Um, So like

960
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: I hope that's where I mean if she wants to

961
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: do torch songs, she could go that way, she could

962
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: go full on pop up. Uh, she can keep murmuring

963
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: into a mic whichever one she wants to do, and

964
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: it'll all still makes sense. But I mean, I'm I

965
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: can't wait to see what what is next. But it

966
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: also is just like, yep, we're right on schedule. We're

967
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: trucking along. Let's see, you know, let's not try to

968
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: derail or with thoughts of like how could she? Of

969
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: course she could we all do. This is happening in

970
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: every neighborhood, every neighborhood, there is some nineteen year old

971
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: who's just like, I'm gonna get the longer acrylics, do

972
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm going I'm gonna I'm gonna branch

973
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: out in some way. I'm gonna wear a crop top.

974
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: It's happening to all women of all sizes too. So

975
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: I don't think that it's not everybody is doing something

976
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: where they're just they they're trying to switch it up

977
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: because it is a time of extreme change, you know,

978
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 1: until the Saturn returns or whatever. But yeah, but you're

979
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: coming about her face too, like it's all they're like,

980
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: you're surting. This is such a weird thing to reference,

981
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: but there she loves the office, as we know. There's

982
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: a video of Rain Wilson like meeting her and she

983
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: is so genuinely excited and delighted in surprise that you're like, oh,

984
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: so like that's like the essence of her in some

985
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: way where she's just like actually like a very animated

986
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: person and she's funny and she's she's got jokes and

987
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: she's she just does her bits and you're like, okay,

988
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: so this is like a very manicured facade. Yeah, and

989
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: it's gene and it's genius. Yeah. Yeah, I watched that

990
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: documentary that was on I still have it. It's it's

991
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: pretty good. It's pretty good. There's a scene where she

992
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: meets Justin Bieber and the way that she plays it

993
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: was very touching. It was very touching. It was hilarious

994
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: but also very touching. Um, but also like what do

995
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: you do in that? What do you do in that regard?

996
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: Like when you meet someone huge, you know, you just

997
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: however you want to act and you try to play

998
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: it cool, but then you can't anymore or you know,

999
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: so lose all faculty, And how do you if you know,

1000
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: you're losing all faculty on the inside. How is that

1001
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: being as how do you pull it together? And then

1002
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: how do you just let it go? And you see

1003
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: her do both of those things. So it's really um.

1004
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: That part was like maybe my favorite part, just like

1005
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: seeing someone trying to keep it together and then also

1006
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: losing it and like just you know, that is the

1007
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: dichotomy though, isn't it? Though? Because something I watched a

1008
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: little bit of it, and I not because I didn't

1009
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: like it, just because I only got to see a

1010
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: little bit of it. But I thought one thing, the

1011
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: number one thing I got from it was she's a kid.

1012
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: Like she she's she's young, and I think that there

1013
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: is like a lot of there is a lot of

1014
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: depth there and a lot of gravity there and a

1015
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: lot of genius there, you might even say. But she

1016
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: also like her personality is she is a kid or

1017
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: she was a kid when this was filmed. Then, so

1018
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: that to me was not it's it's almost weird to

1019
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: say that was the most surprising revelation revelation from it

1020
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: because she is young, like literally on paper, she's a

1021
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: she's a young person um, but she has a kid

1022
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: youthful vibe and I thought that really read that really

1023
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: came through. I want to know what what was the

1024
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: second music video that you second music video is um

1025
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: self Control by Laura Branigan. Okay I'm not familiar. You

1026
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: might have to educate, Okay, so um, Laura Brannigan had

1027
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: a big hit song in the eighties called Gloria and yeah,

1028
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: I think yeah that one, and then her follow up

1029
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: was a song called self Control, which I think was

1030
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: like a a cover of like an Italian pop song,

1031
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: I believe. But but the uh, you know, and it's

1032
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: just about it's just your basic song about a dude

1033
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: who makes you kind of lose your control when he's

1034
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: around and all that stuff. But it's also about you know,

1035
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: being out at night and uh mystery and this guy

1036
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: and you just can't control yourself when you see him.

1037
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: So the video is kind of along those lines as well.

1038
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: And it's literally what I thought being an adult would

1039
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: be like. So it's just you get dressed up and

1040
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: you're off the shoulder sweater dress, and you you walk

1041
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: the streets of New York which are clearly inside and um,

1042
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: and you encounter a guy with a full mask on

1043
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: a jabberwocky mask and um, and you you then follow

1044
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: him to an underground uh like orgy of some sort

1045
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: and everybody's in unitards, which I also thought would play

1046
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: a very big part in my life. I thought dance

1047
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: craving was going to be the reason for the sea,

1048
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: that's what all adults were doing. And um, and you know,

1049
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: you end up hooking up with this man of mystery

1050
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: and uh, it's just very seemy and you end up

1051
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,919
Speaker 1: and I guess maybe a New York apartment with lots

1052
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: of dropcloths everywhere. Um, and then uh, the guy has

1053
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: his way with you and uh and then he disappears

1054
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: into the night, and you just think fondly of it,

1055
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: and then you do it all over again. And I

1056
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: thought that's what being an adult was like, and then

1057
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: I really forgot about it. And then I spent a

1058
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: lot of my twenties and thirties doing just that, like

1059
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: like dressing up and going out dancing many times a week.

1060
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: And then you know, it's just like in underground clubs

1061
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,439
Speaker 1: and just like, yeah, we're doing it. We're adults, let's

1062
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: you know, and it's it's a wild video. It's my

1063
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: eighties that you know, what I mean, just I really

1064
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: thought that's what and it had such an effect on me. Well,

1065
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: I was just like, yeah, this is absolutely what being

1066
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: an adult is. Like, I have a couple of questions.

