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Speaker 3: Steel along with my homeboy and today Man, we got
Speaker 3: one of my folks in the studio with us. Man
Speaker 3: from the greatest city on the motherfucking planet, from the
Speaker 3: city of Cleveland. Man one of the most from one
Speaker 3: of the most iconic groups of all time. Man don't
Speaker 3: been bit stole from emulated, but never duplicated. My mother
Speaker 3: fucker Homeboy. Lazy Boom from the Almighty Boone Thugs was
Speaker 3: cracking dog Man.
Speaker 1: You know what it is that Cleveland connection in the
Speaker 1: building for sure.
Speaker 3: Man. You know you're from the city, Dog, So I
Speaker 3: had to give you the slide.
Speaker 4: You try to slide some shit in there, Try to
Speaker 4: slide from city on the nigger hub City nigga, they
Speaker 4: just city.
Speaker 3: You are trads for he you know what, Hey, this
Speaker 3: would always go like this, what I tell him in
Speaker 3: the Homie Glasses. Without Ohio, it wouldn't be no West
Speaker 3: Coast music.
Speaker 1: Her Man. We got the funk. The funk come from Ohio.
Speaker 3: Bottom line, the funk come from Ohio, Dog. And we
Speaker 3: love California. California is my home. I love it, love
Speaker 3: the people here. Oh, don't say they pull your mic towards.
Speaker 1: You, Okay, yeah, check right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So you know, just with all the funk man
Speaker 3: from from Roger Trout and Man just on everything that
Speaker 3: the West don't love and embrace so much.
Speaker 4: Though played football. Get a body here, man. It that
Speaker 4: hometown city. But I'm at. I'm at to tell Maria
Speaker 4: to snatch that drum machine out your house right now.
Speaker 4: You know, you two hip hop for be right there?
Speaker 3: Hey man, you know what I'm a brother, just love music.
Speaker 3: And you're coming from the city of Cleveland, man like
Speaker 3: I come from.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: And I know you don't been asked this a million times, man,
Speaker 3: because y'all did something nobody else was doing at that time.
Speaker 3: Y'all incorporated harmonies with the rhyming. Where did y'all How
Speaker 3: did y'all come up with this ship?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Cleveland is a singing city. You
Speaker 1: got the old Jays, le Vert, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Rue boys, All that whole R and B flavor was
Speaker 1: thoroughly breaded in Cleveland, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: my mom sings, so you know we come from We
Speaker 1: come from that school born in the in the seventies,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We grew up with the
Speaker 1: Temptations and you know Dell Phonix, all them old school
Speaker 1: motown groups. You know what I mean. It was embedded
Speaker 1: from our parents' music, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: when when we was growing up it was like you
Speaker 1: wanted to be a rapper. You ain't want to be
Speaker 1: a singer. Although we were singers. We did New Addition,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We emulated all that Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson New Addition. But in the streets, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. You wanted to be a rapper because you
Speaker 1: wanted to be hard. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: If you was coming from the streets right, you.
Speaker 1: Know, you ain't want to be known.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. You went from wanting to
Speaker 4: be the New Addition and the Jackson fivees too. You
Speaker 4: wanted to be the run DMCs and the whoos and
Speaker 4: the ship like that. So definitely that was our generation
Speaker 4: of time when we was coming to pass from that absolutely.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Man, and you from Claire Man, you all right
Speaker 3: across from Glenfield, right, yeah, right across from Glenfield. I
Speaker 3: went to the field though, I said to walk through
Speaker 3: that motherfucker every day because I lived off I lived
Speaker 3: off one hundred and third, yeah, in Superior, but we
Speaker 3: claimed hundred you know, ten five. You know, that was
Speaker 3: our section. And at that time, if you was walking through,
Speaker 3: you know, off Saint Clair, you might get touched on
Speaker 3: a little bit, you know what I'm saying, have a
Speaker 3: few altercations on the way home.
Speaker 1: Oh Man, Saint Clair, Saint Clair. Like, people really don't
Speaker 1: know how segregated Cleveland really was. Like when I came
Speaker 1: out to California, I was culture shocked because you had
Speaker 1: Mexicans and different people were like in Cleveland, it's all black.
Speaker 1: It's all black beside Cleveland. Like when you when you
Speaker 1: walk in them streets, right, you gotta deal with niggas,
Speaker 1: and it used to be divided.
Speaker 3: That was the funny thing about it, because you would
Speaker 3: have a cat that lived. You might have went to
Speaker 3: elementary school with him. Yeah, but he's stay on this
Speaker 3: side and you still on this side. And y'all niggas
Speaker 3: is few, and you really don't know why. It's just that,
Speaker 3: you know, when you walk through certain least for me
Speaker 3: because I'm a little bit older than you. You used
Speaker 3: to have the squabble, used to have to have your
Speaker 3: squabble game.
Speaker 1: Right, we went to uh, we went to FDR, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So we had it out with
Speaker 1: Patrick Henry the other other junior high school you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like, so one of my great friends
Speaker 1: in life is named ken Dog Mighty more thug, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So we used to have to
Speaker 1: squab with them niggas all the way until we got
Speaker 1: bussed to the same school. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like in high schools, but in junior high that was
Speaker 1: that side, that was that side. If you crossed it,
Speaker 1: it was on and cracking.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, man, I know.
Speaker 4: Still coming out here from Cleveland and seeing how we
Speaker 4: got down one shit, how was it different?
Speaker 3: You know what, man, California is deceptive. It's a motherfucker
Speaker 3: because as Lake and the tests, Cleveland is a ghettle
Speaker 3: like up there, it ain't no in between. But out
Speaker 3: here you could be in a place that looked suburb
Speaker 3: in its head and look nice, but you be smacked
Speaker 3: there in the middle of the hood like California is nice.
Speaker 3: It's like if you a homeless nigga, or if you
Speaker 3: ain't first, ain't got no money, and you sleeping in
Speaker 3: your jacket. You know what I'm saying, You got the
Speaker 3: winner you're dealing with. There ain't no money up in
Speaker 3: that motherfucker. At least out of here. You can work
Speaker 3: a monkey hustle out here, nigga, go get him a
Speaker 3: job at motherfucking Walmart working at night, or a job
Speaker 3: it's a security guards some fucking where in Cleveland. If
Speaker 3: it ain't cracked, it ain't cracked. You ain't got no
Speaker 3: choice but either hook or crook.
Speaker 1: When we first touched down out here, we touched down
Speaker 1: in Mansfield, in Mansfield Hood, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And to me, that shit looked a nice yeah what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So we walking to the store to go
Speaker 1: get bruise and things like that, We're thinking it's okay.
Speaker 1: But niggas cornered us, you know what I'm saying. They like, Man,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna be around here, you got to claim something,
Speaker 1: nigga like, we gotta protect you. And what I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Man, we ain't gonna be here long. We rappers,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, but like the decept
Speaker 1: like you know, the projects in Cleveland look like the
Speaker 1: projects out here, Like every California, cantif is beautiful out Yeah.
Speaker 3: Man, I used to think man living up and I
Speaker 3: used to think man when I used to go visit
Speaker 3: homies that live different places. I would go up to
Speaker 3: like Bedford in different places, Shaker Heights. I thought that
Speaker 3: shit was nice. I was like, man, they rich.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you go up there. I mean you don't. We
Speaker 1: don't even go up there. You're scared to get pulled
Speaker 1: over up there, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying. But out here in California, dog,
Speaker 3: that's the thing, everything is is nice, man like. Cause
Speaker 3: I was in I came to Long Beach in eighty eight, right,
Speaker 3: And the only thing that was when I started realizing
Speaker 3: it was the same kind of was the sack. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Everything was about the sack at
Speaker 3: that time. You getting you a sack, man, You getting
Speaker 3: on with a zone or a fifty piece you know,
Speaker 3: fifty piece of a zone.
Speaker 4: You hustle, Yeah, start hustling, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we we ain't know what to expect. All
Speaker 1: we knew was minutes to society, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: watching y'all niggas on the movie. So we we ain't know.
Speaker 1: You know, all we heard was the gang, the uh,
Speaker 1: the riots had just went down and all that shit.
Speaker 1: So when we got out here, we ain't know. We
Speaker 1: didn't know, you know what I'm saying. So this California
Speaker 1: I'm from Cleveland. Phone. I just to let everybody know.
Speaker 1: I left Cleveland. I was eighteen years old.
Speaker 3: You was like me. I was seventeen when I first came.
Speaker 1: Out, forty nine this year. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So the rest of my years, I've been out here
Speaker 1: in California embedded mean, So I'm a Cleveland, California.
Speaker 3: Nigga exactly, maniggas I came. Man, I ain't lot. Last
Speaker 3: time I went to the crib though, I couldn't do
Speaker 3: no more. I can't do past a week when I do, Man,
Speaker 3: you can't. I can't do past a week because you
Speaker 3: see it.
Speaker 4: You can't.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I love California though, no shit, Ye it's the shit.
Speaker 4: What's the longest you stayed when you went back home?
Speaker 3: You know what? Man? Once I make my runs and
Speaker 3: go cause I got ainties, Man, that's getting up in
Speaker 3: the eighties and stuff. So I try to make at
Speaker 3: home a little bit more frequently. I could do a
Speaker 3: week though once because I got a big ass family.
Speaker 3: Once I hit the family in Cleveland, then I go
Speaker 3: out to Akron and all that stuff that looks around area.
Speaker 3: I might hit Columbus if I got time. Once I
Speaker 3: do that and see everybody straight though I'm ready to go.
Speaker 1: It's too slow, my dude, Yeah it's slow, man. And
Speaker 1: then you know, like we still bringing the opportunities there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you know they like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, do it from home doing, but all the
Speaker 1: resources is here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exact line. Because one of the things y'all did
Speaker 3: there was a big deal man, and I was really
Speaker 3: hoping that it took. When y'all built Most Thug Records,
Speaker 3: y'all actually a base it in Cleveland, And I thought
Speaker 3: that was dope because I had, you know, my people
Speaker 3: hit me in the sign. You know, bone got a
Speaker 3: record company. We go try to I know niggas was
Speaker 3: talking about. I know y'all state got y'all lobby, state
Speaker 3: full of people trying to submit demos.
Speaker 1: Didn't Yeah, man, most the headquarters was wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah man, What made y'all decide to just keep it
Speaker 3: in Cleveland?
Speaker 1: I mean back then, the mission was to come out
Speaker 1: here to be something, to make some of ourselves, to
Speaker 1: bring it home anyway, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: we wanted to go home to make a difference, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But we just didn't know how
Speaker 1: much work that really didn't entail you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: it's like nothing, nothing was there. So it'll probably be
Speaker 1: a generation after me before we get it all the
Speaker 1: way built up because we started from nothing.
Speaker 3: Yeah for real, man, that's why. So because Cleveland, man
Speaker 3: almost like had the worst look in the world.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: We lost the football team, man, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Remember when dude took the football team out to see
Speaker 3: I really cried when that happened, my nigga.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, we always hurt, man.
Speaker 3: I was mad. Then the motherfucker to Browns, and then
Speaker 3: the niggas fucked around and won a championship like a
Speaker 3: few years later.
Speaker 1: I was same year year Baltimore won a chat won
Speaker 1: a championship.
Speaker 3: I felt like that should have been all harsh, like
Speaker 3: they kind of me just did what the fan base.
Speaker 3: What happened? Bro, I'm gonna tell you something about Cleveland.
Speaker 4: You as a nigga who was you know from the streets,
Speaker 4: born and bred Cleveland.
Speaker 3: What happened? Man? I think it's a combination of poverty, man,
Speaker 3: and lack of opportunity. You know, because you think about it, man,
Speaker 3: that bone wouldn't have made their trip out here. Ain't
Speaker 3: nonna tell y'all possibly could have got picked up by
Speaker 3: somebody in New York. But I can't picture y'all on
Speaker 3: no other label other than ruthless, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: We had a choice, though, we could have went to
Speaker 1: the East Coast. It was closer.
Speaker 4: We was a coin flipp or was it like that
Speaker 4: going to the West Coast?
Speaker 1: It was y'all nigga. Y'all had this like we was
Speaker 1: coming to California because of easy E, because of eight
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because of shit Snoop had
Speaker 1: just started, you know what I'm saying. So doctor Dre
Speaker 1: like that whole influence that, Like we was influent Cleveland.
Speaker 1: We was influenced by everything. But when the West Coast hit,
Speaker 1: niggas had on dickies. Yeah we was. We was California
Speaker 1: because we was on the block selling dope. So oh man,
Speaker 1: here it was like that's where I want to be.
Speaker 3: Hell, yeah, you got the same bug I did, man,
Speaker 3: And I think.
Speaker 4: You didn't get the East Coast bug at all.
Speaker 3: Sted you know what, No, I messed with East Coast
Speaker 3: music heavy man, But I always saw myself, like I
Speaker 3: told you when I heard six in the morning and
Speaker 3: Ryan Page and all that. Man, I said, that's that
Speaker 3: sound exciting to me. I ain't trying to go somewhere
Speaker 3: else where it's cold like it. He is here because
Speaker 3: my thing was this, if I'm gonna go somewhere and struggle,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be where it's hot at and I can
Speaker 3: get some money. Absolutely, you feel what I'm saying. It's like,
Speaker 3: if I'm gonna go to New York, you fuck around,
Speaker 3: you might have a stretch, my nigga, you might have
Speaker 3: to sleep in the car or some shit a few nights.
Speaker 3: I'd rather sleep in the car out here. And this
Speaker 3: motherfucker talked and be in Ohio or New York's.
Speaker 4: So crazy, how something? You know the paths that some
Speaker 4: niggas took. You know what I'm saying, be cause y'all
Speaker 4: being all the way up there, being right there by
Speaker 4: New York, y'all decided to come here. My man Primo,
Speaker 4: who was from Texas, who was a hop skipping and
Speaker 4: jump from Cali, he decided to fight it.
Speaker 3: But see going to New York. Check this out there.
Speaker 3: If Primo don't hook up with Guru, he might not
Speaker 3: ever become Primo you feel what I'm saying. He might
Speaker 3: not right, but you know, I think at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, man, it be divine intervention. Man. I
Speaker 3: very much believe in God, man, and I think sometimes
Speaker 3: God got a plan and he'll plant little breadcrumbs along
Speaker 3: the way to let you know this, because it's just
Speaker 3: a feeling, like when I heard Ice Tea that I
Speaker 3: could picture myself out here rolling down motherfucking crensh Off
Speaker 3: or whatever that was. And you have a choice. Why, Brod,
Speaker 3: did you have a choice? You know what, man, I
Speaker 3: could have went because I played football. That was a
Speaker 3: little way out I could have went. My grades is
Speaker 3: messed up. I could have went to a little school
Speaker 3: in Kansas called Coffeeville. And I know they took me
Speaker 3: on a trip down there, and all I saw down
Speaker 3: there was fat white girl's dog. No offense to fat
Speaker 3: white women, but they was down and they had a tail.
Speaker 4: They're gonna be waiting out with a gang of pies
Speaker 4: to throw in your faces.
