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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal. Call that for me. I'm

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Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 1: I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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Speaker 1: for day Edith State? Is that? Woo whoom? And Dan

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Speaker 1: and Tie? All right, Hello everyone. I'm Tie Hill de Grandt,

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Speaker 1: the author of Campus Quick Slance on SI on Campus

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Speaker 1: and joining me from the far end of the country.

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Speaker 1: What's welcome in, Dan Rubinstein, Dan, you are the SI

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Speaker 1: tour guy. Welcome to the the the solid verbal, that's

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Speaker 1: what we're calling this.

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Speaker 2: Now, that's what the working title is. Anyway, Yeah, welcome

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Speaker 2: to the podcast. It's great to be on the West coast,

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Speaker 1: It is very sort of okay to be here on

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Speaker 1: the East coast, but it is good to be on

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Speaker 1: the podcast with you. Dan. Of course, we've all admired

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Speaker 1: your work that you've done, and you've done a lot

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure how this is going to turn out.

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Speaker 1: Are we just kind of going to shoot from the

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Speaker 2: Absolutely no topic lists. Yeah, we hit We're very unprepared

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Speaker 1: Don't at all be mistaken.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely no topic list, Dan Rubinstein, those were our words

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Speaker 1: Was that that was our first show. That was our

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Speaker 1: very first show. Can I you sounded so good? You?

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Speaker 1: As if we have the listenership we have now, the

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Speaker 3: We can get into that here over the next hour plus,

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Speaker 1: Let's start. Let's start from the very top though. First

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Speaker 1: we're in the same room. Yes, we are in New

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Speaker 1: York recording this. This is the aforementioned history of Solidverbal,

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Speaker 1: the exhaustive naval gazing history of the show. We've had

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Speaker 3: We're going to link this up on like the main

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Speaker 3: be our tenth college football season doing the show Dan Yes,

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Speaker 3: which is incredible and kind of in the spirit of

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Speaker 1: extent of our shoot. And the big advantage that I

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Speaker 1: had was in two thousand and six Sports Illustrate. And

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Speaker 1: this is something I think we talked about in our

436
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Speaker 1: early emails. Sports Wilstraate was paying a woman. You might

437
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Speaker 1: remember her, you might not remember her name. Is Jen

438
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Speaker 1: Sturger to do something very similar but with like a

439
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Speaker 1: whole film crew, and I basically undercut her and said,

440
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Speaker 1: you're probably paying her thousands of dollars a week her

441
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Speaker 1: and her crew. I'll do this for way cheaper and

442
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Speaker 1: I'll be funnier. And so I did that, and they

443
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Speaker 1: responded really well to it, and so I became the

444
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Speaker 1: SI tour guy in two thousand and seven, the fall

445
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Speaker 1: of two thousand and seven. Meanwhile, between football seasons, I'm

446
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Speaker 1: like temping, I'm a secretary, I'm a you know, an

447
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Speaker 1: executiveever you can do try and make some money. I'm

448
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Speaker 1: picking up work along the way. I move in with

449
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Speaker 1: West Coast Kevin and a lion I fan Scott, guys

450
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Speaker 1: that have been sort of floating on the xterior of

451
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Speaker 1: the show forever, but nothing with podcasting at this point,

452
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Speaker 1: nothing at all with podcasting. But I had gotten it

453
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Speaker 1: in with Sports Illustrated through making my own video series

454
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Speaker 1: in my website and just hustling to try to get

455
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Speaker 1: it out there. And this is still like the very

456
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Speaker 1: early days, like Dead Spinning the Big Lead are the

457
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Speaker 1: only sports blog, or maybe DESBS is in its infancy,

458
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Speaker 1: but this is the very very beginning of like digital

459
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Speaker 1: sports and around the time of blogging.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is when blogging was big because that was

461
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Speaker 3: your path to get to Sports Illustrate, which is an

462
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Speaker 3: awesome story, right, incredible story. As I mentioned before, Around

463
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Speaker 3: the same time, I'm doing this Yankee show, and I

464
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Speaker 3: was affiliated with a local like Yankee Fan Club, and

465
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Speaker 3: we kind of use that as a way to get

466
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Speaker 3: in the door and interview some cool people like John Sterling.

467
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Speaker 3: You know it's commentator again. We're talking two thousand and five.

468
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Speaker 3: What's a podcast to get an interview like that? Talking

469
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Speaker 3: into a webcam, holding up a speaker phone to the webcam.

470
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Speaker 3: I mean, we're not talking high society when it comes

471
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Speaker 3: to equipment. But we still found a way to make

472
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Speaker 3: it happen, and so that was cool. We had a

473
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Speaker 3: little bit of a following. We still have people who

474
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Speaker 3: email us about it today. But around that time, when

475
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Speaker 3: blogs were becoming more of a thing, Fox Sports was

476
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Speaker 3: trying to launch its own sports blog community, and in

477
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Speaker 3: order to try and drum up a little bit of

478
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Speaker 3: interest in that, they ran something they call the Next

479
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Speaker 3: Great Sports Writer Competition. Yes, so I had always written

480
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Speaker 3: about sports, always written about sports. I could probably make

481
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Speaker 3: a pretty good case that I'm better at doing.

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Speaker 1: That is two thousand and five. This is two thousand

483
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Speaker 1: and five. Yeah, you're right.

484
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Speaker 3: I could make a case that I'm probably better at

485
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Speaker 3: the writing than I am at the spoken word thing.

486
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Speaker 3: But a friend of mine said, hey, you know, if

487
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Speaker 3: you're interested, there's this contest going on over at Fox

488
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Speaker 3: Sports called the Next Great Sports Writer. They're billing it

489
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Speaker 3: as the American Idol for sports writing. And all you

490
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Speaker 3: got to do is post a blog about whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: At this point, I'm working a fairly stable job in technology.

493
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Speaker 3: I like the people I will was the same job,

494
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Speaker 3: same job, the whole the whole way through the same

495
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Speaker 3: mysterious day job. It's always been the same company. And

496
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Speaker 3: so I entered and I won out of thousands of entries.

497
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Speaker 3: Lo and behold, somehow I end up winning this thing?

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Speaker 1: May I jump in real quick? I was one of

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Speaker 1: those thousands of entries. Really, you know this. You don't

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Speaker 1: know this. I don't know if I remember that. If

501
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Speaker 1: you go back and find the web cash or whatever

502
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Speaker 1: of the original Next Great American Sports Writer, yeah yeah,

503
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Speaker 1: you won it. I did. There was like, okay, everybody

504
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Speaker 1: enter it and then we're going to select a bunch

505
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Speaker 1: of finalists and then they're going to keep writing that's right,

506
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Speaker 1: and then we are going to figure out I don't

507
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Speaker 1: know if there were two finalists and then you won,

508
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Speaker 1: whatever it was. I did not make the finalists, but

509
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Speaker 1: I got an honorable mention. I really almost a finalist,

510
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Speaker 1: no kid, because I remember like bitching and moaning about

511
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Speaker 1: Lee Corso saying bad things about Oregon in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and five.

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Speaker 3: It was It was one of the more stressful experiences

514
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Speaker 3: of my life. But in a weird way, it kind

515
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Speaker 3: of let us down this path. Yeah, I win this,

516
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Speaker 3: and in winning it, not only are you exposed to

517
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Speaker 3: like the negative commentary and all the stuff that we

518
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Speaker 3: have to deal with now talking about college football as

519
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Speaker 3: regularly as we do, but you also have to learn

520
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Speaker 3: what it's like to be on deadline. You have to

521
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Speaker 3: learn what it's like to work try and you know,

522
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Speaker 3: adhere to a work out, adhere to a format, a topic,

523
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Speaker 3: whatever your editor is asking you to do. So it

524
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 3: was a good learning experience through winning that I ended

525
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Speaker 3: up getting a contract to write like twenty five articles

526
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Speaker 3: for Fox Sports.

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Speaker 1: It's great, which is cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and around the time I got to maybe article

529
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Speaker 3: twenty two, Fox Sports at the time had chosen to

530
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Speaker 3: go a different direction with its managing editor, and I

531
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Speaker 3: distinctly remember a phone call I had with the managing

532
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Speaker 3: editor where it was very clear the man did not

533
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Speaker 3: take me seriously because I'd want a contest in order

534
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Speaker 3: to get my writing contract. I knew the writing was

535
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Speaker 3: on the wall at that point that after I wrote

536
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Speaker 3: my twenty five there was a pretty good chance there

537
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Speaker 3: wasn't gonna be another twenty five.

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Speaker 1: But I enjoyed doing it. Foxsports dot Com making dubious

539
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Speaker 1: decisions as far back as two thousand and five, Ladies

540
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Speaker 1: a gentleman.

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Speaker 3: I knew at that point that if I wanted to

542
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Speaker 3: keep doing it, I needed to send clips out to people. Yeah,

543
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Speaker 3: and it was I think either through Jimmy, Treana God

544
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Speaker 3: Bless or any great Yeah, one of those two guys

545
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Speaker 3: over at SI that I got hooked up with SI

546
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Speaker 3: on campus and started writing Campus Quickslants, which if you

547
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Speaker 3: heard the intro, our first intro, when I mentioned campus Quickslants,

548
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Speaker 3: that was the title of my thing.

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Speaker 1: Did you come up with that name? I did? Good

550
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Speaker 1: for you? Two thousand and six. So this is early

551
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Speaker 1: two thousand and six. This is you don't know when.

552
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Speaker 1: This is in two thousand and sex.

553
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Speaker 3: Probably later on in this is around two thousand and seven.

554
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Speaker 3: So I had written Fox Sports in two thousand and

555
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Speaker 3: six after I won the contest, and then in two

556
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Speaker 3: thousand and seven I started looking elsewhere and landed with

557
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Speaker 3: Sports Illustrated. Two thousand and seven was also the same

558
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Speaker 3: time when I found you. Yes, all right, this is

559
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 3: kind of how our paths start to cross a little bit.

560
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Speaker 3: I found your videos, and on one date in particular,

561
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Speaker 3: it was this.

562
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Speaker 1: Is week two.

563
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Speaker 3: I believe Week two was September nineteenth, so week two,

564
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Speaker 3: week three, two thousand and seven, you did a video

565
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Speaker 3: up in State College, and I just happened to be

566
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Speaker 3: at work browsing the internet as your wont to do

567
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Speaker 3: when you're.

568
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Speaker 1: On your kill some time, Yeah, on sign campus.

569
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Speaker 3: And I saw that you had been up there. I

570
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Speaker 3: had been up there too. I hadn't seen you, but

571
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Speaker 3: I liked what you did. And so here is the

572
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Speaker 3: text of the email that I wrote you saw earlier.

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Speaker 3: This is our first correspondence. Hey Dan, I'm tie Hilldebrandt,

574
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Speaker 3: the author of Campus Quick slants every Wednesday for SI

575
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: on campus. I just wanted to let you know and

576
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 3: shoot you a line to commend you want a job

577
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 3: well done. Yes, I've really enjoyed your videos thus far,

578
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 3: especially the Penn State once since I graduated from there.

579
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Speaker 1: A few years ago.

580
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Speaker 3: I was in town for the game writing about Paternalville

581
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Speaker 3: two bad we doing cross paths. I could have steered

582
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Speaker 3: you in the direction of one of the more over

583
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Speaker 3: the top tailgates you'll ever see. I'm sure everyone says that, Yeah,

584
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Speaker 3: that was my in. And I said, anyway, keep up

585
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Speaker 3: the good work. Where you headed next?

586
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Speaker 1: Right? And I responded to it. I was so famous

587
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Speaker 1: that I didn't need to respond to it. Of course, No,

588
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Speaker 1: I remember this. I remember this correspondence and Penn State

589
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 1: was great. The first week of that year, I think

590
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: was Georgia, which was tricky. I really liked doing this

591
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: for SI. It was just the first time outside of

592
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: the West Coast I traveled across country. My shooter was

593
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: not that great, but I brought a friend of mine, Casey,

594
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: from college, who knew what he was doing a little

595
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Speaker 1: bit and had a great time. It was crazy. It

596
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Speaker 1: was the first really crazy tailgate I had been to,

597
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Speaker 1: and there was a woman who was probably eighty seven

598
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Speaker 1: years old, and I asked her what she hoped Penn

599
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Speaker 1: State did to Notre Dame, and she was like, beats

600
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: the shit out of him. And that's in my reel.

