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Speaker 1: Always unplugging is forgotten Seasons.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Forgotten Seasons. Steven Jackson, how are you

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Speaker 2: doing today?

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Speaker 1: Man? My brothers? What's good? Chilly j Max? How you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty solid?

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Speaker 2: So today we're going to be talking about the twenty

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Speaker 2: ten Bobcats. I want to start a few years before

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Speaker 2: that first off stack. So in two thousand and seven,

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Speaker 2: you guys make history with the Warriors, you beat the Mavericks.

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Speaker 2: We believe a team that is still etched in history today.

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Speaker 2: I want to start in two thousand and eight because

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Speaker 2: I've heard you tell the story, but it's unbelievable. You

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Speaker 2: negotiating your contract with Don Nelson before the two thousand

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Speaker 2: and eight season. You go on after that contract is

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Speaker 2: signed to have one of the best years of your career.

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Speaker 2: You're with the likes of Dwayne Wade, Lebron James for stats.

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Speaker 2: But how did you negotiate your contract? And I believe

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Speaker 2: you did it just by yourself? There wasn't was there

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Speaker 2: an agent? How'd that story go?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I didn't have an agent at the time.

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Speaker 4: They had basically was trading everybody from the team, So

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Speaker 4: I knew had I had a little leverage with them

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Speaker 4: one to keep me. You know, I was the last

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Speaker 4: one probably standing me in Monte, and Monte was younger,

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Speaker 4: so he had he was he was on a longer

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Speaker 4: deal at the time, and I had two years left

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Speaker 4: on my deal that I had signed from Indiana. I

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Speaker 4: knew I was in a great position because I was

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Speaker 4: the only veteran on the team. Really, I knew I

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Speaker 4: had a great relationship with Don Nelson. So I went

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Speaker 4: to the to the president, I mean the general manager

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Speaker 4: of the team, which was Bobby Robbers at the time,

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Speaker 4: and a lady that worked for She was a player personnel.

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Speaker 4: She was right under the general manager. Her named was

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Speaker 4: Nita Barry. Her and my mom were good friends. They

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Speaker 4: hung out after games before a game, so she took

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Speaker 4: a liking to me and any question I had. She

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Speaker 4: Even helped me a lot with my foundation when I

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Speaker 4: was doing to give back to my hometown. She helped

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Speaker 4: me with sponsors and other people to help them do

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Speaker 4: things like that. So I was averaging I think twenty

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Speaker 4: at the time, and there's a lot of guys that

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Speaker 4: weren't averaging the points that I was averaging.

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Speaker 1: And wasn't.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't just coming out of the playoffs. They were

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Speaker 4: making more money than me. And I decided to go

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Speaker 4: to Bobby with the stats of those players in my

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Speaker 4: told him I wanted three years thirty million dollar added

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Speaker 4: to my contract already, or.

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Speaker 1: I'm a walk You know what I'm saying, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: ask for a trade.

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Speaker 4: Well, he gave me the deal, but they didn't tell

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Speaker 4: me that before they gave me the deal. They didn't

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Speaker 4: tell me that they was going younger next the next season,

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Speaker 4: going to next thing. They didn't told me it was

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Speaker 4: gonna be going younger and they was gonna be trading

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Speaker 4: more guys away. So coming into that regular season, you know,

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Speaker 4: I got my money, but Bobby didn't keep his word

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Speaker 4: on building this team back to where it was before

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Speaker 4: you got rid of Al Barron and all those guys.

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Speaker 4: You didn't make not one move to show that you

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Speaker 4: drafted Steph Curry, which was great, but I didn't know

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Speaker 1: Be the step he is today.

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Speaker 4: So so I went to you know, I told him

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Speaker 1: Tell him to be I wanted to be traded like

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Speaker 1: an asshole. Right.

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Speaker 4: I had a great with loss, great relationship with Don

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Speaker 4: Nelson and UH and UH. I basically told him, you

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Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Coach, I hope this ship works

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Speaker 4: because you know what I'm saying, it's a lot of

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Speaker 4: young guys. The team is going younger. You know, Don,

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Speaker 4: that's a straight shooter. Yeah, we're going young Jack were

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Speaker 4: going young. Here a straight shooter. So I sat on

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Speaker 4: out of camp, you know, I basically told him, like

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Speaker 4: I'm a professional, I'm gonna do my job always. I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna respect my teammates, respect my organization, respect my coaches,

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Speaker 1: But I want I came in this game and win

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Speaker 1: him and I want to leave a winner.

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Speaker 4: It's too late in my career to just sit around

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Speaker 4: you know, Don don Nelson gave me a great opportunity

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Speaker 3: I had to have my ship. My best year is

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Speaker 3: in Charlotte. What was the thought? What was the thought

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Speaker 3: lady and the organization? Was it just you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean, just you know, just wanting to be you know, representing.

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Speaker 3: Was it just a shot in the dark? You know

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Speaker 3: what I mean? What was the you know, what was

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Speaker 3: the impetus behind you going out and renegotiating your deal?

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Speaker 1: Impetus? Like I like that word, Write that down.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. For me, I had Dad Fagan early in my career.

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Speaker 4: I only hired Dan, and I think a lot of

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Speaker 4: people only hired Dan when it was time to get money.

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Speaker 4: In fact, he wasn't good at endorsements. Rest in peace, Dan,

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Speaker 4: Rest in peace to him. So I missing. He was

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Speaker 4: a great guy, but he wasn't the endorsement guy. He's

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Speaker 4: the guy who's gonna go into that team and get

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Speaker 4: you your big contract when it's time you have a

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 4: He come around, gets you that, yep, yep. In fact,

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Speaker 4: he did it for millions of people. So I kind

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Speaker 4: of learned the game from Dan. You know, I kind

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Speaker 4: of always stood stood on my own and watched it

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Speaker 1: So you know, I knew what I was worth.

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Speaker 4: I felt at that point what I was doing with

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Speaker 4: didn't need nobody to speak for me. Can't nobody tell

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Speaker 4: me what I'm worth more than what you know? What

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Speaker 4: I'm saying better than I know. So I was just confident,

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Speaker 4: and Jim mag it was a little bit everything. It

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Speaker 4: a little me being confident. It was a chip on

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Speaker 4: my shoulder, you know. It was just a little bit

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Speaker 4: of everything. But at the end of the day, it

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Speaker 4: was me believing in myself that I can get it

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Speaker 4: done because I've seen the status of everybody else, and

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Speaker 4: I've been up there with everybody else. My whole career.

