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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live presented

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Speaker 1: by Coors Light right here on Giants dot com. I

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Speaker 1: am John Schmilki, is Paul Latino, Paul, how are you buddy? Hello? John?

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Speaker 1: And we had the Giants fifty three man roster and

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Speaker 1: a lot of surprises, and we'll hit on that first.

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Speaker 1: We'll also be joined by Warren Sharp from Sharp Football.

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Speaker 1: He'll be joining us at two o'clock. We'll be giving

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Speaker 1: him a call and getting him to preview the season

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Speaker 1: for us a little bit, Paul. Obviously, a lot of

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Speaker 1: changes and a lot of things that we weren't expecting

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Speaker 1: with this roster. And I think the thing that kind

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Speaker 1: of caught everyone by surprise, quite frankly, was the fact

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Speaker 1: that the Giants kept three quarterbacks and one of them

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Speaker 1: wasn't Davis Webb. Yeah, that was a huge surprise for me.

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Speaker 1: It was a shocker. You know, I've been doing this

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Speaker 1: of the top five roster cut shockers that I've experienced

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Speaker 1: in my career. Here. It really blew my mind away,

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Speaker 1: but it is what it is. Coach Shermer today and

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Speaker 1: trying to explain it to the media. Uh said that

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Speaker 1: Davis had a chance like all the other quarterbacks did. Uh,

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Speaker 1: he was intent on trying to keep one veteran. Now

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Speaker 1: that said to me, it sounded like Tanny was going

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Speaker 1: he said he's very specific about having a veteran who's

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Speaker 1: going to be able to come in off the bench

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Speaker 1: after only a couple of reps or not getting any

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Speaker 1: reps and being able to function efficiently. So he's got

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Speaker 1: this philosophy that he wants an older guy as one

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Speaker 1: of the three. Well, then that really means it was

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Speaker 1: web against Loyletta. Doesn't it for the other spot? Based

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Speaker 1: on what he said it did, And that's something he

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Speaker 1: hadn't said prior to where we would never said that before,

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Speaker 1: so that was new information. He didn't really get into them.

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Speaker 1: This is something you'll see with Pat Sherman. I've mentioned

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Speaker 1: this on the show before, where he's not really going

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Speaker 1: to publicly criticize his players from a football perspective. Paul,

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Speaker 1: it's just something he's not gonna do. He's not gonna

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Speaker 1: go on list. Well, Davis Webb was deficient here, here,

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Speaker 1: and here, and that's why he's not on the team,

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna do my best to explain it for you,

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Speaker 1: and I'll let Paul jump into UM as best he can.

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Speaker 1: The one thing he did focus on with Kyle Loletta

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Speaker 1: is that he liked the fact that he made decisive

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Speaker 1: decisions Paul and got rid of the ball quickly. And

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Speaker 1: I think throughout camp in a little bit in the

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Speaker 1: games we did see, I think even against blitz Is,

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Speaker 1: I think that was an issue UM down the field accuracy.

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Speaker 1: While it was great in Detroit, it wasn't great the

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Speaker 1: other two preseason games. So I think he was inconsistent

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Speaker 1: with his down the field accuracy a little bit from

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Speaker 1: time to time. And I think, to me, holding the

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Speaker 1: threw the ball into too much coverage. And we saw

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Speaker 1: he didn't get intercepted in the preseason, but we did

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Speaker 1: see him throw some balls that were interceptible, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean that we're into traffic, that were danger throws.

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Speaker 1: So if I was to pinpoint to three things that

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Speaker 1: worried me about Webb and continue to worry me throughout camp,

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Speaker 1: that being said, I still thought he was one of

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Speaker 1: the top three quarterbacks in the roster, so I was

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Speaker 1: equally surprised that they let him go. But if I

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Speaker 1: him as a player, those would be my three things. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Coach Coach mentioned, Uh he loved the fact that how

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Speaker 1: much he worked, and he loved his his not only

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Speaker 1: nonetheless said, he hopes he gets an opportunity somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: It is what it is. I am shocked, I am surprised.

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Speaker 1: I am stunned. I don't know what else to say,

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Speaker 1: because you folks know I've been a number one president

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Speaker 1: I am extremely, extremely perplexed by this whole thing. What

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Speaker 1: I will say is this, now, understanding that there was

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Speaker 1: It does make it a little bit more difficult, or

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Speaker 1: but that's not how any of us handicapped it. Like

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Speaker 1: I don't think any of us did John that he

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Speaker 1: We knew who they were going to be. So the

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Speaker 1: the revelation by him today about the veteran was certainly

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Speaker 1: something that changed the entire complexion of the deal a

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Speaker 1: by surprise, Um Simonson, he's a veteran. He has history

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Speaker 1: I had hers like on my fifty three, so did you.

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Speaker 1: But I also had inside linebacker as a spot that

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Speaker 1: while t Davis was a really good special teamer in college,

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Speaker 1: Paul he made a couple of tackles. I saw just

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Speaker 1: did Sehn Chandler. And he was another guy that practiced

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Speaker 1: there are two themes that I got out of today. One,

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Speaker 1: Pat Shermer doesn't care where you're drafted and what team

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Speaker 1: I thought had a very very good preseason. Now, perhaps

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Speaker 1: I thought the Giants would have to make a trade

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Speaker 1: They didn't do that, and then they did not find

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Speaker 1: it's it's not a great list, folks. I think that's

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Speaker 1: why there are a couple of new professional football leagues

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Speaker 1: All right, let's do calls Paul to five one three.

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Speaker 1: Reminder Warren's Sharp from Sharp Football. Will I'm on at

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Speaker 1: two o'clock to preview the Giants, the NFC East and

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Tony and d C. He'll lead us off.

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Speaker 1: Hey Tone, Hey James, let will take him on call.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for calling it Tony, what's up? So Mr playoffs filed?

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Speaker 1: The last six seasons no playoff wins, this twenty eleven,

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Speaker 1: the walls, repainted a new sign out front, and Dave

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Speaker 1: Gettleman has delivered. And yeah, and just real quick. He

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Speaker 1: So you right, So I'm gonna ask two questions. I'll

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Speaker 1: If you're not gonna play the scheme that they drafted

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Speaker 1: you for, this makes no sense. That's what your press corner.

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Speaker 1: Draft him to play press corner. It was only a

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Speaker 1: few years later that they Spats got here and Okay,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna play press man corner. The scheme can be

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Speaker 1: incredibly dramatic when a dB, specifically a cornerback, goes to

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Speaker 1: another team. It helped cockroll Cockrell did not fit the

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Speaker 1: scheme well in Pittsburgh. He fit the scheme better with

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Speaker 1: the Giants. Pittsburgh was a zone heavy ski and came

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Speaker 1: here and he played exactly. And that's why the corner list.

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Speaker 1: Don't poo poo the corner list. There could be guys

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Speaker 1: out there that can work for you that that's a

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Speaker 1: fair point. And I should point out that of the

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Speaker 1: guys they brought on, Cameron Moore is a rookie UM

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Speaker 1: at a Boston college, Antonio Hamilton was a three year

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Speaker 1: player at a South Carolina state, and then Mike Um

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Speaker 1: Mike Jordan's. I will not call him Michael Jordan's. It's

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Speaker 1: from Missouri Western State in his third year. And I

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Speaker 1: already told Lancey can't where Bowls. Michael Jordan's jersey on

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Speaker 1: the show. He can't Peter and by the way, he

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Speaker 1: goes by Mike Jordan, not Michael Jordan, by the way.