601
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Speaker 1: That's like one of the first clips in my reel

602
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: because she was so great. So I had it. It

603
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: was a lot of loud, sort of Jersey trash types

604
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Speaker 1: at Penn State, which shouldn't shock anybody who's been to

605
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: a Penn State tailgate at that game. It's accurate. No,

606
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: it's fine, it's accurate. Listen, I'm la trash. We're all

607
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Speaker 1: trash in our own way. Anyway. So I got this

608
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Speaker 1: email from Tye and in looking back at the correspondence

609
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Speaker 1: that I'm we must have both been either very lonely

610
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Speaker 1: there must. I don't know what it was, but like

611
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Speaker 1: you would email me every week, and I would email

612
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 1: like you would email me after videos, being like, oh man,

613
00:28:58,800 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: Colorado looks great.

614
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Speaker 3: In my emails for anyone who's emailed with me are

615
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Speaker 3: not short, No, I'm not. I'm not succinct when it

616
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Speaker 3: comes to email. I will write you a book, and

617
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Speaker 3: I think in a lot of cases I did.

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Speaker 1: But it was it was always thoughtful, like you would

619
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Speaker 1: watch the videos and you were like, was it as

620
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Speaker 1: pretty in Colorado as it looked like? It was just like, Wow,

621
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Speaker 1: he really likes these videos, but he's also he's not

622
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: like the strangest person. He's also writing for this website.

623
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Speaker 1: And I really liked you. You incorporated a lot of

624
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Speaker 1: pop culture stuff into your campus quick slance wrestling references,

625
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and I liked your column a lot.

626
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: So it was just sort of a mutual admiration. This

627
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: also all feels like when you're at a wedding rehearsal

628
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 1: dinner when they show like the slideshow of the you know,

629
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Speaker 1: the each the spouse is growing up and then coming together.

630
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Speaker 1: But no, it was just it was genuine like we

631
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: were pen pals, which sounds strange to say right now,

632
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: but like we worked the same company and we were

633
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: both covering the same sport. And at a certain point

634
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, I guess because I had

635
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: re upped with Sports Illustrated to do videos about not

636
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: just college football but all college sports, and so I

637
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: was at Shryzhevsky Ville at Duke, I was at the

638
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: National Collegiate Competitive Eating Contest and there's emails after each

639
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: one of these events that you sent me asking me

640
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: questions about like how many fries did you eat like

641
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: at these things.

642
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 3: So, and I will say this for anyone out there

643
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Speaker 3: who listens and you work in corporate America, you must

644
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Speaker 3: have been very bored.

645
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: I was not.

646
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Speaker 3: In the most responsible positions at that time. You know,

647
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Speaker 3: the people I work with are great and the company

648
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: that I work for is great, but in that particular role, yeah,

649
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 3: having someone to email about sports.

650
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Speaker 1: Well, there's no Twitter, so there's no way to entertain

651
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Speaker 1: yourself with like seeing what's going on in the world

652
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Speaker 1: in real time like we have now. We can waste

653
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Speaker 1: our time on Twitter, on Instagram, whatever. There wasn't that.

654
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Speaker 1: There was you go on dead Spin and argue about

655
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Speaker 1: burritos in the comments of an NCAA football video game

656
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Speaker 1: post or something like that. But beyond that, there was

657
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Speaker 1: no real time nothing there, right, So, as you said,

658
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Speaker 1: I would, I would email you after the videos. I

659
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Speaker 1: would watch all the videos.

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Speaker 3: I think in a digital sense, we turned into pretty

661
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Speaker 3: fast friends because you would email me after my columns

662
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Speaker 3: and vice versa, and we started spinning our wheels. And

663
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Speaker 3: I don't know the point at which it clicked for

664
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Speaker 3: both of us. But I'm pretty sure.

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Speaker 1: It was you. I looked at the email today, I'm.

666
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Speaker 3: Pretty sure it was you who initially said, you know,

667
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Speaker 3: I've been thinking about starting a podcast. Do you know

668
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Speaker 3: anything about there? Might you be interested?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

670
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Speaker 3: And it was at that point that I jumped all

671
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Speaker 3: over it and I said, I happen to know a

672
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Speaker 3: lot about it because I've been doing this now for

673
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Speaker 3: a couple of years. And at that point in time,

674
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Speaker 3: things were shifting from trying to live stream through a

675
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: U stream or real player, real player you could do

676
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Speaker 3: it through.

677
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Speaker 1: It was the other one other than you. It was

678
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Speaker 1: you stream live stream. Yeah, there there were a whole

679
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Speaker 1: variety of them. I had had a server somewhere up

680
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: here in New York City that I paid thirty five

681
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: dollars a month for and it was a dedicated stream

682
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: for my show. Things were shifting from that realm more

683
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: of in, more of the on demand thing, and we

684
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Speaker 1: kind of got in on the ground floor of that,

685
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Speaker 1: and I said, yeah, let's do it. We could do it,

686
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Speaker 1: so I believe, if memory serves. We started brainstorming names,

687
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Speaker 1: and we did a pilot recording which I dug for

688
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Speaker 1: and couldn't you find I have to go back and

689
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Speaker 1: look as I know why I have it.

690
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that was June twenty third, two thousand and eight,

691
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Speaker 3: the pilot, the pilot, and around that time here are

692
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Speaker 3: some of the names that we were trying to workshop.

693
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Speaker 3: The Irrefutable Audio Evidence or Irrefutable Evidence podcast.

694
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Speaker 1: I can't even say it.

695
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: The Red Shirts, which I got a bad mind, The

696
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Speaker 3: walk On Program, which I like that it I still

697
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Speaker 3: like it. I believe there's a basketball show called the

698
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Speaker 3: walk Ons.

699
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Speaker 1: Right, but not walk On Program because the program is

700
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Speaker 1: the double word there. The Shady Booster Program. I'm okay

701
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: with that too, Shady Boosters. I like this.

702
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: And we had another booster club in there, Yeah, another

703
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: Booster club in there. So we kicked it around a

704
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Speaker 3: little bit more after our pilot, and eventually the solid

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Speaker 3: Verbal was born on August eleventh, Yes, two thousand and.

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Speaker 1: We came up with it.

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Speaker 3: You did, of course, quote maybe something with the word

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Speaker 3: verbal in it. Oh, the solid verbal, Yes, something like that.

709
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Speaker 3: Even if we're no good at doing your college football podcast,

710
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: we'll go down with a damn clever name.

711
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Speaker 1: It's true, stand by it.

712
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Speaker 3: Solid Verbal was born August eleventh, two thousand and eight.

713
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Speaker 3: Our first show was August twenty seventh, two thousand and eight,

714
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Speaker 3: the intro for which you heard at the top of

715
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Speaker 3: our show. And so the question is where did it

716
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Speaker 3: go from there? Two thousand and eight. As you heard,

717
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Speaker 3: we didn't really know.

718
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Speaker 1: We didn't have a plan for this. We didn't know

719
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Speaker 1: what we were going to do.

720
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Speaker 3: I think we knew that the nature of the medium

721
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Speaker 3: was such that you needed to keep doing it on

722
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Speaker 3: a regular basis if you wanted to maintain and grow

723
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Speaker 3: an audience. We estimate we had about eleven listeners for

724
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Speaker 3: a good six to eight weeks. No idea how the

725
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Speaker 3: original eleven. If you've been with us for a long time,

726
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Speaker 3: you know that we've referenced the original eleven for quite

727
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Speaker 3: some time. But it really was a slow burn in

728
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Speaker 3: the beginning, a good six to eight weeks, we figured

729
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Speaker 3: about eleven listeners and at even subscribers.

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Speaker 1: We knew eleven. We didn't know how many listeners eleven

731
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Speaker 1: eleven subscribers, that's correct.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't until we started bringing on guys like Andy

733
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Speaker 3: Gray from Sion Campus, Jimmy trena s Ion Campus. Our

734
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 3: only connection to like the outside sports media world. It

735
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Speaker 3: wasn't until we started bringing those guys on that we

736
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Speaker 3: were able very slowly to grow or follow h.

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Speaker 1: And this was also we started the year Twitter started

738
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Speaker 1: basically like two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight

739
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Speaker 1: we started. I was on the road every weekend, so

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Speaker 1: I was going to I was traveling on Fridays, and

741
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Speaker 1: I think that's when we did our some of our Thursdays.

742
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, whatever it was, I would do

743
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Speaker 1: shows from an airport gate. I would call you and

744
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: you had You're gonna have to tell me what it was.

745
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Speaker 1: It's fine now. I think the statute of limitations is up.

746
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Speaker 1: You had a shadily attained switcher of some kind a

747
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: call switcher that you can't buy in stores. It's a

748
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 1: it's an industrial product for radio stations.

749
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Speaker 3: I bought some sort of phone coupler on eBay that,

750
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Speaker 3: per my understanding, was illegal for.

751
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Speaker 1: Private use, for private use the manner in which I

752
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: could wire tap with it. Yeah. Yeah, So that's what

753
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: we used for Colin interviews, and it worked. It served

754
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Speaker 1: the purpose for a while.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, we've got a lot better equipment now, but we

756
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Speaker 3: use that for a long time to make this thing

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Speaker 3: go on that was a airport gate or in the

758
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Speaker 3: car wherever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we had guests call in and we had

760
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Speaker 1: you know, there were sports writers that we would meet

761
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: on the road or whatever at this point, or I

762
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: would meet and they'd ask like, how do you put

763
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Speaker 1: calls on? How do you do that? And I was like,

764
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: Ty has a thing. Yeah, don't don't.

765
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Speaker 3: You don't want to know how, don't ask too many questions.

766
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 3: You want to know how we're doing this. But for

767
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 3: a good chunk of time, really, for the first like

768
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Speaker 3: two to three years, yeah, we were using that device.

769
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Speaker 3: We were using that device. We kept going through two

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Speaker 3: thousand and eight, Yeah, very slowly, and we picked up

771
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Speaker 3: a following. We tried to get to forty. That was

772
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Speaker 3: like our big pie in the sky goal. We tried

773
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Speaker 3: to get to forty subscribers, and we said, if we

774
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Speaker 3: can get to forty, if all eleven of you can

775
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 3: convince three to four of your friends to subscribe and

776
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: listen to this show, I promise you, Ty and I

777
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 3: will videotape ourselves. Relax, relax well, videotape ourselves running forty

778
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 3: our dashes, doing various physical challenges, throwing a football as

779
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 3: far as we can punting a football, as far as

780
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: we can in just the spirit of competition, if we

781
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Speaker 3: can get to forty, and we got to forty. We

782
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 3: got to forty. The videos are still out on YouTube. Yeah,

783
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 3: and God's honest truth. My cousin will back me up

784
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: because the videotape me running the forty we couldn't get

785
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Speaker 3: a good framing of me running it all right, So

786
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Speaker 3: I got like the fastest time marked down on a

787
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Speaker 3: piece of paper, and then I think you combine that

788
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Speaker 3: with the best footage that we could find. Yeah, but

789
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Speaker 3: I went over to and this is horrible, but you

790
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: know how in a park they have like those memorial

791
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 3: trees planted. Yeah, I ran the forty yard dash so

792
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: many times that I ran over to one of those

793
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Speaker 3: memorial trees and puked all over it.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, okay, that's dedication. It was dedication. This was

795
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Speaker 1: We're just losing nothing but money at this point. Nothing.

