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Speaker 2: after this year, take this year out of it. This

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Speaker 1: And the one that's in trouble is Joe Burrow. The

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I can't make Trey Lance work. And the

427
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: Cowboys were like, ooh, here's a fourth round pick. Okay.

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Speaker 1: When Warren Buffett says be careful with bitcoin, I'm careful

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Speaker 1: with bitcoin. When Mike Tomlin says about a receiver. Listen,

430
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Speaker 1: I can't make it work. Chase Claypool, ab Martavius Bryant.

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00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: I mean this goes on Yoni Johnson, if Mike Tomlin,

432
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: who is two things, great motivator and incredibly patient with

433
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: immature players. When Mike says, yeah, guys, I'm out doubt.

434
00:27:54,840 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: But Jerry, this is a personality trait. Jerry loves to save.

435
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: He loves to give people jobs that need him. Chan Gaily,

436
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, Jason Garrett, Brian Schottenheimer. They feel like Jerry.

437
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: Jerry is saving it. He's giving a job that's not available.

438
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: McCarthy couldn't get interviews, parcels and Jimmy Johnson didn't need him.

439
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: That wore Jimmy out. Dak Prescott fourth round, he loves hey,

440
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: Tony Romol undrafted. Cowboys never draft quarterbacks in the first round.

441
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: They don't need Jerry. So when he goes and gets

442
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: George Pickens, who the reputation is out basically Tomlin, I'm out.

443
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: Jerry's like, I'm here, I'll make it work. I think

444
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: this is Jerry's wild catting oil days where he would

445
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: hunt for gems, and I think that is literally his

446
00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: mindset with coaches and sometimes draft picks and play is

447
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: that he feels like Pickens He's he's the rest of

448
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: the league is out. I am in, and I don't

449
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: think long term. I think that's why the Cowboys are

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00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: where the Cowboys are currently.

451
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: And I think that George Pickens is one of the

452
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: more overrated players in the whole league. And the reason

453
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: I feel that way is because I think certain football

454
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: fans this is one of my this is one of

455
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: my favorite and kind of relatively newest take, which is

456
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: talent has become wildly overrated, and particularly particularly in the NFL. Obviously,

457
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: you need a requisite level of talent. That goes without saying, However,

458
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: this idea that talent is some cure all when this

459
00:29:55,280 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: guy has been a pain in the ass every step

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00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: of his football life. It is why he fell on

461
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: the draft. It is why you were hearing rumors about

462
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: him being available during his second year. During his third year,

463
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: he was traded here. It is the he It's you know,

464
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 2: when you are potentially trying to get a contract in

465
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: the offseason and your team is in the middle of

466
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: a losing streak and you show up to the Christmas

467
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: Day game against the Kansas City Chiefs ninety minutes before kickoff.

468
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: You show up three hours before your TV show, Colin,

469
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: you have two hundred and twenty of them a year.

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Speaker 2: He's got seventeen football games, and he like, you're just

471
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: not a serious person and you're not going to contribute

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Speaker 2: to winning the way your talent says you should. And

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Speaker 2: so there's that. There is also the fact that trading

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Speaker 2: a third round pick for a player with one year

475
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: left on his contract means you probably should give him

476
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: a contract extension. The only thing worse, in my opinion,

477
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 2: than trading a third round pick for one year of

478
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: George Pickens than letting him be a free agent, is

479
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: giving that guy fifty million guarantee. So the Cowboys put

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00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: themselves in a position where it's no win. Do we

481
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: pay this guy early when he has never he's never

482
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: been the top ten in the NFL of anything. He's like,

483
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: his career numbers are pedestrian, he's never outpaced his production,

484
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: has never outpaced his targets, and he is.

485
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Speaker 1: Quarterback.

486
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: A million gets unnecessary, a million problems there, so you

487
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: can't pay him. But the other thing you shouldn't do

488
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: is a smart franchise is keep trading these mid round

489
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: picks for rentals. And so I two years ago, Colin

490
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: the Chiefs ended up winning the Super Bowl. But two

491
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: years ago, when the Chiefs had nothing but drops everywhere

492
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 2: and the receivers couldn't do anything, Yeah, Pickens was available then,

493
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: and Wilds and Bruke couldn't believe me. I was like,

494
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: I don't want him. I was like, the Chiefs already

495
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: are on thin ice with Kadarius Tony, like they you know,

496
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: And they got They got. The Chiefs trade for Canarius Tony.