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Speaker 4: Is just that cloud that's been over my whole career.

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Speaker 4: People are trying to keep that cloud over me. And

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Speaker 4: instead of having somebody speak for me, I took the

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Speaker 2: It usually doesn't happen that way too, because what you

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Speaker 2: had two years left on your deal at that time.

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Speaker 4: When nobody gets a three year extension with two years

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Speaker 4: left on they deal, I think.

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Speaker 2: That says a lot about you too, that you did

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Speaker 2: all of that after the media tries to stain you,

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Speaker 2: I mean after everything happens in Indiana. And it leads

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Speaker 2: me to my next point because when you arrive in Charlotte,

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Speaker 2: you get traded there in nine games into the twenty

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Speaker 2: of the media members were kind of saying and asking

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Speaker 2: people like Larry Brown, h are you sure you can?

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Speaker 1: You know you sure?

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Speaker 3: You?

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Speaker 2: Guys want Steven Jackson, He's this, he's that. But everybody

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Speaker 2: you're willing to die on the court. You're willing to

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Speaker 2: die for your teammates. Literally, Where does that come from?

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Speaker 2: Because usually somebody that has to play in what seven

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Speaker 2: they get drafted. Usually those aren't the type of qualities

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Speaker 2: You're a leader on the team and you inject confidence

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Speaker 2: into the second unit into everybody. Where does that come from?

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Speaker 2: Because I think that's a very rare characteristic.

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Speaker 3: But right before that, Dylan, I just want to say

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Speaker 3: not only the overseas journey and everything in between, that

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Speaker 3: of what people don't understand is when you go to

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Speaker 3: you're trying to make the team or make a training camp,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And sometimes the regular players,

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Speaker 3: wanted to get extra reps in the summer. And you

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Speaker 3: Summer League got real big, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: And it was just a couple of teams. So that

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Speaker 3: is actually how I met Jack years ago, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean. And that's why we were We were

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Speaker 3: Wherever we can be at a uh Chicago pre draft,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, where wherever it was teams

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Speaker 3: summer runs, you know what I mean. We always like there's.

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Speaker 1: All the guys with the question marks.

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Speaker 2: Who are some of the other guys there who were

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Speaker 1: Reggie fan Page.

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Speaker 3: as Winfred Walton, you know talented Melvin Eli.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a group of guys that.

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Speaker 4: Were misunderstood because a lot of those guys that he

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Speaker 4: named today are doing great outside of sports, right, So

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Speaker 4: so so I forgot your question though.

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Speaker 2: Dylan, where does that confidence come from? I mean, you're

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Speaker 2: not only do you make it, but you're, according to

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Speaker 2: everybody that you've played with, like the epitome of a leader.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think. I think for me, first, it starts

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Speaker 4: we're seeing my grandfather. My grandfather had nine kids, all

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Speaker 4: So it's like they nine kids, my grandfather taking care

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Speaker 4: of his nine kids and his fifteen grandchildren. Right, So,

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Speaker 4: like I seen what a man was, and then then

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Speaker 4: as I got older seeing him do all these things,

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Speaker 4: you know, I get to be explained why I have

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Speaker 4: his name right, Stephen Jesse Jackson. My grandfather name is

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Speaker 4: where I played basketball. The year I get drafted to

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Speaker 1: Me not knowing why, me not knowing why I'm named him.

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Speaker 4: But it made sense when I made it to the

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Speaker 4: The first thing I did was bill his wife, my

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Speaker 4: And that's just the way I was taught. That's my city.

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Speaker 4: Regardless who you are as a person, regardless of how

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Speaker 1: He don't go through the media. He don't go what

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Speaker 4: He looks directly into you and get his own version

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Speaker 4: But in the time, he owned me. As soon as

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Speaker 4: He called him play for me to get an ice oop.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, So like he wanted those

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Speaker 4: He one of those coaches. He's gonna hold you accountable.

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Speaker 4: But if you playing basketball with the passion that me

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Speaker 4: not saying that.

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Speaker 1: No, just walking that fine line question for.

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Speaker 2: Both of you, do you were there coaches through your

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Speaker 4: Gonna tell you I was blessed I had, I had,

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Speaker 4: I went. I went through it two times beginning of

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Speaker 3: By the way, who, by the way, is known as

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Speaker 3: the tough, cool dude. But as a coach, he's generally

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Speaker 3: hear stories out of the Wherever training campaign, what you

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Speaker 1: Jesus, you know what.

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Speaker 3: He's generally regarded as the toughest you know, old showtime

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Speaker 3: You're gonna go through it with Byron, but I go

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Speaker 3: so just being Steven Jesse Jackson, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's not just a Steven Jesse Jackson thing. Byron Scott

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Speaker 3: You about to go through some thing, you know what

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Speaker 4: But his whole beat with me too was because Steph

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Speaker 4: I was just a body in camp. I went from

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Speaker 4: after practice with Steph to me killing the first team,

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Speaker 4: Now I'm starting, you know what I'm saying. But Byron

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Speaker 1: And I ended up making a Rookie All Star team

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Speaker 4: I was leading arrookies and scoring to be to be exact,

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Speaker 4: damn leading arrookis and scoring doll to be exactly. I

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Speaker 4: one pick on my team, my brother Keny Martin, and

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Speaker 1: I don't play at all the rest of the season.

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Speaker 2: Not one minute, like at all, A couple of minutes

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Speaker 4: I don't count Terry Stocks at the time in Atlanta,

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Speaker 4: I wasn't that long enough to have a relationship with him,

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Speaker 4: So I don't even know how that was.

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Speaker 1: Nobody cared.

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Speaker 4: Uh I get to Indiana, We'll call all Mike Brown,

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Speaker 4: Nobody's given me the compliments from a Hall of Fame

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Speaker 4: coach like Don Nelson has. Larry Brown a straight shoot

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Speaker 4: somebody I respect. My relationship with Larry Brown was so good.

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Speaker 4: He wants to see everybody win. He's a straight up

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Speaker 1: So then I end up going back to pop.

