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Speaker 1: Oh, how's it going everybody? Ben O'Brien Hunting Collective, Episode

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Speaker 1: seventy eight. We're back again. It's Elk season. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: do something a little bit different for this show, rather

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Speaker 1: than the format we've been going with lately. I just

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Speaker 1: feel like we haven't told enough hunting stories lately, and

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Speaker 1: we had. We got you hyped last week for Elk Season.

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Speaker 1: We talked to a bunch of cool hunters from around

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Speaker 1: but now we've pulled in three of our favorite meat

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Speaker 1: eater hunting fools and we got Ryan cal callaghan. We

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Speaker 1: got Joe Fernando Meteator scouting manager, and Sam Longer and

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Speaker 1: Meteator's fishing editor, but also an elk killer, as you'll

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Speaker 1: hear pretty soon. We want to just get together, tell

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Speaker 1: the stories from opening day, tell our elk stories up

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Speaker 1: to this point the season, comparing contrasts, see what we

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Speaker 1: can learn, see what we can find out. It was

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Speaker 1: great man, a lot of good stories, a lot of

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Speaker 1: good chatter, so hopefully you enjoy it. But before we

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Speaker 1: get to that, we're gonna go talk about first Light.

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Speaker 1: First Light you're gonna hear from Ryan cal callaghan here

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Speaker 1: in a minute. But if you go to First Light's website,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna see his early season antalopen elk kit, which

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Speaker 1: I think is a good run for anyone looking to

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Speaker 1: put together your kid. And we talked about We've talked

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Speaker 1: Cow's wearing. That's pretty similar to my kit. But if

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Speaker 1: you go to first light dot com you can check

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Speaker 1: out what old Cow's up to, what he's wearing out

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Speaker 1: in the field. Hopefully you'll enjoy that. Without further Ado,

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Speaker 1: Episode seventy eight. I guess I grew up on an

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Speaker 1: older road, bared to the meadals. I always did what

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Speaker 1: from the Hey, everybody, welcome the un in collective. It's

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Speaker 1: September ten, right Sam, correct, thank you, We're in Elk season.

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Speaker 1: It was opening weekend Antana, the latest opening weekend ever

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Speaker 1: is good though it has turned out to be very good.

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Speaker 1: It's a fantastic thing. I'm here with bassal of beauties. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Col's looking at me like you're gonna keep going with

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Speaker 1: the bees bust busty beauties here. Uh Joe Fern and

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Speaker 1: say hey, Joe, hey, everybody, you're the community manage for

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Speaker 1: me either, are you not? You read all the emails

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Speaker 1: too many? Yeah, so be nice to Joe. You ever

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Speaker 1: see him on the street, because he's got his finger

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Speaker 1: on the pulse and he's got the coolest beat of

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Speaker 1: any journalist I've ever heard of. Yeah, what's your what's

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Speaker 1: your telling? What your beat is? On? Your beat? At

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Speaker 1: the Meteor dot Com, I'm the bad Ship editor. I

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Speaker 1: get to report on all the bad stuff that happens

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Speaker 1: people get mauled, people falling off close. Yeah. Have we

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Speaker 1: so send him that stuff and not you're chafing photos

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Speaker 1: because that was a bad period in Yeah, Joe, it

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Speaker 1: into a very dark place. Joe is the voice, He's

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Speaker 1: really the voice of the email because he reads everything.

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Speaker 1: So before you hit send, just know that it's going

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Speaker 1: to affect Joe's life tremendously. And please please don't send

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Speaker 1: me pictures of your chafing. Yeah, I mean traumatic content

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Speaker 1: and emails just to a strangers. Just yeah that ship. Well,

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Speaker 1: Hey Phil, I'm back on the white Claw meme train.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'm back into it. You love it again,

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Speaker 1: I'm back into it. Okay. A couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: specific meme that brought you back. No, but there was

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Speaker 1: a shortage of white claws in America, Yeah, recently, and

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Speaker 1: meme train. That stuff is everywhere. Um my long road

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Speaker 1: start talking stories really during your alcome yes, wow, god

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go through ah our stories of our opening

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Speaker 1: you spot four grizzlies you know in your A spot.

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Speaker 1: from a road you see you know, heard of cows

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00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 1: in a bull in August. You're like, okay, like that,

426
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: that's a starting point. So we found this private road

427
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: we found where we saw some elk that were, you know,

428
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: like they were just in the in a pocket of

429
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: landlocked stake ground. And then we rode up into the

430
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 1: national forest and picked the drainages that we thought they

431
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 1: were going to funnel back up into once they're off

432
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: the egg and set up in the first closest one

433
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: we could get to for a Saturday morning, and and

434
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: it it was pretty much on from there. So it

435
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 1: was we were going in there blind. We had never

436
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 1: been we had been to that spot but never been

437
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: in on that trail. So I mean it, you can

438
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: either have scouted it every day like Sam did, like

439
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,959
Speaker 1: Joe did, or be I was fairly blind. You were

440
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: fairly blind cow in different situations. So there's a lot

441
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 1: of ways to get to the point where you're like,

442
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,199
Speaker 1: now I gotta find an elk. And so had you

443
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: ever say I've ever seen the bullet you killed before

444
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: you killed it. I hadn't seen him up close, but

445
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: we saw that the whole herd, so I was looking

446
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 1: at him from ways off. I didn't like necessarily, you know,

447
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: mark him or anything there were with the main herd.

448
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 1: There was there was one big herd bowl and then

449
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: this one, and then a couple of little rag horns

450
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: and spikes. But then there's a big bachelor group that

451
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: was kind of shadowing them. But I know I didn't

452
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 1: like identify this bowl. I didn't. I mean I it

453
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 1: was probably less than less than sixty seconds between when

454
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,239
Speaker 1: I saw him first and when I was putting an

455
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: arrow through him. It was it all happened very fast.

456
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 1: It's very crazy, chaotic sprinting situation. Joe, You've we don't

457
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: want to tell people about this giant elfit you spotted.

458
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 1: It sounds like everybody knows about it. Everybody in the

459
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: office knows about it. It sounds like everyone Bozeman knows

460
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:59,719
Speaker 1: about it. You know. We we saw a bowl and

461
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: we were up scouting it and it was like that,

462
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: that's the bowl that we want. So we we took

463
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: that as we're going to go up there regardless of

464
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: the situation because weather wasn't supposed to be great and

465
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: everything in high mountains. And we saw him and he

466
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: got the drive going. So we ran up there and

467
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: unfortunately couldn't locate him this weekend. Really we we thought

468
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: we found the herd that he was with, but we

469
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: got close. Um Tie had him at about seventy yards

470
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: that heard and he said the bowl that was with

471
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 1: him was different, and uh, looking at him from a distance,

472
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 1: we were all like, yep, that's it. But we had

473
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: a lot of fog rolling in it was kind of

474
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: hard to identify. But unfortunately we couldn't find him. We

475
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 1: heard a couple of bugles that sounded like his, but

476
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: other than that, the video you show me that he

477
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: was rolling on this like ridge top just just let go. Yeah,

478
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: I mean beautiful, Yeah, there's something about hunting seasons opening,

479
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 1: then make big, magnificent bowls that you scouted and just

480
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: di pioud jump right into a hole in the ground

481
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: somewhere and don't come. That's happened to be a number

482
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: of times where I've found both huge bowls in the

483
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: summer and then I come back and hunting season and

484
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: all their satellites are still kicking around, but they are

485
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: just they've vanished. You hear the white tail hunter like

486
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: old stickers. Yeah, the swamp buck. Swamp buck seen it

487
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: for four years and then next year he was gone,

488
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: and then two years later he's back or sheds or dead,

489
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: his found or whatever. Um. All right, well we've established

490
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 1: that Joe and I are still have tags in our pockets. Um.

491
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: Cal have you told this story anywhere? Your elk story? No? Um,

492
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: I mean it's I got a bowl. It was you know,

493
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, big chunk of private grounds. So you get

494
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: a lot of chips stacked in your favor. But it's

495
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: still old hunting and archery, l hunting and traditional archer.

496
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: You take it to another level. I don't believe in

497
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: that at all. Um, you don't think you don't think

498
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: it's harder if it weren't an effective weapon, I wouldn't

499
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: be hunting with it. And I just I hate this

500
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: culture of like, yeah, but let me define the fact

501
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: that this is what I'm doing. Well, if it was, well,

502
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: this is like you've kind of a lot of people

503
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: like to talk about the struggle stick, yeah, which I

504
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: think is you've kind of got this well, you've kind

505
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: of there. There is like we've we've got the nomenclature

506
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: of like you can't just be like I killed an elk.

507
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: Really I have killed a public land traad bow elk.

508
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: You have to kind of line up exactly so your

509
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: your adjectives are like I D I Y, private land

510
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: tread bow. It's all. It doesn't even make any sense. Yes, yeah,

511
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: it was like you were trying to make it hard

512
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: and easy at the same time. Yeah, and so yeah,

513
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: again like tons stacked in the favor. There wasn't like this,

514
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I hope the elk are still there.

515
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,719
Speaker 1: There wasn't any of this, you know, any of like

516
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: the normal stuff of like somebody else is gonna get

517
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: in here, I gotta make this happen. Um. But as

518
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: like so many times with New Spots, UM, the first

519
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: night was like arguably one of the best nights and

520
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: and had this you know, gorgeous big bullet about thirty

521
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: yards and was point two seconds from uh letting an

522
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: arrow fly and um, you know, and then he saw

523
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: something he didn't like and and that was that And

524
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: ended up just kind of like laying on this mountain

525
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: until it was dark enough to try to get out

526
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: of there without spooking everything. Um. And but like big Bachelor,

527
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: groups of bowls, zero cows um, and that was like

528
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: the difficult part where there were just so many elk

529
00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: there you were never dealing with a single bowl situation. Um.