497
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: They gave up a fifth round pick. He had three

498
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: years left on his deal, and that's still Listen. He

499
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: had the amazing partner turn of the Super Bowl, but

500
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: he's still ultimately got can't get right. Guys can't get right,

501
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: and so I I'm not a Pickens guy. I also

502
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: think he's a somewhat overrated player. And I also think,

503
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: for if Mike Tomlin had a hard time keeping him

504
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: inside the lines. Brian Schottenheimer in his first year as

505
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: a head coach, how much of Brian Schottenheimer's time is

506
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 2: going to be about Micah's podcast and whatever the old

507
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: George Pickens did a lot of it is the.

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Speaker 1: Answer to that. Yeah, if a rehab centers like.

509
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're done exactly right, it's insane.

510
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Speaker 1: I want to go to Baker Mayfield. I thought you

511
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: had an interesting Somebody once in the last year asked

512
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield about me and blah blah blah, and he said, well,

513
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: we're frenemies. And I think Baker knows I like him

514
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: and respect him, and he's always been nice to me.

515
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: He said nice things publicly. You had to take the

516
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: other day that he's actually he was over discussed when

517
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: he was in Cleveland. He's now under discussed. Yeah, And

518
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: it's it's funny because I think Baker's better than Dak.

519
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: He's better than Tua. He's better than Gino, He's better

520
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: than Aaron, He's better than Russell, He's better than Cousins.

521
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: I think he and Darnold are very similar that they

522
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: can be mistake prone, but they can plan it.

523
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: And there there were touchdowns last year.

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Speaker 1: He's been really good. Go ahead, Yeah, No, Baker is

525
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: a prime example. You see this a lot in the NBA,

526
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: where a guy comes in and you just needs the

527
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: mature aunt Edwards. In the NFL, generally Maturity's not the issue.

528
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: It's you either have it or you don't. Baker was

529
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: the rare lot of testosterone, a lot of confidence, and

530
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: I felt like, can somebody turn the governor down just

531
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: a little? He was Johnny Manziel, but more likable and

532
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: with actual talent. He could really throw a football. But

533
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: I think Baker is the rare NFL player and quarterback.

534
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: You're like one of the talents. Inarguable, he's just got

535
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: to turn the governor down. Cleveland was not built for Baker.

536
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: You go to a great GM, a talented roster in Tampa,

537
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: which is, by the way, below the radar. It's in

538
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: the NFC South, which is a low profile division. Baker

539
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: now is absolutely underdiscussed. He is a really good NFL quarterback.

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00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't think that's disputable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's hard to make a top ten

542
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: and not include it. And then when you add to

543
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: the fact that he makes around sixty percent of what

544
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 2: the other guys in that top ten make, his value

545
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: is massive. He for a guy who dealt with injuries

546
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: during in his time in Cleveland, he's incredibly durable. His

547
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: teammates love him, and he now has back to back

548
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: years of really high productivity, a playoff quarterback, win the

549
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: division again, forty touchdowns last year, and so yeah, I

550
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: think that there was because he was talked about so

551
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 2: much when he wasn't yet that good. I think people

552
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 2: got I don't know if numbs the right word, but

553
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: they were just kind of got over him. And now

554
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: that he is, I think really good people are just like, Okay, yeah,

555
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: that's Baker, Like he's a people I think boxed ten in.

556
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: He's a good story and that is true, but he's

557
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: more than that at this point. At this point, like

558
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: do I this is you know, a third rail for

559
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: some Do I think he's better than Brock Birdie? I

560
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 2: do what I rather like And so you said, Dak Prescott,

561
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 2: I think that's close. I think that there is. There

562
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: are a lot of quarterbacks that like I'll give you

563
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: a great example. Now, this guy's young and we'll see,

564
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 2: but he makes a lot of money. I think he's

565
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: pretty clearly better than Jordan Love. And I think that

566
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: Jordan Love is discussed like he is. You know what

567
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: I mean? This hasty, I have.