796
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Speaker 1: I mean, if time is money, we're just giving all

797
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: of our time after work on whatever day we're edit,

798
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: we're doing the show. We're recording the show, ties editing

799
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: the show, we're putting it up. What were you editing

800
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: the show on at this point. I think at the

801
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: time we were using a freeware product called gold Wave. Okay,

802
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: we had a PC. Yeah, back then gold Wave was

803
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 1: what I knew best. And this is once a week,

804
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: once a week, we're doing shows once a week during

805
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: the season. They would be preview shows, but I guess

806
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: at the beginning we would recap or whatever. Yeah, so

807
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: they we'd recap in preview and then the season ended.

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about two thousand and nine, the very

809
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Speaker 1: beginning of two thousand and nine, and the season ended,

810
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: and do we stay with the show in the off

811
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Speaker 1: season or do we say i'll see in August? What

812
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Speaker 1: do we do?

813
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 3: We were very on the fence about it, Yeah, because

814
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 3: the big problem we had and it's not as much

815
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: of a problem anymore, but it's still something that we

816
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 3: have to think about. What are you going to talk

817
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 3: about in the off season? Yeah, what are you going

818
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 3: to talk about? Even back then, college football didn't have

819
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 3: as vibrant of an off season as I think it

820
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 3: does now. There's just more money involved now, so there's

821
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 3: more of an interest. But back then, we were really

822
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 3: worried that we weren't going to have enough content. But

823
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Speaker 3: we decided we were going to give it a go.

824
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Speaker 3: We're going to give it a go. And actually, for

825
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 3: a chunk of time, even in the nine off season,

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Speaker 3: we were doing two shows a week. Yes, we were

827
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Speaker 3: doing two shows a week to try and just produce

828
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Speaker 3: more content, get more people hooked. Certainly through the season

829
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Speaker 3: we did two shows a week like we do now.

830
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 3: It wasn't until twenty ten that we decided, all right,

831
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Speaker 3: we'll do two a week during the season, one a

832
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Speaker 3: week in the off season because that's a little bit

833
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 3: more sustainable. But that end of eight beginning of nine

834
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Speaker 3: timeframe was really when we started connecting the connecting dots.

835
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 3: We could see that numbers were going up on our

836
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: FeedBurner subscription carets. We were able to track downloads to

837
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Speaker 3: the best of our ability. At that point in time,

838
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 3: we could see that there was a steady drumbeat of

839
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 3: people becoming more interested. And of note, was around that

840
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Speaker 3: time iPhones became a thing.

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00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: Yes, iPhones were two thousand and six, two thousand and seven,

842
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: but they really sort of launched in popularity in the

843
00:39:58,840 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: next couple of years.

844
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Speaker 3: The iPhone three G came out, without a doubt that

845
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 3: had an impact. Now, it wasn't until years later that

846
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: they actually had an app for it that was native

847
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 3: on most iPhones. But it was around that time when

848
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 3: people who had any kind of smartphone for that matter

849
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 3: started figuring out, oh, we we can download it on

850
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: our computer and upload it either to our iPod or.

851
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Speaker 1: To sink it up.

852
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we can listen on the go. And that's

853
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 3: how this whole podcast thing got its initial burst. It

854
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 3: was from smart devices.

855
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it totally got the iPod. It was from smartphones. Yes,

856
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: it was definitely from smartphones. And the way that we

857
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: sort of split up the responsibilities is you handled a

858
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Speaker 1: lot of the technical aspects. So I sounded like shit,

859
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Speaker 1: like I had like a Logitech, a really crappy one.

860
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: And to anybody that it's writing in the least important thing.

861
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Speaker 1: When you're first starting out as the equipment, get something

862
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: that makes you sound okay. You know, don't spend more

863
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: than like fifty bucks or one hundred bucks or whatever,

864
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Speaker 1: get into rhythm, but you should sound good eventually. So

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Speaker 1: I didn't sound great, but slowly I I got a

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Speaker 1: better and better microphone. But you handled all of the

867
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Speaker 1: back end stuff because that was your specialty, and what

868
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: I was okay at because I was on the road

869
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't need sports writers at games and stuff

870
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: like that. Is I would send out so many emails

871
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: to sports writers. I would say, Hey, would you come

872
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 1: on our college football podcast? We've had on Bruce Felman

873
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: and Andy Staples and Jimmy Trayina and pretty much everybody would

874
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: come on. We really got a ton of people to

875
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: come on. And at that point, also you have Twitter,

876
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: so we said, you know, hey, we're going to tweet

877
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: out the show. Would you mind like tweeting out the

878
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: fact that you were on the show. And they were

879
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: said sure, whatever, and we would start going on their

880
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: podcasts and radio shows or whatever the case may be.

881
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: I remember in two thousand and eight I shot I

882
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: think it was two thousand and eight. I shot at

883
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: Ohio State and Stu Mandel, who is, you know, my

884
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: coworker technically at that time, even though I live in

885
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: LA and he lives in New York whatever, but I

886
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: remember him emailing me. He was like, Oh, I'm gonna

887
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: be at this game too, would love to say HI,

888
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 1: would love to see how you shoot. I was like, stupid,

889
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: I want to see how I shoot. So it was

890
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: one of those things were like I felt like I

891
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: was in this rhythm of Sports Illustrated and he really

892
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: liked the solid verbal and it was very cool to

893
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: see that, like we were becoming a thing in this

894
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: nerdy universe of college football writers because we had a

895
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: lot of them on the show. We've had Dan Wetzel

896
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: on the show forever. We've had Stumandel and Andy Staples

897
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: and Bruce Feldman, and they've been on the show for

898
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's twenty seventeen, so they've been on going

899
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: on eight nine years. And so we're getting this following

900
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: of people and we've gone away from this somewhat is

901
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: we've had, you know, like if we've had a Clemson

902
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: writer and we'll have Brian Cook on from m GO blog.

903
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: We were it was so specific to that school, but

904
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: that's the way we got people fans from those schools interested.

905
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: And that's an important point because we got to forty,

906
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 3: we got to one hundred, and we could tell from

907
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: the traffic to our website, soliverbal dot com. We could

908
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: tell where people were coming from. Yeah, and you were

909
00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: in California at the time. I was in Pennsylvania. Could

910
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: see that most of the traffic was from our two states,

911
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 3: and so the only logical conclusion is that it was

912
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: you and I right. It was at that point that

913
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 3: I said to you, we can light some of these

914
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 3: states up if we bring on a guy from Texas,

915
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 3: if we bring on Brian from someone from Clemson, so

916
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: on and so forth, and so very systematically. I'm not

917
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: going to say we had a master plan, but that

918
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 3: was the general theme. We tried to bring people on

919
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 3: from different bigger programs, Notre Dame, and see if we

920
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 3: can turn Some of it was Google analytics that we're

921
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 3: still using Google Analytics, but it could show you a

922
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: light green or a dark green depending on how much

923
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 3: traffic you had from a particular state. And so, oh,

924
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 3: we want to light up Georgia. Let's bring on someone

925
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: from a Georgia blog. And so we kept doing that,

926
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: and throughout the course of an off season, you bring

927
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 3: on enough people, you hit enough of the big programs,

928
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: you see most of those states, especially in the southeastern

929
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 3: part of the country, start to turn a little darker

930
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 3: shade of green. And again we're talking very incremental here,

931
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 3: probably not at a thousand listeners by the end of

932
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 3: two thousand and nine, no, but we could see again

933
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 3: that we had an upward traject print.

934
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I will also jump in here with something

935
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: to remember. Ty and I have never met in person

936
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: at this point. He is living in eastern Pennsylvania and Allentown.

937
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: I am living in LA and it's studio city, still

938
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: living with a couple friends. Maybe at one point I

939
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: started living alone when Swartz Illustrated paid me a living wage.

940
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: But we had never met. This is two thousand and nine.

941
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: We've been doing the show for at least a year,

942
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: a couple times a week, and sometimes it would be weird.

943
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 1: It was we had listeners. Sometimes we get an email

944
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: from somebody like Mike Knoebler, who was one of our

945
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: first eleven listeners who more on him in a second

946
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: Well on him was one of the He was the

947
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: head of video at the University of Nebraska, their football program.

948
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: And so we still never met. We still had no

949
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: concept for each other in person. And you know, it's

950
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: just something we're doing bi coostally. Yeah. Yeah, it was

951
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: the kind of thing that no one I knew could relate.

952
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: Do you have a girlfriend in this time? Not at

953
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: that time? Okay I did, Yes, I did not at

954
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: that time. Yeah, but it you know.

955
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 3: You try to communicate this to your friends, like I'm

956
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 3: giving this on like a Wednesday night we've jumped around,

957
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 3: or what nights we record, but nobody could really understand it.

958
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 3: The only thing I could really attribute it to is

959
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: that we're just wired in such a way that this

960
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: is totally acceptable. Yeah, and for a lot of people

961
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 3: it isn't. But for you and I, we just that's

962
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 3: one of the common threads. And it's an isolating thing too.

963
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 3: People don't understand.

964
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: You know, you listen to podcasts of people that are

965
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: doing it forever and they're in the same room constantly.

966
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: They're shooting video together, they're doing audio stuff together. This

967
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: is a brand new thing for us, at least I

968
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: don't know how other people at that time were doing things,

969
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: but like, it was extremely isolating. I would go into

970
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: my room and talk to a stranger for an hour

971
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: and a half two nights a week. It was a

972
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: different experience. It was it felt kind of natural. It

973
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: was a leap of faith. We got to know each

974
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: other very well, but it was weird when we met

975
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: for the first team, it definitely was.

976
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 3: It was weird for the first time. So turning the

977
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 3: calendar now to twenty ten and one of my favorite moments.

978
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 3: I won't play the clip, but we had we had.

979
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 3: This is probably one of my top five favorite moments.

980
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 3: We started doing the show, we started interviewing coaches. Yes,

981
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 3: first coach we ever interviewed was Jimbo Fisher right as

982
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 3: he got the Florida State job and was super nice.

983
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure he still is super He was officially the

984
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: first I know. It was Al Golden too around that

985
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: Al gold was around the same time. I remember we

986
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: talked to his secretary for like a half hour because

987
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: she was running late. She sent me a thank you note.

988
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 3: I mean just super nice people at Temple. Everybody that

989
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 3: we dealt with was was genuinely nice, but Jimbo couldn't

990
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: have been friendlier. He was our first coach interview. I

991
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 3: remember I was nervous, what am I gonna say Jimbo Fisher? Like,

992
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 3: I don't even know who is Jimbo Fisher. I didn't

993
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 3: even know who he was the time, but he was

994
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 3: kind enough to come on our show and at.

995
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: The time a man who completely destroyed Notre Dame. That's right,

996
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for that anecdote. JaMarcus Russell, we

997
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: interviewed houston nutt yeah, And one of the funnier early

998
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: moments of the show is we caught houston Nut on

999
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: the toilet. Yeah. We didn't realize this till after the fact.

1000
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: I don't know he's coach.

1001
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 3: Elliott, a friend of mine, noticed that houston Nut was

1002
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 3: very clearly on the toilet because beginning part of the interview,

1003
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 3: there is a very distinct echo. While you were asking

1004
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 3: a question, you could hear very loudly a toilet flush,

1005
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 3: like a jet engine toy.

1006
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: His voice was very hollow, it was echoe yeah, and.

1007
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: Then you hear a door close, and then by the

1008
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 3: time you get done asking your question, he's in like

1009
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 3: a perfectly insulated sound studio. And so upon further review,

1010
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 3: you could tell that he is clearly indisposed when he's yes.

1011
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 3: Doing the initial interview, it was March twenty fourth, twenty ten.

1012
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 3: If you want to go back and listen to that.