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01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: These are incredible ends and these are incredibly answers to

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01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: the question, by the way, But um, okay, So when

1069
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: so in your twenties when you were going out, was

1070
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: there some background context to what you were doing where

1071
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: you were like, I am doing this and it's fulfilling

1072
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: this desire in this fantasy that I've had since I

1073
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: was a child, where I would I'm doing self control

1074
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: or or is it was that later the realization came,

1075
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: the realization it was implanted, but it was not conscious

1076
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: Scott Child, Yes exactly. Because I started going out, like

1077
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: while I was still in high school. I would go,

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01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, out the clubs where you you're supposed to

1079
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: be this age and you're under that age, but you

1080
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: look cool. You know how it is, you're wearing all

1081
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: of the black necessary. Yeah, come on in, come on in,

1082
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:52,479
Speaker 1: you're fine, and um, so I definitely brings and so right, yeah,

1083
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: you know what's up? Um, And that's tough because when

1084
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: I was going out like as a teenager, a very

1085
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: strict uh cool person. Dress code were black and white

1086
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: striped stockings, real white. Yeah, that was that. That was tough,

1087
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: but it was necessary, preferably thig highs if you had him,

1088
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was a tough hey man,

1089
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: it was a tough time. We all thought we were sushy.

1090
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: We know, we were susy and or base she's you

1091
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean. We all were here, we all

1092
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: were depeche mode. We knew nothing and um, but yeah,

1093
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: so I just continue to do that, and at some

1094
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: point I just remember seeing like people writhing around on

1095
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: the floor, like I'm standing up against the wall and

1096
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: I'm watching people dance in the club, and I'm like, wow,

1097
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: I've been doing this a long time, want you know,

1098
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: out here dancing and also watching people dance. This is

1099
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: kind of wild that this has been my life, that

1100
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: I really look forward to this, like I yeah, and

1101
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: then it is it is nice. It is nice. It

1102
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: is nice, and I miss it and I'm um, I do,

1103
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: and I I would like to get back to it.

1104
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: But I moved to New York from Atlanta and I

1105
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: never even I just came here and immediately started doing

1106
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: comedy like the reason you moved was comedy, So do that.

1107
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: And then I was starting to get to a point

1108
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: where I was like, I should try to see where

1109
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: people go and you know, not their heads to hip

1110
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: hop or something. And then you know, the whole the

1111
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: whole place shut down. I was like, Okay, sorry I

1112
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: had that thought. I'm sorry, everybody, I'm sorry. I know

1113
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: it's all back a fun summer. It might go to

1114
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: an outdoor lot or something. You know, there's there there,

1115
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: there are safe ways to do, you can find. It's

1116
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: out there. It's out there. Um My second question, really,

1117
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: and I think you can answer this very quickly, for

1118
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,919
Speaker 1: both Cruel Summer and Self Control, did the music really

1119
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: matter or was it just purely about the storytelling and

1120
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: the aesthetics of the of the videos? Both of them

1121
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: are both of them are bangers. But I think for

1122
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: Cruel Summer it was the aesthetic and um, self Control

1123
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: it was both because Self Control is a banger. It

1124
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: really goes, it does. So I will say the aesthetic

1125
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: from Self Control that I actually think is still a

1126
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: look but I know no one is doing it isn't

1127
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: off the shoulder sweater. I think that is glam. That

1128
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: is something from like the eighties, I guess early nineties

1129
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: that I I actually think is is stunning. Is just

1130
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: a one shoulder moment and like a sort of what

1131
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 1: would you call this, like an exaggerated turtleneck, you know

1132
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 1: what I mean, where it's like folded down, you know

1133
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, I think the exposed shoulder, one

1134
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 1: one exposed shoulder. I am about it. I'm about that.

1135
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: I think I think it is still like a slightly

1136
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: classy thing to do. I'm like, it's it's like retro.

1137
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 1: But I don't want them to say that timeless. It's timeless, okay,

1138
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: Just it relies like just an ease with all surroundings.

1139
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: Like I'm so chill at this, you know, at this party,

1140
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: at this wedding. Most Confident Award. Yeah I I can

1141
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: just I'll just show you a shoulder and it means nothing.

1142
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: You know, this is place or this is like complete

1143
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: glitter it, none of it. It doesn't matter. Yeah, I'm

1144
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: so chill. And it's classical culture. It's classical culture, you

1145
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Hey, honestly, it is. It is that.

1146
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: And I used to you know, I used to always

1147
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: like be because I don't know maybe this is like

1148
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: a you have a good you have you we I

1149
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: think we all have good classicals in this room, but

1150
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: I do not like that I had a pronounced clasical.

1151
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: And then like when I got into my twenties, and

1152
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: like we wouldever whenever, we would do like like whatever

1153
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: bone and I what I would do a drag thing

1154
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: like what happened every now and now like remember night Soap,

1155
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: we wore those like we were wearing those. We were

1156
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: wealthy women in the eighties. Yes, And so it was

1157
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 1: dynasty with the reference. And so I was looking at

1158
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: my classical and I was like, oh my god, this

1159
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 1: is the this is the Carrington Colby clavical. This is

1160
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: exactly this is serious. This is a period clasical. This

1161
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: is exactly right. And now I can move on with

1162
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 1: my life. It's so languid. It's just you know, like

1163
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: every you're that close to just melting everywhere. It's just beautiful.

1164
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: It's so graceful to me for the reference. This is

1165
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: a reference that Matt will appreciate. It's wildest dreams. It's

1166
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: wild thank you, okay, it's a it's a Taylor Swift song.

1167
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: It's it's our shared Okay, alright, understand, But it's also

1168
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: a language. It's a languid song. Yeah, it is a language,

1169
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: but it's it's I think one of the most active

1170
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: langue with songs, certainly in the Taylor Swift canon, maybe

1171
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: in the pop music canon, as in the Last Yea. Yeah,

1172
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: that's kind to be languid and also active and intentional.

1173
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: That's hard. It's a tough line to walk, it is.

1174
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: There's I don't know. I feel like we're losing some

1175
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:22,839
Speaker 1: of linguidity. I don't know, or we're calling it vibes.

1176
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. So where do you stand on like

1177
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: the vibe music versus like like like music that hits

1178
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: where where? What's what's your deal? Here's I like a bridge?