568
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: To it's interesting. So I was really not anti Jordan Love,

569
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: but I but I said, for two years there is

570
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: more footage of Bigfoot than Jordan Love. They're hiding him

571
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Speaker 1: for a reason. Then he came out and he was

572
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: kind of sensational and I really bought into him. And

573
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: then it's as if the league defensive coordinators got all

574
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: this footage and they found holes. And at the end

575
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: of last year, you're like, oh, people have caught on

576
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: to him. This is now. It would be a sophomore

577
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: slump for anybody else, but he was like in.

578
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 2: His fourth year year.

579
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I want to see him. So now

580
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: it's like an NBA playoff series, like you get worked,

581
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: then you change things and that there's stages and coaching,

582
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: you know, adaptations.

583
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 2: Yep.

584
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. So now I've seen Jordan's shock the league. Now

585
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: I've seen people react and he struggles. Now I want

586
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: to see his next hand with Matt Lafleur. That's why

587
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: they drafted to me ag a receiver in the first round,

588
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: because they're like, listen, we he may need a little

589
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: more help than we think here. But I so, I'm

590
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: not sure Baker's better. I think Jordan's got a hell

591
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: of a whip and he's a really good athlete, but

592
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: he's he's one of the last quarterbacks in this league,

593
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: Jordan Love, I'm not sure. I know who's bad, I

594
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: know who's good. I know who's pretty good. Jordan Love

595
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 1: is the last. I'm not really sure what he is

596
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: in the league.

597
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: To me, I'm gonna throw another guy that I'm not.

598
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 2: I think this guy's really good, but I'm gonna put

599
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: the not sure, and that's CJ. I think that I

600
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: think CJ's really good. It is there are some I

601
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: think it is hard in the modern NFL to be

602
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 2: really good if you hate running, you don't, you know

603
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: what I mean? And and now like I'm sure CJ,

604
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: especially because he's black quarterback, like was probably you know,

605
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: felt pressure like to prove to everyone like I'm I'm

606
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: not you know what I mean, I'm not a running

607
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 2: back with that also play in the position. I'm a

608
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: true prototypical pocket passer. The problem with that is that

609
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: position it's not extinct, but it is on the just

610
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: the Matt Stafford, Jared Goff, Joe Burrows style is it's

611
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: just a hard way to make a living. And it

612
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: doesn't mean you have to be you know, one read

613
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: and then take off and run. But it's a nice

614
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 2: pitch to have particularly come the playoffs well. And I

615
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: thought CJ in the playoffs last year actually went to

616
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: it a little more and so that was a good sign.

617
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: But I just want to see a little more from him.

618
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think in general, we usually know who

619
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: these guys are, and then there are guys who like

620
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: this is the thing that I would say about guys

621
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: like Donald or Gino. I don't think Darnald's a weird

622
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 2: one for you because you always saw this really good player.

623
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 2: But I think people that said like those guys were

624
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: not good potentially were correct, and then those guys, through

625
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: hard work and maturation and learning and getting older, got good,

626
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: like you know what I And so like the I

627
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: think that a guy like Gino, I think Gino was

628
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: probably rightfully you know, lower tier backup early and then

629
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: worked his ass off, got better, learned more and became

630
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 2: this player. But yeah, I think most of the quarterbacks

631
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: we know, we know about who they are. The one

632
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 2: I'll throw another one at you that to me is

633
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: the most confusing or most intriguing, and that's Herbert. Because Herbert,

634
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: it's there is no there is no question how talented

635
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: he is. But five years into your career. You need

636
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: more than just he throws an amazing ball. And there's

637
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: not a lot of quarterbacks who five years into their

638
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: career who ended up being amazing, who five years into

639
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: their career hadn't accomplished anything. And he's on that list.

640
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, he his first two coaches, though, Dean Spanos

641
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: until Harbaugh never paid money for a coach, so his

642
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: first two coaches were a miss. So I do think

643
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: he's a rare. Circumstantially, I think he's a rare. I

644
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 1: think the people in the league that I know all

645
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: love him. He was also the justin Herbert criticism is fair.

646
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: He was mechanical on film. People thought he was mechanical.

647
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: Tom Telesco, who drafted him, said, we thought he was mechanical.