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Speaker 1: I just want to point that out, and we should

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Speaker 1: point out. I guess I imagine this is probably the

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Speaker 1: giants number one claim. I don't know that to be

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Speaker 1: the case. But Mary Edwards a guy that I'm sure

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Speaker 1: a lot of fans have heard of. He was a

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Speaker 1: fairly high draftic third round pick, right third or second

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Speaker 1: right third. Yeah, I think so too, at a Florida

455
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Speaker 1: State he was formerly with the Raiders. He was like,

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Speaker 1: go by then and waved, and that was one of

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Speaker 1: their waiver claims, and he was basically said today he's

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Speaker 1: gonna play five technique, so he's not gonna be an

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Speaker 1: edge rusher. He's gonna be in that Kerry Win Josh Morrow.

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Speaker 1: In fact, he's pretty much Morrow's replacement, having him going

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Speaker 1: on the four game suspension list. So yeah, remember Morrow

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Speaker 1: does not count on the fifty three. He's fifty four

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Speaker 1: right now. Interesting that you know. He's had some injury

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Speaker 1: history too, but he's also had some productivity. Yes on

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Speaker 1: the day. A couple more calls here um, but then

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get the Warren Sharp who joining us about

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Speaker 1: four minutes. We'll keep it around ten or fifteen minutes,

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Speaker 1: and we will finish the show with your calls, and

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Speaker 1: you guys want to call up and talk about the roster.

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Speaker 1: David Cranford's up next. Hi, Dave, how are you? I'm good, guys. Hey,

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Speaker 1: great new booth there. You guys look sharp and it's

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Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. We're getting there. I'm hoping to have one

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Speaker 1: other adjustment in the coming weeks. But I was in

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Speaker 1: here about four hours this morning getting us ready, and

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Speaker 1: I think it looks pretty good. I appreciate it, looks

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Speaker 1: looks a great job. Um. Yeah, just a couple of

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Speaker 1: things just to throw a ch I mean, I really

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Speaker 1: think that the Davis Webb and the Kyle I think

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Speaker 1: one of the things. And and it's so hard because

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Speaker 1: you get to know these guys, I mean, and you

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Speaker 1: really want to pull for him. And I think Davis

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Speaker 1: Webb was an easy guy to root for. I had

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Speaker 1: a chance to meet him once. He was wonderful. Um.

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Speaker 1: But I think part of it is what what coaches

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Speaker 1: can teach him. What they can and I think you

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Speaker 1: heard some some things just about Davis's webs, you know, demeanor,

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Speaker 1: his almost his his detail, and his energy almost to

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Speaker 1: me worked against them. And and I think that that's

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Speaker 1: one of the things you might be able to teach

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Speaker 1: footwork if you can teach all these other things. But

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Speaker 1: I think, um, you heard one of the things from

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Speaker 1: Shermer about what he loved about Elix and one of

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Speaker 1: the things he loves about eli is how comedy came

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Speaker 1: study and how important that was to him. And and

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Speaker 1: I think that fits Kyle Aleta a lot better. He's

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Speaker 1: got a lot to learn, he's got a lot to go.

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Speaker 1: And if you're just comparing, I think he's a fan

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Speaker 1: the challenges. Just comparing the two of them where they

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Speaker 1: are today, I think you I think you know Davis

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Speaker 1: is is you know, got more, more experience, And I

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Speaker 1: think he played better. I don't think there's any question

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Speaker 1: about that. But I think what they're doing is not

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Speaker 1: just comparing him today. They're looking they're looking forward, um

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Speaker 1: And and that's tough, and it's a tough league. And

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Speaker 1: Davin was the one other thing out too. I think

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Speaker 1: Webb's conversion from his college system to the pro system

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Speaker 1: was always going to be tough to reading both sides

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Speaker 1: of the field, no one where to go with the ball,

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Speaker 1: evaluating NFL defenses as opposed to what he saw in college,

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Speaker 1: where he's reading basically one defender and reading one side

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Speaker 1: of the field. I think you throw that all that together,

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Speaker 1: and I think that also lends to why maybe they

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Speaker 1: were more comfortable with Tanny and low Letta so And

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Speaker 1: I think the other thing I'll leave you with is

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Speaker 1: just more what we're gonna see from a scheme, what

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Speaker 1: we what we don't have at our disposal yet, is

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Speaker 1: what the offensive scheme and what the defensive scheme is

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Speaker 1: gonna look like. And I'll just I'll leave you with this.

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Speaker 1: And I love that you haven't wanted sharp On. I

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Speaker 1: have his Bible, his book, which is unbelievable. I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys are gonna talk about twelve personnel

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Speaker 1: versus Jacksonville defense. My first question about that, That's my

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Speaker 1: first question. What's that? I said, that's my first question. Dave,

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Speaker 1: you got it awesome, which is great. And Paul for

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Speaker 1: for you and and Thomas was a big question mark

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Speaker 1: to me. I was shocked when I taught his name.

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Speaker 1: I get a feeling that they feel like they've got

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Speaker 1: an ability And I'd just like to see what you

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Speaker 1: guys think about this in terms of they could move

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Speaker 1: Hill and Tomlinson and Snacks around those three positions where

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Speaker 1: I almost think you could see Hill or Tomlinson back

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Speaker 1: up Snacks and they feel like they've got enough guys,

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Speaker 1: whether it's Kareem Martin, Connor Barwin, a lot of edge

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Speaker 1: rushers even o V that could come down and play

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Speaker 1: the role of Hill or Tomlinson a lot easier obviously

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Speaker 1: than Snacks. And and obviously that's not going to be

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna see that until until the scheme comes out.

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Speaker 1: But but that's the only thing I can think about

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Speaker 1: in terms of of of how why they're so light

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Speaker 1: in my opinion than most of us thought. So I

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Speaker 1: think you guys have a great day. Thank you. I

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Speaker 1: totally agree with that assessment. John, That's the only logical

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Speaker 1: assessment that anybody could make after the way Robert Thomas.

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Speaker 1: Here here's the issue, though Robert Thomas was the only

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Speaker 1: other true plugger who is a pure nose tackle, a

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Speaker 1: real big wide body who could handle first and second

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Speaker 1: down runs up the middle. I think Tomlinson can do it.

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Speaker 1: I do I think. I think I think he can,

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Speaker 1: But I don't think maybe to the level of Robert Thomas,

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Speaker 1: because I just think that he's more of a of

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Speaker 1: a tweener, you know, and and and and to me,

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Speaker 1: Thomas is just a pure plugger. And I think the

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Speaker 1: Giants wanted to get more athletic. I think they wanted

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Speaker 1: to get younger, and I think that's why they stacked

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Speaker 1: their defensive line with those other guys. But but if

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Speaker 1: if Snacks were to get hurt, I'd be perfectly honest

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Speaker 1: with you, I would be a bit uncomfortable having to

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Speaker 1: force feed one of the athletic defensive linemen into that spot.

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Speaker 1: And remember it's only a three or four defense on

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Speaker 1: the snaps and then you're gonna go to the four down.