Speaker 3: But you know, you know, I want them a little
Speaker 3: recruiting trips, so to speak. And they had a little
Speaker 3: party and I went down there. They had a bunch
Speaker 3: of robust women, robust white women.
Speaker 4: They have healthy females.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. And they had some fruit punch and
Speaker 3: some potato chips on the table and I was like, man,
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, it's even more boring than Cleveland.
Speaker 3: Mant least Cleveland ain't boring. You like it, it's the
Speaker 3: wrong ship, But you're get into something this generic.
Speaker 4: They had tato chips and.
Speaker 3: Fruit Yeah, so either I'm gonna pick potato chips and
Speaker 3: fruit punks. Well, I'm gonna go out there to with
Speaker 3: the beach at and the wear. Look exciting that I'm
Speaker 3: going out this sighting scene because they ain't you know,
Speaker 3: I'm going to exacy. They ain't bringing niggas on the
Speaker 3: recruiting trips. You know, I just knew from what I
Speaker 3: saw on TV. Nigga, I'm going out to where the
Speaker 3: palm trees at the girls bacon.
Speaker 4: You just picked the JC and said, fuck it, I'm
Speaker 4: headed that I'm.
Speaker 3: Coming to Long b C. And it was the best
Speaker 3: thing I ever did in my life. Shout out the coach,
Speaker 3: will Shaw. This man changed my life, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? Man changed my life. Man. I wound up
Speaker 3: doing some incredible things coming to California that I know
Speaker 3: for sure. Would have been impeded in Cleveland by a
Speaker 3: number of things. First of all, we got to go
Speaker 3: back to the lack of opportunity. I would have for
Speaker 3: sure been selling because all my homeboys went on to
Speaker 3: become some of that state's biggest d boys. You feel
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. They was really moving some things and
Speaker 3: along that came to them. Niggas going during penitentiary time.
Speaker 3: Shout out to my nigga, Teddy, he just came home.
Speaker 3: He was just out of here, the one I brought
Speaker 3: to the show in La Okay. You know, me and
Speaker 3: him the when I we first started hustling. Me and
Speaker 3: him was hustling together. But I said, I don't know
Speaker 3: if this is what I want to do full time,
Speaker 3: my nigga, but he was even then you saw in
Speaker 3: his eyes we made that first fifteen hundred two. He
Speaker 3: was like, man, this is zip right here. You stupid
Speaker 3: for leaving, you crazy for leaving. And he was a
Speaker 3: better football player than me, for real. My niggas they
Speaker 3: wanted both of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, niggas was throwing it away man out there in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: But you know that that state right there, you know
Speaker 1: he got the Supreme Court. You know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: you guys sold it the police in Cleveland and Ohio period.
Speaker 1: You know what they say about Ohio. You go on vacation,
Speaker 1: you leave it on probation, because they they want a nigga.
Speaker 1: You go, they gonna, they gonna, they gonna get you
Speaker 1: with a ticket somehow. That's why I got out of there,
Speaker 1: because I tried to go home and live home and
Speaker 1: all that. But when you got like when you when
Speaker 1: you got the more money and you driving bens and
Speaker 1: this that, and you're standing out sticking out like a
Speaker 1: sore thumb. Every time I pulled out my driveway, they
Speaker 1: was boom boom, just trying to hit me, you know,
Speaker 1: keeping me, keeping me in the system. I was like,
Speaker 1: so I might as well go where a drop top
Speaker 1: five hundred bens is average, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: So I can blend in so that that that was
Speaker 1: the benefit for California for me, because the lifestyle you
Speaker 1: can spread out out here.
Speaker 4: You know what I thought that, you know, looking at
Speaker 4: you know, where y'all had the status, you'd have thought
Speaker 4: in some way they would have been kind of proud
Speaker 4: to you know, for sure, you know, we got some
Speaker 4: local boys who'd have made it good, and I mean
Speaker 4: made it good. You know, as far as music is
Speaker 4: hip hop is concerned, y'all was on the map, as
Speaker 4: far as Cleveland is concerned. And you would think that
Speaker 4: the local motherfucking law enforcement motherfucker would be like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's bone. Thuh, that's lazy bone. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Them niggas, we know he ain't. We know he ain't
Speaker 4: no d boy, We know he ain't gang banging and
Speaker 4: nothing like that. This motherfucker made it from the music,
Speaker 4: so and he's got us on the status. But you know,
Speaker 4: haterism coming all kind of shapes and shit was.
Speaker 3: The worse than the people they're supposed to love.
Speaker 1: You man, it was like fifty to fifty. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You had the niggas that gun hope
Speaker 1: police they'll give me an escort home if I'm drinking
Speaker 1: and something like that, But then his partner might be
Speaker 1: prejudice as hell, like fuck this nigger. We've taken men
Speaker 1: and like they but that's how it is prejudiced like that.
Speaker 3: Especially man with the mentality that the white folks. That's
Speaker 3: what I tell brothers here, I say y'all ain't really
Speaker 3: encountered no racism out here because out here a motherfucker
Speaker 3: see you and behave and go have drinks. But you
Speaker 3: getting this car fucking nigger because it's just a little
Speaker 3: bit more progressive out here. You know, you can't. Racism
Speaker 3: is frowned to punt out here. But back there you
Speaker 3: got some white boys to tell you, I don't fuck
Speaker 3: with your kind nigger.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's they see you.
Speaker 3: They say diddy as nigger.
Speaker 1: And to this day though, like they it's just born
Speaker 1: and bred. When you raised like that, what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like when your parents put that in you. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, it's hard to It's hard. Like I
Speaker 1: even had friends that, you know, when I went to school,
Speaker 1: we was cool as hell. But afterwards, you know, being
Speaker 1: on the West Side, I couldn't go over their house
Speaker 1: or nothing like that because they parents. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: just like, you know, they just didn't make this.
Speaker 3: How it was, especially with the busting program even and
Speaker 3: they a's crazy, they kept it going because I was
Speaker 3: busted to the West Side. When I was in elementary,
Speaker 3: I went to Thomas Jefferson, No not Thomas Jeffers went
Speaker 3: Thomas Jefferson for junior high. I went to Clark Elementary
Speaker 3: for elementary, right and right across from Clark. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: went to Clark.
Speaker 1: I went to Clark.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It was a white supremacist thing right across the
Speaker 3: street from Clark Elementary. I don't know if it was
Speaker 3: still there when you was there, but that's just how
Speaker 3: it was. Yeah, they let you know. Man. Oh man,
Speaker 3: I had a girl, Becky tell me. She said, Norman,
Speaker 3: you're really nice. But my my mom says that black
Speaker 3: people are monkeys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean they That's that's one thing about
Speaker 1: you know. That's why I like it here, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because you got you got, you got everybody, man,
Speaker 1: all this melting pot here California. But that's why people
Speaker 1: start migrating West a long time ago. Anywhere.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, you can make it.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: The thing is Cleveland, man, Unfortunately, Man is a place
Speaker 3: that's marrowed by extreme poverty and the conditions don't make
Speaker 3: it no better. You know, you're fighting the bad ass weather, right,
Speaker 3: and then you got to just good old fashioned just haterism. Man,
Speaker 3: it's hard to wear if you a person that don't
Speaker 3: attain a certain thing in your life. You gonna have
Speaker 3: people mad at you for no reason. Man, it felt
Speaker 3: like they should have been you, like, like seriously, it's
Speaker 3: the weirdest thing ever.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 1: I mean, don't get me wrong. I got love for
Speaker 1: my city, like I love Cleveland to death. Look my heart,
Speaker 1: that shit rough. We ain't gonna front.
Speaker 4: I've done playing these shows in Cleveland.
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, yeah, Cleveland for But Cleveland put something inside
Speaker 3: of you, though. Dog, if you if you a hustler,
Speaker 3: Cleveland like give a like you just. I don't know
Speaker 3: no niggas, the slackers from Cleveland, anybody I know from Cleveland,
Speaker 3: they trying to get it, man, because they understand what
Speaker 3: poverty is. It's like every day, dog, I don't. I
Speaker 3: never allowed myself to get comfortable, no matter how much
Speaker 3: money y'all got in the bank or whatever, because I know,
Speaker 3: with just a few twists and turns, man, you could
Speaker 3: be on your ass somewhere. Man, you be right back
Speaker 3: in that motherfucker dog looking at the niggas you went
Speaker 3: to elementary school with.
Speaker 4: I think that's any niggas mentality or any person period,
Speaker 4: male or female. Man, if you just born with that,
Speaker 4: you know, go get mentality. It's hard to stop trying
Speaker 4: to find the next hustle, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: or the next you know, job, or the next come
Speaker 4: up or whatever it is. That that's for simple minded
Speaker 4: motherfuckers who are settled with just where I am.
Speaker 3: In old way, you can't you can't never get content. Man.
Speaker 3: You know one thing I wanted to ask you about. Man,
Speaker 3: at the time you came out here with Ruthless, Man,
Speaker 3: your easy was really up close and personal with y'all.
Speaker 3: Did he ever take you to the house in Norwalk? Man?
Speaker 3: That house is legendary. Bro.
Speaker 1: Hey, man, that house is Nordwalk. That's that's where we
Speaker 1: used to go, Like he would have other artists come
Speaker 1: out of town. We was big drinkers, like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And he was like, y'all niggas can't
Speaker 1: drink more than these niggas. We'll tear that nigga house up.
Speaker 1: We been that montherfucker drunk. This nigga got eight k's everywhere,
Speaker 1: just you know what I mean. Yeah, but Northwalk that's
Speaker 1: where we used to go get to do what we
Speaker 1: wanted to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ralph the Free where was real? Little key Man
Speaker 3: shot up at the homies skipping twine, Big Twine, Big Twine. Yeah.
Speaker 3: They had me over there man, one time when I
Speaker 3: never saw I never knew that part of time. You know,
Speaker 3: being a Northwalk you don't think, man, all kind of
Speaker 3: bras over there.
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah. Yeah, we used to go over there, man,
Speaker 1: and just like he'll be showing us, that's when I
Speaker 1: over there. That's how we found out he was a
Speaker 1: prankster too, you know what I'm saying. So he would
Speaker 1: show us video tapes of him pranking CPO, and you
Speaker 1: know what i mean. We spent a lot of nights
Speaker 1: in Northwalk, man. That shit was cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, you know what I still think man to
Speaker 3: this day, not to try to hash up no controversy
Speaker 3: or nothing. I don't think the Easy died of age.
Speaker 3: I just don't think he did. I don't believe he did.
Speaker 3: I've had family members to suffer from that disease, you know,
Speaker 3: and forces not a lot of them, but I've seen
Speaker 3: people go through that, man, and you just don't go
Speaker 3: to being diagnosed it's for full blown age and never
Speaker 3: had HIV, you know what I'm saying. It was too
Speaker 3: much about that, man.
Speaker 1: I know one thing in America. We can't put nothing
Speaker 1: past nobody, you know what I'm saying, Like definitely because
Speaker 1: if they want you up out of there, like I
Speaker 1: still think, you know, tupacin Biggie situation, when as far
Speaker 1: as it did, because that that boy was so politically
Speaker 1: in his mind where he was going, they probably got
Speaker 1: rid of them niggas. You know what I mean. They
Speaker 1: probably know they know how to get rid of you.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. They killed off a whole
Speaker 1: generation of smart men, from Malcolm to Martin.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You can't put nothing past you.
Speaker 4: You got to watch yourself.
Speaker 3: And when you start talking about the Malcolm in the
Speaker 3: marks Man, it ain't nothing for them to touch a
Speaker 3: rapper dog, it ain't.
Speaker 1: I mean, they shut the panthers down, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like infiltrated us, put crack in our neighborhoods,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, got our parents all fucked up.
Speaker 1: Saint God hip hop came along because we would all
Speaker 1: been fucked up.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure. Man, It'd have been in real
Speaker 3: bad times. Man.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine with no hip hop? Well, a lot
Speaker 4: of niggas would be right now.
Speaker 1: Man, Man, we would I know I wouldn't be here, man, it'd.
Speaker 3: Be a whole bunch of people in penitentiary. Dog, Yeah,
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of kets in the graveyard.
Speaker 4: He's a more dead, lot of more dead niggas, a
Speaker 4: lot of more niggas in the pen you know, because
Speaker 4: it gave even though like I said, it's still connected
Speaker 4: niggas with the streets, it gave a lot of niggas
Speaker 4: an opportunity to change their lives as far as uh
Speaker 4: poverty and the kids and you know, being able to
Speaker 4: be around your children. You know, we we grew up
Speaker 4: a lot of single fathers and shit like that, and
Speaker 4: like you said, a lot of dope was introduced and
Speaker 4: all that shit. So we learned a hard way our generation.
Speaker 4: You know, not that our parents then, you know, you
Speaker 4: got slavery and all that shit that our great grandparents
Speaker 4: and all that had to but going through the gang shit,
Speaker 4: niggas popping at you and trying to sell dope and
Speaker 4: taking penitentiary chances, we had some fucked up shit to
Speaker 4: go through too that we had to try to make
Speaker 4: it out of. You feel me. So hip hop did
Speaker 4: that for a lot of niggas, man.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm gonna tell you something, Man, professional athletics
Speaker 3: and music has been the thing for the black community. Man.
Speaker 3: I just want to see a time, man, at where
Speaker 3: we start expanding beyond that. Man, Because like I tell everybody,
Speaker 3: when people talk to me about want to do a podcast,
Speaker 3: I said, why don't you want to become a producer.
Speaker 3: Why don't you want to become a person that want
Speaker 3: to learn how to work the cameras, how to edit
Speaker 3: through what the things? It's too many people doing podcasts,
Speaker 3: odds of you breaking into that industry. It's almost like
Speaker 3: the new record deal Dog. Definitely odds. Odds are very
Speaker 3: slim as you ran the label Dog. It's hard. It's
Speaker 3: hard just just to come up in something, man and
Speaker 3: just make millions of dollars. And I think a lot
Speaker 3: of times, man, when you in places like Cleveland, Compton
Speaker 3: and wats because they all the same places, Dog, just
Speaker 3: different climates. I think it's hard for a kid to
Speaker 3: see that because a kid see his mom and daddy
Speaker 3: going to work every day and they still don't got nothing.
Speaker 3: That's not attractive. But you're looking at the dope man
Speaker 3: outside and he got the deep dish datings on his
Speaker 3: ship man, he got a pocket full of money. Man,
Speaker 3: he just looked he looked fresh. Dog.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're twelve years old. We used to play
Speaker 1: that's my car, that's my car. Real, that's my car,
Speaker 1: that's my car.
Speaker 4: That should influenced that. I mean it influenced a lot
Speaker 4: of us who felt like we wanted a better situation
Speaker 4: from what we was in. You feel me. I mean
Speaker 4: my pops worked, you feel me. He worked at General Motors,
Speaker 4: went to work nine to five or whatever. Moms did
Speaker 4: the same thing. Shit. We we wasn't living in no
Speaker 4: you know, we didn't have no Mercedes bends in the driveway.