1179
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't mind if we brought back a bridge

1180
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: or two, you know what I mean. I think I

1181
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind if there was more. There are some people,

1182
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: like some vocalists, where I'm just like, oh, wow, you

1183
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 1: sound great. I'm gonna listen to what you've got, And

1184
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 1: then I'm like, I did a song end like bridge. Yeah,

1185
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: there's nothing that's really kind of you know, we're putting

1186
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 1: a lot, We're putting a on the vocalist to come

1187
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 1: up with the melody, and maybe that's not necessarily their thing,

1188
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,440
Speaker 1: and we need to bring in someone who can stare

1189
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like sometimes it's it's just

1190
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: not I need a little structure. I need something to

1191
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: react against. And a bridge is a great way to

1192
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 1: like really rile up emotion. Absolutely, I mean so you

1193
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: would actually love to do you like Tyler? You know what,

1194
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 1: I've never really messed with her. You try messing with her, understand,

1195
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 1: because she is a bridge queen, all right. You can

1196
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: tell she loves you, can tell she loves writing them,

1197
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 1: and she's even said, you know, she's like, I love writing.

1198
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:44,759
Speaker 1: She's a bridge first, bridge forward artists. She loves safe

1199
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: for me to move in with her lowercase album can

1200
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,560
Speaker 1: I Can I move in with lowercase records? Or the

1201
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: lowercase records are actually ones where she's being experiment more

1202
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: experimental structure. She's doing what a lot of the new

1203
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: the New girls are doing, the new kids are doing

1204
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: where they're array sing the bridges altogether, or the songs

1205
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 1: are very loose and ambient. Okay, that's great pop music.

1206
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 1: It throws back to the late eighties, early nineties and

1207
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: it's very that Phil Collins thing, but she does big bridges.

1208
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 1: It's like epic bridges and that. And I would also

1209
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 1: say reputation, a reputation to reputation goes hard a lot

1210
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,600
Speaker 1: of great bridges and great bridges. But the thing I

1211
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,879
Speaker 1: think nowadays is because the songs perform better on Spotify

1212
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,759
Speaker 1: when they're short, they cut, the bridges have gone away

1213
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 1: in popular music today right now, their bridges are absent

1214
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 1: because they like a lot of tracks and short songs,

1215
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: and that's what gets so that it streams better, so

1216
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:46,759
Speaker 1: that there's more so that there's just more better streaming numbers.

1217
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 1: That's a shame, because I really do like a bridge,

1218
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's just there's there's such

1219
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 1: a power in you know, even if you're not doing

1220
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: a modulation, just at least give me a little bit

1221
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: of a switch, you know what I mean. It's yeah,

1222
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: they're fun. There's so much fun to sing in the shower,

1223
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: whether or not I can hit it, like um oh

1224
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: the bridge to Pieces of Me by Ashley come on,

1225
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: waitst second, come on, and you did not just go

1226
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: there come through with that? That is a beautiful I

1227
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 1: love that. So yeah, how do you know everything I'm

1228
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 1: about to say, am I obvious? And if it's written

1229
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 1: on my face? Great? Ye? And then she gives you

1230
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: the chorus into the bigger chorus. It's that kind of

1231
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 1: pop song where it's like not really designed to be

1232
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 1: performed live, it's kind of be meant to be performed

1233
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 1: live so everyone around you can sing it with you.

1234
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 1: It's that thing of relatable queen hashtag can't really sing

1235
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 1: the halftag made of hooks. Um ye. Yeah, she just

1236
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: needed to nail it like that one time, and they're like,

1237
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: we will fix it in post and then because I

1238
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 1: hold to hold the mic out from this point on,

1239
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: the audience will get it. She may not have even

1240
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 1: made it through the whole yeah, and also noticed she's

1241
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 1: not it's not there's no vibrato one yeah, it's she's

1242
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: just hitting a screaming so every it's so everyone in

1243
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: the audience who's a thirteen year old f A G

1244
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 1: G O T and their girlfriends twice live one pre

1245
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: SNL funk up one post I hung with her, screaming

1246
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 1: it along while their eventual prompt is on their back.

1247
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 1: The girl that you are on the track team with

1248
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 1: shout out to Jessica to me, but yeah, that's the

1249
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: real truths. Yeah, yeah, that's a that's a great bridge though.

1250
01:12:55,720 --> 01:13:00,799
Speaker 1: Whoever was John Shanks and Kara dio Guardy were the writers? Really? Okay?

1251
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah that's culture. When she when Karen Diaguardy

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01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 1: was hired as an American idol judge, I knew her

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01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 1: from writing that song so funny. She was featured in

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01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 1: the Ashley Simpson Show, right, okay, I do remember that. Yeah,

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01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 1: that was also. I was surprised at how much I

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01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: enjoyed that, although I thought it was I thought it

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01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 1: was odd that like, um, I was just like, well,

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Speaker 1: I understand that you're old girls sister, um, but I'm

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01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: not sure the girl sister culture. It's a real culture.

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Speaker 1: Number thirty nine, Ashley Simpsons. I understand girl dot dot dot,

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Speaker 1: but I just I was like, it's very baldsy of

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01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 1: you to assume that we care enough that when you

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01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: die your hair black that we're already do you know

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01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 1: what I mean? We didn't know what led to yeah,

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01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,680
Speaker 1: the black hair incident. She's just like, I've dyed my

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Speaker 1: hair black, so you know that means you gotta take

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01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: me seriously. And I was like I mean, I guess,

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01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 1: but this is like episode two. Yeah, I'm a rocker. Yeah,

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01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: so I alright, fine, wrist wrist band, whatever whatever it

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01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 1: is we're doing. I guess that's all right. Sure, But

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01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 1: but then you know she belted out that song, which

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01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 1: is the only way to sing it. The ods we

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01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:26,600
Speaker 1: camp be time too, but not in a way that

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01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 1: was slanted towards like you know, uh like Iraq Bush

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01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 1: era politics. The Iraq War was camp. That's a phone

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01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: sing Iraq was camp. Honestly, though, you could never have

1277
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:46,719
Speaker 1: told anyone during the odds doing that that they were camp,

1278
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: like honestly, like looking back at seeing like the way

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01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: Parris and Nicole are dressed in a simple life like

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01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 1: it's so insane, but but you couldn't tell anyone they

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01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 1: weren't the coolest chicst people in the world, right right,

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01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:04,919
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was so it was just so everywhere.