530
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: And tried waiting them out as they were moving up

531
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: to water and and better feed in the evenings. Um.

532
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: And you know, I had like some measures of success

533
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: doing that, like the pick out where you think they're

534
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: gonna go and cut them off and um. And then

535
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, just tried stalking in on a few and

536
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: had again some measures of success and and failure on

537
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: that as well. And then um, you know, really it

538
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: was like kind of a combination of both. At the

539
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: end of that ended up shooting a bowl. So like

540
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: Snucky in or you're trying to film this and this

541
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: is gonna be it will be seen on Yeah future

542
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: project with Cole's Weekend Review. Yeah. Um and gotten this

543
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: great conversation and we're talking with multiple bowls and then

544
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: you know, there's one bowl that is just noticeably bigger

545
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: by sound, and it's just like super growlly and uh

546
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: And ended up dropping in and and getting on top

547
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: of him. UM And I bet he had moved tan

548
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: yards from his bed, and UM, and I think that

549
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: was really the thing I was able to, you know,

550
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: super dry, crunchy ground, walking on top of him, and

551
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: UM would bugle and he'd respond, and I sat I

552
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: had watched him bugle three times broadside at thirty five

553
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: yards with just not a great shot. And then UM

554
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: walked in to about twenty four yards on him, just calling,

555
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: and every time he dropped his head, I had crunch, crunch,

556
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: crunch and call and and you know, he just was

557
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: an old bull and didn't care about He knew the

558
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: cow noises I was making weren't like serious love making

559
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: noises because it just wasn't that time year yet, and

560
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: he was a old, big body dude and knew that

561
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: the bugles weren't It wasn't anything that was going to

562
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: bother him either, I didn't care, right, so I just basically,

563
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, slowly got walking on him and cut him

564
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: off a little bit as he was feeding. Um, you know,

565
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: through like twenty minutes of moving from thirty five to

566
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: twenty four yards and and um, are you crawling at

567
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: this point? Are you standing just crouched walking? He makes

568
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: so much noise crawling too, and that's like unnatural noise also.

569
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: But like a couple of crunch crunch crunch footsteps everything.

570
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: Could he have looked over and see saw you? Or

571
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: is he like done a ridge where he couldn't have

572
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: he He looked right at me a couple of times. Yeah,

573
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: And I just made the biggest thing is like I

574
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: never stand behind anything because that's a great way to

575
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,719
Speaker 1: observe wildlife, not kill it. Um, So I just make

576
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: sure I have a good backdrop. You know, I'll be

577
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: whenever possible. But um, and I have this big cliff

578
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: wall behind me and a super steep, super steep country.

579
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: You're not skyline, you're not sticking out, poking out. Yeah,

580
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: that's a good point to make people for people to remember, like,

581
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: hide behind something isn't always the best way to go. Yeah,

582
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: if they can see your silhouette. You're your host. But

583
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: if you're you're crouched and and have something behind you,

584
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: you can look at them all day. We had some

585
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: cows walk by us at like fifteen yards, just crouched

586
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: out in open grass i. You know, my story is

587
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: very similar to like call a bull in he kind

588
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: of he sees you the first time, rolls awaite, call again,

589
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: Just then just stand up and kind of move with him.

590
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: Then they're not gonna they're intrigued enough to not to

591
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: They're gonna need a good reason to bolt out. And frankly,

592
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: ilk have terrible eyesight relative to white tails and mule here.

593
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I've had big Muley's picked me off at

594
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: like a thousand yards trying like, oh we can totally

595
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: dip through this saddle and get up and around. Come

596
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: down that mule he's bed. He there's no way he's

597
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: gonna see us. Every white every white shuners listening to

598
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: this knows that that when that dough steps out in

599
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: the field, like the fawns come out first, and then

600
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: the dough steps out like two hundred yards away and

601
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,239
Speaker 1: looks right up at your tree standing bullshit, there's no

602
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: way I'm not moving at all, but like she can't

603
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: see me. If you swear she can't, she can continue

604
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: cal with here, I mean. So, so that was it.

605
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,479
Speaker 1: I had a perfect broadside shot at twenty four yards

606
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: and there was more. Yeah, I'll let let an arrow fly,

607
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: and um sounded like a good hit. Um the bowl

608
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: reacted like it was shot in the heart. UM, like

609
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: the whole body posture changed. Um. You know, I just

610
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: had that look of like crashing the whole time. And

611
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: um probably ran hundred and twenty yards maybe, And then

612
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: I saw i'd hit the brakes and make it hard

613
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: ninety degree turn on what turned out to be a

614
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: game trail down there, and what turned out to be

615
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: a game trail directly above a cliff. Um, and yeah,

616
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: made a couple of steps, and then I heard a

617
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: major crash, and then like three seconds later I heard

618
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: another big crash, and then like five seconds later another

619
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: heard and I was like, oh, it sounds like he

620
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: fell all the way to the bottom, ha ha ha.

621
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: But he did. He went six d vertical feet we

622
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: think them off several cliffs and it was terrible. Did

623
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: you lose much of meat out of that? You know?

624
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: Surprisingly there was a lot of trauma. Um, but surprisingly

625
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't all. It wasn't as bad as it Like

626
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: the initial impression was bad, bad, um, but it wasn't. Oh.

627
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: I mean honestly, like you opened that thing up and

628
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: yours like man, just walk away. Like I even made

629
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: the comment, I was like, man, I wonder if the

630
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: Oregon Fishing Game give me a cow tag because this

631
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: is like demos beat up thing I've seen. But um,

632
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: I think all the fat that this guy had on him,

633
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: just the fat was literally obliterated. It's like it's nothing

634
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: that I've ever seen. Um. If I could post these pictures,

635
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: i would because it is just like nothing I have

636
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: ever seen. And I've recovered a lot of a lot

637
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: of animals and um, but like the fat matter was

638
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: like busted down into like particulate size and distributed everywhere.

639
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: I've just absorbed the blow. Did you feel like he

640
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: free fell he had to have or did he slide

641
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: the entirety? Yeah, there's at least two spots where that

642
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 1: whole and there's a huge bodied bowl. Um, that whole

643
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,959
Speaker 1: thing was airborne for you know, was at least six

644
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: eight feet off the ground two or three times so

645
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: at least at a minimum two times six dred feet

646
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: for those can't picture it, only spend a lot of

647
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: time mountains. That's a f and long way. That's a

648
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: long way, and it doesn't sound like a lot, but

649
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: if you if I said hikes six d feet, it's

650
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: going to be half as that is a long drop.

651
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: And it went so fast and these are all like

652
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 1: active rock slides like Big Hell's Canyon type country. Went

653
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: so fast that um like there was like no blood.

654
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: Um there was you know, it's just like active rockfall

655
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: and um. So you know you kind of start second

656
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: guessing yourself because there's a lot of places where that

657
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: bowl should have hung up. And um, I'm always very

658
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 1: hesitant to drop elevation, um unless I know going down

659
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: is the right thing. So um, I was going slow

660
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: and and and doing a lot of looking. And it

661
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: was actually the chunks of horn, like the pure white

662
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: core of the horn that it was like the oh yeah,

663
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: the bowl had to come through here because this is

664
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: where his antlers exploded on the rock. And so you're

665
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: like picking up little chunks of antler on your way

666
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: down the mountain. But yeah, you went went through that stuff.

667
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: Um again at times literally not touching the ground. Um

668
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: so fast that there was you know, I was like, yes,

669
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 1: he's got to be down this fall line, judging judging

670
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: from what I've seen, but you know it's pitch black,

671
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: and you always second guess yourself. Well that's what it is.

672
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: You shut the bull right around the dusk, right, Yeah,

673
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 1: which I hate doing and I've I've passed up shots

674
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: um beat just purely off of that in the past

675
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: because I just don't like dealing with it. Um and uh.

676
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: But I knew that there was an old two track

677
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: road in the bottom of this thing. I was gonna say,

678
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: how the hell you get out of there? Right? So

679
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: I do that and it was a great shot. And

680
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: you know I had in order to come back and hunt.

681
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,479
Speaker 1: It would have been another twenty hours of driving around

682
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 1: trip and the last day and there's a bowl twenty

683
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: four yards from me, you know, so U or last

684
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: day of that hunt. So yeah, and it was Yeah,

685
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: it was just just amazing. So it was it was

686
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: an hour and a half picking my way down that

687
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: slope in the dark. Yeah. Uh. Ultimately, UM find it

688
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: about a hundred and fifty yards from the from their

689
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: bottom of the of the canyon there and and you know,

690
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: probably another hundred yards that they're relatively flat creek crossing

691
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: to get to get him to the road. So a

692
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: percentage of his antlers were gone. I mean I've seen

693
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: I've seen kind of a couple of shots of him,

694
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 1: but half of his rack. I think he was five

695
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: by six or something in there. And it's just like

696
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: an old bowl that is, you know, heavy ball. But

697
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: um uh, he is now a three by four with

698
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: the So he's broken right up right above his brow

699
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:29,479
Speaker 1: times on the one side, and then he's broken um yeah,

700
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 1: he's broken above his third on the other side. But

701
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: there's part of that split there, so you could still

702
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: count that as a as number four if you wanted to.

703
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: Um and yeah around it's just a good, real good

704
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: memory maker for sure. Yeah, there's a lot of people

705
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: that talk about the struggles, thick or not. There's a

706
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: lot of people that hunt for a long time with

707
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: trad equipment and don't kill any bowl, let alone practice

708
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: man practice. Are you eating any of it yet? Ate?