648
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: Then I went and watched him in person and I

649
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: saw him play the best Iowa, best Wisconsin defense of

650
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: all time and went, oh, Okay, he's not that mechanical,

651
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: but he can be sort of a rhythm quarterback where

652
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: when he gets out of rhythm. You know, I've said

653
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: this about certain players are like the Pacers are a

654
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: rhythm offense. Halliburton leaves for four and a half minutes.

655
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: They can't get the rhythm back, like it's like, oh,

656
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: it just doesn't work. Like Herbert's a rhythm thrower, Like

657
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: he gets into a rhythm and if you bang him,

658
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: or he gets sacked or a receiver drops it, he

659
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: can get out of rhythm. A lot of quarterbacks, aren't,

660
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: They just they just pick it up, they go. So

661
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: I think the criticism of Herbert are fair. But he's six'

662
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: five a, four two biology.

663
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: Jobs he's super, smart he's super. Athletic he could run.

664
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: More he did a little more under, hardball like he in.

665
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 2: College he ran the hell out of the ball when

666
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 2: they needed. To here would be kind of a CONCERN i.

667
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 2: Have that is really just a kernel of a BELIEF

668
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 2: i have about, sports which is particularly for the most scrutinized.

669
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 2: Positions so best player on AN nba, team quarterback on

670
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: a football. Team the randomness of your first couple times

671
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: in a big spot casts the longest shadow a magical

672
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: over your. Career and So i'll use a basketball example

673
00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: than a couple of football. Examples the fact That kobe

674
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: as a teenager basically was a, champion and That, Listen

675
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 2: kobe was unbelievable on the second two championships With. Shaq

676
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: but that first championship With, shaq he was a role

677
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: player and it was Peak shaquille. O'Neal but before he

678
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 2: can is old enough to, drink he's a. Champion no

679
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 2: one is ever going to be able to be, like

680
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 2: can he can you win a ring With Kobe? Bryant

681
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: and that gave, him in my, opinion the freedom to be,

682
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: Like i'll take every fucking into game. Shot no one

683
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: can ever say anything bad about, me, right and so

684
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: it had a real. IMPACT i do. THINK i Think

685
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: Tom brady is one of the greatest athletes of all

686
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: time and obviously has the greatest resume of any quarterback.

687
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 2: EVER i also wonder if they simply hadn't you, KNOW

688
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: i won't even do the the. Game if in that

689
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: First Super bowl Then Terry, miss yeah miss is the field,

690
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: goal or he makes one bad read or whatever it

691
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 2: is and they don't win, there then does he have

692
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: like the freedom to be him in those? Moments moving?

693
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 2: FORWARD i think THAT i THINK i think there is

694
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 2: a chance that we are talking About Russell wilson the

695
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 2: way we talk About Terry. Bradshaw if he doesn't throw

696
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 2: The Malcolm butler pick BECAUSE i think if they would

697
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: have won That Super bowl and he really, believed Like

698
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: i'm ordainous By god to do, this that it then

699
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: led to itself and.

700
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: Then go, ahead well, no, No and by losing That

701
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: Super bowl and throwing that, pick it eroded the chemistry

702
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: in the locker room and it was never the same

703
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: off one, play AND i.

704
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: Think it eroded for. Him this feeling of this is

705
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: meant to be the the flip side to those To

706
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 2: brady or To. Kobe example Is. Peyton So peyton early

707
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: in his career came up short in a couple of

708
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 2: big spots and then it just the weight got bigger and,

709
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 2: bigger and he got That moniker even though he's a

710
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: challenged any football Player i've ever. Seen so the REASON

711
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: i bring that up IS I i worry that For,

712
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: herbert he is going to walk into his next playoff

713
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 2: game with the weight of the world on his. Shoulders

714
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 2: he's gonna be Like i've been. HERE i basically played

715
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: two real and one de facto playoff. Game the de

716
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: facto was The week Eighteen Chargers. Raiders remember that were

717
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: like a. Tie you both go to the playoffs and

718
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 2: The raiders stealing at the end we blew a four

719
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: score lead to The, jags AND i threw four picks

720
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: in my other playoff, game and it just it is

721
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 2: so it's so fleeting what that you know what those can.