1013
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, by the way, just before you

1014
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: go on, how we booked coaches when we were just

1015
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: an anonymous podcast, because we were not on any platform

1016
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: at this point. I had the Football Writers Association of

1017
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: America like black Book, which has the contact information of

1018
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: everybody in college football because I was in the Writers'

1019
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: Association and I went through and I emailed one hundred

1020
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: and twenty five sids and I said, Hi, my name

1021
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: is Dan. I do a podcast, and Ty and I

1022
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: were we work at Sports Illustrator. We used to work

1023
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: at Sports Illustrated at this point. But we have the

1024
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: show and we'd love to have the coach on for

1025
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: twenty three minutes to talk about the Tigers or the

1026
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: you know whoever, the buck Eyes, and I think we booked, Yeah,

1027
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, four or five or something like that

1028
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: out of like one hundred and twenty. But that's pretty

1029
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 1: good because as soon as you book four or five,

1030
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: you can say we've had on head, had Jimbo Fisher on. Yeh,

1031
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: We've had Jimbo Fisher on. We've had Kyle Whittingham on whoever.

1032
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: And so that was that was a pretty good hit rate,

1033
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: the fact that we got those four or five guys,

1034
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: and I mean we had I have I might still

1035
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: have a message that Bill Stuart left me. He called

1036
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: my cell phone instead of your instead of the studio

1037
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: number when we had him on. May he rest in peace.

1038
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: But we had on head coaches and at this time.

1039
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: I then we can go back to where you are professionally.

1040
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: So this is two thousand and nine, twenty ten. I

1041
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: was writing a little bit in two thousand and nine

1042
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: for Sports Illustrated. Because they rolled back their video, I

1043
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: was offered a shift in video. I was doing the

1044
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: tour Guide show for Sports Illustrated and then they said

1045
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: good news, bad news, and I said, okay, cool, weird

1046
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: but cool. So the good news is we sold the

1047
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 1: college Football Travel show to Nissan for their Heisman campaign.

1048
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, that seems like a very good thing.

1049
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: And I was like, what's the bad news. The bad

1050
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 1: news is they don't really want you to like joke

1051
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: around with tailgaters and like eat food and drink beer.

1052
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: They just want you to interview a older Heisman winner.

1053
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 1: And I said, no, I'm not doing that. That's compromising

1054
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: my creative freedom. George Costanza, your artistic totally. What happened? Yeah,

1055
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: And they said are you sure? And I have this

1056
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 1: dream job traveling going to college football games as my job,

1057
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: and they want to keep paying me to do that,

1058
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,919
Speaker 1: but with a wrinkle, and I said, I turned them down.

1059
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: And I said, no, that's not what I want to

1060
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: do creatively, and so they gave it the job to

1061
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 1: somebody else and I just sort of wrote, and then

1062
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: they stopped asking me to write. Check stop coming. The

1063
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: check stopped coming. And this was two thousand and nine,

1064
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: so the economy's not great. They're not doing any video

1065
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 1: basically anymore. It was just like Swimsuit at this point,

1066
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 1: and I stood up from my artistic integrity. I started

1067
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: a new video series. I set up a green screen

1068
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: in my apartment and I did a recap show called

1069
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: The Postgame Tailgates. Yeah, and there were some goofs, so

1070
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: I looked real crazy and weird back then, or at

1071
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: least crazier, but it was a green screen show. I

1072
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: was trying to be like The Soup but for college football.

1073
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: And it was fine. Some episodes are funnier than others,

1074
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: but I constantly had to be making so I'm doing

1075
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: the solid verbal. I'm not on the road anymore. I'm

1076
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: just recapping games. I'm wearing like an old corduroy blazer

1077
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: and standing in of this green screen and like I'm

1078
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: doing motion graphics behind me. It's very strange and cheap looking,

1079
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: but that's what I did. And sports Oustralia would post

1080
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: it every so often, and they liked the show, but

1081
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: they didn't pay me to do it. A good deal

1082
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: for them, by the way, a great deal for them,

1083
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: A great deal. They would just post it on their

1084
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: like campus or hot Clicks, Jimmy Train or whatever. And

1085
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: that was fine because it got me a lot of

1086
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: attention for that too. But We're doing the show, We're

1087
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: having coaches on, but I'm not making any money. So

1088
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: I'm like back to temping. I'm like picking up I

1089
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: picked up catering jobs. But like, this is totally true. Scott,

1090
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 1: my really good friend Scott. His parents own this successful

1091
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,720
Speaker 1: barbecue restaurant in La and I would go work catering

1092
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: jobs because they would pay me one hundred bucks for

1093
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: doing two hours worth of work, and that seemed fine.

1094
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: Got to my bed broke at a certain point, like

1095
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: the slats in my cheap ikea bed, like it just broke,

1096
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: the thing that goes down the middle of the bed.

1097
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: It broke, and I was like, I'm not buying another bed,

1098
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: so I slept on a mattress on the ground inside

1099
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: of the frame bed. I mean, listen, people were way

1100
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: worse off than me. I recognize how fortunate and privileged

1101
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: I am to be like, that's the worst problem I had,

1102
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: But like I wasn't you know, I was not living

1103
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: any sort of comfortable life at this.

1104
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 3: Day, and we weren't making any money on the show,

1105
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 3: on the show podcast advertising. It hadn't even been conceived

1106
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 3: at that point in twenty ten, and kind of along

1107
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 3: the lines of what you said with SI on Campus,

1108
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 3: I wasn't writing at this point either. I wasn't writing

1109
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:29,919
Speaker 3: at this point either.

1110
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: But had you had a secure day job, I had

1111
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: a secure day job.

1112
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 3: I was not reliant upon it like you might have

1113
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 3: been in the video realm for any kind of steady income.

1114
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,479
Speaker 3: But the writing thing had ceased because they had, I think,

1115
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 3: pretty much closed up shop on SI on Campus at

1116
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 3: some point, and so for me, the primary creative outlet

1117
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 3: was truly the solidverbal yea, at that point, I wasn't writing.

1118
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 3: I was doing a little bit of blogging here and there,

1119
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 3: but I really turned all of my attention creatively to

1120
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 3: doing our show. And it was also at this point

1121
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 3: that you and I recognized that it was continuing to

1122
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,919
Speaker 3: grow a very very fast clip and we still hadn't met.

1123
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 3: We still hadn't met so by virtue of our friend

1124
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 3: Mike Nobler, who was the video director at University of

1125
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 3: Nebraska for then who Bo Polini. He said, why don't

1126
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 3: you guys come out to the Nebraska Texas game. We'll

1127
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 3: make sure that you get in the door. We'll give

1128
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 3: you a tour of the press box, give you two

1129
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 3: of a tour of all the video operations up here,

1130
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 3: and it'll give you guys an opportunity to meet We

1131
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 3: called verbicon verbicon.

1132
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: There have been many.

1133
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 3: Alternate spellings created for verbicon. This is one of the

1134
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 3: things I'm very anal about that I've never said to you.

1135
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 3: I prefer the v erba capital con so like comic con,

1136
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 3: but verba con not verb not verb e verb uh

1137
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 3: con was always my preferred spelling.

1138
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: See, I've always interpreted as the Spish pronunciation vera bak on,

1139
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: vera back on.

1140
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 3: I've been under the impression for all the year said

1141
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 3: we're a very cultural show. But we did get that

1142
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 3: behind the scenes tour of uh acilities. Uh you had

1143
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 3: your first trip to five guys, which I booked on

1144
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 3: my phone. Actually still have a video, which he seems

1145
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 3: slightly annoyed that a kickoff I caught.

1146
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 1: No, no, I could have caught a kick. But it

1147
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 1: was my first time on the field for a game.

1148
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: I had been on the field a bunch from me.

1149
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 3: And I was worried that if I caught the ball,

1150
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 3: it'd be like a baseball game where they throw me

1151
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 3: out Jeffrey Meyer. So I decided I'm going to let

1152
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 3: the guy next to me catch the ball. And he did,

1153
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 3: and it was like the thrill of his life.

1154
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: It was cool.

1155
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 3: He took a step out, he held the ball up

1156
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 3: like it was a big deal for this guy. I

1157
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 3: was terrified to be anywhere near a live football in

1158
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 3: a college football stadium. But we had a chance to meet,

1159
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 3: and I remember, I don't I think it was a

1160
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 3: holiday in that we stayed at. I remember that you

1161
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 3: had arranged for the management to put out on an

1162
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 3: easel welcome verbicon and and I remember walking in seeing

1163
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 3: this on an easel and I'm gonna curse folks, thinking

1164
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 3: what the fuck is going on here? Verbicon? Like there

1165
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 3: is no real verbicon? Do these guys know it? And

1166
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 3: then you kind of popped out from around the corner. Yeah,

1167
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 3: and we had a chance to meet.

1168
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't meet in the hotel lobby, though we

1169
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: met outside of the bar. I think that was going

1170
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: at that night. But in any case, yes, this is

1171
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: all true. We met in Lincoln, Nebraska. We had a

1172
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: great time. The game was great, the game experience, the

1173
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 1: game itself wasn't that good. I think it was Texas

1174
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: one with like a quarterback who was mobile, who's not

1175
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: normally mobile. I don't even remember who it was. It

1176
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: wasn't David Ash, it's pre Ash, but it was it

1177
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: Garrett Gilbert. Yeah, in any case, twenty ten for me, though,

1178
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: this is where I'm at. I email. I sent a

1179
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: cold email because I'm tired of sleeping on the ground.

1180
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 1: I sent a cold the email both I both physically

1181
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 1: cold and out of nowhere. I sent it to Eric

1182
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: ride Home, who is the executive producer of PTI and

1183
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: still is and is like a total empire builder at ESPN,

1184
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: and I said, Hey, if you ever need anybody to

1185
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: do to write research or something like that, let me know.

1186
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 1: And he was like, nobody ever leaves PTI, nobody ever leaves,

1187
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: nobody ever wants to leave. But if you're ever in DC,

1188
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: let me know, and I'd love to meet with you.

1189
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: And so I found an excuse to get to d C.

1190
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: My middle brother is a pilot, and so I was

1191
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: in Chicago at Blogs with Balls, which is a big

1192
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: sports media blogger conference, met Spencer Hall for the first

1193
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: met Spencer for the first time, met all sorts of

1194
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: people that you know are just sort of in the

1195
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: sports blog world. It was a great time. And then

1196
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: just continued onto DC from Chicago. Stayed with a friend

1197
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: who had recently moved out there who I liked. This friend,

1198
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: I was fine and sending a note to Eric ride

1199
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: home before I went. I was like, having to be

1200
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: in d C. Does the offer still stand? Because I

1201
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: had sent him like a reel from Sports Illustrating. He

1202
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: was like, sure, yeah, come on buy And I with

1203
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: him and he was incredibly nice, just like super kind,

1204
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: and I still am friendly with him to this day.

1205
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: But he he sent me like three email addresses of people,

1206
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: one of whom is Ron Wexler, who was at ESPN

1207
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: is now at NBC, a guy from Yahoo who I forget,

1208
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: and Jim Bankoff, who is the current CEO of you know,

1209
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: Vox Media and was at that point just Espnation. And

1210
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: I contacted all of them. I met Jim Bankoff that

1211
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: night in DC at a party and sent Ron Wexler

1212
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: an email and started doing stuff for ESPN, just sort

1213
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: of tangentially helping them research and produce and stuff like

1214
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: that out in LA and I actually ended up getting

1215
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: a couple pilots with ESPNU, and so that cold email

1216
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: got me going sports media wise, but also like we

1217
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: would start having Spencer Hall on the show and he

1218
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: was always hilarious. So we were slowly expanding our footprint

1219
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: of people that would come on the show. And at

1220
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: the end of two thy ten, what is our next

1221
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: step platform wise? Because I feel like there's about to

1222
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: be a hit here.

1223
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 3: The other thing that I'll mention before we go onto

1224
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 3: the platform is also in twenty ten, I had a

1225
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 3: chance to audition with the Big ten network. That's right,

1226
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 3: which I totally forgot to put.

1227
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: Down on our on our outline. So you did. You

1228
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: did some piloting for ESPNU, and that was through Eric

1229
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: ride home and saying I had solid verbal and sports illustrated.

1230
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: You know, I have this at least record of activity.