Speaker 4: We had an average car. We didn't live in motherfucking
Speaker 4: Beverly Hills or or fucking Baldwin Hills, or even fucking
Speaker 4: Lakewood for that matter. You get me. We lived in
Speaker 4: fucking Compton. Not that Compton was bad, because I loved it,
Speaker 4: But that's what, you know, we was faced with. You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. When you turn around and you
Speaker 4: look at the nigga down the street, God damn, this
Speaker 4: nig got a brand new motherfucking truck o' goddamn Dayton's
Speaker 4: And wait a minute, the nigga got a lo lo too.
Speaker 4: And then wait a minute, the nigga got this too,
Speaker 4: hood and that too.
Speaker 1: Last summer he was on the bus man.
Speaker 4: The niggas got motherfucking you. You look at that and
Speaker 4: be like, well, shit, you're looking at your parents and
Speaker 4: you know it. That's if if you had that motherfucker
Speaker 4: or your hard work mentality, you know, you get what
Speaker 4: you paid you. You know that type of shit. Tell you
Speaker 4: somewhere you looked at the nigga down the street who
Speaker 4: had all this shit, and he was out there on
Speaker 4: the corner pitching. That was your influence. My influence wasn't
Speaker 4: to go punch no motherfucking clock like I saw moms
Speaker 4: and pop slavery. They was coming home with backs hurting
Speaker 4: and knees hurting.
Speaker 3: I tell you right now, dog, I tell my kids
Speaker 3: and people don't misjudge for what I'm about to say,
Speaker 3: because you should take your lazy ass to work to
Speaker 3: provide for your family. But do that while you're building
Speaker 3: towards a dream. I told all my kids, y'all don't
Speaker 3: need to think of getting no jobs. Don't go to school,
Speaker 3: used to get no job because a job it motherfucker.
Speaker 3: Let you go at any time. That's almost like a
Speaker 3: sucker bed.
Speaker 4: Almost.
Speaker 3: You work somewhere for all your life, man, and then
Speaker 3: by the time they tell you can retire now to
Speaker 3: retirement age done went up two years every time every
Speaker 3: year since I came out of high school. You can't
Speaker 3: retire to you damn in sixty seven and seventy now,
Speaker 3: so you think about it, you can from work some
Speaker 3: motherfucking place for all your life. Dog at seventy, you
Speaker 3: come home for a few years and you done. Yeah,
Speaker 3: while making another motherfucker rich. Now he don't provide it
Speaker 3: for you know, you got a pay check out of
Speaker 3: that dog. But I just always aspired for more.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: I can tell people to find you a telling what
Speaker 3: you're good at. It ain't necessarily gotta beat it, you know, rapper,
Speaker 3: no podcast, no actor or nothing like that. But you
Speaker 3: could beat the nigga that clean cars, the detailed car
Speaker 3: is real good on your own detailed shop. You can't
Speaker 3: never fire yourself, my nigga.
Speaker 4: Yeah, having that, having that mentality is it's hard for
Speaker 4: a young nigga or a young kid who's eleven or
Speaker 4: twelve coming up in poverty in the struggle. When I'm
Speaker 4: watching the niggas on the block every day, and then
Speaker 4: I'm seeing police shit and I'm seeing niggas get smoked
Speaker 4: from my block. It changes your mentality, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. You want to strive for, you know something better.
Speaker 4: But like I tell niggas, you know, as a kid,
Speaker 4: you all you have those dreams you give me. When
Speaker 4: I was a kid, I didn't think I was gonna
Speaker 4: be no rapper, actor, podcast, motherfucker you give me. I
Speaker 4: thought I was gonna be like any other typical kid.
Speaker 4: I'm be a policeman, i'ma be a fireman, i'ma be
Speaker 4: a doctor, lawyer, whatever. And then the more you see
Speaker 4: poverty kick in and you like, well, shit, I ain't
Speaker 4: got no new motherfucking nikes own, and moms ain't buying
Speaker 4: me this. And then especially if your parents split and
Speaker 4: now you got single moms at home, and now really
Speaker 4: shit is like low income and shit your aspects of
Speaker 4: like nigga, I ain't finna be no motherfucking doctor or lawyer. Shit,
Speaker 4: I'm barely finna make it out. The nigga niggas down
Speaker 4: the street shooting every night. Who says I'm finna make
Speaker 4: it out of here, and then next thing, you know,
Speaker 4: you claiming the hood and then you running in with
Speaker 4: the police every day. Nigga. I'm like, nigga, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: be in praison some fucking well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm gonna tell you who the influences are now.
Speaker 3: When we was kids, it used to be the dude
Speaker 3: down the block, you know that hustles over with. Now
Speaker 3: that's gone, right, I'm gonna tell you what it is now.
Speaker 3: The rappers that they see on TV, the images that
Speaker 3: these cats portray, and it's real destructive because a lot
Speaker 3: of these rappers don't have the money that they claim,
Speaker 3: especially not the new ones just come in the game.
Speaker 3: You've living off of advance, bro, and that jury is
Speaker 3: more than likely rented or you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's all props, dog. But we project these images man
Speaker 3: to the community. Right. It's almost like dangling the steak
Speaker 3: in front of pit bulls. Right. So they kids want
Speaker 3: that now, so they gonna do whatever. And the Internet
Speaker 3: has made it to where any nigga can become famous
Speaker 3: or at least get five minutes of fame. For a minute,
Speaker 3: you can get attention, right, So you got some people, man,
Speaker 3: that's willing to do whatever they have to do to
Speaker 3: get attention. They gotta go in and tell a lie
Speaker 3: about you or him or me or whoever. I look
Speaker 3: at all do it. I look at all these people
Speaker 3: now on the internet. I was just saying this ship
Speaker 3: myself the other day. Mofucker will do anything to just
Speaker 3: be somebody. Nowadays, you get me.
Speaker 4: You see everybody going, uh, what do they call themselves now?
Speaker 3: Content creasy?
Speaker 4: What the fuck is that? And then half the motherfuckers
Speaker 4: who call themselves content creators ain't doing nothing but walking
Speaker 4: around showing themselves. And I'll be like, mofucker will do
Speaker 4: anything today the lines about somebody else telling lies, and
Speaker 4: I'm gonna eat some shit, I'm gonna wear some shit.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get on here, like there's so many people
Speaker 4: that just get on the internet just act foods and
Speaker 4: ship for attention. You get me like, man, I'm i'm, I'm,
Speaker 4: I'm a fucking I'm I'm. I'm gonna feel me and
Speaker 4: my husband in the bathroom getting dressed and pulling pranks
Speaker 4: on each other.
Speaker 3: I saw I saw bro Not to cut you off,
Speaker 3: but I saw broad Man. They said this chick make
Speaker 3: a million dollars a month, letting niggas watch her sleep.
Speaker 4: It's just like everybody wants to be Like I ain't
Speaker 4: man at that though, dog, I want everybody wants to
Speaker 4: be famous today, man, or be somebody like you you
Speaker 4: don't have. You don't hear too many motherfuckers like oh,
Speaker 4: I want to become a teacher or an educator, or
Speaker 4: I want to become a motherfucking lawyer, or I want
Speaker 4: to be Everybody wants to be a YouTube content creating
Speaker 4: sensation nowadays.
Speaker 1: Get me, I think I think, man, I think it's
Speaker 1: just it's everything changed, like because I think back when
Speaker 1: I was a kid aspiring to be a rapper, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like today it seemed like the
Speaker 1: main primary reason why niggas want to rap it is
Speaker 1: to be famous. It's to be seen even more than
Speaker 1: get the money to move to mama out the house
Speaker 1: to you know, to take care of the family. It's
Speaker 1: like niggas just need to be seen more Like when
Speaker 1: I was growing up, it was like, Okay, I want
Speaker 1: to be the best rapper. You want to have skills,
Speaker 1: you want to be able to tell stories, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like you wanted like being a rapper
Speaker 1: was it was being somebody. It was like it was
Speaker 1: like a tool that got you out of the hood. Now,
Speaker 1: like you know, we wanted we wanted to rap to
Speaker 1: get out, to take care of moms, to to get
Speaker 1: out the motherfucking hood period. Now niggas want to rap
Speaker 1: and go straight back to the hood. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like or they put on for the hood.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like it ain't it's not
Speaker 1: a real purpose in being an entertainer no more. It's like,
Speaker 1: like you said, they just want to be seen.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Still as a kid, what did you inspire to be?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 4: As a kid? You know what, Brake, I'm sure it
Speaker 4: wasn't like I'm gonna be producing hip hop records or
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be a podcast. Oh no, that you inspire
Speaker 4: to be as a child.
Speaker 3: You know what I wanted to be when I was
Speaker 3: a little kid, Man, I used to be able to
Speaker 3: draw really good. Okay, I wanted to do cartoons when
Speaker 3: I was a little kid. I really wanted to do
Speaker 3: I want to do that all the way up into
Speaker 3: college until I saw how much especially the technology wasn't
Speaker 3: like it is today. You know, in order for you
Speaker 3: to get in the cartoon work man, you had to
Speaker 3: go to four or five different schools. Like when you
Speaker 3: get your backs threat, you got to go off here
Speaker 3: and learn something. You might have to fly off of
Speaker 3: here to China or Japan for a year, learn to
Speaker 3: do this, depending on what you want to do, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. But I wanted to really be
Speaker 3: an artist. Dog. I always like lean toward the arts,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But I never had even
Speaker 3: though I played football, I never really had aspirations on
Speaker 3: being a professional athlete, so to speak. I just always
Speaker 3: especially back then, because believe it or not, football players
Speaker 3: just getting the way they're making good money. Back then,
Speaker 3: when I was coming out, I think the league minimum
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand a year. I knew motherfuckers that was
Speaker 3: getting jobs that was better than that. And I always
Speaker 3: thought about the financial aspect. My knees was hurting and
Speaker 3: back hurting all the time. I was like, man for
Speaker 3: one hundred dollars, man getting whacked on fo a hundred thousand.
Speaker 3: They got me fucked up. It wasn't ready for the turches.
Speaker 3: Oh no, man, And I was really good. I was good.
Speaker 1: I wanted to play baseball man. I wanted to play
Speaker 1: baseball like nine eight seven eight nine, and I wanted
Speaker 1: I wanted to be I wanted to be Michael Jackson. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I wanted to be him.
Speaker 1: Then I wanted to be ll cool J. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And then when I started getting like
Speaker 1: you know, I really start selling dope and I caught
Speaker 1: a couple of cases, I wanted to be a lawyer,
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So you know, life delp me
Speaker 1: what it dept me. But I did aspire to do
Speaker 1: other things besides music, you know, sports music. I aspired
Speaker 1: for that, but I knew if all that would failed,
Speaker 1: I probably would have became an attorney or something.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like the youth now, like they and
Speaker 4: like you said, I don't be a mo fucking rapper,
Speaker 4: niggah artist, fucking baseball player, fucking you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I want to be a rapper. I think that is
Speaker 4: why when I had my son, I pushed for something else.
Speaker 4: He gus already knew that rap bug on hit him,
Speaker 4: especially with the artists that they have today and his
Speaker 4: generation in the youth. And you know, you got the
Speaker 4: eighteen nineteen year old motherfuckers riding around in the rolls
Speaker 4: Royces and all this shit that was gonna influence him
Speaker 4: if he saw that shit every day. So automatically, it
Speaker 4: was like, nah, nigga, we getting outside you nigga from
Speaker 4: from the age of three years old until I could
Speaker 4: stick it in your brain. You get me, it's gonna
Speaker 4: be something else. Besides, and he used to detour a
Speaker 4: little bit. Hey Dad, you think I can And how
Speaker 4: do you do this? And how do you do that?
Speaker 4: Work the microphone? Because I used to have my equipment
Speaker 4: set up. How do you work the microphone? Nigga. I
Speaker 4: took all that shit down because I didn't want him
Speaker 4: to get influenced by this shit that I know is
Speaker 4: a fucking headache and it's a roller coaster.
Speaker 3: You get, man, every kid, I know, Man, it's in
Speaker 3: the business. Man in any park, they discouraged their kids.
Speaker 3: My son, Man, he played professional football, right, but it
Speaker 3: seemed like he more interested in going into the music industry.
Speaker 3: And here I'm like, man, you're playing professional football. Lead
Speaker 3: that stuff alone, man, And I finally told him, if
Speaker 3: you can work in the industry, you can get a
Speaker 3: real job. So hook them up with my boy. It
Speaker 3: was up in the Universal Building. I said, you not
Speaker 3: doing all this trying to go develop an artist and
Speaker 3: find you messed round and lose every penny you got, man, exactly,
Speaker 3: you fucking around because it's hard, man, it's not no guarantees.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I pulled my kids into this shit early that,
Speaker 1: but that was me out here thrive having him so young,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Out here thriving doing having
Speaker 1: him everywhere I was. So you know, now my oldest son,
Speaker 1: like my younger sons, they won't it. They love this shit,
Speaker 1: you know, my oldest son, and he won't it. They
Speaker 1: love it too. But he was around it so much
Speaker 1: as a kid that he shy away from it sometimes.
Speaker 1: And like now, you know, he do his trade and
Speaker 1: you know, different things that he do, educate hisself, Like
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I think when you
Speaker 1: put him in they're too young, they gonna kind of
Speaker 1: bag up from it. Anyway.
Speaker 4: It'll burn you out, especially with the transition of how
Speaker 4: shit going today. That's why I says, as a kid,
Speaker 4: you gotta have some you know, some other solid inspirations,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. To want to become you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, And no disrespect to the talent
Speaker 4: and people who you know chasing that dream. I just
Speaker 4: feel like with the way it is right now, like
Speaker 4: I said, kids should be inspired to become something other
Speaker 4: than the next hip hop star or the next whatever.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, get you some kind of
Speaker 4: education to where when this shit starts nagging you, you
Speaker 4: got something else to fall back on besides trying to
Speaker 4: be the next Oh well, shit, I gotta be a
Speaker 4: content creator, or I gotta I gotta start a only
Speaker 4: fans or I gotta you know, well.
Speaker 3: From what I see today, bro, my only problem is
Speaker 3: that if now, if a kid got talent, Man, if
Speaker 3: a kid is talented, and a lot of times the
Speaker 3: apple do fall for far, don't fall far from the tree.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Sometimes if a niggas he don't been seeing his daddy
Speaker 3: rap since he's been in the crib, he go more
Speaker 3: than likely possess some kind of lyrical tenacity, you feel
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, is he gonna have the
Speaker 4: sudden success?
Speaker 3: Is he gonna have the same success and now today
Speaker 3: to become a rapper dog it's about every thing that's
Speaker 3: outside of music that's go actually get a motherfucker to
Speaker 3: invest some money into you. So now you got the
Speaker 3: girls that's out there doing whatever. They just doing whatever.