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Speaker 4: So I had great coaches, but Byron Scott was the

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Speaker 4: only time that I felt slighted by a coach. Every

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Speaker 4: to the day of respect.

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Speaker 3: Him the most shit I went over for too early.

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Speaker 3: I had Paul west Fall. You know, Dylan, I think

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Speaker 3: I've shared with you a buf you guys, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean my Paul west Fall story. And then I

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Speaker 3: there's a completely different dynamic when you switch from coaching

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Speaker 3: like two ships of the night. You don't want them

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Speaker 3: to know what you own. It's a hard that veil

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Speaker 3: You know, everybody's cool. They can talk, communicate with each other.

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Speaker 3: after that, I played for a Lenny Wilkins, Phil Jackson.

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00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,480
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. These you know, the top

438
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,720
Speaker 3: you know, the top notch Hall of Fame coaches, And

439
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,760
Speaker 3: when they came to me, like jack said, with the

440
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,680
Speaker 3: straight shooting shit, or you know, even George Carl. You

441
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 3: know a lot of people don't like George Carl, but

442
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,840
Speaker 3: George Carl was giving it. He was bringing it to

443
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,840
Speaker 3: your doorstep. You know what I mean. Hey, this is

444
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,680
Speaker 3: what I knowed. You want to play, you want to

445
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,040
Speaker 3: remain on the roster. This is how I needed, This

446
00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:04,639
Speaker 3: is what I need from you. I don't want to

447
00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,359
Speaker 3: see you doing this. I don't want you in the

448
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,600
Speaker 3: training room WOOTI WOOTI will. You know what I mean.

449
00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 3: It's off putting sometimes, but you know what I mean,

450
00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,399
Speaker 3: when you get there's a hard dynamic. It's hard to

451
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,920
Speaker 3: adjust to sometimes when you go between the two coaching styles,

452
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,760
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So I forgot what he

453
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 3: was talking about, but you know what I mean that

454
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,720
Speaker 3: I didn't want to digress, but I understand what says

455
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 3: when he goes from you know, Pop and you know

456
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,120
Speaker 3: what I mean, Carlisle and you know what I mean,

457
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,399
Speaker 3: Larry Brown and the high quality coaches. You know what

458
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 3: I mean. When the drop off happens and you get

459
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 3: a coach that you're not really ribbing with like that,

460
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 3: it's a hard thing to get past sometimes.

461
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one coach I ain't even talking about that

462
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:45,639
Speaker 4: I didn't want to say his name is.

463
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 1: It was so bad for those two much. Yeah, in

464
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 1: Milwaukee Scotskys. I can't stand him.

465
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,880
Speaker 3: You think in my tongue too on a couple of situations.

466
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,720
Speaker 3: So I completely get it.

467
00:20:54,800 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had the coolest We had the coolest assistant coach, Jim.

468
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 1: Bowl Jim Boylan. Do you think Jim what that's my dob? Really?

469
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 2: He had like the worst gym. He had like the

470
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,439
Speaker 2: worst tenure. I think him and Rondo he was with

471
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 2: the Bulls and that was that one.

472
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 3: He doesn't pass the eye test for.

473
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 2: He doesn't pass the eye he don't Uh so get

474
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 2: it into some of the roster. Again, this is a

475
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 2: team that had little to no success before you got there.

476
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 2: They were always a good defensive team, but they couldn't

477
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,679
Speaker 2: score to you know, to save their life. Uh Starting

478
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 2: up top, Gerald Wallace, he makes the All Star Game

479
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 2: that year. You probably should have been the one to

480
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 2: make it, but I think I want to start with

481
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 2: Jared Wallace. Is because when we think about like the

482
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 2: modern NBA, it's all about big wings and you and

483
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 2: Gerald Wallace, I think the contrast between your play style

484
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 2: and your personalities is what made it work. Jerald Wallace

485
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,639
Speaker 2: one of the best defenders, one of the best energy guys,

486
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 2: but seems like kind of a mellow personality, maybe a

487
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 2: little bit quiet.

488
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Speaker 1: Quiet dude.

489
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 2: Just tell us a little bit about what Gerald DAWs

490
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 2: is like playing on the court, and then also what's

491
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 2: the dude like off the court?

492
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, g one of my favorite team is

493
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 4: I'm still I'll be looking at Jerald. I bumped into

494
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 4: his brother recent the other day. Tell him I want

495
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,439
Speaker 4: him to come on the show. I should want to

496
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 4: talk to him, see what he got going on. One

497
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 4: thing I do know about Jerild he's somewhere straight in

498
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 4: the country, gambling, having a good time.

499
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

500
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 4: Jeral was was one of my favorite teammates because I

501
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 4: can rely on him every night and that as far

502
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 4: as far as bringing the intensity to the game and

503
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 4: giving up, he might be It's the only person on

504
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 4: the court when I go out there, this might be

505
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 4: the only person that might play harder than me. Like

506
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 4: I gotta I gotta see, if you know what I'm saying.

507
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 4: Every night, we gotta see who playing the hardest because

508
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 4: he bringing it every night. And I felt like I

509
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 4: was with Ron again. He not a talented is Ron,

510
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 4: but me and him doing the same things Me and Ron.

511
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: Used to do.

512
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,239
Speaker 4: We used to argue about who God and who Now

513
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 4: I got the best player, I'm going let me go out,

514
00:22:58,840 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.

515
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 1: Like me and him were the same.

516
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 4: We had the same passion, the same driver, and the

517
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 4: same will to win. We both wanted to win and

518
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 4: do anything to win. I think as you said, Dylan,

519
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 4: the difference, the different personalities we had made it work.

520
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 4: You know, I'm loud and boisterous, I'm talking all the trash.

521
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 4: I'm talking to No, don't don't, don't get it wrong.

522
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 1: Jerald got text too now, yeah, used to get ya.

523
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 3: Both was going back and forth for a minute with

524
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 3: the energy, you know what I mean.

525
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 4: So yeah, I was worse because he used to always

526
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 4: try to pull me back. I was worse, but he

527
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 4: used to always pull me back. But Gee was the

528
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,679
Speaker 4: perfect teammate for me because he did the things that

529
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 4: I couldn't do well. He was a high jumper. He

530
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 4: was a shot blocker, you know. Uh, he was great

531
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 4: finishing around above the rim. You know his his motor

532
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 4: was unbelievable. And I was a better score I was

533
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 4: a better one on one player. I was a better playmaker.