1231
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 3: I got a cold email from a producer at the

1232
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 3: Big ten Network to go out there and try out

1233
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 3: for show. I had never been on camera before, I

1234
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 3: had no idea what the hell I was doing, and

1235
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 3: I tried.

1236
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: And this was best I could. This was from the

1237
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: solid verbal.

1238
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 3: This was from the solid verbal. This was just you know,

1239
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 3: me being the hosts that I try to be on

1240
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 3: our show. But went out there, flew out from Allentown

1241
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 3: direct to Chicago, was out there for a couple hours,

1242
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 3: did a tryout. Didn't get it, obviously, because I didn't

1243
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 3: really know what I was doing, didn't know a camera

1244
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 3: to look at him, and I was but it's so flattering.

1245
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 3: I was a total mess, but didn't get it. Had

1246
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 3: a good experience out there. Just getting to see the

1247
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 3: studio was kind of a cool thing. And it was

1248
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 3: at that point for me that I'm like, we must

1249
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 3: actually be pretty good at this.

1250
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: Pretty good. We must be pretty good at this.

1251
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 3: If I am getting an email just out of the

1252
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 3: blue from a real network with real equipment, maybe we

1253
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 3: should consider improving our equipment. Yes, maybe we should consider

1254
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 3: beefing up our equipment. So it was at that point

1255
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 3: that we started to get a little bit more serious

1256
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 3: about what what's that's right, what what equipment are we using,

1257
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 3: and what other platforms can we be on to try

1258
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 3: and grow our footprint at this point, again steady growth,

1259
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 3: continuing to grow. We're up over a thousand users, clearly

1260
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 3: by a thousand users, maybe by you know, around like

1261
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 3: three thousand at this point.

1262
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1263
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 3: In twenty and ten, we catch on with the Score. Yes,

1264
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:55,959
Speaker 3: which was.

1265
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: They email us or did we contact them? How did

1266
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: we get into communicate? I don't even remember.

1267
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 3: I don't remember how. I think they may have looked

1268
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 3: us up yet. Nonetheless, the Score was actually where the

1269
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 3: Basketball Jones was calling home at that point in time.

1270
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 3: They were a Canadian outlet. They were on serious radio,

1271
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 3: but only in Canada.

1272
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: No, they were on serious in the States as well.

1273
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: They were definitely because I remember my uncle. Yeah, yeah,

1274
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: they were. But the TV show was a Canadian thing. Yeah,

1275
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: it was a Canadian company. But we caught on with them.

1276
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: They started promoting our content and they paid us so

1277
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: many zeros of dollars, so many zeros of dollars.

1278
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got some added exposure through their website. And

1279
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 3: it was also around this time that Chris the Capper,

1280
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 3: you remember Chris the Kapper, who has prolong time now

1281
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 3: given us his weekly college football picks. But he had

1282
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 3: emailed us and said, you know, I've done some handicapping.

1283
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 3: I'm pretty good at it. Would you mind if I

1284
01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:59,439
Speaker 3: called in a pick or wrote in a pick?

1285
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: Every week? We said, hey, let's do it. Why don't

1286
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: you do it.

1287
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 3: Let's try and let's try and grow this as much

1288
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:08,479
Speaker 3: as we can. So Chris started contributing picks. We felt

1289
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 3: pretty good about the state of affairs. In twenty ten,

1290
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Speaker 3: podcasting was very slowly picking up steam. You still couldn't

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Speaker 3: go to a bar and say I do a podcast

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Speaker 3: and expect anyone to know what the hell you were

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Speaker 3: talking about. But podcasting at that point seemed like it

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Speaker 3: was doing better than all life support.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's It's one of those things too, where

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Speaker 1: if we could say that we were on SERIOUSXM, which

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Speaker 1: was enormous, we convinced them to send us to the

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Speaker 1: National Championship in Arizona, or like give us our money

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Speaker 1: back for that's our travel expenses whatever. So it was

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Speaker 1: it was a badge of like, no, we're not making money,

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Speaker 1: but like more and more sids are responding to us saying,

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Speaker 1: would you like to have your coach on word SIRIOUSXM whatever,

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Speaker 1: and so it was. It was a nice badge, was

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Speaker 1: a nice thing to have on our resume and increase

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Speaker 1: the footprint. You know, we have thousands of listeners at

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Speaker 1: this point, but we're not making any money.

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Speaker 3: Not making not making a single dime. But it was

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Speaker 3: definitely about collecting references.

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Speaker 1: And so this is year three. Yeah, yeah, so your

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Speaker 3: Through the Score, we end up going to the BCS

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Speaker 3: National Championship. Came back when it was still the BCS

1336
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 3: in Glendale, Arizona. This was a big deal for you

1337
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 3: because not only do we get to go and have

1338
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 3: it paid for by somebody else, which we'll talk about

1339
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 3: momentarily obviously, but it was also Orgon against Auburn.

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Speaker 1: It was the two of us in West Coast, Kevin

1341
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: my roommate at the time. We drove from LA so

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Speaker 1: it was very easy for us. You flew in from

1343
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: from Allentown, shipped all your audio equipment via Fax. Big

1344
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,959
Speaker 1: freaking box. Yeah. It cost me like one hundred bucks

1345
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: this ship. So you ship all your audio equipment. I

1346
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: bring some video equipment out and we were credentialed because

1347
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: of Sirius XM and the score. So we went to

1348
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: media days and we shot fun video stuff, and we

1349
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: eventually cut together a video that we filmed in a

1350
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Speaker 1: very Tom Rinaldi ish style about the fact that you know,

1351
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: and if you've ever seen the Media Hotel in Phoenix,

1352
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful resort. We stayed at a just awful

1353
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: place across the street from a strip club, a very

1354
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: shady strip club. Not even like a fun, exciting Atlanta

1355
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: Hawks strip club. No, no, this was a terrible, terrible

1356
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: strip club that we listen, Ty and I are not

1357
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: above going to a strip club. Let me get that

1358
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: right out in the open right here. We looked at

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Speaker 1: that place and we're.

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Speaker 3: Like, I don't know, that is not wouldn't even go

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01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 3: in there for like a six pack, not even for

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Speaker 3: a story, not even to like tell the story of

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Speaker 3: how groedy it was.

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Speaker 1: We're like, now, I think we're good. I think we've

1365
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: grown up now, I think life is better than.

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Speaker 3: We stated a country inn in suites in Tempe in Tempe, Arizona,

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01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 3: across from a shady strip joint, and it was there

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Speaker 3: that we wrote a script. We narrated you cut video.

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01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 3: You did narration under a blanket in our room, under

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01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 3: a blanket to try and get like some kind of

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01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 3: acoustic integrity in this thing. Yeah, but we cut together

1372
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 3: our story are Improbable Journey to the BCS Championship, And

1373
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 3: I look back and I watched the video and it's like,

1374
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 3: I don't even know how that story really even came about, right,

1375
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 3: I don't know what our headspace was at the time

1376
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 3: to think that that was funny or a good thing,

1377
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 3: or how that came to fruition. I have no idea,

1378
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 3: but it caught on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we did a good job, all things considered, with

1380
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: the crack tom we have. I just remember we went

1381
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: to the media party and you and Kevin were drinking.

1382
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this was the drinking contest. Yeah, you

1383
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: guys were drinking a bunch and you got back and

1384
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: you start you of course, go to your computer and

1385
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: start editing audio, and Kevin goes b lines to the

1386
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: bathroom and you guys were drinking drink for drink and

1387
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: just pukes everywhere. Yeah, he was.

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01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 3: He was in rough shape after that, and I was.

1389
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 3: I was a more seasoned drinker. I was able to handle.

1390
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 3: I was able to handle audio. But we were at

1391
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 3: the BCS party and at that point, everybody you see

1392
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 3: that you sort of recognize is like a star.

1393
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Speaker 1: It was a big deal if we're in a college

1394
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: football media wise.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we went drink for drink, Kevin and I did

1396
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 3: because you were driving with Spencer Hall, who if you've

1397
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 3: ever met Spencer dude, can drink, can drink. And Clay

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Speaker 3: Travis yea at the time who I don't know who

1399
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Speaker 3: Clay was with at that point in time, right, been

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Speaker 3: dead Spin ye then, I don't remember, but we went

1401
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 3: drink for drink with those two guys. We came back

1402
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 3: from that party. I was editing, Kevin was in the

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01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 3: bathroom duking.

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01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, we shut the video and it was in

1405
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: the very Rinaldi Tomernaldi esque style. I cut it together.

1406
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 1: We put it up a couple days after when we

1407
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: got back, and you know, Twitter is a thing at

1408
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 1: this point. We tweeted out and I don't know at

1409
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: this you know, this is twenty ten or the very

1410
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 1: beginning of twenty eleven. Maybe there were other college football podcasts,

1411
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: and if there were other college football podcasts, they'd record

1412
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: like only during the season, or they'd record, you know,

1413
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,439
Speaker 1: once a week, and we were doing twice a week,

1414
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 1: and it was one of those things where we just

1415
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of competition, not because we were better,

1416
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: but because we just were more consistent than everybody.

1417
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 3: More consistent and probably more demented to want to keep

1418
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 3: doing it again, not making any money, right, not making

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Speaker 3: any money.

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01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: We'd post this thing. People seem to enjoy it. It

1421
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: gets spread around a whole bunch. I get an email

1422
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: from ESPN that they want to show it on ESPN News.

1423
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: Steve Weisman, who were still pals with to this get

1424
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: to this day, is the host. He loves the video.

1425
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: He brings Tom Ernaldi on the show. We eventually have

1426
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: Tom Renaldi on the show a couple of years later.

1427
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 1: But it becomes a thing, and it's I'm trying to

1428
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: figure out how to describe what this meant. It didn't

1429
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: make us any more money, It didn't really get us

1430
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: any more listeners. But I think it gave us the

1431
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: confidence that, like, we have a good sense for what

1432
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: people might think is funny, and.

1433
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Speaker 3: It was validation that what we were doing, yeah, was

1434
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:24,759
Speaker 3: not totally off base, right, And still I'm at this point,

1435
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 3: it's two thousand, the beginning of twenty eleven. So I

1436
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 3: am doing some work around, like freelancing, but you know,

1437
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 3: not making a ton of money, and you're still at

1438
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 3: the day job, and we don't have any expectation that

1439
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 3: we're going to grow this into something larger and profitable.

1440
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 3: Exactly interesting side note. You saw an interesting side of

1441
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 3: me as we tried to collect the reimbursement check from

1442
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 3: the Score. Oh wow, very nice people at the Score.

1443
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 3: Enjoyed working with the Score. I won't name the gentleman

1444
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 3: that we worked with, but I did go back and

1445
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:59,679
Speaker 3: count our correspondence. It took me six months and eleven

1446
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 3: follow up emails to collect that reimbursementship.

1447
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: How it couldn't have been much either.

1448
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 3: I don't think boks a few hundred bucks, but it

1449
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 3: was principal. Yeah, if you say you're going to send

1450
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 3: us and reimburse us, don't leave us hanging.

1451
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. We had spoken, and I'm really glad this didn't

1452
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,679
Speaker 1: come to pass. We had spoken a little bit about

1453
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,680
Speaker 1: selling the show to the Score and how much we

1454
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 1: would want for the name and like the rights to

1455
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 1: the solid verbal because that's in some way how the

1456
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: starters and Basketball Jones that they had to change their

1457
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: name when they went to NBA TV, and it never

1458
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: really came to pass. We had no idea how to

1459
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 1: value our worth and our company, but it was cool

1460
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: to start having those conversations that people were interested in

1461
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 1: acquiring the show.

1462
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 3: At that point, we decide we should probably trademark our name,

1463
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 3: and to this day, I think that was one of

1464
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 3: the better decisions that we made at that point, where like,

1465
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 3: what we're doing clearly has value.

1466
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: Let's try to protect ourselves. Oh we can, so we

1467
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 1: trade more the solid verbal. What equipment are we using

1468
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: at this point? I think I'm twenty eleven a blue snowball,

1469
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 1: You're using a blue snowball and then a blue yetty. Yeah,

1470
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: I'm using a Sure SM seven B. Oh yeah, it's

1471
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 1: a great mic. I'm using a Sure SM seven B.