Speaker 3: They trying to outdo each other. They saying the craziest
Speaker 3: stuff ever on records now and I don't I know,
Speaker 3: we've been on that lately, so I don't want to
Speaker 3: go back on that tarbet, but it just seemed like
Speaker 3: to me that they almost It's like these little niggas
Speaker 3: aspire to almost go to prison, my nigga. It's like
Speaker 3: they get on like you see a cat like young
Speaker 3: thug that's making all the money he was making. Now
Speaker 3: he in this situation man, where this man might be
Speaker 3: in jail for the rest of his life. It's like, okay,
Speaker 3: so you struggled to get here, only to go back
Speaker 3: to here to become worse, my nigga.
Speaker 1: So I believe. I believe that. I believe that the
Speaker 1: the artists, you know what I'm saying, like these days,
Speaker 1: the artist is uh, it's changed. Tanning alone ain't just
Speaker 1: gonna get it. You can be the dopest nigga, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's probably ten It was probably ten.
Speaker 1: Jordan's on the playground. But why that only one make it?
Speaker 1: Because he knew, he understood his books, he knew with
Speaker 1: his schooling. You know what I'm so, Now, I feel
Speaker 1: like you have to have a business some type of
Speaker 1: business degree if you're gonna be a rapper. So you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You need to take accounting. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like all these a rapper now,
Speaker 1: it ain't just us putting words on paper. You gotta
Speaker 1: run a whole full business. So you just coming to
Speaker 1: the mic because you could spit that don't mean nothing.
Speaker 1: Everybody rap? So but can you manage your career? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like I manage myself. I've been
Speaker 1: managing myself, but I've been reading my own contracts. You
Speaker 1: gotta understand the wearing tools, the foe and withs and
Speaker 1: the hearing tools in your contracts. And you gotta be
Speaker 1: able to dissect your contract. Okay, you like your clothes
Speaker 1: your brand now? Now, a rapper is a brand, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So how do you manage that brand?
Speaker 1: If you can't, if you don't under standing different aspects
Speaker 1: of your shows, of your lawyers if you don't know
Speaker 1: how to deal with every aspect of your business, then
Speaker 1: you're not gonna make it in this You might get
Speaker 1: a one hit song, but you ain't gonna last.
Speaker 3: So and even if you do have a team some
Speaker 3: kind of success, you gonna be everything gonna be gone
Speaker 3: by the time you've done. You ain't gonna have no money.
Speaker 1: Because if you don't have a team, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if you take advantage, I don't know, if
Speaker 1: you don't know it, that team would rob the shit
Speaker 1: out you.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure. This man right here is the primary
Speaker 3: example of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been robbed. I've been shook down to my socks,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like, so I'm really speaking
Speaker 1: from experience, you know what I mean, Like had it
Speaker 1: all came in first checked eighty thousand dollars, blew that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? When did shit that wasn't
Speaker 1: that was easy to blow? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But we all did that because we had you know,
Speaker 1: But over time I learned this. But now I feel
Speaker 1: like if an artist, like when I'm looking at artists,
Speaker 1: like I know, a couple of dope ass niggas get
Speaker 1: on the mic and kill it. Dumb as rocks though,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, nigga, you're going you're
Speaker 1: going straight to jail. I'm not feeling you a liability, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So like that's how if
Speaker 1: somebody gonna put some money behind you, they need to
Speaker 1: see other than you just raping. They need to know
Speaker 1: that you know, you're wise enough to control whatever that
Speaker 1: investment is. You know.
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this bro, coming from the
Speaker 3: place we come from, man, y'all established more thug records, man,
Speaker 3: and y'all put a lot of people from the city on.
Speaker 3: You know how many people was mad at you that
Speaker 3: you didn't put them on because you can't you can't
Speaker 3: put the whole neighborhood on.
Speaker 1: I mean, niggas was mad period, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Even the ones put a couple the worst thousands of
Speaker 1: dollars in the pockets, you know, and then they mismanaged
Speaker 1: their money and do they you know, spent their ship
Speaker 1: how they spent it. But now and now you know,
Speaker 1: you try, you try to do something helpful, and here
Speaker 1: it is. It's a hinderance to you because you don't
Speaker 1: put an uneducated person on that went blew. They shit
Speaker 1: and now it's your fault.
Speaker 3: And and they don't understand they have to pay that
Speaker 3: money back you initially.
Speaker 1: Gave them right, get that exactly.
Speaker 3: And a lot of a lot of them records y'all
Speaker 3: was putting out Man was going gold and platinum because
Speaker 3: it feature gold and platinum people prominently on them albums.
Speaker 3: Y'all really got behind them. Martis, y'all used to throw
Speaker 3: them out there. Y'all was on every record down there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean one way bus tickets from Cleveland, Ohio
Speaker 1: out here, living homeless out here, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That was the sacrifice, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: niggas didn't understand that we made that sacrifice for them, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, three day bus ride, not
Speaker 1: knowing what you're gonna eat or who you gonna stay
Speaker 1: or what. You know what I'm saying, or that was
Speaker 1: they didn't have to do that. I opened the door
Speaker 1: and let him in, you know what I'm saying. Like
Speaker 1: a couple of my artists still thriving off what they
Speaker 1: got from me, A couple of my artists still blaming
Speaker 1: me for what they didn't do, right, twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, But you gotta look at
Speaker 1: the man in the mirror. I mismanaged my money. I
Speaker 1: ain't blame nobody. I just got back on my shit
Speaker 1: and became quiet and went and studied, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Because I ain't want to be the nigga
Speaker 1: on but what happened to you dog used to be
Speaker 1: the man. I ain't want to be that nigga, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I had to learn from myself.
Speaker 1: So these artists, you put these artists on a lot
Speaker 1: of times, it don't be worth it because if you're
Speaker 1: not a well rounded individual, you're not gonna sustain this shit.
Speaker 1: And sometimes it ain't fun to put on. People gonna
Speaker 1: blame you, definitely.
Speaker 4: I was just saying that everybody's not probably gonna be
Speaker 4: as successful as you know. I mean not to mean
Speaker 4: that we're not gonna work and try and do what
Speaker 4: we gotta do, but averages, you might not sell ten
Speaker 4: million albums, you might not sell one million albums. Man,
Speaker 4: your shit might come out, might do sixty thousand copies.
Speaker 4: People work mysteriously like that when they come to music.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I could like this motherfucker,
Speaker 4: not like that motherfucker. No disrespect. You get me, But
Speaker 4: I don't like that shit as much as I like this.
Speaker 4: So that's just that's just people's flavor, man. And it's
Speaker 4: unfortunate that you know, you might consider a motherfucker the
Speaker 4: friend or the homie that you're trying to put on
Speaker 4: because you believe in their talent. And but I can't
Speaker 4: make a motherfucker by your record.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: You get me. I can only talk to the radio
Speaker 4: so much and be like, hey, man, play this for me,
Speaker 4: play this for me. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: cost effective. You know what I'm saying. I can't do
Speaker 4: for you what easy and Ruthless did for me. You
Speaker 4: get me as I'm a try. You get me. That's
Speaker 4: my whole intent. But let's face it, this this rap game,
Speaker 4: man is That's why I say, Man, I did not
Speaker 4: want to encourage my son to go into this shit.
Speaker 4: Who says you're gonna have the success I did. I'd
Speaker 4: be loved if you was able to shit, if you
Speaker 4: was able to climb up over me, I'd be very proud, like, Okay, good, great.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, All the hard work and
Speaker 4: determination paying off good. Great, But then what happens when
Speaker 4: you put a motherfucker record out and he sell twenty copies?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: You get me whisky?
Speaker 3: Very well? Happening with this dream and shit, I don't
Speaker 3: understand how that work anyway. But going back to your
Speaker 3: going back to your you know, contract stuff and everything.
Speaker 3: A lot of artists say they first deal was unfair.
Speaker 3: I agree with that in some ways, but then in
Speaker 3: some ways I don't because somebody has invested some money
Speaker 3: and you because they don't usually come back and say
Speaker 3: nothing about the dudes to fail most asks the record
Speaker 3: company sign or failures. I think it's something only maybe
Speaker 3: one out of every five actually work out, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? They got more failures in the buildings,
Speaker 3: so they kind of got a overtext the one that
Speaker 3: does that do make it now? Usually after you sacrifice
Speaker 3: that first album kind of and you sell some records,
Speaker 3: you start getting a lot more leverage. But now you're
Speaker 3: a bankable artist, right did y'all you guys, I assume
Speaker 3: y'all contract situation after y'all put out East nineteen ainty
Speaker 3: nine a termal, I'm pretty sure they went back to
Speaker 3: the drawing board with y'all and figured out some other
Speaker 3: shit on it.
Speaker 1: We went back to the drawing boards soon as I
Speaker 1: heard platinum, Like, I was on that, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: because our deal wasn't the greatest, but you know back then.
Speaker 4: Whose deal was hell nobody.
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm gonna give y'all a better deal
Speaker 1: than the dog pound. He like, they getting eight points.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck is a point?
Speaker 4: You're coming from where I'm coming from, lazy, Like, what
Speaker 4: the fuck is the point?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: How much is that? The dollar size?
Speaker 1: I was a point like. He was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give y'all twelve points. So I'm like, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what this point is. So I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: twelve percent of one hundred. Yeah, that shit wasn't cool.
Speaker 1: But he put the money up, he put the videos up,
Speaker 1: and I had to explain to my niggas, like, man,
Speaker 1: we need to get in the door because I already
Speaker 1: knew because I had I had a situation in Cleveland
Speaker 1: that we had I had got fucked in the contract
Speaker 1: because the first album we did was called Faces to Death.
Speaker 1: It was a Cleveland local project, Dolls Repreation Hermy Henderson
Speaker 1: slew foot fuck face bitch.
Speaker 4: As he Yeah, why do we all got what? Yeah?
Speaker 3: He got one.
Speaker 1: I was sixteen, you know what I'm saying. So I'm
Speaker 1: thinking I'm getting a record deal. This nigga signed us
Speaker 1: to a management deal. We give him a whole album.
Speaker 1: I still I could still sue this dude to this day,
Speaker 1: but it ain't worth it because I don't like the
Speaker 1: karma he got to deal with that. But you know,
Speaker 1: he as a kid, I was already tricked, so I
Speaker 1: already knew when we got to E, Like, I knew
Speaker 1: what a renegotiation was, so I'm like soon and then
Speaker 1: when I heard we was plattinum boom. So we went
Speaker 1: from a sixteen a twelve point deal to a sixteen
Speaker 1: point deal, from sixteen to an eighteen, from eighteen to
Speaker 1: a twenty two. By the time we left Ruthless, we
Speaker 1: was fifty to fifty with them, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it worked out for me. Busy didn't see it
Speaker 1: the same way I saw it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: The rest of us saw it like, Okay, we establishing
Speaker 1: something now, we built some now, you know, and we
Speaker 1: was cut from that easy to eat cloth. So it
Speaker 1: was like the doors that was open for us was unlimited,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that was the reason
Speaker 1: why we went in and we was we signed the
Speaker 1: first contract because you got to get in the door. Man.
Speaker 1: Once you get past the gate, the gatekeepers, then you
Speaker 1: can probably you know, you can construct your world the
Speaker 1: way fit now y'all.
Speaker 3: Having so many people in the group, man, how hard
Speaker 3: was that negotiating man, Because you pretty much got to
Speaker 3: have everybody in the Greens for it to be popping
Speaker 3: right right.
Speaker 1: So, you know, we used to have this thing called
Speaker 1: majority rule. It's five of us, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: So if three niggas was down, then the other two
Speaker 1: had to roll. We lost that along the way, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because once everybody he got money,
Speaker 1: it was like, now I'm gonna do what I want
Speaker 1: to do, you know what I mean. But in the beginning,
Speaker 1: our little democracy was we're gonna vote if it's three
Speaker 1: to two, you know what I mean, George, the majority rule,
Speaker 1: And that's how we was able to keep going without
Speaker 1: standing there and just you know, and fighting, fighting, fighting
Speaker 1: and being stagnant. We didn't have to become stagnant because
Speaker 1: we had an uneven number in our group, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, So it always kept the ball rolling.
Speaker 3: That worked. Man, it had been cool if y'all could
Speaker 3: have saw that, man, Because I'm not gonna lie, and
Speaker 3: I ain't saying this. It's no Cleveland stand But when
Speaker 3: I first saw y'all, man, I listened to a lot
Speaker 3: of hip hop music, got no hip hop inside it out,
Speaker 3: you know, and I'm a fan first, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. I really felt like y'all was so unique, man,
Speaker 3: and wasn't nobody like y'all. I really say it, man,
Speaker 3: these dudes go fuck around and be like the fucking Beatles,
Speaker 3: a hip hop dog. I really I saw that, man,
Speaker 3: and I think, Man, somewhere along the way, man, like
Speaker 3: you said, the inconsistency started kind of coming in, you know,
Speaker 3: like I would see some crazy records that just didn't
Speaker 3: make sense, you know what I mean, Like, Okay, this
Speaker 3: dude over here doing these records with this dude and
Speaker 3: I black man, the motherfuckers is too big for that. Man,
Speaker 3: Where do you think that?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: Why is it so hard to keep that cohesiveness?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I mean, Because Man, when
Speaker 1: money come into play, man, niggas just always that man,
Speaker 1: you know, because in the beginning, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it was like our shit was more control. Like I
Speaker 1: worked at KFC, I sold dope, I went to school,
Speaker 1: I set up our talent shows. I did a lot
Speaker 1: of that stuff, you know what I mean. Like, so
Speaker 1: we didn't have a lot of money, but a lot
Speaker 1: of that money came from me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, all right, so we gotta get our
Speaker 1: fits boom. We just you know, a lot of my
Speaker 1: contribution was to keep the group going. But shit, like
Speaker 1: I said, our first check a piece was eighty thousand
Speaker 1: sh That Nigga Busy was with us in Cleveland for
Speaker 1: a couple of years. He hated Columbus, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, That nigga got that check, Nigga, that nigga
Speaker 1: was out, that nigga went straight to Columbus. Were like,
Speaker 1: where's this? You know what I'm saying. But that's what
Speaker 1: money do. It gives you power to do. You don't
Speaker 1: have to listen, We don't have to sit down and
Speaker 1: mastermind together, you know what I'm saying. Like I got
Speaker 1: my own ideas and then you got other people. They
Speaker 1: got ideas that didn't have nothing to do with the
Speaker 1: original idea. And now you over here with two people
Speaker 1: in your ear, I got three in mind, and that's
Speaker 1: when the wedges start coming in, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But us being family, you know what I mean, we
Speaker 1: kind of leaned on each other. That's why we still
Speaker 1: here today. We was more of family orientated, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So when the wedges came down, one
Speaker 1: of us always knew, like, oh, we got to pull
Speaker 1: it back together. So if it wasn't me, it was
Speaker 1: it was flesh, you know what I'm saying. If it
Speaker 1: wasn't flesh, it was big wish, like the fuck that
Speaker 1: we family, you know what I'm saying. So our family aspect,
Speaker 1: our parents knowing each other and growing up in the
Speaker 1: Glenville area together and knowing each other is what helped
Speaker 1: us stand the test of time.
Speaker 3: That's a good thing. Is I still see y'all touring, man,
Speaker 3: And like, that's one thing man that always tell artists
Speaker 3: y'all might not have had the best contract that first album, though,
Speaker 3: but look at what y'all doing. Man, It's thirty years later.