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01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 1: That was a very rough time for clothing. Yeah, well

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01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 1: with the low rise that was I mean, I was

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01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,759
Speaker 1: that was tough, and I was like, uh, like early

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01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 1: thirties and I was like I don't know what to

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01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 1: do here, like like that that that that possibility is

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01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 1: slipping away from me, I don't what what why it was.

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01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 1: It was really hard. It was very always like I guess,

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01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: oh so I'm just maybe I'm homebound. Maybe I just

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01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 1: maybe that's it. I guess we we just we we

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01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 1: and pizzas, we make Bootleg mcgory sours at the house.

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01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 1: We watched the o C. Right, yeah, these are bound

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01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:50,560
Speaker 1: you know that the kind of thing it's which is

1295
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: every these are bound to come up. Ye bound. This

1296
01:15:55,479 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 1: can't be forever truly the word you saying, going like

1297
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,560
Speaker 1: like this generation even like gen Z now trying to

1298
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 1: do a middle part like that doesn't mean we should

1299
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 1: be trying to do a middle part. Let them Oh

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01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah yeah, right yeah. I think it's fine

1301
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 1: to like it's like what was saying. It's like I

1302
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 1: had the same reaction even as a kid growing up

1303
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:26,560
Speaker 1: in that time, being like how do I fit into this?

1304
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 1: Don't because I'm not I'm not a Hollister kid, I'm

1305
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: not from I'm not a surfer, I'm not like what

1306
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 1: am I What aesthetic am I trying to go for?

1307
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: I think it's fine to look from afar what's going

1308
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: on like fashion wise and be like I don't I

1309
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 1: don't have to do that. Yeah, I think I think

1310
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,799
Speaker 1: it's like an understanding of something as being commercially popular

1311
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 1: and that that literally just means it's for quote unquote, um,

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01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: it's pretty much for like whatever, like mainstream like at

1313
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 1: that time, especially like a white audience, that was like

1314
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: watching Laguna Beach and being like, how do I be

1315
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 1: exactly at and nothing else? And that was what youth

1316
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: culture was at the time. And now now I think

1317
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it doesn't seem so monolithic because

1318
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 1: there's not only one culture being shown back to A. Yeah,

1319
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 1: that's a that's a huge hope. That is that is

1320
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 1: a huge hope when it it comes time to go

1321
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 1: shopping for sure. Oh man, you know, I couldn't even

1322
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: watch Laguna Beach because they were all blonde. I couldn't

1323
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: tell them apart. And I was like, I don't know

1324
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 1: what this is, some sort of blonde blindness. I couldn't.

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01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 1: It took them adding Adrina to the yeah, and I

1326
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, now I get it. That one's that

1327
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 1: one and this one works there. I literally needed a

1328
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 1: brunette in the mix or else. I was just like,

1329
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 1: I guess I'm not watching this show either. But right yea,

1330
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:53,600
Speaker 1: and the Hills even it was hard between Whitney and

1331
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: Hide and and and and Lauren. It was then I

1332
01:17:56,360 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: had to like learn their personalities. Yeah, well or and

1333
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: I think war Eyeliner and I think that was like

1334
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 1: her thing. And Kristen Cavalry had like a bang like

1335
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: that that horrible. Um again, this is the early last

1336
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 1: they had that all the white girls had that one

1337
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 1: big bang that's swooped to the side. Remember that it

1338
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 1: was like an up to and like a one big

1339
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 1: huge bang to the side, really bad, like an overgrown bang.

1340
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 1: Good stuff, comedy, good stuff. Um Okay, so we think

1341
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: we are getting to the time. I don't think so, honey,

1342
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: a k A. The the sort of high point of

1343
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 1: every episode of Lost Culture where we take one minute

1344
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 1: exactly to rant and rave against something in culture that

1345
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 1: you know what, it needs to be discussed. If it's

1346
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 1: a negative light, maybe it'll be an illuminating light. It'll

1347
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 1: definitely make you think. It'll probably be negative. I mean,

1348
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 1: I don't have a good thing to say about mine. Hey, guys,

1349
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 1: about to spoil what's happened thus far in the second

1350
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 1: season of The Circle. You might want to skip like

1351
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: five minutes and then you're probably gonna be okay, But

1352
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 1: sorry about that. I just had to say what I

1353
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 1: thought about the Circle Okay, so skip now, great, this

1354
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 1: is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. And as

1355
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 1: time starts now, I don't think so honey. The rules

1356
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 1: of the show, The Circle Girl, the rules be changing

1357
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:31,759
Speaker 1: every single episode. Why are the flops that were voted

1358
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 1: out Jack playing Emily and Lisa playing Lance bass so badly?

1359
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 1: Why are they still eligible to win? They were blocked?

1360
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 1: And then you had Cat and Mitchell blocked. Ok the

1361
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 1: I Candy is g O and E and yet they're gone,

1362
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 1: Like come on. Also, I don't think so, honey, that

1363
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 1: the gays are the villains this season. As River and Courtney,

1364
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I cannot be rooting for you because you

1365
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: guys were the reason why my queen Tyre Alicia is

1366
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: not there anymore and Tera Alicia did not get the credit.

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01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 1: If you want to know who's singing on right now,

1368
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: it is de Lisa all the way, and I know

1369
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 1: my back Trevor Delisa Trevor all the way. And if

1370
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 1: they have some fuckory go down that fux her over,

1371
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be pissed because I don't think so, honey.

1372
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: I don't trust the rules. Let the rules be simple,

1373
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 1: no twist. I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute.

1374
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 1: We're we will bring on michelleby to herself to and

1375
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:29,600
Speaker 1: I will have to. Netflix is making me drag the

1376
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 1: show that our friend hosts, and I don't like doing it.

1377
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:35,799
Speaker 1: But all I'm saying is, if you're blocked, you're blocked.

1378
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 1: I don't like any reality show that brings back eliminated

1379
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: people and then just they're back. They don't even earn it.

1380
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 1: They didn't even earn it. Lisa had the goal to

1381
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 1: be like, I'm playing as Lance Bass and when they

1382
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 1: asked for her reasoning why Lance Bass was playing, and

1383
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 1: she said to do an in synct reunion tour, which

1384
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 1: was the worst answer she could have ever done. Jack

1385
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 1: fucked up because his makeup was terrible. That mannequin. Why

1386
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 1: are they both still in? Why are they still in? Not?