1472
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 3: And I will also add we're still recording on one track. Yes,

1473
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 3: all right, this gets a little too tactical maybe for

1474
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 3: this show. It's a Skype record, but it's a Skype recording.

1475
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 3: I'm recording everything on one track. And then I'm using

1476
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 3: a program called a level later. Oh yeah, which was

1477
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 3: freeware that you could find out on the internet. Still exists,

1478
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 3: still use still still exists to this day. I still

1479
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 3: recommend it to people who aren't looking to really jump

1480
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 3: headfirst into the whole podcasting thing. But it's this kind

1481
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:40,600
Speaker 3: of magic algorithmic software that's able to use a compressor

1482
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 3: and some sort of limitter and.

1483
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: It automatically levels things out to your audio levels.

1484
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 3: It balances your audio out. It doesn't always do a

1485
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 3: great job, but in a lot of cases it's good

1486
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 3: enough quick and in a case like ours, where we're

1487
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 3: co located in different spots, it was it was ideal

1488
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 3: to try and make a sound like we were in

1489
01:10:58,200 --> 01:10:58,680
Speaker 3: the same room.

1490
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is true. And the way this is our

1491
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 1: general feeling of the show is we're not taking college

1492
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: football too seriously. We were nerdy about things. You know,

1493
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: we have people like Phil Steele on and we we

1494
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 1: do some deep diving. But we find that people respond

1495
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 1: most when we're weird. We're talking about robot surgeons that

1496
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what year we came up

1497
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: with clemsoning, but that that was the sort of attitude

1498
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: we took where we were coming up with terms and

1499
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 1: our general philosophy as a show. Because people are so

1500
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 1: hyper local about their own teams, their tribal about their

1501
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: own teams, and we're doing a national show, so we

1502
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: just want to be entertaining. We want to build a universe.

1503
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 1: I think both of us are fans of you know,

1504
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: the Simpsons and stuff like that. We're like, the star

1505
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: of the show is not the Simpson Family, it's Springfield.

1506
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 1: So the star of this show is not Oregon and

1507
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. It's college football. It's the weirdness. It's the

1508
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: the NC State, the fat NC State fan waving his towel,

1509
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 1: like when they beat Florida State. It's excuse me, hefty

1510
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 1: or husky whatever. Yeah, but we're trying to tap into that,

1511
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's like edsbs there, you know,

1512
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 1: we try to emulate that sort of attitude where like

1513
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:03,759
Speaker 1: everything is ridiculous, let's just have fun. It's college football

1514
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: and it resonates with people to whatever extent, and we

1515
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 1: have a really good People are emailing the show all

1516
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 1: the time. They're tweeting us. You know, Clemson loses a

1517
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 1: dumb game to an unranked team after impressing people, and

1518
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 1: we get a bunch of tweets Clemson and Clemson and clemsoning.

1519
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 1: Is this clemsing? So but we're getting these terms into

1520
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: the college football lexicon. And it's again no money, but

1521
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 1: there is something fulfilling about establishing a very tiny, tiny

1522
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,679
Speaker 1: place in the college football media universe.

1523
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 3: And the other thing that we tried to do not

1524
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 3: only was to tap into that community, but we were

1525
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 3: very I thought strategic about how we tried to give

1526
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 3: people ownership of the show. And this is really the

1527
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 3: differentiator for us. There were other shows that were popping

1528
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 3: up around that point in time, but most of them

1529
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 3: were with bigger personalities and it was a lot of

1530
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:04,679
Speaker 3: one way chatter. This is what we heard from this coach,

1531
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 3: This is what we heard from this player. There weren't

1532
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 3: any shows out there that answered email questions. There weren't

1533
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 3: any shows out there that had audio from fans on

1534
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 3: their program. This was something that we started figuring out

1535
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 3: how to pull in now known as the Reverbs. Yes,

1536
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 3: we've been doing the reverbs for a while.

1537
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 1: And Bill Simmons had his mail bag, and you know,

1538
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: there was stuff like that in written form, but not

1539
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: in audio in the same way, not an audio and

1540
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 1: certainly not in the college footballwork right, And that was

1541
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:35,600
Speaker 1: the little area we tried to carve out for ourselves

1542
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 1: and so with the ESPN news hit that we got

1543
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 1: and with the continued success of the podcast. That was

1544
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 1: when Grantline so I had mentioned doing ESPNU pilots and

1545
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 1: for the show Unite. I don't know if people remember

1546
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: that show, good for them, but I shot a couple

1547
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: of pilots for that. In La met a lot of

1548
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 1: ESPN people. One of those people was Dave Jacobi, who

1549
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 1: is now a famous radio host now I guess. Yeah.

1550
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: He was just a development guy for ESPN when they

1551
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 1: had a development partner department and original content development department,

1552
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 1: and he was put in charge of podcasts. He left

1553
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: ESPN for Grantland and put in charge of podcasts, and

1554
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: I had known him. Ron Wexler was the other name

1555
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: who's now at NBC Sports, but he was one of

1556
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 1: the heads of ESPN Original content and they were looking

1557
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: for external podcast for this grant Land network of podcasts.

1558
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 1: Dave Jacoby contacted me and he said, and I had

1559
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: known him already, but he said, you know, would you

1560
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: be interested in doing this and having the cliverbal on Grantland?

1561
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 1: And I said, of course, absolutely, yeah. You know, didn't

1562
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: pay us again, American dollars did not pay us. But yeah,

1563
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 1: you could definitely make the case, and I will make

1564
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 1: the case having that exposure was worth more than any

1565
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: paycheck they could have cut to us. Yeah, we are.

1566
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 1: We had an ad in the New York Times. We had,

1567
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,799
Speaker 1: you know, the influence of grant Land. Obviously Bill Simmons

1568
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 1: his huge show, we had. You know, this was at

1569
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: the same time that and Blazers joined Grantland. This is

1570
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 1: the same time that I think it was a year

1571
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 1: before maybe the Basketball Jones had joined Grantland. But it

1572
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 1: was by far our best exposure because all of a sudden,

1573
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 1: we're in this universe that is not super technology forward.

1574
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 1: College football is sort of an older media type thing,

1575
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:20,599
Speaker 1: and then we get into grant Land and it's all

1576
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 1: just like people our age, new technology, fun writers, whatever,

1577
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 1: and it's our sensibility. And it really did a number.

1578
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: We were on like the Grantland Network podcast feed and

1579
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 1: then you could subscribe to the Solid Verbal separately, and

1580
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: it was just once a week. We were doing two

1581
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 1: shows a week, but our Sunday show was on grant Land.

1582
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: And did you edit that special for them or something

1583
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 1: like that? Yeah, I mean it was.

1584
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 3: Never cut in a special way. It was a different file, yes,

1585
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 3: said I provided to them. But ESPN and Dave Jacobe

1586
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 3: were really good about our content. We didn't have any

1587
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 3: shackles placed on us as always like this, yeah, this

1588
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 3: thing that people seem to have with ESPN, they're always

1589
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 3: all there, they're kelly you what to say that.

1590
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 1: Nobody ever told us what to say. They were so

1591
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: cool about it. Yeah, they would always like The only

1592
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,600
Speaker 1: note that Jacoby would give us was be like, just

1593
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: get weirder, get fun like Nick Foles in a losing

1594
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: effort was something that happened at that point. He was like,

1595
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 1: lean into stuff like that. That's funny and weird and unique,

1596
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 1: and so we tried to. Yeah, that was that was

1597
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 1: the big thing. Nothing, if anything, ESPN and Grantland made

1598
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,720
Speaker 1: us weirder, So it was it was very cool to

1599
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: see how that expanded our footprint. So that was twenty

1600
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 1: eleven and that was a big deal.

1601
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 3: That was pretty much the inflection point for us and

1602
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 3: from that point forward, and that's our fourth season, fourth season,

1603
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,839
Speaker 3: we're going to be entering season ten. Yeah, but fourth

1604
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 3: season is when we absolutely saw an uptick in the

1605
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,640
Speaker 3: people who were being driven to our show, to our

1606
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 3: website are our following grew by a factor of like

1607
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 3: ten at that point, and we really felt like we

1608
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:57,680
Speaker 3: were picking up steam with this thing, and so we

1609
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 3: did the season with Greatland. The calendar turns to twenty twelve. Yeah,

1610
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 3: you moved to New York City.

1611
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 1: I do so. Mentioned Spencer Hall before and so that

1612
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: pilot for a unite it. They wanted me to reach

1613
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 1: out to Spencer to hire him at ESPNU. I had

1614
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 1: a call with Spencer. Spencer said, oh, that's interesting, that's

1615
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 1: something to think about. But we're also doing our own

1616
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 1: thing here at Espanation, and you're on our list of

1617
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 1: potential people. And one I'm making a ton of cash,

1618
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 1: and two I don't know what the future is with ESPN.

1619
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 1: And three I'm sort of in like a personal rut

1620
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: in LA. I'm ready for something different. And so I

1621
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 1: interviewed with est Nation. I spoke with a number of people.

1622
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 1: I came out late November or excuse me, early November.

1623
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: It was the week right before nine to six LSU, Alabama,

1624
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: So that was like November fourth eleven. Yeah, and I

1625
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 1: came out here. I met everybody Espination and liked everybody

1626
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: was very cool. Really wanted the job. Finally figured out,

1627
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,680
Speaker 1: finally was told. I got the job in late December

1628
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,600
Speaker 1: and moved to New York in early twenty twelve. So

1629
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 1: that's February twenty twelve. I moved to New York and

1630
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,680
Speaker 1: we're still we're year round. We're doing it once a week,

1631
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 1: twice a week, depending on guests. We're trying to get coaches.

1632
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 1: I don't have a couch. I'm broadcasting. This is totally true.

1633
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 1: I didn't have a couch. I was waiting for the

1634
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 1: new couch to arrive that I ordered from some discount

1635
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 1: couch warehouse in New York. I did the show. I've

1636
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 1: done at least three or four shows from a really

1637
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 1: grody New York apartment floor. I did shows that spring

1638
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 1: from a rat infested stairwell at the old Espianation Loft

1639
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 1: studio office. And you know, it's I think we started

1640
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 1: sponsorship in twenty twelve, but it was still like I

1641
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 1: don't know if at that point I was like what

1642
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 1: am I doing with this? Because there was so much

1643
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 1: positive But that's when I specifically remember, like I was

1644
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 1: working twelve hour days at this startup basically, and that's

1645
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 1: when I remember like the podcast started taking a lot

1646
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 1: out of me. That's I was like, this is great.

1647
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:05,679
Speaker 1: I love doing it. But there were definitely shows around

1648
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 1: that time when I had moved to New York War

1649
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: I just twenty seven minutes and I was just like,

1650
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 1: I don't have anything.

1651
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 3: I'm totally gassed. And I was in a very similar place.

1652
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,680
Speaker 3: You know, because you stay at a company for any

1653
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 3: point in time. At this point, I'm there eight years,

1654
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 3: you start getting more responsibility. You start working a little

1655
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 3: bit harder when you're there, not that you're not always

1656
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 3: trying to do a good job, but you just have

1657
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 3: more on your plate, and so you're coming home, you're

1658
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 3: tired from your work day. In your case, sometimes you're

1659
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 3: still at work, which was not always the most tenable

1660
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 3: situation for you. I'm sure a little bit uncomfortable because

1661
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 3: you're not supposed to be doing that stuff when you're

1662
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 3: at the office. And yeah, I'm wondering the same thing

1663
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:47,799
Speaker 3: mostly in the off season.

1664
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:48,600
Speaker 1: For me.