Speaker 1: Man, we're free agents too, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So when we put out some now it's like all
Speaker 1: that all that come home exactly.
Speaker 3: Yoh, y'all about to get the Masters back to him.
Speaker 1: Masters come back year thirty man, and you know it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a beautiful So we got, you know, the
Speaker 1: Masters starting to revert.
Speaker 4: Back crazy some ship that we wrote.
Speaker 1: And we did thirty years.
Speaker 4: It take us thirty years to own our own ship,
Speaker 4: and we made the ship I got.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 4: I sat up all night getting high, drinking forty ounces,
Speaker 4: trying to come up with motherfucking shit to write about.
Speaker 4: And a nigga just took my ship, right like, nigga,
Speaker 4: that's that's mine.
Speaker 1: And they still don't want to give it back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to go to court for that.
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta go get.
Speaker 4: A lawyer and go get it, because they'll just keep
Speaker 4: selling it and keep flipping it and going, yeah it's
Speaker 4: thirty years later or what, and they'll keep collecting the money.
Speaker 3: No after I know, after Easy died, man, was it
Speaker 3: a little hard man, Because see, it's one thing when
Speaker 3: you're dealing with a cat that you like and stuff
Speaker 3: may not be all the way right, but that didn't
Speaker 3: gave you opportunity exactly. Then somebody else come in and
Speaker 3: take over. Was it a lot of little dissension as
Speaker 3: far as dealing with Tamika.
Speaker 1: I mean it was you know, Uh I said like this.
Speaker 1: So when we was working with Easy Eve when he
Speaker 1: was alive, he just put us in the studio and said, y'all, niggas,
Speaker 1: give me, give me an album. He didn't over like,
Speaker 1: look over our shoulder, I want to I want another
Speaker 1: Cross Rolls. You know, all that shit hadn't happened yet.
Speaker 1: So he let us do whatever we want. He let
Speaker 1: us be us, and we came with our ship. By
Speaker 1: the time Tamika and Uh and Ryan Swains where all
Speaker 1: the other players came into play. When that happened, it
Speaker 1: was like they was looking for something, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like Tamika wanted to tell us how
Speaker 1: to do our record or which record to do, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, and we didn't have that.
Speaker 1: So we had one hundred freedom with he was alive,
Speaker 1: and then when he wasn't, we had people trying to
Speaker 1: tell us how to do our shit. Well, we need
Speaker 1: another Crossrolls or some of the time. So we okay,
Speaker 1: we did Crossroads Boom. Now we're gonna give y'all change
Speaker 1: the world. And now we're gonna get y'all if I
Speaker 1: could teach so you know, if you look at our songs,
Speaker 1: it's like seven eight them kind of songs of each
Speaker 1: type kind of song. You know what I'm saying, Because
Speaker 1: motherfuckers was looking for the next instead of just letting us, just.
Speaker 4: Just letting us create and come up with our own.
Speaker 4: Now y'all telling us all, y'all gotta do another Crossroads.
Speaker 4: You gotta give us another hit single.
Speaker 1: Didn't know Crossroads was gonna be a hit, So while
Speaker 1: we're chasing that, Yeah, and if you.
Speaker 3: Was being lifted your own device is the first project.
Speaker 3: I'll just let y'all keep doing all this. Obviously didn't
Speaker 3: know what they're doing. Let's leave him alone.
Speaker 1: That's what he did. He was like, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get y'all niggas some producers. He put us in the
Speaker 1: studio with Rhythm D and J Unique, Tony C all
Speaker 1: these guys. You know what I'm saying. Drake Ghost, we
Speaker 1: was all in studio with and he would go hind
Speaker 1: new business. You know, he'd be out there or he'd
Speaker 1: have he had his office set up over here. All
Speaker 1: the white people coming in and now he ain't, but
Speaker 1: he ain't messed with us. He's like, what y'all, let
Speaker 1: me hear what y'all did, and we'll play it for him,
Speaker 1: and he'd like it or not like it, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But most of the time he liked it.
Speaker 1: He was hip hop. Y'all write me a verse, No,
Speaker 1: you gonna write your own shit. He you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like his and he he really started like
Speaker 1: he was. He was finn to be a bomb member?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: Is that right on? Everything you see? You see the
Speaker 1: braids to the back, man, you see before he left Earth, man,
Speaker 1: he was Nigga was braided up, you know, still in
Speaker 1: the same pendleton wasn't up hot as hell, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But at the same time, it wasn't
Speaker 1: the curl wasn't the curl was going slowly fading out.
Speaker 1: I mean that Nigga was a that was e bomb.
Speaker 3: That would have been hard dug, that would have been dope.
Speaker 1: It was it was it was happening, man, Like all
Speaker 1: that shit happened so fast?
Speaker 3: Did it seems surreal?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 3: Because sometimes even some like sometimes I've had like my
Speaker 3: own incredible moments in life to where sometimes I'd just
Speaker 3: like to slow it down and embrace the moment because
Speaker 3: I'd be like, man, this shit really happening for me
Speaker 3: right like right now? Was it one of those type
Speaker 3: of moments with you?
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean we we got out to
Speaker 1: California November twenty third. We left November twenty third, nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety three. Our first shit came out June twenty fourth,
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, So we didn't hook up with easy
Speaker 1: E until after until like February, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So February March April May we recorded that all about
Speaker 1: fifteen songs. He put that shit out, He took his album.
Speaker 1: He was finna put his album out, and if he
Speaker 1: hadn't did that, when it never came out, he stopped
Speaker 1: his album, put our ship out. And that was ninety four.
Speaker 1: He died in ninety five, so we only knew he
Speaker 1: a little over a year.
Speaker 3: Wow, changed your life that quick, that quick. It was
Speaker 3: unselfish about it because he said he took he I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna put my album on. He was a majoritist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and he had some ship because he
Speaker 1: was feeling he wanted the bomber. He was coming on.
Speaker 1: He had it for the dog pound. He was coming
Speaker 1: for them niggas. But he saw talent though this was
Speaker 1: this for me, was solidified him as an executive visionary.
Speaker 1: Right that nigga stopped what he was doing and was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put these guys out as executive.
Speaker 4: That's a difference between a rap executive and a nigga
Speaker 4: who know the vision. Vision like, it ain't about me
Speaker 4: being here. These niggas is gonna surpass me. You get me,
Speaker 4: but I need to go there right now. I'm thinking
Speaker 4: like an executive because a normal nigga in that position
Speaker 4: would be like, man, put my record out first. You
Speaker 4: got a gang of them, got a gang of niggas
Speaker 4: who call themselves executives. But then they don't think like that.
Speaker 4: That's why the careers and the successes of their artists
Speaker 4: don't climb past the motherfucking ant hell because they don't
Speaker 4: see the vision of going. Man, these niggas is finna
Speaker 4: be way larger than how you get me. So let
Speaker 4: me stop my shit. U Let's shoot that shit right here.
Speaker 4: That was smart. You get me, But like you said,
Speaker 4: he was a real executive and shit, you feel me.
Speaker 4: He learned that from being a street hustler. You feel
Speaker 4: me like, I know what, I know what works are
Speaker 4: not gonna work. I'm not gonna waste my time with
Speaker 4: this sack when I know I can get bigger money
Speaker 4: over here. You feel me.
Speaker 1: He's putting out nw A but still got the where
Speaker 1: with thor to put out jj FAD exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: J J FAV was this first platinum althum I believe,
Speaker 3: wasn't it?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: I mean he had all the nigga had at a
Speaker 1: group called at band Klan with Will I Am when
Speaker 1: we first came out here. So he had this nigga
Speaker 1: had all kind of weird artists like he was really
Speaker 1: like he was on. He was, he was that. I
Speaker 1: wanted to be that, like, yeah, I'm a.
Speaker 4: Real record fucking label.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like man, like that's what I wanted to be.
Speaker 3: Because y'all was the most important group at that label
Speaker 3: at that time. Because you gotta remember Dre had left
Speaker 3: and they was over there doing their thing. When you know,
Speaker 3: death Row came. They were smashing you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: they were smashing everything. They was dropping with solid right
Speaker 3: and he dropped y'all and y'all was that meiga time bomb?
Speaker 4: It was like, yeah, that, for the love of money,
Speaker 4: was killer, you know what.
Speaker 3: I'm saying that, And that was like I was like this,
Speaker 3: you know, I was around here. She'sing like a mother
Speaker 3: for you know, every time a Cleveland nigga do something else,
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, y'all, nigga, see, don't start trying to
Speaker 3: bite the army swag either, nigga. And they from the
Speaker 3: motherfucking part section of the town.
Speaker 4: I'm from.
Speaker 3: Two niggas home.
Speaker 4: He was watching Drew Carry Man, stop playing.
Speaker 3: I fuck with Drew Carrey Carry.
Speaker 1: On the east side, Yeah, just downtown.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, Drew Carry used to suck me and Drew
Speaker 3: Carrey used to hustle together. Carry had a sec God,
Speaker 3: nig can tell her to put you all. The price
Speaker 3: is right there, bigger ship. You try to get all.
Speaker 3: Drew Carry sold my first zone, the stuff and stuff
Speaker 3: in front of me, my first zone. You know. But man,
Speaker 3: you know what dog the thing is when y'all came out, Man,
Speaker 3: the thing I liked too is that y'all didn't get
Speaker 3: too heavily invested in the It was all about music
Speaker 3: because at that time Ruthless was firing back with music.
Speaker 3: But when Easy did drop this ship, it was impactful.
Speaker 4: Know we we and I could speak on like, even
Speaker 4: coming from the West Coast, we banged some We banged
Speaker 4: some bone even like the thuggish Ruggish man. We banged
Speaker 4: all y'all ship from the beginning. So it was just
Speaker 4: it was it was just different. It was then as
Speaker 4: far as hip hop was concerned. You know, you had
Speaker 4: an East coast ship and then you know, the West
Speaker 4: coast we had our ship.
Speaker 3: But it was it was something different. Man, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: tell you something. I'm gonna tell you a no offense
Speaker 3: because some of y'all niggas at my homies, but when
Speaker 3: something new comes, here come the slew of poor man imitations.
Speaker 3: It was like a bunch of fake bone troops that
Speaker 3: came out after that. Man, everybody just thought it was
Speaker 3: about and we were so cold. Some of them dudes
Speaker 3: was just mumbling they didn't have the Kate and sy right,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. They wasn't incorporating the melodies
Speaker 3: and stuff. They was just on that pretty much.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm glad. I'm glad you said that though,
Speaker 1: because it's like and then and then I really recognized
Speaker 1: the pattern of how in the street do you you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, but I recognized it watching
Speaker 1: Little Wayne though. It was like when Little Wayne hit Bying,
Speaker 1: that nigga blew up like by itself with everybody had
Speaker 1: to sound like Little Wayne, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But that's how they did bomb But I was in it.
Speaker 1: I really couldn't. I couldn't step out and see what
Speaker 1: was going on.
Speaker 3: It got real corny for a minute though.
Speaker 1: I had to look in hindsight, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: But yeah, niggas like a thousand niggas, like every record label,
Speaker 1: like when Easy Easy E died, Man, everybody tried to
Speaker 1: steal boonb Thugs in Harmony from Ruthless Records. We was
Speaker 1: just loyal, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Who was the one? I know was somebody that had
Speaker 3: to check the heck y'all? Like thinking, like, man, it.
Speaker 1: Was only seven majors I've been at. I've been at
Speaker 1: every last one of them, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So they came in, they beating out, beating our door
Speaker 1: down for bomb Thugs and Harmony. That's how I got
Speaker 1: the deal with deaf Jam for Fleshing Bone because he
Speaker 1: wasn't signed in the group, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And then that's how I was able to parlay the
Speaker 1: more thugs shit a relativity because they wanted that bone
Speaker 1: thugs in harmony sound, you know what I mean. Like that,
Speaker 1: Now we're talking about influence and the contributions that was
Speaker 1: made to this, to this thing we love. We number
Speaker 1: twenty one on the Billboard group list right fuck out
Speaker 1: of here. Everybody got their hair braided, Everybody changed their
Speaker 1: wrap flow from Mariah Carey to bust Rhymes to name them.
Speaker 1: Everybody put a little flow, not everybody, but most of like,
Speaker 1: but the contribute, what I'm trying to say is the contribution,
Speaker 1: the overall influence, the impact that we brought to the tap.
Speaker 1: The whole industry tried to come behind. We had to
Speaker 1: fight the whole industry just to not be drowned out
Speaker 1: by them bringing imitators to the table and.
Speaker 3: Something y'all brought to the game. I don't know if
Speaker 3: you noticed, but like I said, I stay this stuff
Speaker 3: right since y'all came in. It's like the generation this
Speaker 3: raised was raised off of y'all that might have been
Speaker 3: little babies and stuff like y'all was almost like the
Speaker 3: Curtis Mayfields that came in, right, A bunch of kids
Speaker 3: don't grow up listening to y'all. Not everybody rapping with melodies. Now,
Speaker 3: everybody's rapping with a melody. Now, you almost can't be
Speaker 3: a rapper. Now. That's why it's important for rappers like
Speaker 3: Scarlett to blow up and with the One Girl, the
Speaker 3: big topic girl from Cleveland, because they bring the straight
Speaker 3: eggs back to it, like I'm just rapping. I don't
Speaker 3: got no melodies in my stuff. But everything since then
Speaker 3: it's almost been like a bone knockoff dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, I mean that that was our contribution. Like Wes,
Speaker 1: I used to be man, I used to look at
Speaker 1: those lists like, man, they don't give us our props,
Speaker 1: but it really don't even matter no more than because
Speaker 1: you know, we know, like just to look if I
Speaker 1: turn on the radio and be like, no, I had
Speaker 1: something to do, just to just to know, like the
Speaker 1: West the way, the West the way n w A
Speaker 1: and y'all influenced the game with gangster rap music, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. That's how I feel like our
Speaker 1: melodies had an impact, like to that degree.
Speaker 4: You know, when I hear a gang nigga saying jia
Speaker 4: on records, you get me, you feel me all. I
Speaker 4: don't look at it as damn man. All these famous
Speaker 4: ass Maya motherfuckers be saying jeer and knock one nigga
Speaker 4: will come out and say, I ain't gonna lie. First
Speaker 4: person I ever heard say that was eight. You know.
Speaker 4: Niggas be like, oh shit, I just started saying it.
Speaker 4: You get me. I don't look at it as I'll
Speaker 4: just be like, you know something, I know where it
Speaker 4: started from. I mean, and if niggas, if you look
Speaker 4: back and check their history from from eighty seven on,
Speaker 4: I was you know what I'm saying. So everybody came
Speaker 4: after that it was influenced by it. And if you
Speaker 4: was influenced by it, cool, I'm I'm glad you used it.
Speaker 1: We said that shit nigga like you, but we knew where.
Speaker 1: We knew where it came from.
Speaker 4: Some people look some people like, oh yeah, I know, nigga,
Speaker 4: that's MC eight all day. And then there's some dude
Speaker 4: who be like, I don't say nothing about it. It
Speaker 4: is what it is, and.