709
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 1: The heart had smart sandwich is real good good. Last night.

710
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: That's what you gotta do, is that the thing you

711
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: gotta do the night you kill a bull. I'm not

712
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: a big fan of like just eating the straps or something.

713
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: That night, I I I typically will will do it

714
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: that night or the next night. With that night we

715
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: did a tenderloin just because it was easier, because you know,

716
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: get it flaying the heart um and getting it nice,

717
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: unless you're just gonna core it um. I like to

718
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: take take my time, get my cutting station. I'll set

719
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: up and do that. So I I I never freeze hearts,

720
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: you know, I always always have them early. But yeah,

721
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: tender loins typically might go to for that night just

722
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: because the tenderlins dry out so damn fast. Like if

723
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: you're trying to age the rest of your meat, tenderlins

724
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: can just I mean, it's been more more for deer

725
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: than elk, but they'll just shrivel up into nothings. Yeah,

726
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: conversations like very rarely to the tenderloins make it from

727
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: the field to the freezer. It's just like field and

728
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: then into the stomach. Yes, yeah, you and the heart

729
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: capraise saying is that what it was saying? That looks

730
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: damn good. I think I might do that tonight. I

731
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: kept one of the lobes of the heart just strongly

732
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: suggest you do. And I don't find anything wrong with

733
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: breezing them because there is so much material that you

734
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: trim off a heart anyway, you know. So, Um so,

735
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: I've had a lot that I have a problem freezing it.

736
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: It's just that that's like my favorite thing to eat

737
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: well plus get started right. It's like I get meat

738
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: hoarding situations all the time. But I think the best

739
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: rule of thumb if you can. It's like, if you

740
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: can let all that meat rest for twenty four hours,

741
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: that's going to be the best move. But yeah, man,

742
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: tender loins, there's there's no reason tenderlins need to make

743
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: it off the mountain if you're in that situation when

744
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: if you're truly parting an elk all the way out. Yeah,

745
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: I just there's a there's a decent amount of trimming

746
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: on a tenderloin anyway. Yeah, that's a difference between an

747
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: elk and a deer, right and elk. There's enough on

748
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: a tenderloin that could make a meal. I fed four

749
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: people on that tender line. Yeah, with a backstraps the

750
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 1: whole different story. But the tender loin, for sure, Um well,

751
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: we'll get to that. I want to get to like

752
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do with these dead k the two

753
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 1: that we got in the room saying we gotta hear

754
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: we gotta hear your tail set us up. You're in

755
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,959
Speaker 1: a very hard to get to spot with a ship

756
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: ton of elk coming through. Yeah, not terribly hard to

757
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: get to, just hard to hard to figure out, hard

758
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: to realize that there's elk in there. And I was surprised.

759
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be there was gonna be

760
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: an overrun with with hunters, and we we saw a

761
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 1: couple of other guys who were just doing it wrong,

762
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: and then they got out of there. I don't think

763
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: they saw us. I don't think they knew that we

764
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: had a bull down or anything. But um so, yeah,

765
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: we we we got a good feel for it last week.

766
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: Uh and set made this whole game plan. I was

767
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: gonna be on the first ridge after they come out

768
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: of this little creek. Jake was going to go down

769
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: into the willows and try to be like in the

770
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: creek bottom where they can't where they come into after

771
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: leaving the agg fields. But we we were hiking in

772
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: and um, I just decided to completely throw the plan

773
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: out of the window. The wind was doing the wrong thing.

774
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: It was blowing kind of towards them instead of a

775
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: way like we thought it was going to um and

776
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: we could hear Elk talking in the creek in the dark.

777
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 1: Let me scroll this back little ways, because I promised,

778
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: because I prefaced this. Oh yes, we we we left.

779
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: We both left our houses at one thirty in the

780
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: morning on on Saturday to be able to do this

781
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: right because we knew how you know, we timed everything.

782
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 1: We knew the drive time, we knew the hike time.

783
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: How much sleep you're working on? About two hours I've

784
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: been there, yeah, because I tried to go to bed

785
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: with like three hours and I couldn't fall asleep, and

786
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: and went and had a ben a drill just to

787
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: try to get myself to go down for a minute. Um.

788
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I was. I was very woozy, didn't

789
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: have time to make coffee like I The first alarm

790
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: went off and I was like, oh, yeah, cool, I'm

791
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: getting up and everything. Look at me get up and

792
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: you know, having like a dream of getting up and

793
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: getting packed and stuff. And then the second alarm went

794
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: off and I was like, oh, ship, I'm supposed to

795
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: meet Jaking fifteen minutes and look, I packed the car

796
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: the night before, but didn't have time to have coffee.

797
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 1: Just grabbed some stuff out of the fridge and wolf

798
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: it down, just brought to me with the car, or

799
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: brought to the car and ate it on the way. Um.

800
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: But yeah, so we we ran out there. We got

801
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: to the spot at like three in the morning, and

802
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: we we we were a little early. And uh, there

803
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: was a white claw in my back seat, yes, and

804
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: we just we decided to split it. What flavor black cherry.

805
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: You'll never forget that thing. I never forget every time

806
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: you drink. Every time you drink a black cherry, white claw,

807
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: you'll taste the running bull. We probably wasn't running. And

808
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: Jake said something very prescient. He's like, man, if we

809
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: kill a bowl this morning, you know we're gonna have

810
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: to have a white cloth before we go hunting every time.

811
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lucky thing. And then like Sam,

812
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 1: Sam got diabetes. It was I mean, sitting sitting there

813
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: like in the truck, like we're just like you know,

814
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: we saw it. We wanted to be the first truck there,

815
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: so if somebody showed up, we could kind of be

816
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: be walking if we saw headlights, but we didn't really

817
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: need to be in there at that early. But sitting

818
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: there in the truck, I mean, this is the most

819
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: degenerate thing I've ever done in in my life. Let

820
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: me just say, let's cover that for a second. What

821
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: do you guys all think about? Because I had this

822
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: My story has this kind of on the tail in.

823
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: But how you like, if you have a parking spot

824
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: or a poll in spot and you're either the first truck,

825
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: secondary or whatever. How how what's the how do you

826
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: handle the situations? Oh? Man, there's there's a lot of

827
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: etiquette tied up in that question. It kind of depends

828
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: on the size of the area. I got all a

829
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, get to some spot and

830
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: if there's a truck there, I'm like, oh, well, hell

831
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: going to the next spot just because Yeah, I guess

832
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: the better question is victory hunting, just one person can

833
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: disturb a lot of country. Well even for even for

834
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: you cal like when you're what's the scenario where you

835
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: will see a truck and still go in it? It's

836
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: like a single we had a situation was like a

837
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: single trail head. One truck can get into the gated

838
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: portion of it like you could pull into the gate

839
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: and walk at the rest of the trail. So if

840
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: there's one truck, it's pretty clear like you're not there's

841
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: nowhere else to be and we and I've seen and

842
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: I've seen I saw this weekend a couple of times

843
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 1: where guys that just drive to the top of the canyon,

844
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: to the top of the drainage and then probably drop

845
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: in the top, knowing that there's somebody in the bottom,

846
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, and so like, what's the spatial awareness that

847
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 1: you have to have in those situations? Yeah, it's tough.

848
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: I mean I know a lot of spots well enough

849
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: to where, um, you know, I'll walk up with people

850
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: with my head lamp off, watch their head lamp decisions

851
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: in the middle of an and be like cow's watching. Okay,

852
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 1: they're going this way, then this way, and bush animals

853
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: that way, and I know I'll never see them. Um,

854
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: where the odds are, I will never see them. If

855
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 1: you're walking in the dark in the woods, cow could

856
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: be watching you. Oh absolutely, This phobia is always watching. Yeah,

857
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: major phobia of running out of batteries and so I

858
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: consequently basically never use anything battery powered. Like I've walked

859
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: so many miles. That makes sense in the moonlight me too, man,

860
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: just been like I do that. I do that very

861
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: deliberately and all kind of a couple of times I've

862
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: kind of snapped at friends, like, dude, don't turn on

863
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: your head lamp. You're gonna ruin it. Like the dude

864
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 1: with their super bright head lamp is is the dick

865
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: of and they always have it on right in your face. Yeah,

866
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: and avoiding your phone screen is important there too. That's

867
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: it takes. I've read that it takes uh forty five

868
00:47:55,360 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: minutes for your eyes to fully adjust to low lights situations,

869
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: So you want to keep them, you know, keep them developing.