1387
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:13,600
Speaker 1: But I will I think I think this season finales

1388
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. Perfect um. But I binged. I I'm not.

1389
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: I'm not a binge person. I did the whole thing

1390
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 1: in five days. I was like, this is a phenomenal. Yeah,

1391
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 1: I absolutely will maybe maybe maybe I'll record a little

1392
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 1: thing at the Miate is a spoiler alert for everyone

1393
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 1: that hasn't been watching. But to me, it's just like,

1394
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 1: sometimes I get so frustrated because it's it's you see

1395
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 1: who is playing the best game, and then they throw

1396
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 1: a twist in there, like Courtney being the joker. What

1397
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 1: the fun was that Terrelesha was playing the best game?

1398
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 1: Deleasa is playing the best game right now? Courtney and

1399
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 1: Lee are just like, okay, so so there's a catfish.

1400
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:55,759
Speaker 1: There's like a guy in his fifties maybe early sixties

1401
01:21:55,800 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 1: will say gay guy who's playing like a gay hit

1402
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 1: guy like guy, But Matt, I don't think he's cat

1403
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 1: fishing him. Not well, he's not. He's like getting like

1404
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 1: he's getting like phrases around like youth. He's literally flying

1405
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 1: under the rail ways that are insane. I'm like, I'm sorry,

1406
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 1: but if I, if I were to really think about,

1407
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:21,640
Speaker 1: if everyone just slows down for a second, it's obvious

1408
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:24,600
Speaker 1: that Lee as River is a catfish. And to be

1409
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 1: honest with you, sometimes Delisa slips up as well, because

1410
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: she does get a little she gets a little feminine

1411
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 1: with the way she talks as Trevor just to touch.

1412
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 1: She gets away with it because she gets away with

1413
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: because she's like, I'm a dad, I'm a dad. I'm

1414
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:42,680
Speaker 1: a dad, like like yes, and also it's you know,

1415
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 1: you know, I think Terlely she might have sucked up

1416
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 1: a little bit too in the pictures she decided to

1417
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,679
Speaker 1: show of herself in the second round because very filtered

1418
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 1: pictures that made her looking a little bit like a catfish.

1419
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 1: And I was just like, it's so interesting when people

1420
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 1: decide to play as themselves and they seem like catfishes.

1421
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,759
Speaker 1: That is a interesting comment on how people view themselves

1422
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 1: on social There's between your self perception and your Yeah,

1423
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:08,600
Speaker 1: before we go to yours bow and I want to

1424
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,680
Speaker 1: know if you went on their well, you I think

1425
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 1: would have to play as someone else. You could not

1426
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 1: play as bone Yang, not necessarily. I could play as

1427
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:18,680
Speaker 1: myself and just be like I think they would know

1428
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 1: who you are. I would be like, I'm here to

1429
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 1: It's like Chloe like, so this this this girl from

1430
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 1: Too Hot to Handle right hard for Chloe too. Chloe

1431
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 1: is great. So this girl from Too Hot to Handle

1432
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:31,640
Speaker 1: is now on the circle of this season and some

1433
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 1: of the and some of the contestants are like, oh

1434
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 1: my god, you're that girl from Too Hot to Handle,

1435
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 1: and she's like, yes, it's me. I don't think it's

1436
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 1: at it. I don't think it's adversely effected her. I

1437
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 1: think I would play as a hot girl Summer. I

1438
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:45,560
Speaker 1: would play as hot girl Summer. I would play as like,

1439
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 1: I just think because this is hot girl name Summer,

1440
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 1: your name Summer, Yeah, Summer Lacroix. At that would be

1441
01:23:53,800 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 1: my character, Summer Lacroix, not at all, Summer, very believable,

1442
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 1: And all my pictures are all my pictures are of

1443
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:10,480
Speaker 1: Greta Um. But basically this is I am not confident

1444
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 1: enough in my in my own ability to get myself

1445
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 1: across on social media without without without like engaging in weird,

1446
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: like try hardy things for social I think I would

1447
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 1: I would feel more confident as a Catfish character. I

1448
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 1: think I could remain more consistent as a character than

1449
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 1: I could as myself. Honestly, I think it'd be more

1450
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 1: likable too if I were not myself. That's crazy. Is

1451
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,759
Speaker 1: this therapy? I think the producers tell these contestants ahead

1452
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:41,799
Speaker 1: of time because to speak a certain way over the circle,

1453
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 1: because I mean usually, well, all these messages that they're

1454
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 1: sending to each other through this virtual it's not how

1455
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 1: people talk dictation, it's not people to talk at all.

1456
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 1: That there's like message, Hey, Queen, love the way you

1457
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 1: played the game today. I just wanted to tell you that. Um,

1458
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 1: when I was a child, I was touched by a

1459
01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: relative hard emoji too hard on me blue, hashtag got

1460
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 1: your back hashtag sisters who were touched. So so it's

1461
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 1: just chaos. It's pure care. It's not normal communication styles

1462
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:18,879
Speaker 1: at all. And the hashtags are like not real hashtag.

1463
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 1: It literally is like hashtag both born in the four

1464
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 1: on the fourth of July. It's like, it's so stupid,

1465
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 1: it's really insane. No one's ever said hashtag concrete angel,

1466
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what the hell that means Queen

1467
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 1: queen anyway. And and yes, these two gay men on

1468
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 1: one's one's that um guy in his sixties we mentioned,

1469
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:43,680
Speaker 1: and then the other is this like um is this

1470
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 1: is this barbed gay dude who loves Nicki Minaj and

1471
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:48,720
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift equally, which is a conflict of interest, But

1472
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 1: that's culture loving. It's a conflict. Here's the thing, Bowen

1473
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 1: that's us, both of us, that's us Courtney. I think

1474
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 1: I would love in real life the star, not the

1475
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: girl for not room for this. Gay would love to

1476
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:11,639
Speaker 1: tour with court with Courtney like a like a bar,

1477
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 1: like you know, best of friends. And the reason is

1478
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 1: I could not play as myself because I know I

1479
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 1: would be Courtney. I know I would be Courtney. I

1480
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:24,640
Speaker 1: know I'd be just evil. I'd have to play as

1481
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: someone else. Anyway. Yeah, okay, loving, thank you for giving

1482
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 1: us a space. Would love it. I'm totally going to

1483
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 1: give us a shot now. I'm giver start start with

1484
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 1: season two, okay, so start with his and two. Wow, fascinating. Yeah.