722
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 2: Be and so that is to, me, like, well a

723
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: real and Something i'm excited to see moving because you've

724
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: seen how it's worn On lamar and you see the

725
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: Freedom mahomes plays with moms like nobody can ever call

726
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: me anything but, clutch and he can play.

727
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: Like, that well it. Can lamar now is feeling the.

728
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: Pressure you can See lamar in playoff games as. TIGHT

729
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: i think eventually the failures of The chargers and The

730
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: spanos family to get the right coach got them to

731
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: pay fifteen million dollars a year For. Harbass so he

732
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: has his. Kingmaker AND i also think it Takes this

733
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: is something that people don't really understand. THIS i think

734
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 1: we tend, men at least In, america tend to worship other,

735
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: men and we we just forget That Michael jordan for

736
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: years didn't do shit Without pippen and at the end

737
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: it was pathetic In. Washington but it's six for six

738
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 1: and he's the greatest ever and he failed at, baseball

739
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: And michael Got Phil jackson And Scottie pippen and everything.

740
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: Changed he was just kind of a ballhog who couldn't

741
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: get Past, boston he couldn't get Past. Detroit it didn't

742
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: get along with a lot of teammates early In chicago Or, Layton.

743
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: Washington and even when he was with The, bulls he was.

744
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: Hard in the Documentary Tom cruise a great. Example So

745
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: Tom cruise goes into a high school play and a

746
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: year later he's in the, movies and not long after

747
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: that he's in a risky business and that really defines.

748
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: HIM i, mean Ray ban sales, exploded you, know from

749
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: the underwear scene in risky. Business So tom had absolute.

750
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 1: Talent but if you go back and look At Tom,

751
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: cruise who is as, driven willful and obsessed about movies as.

752
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: Anybody it was until his last five to six movies

753
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 1: where he finally came to terms With i'm just gonna

754
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: run a lot and do action movies and they all.

755
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 1: Hit and his last five to six movies have been massive.

756
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 1: Hits he Did rock Of, Ages Eyes Wide, Shut Vanilla,

757
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: sky who some people really, Like i've never seen. It

758
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: he had lots of. Missus Marlon brando had lots of,

759
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: misses so think how long it took for, finally finally

760
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: A Bradley cooper to find the right, director Or Tom

761
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: cruise to find the right. Vehicle he was always, talented

762
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: but Like, herbert he needs his. Hardball and that's WHAT

763
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: i think we tend to forget is That Michael jordan

764
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: Had Doug collins and Stan, olbrick but No Scottie. Pippt

765
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: he couldn't win a.

766
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: Playoff series, correct none of.

767
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: Them so you just you just need so much. Help

768
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: and that's you, know when anybody will ever ask, me

769
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: you know about, gosh how do you think you've done

770
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: it for thirty? Years and you have been doing this

771
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: AND i, Say i've had great. Help i've had really good.

772
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: Bosses i've had a couple, stinkers but overwhelming we've had

773
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: really good support and really good agents and really good.

774
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: BOSSES i would have been somewhat. Successful but the point

775
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: being is if you find a great stockbroker or, YOUTH

776
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: i Mean, obama he has, Somewhere he's got a kingmaker behind,

777
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: him you, know somebody behind him believed in, him and

778
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: we just forget that in sports and That mahomes would

779
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: have been, successful But Brett veach And Andy reider a big.

780
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 4: Part oh, yeah, well the, yeah and that it's also

781
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 4: one of the reasons THAT i find THE i find

782
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 4: it really fun but also frustrating at times when we.

783
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 2: Trying to parse individual credit for team sports. Success is

784
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 2: one of the most fun things about our. Business and

785
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 2: it's also why a guy WHEN i see, similarly but,

786
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 2: it's you, know one of the more POLARIZING i feel

787
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: quarterbacks is so interesting In party because there is it's

788
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 2: so much of all, right who is? It are? We you,

789
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 2: know LIKE i argue With wild's about. It wild's basically

790
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 2: his take is THAT i believe when The niners, Win shanahan,

791
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: won and when they, Lose party, Lost like is it

792
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: you know that The shanahan gets the credit and doesn't

793
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 2: get the. Blame and my my actual take is THAT

794
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: i think that there is there are a lot of

795
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 2: factors that have gone into why a quarterback who everyone

796
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 2: in the, league including The niners thought was not that,

797
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 2: good has had statistically one of the three or four

798
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: greatest starts to a career in the history of the.