534
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,719
Speaker 4: But on the on the defensive end, every night, whatever

535
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 4: two and three go out, we played.

536
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 1: They had a lot at a tough night.

537
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 4: They had a tough night because I guarantee you if

538
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 4: they beat us, they didn't. The stars didn't beat us.

539
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 4: It was it was the It was the role players,

540
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 4: the other guys that had big games. Because like you,

541
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 4: said we were the best defensive team in the league.

542
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 4: We were locked in on defense, you know what I'm saying.

543
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 4: And that's one thing why Larb Brown. Larb Brown let

544
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 4: us uh let us be so free on offense because

545
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 4: he didn't care because we locking every one thing about

546
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 4: We might not we might lose a lot of games,

547
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 4: but the games we we lose, we ain't getting blown out.

548
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: It's because we could. I was the only one scoring.

549
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: We couldn't score.

550
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 4: So but Jered was the perfect teammate for me, man

551
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 4: like I was blessed to be able to play along

552
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 4: alongside guys like Ron JEROBLEI BD match.

553
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

554
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 4: I had good I had good wing partners that I

555
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 4: was playing with, and Joe Watas is definitely the top

556
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 4: of it.

557
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: Where does what's your Where does Gerald rank in the

558
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 2: best defenders that you've ever played with?

559
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: As guards?

560
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 2: It could be it could be any just to get

561
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 2: the dudes that if you if if if you're playing.

562
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 4: Defense, if you're talking about defenders, you know I played

563
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 4: with j oh Tim Duncan.

564
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: You know, okay, perimeter defenders.

565
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 4: Perimeter, He's definitely I would put him behind Ron and Matt.

566
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: I put him third behind Run and Matt. It's a

567
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: good list. Super sid.

568
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's keep going down the line. Uh boris the yeah.

569
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: I got Run is the best two way player ever.

570
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 2: Run our testament, Run our test. I mean, I don't

571
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 2: think people we talked about this a few weeks ago, like,

572
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 2: is it fair to say that that people legitimately were

573
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: afraid of run our tests and and didn't want anything

574
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 2: to do with him.

575
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 4: Yes, terrified. Afraid is not the word one through five

576
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 4: because I've seen it. I've seen it with my own eyes.

577
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 4: Top players, some top players. Players that's starting. That's average

578
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty five points. When you get the ball

579
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 4: in the paint, he turned it up board one time,

580
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 4: you come back down. The next play somebody else guard bro.

581
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, he gonna go down. He's gonna go

582
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 4: through the line. You're gonna put somebody else out and

583
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 4: the next tough guy, Okay, we'll put him over there.

584
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 4: He's the tough guy. He's the tougher guy. He gonna

585
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 4: get bold. Then you're gonna he gonna go through it big.

586
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,719
Speaker 4: No matter who it was, you was gonna get it.

587
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 4: I had teammates, you know, that I played with alongside,

588
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, it looked like, damn, you

589
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 4: really affected Ron. But here's the cold part about it.

590
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 4: If you as a competitor and Ron liked you, and

591
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 4: Ron got along with you, he just kept it to basketball.

592
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 4: He just he gonna play dumb hard, he gonna elbow

593
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,479
Speaker 4: and all that. But he ain't gonna try to make

594
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 4: it seem like it's a fight or nothing like that.

595
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 4: Just basketball. I'm clearing through.

596
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 3: He'll let you know if you mess with He's like,

597
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 3: play through and do the thing, you know what I mean.

598
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 3: But if you get into it and like start getting

599
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: all in your feelings and reacting to the things he doing,

600
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 3: because he don't he not on that. He out there

601
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,719
Speaker 3: playing basketball, Like Stack said, like the way, this is how,

602
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,479
Speaker 3: this is what got me here. This is Queen Bridge

603
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 3: in the house saying, you know, this is the whole package,

604
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 3: just what I'm giving you. But the minute you got

605
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 3: in your feelings about it and tried to play Ryan

606
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 3: like he was outside of his mind and not playing basketball,

607
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 3: that's when he would go outside of his mind.

608
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 4: And if this is what people don't say too. A

609
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 4: lot of times when Ron could play and doing the games.

610
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 4: He was right, Broe. He was getting filed, he was

611
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 4: getting beat up, but he had such a bad rap

612
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 4: that they wasn't trying to hear. I'm gonna get a

613
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 4: perfect example, doubt we. I don't remember what game it was,

614
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 4: but he was. He was posting up and every time

615
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 4: he get the ball and swing through, they kept hitting

616
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 4: his arms.

617
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So he lost the ball

618
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: the first time, so he telling the rep.

619
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 4: The second time he swung it through, he didn't lose it,

620
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 4: but they fired him again and he went crazy, right,

621
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 4: So I told him, I said, bro, don't worry about it.

622
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: Go through his arm. We do it to him again.

623
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 4: The same dude kept doing the same thing because the

624
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 4: repee wouldn't call it, bro. He went through the dude

625
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 4: on the dude grabbed his arm and read straight to

626
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 4: the beach. Do you know who didn't play another minute?

627
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 4: Do you know who they didn't call? They didn't call him,

628
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 4: and I don't remember they didn't.

629
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 3: Call him, Bob.

630
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: He went straight and laid it up. He went straight

631
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: and laid it up.

632
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 4: The dude went to the to the sideline with his

633
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 4: hole on his arm, didn't play no more.

634
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: That game.

635
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: Is it fair to say I think you and Ron's

636
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: career got most impacted by the malice at the Palace?

637
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: If no question, If if that doesn't happen, and Ron

638
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: continues on that trajectory, what is like the ceiling of

639
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: who he could have been as a player?

640
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 4: I think for me and not just saying it because

641
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 4: he's my favorite teammate, as you know, I've put my

642
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 4: career on the line for him. I think Ron would

643
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 4: have been but the first to win m v P

644
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 4: and defensive Player multiple years.

645
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: What was his offensive game that? What was his offensive game?

646
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, he had a nice jump, But this is

647
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 4: the thing though, he didn't need all that, Like he's

648
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 4: he he handles the ball like a point guard.

649
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: First of ball, people don't know you're not about to steal, not.