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Speaker 1: But do you want to give up five yards on

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Speaker 1: the first down? We'll see, Carrie. Alright, let's let's get

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Speaker 1: to our guest. He's Warren Sharp. You can fall on

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Speaker 1: Twitter at sharp Football. He joins us the preview the

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Speaker 1: Giants and the NFL season. Warren, you got John Schmilkin,

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Speaker 1: Paul Latino here in East Weatherford, New Jersey. How are

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Speaker 1: you today? Hi? I'm doing great. The season is about

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Speaker 1: the start in a good afternoon. Gentlemen, Thanks for having me,

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Speaker 1: no problem before we get started, Warren, I have your

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Speaker 1: Bible in my desk. I was reading it over a

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Speaker 1: Labor Day weekend. Why don't you tell the fans how

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Speaker 1: they can get your season preview? Well, it's a two

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Speaker 1: hundred fifty two full color printed book on Amazon. You

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00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 1: just search for Warren Sharp and it will come up.

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Speaker 1: And if you want the PDF, you can find that

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Speaker 1: at Sharp Football analysis dot com. All right, Warren, let's

577
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Speaker 1: and you're very excited. I know about the type of

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Speaker 1: changes Pat Sherman's gonna bring to this Giant's offense and

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Speaker 1: what we see in the last couple of years under

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Speaker 1: Ben McAdoo. Um, why do you think things are pointed

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Speaker 1: up for this group this year? Al Right? First of all,

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Speaker 1: I just love the dynamic ability of Pat Shermer as

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Speaker 1: a play cooler. He was able to make magic happen

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota being dealt difficult hands with the quarterback being

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Speaker 1: injured in this start of the last couple of seasons.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they had to make these massive quarterback changes

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Speaker 1: and you guys haven't had to deal with that with

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Speaker 1: Eli being such a rock of your offense, of course,

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Speaker 1: with the exception of when he was manually removed for

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Speaker 1: a week, but apart from that, you know, you've had

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Speaker 1: this stable guy and that hasn't been the case up

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota, and Sherman has been able to make magic.

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Speaker 1: Now he's got a great and dynamic wide receiving corps,

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Speaker 1: but you guys have obviously one of the most exciting

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Speaker 1: wide receivers in the NFL with Beckham Jr. So I'm

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Speaker 1: excited to see what the style and the fact that

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Speaker 1: he's going to be so multiple with his formations and

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Speaker 1: and just the personnel groupings that he utilizes. That's going

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Speaker 1: to give edges because I think they're going to seek

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Speaker 1: out the weaknesses of the defensive capitalize on those, as

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Speaker 1: opposed to what we saw the past couple of years,

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Speaker 1: a lot of which was just we're gonna run eleven

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Speaker 1: personnel because that's our identity, as opposed to really scheming

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Speaker 1: towards the opponent's weakness. Is Yeah, I believe clearly the

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Speaker 1: addition to say Kwan Barkley to the variety of things

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Speaker 1: that they're going to be able to do well actually

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Speaker 1: disguise cloak, if you want to say multifaceinated identity, the

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Speaker 1: Giants will have. I think that's really what's gonna happen

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Speaker 1: here because they're just They're just not gonna be one

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Speaker 1: identity for this Giant's offense. So I'm curious as to

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Speaker 1: your thoughts. We think that Barkley is gonna catch a

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Speaker 1: lot of checkdowns, screens, dump offs, but we also think

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Speaker 1: he's gonna run some stuff up the sideline and goes

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Speaker 1: deep some as well. What what is your take on that?

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Speaker 1: Warren how how do you see him being used as

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Speaker 1: they were running back in the NFL that you could

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Speaker 1: see giving the playbook too. In terms of what Barkley

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Speaker 1: will do, It's really going to be fun to watch

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Speaker 1: what he does in this offense and how much he's utilized.

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Speaker 1: There's such an efficiency edge when you throw the football

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Speaker 1: to running back on early downs. It's very easily easy

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Speaker 1: to exploit opposing defense is when you get them in

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Speaker 1: their base personnel and then you throw the football to

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Speaker 1: the running back. So we're not talking third down when

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Speaker 1: the defense is obviously in a different package and it's

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Speaker 1: a predictable passing situation, and so one of the potential

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Speaker 1: targets that you're going to throw the football too is

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Speaker 1: a running back. That's the worst time you can target

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Speaker 1: a running back. If you want to get a first

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Speaker 1: down on a third down, you're gonna have your most success.

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Speaker 1: You're like most likely to get a first down when

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Speaker 1: you throw the football to a tight end or a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver, not to a running back, but when you

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Speaker 1: throw the ball to a running back on early down.

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Speaker 1: Many teams have a equal to if not better success

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Speaker 1: rate on those running back targets than they do to

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Speaker 1: wide receiver targets. And you can utilize them in so

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Speaker 1: many different ways. Uh, Like you said, you can use

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Speaker 1: as a safety valve, but you can also design some

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Speaker 1: things including beyond just screen passes. And as the season progresses,

641
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Speaker 1: I'm guessing that we're going to see more and more

642
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: of that unfold with Shermer's offense. But there's absolutely no

643
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: doubt that when you stick them on the field and

644
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: you look like you've got your base personnel like a

645
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: twelve or twenty one, and you have Barkley out there,

646
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: it's actually gonna be quite advantageous to make it look

647
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: like this is a run play, but actually throw him

648
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: the football instead of throwing to a wide receiver, but

649
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: actually throw it to him. And that's another thing. When

650
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: you take a running back as high up in the

651
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: draft board and give as much opportunity costs to taking

652
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: a running back, it's imperative, like you need four healthy

653
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: seasons out of this guy and hopefully more down the road.

654
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 1: Getting the ball to these guys in space as a

655
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: receiver will help extend their career. It's going to enhance

656
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: their longevity because they don't have to take as many

657
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: rushes working through that big offensive line, through the defensive line,

658
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: being tackled by running linebackers coming down. You can eat

659
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: the opposing team in space. I like that opportunity much more.

660
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: I like your math because John, I think we would

661
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: agree it's a lot nicer to get hit by a

662
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: guy about a hundred and eight unds and someone who's

663
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: about three forty or maybe two eighty. Yeah, you don't

664
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: want those guys falling on your lower extremities. That's the thing.

665
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: When you're working amongst that condensed area of the line,

666
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 1: it's just more likely that something bad could happen. And

667
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: so you really do extend these running backs careers if

668
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: you you still need to use them a lot. And

669
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: of course he's a running back first and foremost, but

670
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: shift of those rushes that you ordinarily would call his

671
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: run play to him, shift those two receptions for him

672
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: and targets in the passing game. All right, Warren, we

673
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: want to get to the NFL stuff with the overall

674
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: in the league, but I want to get a couple

675
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: of things in the Giants defense. First. I think we

676
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: both like what James Betcher did when he was in

677
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: Arizona scheme very well, but he had a lot of

678
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: talented players to Patch Peterson, Ron, Matthew, guys that could

679
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: do what he likes to do. How do you see

680
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: this Giants defensive personnel matching up with what Betcher likes

681
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: to do with his scheme and can they pull it off? Um?

682
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be and they're just going

683
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: to look different within competent offense and with a run

684
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: game that's actually confunction and it's going to I'm never

685
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: a fan of like, let's run the ball to keep

686
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: our defense rested. That's not the way you win games

687
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: in the league. But because the offense is going to

688
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: be more efficient, they'll have a better time of possession

689
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: on the field, and that will inevitably help the defense

690
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: to scheme things better as they're resting on the sidelines.