1665
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 3: During the season, you're just kind of like in the ocean,

1666
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 3: you go with it. But in the off season you

1667
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,799
Speaker 3: start having these thoughts. And I think it's common across

1668
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 3: anyone who does anything on the internet. They'll tell you

1669
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 3: thinking about quitting thinking about how this affects me personally

1670
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 3: is not something that comes about like once in a

1671
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 3: blue moon. It's something that comes about fairly regularly. Yeah,

1672
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 3: and it certainly happened to me back then. It happens

1673
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 3: to me now sure all the time. Yeah, you start wondering, like,

1674
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 3: what kind of a personal toll has this taken on me?

1675
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: And we stuck with it. Yeah. The interesting thing is,

1676
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 1: at this point, the solid verbal is sort of grandfathered

1677
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: into our lives as the oldest relationship. This is It's like,

1678
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 1: my actual negotiation with Espanation included the fact that, like,

1679
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: I can do this podcast, this sports thing, even though

1680
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 1: it's not Espianation, and they were cool with it. And

1681
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, I was with somebody for seven years in

1682
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 1: LA six and change years and broke up when we

1683
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 1: when I moved to New York, and you know, had

1684
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: just dealing with interpersonal things, dealing with this new job

1685
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 1: and you know, not too much in the way of

1686
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 1: job security. Still at this time, even though I moved

1687
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 1: across the country, there was just a lot on our plate.

1688
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:04,599
Speaker 3: There was a lot in our plate. So the calendar

1689
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 3: turn us to twenty twelve. You moved to New York City.

1690
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 3: You start working for Espionation, you and I get an

1691
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 3: invite from our friend Andrew down at south By Southwest.

1692
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 3: They were starting SX Sports at the time to try

1693
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 3: and launch a sports track. He invites us to go

1694
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 3: and do a live podcast, which was cool. It wasn't

1695
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 3: like the best setting for a.

1696
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 1: Podcast, only open to south By people, only.

1697
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 3: Open to write a select gathering of people who could

1698
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 3: afford the ticket price, but it was a great experience.

1699
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 3: The only interesting anecdote from that is that there was

1700
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 3: a printing issue in the official program, and so people

1701
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 3: showed up hoping to get a how to podcast type

1702
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:51,839
Speaker 3: of presentation from us, and we were under the impression

1703
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 3: that we're there to do a college football show. Now,

1704
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 3: if you ever have the luxury of doing a college

1705
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 3: football show, right right, if you ever have the luxury

1706
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 3: of doing a presentation is south By Southwest. It's not

1707
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 3: uncommon for people to like get up midway through and

1708
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 3: start walking out. Well, we knew something was wrong when

1709
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 3: people were walking out like two minutes in yep. And

1710
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 3: I'm trying not to react to this because they they

1711
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 3: say everyone who goes there says, don't worry if people

1712
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 3: walk out. Well, people are looking disgruntled and they're walking

1713
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:23,719
Speaker 3: out quickly, and eventually some British girl kind of raises

1714
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:26,640
Speaker 3: her hand and heckles the shit out of us. Like

1715
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 3: I was under the impression this was going to be

1716
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 3: a how to and you guys, I don't know what.

1717
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 1: College football is. Whoa, WHOA, what are we talking about here? Yeah?

1718
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 1: It was fun. We had a good time. It rained

1719
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 1: like crazy, but it was. It was one of those

1720
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 1: just cool experiences to put a as a notch on

1721
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 1: our belt.

1722
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:48,680
Speaker 3: But we met Koba Yashi or we didn't meet him,

1723
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 3: but he was at a honky tonk that we were at.

1724
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 3: Spencer Hall was there. The guys from the starters were there,

1725
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 3: were networking. It was a good time. But again another

1726
01:22:57,439 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 3: thing that we can use as a reference also into

1727
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 3: twenty twelve through your connections at es BE Nation. We

1728
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 3: end up doing a piloted video show. Yeah, we did

1729
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,799
Speaker 3: some video stuff on the weekend. Sometimes it was Saturday

1730
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:10,679
Speaker 3: and then Sunday we decided to do our live show.

1731
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,639
Speaker 3: So there was more back and forth in person, more

1732
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 3: video availability, just to get you some reps under our belts.

1733
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,680
Speaker 3: So that was That was twenty twelve. And it was successful,

1734
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 3: and we started getting ads. We started getting ads, a

1735
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:26,799
Speaker 3: little bit of cash, which was promising, and then an

1736
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 3: indication that we were going in the right direction. And

1737
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 3: I think we went into twenty thirteen in a good space.

1738
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 3: We end up in Miami for the National Championship Game,

1739
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 3: which was a great trip. That was Miami, that was

1740
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:41,719
Speaker 3: the Notre Dame Alabama. I convince you not to spend

1741
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 3: a crap ton of money. I fell asleep about ten

1742
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 3: minutes into the game.

1743
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 1: You fall asleep a few minutes into the Notre Dame

1744
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 1: Alabama National Championship Game. We're all over South Beach in

1745
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:55,640
Speaker 1: a very nerdy way. We do a podcast from a

1746
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 1: rental car. But the idea is in all of this,

1747
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 1: it's that we never said, you know what, why don't

1748
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 1: we not go to this National Championship game. We never said,

1749
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: you know, I just want to stay home. I just

1750
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:12,799
Speaker 1: want to enjoy the holidays. It's that we just kept going.

1751
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 1: We kept hitting record, we kept uploading to the internet,

1752
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: we kept doing dumb stuff. The only thing and we

1753
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 1: got a lot of questions, and I know we're going

1754
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:21,679
Speaker 1: to go over the questions because there's not that much

1755
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 1: to add from this point on, we've just grown and

1756
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 1: grown and grown, and we're now Espionation whatever. And I'm

1757
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: not skipping over. But there's a lot of questions about

1758
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 1: quitting the show. You it was ever a point I

1759
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 1: think that was probably twenty twelve, Not that we actively

1760
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:36,560
Speaker 1: talked about stopping the show, but it was like, you know,

1761
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 1: a lot of people asking for advice, a lot of

1762
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 1: people saying I'm interested in podcasts and how you guys grew,

1763
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:42,639
Speaker 1: a lot of people saying like, I have so many listeners,

1764
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:44,759
Speaker 1: but how do I you know, I have one hundred listeners,

1765
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 1: how do I make it a thousand or whatever. The

1766
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 1: only thing we can tell you is you got to

1767
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:51,639
Speaker 1: keep hitt and record, don't stop. You got to keep

1768
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 1: the record. And if there's anything disagreement wise that Tye

1769
01:24:55,760 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 1: and I have had is I'm never super not never okay.

1770
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:05,679
Speaker 1: I am more unrealistic about how much I want to record.

1771
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:07,600
Speaker 1: Through the years, I've always said, like, let's record a

1772
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 1: third show during the week, Let's do a Q and

1773
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 1: A show, Let's do a video show during the week

1774
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 1: where we and I don't even think about if I

1775
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 1: have the time. I just want to overwhelm the market

1776
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 1: with Ty Heildon Brand and Dan Rubinstein. And it hasn't

1777
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 1: even really been disagreements. It's been just you are more

1778
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 1: realistic about twice a week is good, and let's do

1779
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: it five days a week, Let's do it every day.

1780
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 1: I've never been a fan of the daily podcast yea

1781
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:33,679
Speaker 1: for a Matt and I've always I've always been really

1782
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 1: skittish on that.

1783
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 3: Some people abide by it. I hate it, I like it,

1784
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 3: I hate it. I've never liked it, especially for what

1785
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:46,640
Speaker 3: we do, but you know it, there's definitely something to

1786
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:48,680
Speaker 3: establishing your own rhythm.

1787
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:49,680
Speaker 1: And I don't care what it is.

1788
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 3: You know, if it's five days a week, if it's

1789
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 3: two days a week, one day a week, one day

1790
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 3: a month, one day year, whatever it is, be consistent

1791
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 3: with it. And it was around this twenty twelve twenty

1792
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 3: thirteen time frame. So we go to we go to

1793
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 3: Miami for the championship game. We had a weird interview

1794
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:09,719
Speaker 3: with Lex Steel sure which you know, people have asked

1795
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 3: how did that come about? A friend got his contact information.

1796
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 1: Just like LinkedIn Slow Things very bizarre.

1797
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 3: I had a friend who found our little confusion between

1798
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 3: Phil and Lex to be funnier than anyone else. He

1799
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 3: got his contact info to me, we brought him on.

1800
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 3: He talked about, well, I have.

1801
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 1: This sound clip.

1802
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 3: I won't play the sound clip now because we're going

1803
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 3: to try and get to some of these questions here.

1804
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 3: But twenty thirteen again, all the while, we're still growing.

1805
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 3: We're not on Grantlin though. No, we're not a Grantlin though,

1806
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 3: because Grantlin made an editorial decision. It wasn't that they

1807
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 3: didn't like what we were doing, but they made an

1808
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 3: editorial decision to try and build from within. You also

1809
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 3: had this concurrent career with esp Nation and it was awkward, yeah,

1810
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 3: to try and across the streams, right.

1811
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 1: It's true. I was full time at Espanation and I

1812
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 1: would hear from Jacoby every once in a while, but

1813
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 1: it was just and when I asked him, he was like, yay,

1814
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:03,639
Speaker 1: you're an explanation. We can't really move forward.

1815
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 3: It has been a tight rope to walk, Yeah, with

1816
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 3: you working for another sports media entity. Not so much

1817
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 3: for me working in corporate America because there's not much

1818
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 3: overlapped there, right. But for a long time we've had

1819
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,680
Speaker 3: to try and find that balance. I have needed to

1820
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 3: be respectful of that, you know, and admittedly sometimes I've

1821
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,680
Speaker 3: had a harder time than others as certain opportunities have

1822
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:27,679
Speaker 3: presented themselves.

1823
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 1: But you know, ultimately, and I would say that's the

1824
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,720
Speaker 1: other push pull. That's the push pull in terms of

1825
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 1: disagreements to the year i've you know, I was ambitious

1826
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 1: and still am ambitious about you know, I want to

1827
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 1: record every day, I want to do video every day.

1828
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 1: I want to do whatever I want to like, you know,

1829
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 1: be this inescapable entity in people's college football universes. But

1830
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 1: you've you know, you have the responsibilities that you have,

1831
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,680
Speaker 1: and I have the responsibilities that I have. But in

1832
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 1: opportunities of like we've okay, so we have spoken with

1833
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 1: Fox Sports, we have spoken with CBS Sports, we have

1834
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 1: had conversations with people at ESPN. We've had conversations with

1835
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 1: an agent, and we've had conversations with people at streaming

1836
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 1: services and social media networks that are doing live and

1837
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: high quality streaming videos. And issues range from well that's

1838
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:19,599
Speaker 1: sort of unrealistic to they want us to pay them

1839
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 1: for airtime or hearing back once every three or four weeks.

1840
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 1: And it's one of those things where we need to

1841
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 1: find the right fit. We need to find the right

1842
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: situation in which if you were to leave your corporate

1843
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 1: job that you would have full time, you would have

1844
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 1: health insurance, but I would have health insurance. And college

1845
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 1: football is seasonal. It's not like we could do this

1846
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 1: all year If somebody wants college football show all year round, okay,

1847
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 1: we'll have a conversation. Sure, But you know, we have

1848
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 1: to find the right place, and we're still doing that.

1849
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:53,759
Speaker 1: We've had a lot of strong interest from a couple places,

1850
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 1: but if the fit isn't right, if they want to

1851
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 1: pair us with other people and it would hurt the show,

1852
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:02,799
Speaker 1: it's not We're We're fortunate to be in a position

1853
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:06,679
Speaker 1: where we don't have to accept offers that don't feel

1854
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 1: right to us. So a lot of people have asked

1855
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 1: that we are looking, always looking to bring the show

1856
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:16,559
Speaker 1: into a place that we can grow it in a

1857
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:17,599
Speaker 1: an organic way.

1858
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 3: So I'm going to run through a couple of the

1859
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:23,559
Speaker 3: major highlights here. Wait, let's seeah over the next couple

1860
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 3: of years. So that that's kind of the origin story.

1861
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 3: But you know, uh, twenty thirteen, we brought on Taylor

1862
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 3: as our intern. He's been having us for a long time.