650
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 4: Taking the ball. He's two sixty six seven six eight,

651
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 4: And it's this thing. He's smart. He's catching the ball

652
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 4: in the small post area where nobody is strong enough

653
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 4: if their guard to guard him. And if you're a

654
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 4: big man, you're not fast enough to keep up with him.

655
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 4: So if he catched the ball in the small post

656
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 4: on anybody in the league around that time, it's a

657
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 4: file or bucket. It just that simple, and your best

658
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 4: player on the other end, he might take him out

659
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 4: the game, just completely out the game, and he did.

660
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: He was doing that for multiple years now. He was

661
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: doing that.

662
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 4: People just couldn't look over the other stuff he was

663
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 4: doing because they didn't understand his passion for the game

664
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 4: and some of his stuff.

665
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: You know, I ain't make an excuses.

666
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 4: For him, but if they were just locked in on

667
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 4: the basketball player one was, you would never see You

668
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 4: would never see that again. You would never see that

669
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 4: in the NBA because the way he was, the way

670
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 4: he played the game, the way he grew up to

671
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 4: the passion of actually knowing how to play basketball at

672
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 4: that size, with that attitude on both ends of the court.

673
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm not the only guy that feels like this.

674
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 4: You can ask a lot of g that that that's

675
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 4: not that they feelings and it's not Hayden. Oh Roland,

676
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 4: that's not Hayden. They'll say. Rong was, by fall the

677
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 4: best two way player we was in the league.

678
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: Bro fierce competitor, abnormally savante offense, considering that he didn't

679
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 3: have an unbelievable package or a dead eyes shot, but

680
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: the competition and the knowing, the self awareness of what

681
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 3: his game was and his frame and his passion for

682
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 3: the game. When you mix that together, you're like, like,

683
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 3: like Stack said, well it'll never be seen before. It

684
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: doesn't get enough recognition. We didn't understand we were watching

685
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 3: a master at his at work at the time. But

686
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: Dyna go down the rest of that ros.

687
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: Last, no last thing, I'll run our test, I think

688
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: because we were talking about how New York City hadn't

689
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: produced like a star and we didn't even mention him,

690
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, something's happened to his career,

691
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: but like he wasn't even mentioned, so maybe we were.

692
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: We were feeling Steph. Step Steph is the best player.

693
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 4: But if I had to pick one player on my team,

694
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 4: you got it's definitely wrong on definitely taking around.

695
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: You're definitely taking wrong with the no question about it.

696
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: Well, that was a super enthusiastic run our test modelogue.

697
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: Shout out to Meta, that's the family. Yes, I got,

698
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: I got. I got another guy that I think might

699
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: we might take it up even more of a notch

700
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: because I know that you're a big bors Du guy

701
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: and he was killing this year on the Bobcats, give

702
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: us some Bords d out game.

703
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: How good was he?

704
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 4: The most talented player I've ever played with? All around Tim,

705
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 4: All around Tim, Tim couldn't shoot threes. That's probably the

706
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 4: only hole in Tim game. He doesn't get to do

707
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,239
Speaker 4: all that. He doesn't get enough credit on the Year

708
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 4: L list. I think he gets.

709
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: List.

710
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 4: But the only reason why because its motor Bars was

711
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 4: happy to be in the NBA. He ain't doing too much,

712
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 4: he ain't doing too little. You know, you might have

713
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 4: you and then he might have a game. He's not

714
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: gonna shower either, but he might have a game where

715
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 4: he had thirty thirty, ten and ten, thirty ten and

716
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 4: ten and then the next game five for because you know,

717
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 4: he just didn't care to play one hundred and ten

718
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 4: every night. But if I had to pick one player,

719
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 4: baris Da was definitely one of the probably the most

720
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 4: talented player all around that I played with, because his

721
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 4: basketball IQ. He could pass, he was six'. Nine his

722
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 4: post game was. Unbelievable he could, defend he can play five.

723
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 4: Positions he can play five positions on the court like

724
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 4: he could shoot threes mid.

725
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: Range he did it. All he did it all and.

726
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 4: A lot of our success came because Of bars because

727
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 4: we can put him at so many different. Positions you,

728
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 4: know just just say they want to post me up

729
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 4: instead of HAVING Dj augustine post post me. Up as

730
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 4: soon AS dj passed The smalls coming double, Team baris

731
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 4: feed the big sitting right, there the big come. Off

732
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 4: i'm right back To bars for three or the big

733
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 4: gotta stay. Home So bars gave Created mitch matches for

734
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 4: us to be, great AND i think any team he

735
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 4: was on he did that for.

736
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 3: Him you, Know boris was the good second person to

737
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: have the, Ball like if you drive and, kicked you

738
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 3: got into a gap and you kicked to a.

739
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: Win that connectors is like high.

740
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: Level you know that that person who gets the ball

741
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 3: the decision. Maker he can get, downhill he can get

742
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 3: he can give you his back and get back to the.

743
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 3: Post he, can you know WHAT i, mean bring it

744
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 3: back and reinitiate your. Offense he was like almost like

745
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: a Good it's like a hockey.

746
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: Pad who was.

747
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,239
Speaker 2: The guy on the team that you clicked with and

748
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: that you chilled with most outside of the. Court and

749
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: then the question for both of, you can you remember

750
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: a player that you that was that you were teammates

751
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: with that had the biggest impact on the team without

752
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: playing that many.

753
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: Minutes good, Question. CHARLOTTE i REALLY i chilled with. EVERYBODY

754
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: i was cool with.

755
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 4: Everybody me And jered went out to eat me AND

756
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 4: Dj Augustine's ghana d, Up Tymas thomas your, Shoutout, Goana Tymas,

757
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 4: Thomas dominic.

758
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: McGuire i really was cool with all the young.

759
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 4: Guys Jael, henderson you, KNOW i was, Cool Larry, Hughes Flip,

760
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 4: MURRAY i. WAS i was cool with all these. Guys

761
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 4: but the guy he's talking about this team or any any,

762
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 4: team guy that had impact on the team that didn't,

763
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 4: play uh, well.

764
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: In, indiana it Was Anthony. Johnson he.

765
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 4: Played he, Played, yeah he, played he played a little.

766
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 4: BIT i would HAVE i would Go San Antonio.

767
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: Steve kerr because he didn't. Play he didn't play it.