691
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: And also the big thing is put the defense into

692
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: put the opposing offense into more difficult, predictable situations. When you're,

693
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: you know, the the Giants last season, obviously we're a

694
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: very difficult situation, winning only three games. So oftentimes in

695
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: that second half, the opposing offense could do whatever they wanted,

696
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: the entire playbook was open to them. But when you

697
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: get the opposing team in a deficit in that second half,

698
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: suddenly it's a lot easier to play defense because you

699
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: kind of know what's coming. And I think that's one

700
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: of the things that Betterer didn't really have the advantage

701
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: of in Arizona very much, and I think they're going

702
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: to have that ability here now. I am a little

703
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: bit concerned about the blitz frequency that he utilized a lot,

704
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: because I think they would be more it would be

705
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: more advantageous to dial that back them, especially with some

706
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: of the quarterback in the in their division, some of

707
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: the experience levels there that they aren't playing you know,

708
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: rookie quarterbacks or guys that don't really know what they're doing.

709
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: These are all somewhat veteran quarterbacks of various skill sets, So, UM,

710
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, we'll have to see I don't want to

711
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: see a lot of blitzing, but I think there's definitely

712
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: gonna be opportunities that they're going to blitz. I think

713
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: they're going to be a much better situation in the

714
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: second half, and I do think that they're going to

715
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: do Uh, they're going to fare very well in his

716
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: system overall. What is the biggest change you will see

717
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: in the deployment or do you think we'll see in

718
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: the deployment of land and Collins. We have spent so

719
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: much of this offseason talking about him as someone who

720
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: can be used all over this defense. From your metrics,

721
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: what what do you suppose they will do with him

722
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: differently that we haven't seen before. Well, that's a very difficult,

723
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 1: uh prognostication. Uh, the way I know I typically operates,

724
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: I want to see what see how it works, and

725
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: obviously we're not going to see a whole lot of

726
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: that in preseason. I will tell you that, UM, a

727
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: lot of the teams. One of the things that they

728
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: faced last season, they they faced teams that had a

729
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: very high pass to run ratio, teams that like to

730
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: pass the ball a lot more last season. This season

731
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: it actually reverses. We see we're seeing a lot more

732
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: teams on their schedule that actually like to run the

733
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: ball a fair amount. You're seeing teams I mean, the Redskins, surprisingly,

734
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 1: but they faced them last year. But you've got teams

735
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Speaker 1: like the Bears, and teams like the Bucks who should

736
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: but they cheuse to run it a lot more often Jacksonville.

737
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of teams I think that they're

738
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: going to be in situations, especially the Cowboys of course,

739
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: but new teams that they're going to face that are

740
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: going to be more run Is he gone? Did we

741
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: lose Warren there this year? Based on metrics from last year,

742
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: if those teams stayed consistent, the third most run heavy

743
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: schedule of teams this upcoming season, so I think they

744
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: are going to land in cons employment can look a

745
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: lot different when these teams that they're facing are more

746
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: run oriented. So it remains to be seen exactly in

747
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: what manners, but I think that they will have excellent

748
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: opportunity to improve his overall effectiveness in the scheme because

749
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: of that schedule and Warren and we're drawn by Warren

750
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: Sharp at Sharp Football on Twitter. You can search for

751
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: Warren Sharp on Amazon to download and purchases League Preview,

752
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: which is really fantastic and I think Warre One of

753
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: the things I like about the book is that you

754
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: analyze the team's future performance based on their opponents a lot,

755
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: and you are able to predict quite accurately. I might add,

756
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: um the characteristics of these opponents and how that might

757
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: affect that particular team with the schedule. So besides what

758
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: you just mentioned in terms of the run pass ratio,

759
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: anything else jump out to you in terms of the

760
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: Giants opponents and their schedule this year which might really

761
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: um impact what the results are going to be. Well,

762
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things, well, one on each side

763
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: of the ball. If we talked about the it's offense.

764
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: One of the things that their opponents last season we're

765
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: really good at is preventing explosive past play those defenses

766
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: that you guys had to face. And mind you, you

767
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: were dealing with the second most injured wide receiver corps.

768
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: That's no news to you. With metric wire it was

769
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: the second most injured and you guys were facing the

770
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: fourth most difficult schedule of past defenses in terms of

771
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 1: explosive passing. And that's one of the things I wrote

772
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: in the book is that you guys really need to

773
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: get Eli Manning throwing the football down the field. He

774
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 1: only had twelve completions of twenty plus air yards last season.

775
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: That was a glaring weakness, and in part it came

776
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: because of the wide receiver depth and injury rate, as

777
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: well as the overall defenses. This year, you play a

778
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: much easier schedule of opposing explosive past defenses. They actually

779
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: ranked twentieth in the league. But the catches you play

780
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: much more difficult pass rushes. Now, the good thing there

781
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: is you obviously have an improved offensive line. Hopefully they'll

782
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 1: protect Eli because that's first and foremost when you're trying

783
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: to throw the football down the field. So you're gonna

784
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 1: these difficult pass rushes. But with a better offensive line,

785
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: hopefully that will negate it. Hopefully, in addition, with Barkley there,

786
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: you can get a little bit more play action and

787
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: other things that will make the defense hold up for

788
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: just to split second. That will allow you to complete

789
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: some of those passes down the field. But when you

790
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: are able to, you will have juicier targets to attack

791
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: in that secondary that's on the offensive side of the ball.

792
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: On the defensive side of the ball. We just talked

793
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: about how these teams like to run the ball a

794
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: lot more than they did last season. You're also going

795
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: to face teams that are much better at running the football.

796
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons they will run the ball.

797
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: Last season, you played the fourth easiest schedule of rushing offenses,

798
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: so your defense played a very easy schedule of rushing offenses.

799
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: This year, it's the eighth most difficult schedule of rushing offenses.

800
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: So they'll have to contend with teams that like to

801
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: run the ball and are good at running the football,

802
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: totally different than what they faced last season. Final one

803
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: for me warned about the Giants has to be on

804
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: special teams because field position was not something they got

805
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: a whole lot of good things out of last year.

806
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 1: They had dreadful field position and it really, in my mind,

807
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: certainly impacted some of what went wrong. Um in your opinion,

808
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: based on the schematics that you have looked at, is

809
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: it critical that with all the kickoffs that are not

810
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: being run back, Although we think the rule change is

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00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: going to entice kickoff returns. Is it critical to have

812
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: a terrific return guy, whether it's a punt or a

813
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: kickoff return guy, or more critical that they just hold

814
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: onto the ball, don't turn it over, just get the

815
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: offense on the field, and then just have coverage units

816
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: that will help your feel position on the other side

817
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: of the fifty. Well, there's there's always hidden elements of

818
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: efficiency and things that can help your ability to win games.

819
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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily believe that because the way that they

820
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: are they are working with the kicks, it is a

821
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: lot easier. I believe to reduce the efficiency, reduce the

822
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: ability of a returner to play a role in the

823
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: NFL um And so with that being minimized lightly, I

824
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: think that it's less imperative that you have a great

825
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 1: return er. It's more imperative that you make educated decisions.

826
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Speaker 1: If we're talking about forget kickoffs for a second, about

827
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: when you're going to be punning the football and giving

828
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,479
Speaker 1: it back to the opposing team. We saw a team

829
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: in your division when the Super Bowl because they made

830
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: a lot of smart decisions on fourth dound of when

831
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: to be aggressive and and and when not to be

832
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: aggressive and punted. That's the more critical thing. It's it's

833
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: down to coaching now and decision making as opposed to

834
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: having a great return er. I do think they are

835
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: going to be a factor. I mean, when if you

836
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: get points, non offensive touchdowns are massive ways to win

837
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: games in the NFL. Putting up seven points without your

838
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: offense even being out on the field is a huge

839
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: edge in terms of your ability to win that football game.