870
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, you absolutely have to develop this attitude. And

871
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: it's taking me a long time, but I absolutely have

872
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: it now to where I absolutely know that somebody's going

873
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: to be at the spot I picked. So if I

874
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: get up there and there's a truck there, then I

875
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: just go pick another spot. Um. But if there's not

876
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: a truck there, I'm like, Okay, they probably dropped in

877
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: here from a different direction, but at least there's nobody

878
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 1: parked here at least. Yeah, if you're gonna hunt public lands,

879
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: you've got to have a pretty thick skin about it,

880
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: because it's everybody's everybody has every right to be out

881
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: there too, and you're just gonna you're just gonna see

882
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 1: people and you just have to you have to thicken

883
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: your skin over and like you can't situation saying like

884
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if somebody's parked where you guys are

885
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: parked red because there's that checkerboard of the public private interface,

886
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: Like there's so many means of access that you just

887
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: can't account for. Um, so you gotta you gotta just

888
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, we're gonna dedicate I'm warning to this

889
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 1: and and see you see we can get lucky. That's

890
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: how I built my mindset for this. I was like,

891
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: I am assuming this is gonna be overrun with hunters

892
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,479
Speaker 1: and they're gonna blow out all of the elk before dawn,

893
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna go hike in somewhere else and

894
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: that's okay, that's where that's we were talking about that

895
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: on my hunt. I was like, we're going into a

896
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: place we don't know anything about. This is we are

897
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: I had the privilege of it being public and we

898
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: can explore it like it could be exploratory. How many

899
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: hunters are there, how many elk are there? How easy

900
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: is the access? Is this a place? Is this a

901
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: spot or is this just a place? Like is this

902
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: a spot we could go back to, or just a

903
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: place where there might be an elk? Like that is

904
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: fun to me. Like I spent my entire life thinking

905
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,439
Speaker 1: about moving west to like the first time I saw

906
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: loan some dove, or the first time I saw an

907
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: elk go down, you know, the first time I thought about, Man,

908
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 1: you know, one day I could be like a resident

909
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: elk hunter. Maybe that might be cool. I finally got

910
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: there and I was like feeling that, like, oh dude,

911
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm here for this reason, to explore this place,

912
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: to see if there is a spot close to my

913
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: my house, if there is, like if I can have

914
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: that experience. And I pretty quickly found that that that

915
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: I could. Um, but it's it's not a gimme. Like

916
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:21,720
Speaker 1: my buddy's dad, as you know, he's your classic working man,

917
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: been working for Montana rail Link for his whole life. Um,

918
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: you know, very kind of limited schedule, a weekend warrior,

919
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: and you guys never shot now, Yeah, thirty plus years,

920
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: way longer than that forty some plus years hunting in Montana.

921
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: You know a lot of stories like that. My buddy

922
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: Omar I was hunting with us, telling me he had

923
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: a friend who's dad hunt for forty years and never

924
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: killed it. Now, yeah, I think I've hunted Montana as

925
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: a resident or on the you know, the school like

926
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: the active student license thing. I think I've done eight

927
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: seasons in Montana now, and the first four I hardly

928
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: saw elk and certainly didn't kill any That's where I'm

929
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, and then the second four I've killed one

930
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: every year. But those those that like gathering of intellectual

931
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: property is an important I think, at least for me,

932
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: it's like an important period of time, however long that lasts. Absolutely,

933
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 1: you could be super really good at it and find

934
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: three or four hotspots in the first year and be

935
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: like I got my A, B, C and d um

936
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: or you could take you five years to find those

937
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: those areas, depending on how good you are at that.

938
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: So like when you're telling a story, when you're telling

939
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: Elk story nowadays, that's that's a huge part. And it's

940
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: also about acquiring knowledge, because like I had no fucking

941
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: clue what I was doing. Like I had hunted a

942
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: lot growing up, but I hadn't really you know, as

943
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: coastal western Washington. Mostly I got to go on an

944
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: elk hunt with my cousin in Colorado, but you know,

945
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: I just really didn't know. I had to figure it

946
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: out and had to make a lot of mistakes and

947
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: learn the hard way and mostly by myself and just

948
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: trying to a crew the to the knowledge of behavior.

949
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, habits all right, we'll take us no one

950
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: thing before we get back to your story. When you

951
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: were with a buddy and you're walking in the woods,

952
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: how do you decide who goes first? Like walking first

953
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: or who gets first shot? It was walking first? Um,

954
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: I think it's it's useful to have kind of discussions

955
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 1: about who's who's the trigger man that day? And and

956
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, I've had got a lot of different ways

957
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: with friends from you know, ro Shambo two. You know,

958
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,959
Speaker 1: you had a stock yesterday, so I'm on today, Or

959
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: you know I called for you yesterday so you called

960
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: the day. There's a variety of different ways to approach it.

961
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: A lot of times it's kind of who, um, you know,

962
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: if you're with a buddy, hasn't gotten Elk yet and

963
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: I'm usually trying to trying to help them. Um, this

964
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: this weekend, I had every tension and desire of getting

965
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: Jake and Elk because this is his spot and he

966
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: was kind enough to show me and and take me there,

967
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 1: and even like running in on the herd. He had

968
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: a narrow knock and I was filming him and just

969
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: the way it shook out, he was he went one

970
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: way up the coolie. I doubled back because I thought

971
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: there was more coming behind, and I just I was

972
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: the one who got lucky. And so it's it's but

973
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: it's important. What I'm saying is it's important to uh,

974
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, discuss prior to the hunt. Yeah, definitely, what

975
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: do you do? Cal I really like to call. So

976
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: whoever is with me is by default shooting and there

977
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: and when you're hiking in you're leading him or are

978
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: you following? Um, you're normally showing, so you're probably I'm

979
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: typically um that can be a fast walker too. Ah yeah,

980
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: And I mean I like talking to animals, so I'm

981
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: always always good at I'm the same way. Um. Yeah.

982
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: Now I think that it's funny to me because we

983
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: talked so much about how much it like we've all

984
00:53:58,239 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: we all hunt with buddy, Like he had a buddy

985
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: with to you, you got a friend and you got

986
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: a hunting partner, Like how how that all works out?

987
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: Especially when you're new. I was hunting with a my neighbor.

988
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: We just met like three months ago. We become super close,

989
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: but we've just never been in the woods together, and

990
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: so you get I mean he's former military man. He

991
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: can rock, like he can go Like, so, how do

992
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: you know, how do you put that all together? Especially

993
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: when you were you know, somebody you've really you've never

994
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: been out there with, Like what's that? Like? It puts

995
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: it puts a relationship under a lot of strain. I've

996
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: had people go from being really good buddies to go

997
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: hunting that we're not really that good. And it's also

998
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: like who makes a decision. He's like, dude, I think

999
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: we should go if we just dropped down in I'm like, well,

1000
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: I think that brings up an important point. And I

1001
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: absolutely love hunting alone. I do it a lot and

1002
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: I had and I used to do it a lot

1003
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: more back when you know, I didn't really have as

1004
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: many hunting buddies and was trying to figure out by

1005
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: myself and didn't want to be a burden on anyone.

1006
00:54:55,360 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: But you learn more by yourself, I think, And um,

1007
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: it's I really like not having to have the discussion

1008
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: that WHOA, what do you want to do? Do you

1009
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: think we should go up there? You think we should

1010
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: stay here? Well? What I don't know? Like and it

1011
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: goes back and forth in this circle jerk forever. But

1012
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: when you're hunting by yourself, you just follow your instincts.

1013
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: You just don't do what you feel like doing. If

1014
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: you want to go chase that bowl that's crossing the

1015
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: top of the mountain with the half hour of light left,

1016
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: you go do it, or you don't if you don't

1017
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: want to. Yeah, So that complicates that having another person

1018
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: there for sure, and if it's a friend of yours,

1019
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: there's like a lot of you've got to be kind

1020
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: of be conciliatory depending on what the you know, the friendships,

1021
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: like you got to be able to like work through

1022
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: some ship together. It's not like a guide scenario like

1023
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: this is what we're doing. It has to be a

1024
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: democracy on some level. And so that that's a big

1025
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: part a lot of these stories, that that's that's That

1026
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 1: goes back to what I was saying about deciding who's

1027
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: the shooter, because once you do that, then that person

1028
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 1: is can kind of be the hunt master and make

1029
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: some of the calls. So I think that's that's useful

1030
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,240
Speaker 1: in that if it's your tag, then you know, decisions

1031
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: should definitely be yours some love unless you've already eat. Like, hey, cow,

1032
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: your guide me. You know more than I do. You

1033
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: tell me what to do. Yeah, I got that kind

1034
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: of thing. Anyway, continue, Sam, looks your tail. You're half

1035
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: drunken white claws? No, you're sober. It takes a lot

1036
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: of white clothes. I mean, feel how many white claws

1037
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: till you're feeling it? Oh? Just just one half? Just

1038
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: a half top, No, I'd say it's about Jesus, it's

1039
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: about three, three or four. Does a shot of white

1040
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: claw like feeling? Yeah, Joe, you big white clow guy, Dude,

1041
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: love white claws. Drink of the summer, Drink of the summer.

1042
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: Favorite flavor. I like black cherry. So when said that,

1043
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: I was like, can we all agree that natural natural

1044
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: lime is dogshit? That's a hard hard disagree from me.

1045
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: Black cherry is soft disagree from me? Really, you like

1046
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: the natural first off? Like what what unnatural? Lime is?

1047
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: What it tastes like? Well, we were talking about Lacroix flavors,

1048
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: uh last week or two weeks ago, like pample news

1049
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: it looks actly lime and grapefruit. I think are the

1050
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: best La croise and I also think they're the best one,

1051
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: one of the best white class checking out now, thanks Ben.

1052
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: See if they've got on the board with your pample Moves.

1053
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: You're drinking pamper Moves right now. You didn't get Yeah,

1054
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: nothing ever there? Okay, go ahead say yeah. So anyway,

1055
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: um we the wind we got in there. We we

1056
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: hiked several miles back into where the spot was and

1057
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: um or where we thought we'd be able to intercept

1058
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: those elk, and the wind was different. We heard elk

1059
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: bugling down in the creek bottom already when we didn't

1060
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: anticipate them to be there until first light. So we're thinking, well, hell,

1061
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: if we get in there close. One, they could win

1062
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: to us. Two, they could pass us before shooting light

1063
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: starts because they they're they were on an accelerated schedule,

1064
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: likely because there was people coming in from a different

1065
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: angle behind them, which we found out to be the case. Um,

1066
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: So we went way back as far almost as far

1067
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: as we could on the public got on high round

1068
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: to be able to sort out the situation instead of

1069
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: being stuck down low not knowing where they were coming,

1070
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: where they would be um, and we we tried to

1071
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: stay very far like just on this kind of the

1072
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: start of it, so that our wind wasn't blowing down

1073
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: these coolies towards them, and like not we we we

1074
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: set up in like for the last you know, hour

1075
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: of darkness first you know, beginnings of first light, and

1076
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: not at all like an ambush situation. We were just

1077
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: trying to see where they were. We set up two

1078
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: different places and then looked at maps, started to be

1079
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: able to see the landscape and then move because it's like, oh, well,

1080
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: we weren't weren't going to be able to move off

1081
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: this spot without them seeing us. It's a good place

1082
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: to view from, but we can't. We can't like move

1083
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: laterally without getting paid. Still dark while you're making these decisions, yeah,

1084
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: and but like increasingly becoming light. But then we found

1085
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: a spot that we liked where we had a little

1086
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: bit of cover to get down into coolie um from

1087
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: this high spot and then just some flooding. Describe it

1088
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: coolie for those coolie or gully or a wash or

1089
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like a micro valley, a fold

1090
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: of the landscape. Um, it's a good way, yeah. Um.

