WEBVTT - Black Hammer with WF Thomas 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:09.200 It could happen here is the podcast that This is 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:13.440 where we talk about things that are happening here. Generally 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:17.680 things fallen apart um, sometimes things getting put back together. 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:20.880 Today we have a story that I wasn't sure if 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.600 we were ever going to cover. Um. In brief, we're 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:26.840 going to be talking about a group called Black Hammer 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:34.200 that is, on its surface, a leftist anti colonial political organization. Um, 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:36.839 and a reality is more or less occult. Um. The 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:40.320 reason we're talking about them is that someone is now 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:45.800 dead connected with them. The story is interesting and messy 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:49.080 and says a lot about the way social media works 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:52.640 today and the way that the United States is essentially 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:56.080 like forty different cults in a trench coat. Um. So Uh, 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.280 today I'm here with James Stout and we are talking 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:03.920 with journalist W. F. Thomas. H Thomas. What do you? 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:05.240 What do you? What do you? What do you? How? 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:13.040 How are you doing today? Uh? Today is a day, Um. 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:20.000 This story is stuff is still coming out. About an 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:29.840 hour ago, charges were finally posted um for the cult leader. Um. 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:34.200 But that's further along. Yeah, the story. If you hear 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.560 chirping in the background, those are for live chickens. So 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:41.560 my apologies all little babies. I just got rabbits that 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:45.760 I have now living in my my chicken facility, and 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.559 they seem to be thriving. It's nice. I like having 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:53.000 little animals around all Right, So who are Black Hammer 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:58.200 and how did how did they get to the present position? 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:02.000 So I think we should probably start of like nineteen right, 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:04.200 is kind of when these these folks sort of start 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:10.640 to come on the scene. Yeah, Um, you know you 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:14.679 could take this story back a lot further. Okay, let's 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:23.360 do that. Um. So, sometime in the late eighties, Um 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:27.600 Augustus Romaine Jr. Was born. Um, this is the person 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:33.639 we're commonly known as Gazikazo. Um they used they then 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:37.920 pronouns who would go on to be the leader of 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:43.720 this group. Um. Cazo grew up in Stone Mountain outside 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:48.480 of Atlanta, UM and in the early had kind of 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:52.480 a lifestyle blogger YouTube thing going on. Um was a 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:57.280 self professed Cosmos biggest fan and generally seemed like they 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:01.560 were trying to get famous, Yeah, like in fluencers style famous. Right. 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:05.120 This was not at all political at this period. Yeah, 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.800 And UM, that's gonna be kind of the red thread 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:11.800 through this story is Caso. I'm gonna refer to them 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:15.080 as CASO. I guess this remained junior. Um. Wanting to 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:19.040 be famous is kind of, unfortunately the main thing that 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:25.120 drives most of what has happened. UM. At some point, 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:29.800 you know, in the mid um Cardso took this turn 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:34.880 and started making more incendiary videos. UM. I don't have 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:36.360 them directly in front of me, so I don't want 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:42.000 to misquote them. UM, but kind of like going out 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.600 pushing this concept like white people are evil, going for 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:53.840 this very specific type of leftism, and um Ghazi Carso 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.240 gets taken taken under the wing of and I'm gonna 0:03:56.360 --> 0:04:02.840 mispronounce this name uh O'Malley yesh hella UM. And this 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.200 is a person who is leading a group in St. Petersburg, 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:10.920 Florida called the African People's Socialist Party UM and Africans 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.840 People Socialist Party. It was part of this larger thing 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:18.120 called the Huru Solidarity movement. I don't know if they're 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:22.400 still around, but you know their their ideology was their 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:28.080 world communism, African internationalism, that type of thing. And what 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:30.800 is let's talk a little bit about the word of Huru, 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:33.320 because that's something if you if you've ever been in 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.960 and around Proud Boys. First off, I'm sorry, it's not 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.880 a fun experience generally, but they like to shout at 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:43.279 huru UM, and I understand that that's kind of related 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:47.960 one way or they outed the other to this. Yeah, so, UM, 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:49.960 I don't have it directly in front of me what 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:54.640 or huru means. But you know the reason probably say 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:58.880 that is because of Gazi Cadzo. There are times several 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:04.680 times when Codso spoke made appearances with Gavin Mcinness, founder 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:10.760 of the Proud Boys, and Carso generally became and still 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:13.880 is treated as a loll cow UM kind of this 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.960 target for derision to poke at to see what is 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:23.719 this person doing which is still happening right now. Unfortunately, UM. 