840
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: So if you can get it, that's great, But more

841
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: and more it's going to be difficult for a good

842
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: return er. After the first few weeks of opposing team

843
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: seeing what he's doing, they're gonna have a much better

844
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: game plan and give that guy far less opportunities in

845
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: the future. More an NFC East, how do you break

846
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: it down? Do you see a team flowing awful lot?

847
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: Do you see another team rising up? Um? What's your

848
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 1: take on the Giants? Competition inside the division? The division

849
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: is is difficult, but you know, look, the good thing

850
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: is you've seen what the Eagles were able to do

851
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: last season. They obviously have a quarterback issue that they're

852
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: trying to figure out with injuries right now. Um, but

853
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: you kind of have an idea as to what this

854
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: team likes to do now and this style of football

855
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: that they're playing after seeing them last season. Um And,

856
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: I think that your team, obviously is the biggest jump

857
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: up from any team last year to this year. Is

858
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: what you guys are going to do now. That's not

859
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: a surprise in terms of the odds makers are are

860
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: suggesting the same. Uh and, and the betting public is

861
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: also betting a lot on you guys to exceed your

862
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: season win total. But the issue to me is that

863
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: I see a lot of problems with the Dallas Cowboys.

864
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: I don't see them. I see you guys as having

865
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: a great shot at being the number two teams in

866
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: this division with enough improvement. The Cowboys are team even

867
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: though they've gotten Zeke all sixteen weeks. Hopefully for them,

868
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: they are a team that I think has a stealing

869
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: based upon their coaching. They've got a stealing in terms

870
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: of their ability to excel because of their coaching, and

871
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: it's definitely a concern plus issues along the offensive line.

872
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: They want to be a run first team. It's a

873
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: passing league. I just think that there's they don't want

874
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: to target the running backs as much like, I think

875
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna target Barkley a lot more. They're

876
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 1: gonna target Elliott even though they should be targeting Elliot

877
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: a lot more. They wanted the least targeted towards running

878
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: backs teams in the league, so I don't really love

879
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: the coaching there. And then the Redskins. I mean the Redskins. Look,

880
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: they actually, surprisingly enough, were the third most run heavy

881
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: team on first downs in the first half of anybody

882
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: in the league last season. The only two teams that

883
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: ran it more often than Jay Gruden did was the

884
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears, who had Mike one in the first four

885
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: weeks and been transitioned to a true rookie in Mr. Robinsky,

886
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: and then the Houston Texans, who didn't start to challenge

887
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: up Watson week one, got him for what like six weeks,

888
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: and then lost them again. And we're on too, Tom

889
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 1: Savage and the like, so moor endous quarterback situations and

890
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: and so they just don't have the intelligent play calling.

891
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: They don't pass the ball enough on early downs. So

892
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: that's a team I think they're ceiling. Is somewhat limited

893
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: as well as well as talent wise, So I like

894
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: Alex Smith I think he's not really a downgrade over

895
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, to be honest, but I don't see the

896
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: upside with that team from their coaching perspective. So I

897
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: think you guys have a great opportunity to fight for

898
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: that second place in that division. Um, And look, it's

899
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: not like the Eagles or slam Dunks to go furthest

900
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: They do have a more talented roster from top to

901
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: bottom in my opinion, But there's always the outside shot

902
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: that you guys could make some magic happen this season.

903
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: The final question for Warren Sharp and Warren this is

904
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: a philosophical question. We did an hour show with the

905
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: analytics guys over a Pro Football Focus back in March,

906
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: and this was probably about a twenty minute of conversation. Well,

907
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: obviously keep it shorter here. Um. One big theme in

908
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: the beginning part of your book where you talk about

909
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: your big takeaways with the NFL season is running the

910
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 1: ball on first and tent, especially in the first half,

911
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: is wildly inefficient and running a ball on second intent

912
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: is almost insane based on the results you get from it,

913
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: and it's just not gonna help you win football games.

914
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: Is that basically correct? Correct? I mean, if you look

915
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: at like we just mentioned the Washington Redskins, they were

916
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: a team that was substantially to run heavy, even when

917
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 1: they weren't running the football very well. But the reality

918
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: is that a lot of coaches in the league have

919
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: this stigma and fear of throwing the football too much

920
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: on first down because they look at the negative and

921
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: they look at the floor, and the floor is I mean,

922
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: obviously you could throw an interception, okay, but let's avoid

923
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: turnovers because you could also fumble the ball when you're

924
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: running it. But if you look at the floor, it's

925
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: either a sack or let's say the most likely outcome

926
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: is an incomplete path. So you're getting zero yards and

927
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: you're going to be faced with the second intent. The

928
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: problem is is that that floor has risen over the

929
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: last twenty plus years. The completion rate has increased by

930
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: seven percent from fifty percent up to sixty which is

931
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: a massive jump over the years. But teas they're still

932
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: running the football at the same rate as they were

933
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. They're still league wide going about past

934
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 1: run and they need to be going a lot more

935
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: past heavy on these first and ten plays. The average

936
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: yards per attempt has risen as well because the completion

937
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: rate has risen and you have a much better floor

938
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: you can design. I mean, we didn't have this back

939
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: ten years ago. All of these routes that you can

940
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: run over the short middle of field and not have

941
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: to worry about being hit with defenders because of all

942
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: the new hit rules that they love it. And the

943
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are much safer as well, So offensive coordinators can

944
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: design so much more to keep their players safer and

945
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: have high efficiency targets on these plays. And all of

946
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: these plays are going to gain more average yards than

947
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: a run play. And I'll give you one interesting anecdote

948
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: from last season. The New Orleans Saints, the best rushing

949
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: offense in the entire NFL, ended up running the football

950
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: a lot more on first down last year than they

951
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: did in the prior couple of seasons. But what did

952
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: they end up doing on second and third down? They

953
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: had to pass the ball more often than they did

954
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: in the prior years. Why would a team who's the

955
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: best in the NFL at rushing, who ran the ball

956
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: a lot on first down have to be more pass

957
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: heavy on second and third down. It's because they had

958
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: more average yards to go on second and third down,

959
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: and the reason is than an average run play, even

960
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: from the best in the NFL the Saints, was still

961
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 1: lower than what the average pass play was from Drew

962
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 1: Brees on his average attempt, so they had more yards

963
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: to go and they actually dropped from the number one

964
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,959
Speaker 1: third down conversion team in to the number twenty third

965
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 1: down conversion team last season. It's because they had more

966
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: yards to go on third down, as well as some

967
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: injuries to the wide receiver position. But the point being

968
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: that even the best rushing team in the league will

969
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: see a negative side effect from running the ball too

970
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: much on first down. So I think the Saints are

971
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: gonna end up passing them ball more on first down

972
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: this year, even though they still have a great run game,

973
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: And I think all teams are better served by increasing

974
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: their pass rate on first down. And I mean it

975
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 1: shouldn't even be at the fate the second intent. Run

976
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: plays are just horrendously inefficient and don't really do much

977
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: to set yourself up for winning and actually converting on

978
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: third down. Teams think, oh, if we get three to

979
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: four yards here, we'll have a better chance of converting

980
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: on third and five, third and six, But that's an

981
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: obvious past situation for any defense. I would much rather

982
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: be in second intent and pass and try to get

983
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: a first down on that play, and then be on

984
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: third intent and pass and try to get have two

985
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: passing attempts to get a first down rather than just one,

986
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: knowing that my second intent run play is not going

987
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: to get me that first down, all right, warrant, I

988
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: just want to follow up real quick. Isn't there though

989
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: a balance you still have to strike? Because unless I'm

990
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: wrong in my assumption here, the reason first down passes

991
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: are so successful and efficient is because generally teams are

992
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: still trying to defend the run on first and ten,

993
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: especially early end games, they're gonna be in base personnel,

994
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: so passes are going to be more successful than they are.