1091
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: And so we got up on these got up on

1092
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: these rocks with some brush covering us, and there's another

1093
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: little fool that we could get behind and sneak down in.

1094
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden there's you know, two

1095
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: coming up there up the hillside towards us. So many

1096
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: bulls that you feel like you're in Um, like how

1097
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: many male elk probably a dozen or so. How many

1098
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: mature bals too? There was there was a large herbalal

1099
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: right smack dab in the middle of the cows. We

1100
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: and then just like a couple of spikes and really

1101
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: spendly rag horns and then um, but but like the

1102
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: one I got was not with really that herd was

1103
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: kind of trailing it. But then we but we knew

1104
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: that there was a big bachelor group that we saw

1105
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: like twenty two bowls when the last time we scouted it,

1106
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: and we could see them on the horizon at one

1107
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: point during this hunt, but nowhere near public land. Um,

1108
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: so so all of a sudden, there's all these elk

1109
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: and we were somewhat pinned down. They came up a

1110
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: different route than they've come before. Um, but we waited

1111
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: until like kind of the big flush of them was

1112
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: through and we just weren't seeing horns except for that

1113
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: big herd bowl. But he's got like seventy cows around him.

1114
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: He was screaming his head off. It was really fun.

1115
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: He just rounding him up or he just talking him. No,

1116
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: they were they were all pretty nervous like that because

1117
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: they there was people behind them and they were moving.

1118
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: There was um what I have to assume as a

1119
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: lead cow who was bugling, which is very interesting. I

1120
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, you hear people talk about cow bugles, but

1121
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: I'd never like really been able to identify it. But

1122
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: I had binos on a cow who was who was

1123
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: doing long drawn out bugles, and it was we heard

1124
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: it in the morning. We're like, man, that is the

1125
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: shittiest little spike just practicing felt like Simba. It was

1126
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: like Simba and the lion king, like you know, trying

1127
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: to learn how to roar. But then we saw that

1128
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: it was a It was a cow who was kind

1129
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: of in between the larger groups and trying to keep

1130
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: everybody organized and get their shipped together. Um, but the

1131
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: most of them got by us. We and we're kind

1132
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: of came around so that are like sneaky little exit

1133
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: off of our glass and tit was totally exposed, so

1134
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: we couldn't move. We were just like you know, trying

1135
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: just trying to hunker down, monitor the situation. But then

1136
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: they kind of got behind full of the landscape and

1137
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: we're mostly looking uphill and I was like, Okay, there's

1138
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: more coming. There's ones are up there, and we just

1139
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: dropped down into the cool as fast as we can.

1140
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: Just felt like we had an opening and it's like,

1141
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: oh ship, here's our opening. Go. We after our packs.

1142
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: We left like, you know, I had my sitting pad

1143
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: so I didn't sit on cactus and I you know,

1144
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: I left that there and we we both just grabbed

1145
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: her bows and ran. That's another probably not in your situation,

1146
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: but when to leave your pack, that's another big but.

1147
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: But we wanted to be light and fast. We knew

1148
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: we had just this one chance at them before they

1149
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: crossed into private land, and so we just had to

1150
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: had to take off when we had the opportunity to do.

1151
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: So we got into that coolie and cut up towards

1152
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: the herd. They started to kind of mill around once

1153
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: they I mean, honestly, it was like right after they

1154
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: got out of the right near the private land boundary,

1155
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: but they kind of were out in the open, and

1156
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: I think we're like, okay, we left those guys behind,

1157
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: like let's regroup, and they started to mill around and

1158
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: settle down a little bit. Um. But we came up

1159
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: behind him. We were coming up this coolie. Like I said,

1160
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: I had Jake in front of me. He had a

1161
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: narrow knocked and I was I was filming him, and

1162
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: but I was also I was walking backwards for a

1163
01:02:58,480 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: lot of it because I knew that there was more

1164
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: behind us, UM, and I was keeping an eye out.

1165
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: And at one point, Um, I happened to be looking

1166
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: backwards as he's creeping forward, trying to get to a

1167
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,919
Speaker 1: rise where some of those elk were hanging out, and

1168
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: I saw ears coming up behind us, and I was like, Jake,

1169
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: dount stop and and we both just froze, kind of

1170
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: half crouched, and we had a cow and a calf

1171
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: walk by us at fifteen yards or less. Um, first

1172
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: light fusion camo, nice little plug there. Um, And you

1173
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: were never thinking just shoot a cow. No, wow, Jake

1174
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: had a trophy hunter. Jake has a has a cow

1175
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: tag for for that unit. And so we we we thought,

1176
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: we thought about it. But you know, at the time

1177
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: with Broadside Elk, Yeah my story, my story. But yeah,

1178
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: I mean there's plenty of plenty of time. I mean

1179
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: we can kill cows and tell February nowadays in Montana,

1180
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: so um, I usually try to target bulls for opening morning. Um.

1181
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: But the way they came up, I was like, you know,

1182
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: maybe more we'll be following their path. And Jake really

1183
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: wanted to try to sneak up to the end of

1184
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: this little coolie because you could, you could get like

1185
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: right up into that big old herd. He's like, let's

1186
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: like keep going. I'm like, I'm like, okay, you you

1187
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: keep going, man, I'm just gonna like double back. Because

1188
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: of the way those cows came over the hill, I'm like,

1189
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to that rock and see if I

1190
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: can just post up. And like as soon as I

1191
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: got to it, I saw horns coming. I knocked an arrow,

1192
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: got up just a little bit more and drew, and

1193
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: then this bowl just kept coming and and I stood up,

1194
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: and then he was behind some grass and walked and

1195
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: walked and walked, and then came out into my site window.

1196
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: And I knew it was gonna see me just the

1197
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: way I was standing. And I didn't really have anything

1198
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: behind me, because I was just standing on the edge

1199
01:04:54,720 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: of the coolie and so kind of silhouetted against the grass. Um.

1200
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: But he was kind of slightly quartering to me. Not

1201
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: not a great shot, but it was like twenty two yards,

1202
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: and I let loose um just because I knew he

1203
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: was gonna have me pinned any second. I didn't really

1204
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: even think about it. You know, everybody's been I've been

1205
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 1: talking to everybody about how my elk season lasted for

1206
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes. But it never even crossed my I

1207
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: see a you know, I see a branch handlered bull. Hell,

1208
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: I just have a very hard time not not shooting it.

1209
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: After so many years of struggling so hard and having

1210
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: weeks upon weeks of not even seeing hell uh in

1211
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: the learning process that I just can't really help myself.

1212
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: I just kind of get that, get a get a

1213
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: really strong drive, and um, yeah, so put an arrow

1214
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: through him, landed a little farther back than I would

1215
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: have liked. Um, you know, being quartering too, um, because

1216
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: you're trying to push back from the shoulder a little

1217
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: trying to push back from the shoulder because I shoulder

1218
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: bladed a really big bull one time and watched him

1219
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: run away like a you know, like a you know

1220
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: pekador spear and a bullfight. Um. And yeah, just just

1221
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: you know that it penetrated an inch and stopped dead. Um.

1222
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 1: So I'm always very fearful of that. And that's a

1223
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,439
Speaker 1: delicate shot when yeah, more on a deer than an elk.

1224
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: But when you got a quartering two and you're trying

1225
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 1: to avoid that shoulder blade and sit put that arrow

1226
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: in that pocket, that's a delicate like from shoulder blade

1227
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: to liver. I mean like it may seem like a

1228
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: big area, but that's a delicate placement of an arrow. Yeah.

1229
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,959
Speaker 1: And so the arrow landed um between the last two

1230
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 1: ribs um in in the I mean penetrated chess cavity,

1231
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: nicked one of the lungs, went through the liver, but

1232
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: it kind of it also kind of ricochet, It kind

1233
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: of clipped off of one of the ribs and and

1234
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: so it exited on the other side, just in front

1235
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: of the ham m. So just kind of the way.

1236
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: It wasn't that wasn't like, that wasn't the angle. It

1237
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: definitely got a rib and change direction, so it did

1238
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: go through the guts, but it also you know, broke

1239
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: the diaphragm. Um, and he ran, he ran a little

1240
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: ways and stopped, and I and I you know, rushed

1241
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: another shot at him. I guessed it was forty and

1242
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: it was probably more like fifty five, and retrospect went

1243
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: went under him. Then he ran a little further and

1244
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: then Jake took a shot at him and missed. Um.

1245
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: But then he ran off and over the hill. Um.

1246
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: And but I but I knew, I knew it was

1247
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: a decent shot. I knew it was a lethal shot.

1248
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 1: So we just we kind of regrouped and and Jake's like,

1249
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go down there. I saw another bull coming

1250
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: and he ran off, and I was kind of sitting there.