768
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 4: All that, year but he Had he had the biggest

769
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 4: influence every. Time he used to come out the game

770
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 4: just for. Me you, know When pop going, Off i'm

771
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 4: gonna piss me. Off he'll, Come you're gonna make. It

772
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 4: you're gonna make a shot to win this game for,

773
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 4: Us AND i go out there and end up hearing

774
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 4: the big. Shot you, know it's like he's like he's

775
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 4: seen ship.

776
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: Before you, Know, Steve Steve kurr was one of those.

777
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 4: Guys but to to to to go deeper into that

778
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 4: to make it really makes sense WHEN i played for

779
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 4: WHEN i played For Golden, State, JOSH i, mean excuse,

780
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 4: me not just A donald Fall Downah fall was on

781
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 4: our team the year for the we believe. RIGHT i

782
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 4: know he wasn't gonna, play you, know it was, crazy

783
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 4: but he but he was the biggest cheerleader on our.

784
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 4: TEAM i think he was working his way to working

785
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 4: into the, organization but all the little, things doing, timeouts

786
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 4: frustration on the, bus like he was the guy that

787
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 4: kept kept that team. TOGETHER i gotta give a Downa

788
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 4: fall his props because even though he didn't play that

789
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 4: much that, year we wouldn't have made to the playoffs

790
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 4: without the support and got Us Jack.

791
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 3: Damn that was a good. One yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

792
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 4: YEAH i can even Go Kevin willis.

793
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 3: TOO i just think it Took LIKE i played With,

794
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 3: Atlanta he's got the locker room and make sure the

795
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 3: young feelers, straight young, fellow get you Some willison. Walkers

796
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 3: come in here and buy you Some Willison, walkers come

797
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: get some. Where he had a gene. Company you know

798
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: WHAT i, mean get you? Straight uh, so, UH i

799
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 3: will have to, say damn, man that's. Tough BECAUSE i

800
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 3: played on a lot of veteran. TEAMS i would have

801
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 3: to say somebody, like uh, man that's a hard question

802
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 3: BECAUSE i like it like like like like he, SAID

803
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 3: i would think about it, too BUT i was, like,

804
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 3: nah but he.

805
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: Plays i'll give.

806
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: You i'll give you just one more last on. That

807
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: what percentage of a team's success is on the, court

808
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: the fit versus off the. Court who's in the locker,

809
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: room who's on the, bench how much you guys hang?

810
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 4: Out what do you think that it all? Matter all

811
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 4: of them come together to come?

812
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: Together if off equally is. Important, yes mix one with

813
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: if if you sixty.

814
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 4: On the, court locked, in but forty percent all, beefing

815
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 4: that's sixty percent keep going. Down but if you six

816
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 4: percent off the, court all, cool y'all families, together and

817
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 4: you've brought on the court by the end of that

818
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 4: season six.

819
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 3: Eighty, yes the ratio needs it starts off the. Court,

820
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 3: yes it is because we need to learn to agree to,

821
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: disagree and WHEN i see you out of here because you,

822
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 3: know sometimes some people perform in, there AND i understand

823
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: it's a. Job you don't do certain things on. Everybody,

824
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: yeah everybody don't do everything on the job like, that

825
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 3: you know WHAT i. Mean and everybody can in the.

826
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: League he.

827
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: Can this player can walk in smelling like last, NIGHT

828
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 3: i have to have showered and have my presentation. Together

829
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 3: he can walk in. Reaking i'm in there, early you,

830
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: know with a cup of, coffee needing to look like

831
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 3: a certain. Way everybody can't do everything in the, league

832
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: so LIKE i need to know how you are off

833
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 3: the court so that we can agree to. Disagree SO i, know,

834
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: okay he ain't on all, that but he in he

835
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 3: just you, know we just. Different, so like he, said

836
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 3: it's very important and the ratio has to get. Right

837
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 3: but the one off the court needs to be elevated

838
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 3: earlier than the on the. Court shit because the x's

839
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 3: and l is going to shake out over the, year

840
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: either through the coaches or us just coming together to you,

841
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 3: know put it.

842
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: Together. Facts so just two more things before we get

843
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: up out of. Here.

844
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: Stack you put on championship. Teams you made history Of

845
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: Golden state where does bring The bobcats to the playoffs

846
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 2: for the first time in franchise, history being the main

847
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 2: go to guy and having the number one defense in the.

848
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: League where does that rank on your career? Accomplishments just

849
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 2: in terms of like, Pride like you, know how proud

850
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: of you are that of? You how proud are you

851
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: of That charlotte, season even though you got swept in

852
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 2: the first round of the.

853
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 4: Playoffs you, KNOW i hold that right under the championship

854
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 4: because everything that was said about, me everything that people,

855
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 4: said AND i got a chance to be the face

856
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 4: of an. ORGANIZATION i had a chance to average the

857
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 4: most Points i've averaged in my career twenty some, points

858
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 4: twenty one. POINTS i THINK i got AN mvp vote that.

859
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 4: Year my team was in the team THAT i was,

860
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 4: leading was the number one defensive team in the. LEAGUE

861
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 4: i got the organization to the playoffs for the first.

862
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 4: Time all that coming, together it meant it meant everything to.

863
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 4: ME i THINK i hold that real close because a

864
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 4: lot of people had a lot of success in the,

865
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 4: league but they can't carry teams to the. Playoffs they

866
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 4: can't say they did. That AND i KNOW i should

867
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 4: have made The All star. GAME i KNOW i didn't make.

868
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 4: IT i KNOW i did make. It it wasn't because

869
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 4: because of, basketball was because of other. Things so everything

870
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 4: THAT i accomplished that, year being able to be the

871
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 4: number one, defense you, know get us to the, playoffs all,

872
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 4: THAT i hold that real close BECAUSE i was able

873
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 4: to do, that not on the not on the back

874
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 4: Of Tim, duncan not on the back Of jermaine. O'Neill you,

875
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 4: KNOW i WAS i was the go to player on that.

876
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 4: Team and to SAY i was able to carry it

877
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 4: and do something to what we. Did we didn't win the,

878
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 4: championship but we had a successful. Season I'm I'm I'M

879
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 4: i hold. THAT i hope that did to my.

880
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 2: Heart do you did you learn anything about like being

881
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: the go to? Guy because, really like if you're if

882
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 2: you're not showing, up like the team's probably not gonna.