995
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: And say, like you know, urd and six start and

996
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: seven second and eight things like that, these teams might

997
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: be in their sub packages. So if teams do go

998
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: to a high percentage pass play selection on first downs,

999
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: won't defenses than adju and the passing will become less efficient.

1000
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: So doesn't there still have to be some type of

1001
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: balance where you still have to make the defense believe

1002
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: you're going to run the ball in order to make

1003
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: your first down passes efficient or do I not have

1004
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: that formula correct? No, your formula is correct. I mean

1005
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: the reality is the most pass heavy teams in the

1006
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: league last season were the Steelers and the Eagles, and

1007
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: they were still like fifty s passed on first and

1008
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: ten in the first half of games. So we're still

1009
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: talking four to just over four on average got it

1010
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: run plays out of every ten, So there still is

1011
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,959
Speaker 1: a balance. But what we're talking is you can't be

1012
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: like the Redskins and the brown and the and the

1013
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: Texans and the Bears, where you're down at like thirty

1014
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: eight percent thirty five pass that's ridiculously inefficient, and you

1015
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: do have to have the balance. But the thing that

1016
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 1: I love about the NFL is that it will all

1017
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: work itself out. When we talk about we want to

1018
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: pass more on first down, that doesn't mean a pass

1019
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: and number two exactly like you said, when you pass

1020
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: the ball more, defenses will adjust if they feel like

1021
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: they need to put out their dime packages or or

1022
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: sub packages. Then guess what. Now you have more advantageous

1023
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: run situations where you could run the ball on these

1024
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: on these teams and have better gains. So you always

1025
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: want to be able to be flexible as offensive coordinator

1026
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,479
Speaker 1: and call plays that are going to be in your

1027
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: best interest. And that means starting out being a little

1028
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 1: bit more pass heavy, and then if the defense starts

1029
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: to adjust, then you switch a little bit more to

1030
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: run heavy. And it's always a chess match, but the

1031
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 1: key is staying ahead of that defense dictate to them,

1032
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 1: rather than letting them dictate to you and just running

1033
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: into loaded boxes just because you want to try to

1034
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: establish your physicality or rushing on first down. And I

1035
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: think you would agree. The only asterisks to that entire

1036
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: conversation you just had there about the whole first down

1037
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: situation is that situational football does change everything because if

1038
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: you have the lead in the fourth quarter, guess what

1039
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: chances are you going to run the ball in first down?

1040
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: And that's still a good play because you want the

1041
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: clock to run. You don't want to take the chance

1042
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: of any completion which is going to stop it. No

1043
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: matter how low the percentage is, situational football still does

1044
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: come into play in certain times. That's why they call

1045
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: it situational football. And that's why from my analysis, what

1046
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: I like to do is I like to avoid the

1047
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: situations where like first intend run plays won't gain very

1048
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: many yards, but they're more effective because it's latent games

1049
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: are trying to exactly. So for this analysis, all these

1050
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: numbers that I'm discussing, I was only looking at the

1051
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: first half of games because third downs and second halfs

1052
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 1: are reactionary downs or that's when teams you're calling things

1053
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: differently based upon the yards to go if it's a

1054
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: third down, or based upon the situation, what's the lead

1055
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: and stuff is when you want to look at. Yeah,

1056
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: the stuff in the second half is, especially the fourth

1057
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: quarter is a lot less scripted. There's no question about that.

1058
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody that comes out the script and

1059
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: stuff exactly, So you don't want to when you're analyzing

1060
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: this stuff, I avoid it. I suggest to other people too,

1061
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: you got to carve out like the fourth quarter, you

1062
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: want to carve out even you know, I like to

1063
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: look at for this, we're talking about philosophy. That was

1064
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: your idea of a question, the line of philosophy. So

1065
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: I want to look at just in the first half,

1066
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: when coaches are trying to get their philosophy in there,

1067
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: play their game script in the first quarter. Uh, then

1068
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Speaker 1: work on adjusting things in the second quarter before halftime.

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Speaker 1: What is their philosophy, That's what we're looking at here.

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Speaker 1: And absolutely in the second half you want to adjust

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00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: to be a little bit more run heavy. If you

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Speaker 1: have the lead, Warren great Stuff, one more time before

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Speaker 1: you say goodbye, tell the fans how they can find

1074
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: your work on Twitter and find your NFL preview. You

1075
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: can follow me on Twitter at sharp Football. My pin

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00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: tweet on Twitter has the link to the pdf at

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Speaker 1: Shark Football Analysis dot com or the book if you

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00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: want to buy the printed copy on Amazon. Warren great Stuff.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate the time and we'll talk to you soon. Okay, enjoy,

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00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: enjoy the season. Real football is finally here. Thank you, guys.

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00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: I will good stuff. That's Warren Sharp Sharp at sharp

1082
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: football on Twitter does a good job. And what I

1083
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: like about Warren is that he does a ton of

1084
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: work with his numbers, Paul, but he applied it to

1085
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: the game properly because he understands the way it is played.

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00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: And I think there's a good balance there in what

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00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: he does well. You know, the interesting part is we

1088
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 1: talk about preseason games are important because we're watching try

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00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: to see who's going to make the team. Well, for

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00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: an analytics guy, they don't even care about prese Now

1091
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: you can't. So so that fourth preseason game that a

1092
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: lot of people say is so dreadful and so painful

1093
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: to watch, it's kind of like watching coffee percolate or

1094
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 1: grass grow. Well, analytics guys, they don't even worry about

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00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: watching that fourth preseason game. It's not an issue for them.

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00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: I promised the three cars that we'd get to you,

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Speaker 1: and we are. If we go a little bit late.

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Speaker 1: That's on. It's the first show of the year's labor day.

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00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: We can be a little bit more relaxed. It's all good,

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Speaker 1: So we'll make sure we get all you guys in.

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00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: But before that, one reminds you that Big lu Kike

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Speaker 1: Christine and you guys are up next. Dan, what's going on? Pal?

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00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: Hey guys? How are you? Yeah? It was good. Warren

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00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 1: Waren was real informative, the best. Yeah, he was good.