1251
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: Then weirdly, a decent pronghorn antelope basically ran up to

1252
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: me to shake hands or something, and Jake had a

1253
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: pronghorn ta archery pronghorn tag and I didn't and I

1254
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I should call him. Oh no, I

1255
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: can't do that. And so I started to like kind

1256
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: of be like hey, buck and tried to push it

1257
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: towards him, but that didn't work. But Jake ended up

1258
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: getting about fifty yards away from UM a rag horn

1259
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: that was broken off on one side UM, which is

1260
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: a long shot, a very long shot UM. And he

1261
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 1: didn't take it, you know, which I think was a

1262
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 1: good ethical decision, especially having one elk potentially on the

1263
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,639
Speaker 1: ground already. UM. But I waited a while and then

1264
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: just kind of slowly wandered the path I saw that

1265
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: bowl take until I could see down into the next

1266
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: little dip and I saw him bedded in some grass

1267
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: over there. I gave him probably about half an hour

1268
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: before I wanted to kind of go see if I

1269
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 1: could see where he went. And I could just see

1270
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: his his horns, and I was kind of behind some stuff,

1271
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 1: and so I backed out, went and got my When

1272
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: I went and found the arrow that went through him. Anyway,

1273
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: the other one might still be flying. I don't even UM,

1274
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 1: and we uh, And then I just kind of hung

1275
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 1: out for a while. Jake came back from kind of

1276
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: running around to see if there are any more stragglers.

1277
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: And I brought my jet boil with me and so

1278
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:17,879
Speaker 1: we we had um a cup of a pot of coffee,

1279
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 1: and I also had some Swiss miss hot coco, so

1280
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: made it into a hobo mocha. And then Jake had

1281
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: a little flask of Penalleton whiskey and so dump that

1282
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: in there. So invented a whole new drink. What do

1283
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: you call that? We call it the nerves that the

1284
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: bro the bromo hobo mocha. Ye, like that, the nerve

1285
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 1: settler was what it was though, because like I really

1286
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: wanted to go and try to take another shot at

1287
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 1: that bowl. But but where we where we sat down,

1288
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: we could kind of stand up and like get our

1289
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: tippy toes and see his horns um, And we were

1290
01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: we were probably three yards away, but he was just

1291
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 1: he was bedded their head up, feeling sick. Um. And

1292
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: we had a pot of coffee with whiskey and hot coco,

1293
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: and then went and checked on him again. And I

1294
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you know that rock pile, I can

1295
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 1: go way over there and then come in, keeping the

1296
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: rock pile between me and the elk, and I'll be

1297
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: able to get I'm like, oh, I'll be able to

1298
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 1: get to like fifty yards from that rock pile. And

1299
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,640
Speaker 1: then I did it, got to the rock pile, and

1300
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 1: I was ranging and it was like eighty four yards

1301
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 1: and and he was kind of looking right at me,

1302
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:39,759
Speaker 1: and I would have had to expose myself to step

1303
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 1: out and take a shot. And I can. I can

1304
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 1: hit things at eighty yards, but that arrows in the

1305
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 1: air for a very long time. And I am not

1306
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: a distance archer. I I do that only like for

1307
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 1: practice occasionally. I don't have a rolling um site. So

1308
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gay, Jane. When I shoot at eight yards,

1309
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm gauging off of the leveler, the level at the

1310
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: bottom of my of my site, you know, and kind

1311
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: of like picking that between that my sixty pen and

1312
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, and he's like right on the public boundary,

1313
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 1: and so I'm like weighing my options, and I decided

1314
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: that it was a huge gamble to try to take

1315
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 1: another shot, because if he got running, he could be

1316
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: miles into private land before he stopped again. And I

1317
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 1: just I've had too many bad experiences. I lost a

1318
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 1: bowl a few years ago that I think I probably

1319
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 1: pushed in the dark and had an amazing recovery another

1320
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: year of a bowl that was shot through the lungs

1321
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 1: but still managed to run about a mile um. And

1322
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: so I decided to sneak back out of there again

1323
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,799
Speaker 1: and went back and we had another pot of coffee

1324
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: and hung out and shot the ship and tossed rocks

1325
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 1: at other rocks and and just kill time and kept

1326
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,679
Speaker 1: monitoring him. And then one time I looked up and

1327
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 1: he was kind of wobbling and then tipped over. UM.

1328
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 1: So I felt very badly that he had to suffer.

1329
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: But he wasn't rolling around and screaming or anything, you know,

1330
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 1: it was just kind of sitting there, like you know,

1331
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 1: going septic in his in his guts for better part

1332
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 1: of two hours. So I felt bad about it, but

1333
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:24,560
Speaker 1: at the same time, I felt like it was the

1334
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: smart thing not to push him, not to engage that adrenaline,

1335
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:30,719
Speaker 1: and just to have him feel like he's just because

1336
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,839
Speaker 1: he never I don't think he really even saw us.

1337
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 1: And the craziest thing is we spooked one elk out

1338
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 1: of that those over two hundred, and it was that one,

1339
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 1: that little rag horn that Jake was chasing after. So

1340
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: we got right up into the middle of him and

1341
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 1: and didn't really disturb the whole thing. And I don't

1342
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 1: think he really knew what happened or what hit him,

1343
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: and just sort of went and slowly faded faded out,

1344
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,799
Speaker 1: and then we were able to walk up and recover

1345
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 1: him and start butchering. And there's like, there's nothing like

1346
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: being in in a herd of elk like that, especially

1347
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:05,640
Speaker 1: when they were just supermouthy and and a little nervous

1348
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: about people being in there. And oh it was it

1349
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 1: was a cacophony. That's awesome. Man. It strikes me like

1350
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 1: in those situations what elk really are, Like, they're pretty amazing,

1351
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 1: very gregarious animals, pretty amazing animals. We were talking about

1352
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 1: previous podcasts, like some hunts you go for the country,

1353
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, sheep hunting, doll sheep hunt interacting with sheep.

1354
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: You don't get to do it a lot. You're not

1355
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: calling to the sheep. You find them, you stalk it,

1356
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 1: and you kill them. Most times you do. There there

1357
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: are times you'll watch them for a long time, but

1358
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 1: they're not as gregarious critters. But when you're eltcounting, you're

1359
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:42,599
Speaker 1: hunting for the experience with the animal. Yeah, And I think. Yeah.

1360
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 1: Something I said to Jake was like, because I had

1361
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 1: um kind of tentatively planned a cariboo hunt this year

1362
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: that didn't end up panning out, and I felt like

1363
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: I got my caribou hunt the way the way this

1364
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 1: all went down, broad wide open country could have been tundras,

1365
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 1: you know, mountain slopes, lots of animal was moving in

1366
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: big bands or across the landscape. Having one walk like

1367
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 1: right up on top of me. I like, I shot

1368
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: it uphill. You know, he was probably ten or fifteen

1369
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 1: ft above me when I made that shot. The arrow exited,

1370
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 1: you know, higher than it entered. Wow Um. And so

1371
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 1: it very much felt felt like a north slope caribou

1372
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,679
Speaker 1: experience more so than the l hunting I typically get

1373
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: involved with. That's why I wanted to like start these

1374
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: at the beginning and like compare because a lot of

1375
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 1: times you're being camped with buddies you're hunting with, but

1376
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: when you're not, when you haven't planned to hunt with someone,

1377
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 1: you can like compare your situation to their's. Especially multiple stories,

1378
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 1: you can see how many different angles are to take

1379
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 1: at this and like the different the different things that

1380
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: that happened, and learn from those but it really is,

1381
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,600
Speaker 1: it's it really starts with at the very beginning with

1382
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 1: why are you going out there? How much time do

1383
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: you have, what's the what's your desired result? You know,

1384
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:54,839
Speaker 1: what are you willing you know, what are the structures

1385
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 1: you built? What are you willing to take and not take?

1386
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 1: Make sure those expectations max up with your buddies too.

1387
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 1: In that's a big one. Yeah, that's a huge one.

1388
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 1: But Joe, your your story would be yet to come.

1389
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 1: You didn't find your bowl, you didn't have any did

1390
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: you draw your bow and draw my bow? But I

1391
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: knocked an arrow several times. Uh. We were up really

1392
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 1: high and the weather systems were moving through pretty heavy,

1393
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 1: were so pretty much every time we had an opportunity

1394
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: on a milk like a really kind of surefire, like

1395
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 1: this is gonna happen, the fog would roll in. And

1396
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: there were two times where I didn't get a shot

1397
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 1: at able because I couldn't get a solid range on

1398
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: them and I was not comfortable estimating range in the fog.

1399
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 1: So you're going back yard twice within fifty and to you,

1400
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 1: guys hunted all day for two days. We came back

1401
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: liter early yesterday because storm rolled in and it was

1402
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: ripping winds up on top of the mountain and Harley

1403
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: rain coming. So you're gonna go back? Yeah? Yeah, this

1404
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 1: is just like a day day hunt run. You gotta

1405
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 1: like commit to this one. Yeah, you gotta commit to it.

1406
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: It's pointless to go up there for a day hike

1407
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: ant and then have to hike back out. All right, So, cal,

1408
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:09,759
Speaker 1: what's your You didn't you went to a wedding this

1409
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 1: this weekend? You didn't hunt? Correct? But what's your what's your?

1410
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 1: You get a game plan? I mean I still have

1411
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:21,759
Speaker 1: l tag in Idaho and here in Montana, so I'd

1412
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 1: love to run back to Idaho and and uh and hunt.