799
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: SPORT i understand there are. MISSES i gets. IT i

800
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: Know brady went one ninety. NINE i understand all, that

801
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: BUT i when people with purty people will, say you

802
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: would feel differently if he were the number one, pick

803
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: and my answer is, yes of, course.

804
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: Of course he'd be a better.

805
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 2: Player, right that's the, right because that's that's. It you

806
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 2: wouldn't the. Draft it's not, random like if you were

807
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 2: the number one, pick he wouldn't be. Undersized he would

808
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: have a slightly stronger on that's. Right he, was, like

809
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 2: there's real things to.

810
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: It Tony romo was undrafted When Bill parcells found, Him

811
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: so the first four to five years Of Tony romo's

812
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: roster was. Great didn't pay him. Anything he was. Free

813
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: the minute they started Paying Tony, romo the offensive line

814
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: wasn't as, good And Tony romo couldn't win big, games

815
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: even Though Tony romo is a really GOOD b plus

816
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: a minus. Quarterback But Tony romo was. Free Kurt warner

817
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: early in his, career WHO i think is, great undervalued,

818
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: historically ye, know came into the.

819
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 2: League he was.

820
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: Free there's no question that Brock perty's lineup was stamped, well.

821
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 2: Stamp, well and, listen we don't we've done the party thing.

822
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 2: Before what is so frustrating me about the party thing

823
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 2: is and maybe this is why it's an ARGUMENT i

824
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 2: can't get over is and And i'm gonna make this,

825
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: point you, know till the end of my, career as

826
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 2: long as this is. Relevant four, years folks argued About Jimmy.

827
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: Garoppolo is he just a? Winner is he? Underrated you?

828
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: Know is you?

829
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 3: Know?

830
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 2: Was did he Make brady nervous because he was breathing

831
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 2: down his? Neck and then there were folks like. Me

832
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: he was, like, AH i actually think he's pretty, mediocre

833
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: and they'd be like, no that team was. Terrible and

834
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: then he got. There they went to AN nfc championship,

835
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 2: game they went to a Super, bowl AND i kept, saying,

836
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 2: YEAH i really think twenty five quarterbacks in the, league

837
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 2: if you gave them the defense The niners, had then

838
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 2: that head, coach those, weapons they would be incredibly. Successful

839
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: and it's, like, well that's a, hypothetical we'll never. Know

840
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 2: and then they literally replaced him with the last pick

841
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 2: of the draft had the exact same level of, success

842
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: and those same people instead of being like, shit maybe you're,

843
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 2: right they're like that new, guy he's fucking awesome, too

844
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,240
Speaker 2: And i'm, like you gotta be kidding.

845
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 5: Me i'm, like they literally did. It they didn't replace

846
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 5: him with a first round. Pick they replaced him with

847
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 5: the last pick of the. Draft and guess what they.

848
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 5: Did they went to AN nfc championship game like they

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Speaker 5: did With. Jimmy they then went to a Super bowl

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Speaker 5: like they did With.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy they lost The Super bowl to literally the same

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Speaker 2: team in very similar. Fashion And you're, like turns out

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Speaker 2: they're both. Awesome and Then i'm, like, hey by the,

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Speaker 2: way How's garppolo look now that he's gone.

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Speaker 1: Playing they're, like, oh, well.

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Speaker 3: You, know.

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Speaker 2: INJURIES i. Guess i'm, like or maybe he's. Stuck LIKE

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Speaker 2: i Think perty's obviously better Than, Groppolo but Like groppolo

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Speaker 2: was a is a below average quarterback who looked quite.

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Speaker 2: GOOD i Think perty's an average quarterback who looks great

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Speaker 2: in the exact same. System and by the, Way Jimmy

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Speaker 2: grappolo never Had christian. McCaffrey AND i just feel myself

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Speaker 2: going crazy on. It and then they paid a fifty

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Speaker 2: three million, dollars so what DO i.

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Speaker 1: Know the volume