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00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 1: Um I had two things real quick. Um. One is

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00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: like more of a comment that I want your opinion

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00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: on and then one of the quarterback question. So I'm

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00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: trying to get excited for the season as I do

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00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 1: every year, a lot of optimism and want to see Barkley,

1113
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: Beckham Ingram with Elis see what they can do. But

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00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: then I wanted to know do we put six or

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00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: seven claims in on the waivers because I don't know

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Speaker 1: the answer to this, but that seems very high and

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00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: I'll look at that's our roster. That kind of that

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00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: kind of tells me that's a bad sign at our

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00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: fifty three. They wanted to turn over Dan. And here's

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Speaker 1: the thing we talked about it before before waiver claims,

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00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: that you'd new coach and new gm um. They went

1122
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: three and thirteen last year. You put those two things together,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have a lot of changes. And I think

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Speaker 1: All and I both thought four to five would be

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Speaker 1: a good number for waiver claims, and they got up

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Speaker 1: to six, which was the most in the league. Tied

1127
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Speaker 1: and tied I think tied with the Cleveland Browns and

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Speaker 1: the Browns only a five. I think the Browns only

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Speaker 1: them turning over the roster and all that stuff I'm

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00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: talking about, like the after the final fifty three, they

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00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: wanted to turn over twelve more of that. So it

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00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: was just it was troubling to me to put it

1133
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: that way that they don't think that highly of this

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Speaker 1: roster or at least made only the depth on this

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Speaker 1: roster um. So it is high, Okay, I didn't I

1136
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: wasn't sure about previous year. It was, it was, it was,

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00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: and last year there was an average of four players,

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Speaker 1: roughly four players per team. There were about a hundred

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00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: and forty five players or so that changed teams between

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Speaker 1: the fifty three and the first game of the season,

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00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: so that comes out to an average of about four

1142
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: players or so per team, So that gives you a

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Speaker 1: gauge of what what the norm is. I will also

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Speaker 1: tell you, since the Giants are second on the waiver

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00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: claim list through the first three weeks of this season,

1146
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: don't be shocked if you continue to see guys change

1147
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: on this roster for the next three weeks because there

1148
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: were business Now that that'll be good too, because this

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00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: isn't it something with the money or something. If you're

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00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: not on the start, like after the week one, you

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00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 1: don't can guarantee it, so maybe there'll be somebody better

1152
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: that we might didn't want to pay a full contract

1153
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,959
Speaker 1: to quick question though about the quarterbacks, and Paul, don't

1154
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: do not take this personally. I want your honest opinion

1155
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: on this. So I called before the draft and I

1156
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: asked you, and John was hosting. I said, if we

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Speaker 1: didn't have let on this on this roster and we

1158
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: had a backup quarterback like a car Geno Smith, a

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00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: surgery type, I said, what's your opinion on drafting a

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Speaker 1: quarterback at to be any different given that was our

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Speaker 1: quarterback and not Web. And you said, well, it would

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Speaker 1: have to be and basically made it sound like you

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00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: know because I know you really believed in Webb. Given

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Speaker 1: that Web is now off of this roster, and with

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Speaker 1: the benefit of hindsight of what we have seen in

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Speaker 1: the preseason from some of these quarterbacks, most notably Donald,

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00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: do you personally feel that Barkley was still the right

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Speaker 1: decision to make? And if so, if you do believe

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00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: Barkeley was our decision, I just want and this we're

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Speaker 1: both you guys. What do you think about the long

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Speaker 1: term future of the quarterback position given that Eli's only

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Speaker 1: under contract for maybe two more years, Like how much

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Speaker 1: longer do you believe that Eli can play at a

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Speaker 1: high level? Maybe um and maybe they go like a

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Speaker 1: on a year to year basis with him or something,

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Speaker 1: because I just don't see how we have anything right

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Speaker 1: now at quarterback behind Eli, even with Tanny as a veteran.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that guy's a good journeyman. So it's just unsettled,

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Speaker 1: and I, I don't know. I just feel like we're

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Speaker 1: gonna end up having a draft a guy in a

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Speaker 1: few three or four or five years or something. And

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Speaker 1: damn appreciate you can clarify my my my position on

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00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: the on the draft thing again, and it's been said

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00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: on this this show many times, but it is important

1185
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: to clarify because many people on Twitter, we're getting on

1186
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: me the last couple of days, and they weren't, but

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00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: they weren't exactly getting it right. Were three reasons why

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00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: I insisted that the Giants draft Barkley, in no certain order.

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Speaker 1: I believed in Davis Webb is the next guy. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I believe that se Kwan Barkley was a Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame caliber talent. He said that too, okay. And number three,

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Speaker 1: I also did not think that any of these quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: were Hall of Fame caliber quarterbacks. I thought they were overhyped,

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Speaker 1: and I could say, you, he said that to me

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Speaker 1: off the wear off the air as well as on

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Speaker 1: the air. I can vouch for that thousands of times?

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Speaker 1: Did I say a million times? So I had three

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Speaker 1: reasons why I was not taking a quarterback at number two.

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Speaker 1: So you would still take Barkley if you went back

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Speaker 1: in time, I still would, But yes, you are right.

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00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: If Webb wasn't on this team, I would have had

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Speaker 1: to evaluate again, maybe think about it again, reconfigure my calculations,

1203
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: but I probably still would have taken Barkley. And let

1204
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: me just add one other, tiny, tiny caveat here. And

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Speaker 1: I think this is very important to note. When when

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Speaker 1: we saw what we saw at the combine, John, and

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Speaker 1: that's when I aid my final decision that Barkley had

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Speaker 1: to be the guy, because you remember, that's what I

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00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: because before that I was Quint Nelson guy, and the

1210
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: combine made me change my mind. I think what we

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Speaker 1: have to understand is that no matter what we say today,

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Speaker 1: this is not going to play out for another four

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Speaker 1: or five years. And that's the truth. Yeah, And I

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00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,439
Speaker 1: think that's to the point of a second question. Eli

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00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: might have two more years left on his contract, and

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Speaker 1: I've kind of started going this way after the draft,

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00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: and I feel better about it now. That doesn't mean

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00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: that Eli has time here, has done after two years.

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Speaker 1: If he's still playing, Yeah, he's gonna stay and he's

1220
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Speaker 1: gonna keep being the quarterback. Now you asked how many

1221
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Speaker 1: how much longer does Eli have to play at this

1222
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: high level? I don't know. I mean, guys age differently.

1223
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: It could be this year, it could be three years

1224
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: from now. I have no idea, So we'll if they

1225
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: just wait and see Dan I will. I know you

1226
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: want a better answer than that. Um, there's just no

1227
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: way to know. I mean, and if I can reiterate,

1228
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Speaker 1: I did say that my favorite quarterback in the class

1229
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: was Josh Allen and I'm still moving off of that. Okay.

1230
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Speaker 1: I don't run from anything that I say, so don't

1231
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: be afraid to ask me. I'm still here and I'll

1232
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: tell you exactly what the truth did. And that was

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Speaker 1: a very fair call. Yes, I appreciate it. Thank you

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Speaker 1: to five on three Chris and Syracuses up next, Chris,

1235
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 1: what's up, hey, how you guys doing. What's up, funny

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Speaker 1: happy regular season week. I just got a comment and

1237
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Speaker 1: a question. I guess question the questions. First, Um, what's

1238
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: going on? Was Olivia Vernon? He was He was not

1239
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: out there in the practice field today. He was out

1240
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: he was doing rehab work with the training staff. According

1241
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: to head coach Pat Shermer. Uh, they're hopeful he'll be

1242
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: out there on the practice field on Wednesday. But then

1243
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: Shermer said, but he wasn't out here today, So what

1244
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: does that tell you? So, um, I don't feel great

1245
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: about him this week. I'd say I'd say under fifty

1246
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: shot he's out there, but uh, we'll see. And here's

1247
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: the thing. You don't want him, Chris to go out

1248
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: there and try to play on it. We saw him

1249
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: trying to do that last year and he was a

1250
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: shell of himself. So let him take his time. It

1251
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: might be painful, but I'd rather have Olivia Vernon at

1252
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: full strength in week three than dealing with him at

1253
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: like the whole year, just so we can play the

1254
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: first two games of the year. You know what I mean?