1485
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 1: I fell off after I fell I fell off like

1486
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 1: three episodes into one. I was like, this isn't for me,

1487
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 1: but too, I was for some reason, I was looked

1488
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 1: from the beginning. Maybe alex is one better now because

1489
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 1: you can see really the argents um and can't wait

1490
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 1: for the finale because of course it's Michelle's moment to

1491
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 1: shine because she hosts three un finale and she's really

1492
01:26:57,439 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 1: it's really a voiceover gig for her all year and

1493
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 1: then she really comes in the finale. You understand, all right,

1494
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 1: so I don't think so, honey, time starts now. I

1495
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Your building is not wired for

1496
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 1: veries and fives. Bitch. Now I have to settle for

1497
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 1: middle tier spectrum internet that are gonna nose dive three

1498
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 1: months into my contract with them, and they'll say, oh,

1499
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 1: it's not a contract you can do month to month.

1500
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 1: I don't care. Give me the fast stuff, mainline, the inner,

1501
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 1: the ethernet to my devices, and now I gotta put

1502
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 1: it upstairs because my building is not wired for spectrum

1503
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 1: that optimally either you're not gonna you're not gonna perform

1504
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 1: building surgery on my apartment in order for me to

1505
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 1: get a fast WiFi connection. And the Internet should be

1506
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 1: a fast and free for everybody. Water like water deprivatized

1507
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 1: WiFi deprivatized Internet. I don't want. I don't want Salve

1508
01:27:57,240 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 1: from Flushing to come in and and make me wait

1509
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: for minutes so that he can like, look at look

1510
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 1: at my building's guts with binoculars in my laundry room.

1511
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 1: It's actually very vulnerable. And that's one minute. Can we

1512
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 1: say this is just the truth, And I'm sorry to

1513
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 1: have to be the bearer of bad news. To this

1514
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 1: wireless internet company. But Spectrum, you don't hold a candle

1515
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 1: to Verizon Files. You just don't. Have you ever fucked

1516
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 1: with Spectrum? I have not, But I grew up in

1517
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:34,680
Speaker 1: a Comcast situation. Like I'm coming from a Coma, so

1518
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 1: that is that's the same. It's the like it's they

1519
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 1: want to send a guy to wire something in my house.

1520
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 1: And he had a nameplate belt buckle, what the buckley

1521
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 1: and it was Mark and it also was like kind

1522
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 1: of neon ish around it. So the Mark was like

1523
01:28:57,320 --> 01:28:59,679
Speaker 1: in you know, metal, but then there was like neon

1524
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 1: led lights around it. And he was just standing in

1525
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 1: my living room just kind of like, uh, this is nice.

1526
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 1: This is the nine place you got here. This is

1527
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 1: really nice. And I'm like, yeah, Mark, I'm gonna need

1528
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:11,760
Speaker 1: you to do your thing and go do your job

1529
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 1: please E G TFO. As they said when when you

1530
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 1: said that your building was not fitted for Verizon files,

1531
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 1: my heartbook for you. As someone who also is in

1532
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 1: a building that is not fitted for Verizon Files, I

1533
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 1: just Spectrum is so not it. But I actually don't know.

1534
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 1: But who is to blame because we love Spectrum for

1535
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:34,679
Speaker 1: giving us the access, for not having for not getting

1536
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:36,759
Speaker 1: us to ask the question will my building be wired

1537
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 1: for it? Do? Or do we do we direct the

1538
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:46,720
Speaker 1: ire towards Verizon for for having a be like masonry

1539
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 1: specific or whatever. That is weird, just uh, you know,

1540
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:56,320
Speaker 1: I guess I guess you're right. They're problematic, but it's

1541
01:29:56,400 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 1: unfortunate because they're so goddamn good. So I never had

1542
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:09,599
Speaker 1: Internet like that before in my life. I'll never happen again, never, never. Okay, alright,

1543
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:12,679
Speaker 1: so listen up. This is the point in the show.

1544
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 1: Slia does her fucking thing and her thing. At least

1545
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 1: this episode is going to be I don't think so, honey.

1546
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 1: Are you ready? I am ready. I knew it, I

1547
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 1: knew it. This is with Sharps. I don't think so honey.

1548
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 1: Her time starts now. I don't think so honey. Paramount

1549
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 1: plus streaming site logo, it's so lazy. It's so you're

1550
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 1: the last one out. Okay, So you're seeing what everybody

1551
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 1: else is doing, right, you see what we're doing now.

1552
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:50,120
Speaker 1: It's it's just the most simple blue with the mountain

1553
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 1: and the stars. Yeah, we know it. We've known it

1554
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:55,280
Speaker 1: all this time. You're not going to shut it up

1555
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 1: for us at all. Uh, Hulu has got a nice

1556
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 1: little green and that's been changing colors a little bit.

1557
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 1: Um Disney. I mean there's blue as well, but it's gradiated,

1558
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 1: you know. And also and they're Disney. All they need

1559
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: is that big a S D and you got it.

1560
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 1: You know, Netflix was a big red end. But now

1561
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 1: it's a multi color. Uh, come on, HBO is doing

1562
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 1: queer coloring, like doing quick and you're just gonna come

1563
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 1: in here with this bootle It looks like Letterhead, it

1564
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 1: looks like lair Head. You didn't even try. Thank you

1565
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 1: for all the real worlds though, Yes, and that's one minute.

1566
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 1: I will say this for for a streaming service that

1567
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 1: actually kind of comes through in terms of the content.

1568
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 1: The logo, it's it's a little bit basic. It's very

1569
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 1: but it's like they didn't even think about it. They're like, uh,

1570
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 1: just given what we normally got, we gotta do more.

1571
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 1: You gotta do better, right, And it is important that

1572
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 1: they're the last ones out. Yeah, they're they're seeing what

1573
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,320
Speaker 1: everyone else is doing. And they still gave us just

1574
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:03,360
Speaker 1: milk toast. And you know, especially after HBO Max did

1575
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 1: the thing, because when that when that blue screen comes

1576
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 1: up and seas. But and then you have to get sound.