1413
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 1: And then I also have a buddy who drew really

1414
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 1: good tag any unit here that I've never hunted, um,

1415
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: and I can. I'd be quite happy just running around

1416
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: with him and checking things out for his potential, you know,

1417
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 1: real big bowl tag um and uh. You know it

1418
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 1: probably like I always get a phone call like in

1419
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 1: November where it's like, you know, do you haven't he

1420
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 1: helped me? I love to get something there, and so

1421
01:16:56,760 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 1: like I could just stop right now, um, but I

1422
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 1: already already have folks ask him for me too, So

1423
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 1: it would be good good to get one more, one

1424
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:16,600
Speaker 1: more elk and then uh yeah, or like try to

1425
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 1: pick up a handful of deer, you know, feel some

1426
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 1: white tailed dough tags or something like that. I'm gonna

1427
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 1: need to get a new freezer. I'm gonna killing anything else.

1428
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I'm gonna be able to

1429
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: get this bull in there. And I just went and

1430
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 1: bought a new freezer. I bought the bowser. What's the

1431
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,600
Speaker 1: biggest chess freezer you have? Like bring it to me,

1432
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 1: and I like, I'll pay that. I don't even care.

1433
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 1: I don't want ever to run into a problem like

1434
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 1: the chess pre sure, I got you fit probably too

1435
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 1: full elk in it. So I just got actually enough

1436
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 1: meat this summer. I guess I know. Well, you got

1437
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 1: shanks giving coming up, right, Yeah, you're gonna have everybody

1438
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 1: come over and just eat elk shanks like the like

1439
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: the freaking the fair, like they're going to the medieval times.

1440
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 1: You like it. Have a very caveman. Listen close out.

1441
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you my story. I want you guys

1442
01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,759
Speaker 1: to tell me if I made the right or wrong decision,

1443
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 1: because I'm in a similar situation where um, I had

1444
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 1: a freezer fail and I lost almost all of my

1445
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 1: game meat, which was many is a couple of heartbreaking

1446
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,640
Speaker 1: it was. It was if I could have had a

1447
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 1: funeral when I got rid of the meat, I would have.

1448
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like, once you've lived with a

1449
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 1: full freezer for a long time, or at least enough

1450
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 1: where you know you have what you need, being in

1451
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 1: a position where you have a little bit left he

1452
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 1: is it's the first world but very rough problem. So

1453
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: I'm I got my first ever resident elk tag. I

1454
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 1: want to kind of learn the country and get the experience.

1455
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 1: But at the same damn time, there's no there's very

1456
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 1: little meat left in the freezer, and so I've got

1457
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 1: to make the decision of like what do I do.

1458
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: Well the first morning, you can come help me, butcher

1459
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: tonight and to find your way into some milk meat.

1460
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 1: That's fine, that's all fine. The cal gave me some

1461
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 1: meat over the winner, which we're still eating on. And

1462
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 1: then like other people gave me some meat, Joe, you

1463
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 1: gave me some some bison. So like from what I

1464
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 1: had to what other people gave me, I was fine,

1465
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 1: but just fucking feel the same. It feels cheap. It

1466
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 1: was like I'm cheap. Well it's maybe not so much

1467
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: that it's cheap, just that you know that pride and

1468
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 1: just immense satisfaction of eating an animal that you killed. Well, now,

1469
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 1: I'll also be honest, like my wife does a lot

1470
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 1: of the cooking. I do a good bit of the meat.

1471
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 1: And like I've just gotten used to the way that

1472
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 1: I butcher, like the way that I label stuff, the

1473
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 1: way the way that it's presented. Like it just you

1474
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 1: get used to the like get out of the package.

1475
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 1: You know what it's gonna be, what it's gonna look like,

1476
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 1: what what situation is going to be in So there's

1477
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: that too. But so I went out with a buddy

1478
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 1: close to home. We go out and we park at

1479
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 1: a trailhead. We've got probably a mile walk in and

1480
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 1: we're just really we've got one little drainage that that

1481
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 1: goes right into some aggory. We've seen some a couple

1482
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:53,560
Speaker 1: of days before. The idea is that they're going to

1483
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 1: come back up into there. We don't know nothing that

1484
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 1: we don't know really anything about the drainage at all.

1485
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 1: We don't know if it's melk habitat. If it's it's

1486
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,600
Speaker 1: something that they're going to move into. The idea is

1487
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: to pop in there, see what it looks like, call

1488
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: a little bit, see what the activity is like. If

1489
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 1: there's nothing, we back out. We drive up to the

1490
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 1: next one and kind of try to you know, frog

1491
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 1: leap our way down the ridge and try to get

1492
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 1: check all these dranges that are running down into this

1493
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 1: really good looking agg and that's private. We jump into there.

1494
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: It's about seven thirty in the morning, it's day has broken,

1495
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 1: it's fully light out. Well, he hit the call for

1496
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 1: the first time, complete silence. Hit a bugle again, complete silence,

1497
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 1: and looking around. We've got some some timbered outcuts. We

1498
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 1: gotta burn over the top of a big ridge that's

1499
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: probably about half a mile from where we are that

1500
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm glassing with a with a spotter, my buddy ship.

1501
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:50,719
Speaker 1: We look over and there's a bull just screaming through

1502
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 1: this timbered piece, coming down this ridge into the bottom

1503
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 1: and he's coming for us, like there's no he didn't

1504
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 1: make a sound, he didn't bugle, he didn't We didn't

1505
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: or him crash. Luckily he ran, I mean he came

1506
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 1: busting through an open patch where we can see him

1507
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 1: drop down into his timber bottom. Now we we gotta

1508
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 1: guess like he's coming to us. We gotta get down

1509
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 1: this ridge we've never been down before. Pick a spot,

1510
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 1: get ready, and get him to us. I don't know

1511
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:18,719
Speaker 1: really how big the bull is, just know it's a bull.

1512
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 1: We dropped down probably five yards on this you know

1513
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 1: finger ridge gets set up. I'm like, oh, I got

1514
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 1: twenty three yards in front of me. I'm kind of

1515
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 1: blocked off to my right, but I know if he

1516
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: pops up here, he's gonna be thirty yards. And if

1517
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 1: he gets here, I'll see him. We sit down, hit

1518
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 1: the call one time, we no longer hit no more

1519
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 1: than hits the call one time. And I look over

1520
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 1: and there's the back, the back antler tips of this

1521
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 1: bull coming up at like he was forty yards. If

1522
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 1: I could see him. He's on the shadow on this ridge.

1523
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 1: He comes. So I get drawn. I'm like, I'm gonna

1524
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 1: shoot this. I don't give a shit what this is.

1525
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm shooting this bull. I get drawn. I kind of

1526
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 1: turned to my right. This buol's coming up on the ridge.

1527
01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 1: He's coming up still making no noise. He kind of

1528
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 1: does a couple of lunks, gives us a little bit

1529
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 1: gonna be close to hear that. Yeah, I mean he's

1530
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 1: thirty five yards at this point. Gives us the first

1531
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 1: time I've heard any elk vocalization. He gives us like

1532
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,640
Speaker 1: a couple of lunks and just kind of bowls up,

1533
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 1: and he's behind a tree and I'm waiting. I can

1534
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 1: just see the top of his back. At this point.

1535
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, seven, eight, ten steps, it's money, I'm full.

1536
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm drawn. It's just like I'm waiting. I'm probably drawn

1537
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 1: for five minutes. And I could just see this one

1538
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 1: and saw that video. You're shaking pretty hard talk by

1539
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 1: the time that video. By the time video started, I

1540
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 1: had been drawn for what felt like a long long time.

1541
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 1: I'm waiting on him to come and waiting on him

1542
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 1: step and waiting on the step. And then I looked

1543
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: to my left. Just out of the corner of my eye,

1544
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 1: here comes a spike, just freaking just cruising right towards us.

1545
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 1: So the bull is still behind some down trees where

1546
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 1: I could just see. I could see that he's looking

1547
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: back at the spike and he doesn't know where there.

1548
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 1: He finally steps out, well, he steps out instead of

1549
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,799
Speaker 1: stepping on our broad said, he steps out facing the spikes,

1550
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 1: And now I've got a thirty yard shot of him

1551
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: just basically his brisket quartering to me and like, that's

1552
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 1: not that's not going down. He's gonna have to cross

1553
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 1: where the spike crosses. I'll just wait. So at this

1554
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 1: point where that video starts its own social and like

1555
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 1: I've been there a long time and I'm waiting for

1556
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 1: this thing to move. He steps down at at about

1557
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 1: thirty and starts turning a broadside just about at that time.

1558
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 1: The spike just at this point he's three yards from us,

1559
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 1: so he sees us, smells us whatever. Who knows three

1560
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 1: yards It could have been any one of those things

1561
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 1: bust down the mountain, but he only goes thirty yards

1562
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 1: the five point, turns around and goes back behind where

1563
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:37,839
Speaker 1: he is. My buddy Omar hits the call. They turn around,

1564
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 1: come back trying to get our wind and I so

1565
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 1: I just kind of mirrored him on the mountain and

1566
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 1: the only shot, the shot that I could have taken

1567
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: on this bull. He comes back up the hill now

1568
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 1: on the other side of me. He was. He came

1569
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: back at twenty five yards. I was kneeled down behind

1570
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 1: a stump. My buddy was calling and sees him comed

1571
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:00,679
Speaker 1: He's like, just stand up and shoot him. He's twenty

1572
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 1: five yards. So I drew and I stood up. Well,

1573
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 1: if i'd have been like six inches taller, I could

1574
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 1: have seen vitals. I had, like his backstraps and maybe

1575
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 1: the top of his vitals. And in my mind in

1576
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 1: the moment, I'm like, if I let this arrow go,

1577
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna have to crest this ridge and to drop

1578
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: into the pocket. And I'm just not I'm just not

1579
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 1: sure of that that happening. And I don't want to

1580
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 1: hit him in the no zone. I want to like

1581
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: hit him in that because that's basically what I had

1582
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 1: to aim at. And so I just let it down

1583
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 1: and spooked to when I let down, and they went

1584
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 1: back down the mountain. We called him in again about

1585
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 1: eighty yards and they stood a broadside for a while,

1586
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 1: and then they had enough of that and they were off.