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:27.120 You know, Carzo rose through the ranks of this group 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:33.000 UM and then eventually found out that this is basically 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:39.960 a cult. The African People's Socialist Party UM had a 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:46.279 specific focus on membership from colonized people, people of color, UM. 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:49.960 But it turns out this was being steered entirely by 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:54.520 a group of white people. So it's out of the 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:59.880 ashes of this experience, this abusive experience UM, this Coli group, cause, 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:03.400 along with some other people leave this group and they 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.520 go onto for a Black Hammer in February of two 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:10.400 thousand nineteen, which the originally was the Black Hammer Organization UM. 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:16.240 And there's some really good write ups, especially read Voice 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:21.480 definitely recommend that and there are I think you broke 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:23.360 out for a second. So the title of that article 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.440 is the Devil Wears a Dashiki. It's like six seven parts, 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:29.760 but it's really good conference and that gets into a 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:31.279 lot of what's wry to get a lot of this 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:36.600 information from UM. And there were additionally, what would happen 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.240 to some of these people who founded this group Black 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.880 Hammer Organization who are also parts of the African People's 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:48.000 Socialist Party UM would disavow ghazi kads that would disabout 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:51.880 Black Hammer and have kind of their own statement about 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.480 here's what happened, you know, and which they say, Hey, 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:57.520 we never recovered from this experience in this traumatic group, 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.360 in this cult like group, and instead went on to 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.599 found this new one, and we're very you know, it 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.360 was kind of failed from the start to become this 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:14.560 other cult like group. So just to clarify on the 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:19.000 hurry thing that it comes from the African People's Socialist Party, right, 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.440 and then he's they have taken it and run with 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:28.520 it in the Black Hammer organization. So the African People's 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.760 Socialist Party was part of this umbrella or group called 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:35.600 the who Solidarity Movement. This group is still around if 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:39.120 you look at like the Channel five with Andrew Callahan 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:40.560 has a video where they go to this march for 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:44.400 reparations and that group is the WHU Solidarity Movement. Got it? 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:49.240 Okay if you're familiar with that. Yeah, yeah, so we 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:54.040 get this organization founded and kind of from what my 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:57.040 perusal of because I've also you can go to their website. 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:01.200 Black Hammer has like a news site. Um, they are 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:04.280 kind of building huh oh yeah, yeah, they're they're kind 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:11.120 of for now. Yeah. They bill themselves as like an 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:16.560 anti colonial organization that is specifically like, um, like one 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:18.640 of the things they do is they have like a 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.320 white people's auxiliary that like is for the purpose of 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:25.920 people paying reparations. Um. They have you know, they carried 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:30.040 out a couple of actual direct actions during including like 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:34.120 handing out masks and whatnot. Um. But for the most part, 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:38.679 they seem to exist primarily to drive attention to themselves 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:43.280 and thus donations via social media. And yeah, that that's 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.360 that's I think if you've, if you've personally interacted with 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.880 Blackhammer propaganda at all, it is probably because you've seen 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.640 someone on the internet talking about how Anne Frank Uh 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:57.360 is a Karen or something like that. Yeah, let's talk 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:00.240 about that. Yeah yeah. So, so I want to touch 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.960 on something real quick that you mentioned, you know, in 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.319 these comments from the people who found the organization, left 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:10.120 the organization, these were these are still true believers who 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.840 believe in this cause of de colonialization of African internationalism 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:17.240 and who do want to build a better world and 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:21.280 do good things. Um. You know, in talking with people 