1577
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:13,680
Speaker 1: You feel like you've unlocked something, you know what I mean,

1578
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 1: Like you're entering the domain. You get why design and

1579
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:21,599
Speaker 1: aesthetic and that sonic moment of welcome to HBO Max

1580
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 1: is is important. And all of the other ones just

1581
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:28,679
Speaker 1: seem like they're alive slightly because they're missing with their colors.

1582
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 1: And that's what that's what the kids are doing. Now

1583
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 1: we've got these and there's so much going on, and

1584
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 1: it literally looks like Paramount plus just looks like a

1585
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 1: piece of paper that we've all literally flayed. It's very flat.

1586
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 1: It truly just looks like a scan like if they

1587
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 1: had just the light that came from a copier where

1588
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 1: if you're looking at a copy or that white light

1589
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 1: went across, it would make sense to me, but it

1590
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:53,639
Speaker 1: would also be a little more dynamic than what they've

1591
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 1: got going on right now. Texture um absolutely and Mattla

1592
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 1: will be two kind to correct you. I will correct you,

1593
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 1: but that is classically color blind HBO Max. Guess what

1594
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 1: the color is? Purple? Its purple, okay see and that's

1595
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 1: how you know I'm I'm real. But it's clearly like

1596
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:19,280
Speaker 1: bluish and pink, like it's not just full on just

1597
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 1: but you don't have to do that. But I can't

1598
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 1: see it. It's and I have a show on it,

1599
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:30,720
Speaker 1: and I literally no when's ever I But I was

1600
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:32,120
Speaker 1: gonna say, I don't think so. Only the people who

1601
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 1: haven't told you that it's not blue, who have not

1602
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:36,599
Speaker 1: corrected you. I've kind of really been sitting around here

1603
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 1: on the quarantine myself. You see what you understand, There's

1604
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 1: really not really been anyone there where I've been like

1605
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 1: when that pops up, I'm like, that's blue, and they're

1606
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:49,400
Speaker 1: likes so yeah, well, I mean it's definitely purple, but

1607
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:53,479
Speaker 1: it's not as blue as the Paramount plus logo makes

1608
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:56,560
Speaker 1: me feel. And also they have so much to work with,

1609
01:33:56,640 --> 01:33:58,639
Speaker 1: because correct me if I'm wrong, But the Paramount plus

1610
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 1: is is miss thing holding up the the we're talking

1611
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:06,680
Speaker 1: about the mountain and the mountain. Yes, so you'd think

1612
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 1: like they can't do something with the mountain and the stars,

1613
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:12,679
Speaker 1: like how the stars go around the mountains they would

1614
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 1: do when they're opening a movie. When it's open a movie,

1615
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 1: they have the stars and then they're not nothing. It's

1616
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 1: just boop. Here you go sign here and here is

1617
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:26,600
Speaker 1: your here or your selections? So down floppy on the

1618
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:36,519
Speaker 1: behavior behavior jes or flop logo. It makes me sad

1619
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,400
Speaker 1: because they were you know, they're giving us real world

1620
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:43,320
Speaker 1: again and I've been enjoying that. And uh, you know

1621
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 1: where else are you going to see Latifa as the equalizer?

1622
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:48,799
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like they're giving us choices?

1623
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 1: So wait, have you checked in with Latifa as the equalizer?

1624
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:58,639
Speaker 1: Not yet? I do, I do. I do love Dana Owen.

1625
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 1: I really, I'm a annivers. I think she's done exceptional

1626
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:05,479
Speaker 1: work all the way through her career, and I don't

1627
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:11,200
Speaker 1: know if it's been acknowledged enough. I mean, honestly like

1628
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:17,280
Speaker 1: her her comedy Chops in Living Single far none amazing,

1629
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 1: musical theater yes, comedy drama Oscar nominated, Yeah yeah Chicago.

1630
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:28,040
Speaker 1: Oh so you know what's interesting, like doesn't get the

1631
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 1: credit for being a full on movie star above the

1632
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 1: title movie star. People forget she has opened big movies

1633
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:37,759
Speaker 1: for a long time and this show is a huge

1634
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:41,040
Speaker 1: hit and only a big star can can like just

1635
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:43,960
Speaker 1: instantly make a show huge like that. But the reason

1636
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 1: why all these things are popping off is because Latifa

1637
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:50,880
Speaker 1: is a superstar, and you're so right. She doesn't get that, Um,

1638
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:56,200
Speaker 1: she doesn't get that those flowers gather flowers. Also, her

1639
01:35:56,240 --> 01:36:01,320
Speaker 1: hair always laid always, and she's kind of doing something

1640
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 1: a little different than the equalizer. Yea, yeah, I think

1641
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 1: I think she just has a good face for any

1642
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:10,880
Speaker 1: bone structure, for any length, any style. I think that's

1643
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 1: also what we're working. I met her one time when

1644
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 1: I was eighteen years old, and she was she had

1645
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:18,880
Speaker 1: a platinum blonde uh. Like, um, it was like a

1646
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 1: cascade happening. It was like a short platinum blonde wig

1647
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 1: and she was. She glows in person. I believe it

1648
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 1: is crazy. I mean she was. I interviewed her. I

1649
01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:31,600
Speaker 1: was like for the n y U newspaper for a

1650
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:36,680
Speaker 1: Secret Life of being, and so basically, um, it was.

1651
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:39,400
Speaker 1: It was my first time ever interviewing a bunch of

1652
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 1: celebrities and like, um, it was like Gina Prince by

1653
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 1: one who directed the movie who I Love, I Love

1654
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 1: Love and Basketball. I really love all of her work

1655
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:49,679
Speaker 1: and I was excited to see her, but was nervous

1656
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 1: to ask a question. Sophia Canado came in and she

1657
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,800
Speaker 1: sat down and I was like, I'm gonna ask a

1658
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 1: question to Sophia Canado, like I'm gonna ask a question.