Speaker 3: I don't want to sound like I'm dissing nobody, so
Speaker 3: please don't nobody take because I think brothers do what
Speaker 3: they gotta do to get opportunities. And these labels they
Speaker 3: saw y'all were successful, so obviously it was like, we
Speaker 3: need to find we need to find us bone Thugs
Speaker 3: Harmony because I know at one time it was a
Speaker 3: prominent Southern rep label that had people on the streets
Speaker 3: looking for boones. The likes, yeah, I don't want to,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: Talk about it, but they copy, they go copy what's popular?
Speaker 4: I want to ride what's popular? Movies? Do it all day?
Speaker 4: You see a nigga make a movie about Vietnam? How
Speaker 4: many movies different companies that made movies about Vietnam or
Speaker 4: spaceships or fucking the president getting killed or whatever.
Speaker 3: Everybody wants something that's popular.
Speaker 4: Though, if it were ship, I'm gonna I'm gonna ride.
Speaker 4: That's how they do it. The world so fat. That's
Speaker 4: a motherfucking that's what you call it. What's funny about
Speaker 4: boom Man? It's y'all all got all different personalities, right,
Speaker 4: because I'm cool with crazy crazy, you know, create a humber,
Speaker 4: create real reserve.
Speaker 3: He's a quiet dude. You always seem like you was
Speaker 3: a nigga that was out in traffic. I said, that's
Speaker 3: the nigga to be out in traffic, probably wiggling with everybody.
Speaker 1: Right, you're the one that you're the wiggling.
Speaker 3: Which seemed like he can't like the doom you know,
Speaker 3: you know he eat a good at goon. He'd no nonsense.
Speaker 3: Nigga didn't fire on the nigga, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Flesh seemed like he don't play no type of games,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So it's a it's a
Speaker 3: certain structure there, but Busy is the wild card. He's
Speaker 3: the nigga that's go start a fight somewhere he ain't
Speaker 3: supposed to start a fight at and go talk some shit,
Speaker 3: to say some shit he ain't supposed to say. I
Speaker 3: was at the verses, right. I didn't go to the
Speaker 3: thing though. I didn't go to the actual verses. I
Speaker 3: was at the hotel. I actually had it is I'm
Speaker 3: I'm cool with one of my homeboys. Shout out to
Speaker 3: Uncle Beats down with three six, Right, do a lot
Speaker 3: of shit with three six. So I was up there
Speaker 3: fucking with crunchy black Uncle Beats. That's my dog, that's
Speaker 3: your boy, that's my nigga right there, you know, shout
Speaker 3: out the boy. I was kicking it with you know,
Speaker 3: Lola and the other homie, and we was up there talking.
Speaker 3: They said, why you over here? Still you at Cleveland, nigga?
Speaker 3: You came to get some intail for your bone people
Speaker 3: because we about to smash him. And they had all
Speaker 3: kinds of niggas run through the hotel. I never felt
Speaker 3: like a little kid again though. But when the homies
Speaker 3: eight ball MJG came through that motherfucker and you know
Speaker 3: that nigga mj G. He almost remember that old school
Speaker 3: movie Willie Danna Mike had that nigga walk down the
Speaker 3: stairs at that courthouse. That nigga MJG. Don't touch the
Speaker 3: ground when he walked. He really like he really in
Speaker 3: character all the time. You know, he coming there, he
Speaker 3: got two white girls in his arm. He's skipped up
Speaker 3: in that mother for them. I'm like, oh shit, damn
Speaker 3: b MJG. And now I said, y'all niggas just gotta
Speaker 3: pull the cheek code out for all the Cleveland niggas.
Speaker 3: But they would come by theyself. But then y'all came
Speaker 3: with some surprises. Did you think it was gonna be
Speaker 3: one of the moments, man, when Busy tripped out up there.
Speaker 1: I mean, you always gotta expect something to happen, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Just like with that whole Bone
Speaker 1: thugs and harmony in three six Mafia. The history is
Speaker 1: so rich and the few was so real, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like he had to expect something. I mean,
Speaker 1: but Busy Bone, you know what I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: Busy Bone. You never know that he gonna say something,
Speaker 1: something gonna.
Speaker 3: He motherfuckers to keep playing with me. And I just
Speaker 3: remember Boo going, Busy you a hater? You would hater?
Speaker 1: Busy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there's a piece of boost. Was he a
Speaker 4: hater because they was ugly or what? Because he said?
Speaker 3: Oh no, I just think that's that's as funny as
Speaker 3: a motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Our jokey backstage was like these ugly mother and this
Speaker 1: blurted that ship out.
Speaker 4: Was you a hater? Nigga said, you an ugly wild
Speaker 4: fucking you Just ship was.
Speaker 3: So funny because it seemed like it can't noeork because
Speaker 3: you ain't know if Busy was playing at first, but
Speaker 3: then he he was serious than the motherfucker. Yeah, that
Speaker 3: nigga is passionate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was the words that was exchanged
Speaker 1: went too far. You know what I'm saying with the
Speaker 1: nigga Juicy J has said was inappropriate because we don't
Speaker 1: play that suck my dig ship. This shit crazy like
Speaker 1: when men say that to me and nigga, that's always
Speaker 1: gonna I'm from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's the thing. But this man from
Speaker 3: to a nigga invite me to his dick dog, I
Speaker 3: might put my steel on his ass.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And that's why that got out of hand
Speaker 1: like that, you know what I mean. But you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, just and I want to add, you know,
Speaker 1: we talked to them, but were probably about to go
Speaker 1: on tour. We was about to go on tour with
Speaker 1: them right after that until boot pass, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So they was they was working on that.
Speaker 1: So you know what I mean, Like all that shit
Speaker 1: gets squashed, man, misunderstanding heat of the moment, all that testosterone,
Speaker 1: all that talent, all that Bravardo up there.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You gotta expect something to happen.
Speaker 3: Man, it just goes down like that sometimes. Man. One
Speaker 3: thing I love about you all niggas though it's no
Speaker 3: matter right or wrong, y'all always unified up in that motherfucker.
Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying. I said, Man, they
Speaker 3: probably cut that nigga out on the way home, but
Speaker 3: they go ride with him. That's how it's supposed to
Speaker 3: because everybody got that one homeboy that's go act up.
Speaker 3: Oh definitely, But you gotta ride with him because y'all
Speaker 3: been front y'all family.
Speaker 1: I mean thing about it is he ares you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, So y'all can't touching.
Speaker 3: That's real ship right out, real ship. Let me ask
Speaker 3: you this, bro, And you ain't gotta say no names, man,
Speaker 3: But did you ever see one of them fake bone
Speaker 3: groups and just laugh, man, and just say this is
Speaker 3: the worst shit ever? Like what's the worst copy cops?
Speaker 3: What's the worst knockoff? You don't saying?
Speaker 1: Ah, man, it was. It was just one group out
Speaker 1: of New Orleans. Them niggas hated us. We ain't know
Speaker 1: who they was. I didn't even know who they was
Speaker 1: til about fifteen years later. Like, but they really wanted
Speaker 1: to be bomb. I don't even know their name, but
Speaker 1: they know who they are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, you don't want to get no publicity like that. Man.
Speaker 3: Of course you don't want to give him no puz.
Speaker 1: Niggas was weak. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: He gave them by saying where they was from.
Speaker 3: Ye, the niggas down there, now they gonna take their
Speaker 3: little segment to say, see he was the whole time.
Speaker 3: Already gave him enough lazy boom. We already called them
Speaker 3: where they was from, So now they gonna be feeling good.
Speaker 4: Nigga said what we was from.
Speaker 1: Dog Nigga can't never call me no hater man. I
Speaker 1: you know I opened doors for niggas exactly like they
Speaker 1: can say what they want to say that If that's
Speaker 1: what you got to say about me, you really don't
Speaker 1: know me, because you can ask anybody who know me.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, y'all gonna gave it a
Speaker 3: lot of cats opportunities though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a whole lot of them because they
Speaker 1: was given to us. You know what I mean. I'm
Speaker 1: a nigga Cleveland man who would imagine, like you gotta
Speaker 1: think ninety three when y'all put our minutes to society.
Speaker 1: You know how much influence that ship was in my life?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying like y'all like you growing
Speaker 1: up in the hood, that song nigga right there like
Speaker 1: we was. That was the and we was living that
Speaker 1: when we left Cleveland, we was living that like. So
Speaker 1: the opportunity was provided to us for us to meet
Speaker 1: Easy Eat from Cleveland. You look to the bride, this
Speaker 1: nigga drive and I'm shotgun looking like this easy motherfucking Eat.
Speaker 3: It's one of the moments I talk about.
Speaker 1: One time, like when we first seeing y'all all, y'all
Speaker 1: like nigga we on the West cause we're seeing y'all though,
Speaker 1: but we're just seeing y'all in the movie. So that
Speaker 1: and that was unheard of Cleveland nigga like movies and
Speaker 1: like that shit was a dream, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: so we was afforded them opportunities, so I try to
Speaker 1: give it back sometimes though, Bro, you don't see it
Speaker 1: like you ever bring one of the homies from back
Speaker 1: of the crib out here though, and just let them
Speaker 1: hang out, like you know, you got them homies.
Speaker 3: They ain't got no interest in being the entertainment. They
Speaker 3: just steal your It's still some niggas like that out
Speaker 3: there that just go always be your nigga, your same nigga. No,
Speaker 3: I don't want to do nothing. You ain't gotta give
Speaker 3: me nothing, but I'm gonna come out of fuck with you.
Speaker 3: And they get out here and get to seeing this
Speaker 3: shit to be like, man, that was such and such.
Speaker 3: I bought my homeboy Tad out here a few weeks ago,
Speaker 3: and he was like, niggas, you just really know all
Speaker 3: these niggas, don't you just floating around like they said
Speaker 3: it was regular niggas though they people just like you
Speaker 3: and niggas just make music.
Speaker 1: I just tell him, like, you see why I'm in
Speaker 1: California because this is where they at.
Speaker 3: Nigga, Yeah, because it damn she ain't going down to Cleveland. Man,
Speaker 3: But man, I know I ain't asked you nowhere. I
Speaker 3: just didn't want to rehash a bunch of the same shit.
Speaker 3: Man that sometimes people get you all in these interviews.
Speaker 3: Bad y'all the dumbest shit dog in the world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that and I hate them type of motherfucking in.
Speaker 3: It's like they just trying to reach instead of having
Speaker 3: the conversation and letting the shit be natural, They're trying
Speaker 3: to add. So, man, did you walk in on such
Speaker 3: and sex when they was doing this and that, you know,
Speaker 3: they just want to come out the bat with some bullshit.
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think this, you know, the conversation
Speaker 1: of just real niggas. Cond We just try.
Speaker 4: To talk and conversate with niggas and get a little
Speaker 4: in it, like get a people a little insight about
Speaker 4: you know, how it was, and just real shit, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Because people look for red realism.
Speaker 4: You know, you come from these places. They just want
Speaker 4: to hear a little a little bit of history about
Speaker 4: the same struggle, the same struggle. Yeah, and hopefully motivation.
Speaker 4: That's to an average nigga. Like you said, we get
Speaker 4: niggas who listen to us truck drivers motherfuckers who just
Speaker 4: be chilling. They just want to hear that motherfuckers is
Speaker 4: normal motherfuckers sometimes, yeah, and hear your perspective on stuff
Speaker 4: exactly a lot of time niggas don't want to hear
Speaker 4: like you got a problem with this motherfucker, this conspiracy
Speaker 4: that happened, or we heard this or we heard man,
Speaker 4: don't I don't like to do that. That's something I
Speaker 4: used to tell still about, Like we just got to
Speaker 4: talk to niggas about and if if it's a connection
Speaker 4: to the street, you know what I'm saying, we as
Speaker 4: we as as grown motherfuckers, know how to conversate without
Speaker 4: having to dig into controversy and bullshit to a to
Speaker 4: a please a certain narrative.
Speaker 3: You tell you that right now? You know one thing
Speaker 3: I did want to ask you, though, Dog, They had
Speaker 3: been talking about these rich white folks, these rich folks
Speaker 3: that went to the bottom of the oceland. They went
Speaker 3: deeper than where the whale was going, and that just
Speaker 3: really governed the news right for most of the week. Right,
Speaker 3: But you had all these girls missing in Cleveland, right.
Speaker 3: If you notice is a pattern? Man, if we not
Speaker 3: care for dog, they gonna fuck around, try to wipe
Speaker 3: us out one again, because it's all these and they
Speaker 3: not just doing it to the black girls, but they
Speaker 3: doing to the Mexican girls. Gang of young ladies missing
Speaker 3: from Mexico, right, gang of little girls man between nine
Speaker 3: and fourteen, that was you know, coming across the border,
Speaker 3: just disappear, right, Same thing happened in Cleveland, same thing
Speaker 3: happened in Atlanta. Now you notice a pattern, man, anybody
Speaker 3: they deem is being indispending, You're easily dispensable. They like disappearing.
Speaker 4: Dog.
Speaker 3: I think it's something behind that shit, bro.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm just gonna say, Man, America, Man,
Speaker 1: this is America.
Speaker 4: You know where yeah, where the government is set up.
Speaker 4: And the ship you see, I mean, they give you
Speaker 4: clues to ship. And we done see enough ship on
Speaker 4: TVs and the news and conspiracy theories and movies and
Speaker 4: all to know it's ship that goes down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the biggest cons want to cover it up.
Speaker 4: It's ship that they get.
Speaker 3: It's just if you ever notice, door bro, and check
Speaker 3: this out, both of y'all, if you ever notice when
Speaker 3: it be some shit deep going down like that, it's
Speaker 3: always something crazy to happen, like a mass shooting, like
Speaker 3: something just crazy happening. It's almost like a distraction, like
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, It's like they put out
Speaker 3: all of these distractions man, the media and all that stuff. Right,
Speaker 3: they put all these distractions out there to distract you
Speaker 3: from the ship that's real, right. They don't show you
Speaker 3: about these folks. Don't jump in the boat, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean niggas down the water every day, my nigga,
Speaker 3: that they don't the.
Speaker 1: News don't cover right, So look that the submarine thing happened, right,
Speaker 1: all that, all that coverage, all that media coverage, coverage, coverage, coverage,
Speaker 1: but they didn't tell you so it was. It was
Speaker 1: a boat carrying like seeople seven people. Yeah people, they
Speaker 1: only saved like a hundred of them. But they ain't
Speaker 1: talk about that. Why because they brown people.
Speaker 3: Man. Yeah, it's like anybody, I mean, anybody that's not
Speaker 3: of importance to them.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 3: They feel like they can get away with it all
Speaker 3: most and sometimes they hide stuff in plain sight. Like
Speaker 3: they've been talking. I know you don't like shit, like,
Speaker 3: but I gotta talk about this is real they're talking about.
Speaker 3: It's a moon. They don't found another moon that's been
Speaker 3: following the Earth for the last thousand years, right, and
Speaker 3: you just discovered it? How you know it's been following
Speaker 3: the Earth for a thousand years? Then if you just
Speaker 3: discovered it, right.