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.120 have survived the cold, it sounds like Causo probably never 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.240 was a true believer, but there weren't true believers around 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:30.720 Causo who believed in this cause. Um. And because about 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:35.400 we're able to be abused, to be profoundly abused by 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:40.360 Carso and the people working directly under Canso Casos behest 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:47.520 um So April twenty in a tweet I believe Uh, 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:51.480 Caso calls and Frank Becky follows up by how she's 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:58.640 a Karen, which one is a ridiculous statement, two is 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:03.040 entirely meant to cause this kind of uproar around that 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:07.520 you know, um, back at this time there was acceptance 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:11.520 of the Black Hammer organization in leftist circles, in that 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:18.640 kind of online communist community. Um, and there were people 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:20.920 who came out kind of like, oh no, let's hear 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:24.880 what they're saying about this, you know, talking about how victims. 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:29.679 You know, the term genocide was invented to describe the Holocaust, 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:33.839 but that term wasn't used to describe slavery that kind 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.800 of thing, which, to be clear, is not the conversation 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:38.920 that Caso was trying to have. That was not No, 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:42.480 and that is a worthwhile conversation to have, is like why, 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:46.920 you know, like why is that not? Why is the 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.200 the enslavement and like mass murder of a huge number 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.240 of African people not seen as an act of genocide? 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:54.880 Certainly a valid conversation to have, but also should not 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:58.160 at all intersect with Anne Frank or how we think 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:03.920 about the Holocaust. Yeah, and because we're living in health Yeah, 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.760 this fake you know, kind of propped up, not a 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.959 real discussion. It's meant to just piss people off. Is 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:15.880 back again? Oh good, what a great time. Yeah. Based 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.360 on documents that have come out that are purported to 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:22.400 be from internal Black Hammer documents. This is part of 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:28.960 their operations Storm of White Tears UM, which was seemingly 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:32.400 this and again I don't know for sure if these 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.720 documents are from them, but these documents that are purported 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:38.240 to be from Black Hammer UM lay out this strategy 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:44.960 to cause division too, kind of bring other groups down, 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:48.280 to elevate Black Hammer's own status by putting themselves as 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:50.880 the center of attention in all of this that is 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:57.560 happening UM, in this online fiasco UM. Because again, the 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:01.280 ideology is not the point. The attention is the point. 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:05.960 The control is the point. Along this way, there's there's 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:08.960 you know, there are a lot of allegations out there. 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:15.320 There are you know, for example, allegations that false, false 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:18.440 allegations of pedophilia and sexual assault were used against people 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.640 who left the group, people who spoke about against the group, 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:28.400 that they were recruiting people on tinder. Um. Yeah. So 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:33.440 along the way, some more chapters form. UM. There's one 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:38.080 believe near Aurora, Colorado, or at least in Colorado. There's 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.439 a New York City one, and kind of the group 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:47.040 continues to rise as almost you know, you know, your 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:52.040 typical revolutionary communist cell that we have wait a few 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.640 of in the United States going on right now. Um, 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:59.559 they structure, they purport to structure themselves around the tenets 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:06.600 of democratic centralism as some of these other groups do. Um, 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:10.120 which to dump things down a lot, and there's probably 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:14.880 gonna be left is screaming at me right now. Um. 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:18.160 Was this idea from lenin where a group takes a 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.679 vote and then if that vote passes, they all agree 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:26.040 to go along with that platform with usually about fium 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.440 so that there's not kind of the splitting off of faction. 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:33.520 So it can lead to this very centralized and hierarchical 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:38.079 control structure. That's certainly what happened in Black Hammer. Um. 