1659
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 1: And she had a role in the movie that like

1660
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 1: was was gonna get earned some Oscar buzz? We thought

1661
01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:10,679
Speaker 1: maybe um, and someone said something about the Oscars because

1662
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 1: you know, she had been nominated for Hotel Rwanda and

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01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:15,000
Speaker 1: they're like, she was getting some buzz. And I remember

1664
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:17,400
Speaker 1: asking like I just jumped in there because they told

1665
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 1: they said like, if you have a question, jump in there, um,

1666
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 1: and I jumped in there. I was like, well, does

1667
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 1: it make you nervous to get Oscar buzz? Like do

1668
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:25,479
Speaker 1: you think about it? And she was She looks at

1669
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 1: me in the eyes, and Sophio Canada was like, oh no,

1670
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:31,720
Speaker 1: I don't think about that at all. That that's in

1671
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:35,240
Speaker 1: God's plan. That's in God's plan. And I was like,

1672
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 1: oh okay. And this woman across the table from me

1673
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 1: was like, now, did you want to resume the question

1674
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:44,000
Speaker 1: that you were answering before he interrupted you? And I

1675
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:48,040
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I'm mortified. I'm eighteen years old.

1676
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:50,880
Speaker 1: I was trying to do my best. I respected her

1677
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:53,240
Speaker 1: and I felt like I had like disrespected her and

1678
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:57,719
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, so I'm dispirited. So then

1679
01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 1: Queen Latifa comes in, lifts the energy off off the

1680
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:07,840
Speaker 1: ground into the stratosphere, superstar charm down. She comes in,

1681
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 1: sits down, and I'm not asking her a question because

1682
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 1: I'm just too I'm just having too much fun watching her.

1683
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:16,880
Speaker 1: And I felt like a flop after Sophie. So we

1684
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:19,719
Speaker 1: all have our opportunity to get our like press book

1685
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:23,840
Speaker 1: signed by Queen Latifa at the end. And everyone I

1686
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:26,479
Speaker 1: can tell is a fake fan because they're all going

1687
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:28,839
Speaker 1: up to her and they're like, I loved you in Chicago.

1688
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 1: I loved you in Chicago. I loved you in Chicago,

1689
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:35,120
Speaker 1: like all these press people that clearly did not know

1690
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 1: Latifa's work, did they, And she she literally was like

1691
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 1: thank you, thanks, thank you so much, thanks, because she

1692
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:43,760
Speaker 1: just gets that all the time. You can tell these

1693
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:46,600
Speaker 1: film people like only know Chicago. So I was like,

1694
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:49,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna earn this woman's respect. So I went up

1695
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:51,320
Speaker 1: to her and I gave her my book and I

1696
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:54,879
Speaker 1: looked down and I said I loved you in Life Support,

1697
01:38:55,680 --> 01:39:01,759
Speaker 1: which was her HBO like AIDS TV movie. She looks

1698
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 1: up at me, she looks dead in her eyes. She

1699
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:05,600
Speaker 1: wipes her platinum blonde hair out of her face and

1700
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 1: she goes, thank you so much, baby, and I said

1701
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 1: thank you, and we had a moment together and she

1702
01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 1: signed that book and I left and it was like

1703
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:23,559
Speaker 1: it was like that Sophio Carnado moment didn't even happen,

1704
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:32,120
Speaker 1: and that was God's plan. That was God's plan that day. Reader,

1705
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:34,320
Speaker 1: if you're not if you're not getting out of your chair,

1706
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:36,160
Speaker 1: I don't think. If you're driving, if you're not getting

1707
01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:40,160
Speaker 1: out of your speed, that's beautiful. Tear to my eye,

1708
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:45,120
Speaker 1: tear to my eye. Latifa made my day. I hope

1709
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:51,479
Speaker 1: I made her. I'm sure this episode made my day.

1710
01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 1: Hello so much Hello, so much fun. And to hear

1711
01:39:57,479 --> 01:40:00,200
Speaker 1: what probably is going to be ten million times even

1712
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:02,160
Speaker 1: more fun. You got to listen to The War Report,

1713
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:08,240
Speaker 1: which episodes every Thursday, and you need to have duh.

1714
01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:11,559
Speaker 1: It's like, how long has the podcast been going? About

1715
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:15,719
Speaker 1: like five months or so. It's yeah, it's a baby,

1716
01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:20,240
Speaker 1: so it's a little Yeah. It's me and gas Store Almonte,

1717
01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:26,320
Speaker 1: who's a great storyteller, UM and he's a delightful um

1718
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:32,080
Speaker 1: Brooklyn born uh, married father of two, like just tough

1719
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:36,799
Speaker 1: guy and I am not um any of those things.

1720
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:41,280
Speaker 1: And so it's just us, you know, talking crap about

1721
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:44,840
Speaker 1: the news basically every week. And uh, it's a lot

1722
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:48,720
Speaker 1: of fun. It's a lot of fun. Gosh, we're in.

1723
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:52,160
Speaker 1: We're all in. And you gotta follow Chile on all

1724
01:40:52,240 --> 01:40:57,080
Speaker 1: platforms at Silky Jumbo, which come on. That's that's a handle,

1725
01:40:57,240 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 1: that's a handle and a half. That is that isn't

1726
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:03,960
Speaker 1: that is memorable? Name? Yeah? Yeah, you know, I like lotion.

1727
01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:07,559
Speaker 1: I like eating and I like lotion. What can I say?

1728
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:11,120
Speaker 1: What can I say? We're so happy we're here. Thank

1729
01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:13,640
Speaker 1: you so much. It's thrilled to do it. Thanks for

1730
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:16,960
Speaker 1: having me. Oh my gosh, man, I close that every

1731
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:18,600
Speaker 1: episode with the song I think I think I have

1732
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 1: one in mind. Here we go, well, the Cruel Cruels,

1733
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:36,599
Speaker 1: the Cloudy Day Cloud, Sam's lack act and faally rest

1734
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:41,040
Speaker 1: my head on something real. I don't like the way

1735
01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:44,639
Speaker 1: that feels. So this was sort of a megamix. Yeah,

1736
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:47,560
Speaker 1: I'm really shocked that how that really spoke to so

1737
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:53,479
Speaker 1: many parts of my soul lost culture, touching all of

1738
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:58,840
Speaker 1: the soul, all the soul, the dark parts of yourself. Bye.

1739
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:00,880
Speaker 1: Two