Speaker 1: Man, I don't believe no motherfuckers still walking.
Speaker 3: On the moon, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I always look at that picture they showed ers in school.
Speaker 1: They put the flag in the moon. Is it any
Speaker 1: oxygen on the moon? How's the motherfucking flag floating?
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. It's a lot of little stuff
Speaker 3: like you know what I'm saying, like.
Speaker 4: The moon high fuck with that ship, man ain't doing
Speaker 4: because like I said, when it comes to this thing
Speaker 4: that we call the government and presidents and fucking congressmen
Speaker 4: and ship, that's another world that that we know nothing.
Speaker 4: When you be seeing all these motherfucking shows and secret
Speaker 4: layers and project xes and all this shit. Motherfucker, they
Speaker 4: ain't showing you that ship for nothing, So you could
Speaker 4: be you would be a damn food to believe half
Speaker 4: the ship they tell you in the news, because it's
Speaker 4: all too it's all to pull the wall over your
Speaker 4: eyes or to switch and root tactic you like if
Speaker 4: you ain't started playing the game and shit and if
Speaker 4: you ain't paying attention or nigga.
Speaker 3: Move the shell game like But like you said, though, bro,
Speaker 3: a lot of people don't have the cognitive skills to
Speaker 3: understand like, ain't no, how's the flag just waving like that? Right?
Speaker 3: You feel what I'm saying, how's the flag waving? So
Speaker 3: you got this other thing And then they said that
Speaker 3: there was a big ass they've been talking about. It's
Speaker 3: a spaceship or something up there. But I'm gonna tell you,
Speaker 3: like this bro. It's so much shit that they hired
Speaker 3: for much Dog. I think if they did tell us
Speaker 3: the truth, Dog would probably be mass chaos out here.
Speaker 4: Dog in the world.
Speaker 3: We barely hanging on by a thread anyway.
Speaker 1: Dog, it's gonna be mass chaos anyway.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because they created yeah.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, because they want to depopularize
Speaker 1: the earth. They wanted you know what I mean, They
Speaker 1: want as less people as possible.
Speaker 3: Like they a's gonna be here the monitory. They don't
Speaker 3: care the dog. I'm gonna tell you something what I
Speaker 3: notice about white folks. I got a homeboy, right, cool dude.
Speaker 3: Me and his son played football together. He's a billionaire.
Speaker 3: Doront flew on his jet with him and everything else.
Speaker 3: Like that cool dude. He owns the brewery. Have you
Speaker 3: ever seen that brewery that's on the two team to
Speaker 3: sixty Freeway. It's like on the two team to six
Speaker 3: or five. Yeah, the Midder Brewing Company. He owns that
Speaker 3: land right there, right, and he was saying, yeah, their
Speaker 3: lease is up. I'm about to you know, I'm about
Speaker 3: to probably sign them into another seventy five year lease.
Speaker 3: And this dude like sixty five Dog, I'm thinking, I'm like, man,
Speaker 3: you doing that bus. You ain't gonna be He said no,
Speaker 3: But my grandchildren be here, my great them folks playing
Speaker 3: the head dog. They playing. We sitting up here thinking
Speaker 3: about what we go do tomorrow? Might the guy them
Speaker 3: dudes is playing in thirty forty fifty years ahead in
Speaker 3: some cases and got their step. They're making sure that
Speaker 3: poverty never touches no part of their family.
Speaker 4: Unless it's kind of hard for our motherfucker who's struggling
Speaker 4: every day on the day today to year's. I might
Speaker 4: not be here two days from now. But that's what
Speaker 4: I'm different for a motherfucker who's been handed a billion
Speaker 4: dollar company from the time he was a fucking toddler
Speaker 4: or some shit like that. That's the difference in People
Speaker 4: want you to be able to think on the same aspect.
Speaker 4: But nigga, shit, I'm struggling to put fucking food on
Speaker 4: the table.
Speaker 3: Thing about this dude, though, he what's funny is he
Speaker 3: I think got his ged. He's not no college. He's
Speaker 3: a dude from New Jersey. That's how I mean him
Speaker 3: got cool. He just the fear of poverty kept him going.
Speaker 3: He had to help have somebody to help him out
Speaker 3: to get into real estate, right, and he owns all
Speaker 3: his property and stuff now. But I was just looking
Speaker 3: at the way he maneuvered Dog in that Cavt conversation
Speaker 3: with him kind of changed my perspective on a lot
Speaker 3: of things.
Speaker 4: Ain't that crazy? And how you just said it. His
Speaker 4: fear of poverty and his ambition. Somebody saw that and
Speaker 4: they fronted him to be able to do what he do.
Speaker 3: Run him, yep.
Speaker 4: I mean, times a nigga gonna do that for you.
Speaker 3: Oh man, it never happened. We got a lot of
Speaker 3: geniuses in the hood.
Speaker 4: Now, Times a nigga gonna see your potential and really go,
Speaker 4: you know something, I'm finna give you this five million
Speaker 4: and let you take off because I know twenty years
Speaker 4: from now you're finna be this motherfucker that we don't
Speaker 4: get motherfuckers to do like that for us.
Speaker 1: Oh, No, Dog is big at me because Aniga been
Speaker 1: conditioned with that, that slave mentality to wear nobody on.
Speaker 1: You don't want to see the next nigga get.
Speaker 4: A few easy did it for y'all? It wasn't no
Speaker 4: white motherfucking It wasn't Sony or Universal or whatever easy said,
Speaker 4: you know something, you feel me, But how many niggas
Speaker 4: really go you give me? Are steal your ideas cracking?
Speaker 4: Let me front you this million dollars and let you
Speaker 4: get it going.
Speaker 3: Leg. I'm gonna tell you something right now, Dog, I
Speaker 3: don't like to brag a lot.
Speaker 4: Dog.
Speaker 3: I don't do this. I don't say this nothing to
Speaker 3: be bragging. Dog. But we gave we helped launch math Off.
Speaker 3: Who else we don't have. Man, it don't been so
Speaker 3: many big podcast dog that I initially have my hand
Speaker 3: in and gave them. They send off and they went
Speaker 3: on to become successful podcasts. I look at companies Dogs,
Speaker 3: Some of these guys they go get five or six
Speaker 3: million dollars in funding, twelve and sex sus give them
Speaker 3: some money. I be like, Man, these niggas ain't deod
Speaker 3: half the shit I did, dog, and they gonna give
Speaker 3: them some money. Everything I don't did just done been
Speaker 3: off the monkey help. So you know, like he said,
Speaker 3: with the shelves and the motherfucking thing, I'm gonna make
Speaker 3: some shit happen. Dog, we don't get them same opportunities.
Speaker 4: Dog.
Speaker 3: So I'm glad to see brothers like you. When y'all
Speaker 3: do get in positioned. Man, y'all do go back and
Speaker 3: try to that lift some brothers up, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? And I wish our brothers would appreciate that
Speaker 3: more when they do get that lift up off the ground,
Speaker 3: because you could pick any number of people to get that.
Speaker 3: They've been chosen though, so they got to represent so
Speaker 3: they can go back and get somebody, because you can't
Speaker 3: even drag everybody on the building by yourself. But if
Speaker 3: you get if you pull ten people up and they
Speaker 3: go get another ten people and eventually everybody go get
Speaker 3: up there, right. You know what I'm saying. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So what you got? What you got?
Speaker 3: Cracking out?
Speaker 1: Dog?
Speaker 3: What you got you about to blast off with?
Speaker 1: I got a little free mix tape, man. I just,
Speaker 1: you know, was exercising my lyrical skills a little bit,
Speaker 1: and uh just put out a little mixtape car Too Easy,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean. It's a little mixtape of where
Speaker 1: I took songs that artists been paying homage to bomb
Speaker 1: Thus in harmony, you know what I mean. So, and
Speaker 1: it's artists that I would like to work with as well.
Speaker 1: So what I did was took the songs that they
Speaker 1: took from us, put new verses on they shit, and
Speaker 1: that's you know what I'm saying, And just to let
Speaker 1: people know that, you know, I'm still, I'm still you know.
Speaker 1: Rapping is is my love, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like putting them words together, telling the story. I love that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I got the mixtape, man,
Speaker 1: and that's something for free from my fans. You can
Speaker 1: download that on live mixtapes dot com, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But I got an album coming out too,
Speaker 1: called Hypnotic Rhythms, you know what I mean. So Hypnotic Rhythms.
Speaker 1: My first single was called Pillar and that'll be out
Speaker 1: later this summer, you know what I'm saying. So I'm
Speaker 1: doing that man. Harmony House Entertainment. My girl got her
Speaker 1: podcast that's about to come out called Tipping with Tiny.
Speaker 1: That's hard, Yeah, Tipping with Tiny and Minds is Lounging
Speaker 1: with Lazy. So we do a little partnership with that
Speaker 1: and kind of intertwined with each other sometimes on that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Man, My kids, you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about the kids. They doing music. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm just getting ready for this thirty year anniversary. For
Speaker 1: Bone Thugs and Harmony ninety fours the thirtieth year.
Speaker 3: Man, we need that movie though. We need a Bone
Speaker 3: Thugs movie though. We need to actually MC eight fucking
Speaker 3: movie too, though. It's so many incredible stories and hip
Speaker 3: hop dog that.
Speaker 1: Can be man, Man, it'll be an Honor eight n
Speaker 1: R movie.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely, I'm with the part. Definitely, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So play me a little easy or something.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Doing the bio pic you know, in our movie is
Speaker 1: basically an aliu from the NWA movie.
Speaker 3: Is one being It is one in production right now.
Speaker 1: Not in production, but the writing part of right.
Speaker 3: Oh that's dope, man, Okay, that's cracking.
Speaker 1: So the idea of the bio pick it pick up
Speaker 1: where NWA left off at. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If you all remember in the movie, DJ Yeller was
Speaker 1: giving Easy the mixtape he was giving him East nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety ninety times. He died before he heard the finished tape.
Speaker 1: So at the end of that movie, when he passed away,
Speaker 1: he was let the East nineteen ninety nine Eternal album
Speaker 1: was sitting right on his desk that he never got
Speaker 1: to hear you know what I'm saying. So that's how
Speaker 1: we pick it up. That's that's the alley. Oop. I
Speaker 1: feel like n w A through us. On the movie side.
Speaker 3: You know, that's hard that their attention to detail was
Speaker 3: like that, dog exactly, that's hard. Dog. I really hope, man,
Speaker 3: because I know that's gonna be a massive movie. Y'all
Speaker 3: got a fan based that's incredible. Dog, y'all fan based,
Speaker 3: and y'all fans them type of fans that they'll fight
Speaker 3: for y'all.
Speaker 1: Definitely, Man, I definitely appreciate our fans, man. You know,
Speaker 1: the diversity of our fans. It ain't just like a
Speaker 1: lot of hip hop artists like it be like black
Speaker 1: or are. We got diverse Mexicans love bone thugs and
Speaker 1: white people love Hispanics, uh man, Asians like our crowd
Speaker 1: be so diverse man. And and like you said, they
Speaker 1: gung ho for so we appreciate.
Speaker 4: That, y'all. Y'all, y'all hip hop contribution was definitely not
Speaker 4: stereotyped to one particular crowd. You can say like y'all
Speaker 4: was one of them international hip hop artists, you feel me?
Speaker 4: So yeah, they have to be able to respect.
Speaker 3: That yeah, dog, you know what one more things.
Speaker 4: A lot of niggas who don't make it that far
Speaker 4: hip hop game is concerned. Know a lot of them.
Speaker 4: You know that niggas who were left underground so to speak,
Speaker 4: so to be able to come from just hip hop
Speaker 4: period and then be able to make it to Like
Speaker 4: you said, y'all have probably been some everywhere all around
Speaker 4: the world with this hip hop shit. Yeah, coming from Cleveland,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: You'h some crazy shit. Though you think about it, y'all
Speaker 3: work with Easy, Tupac and Biggie like those are legend.
Speaker 3: Those are like they immortalized now, dog, you know, risk
Speaker 3: and peace, but y'all work with all of them. Dog,
Speaker 3: do you ever just sit up in bed at might
Speaker 3: be like, can't tell me.
Speaker 1: Nigga he was, you know that's that's that's that's part
Speaker 1: of the seal, the deal of the legacy, definitely, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, to have like and for them
Speaker 1: to be beefing the way they were, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, for us to not be involved in the
Speaker 1: or dependent all that all the problems they was having.
Speaker 1: It was like being from Cleveland left us mutual right
Speaker 1: in order to man.
Speaker 4: Not only that ship y'all. Y'all ship, y'all were protege
Speaker 4: ades the of the Godfather. You feel me. As far
Speaker 4: as what we concerned on the West Coast, you get me.
Speaker 4: Everybody has their this is the Godfather or rap or whatever.
Speaker 4: But as far as were concerned on the West Coast,
Speaker 4: with our ship, y'all came from the streets. We came
Speaker 4: for Easy. Eas looked at around the world. Is that
Speaker 4: as that motherfucker man? You feel me like Easy opened
Speaker 4: the door, not just for for shit. Easy is what
Speaker 4: made me want of motherfucking god. Damn. He is what
Speaker 4: made me go nigga. You could rap about the neighborhood. Oh,
Speaker 4: I could rap about the one time and selling crack,
Speaker 4: and I could rap about blasting and claiming the hood.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you just hope because at that point,
Speaker 4: even though we were street niggas, it was utfo and
Speaker 4: it was you know, it was fun ra. It was
Speaker 4: even though you are nigga coming from the streets. You like,
Speaker 4: I don't do no shit like that, man, So what's
Speaker 4: what's my way in?
Speaker 3: You're there to wiggle in.
Speaker 4: When Easy came with boys in the hood like nigga,
Speaker 4: just nigga, six four's and forty ounces and nigga hold,
Speaker 4: he opened up a whole fucking world for niggas who
Speaker 4: who like I'm not that this is my identity, and
Speaker 4: so he opened that door for to see him. W's
Speaker 4: for the bones, for the above, the laws for the man,
Speaker 4: A gang of niggas man that street ship for sure.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, Lake, y'all ain't never collaborated
Speaker 3: with doctor dra Nope, I wonder what ain't happened?
Speaker 4: Though.
Speaker 1: I got a couple of tracks from Dre that I
Speaker 1: wasn't never able, we wasn't really able to use. But
Speaker 1: Drake thing was when the opportunity was presenting itself, we
Speaker 1: was internally fucked up, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 1: that nigga Dre was like, if I can't have all
Speaker 1: five of y'all, I ain't fucking with y'all. And that
Speaker 1: was that. So hopefully one day he'll get it. I know,
Speaker 1: all of us individually tried to. You know, that's Drake
Speaker 1: who don't want to Dre be of course, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like I see it. Yeah, he like
Speaker 1: all of y'all can't get all that, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, because we all tried to go individually, but Drake,
Speaker 1: you know the way the word got back to me.
Speaker 1: Like Dre said, if he can't have all y'all in,
Speaker 1: we know, it's it's no point.