883
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: Win.

884
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 2: UH i, MEAN i know you're always confident in yourself

885
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: and you're always ready to, Play but like anything in

886
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: that process that you learned or like tricks of the,

887
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: trade just like because being on and being on every

888
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 2: single day is hard and that's expected of. You AM

889
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 2: i overthinking? It is there anything you learned or is

890
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: it just as simple as like show up every day

891
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: and play your.

892
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 4: Hardiest, NAH i mean for, ME i mean to whom

893
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 4: much is, given much is. Required so with you being

894
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 4: a star, player with you being a guy that's getting

895
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 4: all the, shots obviously you're gonna have to take more

896
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 4: criticism when shit go. Wrong it's always your, fault whether

897
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 4: it's you know What i'm, saying whether you're playing well or.

898
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: Not that comes with.

899
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 4: It but you would take that that opportunity and deal

900
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 4: with all the bullshit that come with. It then not

901
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 4: take that, opportunity, RIGHT i players go through THE, nba

902
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 4: their career is dying to be a guy that has

903
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 4: the ultimate green, light you, know that got the go to,

904
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 4: guy the guy that's that you know What i'm, saying

905
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 4: the guy you one of, them the guy the guy

906
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 4: that the team, says this is our, guy you, know

907
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 4: doing all the photo, shoots you on all the tickets

908
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 4: and all.

909
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: That you know What i'm.

910
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 4: Saying that it felt good to do that consider everything

911
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 4: that was said about. Me so FOR mj to do

912
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 4: that for, ME i think it was big AND i

913
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 4: think that's why we had some success because we gave

914
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 4: everything for. HIM i, KNOW i gave everything for him

915
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 4: and we didn't win a, championship but seeing him on

916
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 4: the sideline we was in the, playoffs he Was he

917
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 4: was real excited about being being able to say his

918
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 4: team was.

919
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: There So i'm GLAD i had a part in.

920
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 3: That as a as a, player as a, fan as

921
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 3: a basketball, historian as somebody whose career went up and,

922
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 3: down havn't, started you, know injured, reserve you know WHAT i,

923
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 3: mean played on championship, teams playoff, teams. Whatever it's just

924
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 3: seeing somebody in staxed position and the guys in an

925
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 3: organization who has to show up every, day you know

926
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: WHAT i, mean you can create something special With. It

927
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 3: doesn't surprise me What charlotte did because he got an

928
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 3: opportunity to learn from some dope people who had to

929
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: show up every single. Day tim duncan you know just

930
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 3: the Whole it just just The San antonio experience alone

931
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 3: is you, know basically showing up every, day you playing for.

932
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 3: Chips so as a guy from the outside looking looking,

933
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 3: in as one of those guys he spoke, of, like, damn,

934
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: MAN i just want an opportunity, to you know WHAT i,

935
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 3: mean be the dude to goes for. Twenty it ain't

936
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 3: once you get that, opportunity like you know WHAT i,

937
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 3: mean you have to be cut from a particular claw

938
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: to maintain the trajectory of the twenty person to the

939
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 3: guy every single, day you, know from team to team

940
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 3: if it, happens because then your asset if you're penciled

941
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: in as the guy and you're having a season Like,

942
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: jack what we know we're gonna Get we're getting a,

943
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 3: Dub we're getting five, here we're getting four. There you

944
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 3: know WHAT i mean, That you know WHAT i, mean

945
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 3: the weight of, that you know WHAT i, mean mentally and,

946
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 3: physically it takes a. Toll and having played and he'd

947
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 3: been next to players who did, it you, know at that,

948
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 3: level it's just commendable because it ain't for. Everybody sometimes

949
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 3: we don't seen people get the opportunity as the guy

950
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 3: and then go right back to You And i'm gonna

951
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 3: go back to this four point, five five point seven.

952
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,479
Speaker 3: Score you ever wonder why people have a good year

953
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 3: and then they go somewhere and get some money and

954
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 3: then the cliff.

955
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 2: Happens, Well, Jack, also it's a big thing that people

956
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 2: say about players In San antonio in like a place Like,

957
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: miami a. System you're probably one of the only few

958
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 2: players that Left San antonio and continued to go. UP

959
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: a lot of times people get comfortable in that.

960
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 1: System name one Besides kawhi.

961
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 2: That Left San antonio and got. Better Derek white right

962
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: now is pretty.

963
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 3: Good oh?

964
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: Trendy how much. Trending But derek didn't do WHAT i

965
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: did In San.

966
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,959
Speaker 2: Antoni he didn't win a. Champion, now the teams weren't

967
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: any good when he was. There that's fair right.

968
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 4: Now he didn't do WHAT i did In San. Antonio

969
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 4: the only PERSON i would say Is kawhi Because kawhi

970
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 4: went and exceeded more THAN i can never.

971
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: Do but he. Did he did work In Santa tonya as.

972
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 3: Well i'm honestly trying to work through The, honestly nobody's

973
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 3: really coming to.

974
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 2: MIND a lot of players do the. Opposite last thing

975
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 2: before we get out of, here we didn't really talk ABOUT.

976
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 2: Mj BUT i know that's your, guy and we hear

977
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: so much about. HIM i, mean the stories are. Endless

978
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: there's an aura about. Him he's Intimidating Black. Jesus but

979
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: your experience WITH, mj IF i remember, correctly was a

980
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: little bit. Different you found out That MJ's kind of

981
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 2: like a normal dude wants to. Win but, uh take

982
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: us back to when you when you MET mj on

983
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 2: The bobcats and just what your relationship was with him

984
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 2: and during the season also was he ever giving you?

985
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 2: Game you, know picking apart your your, Performances like what

986
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: WAS mj being there like for?

987
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: You it meant everything to.

988
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 4: ME i, mean you, know the, favorite my favorite player

989
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 4: of all time to GO i. HAD i had a

990
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 4: chance to play like a couple of months against them

991
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 4: WITH i got traded AND i had a great, game and,

992
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 4: uh somebody came from behind and, said good, game.

993
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: Motherfuck a good. Game that's What i'm talking.

994
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 4: About And i'm thinking, this you know somebody THAT i really,

995
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 4: know you know What i'm. Saying but just the, smell you,

996
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 4: know just the.

997
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 3: Boys every M j, cologne that's that M j.