1587
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 1: And after the fact, I'm like, man, that's about as

1588
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 1: good of an opportunity you're gonna get that quickly. And

1589
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 1: I could have sent one or two arrows and been

1590
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 1: fairly confident. I mean, I feel like they were marginal,

1591
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 1: but I still gonna be fairly confident that they were

1592
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 1: shots that might have killed an elk. So at the

1593
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: end of the day, I'm like, it's a marginal shot,

1594
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 1: it's not a huge bull, and it's opening day, and

1595
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 1: so you weigh all that stuff in your head. And

1596
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 1: when I when I look back, when I'm like, I'm

1597
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 1: glad I didn't just fling an arrow with this thing,

1598
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 1: not being not confident that I was going to kill right,

1599
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:12,720
Speaker 1: an arrow that might have killed an elk. Yeah, you

1600
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: don't shoot those. So at the end of the day,

1601
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 1: like all those things go went through my mind, like,

1602
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 1: oh man, I've got I need meat, Like this would

1603
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 1: be my first Montana resident archery bull, Like this is

1604
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 1: a these are pretty rare opportunity to call a bull

1605
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 1: in and in Virgin Country. That quickly, um, all those

1606
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 1: things together don't don't add up to a marginal shot.

1607
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 1: They just don't know. And I just think it's just

1608
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:42,719
Speaker 1: the type of hunter that you want to be. Maybe

1609
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's something that I've thought about

1610
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 1: for a couple of days, thinking, man, that could have

1611
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:47,600
Speaker 1: been a nice Just much like your story, you go

1612
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 1: out boom boom boom. Done. So you and you got

1613
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 1: all the meat you need and you can go help buddies.

1614
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 1: You can go hunt deer, you can do whatever else

1615
01:25:55,600 --> 01:26:00,160
Speaker 1: you want, So go fishing whatever else. I'm gonna do

1616
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:01,840
Speaker 1: a lot of fish in this fall. But I'm also

1617
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 1: really excited to call for buddies because I worked really

1618
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 1: hard on my out calling skills the last couple of years,

1619
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 1: and last year I buelled the bull into myself hunting

1620
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 1: alone and that was transcendent. And but it's just it's

1621
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 1: to be fun to go out there and practice. I'll

1622
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 1: be I'll be left to wonder every unsuccessful day from

1623
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 1: here till the end of the season whether or should

1624
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 1: have went or should have stayed just slipped it through there.

1625
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: There's so many horror stories of that though, Like all

1626
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 1: those started, like, man, I lost this bull and it

1627
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 1: was a shot that I didn't know if it would

1628
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 1: have killed it. So when you have those thoughts, you

1629
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,679
Speaker 1: may have killed an milk And it's just the choice.

1630
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 1: The torture as part. As you're so close, you're like

1631
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 1: six inches away, you take three more steps, And that

1632
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 1: happened a couple of times in that scenario. So it's

1633
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 1: all those things to go through your mind, all the

1634
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 1: things that led up to that. All it's like, how

1635
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 1: lucky are we to step into a drainage and hit

1636
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:56,680
Speaker 1: the call a couple of times and here comes a

1637
01:26:56,720 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 1: bull that we've never seen, didn't know was there. We

1638
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 1: guessed that he was there. Were like, if El is

1639
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 1: gonna be somewhere, we think he's gonna be here. We

1640
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: had no idea, And so all that stuff comes together

1641
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 1: and it doesn't happen. You know what, There's a lot

1642
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 1: of what ifs. But like said Cal, at the end

1643
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 1: of the day, don't send it no man, no way. No.

1644
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 1: He turned a good season into a bad season real quick. Yeah,

1645
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 1: do you have a whole you know rather than what

1646
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 1: you know? Great season? Wounded a bowl? Yeah? You chasing

1647
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 1: for six days? Yeah, private, stare at me forever. No,

1648
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: nobody has a fond memory of that. Well, we got

1649
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 1: many more days in. We got a long time. I'm

1650
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 1: into it, man, I like I like most stories that

1651
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:49,759
Speaker 1: you tell. Well, we come into the office on Monday

1652
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:53,640
Speaker 1: after the opening season. Everybody's tell a story. Tell a story.

1653
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 1: I like to hear, like the truncated version and then

1654
01:27:56,080 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 1: the real version. Trying so hard to work when we're

1655
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 1: we're all talking, talking over him and around him about

1656
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 1: he didn't get to go hunting this weekend. It was

1657
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 1: just like trying to focus really hard. How dare you

1658
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 1: try to work on the Monday after opening day in

1659
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 1: the Mediator offices? Yeah? Break, And then the editorial meeting

1660
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 1: was all hunting stories. Steve told his you, guys, I'm

1661
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 1: sure we'll hear on the Future Mediator podcast the story

1662
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 1: of Matt's bowl and this weekend. But man, it's fun

1663
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 1: to have almost all of us around hunting. Cal of course,

1664
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:33,560
Speaker 1: was celebrating nuptials, which is very appropriate. Not mine. No,

1665
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 1: we're still, We're still. You're never gonna be. Just to

1666
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:40,639
Speaker 1: be clear, Phil, what do you you know? You're always

1667
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 1: the voice of reason? What do you take away from

1668
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 1: all this? It sounds like um an experience I would

1669
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 1: love to be a part of some days. Pick out

1670
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 1: what was forty six bucks for a general health dear?

1671
01:28:56,920 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 1: If that whatever, If it's cheaper than that, it's only

1672
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 1: forty sicks. It's that was like a hundred and twenty

1673
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:06,680
Speaker 1: for me early in the year to get just all

1674
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 1: of it. I don't even have no idea what it

1675
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 1: is individually with all your archery permids PIDs and fishing

1676
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:19,879
Speaker 1: their waterfowl iron woolf All right, well, hopefully you learned

1677
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 1: something from this. I enjoy just like comparing stories and

1678
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 1: how we got there, how we made it happen, how

1679
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 1: we didn't make it happen, what we're gonna do, why

1680
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 1: we did it. I think this stuff is is super exciting,

1681
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 1: and this talent hunting stories, it's bad ass. So thank

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Speaker 1: you boys, and good luck to everybody out there this week,

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01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:39,640
Speaker 1: this weekend, the rest of the month. Whenever you're at

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Speaker 1: El Hutton, good luck, enjoy, We'll see you. So that's it.

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Speaker 1: That's all Episode seventy eight Books talking ELK. Thanks for

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01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 1: listening to our stories. Our decisions are good and are bad,

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01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: success and failure as a part of hunting. So I'm

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01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 1: glad that you were here to listen, and I'm glad

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Speaker 1: to be colleagues with these gentlemen that sat in. So

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Speaker 1: thank you to Ryan, Thank you too, Sam, and thank

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01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 1: you to Joe for sitting in sharing a little bit

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01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 1: with us. Of course, next week we'll get back to

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01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:17,679
Speaker 1: the old format with interviews and new guests and different topics.

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01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure, but for now it's nice to stew and

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01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 1: hang an ELK season because that's what it is. That's

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01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 1: where our minds are to meet eat our office. And

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Speaker 1: speaking of ELK season, Remy Warren's new podcast, Cutting the

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01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 1: Distance that I work on with Remy, we have been

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01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 1: working hard to get you some ELK episodes. Episode four

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01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 1: of his podcast, which was two weeks ago, is all

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01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 1: about how to dog in Elk. Last week was how

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01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 1: to coax and Silent Bulls, and another ELK episode coming

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01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:47,719
Speaker 1: up this Thursday. So if you haven't subscribed to Cutting

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01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 1: the Distance, if you aren't listening to Remy's podcast, you're

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01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:54,720
Speaker 1: not going to get this invaluable ELK information. And you

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01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 1: gotta go over there and you gotta listen to Remy.

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01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:00,840
Speaker 1: He is a savant, he's a master. Everyone here agrees

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01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:02,760
Speaker 1: that he's one of the better hunters we've ever run into.

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01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:04,639
Speaker 1: And he's been an ELK guide for the better part

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01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 1: of his life. So he's got endless knowledge and he

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01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 1: imparts it on Cutting the Distance. So go over there

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01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 1: and subscribe to Cutting the Distance, and you're after you

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01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 1: do that, go to Metator's YouTube channel and subscribe there too.

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01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 1: We've got some great new content coming from the white

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01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 1: Tail world that I've also been working on with our

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01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 1: boy Mark Kenyon. So stick around there. If you want

1717
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:28,839
Speaker 1: to get it, you gotta subscribe to the YouTube channel.

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01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 1: One last thing to subscribe to is our brand new

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Speaker 1: white Tail Weekly Newsletter. Go over to the mediator dot

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Speaker 1: com and click and subscribe, and you're gonna subscribe to

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Speaker 1: the white Tail Weekly Newsletter that's every Monday afternoon and

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Speaker 1: your inbox new white Tail content. You're gonna love it,

1723
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:51,679
Speaker 1: and you're gonna thank me, I promise. So until next week,

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01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:55,559
Speaker 1: enjoy hunting season. We're deep in it and thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining us. See you, thank you. I'm seven, Tennessee. Who

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Speaker 1: whiskey got me dragging in heaven and h and just

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01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 1: stopped to look good to me. They're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: department to the fire redeed, oh on the fire, indeed,

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Speaker 1: drinking in the fide, oh the fiery dragging in heaven.