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:41.280 There are other democratic centrals groups that have been in 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:46.720 the news lately who use a similar strategy. UM. But 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.559 you know what this meant is it allowed God cause 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:56.120 it allowed Codso to run this group with an iron fist. Um. 0:13:56.160 --> 0:14:00.200 You know, on paper, there were there was a group 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.560 of people leading the group. Um, someone else was in 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:07.680 control of the money, but in fact it was Carso 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:13.080 controlling all of this. Um. They also had you know, 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:16.880 shared living spaces where members of different chapters of Black 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:27.040 Hammer lived Hammer houses. UM. And that's always going to end, well, yeah, don't. Generally, 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.680 it's a good rule not to go live with the 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:33.520 revolutionary cell you just joined. Yeah. If if you are 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.440 joining a political party and they want everyone to live 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.840 in the same space that is controlled by that political organization, 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:44.120 you may in fact be joining a cult. Yeah, And 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:47.400 you know, there's there continues to be kind of trying 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:52.120 to get more attention. At one point, you know, Caso 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.760 starts beef with a local anti fascist crew in Colorado. 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:59.880 You know, another thing to mention about this group is 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.440 it's a lot of queer people in the group. You know, 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:07.360 Gauzi identifies as non binary. There are you know, several 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:11.200 many members who love people of the same sex. And 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.800 you know, one of the things that happens as Gauzi 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:19.800 is beefing with the local anti fascist crew is something 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:21.720 that people are probably thinking of when they hear the 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:25.600 name Gazzi Kozo. Is this bizarre video of Cazo running 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:32.320 around in joker makeup talking about white anarchists and anti fascists, 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:35.560 which the background is actually even more funked up than 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:39.880 you would I think, having just heard that, UM as 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:44.360 outline Red Voice goes into this specifically, UM there were 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:48.080 members of the group who were you know, practitioners of 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:53.440 Yoruba um, an African religion. Um. And one of them 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.720 was a trained Um I don't know the correct term, 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.560 so I'm just gonna say practitioner of this religion had 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:03.640 gone through an education process in that that took some time. Um. 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:08.280 And this video of Gazi running around and joker makeup 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:15.000 was Gazie's idea too. Channel the ddsume and my apologies 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.760 on mispronounced now which is a Guroba deity you know. Um. 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.120 And before this happened, apparently Gazi had brought this up 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.400 to the person and the person said that is extremely 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:28.960 disrespectful of my religion. Don't do that, and Gazi did 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.720 it anyway. Um. And this is you know, another one 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.480 of the things where this gets sent around all the time, 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:38.480 as you know, treating Black Hammer as a loll cow. 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:40.400 But you know, even as this was going on, there 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:43.880 was this abuse that was going on as well and 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:49.040 people being preyed upon by this group in black Ham 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:52.960 announces that they are planning to build Hammer City, which 0:16:53.000 --> 0:17:00.920 is supposed to be this utopian settlement in the rockies. Um, 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:03.200 you look like you have something you want to say, Well, 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:07.639 I mean look there. It's a perfectly normal dream to 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:11.040 want to build a utopian settlement and the Rockies. There's 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.320 some downsides to that. One of them is that the 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:16.080 Rockies is actually a terrible place for a large number 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:20.160 of people to live. Um. And it this is why repeatedly, 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:22.719 I don't know, there's been a lot of utopian settlements 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:24.920 out in that part of the world, and they don't 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:28.479 tend to last very long or they turn into normal towns. 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:32.560 But it's it's it's always interesting when folks try, when 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:35.359 folks want to do a commune type situation, and then 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:37.480 they immediately go for a place like that, because like 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:39.479 the mountains is the hardest place to do it if 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:44.040 you want to have a self sufficient commune, like fucking Kansas, 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:48.120 you know, Arkansas, like somewhere where the soil is good 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.280 for growing stuff and you can get like a flat 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:52.920 track tract of land that can grow food as opposed 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:57.680 to high alpine elevations where very little is gone. Anyway, whatever, 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:06.479 this is compound talk, um. So yeah, there's there's If 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.520 there's one thing you take away from this episode, don't 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:11.959 build your compound in the Rockies. Don't build a compound 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:17.800 in the rockies. Look, Okay, that's all I got. Yeah, 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:19.840 that's a that's a message this podcast unless you have 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:23.680 the tenaceous unicorn ranch, which case go right