Speaker 3: We gotta make y'all can't make that happen.
Speaker 1: Though, Shit, what's up? Dre? Holler?
Speaker 3: Cold Ship and we need and we need another Bone album?
Speaker 3: You know out'll get it cracking.
Speaker 1: One call from Dre, watch how fast all five niggas
Speaker 1: get together?
Speaker 4: That would be his story.
Speaker 3: That would be some cold ship Dog, and it got
Speaker 3: to happen on that next Bone album, Dog.
Speaker 1: Man, come on, let's preach on that broom.
Speaker 3: What's up with the next Bone album? Dog? When is
Speaker 3: that coming together? Man? We go get just get the
Speaker 3: one of the greatest hip hop group of all time,
Speaker 3: the symbol one of the greats.
Speaker 1: So the legacy project. Man, we're talking about the h
Speaker 1: a double album, a world tour, we're talking about a
Speaker 1: coffee table book, and we're talking about the bio pic.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's cracked.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, four elements, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean of the world, wind, fire Water, I.
Speaker 4: Could definitely say if anybody can pull that ship off,
Speaker 4: y'all y'all that y'all, y'all one of them groups. Man,
Speaker 4: y'all want them international groups.
Speaker 1: Man, Man, I drop everything I'm doing for an opportunity
Speaker 1: to work with Doctor Dre Hell yeah, sure, my niggas
Speaker 1: feel the same.
Speaker 3: But you know what those dog, it's a couple of producers.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: Always thought Bone would be real beastie on. I still
Speaker 3: think now y'all should keep I think y'all most impotent
Speaker 3: in Coronation Dog is when y'all were Unique. I think
Speaker 3: Unique got that ship without.
Speaker 1: Chemistry right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would like to see him somehow be involved.
Speaker 3: But I would love to see y'all go fuck with
Speaker 3: the Justice League, you know, people like that Justice League,
Speaker 3: the Timberlain, that stuff would sound crazy. But keep a
Speaker 3: cat like Unique over that kind of you know, so
Speaker 3: the form of the all stay the same. You feel
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So the saft still there? You feel
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Unique Unique would be the overseer of the music period,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But to bring in all
Speaker 1: those dude, man, that's a dream come true. That's the
Speaker 1: way to close the dope for me.
Speaker 3: But y'all deserve that dough Dog y'all motherfucking bone thugs. Normally,
Speaker 3: Like I always tell this man one of my things
Speaker 3: for him, I'm like, man, eight, we need to get
Speaker 3: you one more major album, my nigga, one more major ones.
Speaker 3: These ones is dope. He drops some incredible material. But
Speaker 3: this nigga's nasty now than he was when he first
Speaker 3: came out. You feel what I'm saying, ain't nothing change,
Speaker 3: you know why, just get better with time exactly.
Speaker 1: But think about your little brother when you're working on
Speaker 1: that album. That's that's a bucket list right there too,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like that ain't nothing but a conversation dog that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this dude, man, I just do it for just
Speaker 4: I'm just one of them niggas who came into hip
Speaker 4: hop because I loved it, and I didn't look at
Speaker 4: it for you know, the accolades and the and the
Speaker 4: fame and the and the money and all of that.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to make records, man, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. I thought I was gonna still be a
Speaker 4: gang banging, dope dealing nigga on the block. Just I
Speaker 4: was gonna make records and shit, I never looked at
Speaker 4: it as being where a nigga has been or where
Speaker 4: nigga's going to. But you know, we credited, it's been
Speaker 4: here for fifty years. I came into the game early,
Speaker 4: and it's just been the love of it, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So that's what keep a nigga going.
Speaker 4: It's not so much as trying to find that next
Speaker 4: big payday off of hip hop. Is just now with
Speaker 4: all that niggas have contributed, just to be able to
Speaker 4: be honored and respected as going. Yeah, that nigga was
Speaker 4: you feel me, you know? And sometimes, like you said,
Speaker 4: you see all these lists and you see all these
Speaker 4: motherfuckers with their opinions about who is the greatest and
Speaker 4: who is this and who is that? But how can
Speaker 4: that how official can that shit be? Because my idea
Speaker 4: of the greatest might not be yours or might not
Speaker 4: be steals And that's not the discredit to motherfucker, That's
Speaker 4: what the hell, y'all.
Speaker 3: At twenty six, twenty one, twenty one, man, that's way too.
Speaker 1: All the matter of opinion.
Speaker 3: But you know what, though, did that come from? Because
Speaker 3: some of these journalists.
Speaker 4: A bro not to cut you off, but who was
Speaker 4: that number one outcast? And no disrespect no, I ain't
Speaker 4: outcast at all, but I listened to more Bone than
Speaker 4: I listened to outcasts. I mean, that's just no disrespect.
Speaker 4: I loved the outcast, but past a certain era, I
Speaker 4: didn't listen to outcasts anymore because it just wasn't my flow.
Speaker 4: You take their first motherfucking album, banged it all day
Speaker 4: like it was.
Speaker 1: You get me.
Speaker 4: But if you want to compare that to the speaker box,
Speaker 4: you know record, I really didn't bang that as much,
Speaker 4: but you get me. You want to compare that to
Speaker 4: bone thugs in harmony, I banged every each nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 4: but I banged out that month for the war out
Speaker 4: and my mother, we're.
Speaker 3: So cold as my kids is getting hit to that
Speaker 3: now man. My son to play ball, and my son
Speaker 3: is the fireman. Man, my oldest son. They come playing
Speaker 3: me some of your stuff sometimes, like Dad, what you
Speaker 3: know about this? I'm like, boy, shit down someone.
Speaker 4: I think the younger generation is starting to maybe appreciate
Speaker 4: some of the beginnings of hip hop. You hear me,
Speaker 4: because I couldn't get my son to listen to shit
Speaker 4: that we played. But just like you said, he'll come
Speaker 4: in here and play some knives he'll play some biggie,
Speaker 4: he'll play some of my shit, you know, I guess
Speaker 4: because sometimes the motherfucker need to be refreshed and they
Speaker 4: years need to hear you know, quality.
Speaker 3: Chris love DJ Quick though like his music, Like Quick said,
Speaker 3: I like Quick got the beats or talk about Quicks
Speaker 3: beats and stuff, so he getting hip, but you gotta
Speaker 3: remember for them, that's like us listening to our appearance records,
Speaker 3: like when my mama played Curtis Mayfield in the House
Speaker 3: al Green. I grew up loving that MU two and
Speaker 3: now I probably listened to fifty to fifty nineties hip hop,
Speaker 3: nineties early two thousands hip hop, and more Al Green
Speaker 3: and more oldies than anything else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, I listened to the oldies too. And
Speaker 1: just for the record, if I was making the list,
Speaker 1: it'd be run DMC would probably be the first one
Speaker 1: on my list.
Speaker 3: I mean, you were just saying that yesterday. You know what,
Speaker 3: bro I was arguing with the Glasses the other day
Speaker 3: because Glass as a baby, you know he you know,
Speaker 3: he a grown man, but he a baby in his
Speaker 3: hip hop stuff. Right. He was trying to argue me
Speaker 3: that l L was way more of a fact than
Speaker 3: run DMC. I said bro l L was the man,
Speaker 3: but he didn't come to the man until after run
Speaker 3: DMC had left the throne almost then. Was the first
Speaker 3: cast that had a shoe deal Dog. They were the
Speaker 3: first ones that had Adidas Deal Dog. They were the
Speaker 3: first ones. They dominated MTV when MTV first came out.
Speaker 3: That Walked This Way record was probably one of the
Speaker 3: biggest records, was the biggest look for hip hop at
Speaker 3: that time, and had that record not been made, hip
Speaker 3: hop probably wouldn't win as far as it did because
Speaker 3: to introduced hip hop to mainstream America.
Speaker 1: Glass is my bro too, but I would tell him
Speaker 1: watch Crush Groove. It was just saying run DMC. Them
Speaker 1: was demanded. They was headlining back then. And then LLLL
Speaker 1: had to come in with the little Radio Fox, remember
Speaker 1: that ship Fox. He had to. He had to.
Speaker 4: That's how russelling Them found ll and signed him to death.
Speaker 1: He had the audition for his that.
Speaker 4: Was basically like his little uh his promo. The Beastie
Speaker 4: Boys was in there siying him to he had I
Speaker 4: needed a beat out. Yeah. They figured, man, what better
Speaker 4: way than to promote our first fucking artists. Yeah, put
Speaker 4: him in the fucking movie. It was brilliant. But run DMC, like,
Speaker 4: you gonna get the argument because it's fifty years and
Speaker 4: you know nowadays they got so many you get me,
Speaker 4: there's so many groups and there's so many, but I
Speaker 4: think you have to give it to run DMC because
Speaker 4: it's like they they they show the motherfucker as far
Speaker 4: as a group is concerned, how you really can make it,
Speaker 4: and they made use the first tough times of him here. Yeah,
Speaker 4: what motherfuckers was like hip hop is this way.
Speaker 1: They only played that ship on Saturdays, and.
Speaker 4: They were able to break down the barriers of being
Speaker 4: able for four niggas like Outcasts and Wou Tang and
Speaker 4: comptence most wanted in n w A. You get me
Speaker 4: without them setting the motherfucking path and kicking down the
Speaker 4: doors of the stereotype all of nigga music and he
Speaker 4: thug motherfuckers.
Speaker 3: You gotta understand where hip hop was at the time. Like,
Speaker 3: I don't think n w A got rated nowhere as
Speaker 3: high as they should.
Speaker 1: Dog because they did. Man that they did.
Speaker 3: You know, the run n w A down as low
Speaker 3: as they did Dog was almost like disrespectful because to me,
Speaker 3: if I'm gonna put the top five together. I'm always
Speaker 3: tell people it don't matter where you number that because
Speaker 3: I can't say one is great than the others. But
Speaker 3: you have to have in your top ten. Man, if
Speaker 3: you don't have motherfucking n W A, motherfucking E, P
Speaker 3: M D, right, motherfucking just all those pivotal groups.
Speaker 1: Man, boys, boys, all these.
Speaker 3: People do because those people are the reason for the season.
Speaker 3: You can't have fucking C and D before A and B.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, like them lists that ain't nothing but
Speaker 1: a list. Man, Like.
Speaker 3: Yes, run DMC motherfucking thing, you know, even the Wu
Speaker 3: Tang clan. But to me, Bone is worthy of that
Speaker 3: top ten consideration because after you get past all of them, right,
Speaker 3: run dmcas and all them things, you come up into
Speaker 3: that early like late nineties. Dog, you got to put
Speaker 3: Bone there because that was like the next evolution of
Speaker 3: hip hop because it brought a new flow in. Wasn't
Speaker 3: nobody everything was March and the March, and then to
Speaker 3: been the thing that saying with them that came to
Speaker 3: say that's brother, y'all came with them, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. And it was so fresh, but you understood
Speaker 3: everything y'all was saying, and that ship was so dope, dog,
Speaker 3: and the music was melodic, you almost smoke. You be
Speaker 3: right down the streets like, well.
Speaker 1: All I gotta say, man, is you know we ain't
Speaker 1: done yet, So you know they could, they can, they
Speaker 1: can reserve their opinions for when we're done, because you know,
Speaker 1: to see a list like that make me pick up
Speaker 1: the phone and call my brothers, like, y'all, y'all want
Speaker 1: to show these niggas who do what you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So we ain't done, so they and it
Speaker 1: really don't matter, man. I've been able to take care
Speaker 1: of my family off this whole.
Speaker 4: I say that about all the times I think about
Speaker 4: I got fucked and money stolen and all that shit,
Speaker 4: and at the end of the day, I go, you
Speaker 4: know something, my son going to college. I'm still able
Speaker 4: to wake up every morning and do something that you know,
Speaker 4: I don't regret as far as God damn, I gotta
Speaker 4: get up today and I got it. You feel me.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of people who where it's nothing against
Speaker 4: the average motherfucker. There's a lot of motherfuckers who you know,
Speaker 4: it's a lot of people who have to get up
Speaker 4: and go through that show. Yeah, we blessed me, so
Speaker 4: to be blessed to be able to do something that
Speaker 4: you enjoy and and you know, you get to go
Speaker 4: on trips and you get to meet other people, and
Speaker 4: you know the perks of comes with being an entertainer
Speaker 4: sometimes and you know you wouldn't traded for nothing. So
Speaker 4: we go through the roller coaster rides and sometimes to
Speaker 4: disrespect and sometimes not feeling like motherfuckers, give us all
Speaker 4: props for all what we have done for fucking hip hop.
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, you go, so.
Speaker 1: I go, you know what, so what right, it's a blessing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm good, you feel me, I'm good, And none
Speaker 4: of that shit matters any.
Speaker 3: What they need to do, they need is start coming
Speaker 3: to the people really in the coach and asking about
Speaker 3: them list because to me, it would be like somebody
Speaker 3: coming to me asking me to make to create the
Speaker 3: top one hundred oldies of all time. I'm gonna feel like,
Speaker 3: in a way, I'm not qualified. I'm gonna go talk
Speaker 3: to my mama, my pops, my uncles and asked them
Speaker 3: what was going on because I didn't live in that time.
Speaker 3: So some of these little niggas that might be twenty
Speaker 3: twenty one. They don't understand the impact that a bone had,
Speaker 3: or the impact that a Wu tang or run DMC
Speaker 3: for that matter. To them, it's ancient. And I didn't
Speaker 3: realize how old hip hop was. The Glasses told me
Speaker 3: one day because we were talking about sampling, and he said, no,
Speaker 3: big bro, that's too old. You got to go back
Speaker 3: to Warren Z. I said, Warren G and them was
Speaker 3: just Yetter that's biting dog. And I thought about it.
Speaker 3: I said, that shit was twenty five thirty years ago.
Speaker 4: Dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were sampling the ship out of Roger and them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like it, uh all the
Speaker 1: funk that shit thirty years later, we were sampling them.
Speaker 1: So and that's why I did the mixtape that I did,
Speaker 1: because I wanted the new artists to know that we
Speaker 1: appreciate them, you know, going in the crates and find.
Speaker 3: That motherfucker, so I could put it in our description.
Speaker 1: I got you.
Speaker 3: I got put links in the description, man, so we
Speaker 3: don't help you captive here long enough. Man. We appreciate
Speaker 3: y'all hanging out with us once again, right yeah, and hey,
Speaker 3: y'all make sure, man, we gonna put the link to
Speaker 3: that mixtape down there. Man, make sure y'all go bang
Speaker 3: that man and go support that and go flood doctor Drey's.
Speaker 3: I don't know if Trey too rich to fuck with
Speaker 3: Twitter anything. Yeah, playing a staff and ship that. So
Speaker 3: y'all just make sure y'all hit Dre up man telling
Speaker 3: them we need that bone thud collaboration.
Speaker 1: Man, Man, please do you know what I'm saying? Let
Speaker 1: him know, Dre. I'm letting you know right now. Min
Speaker 1: we here, if the opportunity is there, were there?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and we gone. Jill Well. That concludes another
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