998
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 4: Column, yeah this this this wasn't a normal. Motherfucker it's

999
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 4: just nothing was normal about. It just everything like just

1000
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 4: changed when he, MAN i turned around almost passed, out

1001
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 4: like Like, jesus you, know but you know WHAT i,

1002
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 4: MEAN i was all WHEN i saw me AND I sugar's,

1003
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 4: HAND i was just you know in all that he knew.

1004
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: My, name he knew WHO i. Was you know What i'm,

1005
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: Saying this IS. Mj bro so.

1006
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 4: Fast, forward you know a couple of months that was

1007
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 4: His that was him telling, me you, Know i'm trying

1008
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 4: to get you to come play for.

1009
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: Me that was him telling me.

1010
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 4: That, Yeah AND i got Pictures bro of me sitting

1011
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 4: on the, sideline me talking to him during the.

1012
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: GAME i come out the, Game i'm asking.

1013
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 4: Him he telling me certain stuff that he see that

1014
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 4: he THAT i should do with how he it should,

1015
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 4: be you can't guard you like all that type of.

1016
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 4: Stuff i'm looking forward to it because how many how

1017
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 4: many people can say, that how many people can say

1018
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 4: that they're sitting on the sideline WITH mj getting game

1019
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 4: from M.

1020
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: J how many people can say they played FOR.

1021
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 4: Mj how many people can say that they had a

1022
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 4: big part of getting It Michael jordan's franchise to the

1023
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 4: playoffs for the first.

1024
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,959
Speaker 2: Time A loane bright.

1025
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: Spot you know What i'm.

1026
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 4: Saying so so everything ANYTIME i could, act even with the,

1027
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 4: talking the trash and, practice me and him and going

1028
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 4: back and me and him going back and forth because

1029
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 4: he wanted because he wasn't playing well and he had

1030
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 4: to come in and give us some tough love so

1031
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 4: we can get back to playing well and humble.

1032
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: Ourselves we appreciated all that because it's just.

1033
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 4: Mj because if you're gonna take that from, anybody you

1034
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 4: can take it From Michael.

1035
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 3: Jordan, facts, Facts but but hold, on but what if

1036
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 3: you can't take it anyway and you're taking it From Michael,

1037
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 3: Jordan there's a down there's a downside to that. Too

1038
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 3: you gotta be if you can't take, it if you

1039
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 3: can't take it, anyway if you're having problems you, know

1040
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: taking it, anyway and then on top of, that you're

1041
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 3: taking it From Michael. Jordan no freaky you know that

1042
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 3: that can, take that can, tank that can turn your career.

1043
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 3: Right it's like it's not only is it a, coach

1044
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 3: it's like or the president of the team with THE

1045
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 3: Gm like it's, like you, know If Mitch kapchak come

1046
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 3: down talking, talking you, know talking crazy to we need

1047
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 3: you to do. That it's, like, Okay but if It's

1048
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 3: Michael jordan's coming down instant or does can it tear?

1049
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 3: You it can easily tear you. Down you played with.

1050
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 3: Him i'm Just i'm Just i'm just thinking, objectively, like

1051
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 3: can did you see it tear anybody? Down you strong?

1052
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 3: WILLED i know, YOU i know you like a large

1053
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 3: part of.

1054
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: It that's a good. Question but let me tell you

1055
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: why it.

1056
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 4: Didn't because we had young guys Like Joe, Henderson Joe,

1057
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 4: BROWN Dj augustine Bro they loved, it you, know and

1058
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 4: because you Know, mike they wasn't even playing that. Much

1059
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 4: So mike actually was working out with them after practice

1060
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 4: when we all, Gone mike actually working out with, them

1061
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 4: so he was on them harder than he was. Us

1062
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 4: but then, AGAIN i, say when you're in THE nba,

1063
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 4: too and you, Right, johnny some guys could take it.

1064
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 4: Wrong but when you're in THE nba and you playing

1065
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 4: for a guy Like Michael, jordan if you take it

1066
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 4: the wrong.

1067
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: Way that's something you dealing.

1068
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 4: With, yeah BECAUSE i guarantee, you if it's about basketball

1069
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 4: and it's about his, organization it's coming from the right.

1070
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 1: Place you know What i'm. Saying he's saying what's need

1071
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: to be.

1072
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 4: Said if you taking it the wrong, Way i'm pretty

1073
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 4: sure that's something you dealing.

1074
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: With have you have you been back To charlotte since

1075
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: you left, there like have you have you been a

1076
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: part of the organization at all or not?

1077
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: Yet? Nah you KNOW i, Haven't and to be honest with,

1078
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: You i'm hurt by.

1079
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 4: IT i see them bringing people, back you know What i'm,

1080
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 4: Saying and Like Golden.

1081
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: State why this WHY i speak so?

1082
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 4: High Let Golden state because that's the only organization that

1083
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 4: showed me that they appreciate What i've done for my time,

1084
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 4: there you know What i'm. Saying AND i Feel. CHARLOTTE

1085
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 4: I i still got records In. CHARLOTTE i still got

1086
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 4: records In. Charlotte how many of the? Plays how many

1087
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 4: name of? Players AS i, left they got AN mvp.

1088
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 2: VOTE i Mean kemba is the only dude that did

1089
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 2: anything of? Much maybe he got. ONE i don't even, know,

1090
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: though you know What i'm.

1091
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 4: Saying so LIKE i, KNOW i KNOW i left the

1092
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 4: stay In charlotte on a good note basketball, wise AND

1093
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 4: i think you, Know i'm gonna always have a bad

1094
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 4: taste in my. Mouth no freaky For San antonio And

1095
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 4: charlotte BECAUSE i think they owe me some type.

1096
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: Of Rhythms With.

1097
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: Charlotte you heard it here. FIRST i mean you're in

1098
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 2: the headlines for the wrong reasons for bringing certain players

1099
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: back in the midst of, allegations Bring Stephen jackson back

1100
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 2: and celebrate. HIM i MEAN i, WOULD i would, come

1101
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: AND i think that would be only. Right we shouldn't

1102
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 2: even have to. Ask all, Right, Stack we appreciate, you.

1103
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: Man this was Great forgotten. Seasons catch us Every. Wednesday

1104
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: catch you guys next. Week piece of appreciate.

1105
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: Y'all