ahead. But yeah, 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:25.720 and then you gotta think you know what they're doing, 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.600 which is raising alpaca as opposed to relying on like 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.359 growing crops, which makes a lot of sense. Yeah. I 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:33.800 didn't actually see any advanced I was just looking at 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:37.840 their at the Hammer City website. If they just told 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:41.320 they just say sustainable farming, I can't see advanced plans 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.600 for press went any they did raise a hundred and 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:48.679 twelve thousand dollars so yeah, according to their website, they 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:53.199 raised dred and twelve thousand dollars so far. Okay, yeah, educated, 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:57.600 that's more on this project. Yeah, really interested to know 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:02.119 how much money they actually raised. Um, maybe it was 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:04.560 that much. The point is we don't really know because 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:07.200 there's no there was no kind of an open record 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:11.800 keeping within this group. Um. And it was Cazo who 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:24.679 was in control of the money. So the group found 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:29.280 land to buy, and they actually began the process of 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:35.439 a land deal in early they and and this is 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:39.359 some information now coming from a fantastic Colorado Sun article 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:43.520 about the whole Hammer City thing um that I also 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:47.120 recommend if someone wants to read more in depth about this. So, 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:50.240 as the land deal was in the process of going through, 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:54.639 a portion of the group moved out there. So about 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:59.119 two dozen people. This was. This wasn't you know, it 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:03.040 was remote, but it was it on top of a mountain. 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:06.560 This was in a subdivision that had parcels for sale, 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:10.480 which leads to some problems. And this this is a 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:14.480 subdivision with the homeowners association and strict limits on land 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:17.119 use as well. So they didn't have water rights for 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:20.320 one thing, Yeah, exactly, they didn't have water rights to 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:25.520 land um which I have not started compound, but I 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.240 imagine water rice is something you want to have figured 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:30.240 out if you if you just want to live on 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:32.320 a plot of land in the middle of nowhere, it 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:35.720 can be fine. If you want to grow crops, then yeah, 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:40.480 having the ability to irrigate said crops is kind of important. Yeah. 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:46.080 So another thing at this time is black Hammer tends 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:48.359 to be a pretty heavily armed group. You know, the 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:51.560 group moved out to this land, they were camping out there, 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:54.760 basically squatting on the land that they did not own, 0:20:55.760 --> 0:21:00.160 and brought their you know, armed security along with them. UM. 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:03.879 And we're also like blocking road access for residents of 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:08.239 the subdivision. UM. So they they had neighbors, you know 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:13.159 and UM. At one point this leads to an altercation 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:18.560 with a neighbor UM with three armed Black Hammer members UM. 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:22.920 And a neighbor driving in his car who you know, 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:25.399 according to this Colorado Sun article, gets out with an 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:30.240 unloaded shotgun and there's a standoff. This could have been 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:32.760 one of those things that went really bad. It went 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:36.840 about as good as you can hope a situation like 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:42.439 that can go where um, nobody got killed. UM. But 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:46.280 while this was happening, the member of Black Hammer who 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:50.439 was responsible for the land deal I forgot to sign 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:54.359 or didn't sign the paperwork on time. UM. And after 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:59.320 information comes out about the standoff, the land deal completely 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:02.840 falls through. There is no Hammers Toby that is going 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:08.359 to be built. UM. And cadso was maintaining in Black 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:11.080 Hammer as a whole, is maintaining a superactive social media 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:15.640 presence at this time as well. So you know. One 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:17.080 of the other things that gets brought out is like 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:19.680 this video of them talking about, oh, we built this 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:22.720 bridge on our land, which is kind of a bunch 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:27.400 of two I force across the ditch. Yeah. Are they 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:32.679 planning to buy um in invent as like an organization 0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:36.239 or as cards? Are planning to by themselves? Just an 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:39.720 individual between know? They? This is actually something I did 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:45.200 some research on. UM. They did this fun thing. They 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:47.879 created a front group, a front organization to buy the 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:55.000 land nice which they called Hammerstone Industries Incorporated. Yeah, it's stealthy. 