1255
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: No question, no question, real quick on. The comment kind

1256
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: of ties into what you guys are just talking about

1257
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: a minute ago. Um, I love every move that we've

1258
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: made since the firing of recent McAdoo. Not to celebrate

1259
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: their you know there strike or whatever, but I love

1260
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: everything that's happened since then, and I'm not sweating a

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01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: quarterback thing at all. I do think it kind of

1262
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: comes down to um uh, the kids showing a little

1263
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: bit more moxy in a little bit more presence. They're

1264
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: just the natural and tangibles. That what we've been talking about.

1265
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Speaker 1: But I'm going down on the ely ship and I

1266
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: think he's got a lot of time to play. And

1267
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: if he's three or four years, that's an eternity in

1268
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: the NFL anyway, like all of us are anybody's looking

1269
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: out that far. So anyways, guys, all of us are

1270
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: on the ely ship. He's the captain. Did you let

1271
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: it go? As far as you lie? Man? He takes him.

1272
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: We're all on a gentleman's on a charmers on and

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01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm on it, Pauls on it, The team's on it.

1274
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: John marras on it. You wise, the captain of the ship.

1275
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: All right, And and there there there isn't a mutiny

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Speaker 1: coming anytime soon. Let me tell you, to this day,

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Speaker 1: to this day, there is still not a throw that

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Speaker 1: he can't make. And the best sign that maybe he

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Speaker 1: can play well through his early forties that he never

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Speaker 1: gets hurt, and the guys that do tend to Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady Drew Brees. Those guys don't get hurt and then

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Speaker 1: they tend to play. We have one more Ian and

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Speaker 1: Sara Soto will wrap us up, but before that, we

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Speaker 1: want to remind you that Big Blue Kick Off Live

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Speaker 1: is presented by cores Light. Download the cores Light Rewards

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Speaker 1: after an amazing Giants prizes throughout the season. Ian, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, good show so far. Your question? I got

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Speaker 1: a question. I probably should know the answer too. But

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Speaker 1: it's about the waivers and how they work. Uh? Is

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Speaker 1: it to where they put in this waiver claim not

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Speaker 1: knowing that they're guaranteed that they're going to get that player,

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Speaker 1: and then it's like, oh crap, we got the six

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Speaker 1: players and now we have to release six How did

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Speaker 1: How does that work? Um? You put in all your

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Speaker 1: claims at once, you put a priority on your claim.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if this is true. But let's say,

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Speaker 1: for example, the Giants decided that Mario Edwards was the

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Speaker 1: best guy that they wanted, they would put a claimant

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Speaker 1: on Edwards unless the Browns claimed him, who were first.

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Speaker 1: They would get Edwards and the Giants moved to the

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Speaker 1: back of the line, and then as other teams claim players,

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Speaker 1: it kind of goes like a snake, and then the

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Speaker 1: other teams in the back and move up, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: You know what, John, I'm not sure about the moving

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Speaker 1: to the back of the line. You sure on that.

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Speaker 1: I think once you claim a player, I think you

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Speaker 1: move out of your spot. I'm not that, but I'll

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Speaker 1: check it. I'm admitting to you, I'm not sure I

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Speaker 1: will have I'm not I'm kind of sure, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not a hundred percent either, so I will double check that.

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Speaker 1: I just know you go ahead. How does that? How

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Speaker 1: does that work though? Is it like all these players

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Speaker 1: go into a pool and then you just claim them

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Speaker 1: and they how how did they get sorted out? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Basically that, I'm all right, pol ahead. No, it goes

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Speaker 1: in order of of the waiver list, which is by

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Speaker 1: the reverse order of last year's standings, and every player

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Speaker 1: that has been waived sits in that pool, and then

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Speaker 1: you go by reverse order. So the Cleveland Browns, your

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Speaker 1: first stop, you get the first waiver claim on. However,

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Speaker 1: many guys were waived. I don't know what the total

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Speaker 1: was free agents and the total waiver waiver number was.

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Speaker 1: But they get the first shot and then they take

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Speaker 1: their guy. Then the giants come up, Okay, is there

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Speaker 1: a guy you want to claim off waivers? And and

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Speaker 1: I have had different people, and I'm gonna tell you

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Speaker 1: flat out, and that's why I'm confused. I've had different

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Speaker 1: people who are reputable tell me that after you claim

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Speaker 1: a guy, you move back. I've had other people tell

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Speaker 1: me you claim a guy doesn't matter, You're still in

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Speaker 1: that number two spot, and you stay in the number

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Speaker 1: two spot. I'm gonna make a call after the show

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna find out. Yeah, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: my feeling was, I'm not making the claims, so I

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Speaker 1: don't care where they are, because it's not like the draft,

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Speaker 1: you know, in April, where we're all trying to handicapped

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Speaker 1: the draft. Nobody handicaps waiver claims, so so doesn't you know?

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Speaker 1: It didn't to me, it didn't matter. I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to know, at the end of the day, did they

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Speaker 1: get anybody? And then that's all. That's why, and that's

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Speaker 1: what I was asking because I'm like, man, were they

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Speaker 1: really dissatisfied with that many players at the back end

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Speaker 1: of the roster to where they thought players from other

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Speaker 1: teams would provide that much more of an advantage than

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Speaker 1: who they already had or was it a matter of

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Speaker 1: them really wanting those players or was it a matter

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Speaker 1: of like, oh, we're awarded them and they wanted they

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Speaker 1: put it this way. I do know that that order

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Speaker 1: does stay intact, which is why I'm inclined to believe

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Speaker 1: you don't move. Because the order stays intact. Now is

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Speaker 1: they go into next week until week three, there's still

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Speaker 1: number two. So if if you were down after claiming

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Speaker 1: a guy, they would not be number two anymore because

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Speaker 1: they claimed six guys unless it resets every week. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I'll find out. I

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Speaker 1: do know that they are number two though going into

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Speaker 1: into the next week. That I do know. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys. I just had one final thing about

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Speaker 1: about Martin the running back versus Pressley. I like them both.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad we went with Martin, and I like who

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Speaker 1: we got on the practice squad. And I'll listen to

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Speaker 1: your thoughts, and I think the Giants made the right

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Speaker 1: decisions on their practice squad guys. Everyone that they let

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Speaker 1: go that they wanted to reclaim on the practice squad

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Speaker 1: they got, no one was claimed, So that means they

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Speaker 1: made the right decisions on their practice squad guys, which

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Speaker 1: is good to say. Yeah, agreed, Paul. Fun show all

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Speaker 1: right days over, so tomorrow we're back again. Our new

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Speaker 1: time during the regular season is one to two thirty

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Speaker 1: right here on Giants dot Com. I know it's a

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Speaker 1: little hot, it's little in the middle when I'm still

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Speaker 1: on the top of the on on a holiday than

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Speaker 1: on a holiday, So stick with us at the entire

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Speaker 1: regular season again, one third to two thirty every day.

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Speaker 1: It'll be after practice and media vails, so have all

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Speaker 1: the day's news and notes from those two activities when

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Speaker 1: we come on the show. None of this looking at

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Speaker 1: tweets to say, who's out there practicing while we're doing

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Speaker 1: the show, which is nice. So yes, we'll have all

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Speaker 1: that for you every day on Giants dot Com as

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Speaker 1: well as our normal coverage as you preview the twenty

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Speaker 1: eighteen NFL season for Paul Detino I'm John Schmilt. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us. Hope you enjoyed the new set, and

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Speaker 1: we'll be back with you tomorrow one thirty on giants

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