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:57.560 They one of the member, one of the prominent members, 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:02.080 was responsible for that. So power of Google. Yeah. I 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:05.080 also found their bitcoin what what we were talking? And 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:09.240 it has never had any donations and remains empty. Oh 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:14.119 my god. Yeah, that has it gone well? Ah? So 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:18.439 after this land deal falls through, hammer City is not 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:22.879 being built. A lot of people get really fucking piste. Also, 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:26.000 it sounds like they shot through the real estate sign 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:29.320 on their way out of the Stuff division. So on 0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:34.399 the seventeenth, when the group leaves hammer City. UM. So, 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:39.080 going back to what Robert mentioned earlier, UM, the group 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:42.639 took a very i'll say interesting approach when the COVID 0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:47.119 nineteen started UM, which is the belief that COVID nineteen 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:50.160 is real, that people should wear masks and be protected, 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:53.879 but that they should not take the vaccine, and that 0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:59.359 fought Fauci was a liar, which comes out a bit later. 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:02.200 So we're doing for example, there's a there's a news 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:06.080 article and with the video of them doing mutual aid 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:11.080 distribution of masks and food in Colorado. So lots of 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:15.040 people are really fucking pissed. UM. When Hammer City falls through, 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:21.040 there's also been you know, these allegations that have been 0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:23.680 coming up again and again. UM. And at this point, 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:29.800 several chapters break apart from Black Camera, UM, break away 0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:31.639 from Caso and kind of go off and do their 0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:36.520 own thing. UM. And Caso is left with this core 0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:41.760 group of members UM kind of true believers and says, 0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:45.960 fuck it, We're moving to Atlanta. So the group does 0:24:46.359 --> 0:24:51.080 a marathon drive from Colorado to the southern suburbs of 0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:53.959 Atlanta and outside of Atlantas where cause that grew up 0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:59.679 on the east side, UM, from the northeast. UM. And 0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:04.240 they they keep going. They rent a house where everyone 0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:08.200 lives together, another one of their Hammer houses. I believe 0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:11.480 that this time there is another active chapter that is 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:16.720 still connected with CADSO and the Carolinas as well. UM. 0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:21.399 But you know this is a when prophecy fails moment 0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:25.040 for Causo UM, and the people that are left behind 0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:29.920 are these true believers UM and conser doesn't take this well, 0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:33.360 It doesn't take the failure of this deal well, becomes 0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:36.280 even more paranoid than they already were, more controlling and 0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:40.880 more abusive than they already were. So there's the red 0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:45.600 Voice gets into some of the really wild allegations that 0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:50.640 come out at this time. Allegedly CAUSO has members sign 0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:55.200 over um control of the bank accounts to them at gunpoint, 0:25:55.800 --> 0:26:00.199 as people reveal personal information at gunpoint. And again these 0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:05.560 are allegations. I'm not saying GODSA did this, UM that 0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:09.600 we get some of these classic cult techniques coming out, 0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:14.520 forcing people to sit and listen to CASO kind of preach, 0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:20.560 having people constantly working, not getting enough to eat, um, 0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:25.480 having you know, love bombing where God where Caso makes 0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:27.560 you know, deep eye contract with the person, talks about 0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:30.040 how important they are, how much they love them, and 0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:36.320 the consumption of psychedelics as well. Cool, that's good. Yeah, yeah, 0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:39.680 you love to hear that. Um. Yeah, just a bunch 0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:44.679 of heavily armed people being cops for each other and 0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:48.720 drugging each other in support of I don't know. Charismatics 0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:51.480 seems like a weird word for Ghazi, but it must be, right, Like, 0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:54.880 clearly it works on some people. Yeah, I think they 0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:57.040 think they are charismatic, right, Like, I don't think it's 0:26:57.080 --> 0:27:00.159 necessarily they are to be good to be charismatic. But no, 0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:05.840 some people seem to be responding to their I don't know, 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:09.680 the way they present themselves. It's so I guess that's 0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:12.639 always the way with cults, right that, Like, to the outside, 0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:15.120 the cult leader is always an obvious cult leader, but 0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:19.400 everybody's got different things they're vulnerable to, and for some 0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:21.880 people that's well. And I also, I said, I think 0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:24.720