1863
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:33,480
Speaker 1: Reverbs.

1864
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:37,759
Speaker 3: Twenty fourteen, we went to the Rose Bowl, the National

1865
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:40,800
Speaker 3: Championship at Larda House. We did our hot tub show,

1866
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 3: excuse me, the Jacuzzi Show with Spencer and Ryan. Ryan

1867
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:46,639
Speaker 3: got chlorine poisoning because we were.

1868
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:50,680
Speaker 1: In got deeper dehydrated in the jacuzzi for like three hours.

1869
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:53,520
Speaker 1: How long was that show? So we did a podcast

1870
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 1: from the jacuzzi. We had four microphones set up. Yeah,

1871
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,639
Speaker 1: you miked up the jacuzz miked up the jacuz We'll

1872
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 1: put in some audio in post here, but miked it up.

1873
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 1: It was a three hour show. Yeah, it is a

1874
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 1: three hour show that we did, and I think we

1875
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:09,720
Speaker 1: cut it up into two distinct parts. But that's I mean,

1876
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,439
Speaker 1: that's sort of indicative of what and who we are.

1877
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 1: Like if you listen to the Paul Fine Bomb Show,

1878
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:18,440
Speaker 1: if you listen to whoever they're taking calls, it's straightforward,

1879
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 1: it's whatever. We're doing shows from Jacuzi's. We're doing shows

1880
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 1: with Lex Steele.

1881
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 3: We're trying weird stuff that no one else is necessarily

1882
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 3: trying to do.

1883
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're doing Google hangouts for my parents. Like it

1884
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:32,720
Speaker 1: was just really really weird stuff. If there is a

1885
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:35,760
Speaker 1: technology platform out there we are, we are on it.

1886
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 1: So twenty fourteen, the big thing was hanging out at

1887
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 1: your place in Rose Bull. You get to meet your family,

1888
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 1: hang out at the house that you grew up in.

1889
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 1: We do a bunch of shows out there. Twenty fifteen,

1890
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 1: we go back to south By Southwest again, did a

1891
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 1: podcast with Bruce and Spencer. Yeah, hung out of the

1892
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:55,680
Speaker 1: four seasons, got to meet Bill Simmons, tell them that

1893
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 1: we were Yeah, this podcast network. You employed us but

1894
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 1: didn't pay us, And I mean that was it was.

1895
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 1: It was awesome, It was all cool. It was cool.

1896
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 3: We also in twenty fifteen announced kind of this loose

1897
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 3: partnership with Espionation, which people have also asked us about.

1898
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 1: We're not part of Espianation. We've gotten tweets by the way, No,

1899
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 1: we're not part of Espianation. It's a distribution deal. It's

1900
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:18,439
Speaker 1: just you know, I work here. We all like each other,

1901
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:20,600
Speaker 1: let's all. You know. We put our show on the

1902
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 1: Chorus platform. We've gotten tweets of like, I don't know,

1903
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 1: you guys just start the same. Since you went to Espenation,

1904
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 1: let me tell you about how many notes I've gotten

1905
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:34,600
Speaker 1: about the contents of this show. Positive, negative, wondering if

1906
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:40,639
Speaker 1: it's still happening. Zero notes. I've gotten zero opinions about

1907
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 1: what we're doing here and what we should or shouldn't

1908
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 1: be doing. We it's full autonomy. So if we're not

1909
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 1: as good as we used to be because we have

1910
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 1: a distribution deal with Espanation, it's only our fault. It's

1911
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 1: entirely it's we are just bad now.

1912
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,720
Speaker 3: Also started a newsletter in twenty fifteen and oh, by

1913
01:31:57,760 --> 01:31:58,719
Speaker 3: the way, I gotten married.

1914
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got married in twenty fifteen. Apparently people are

1915
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 1: still upset at me for questioning the food at your wedding.

1916
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 1: It wasn't the food at the wedding. The comment, the

1917
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 1: comment that got people yeah, was not the food at

1918
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 1: the wedding. Uh huh.

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Speaker 3: The comment that you made was that the food at

1920
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Speaker 3: the wedding was good. I didn't feel so good the

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Speaker 3: morning after. Really, that was the comment.

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Speaker 1: That was the comment. Why you're only bringing this up now?

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Speaker 1: That was a comment that did people in. Wasn't the music.

1924
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Speaker 1: That's probably my fault. Wasn't the food.

1925
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Speaker 3: It was that you implied that maybe got me sick

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Speaker 3: at the wedding, got you sick?

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Speaker 1: That's fine. I make a lot of bad food decisions,

1928
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Speaker 1: so it was probably mine. But everybody still loves you. Yeh. Yeah,

1929
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm mostly playing this up for show, but sure. We

1930
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Speaker 1: did a live show in twenty sixteen at the National Championship.

1931
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Speaker 1: So we're originally with a company called podcast one for advertising,

1932
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:47,000
Speaker 1: and then we found a company that was a better

1933
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 1: fit for us in mid Roll Midroll, And we've been

1934
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 1: with and have been very thrilled with mid Roll since

1935
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 1: and they'd been great. They provide us with advertisements and

1936
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:57,920
Speaker 1: whatever and a lot of the like when Ty and

1937
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 1: I endorsed the products, we have turned down products like

1938
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 1: gambling sites and financial advisors and stuff like that, just

1939
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 1: like we're not going to try to convince people to

1940
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 1: trust this weird startup we know nothing about with their money.

1941
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 1: So when we endorse things like, for instance, do we

1942
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 1: have a sponsor for this show? Is this a good

1943
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 1: proper cloth? Yeah, we have proper cloth. I wore a

1944
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:19,280
Speaker 1: proper cloth shirt yesterday and it was super It fit

1945
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 1: me really really well, and I'm going to wear it

1946
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:24,840
Speaker 1: undersuits and I don't know anything about suit shirts, and

1947
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:27,680
Speaker 1: they said that, hey, here's a suit shirt that's going

1948
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 1: to fit you really well. Would you like to try

1949
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Speaker 1: it on.

1950
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Speaker 3: I say yes, and it worked, And the mattress that

1951
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 3: I got for free has cured me of whatever woes

1952
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 3: I had going on physically when I was asleep on

1953
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 3: the old mattress.

1954
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 1: So we try to like, actually, I'm wearing an MVMT

1955
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Speaker 1: watch as we speak.

1956
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:50,080
Speaker 3: We try to actually use these things before we endorse them.

1957
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:53,719
Speaker 3: But mid roll has been great, and as the show

1958
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:57,600
Speaker 3: has gotten bigger, yeah, we have made more in the

1959
01:33:57,640 --> 01:33:58,479
Speaker 3: way of ad.

1960
01:33:58,280 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 1: Revenue off this. Now.

1961
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:02,519
Speaker 3: People all always ask me specifically, well, when are you

1962
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:04,360
Speaker 3: going to quit the mysterious day job to do this?

1963
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 3: I don't know if that will ever happen right right now,

1964
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:10,639
Speaker 3: we do well enough like it would sort of be

1965
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 3: a pretty good part time job.

1966
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:15,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a nice for one person. For one person,

1967
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:18,640
Speaker 1: it's a nice part time or like a chunk on

1968
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 1: top of your income right now. But by no means

1969
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:23,800
Speaker 1: are we ready to leave.

1970
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Speaker 3: It is not something that would be a financially sound decision,

1971
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:31,800
Speaker 3: especially for both of us now that we are both married. Yes,

1972
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:34,760
Speaker 3: both have to think about someone else beyond ourselves. So,

1973
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Speaker 3: but that was twenty fifteen.

1974
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Speaker 1: Although I'm always looking to become a kept boy, right right,

1975
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 1: I've always looked for for that.

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01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:42,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty sixteen, excuse me, So we did. We did

1977
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 3: a live show at the National Championship. We did our

1978
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:48,679
Speaker 3: Verbie's megaproduction, which I'm still very proud of, so great.

1979
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 1: Not actually at Radio City Music Hall.

1980
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 3: There took weeks, three weeks to be exact, to try

1981
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 3: and mix that guy up. We did an Espianation radio

1982
01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:00,960
Speaker 3: show every morning, every Saturday morning. It was on the

1983
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:05,760
Speaker 3: Espianation radio waves. After Espimation acquired Yahoo Sports Radio gave

1984
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:08,680
Speaker 3: us exposure to a different audience. And then there's all

1985
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 3: the stuff that we did over the last year. You know,

1986
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:12,920
Speaker 3: we did a first paid live show at hill Country

1987
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 3: Chicken in New York City. You got married, and we're

1988
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:20,559
Speaker 3: going to be doing another live show in the coming

1989
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:26,799
Speaker 3: week plural which we're at time of recording, yet to announce.

1990
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:29,360
Speaker 3: But we've got our show on Spotify. We're going to

1991
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:31,240
Speaker 3: do a new logo, we're going to do new site.

1992
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna do some new shirts. Is there. Okay, So

1993
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 1: not to cut you off, but the same somewhat related

1994
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:41,680
Speaker 1: people want to know when you felt or when we

1995
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:44,080
Speaker 1: felt that, you know, oh my god, this person is

1996
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 1: listening or these people are listening, or wow, we've really

1997
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 1: sort of made it? Is there? Like, is it the

1998
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 1: the IOWA on game Day thing? Is it? You know

1999
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:52,639
Speaker 1: what is it?

2000
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:54,719
Speaker 3: It's been, It's been a couple of things. The video

2001
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:58,240
Speaker 3: on ESPN News to me was confirmation that, like you said,

2002
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:00,680
Speaker 3: we had our finger on the pulse of what was

2003
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 3: funny and what was Yeah, getting our little meme on

2004
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 3: game Day wasn't a feather in the cap, you know,

2005
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:10,120
Speaker 3: It wasn't any kind of great source of validation again,

2006
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:14,639
Speaker 3: more just affirmation that, hey, I broader audience really does

2007
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:17,519
Speaker 3: find what we're doing funny. The big thing for me

2008
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:19,920
Speaker 3: was having our show as an ad in the New

2009
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 3: York Times.

2010
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was great.

2011
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 3: I have that ad cut out and to this day

2012
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:28,880
Speaker 3: I'm still trying to frame it because it's kind of

2013
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:31,120
Speaker 3: oddly shaped, but yeah, it's pinned to a.

2014
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:32,879
Speaker 1: Bulletin board in my old bedroom.

2015
01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:35,839
Speaker 3: To me, that was like the ultimate source of validation.

2016
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:38,960
Speaker 3: And that was the moment when we started doing things

2017
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 3: with Grantlin, when we started getting you know, more a

2018
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 3: sense for who was out there. That to me, I

2019
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 3: think was a bigger deal than any one person emailing

2020
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 3: and I'm always sort of taken by any media member

2021
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 3: that listens to us. For me, I still feel like

2022
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 3: we're just two guys like college football. I don't consider

2023
01:36:57,320 --> 01:36:58,880
Speaker 3: myself an expert. I know you don't either.

2024
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:01,559
Speaker 1: I do. I definitely do consider myself an expert. How

2025
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 1: dare you?

2026
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:04,160
Speaker 3: But I mean, you know what I mean, Like, I

2027
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 3: take way more from the guy in Afghanistan who's like

2028
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 3: on the front lines it's so cool and emails us

2029
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 3: and says, hey, man, I listen to you guys when

2030
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 3: I'm out of patrol than I do any media members

2031
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 3: do that by the way, Yeah right, all right, pay attention.

2032
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 3: But I mean that to me is really meaningful. And

2033
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:26,719
Speaker 3: I don't care so much about who listens. I care

2034
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:30,599
Speaker 3: more about how we affect the people that actually do listen.

2035
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 3: And so whether you're out on patrol or you're out

2036
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 3: like Stephen Godfrey cutting his grass, or if you put

2037
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 3: us on in the same room as your child who's

2038
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:42,360
Speaker 3: trying to fall asleep, I am fascinated by those little

2039
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 3: stories about how we connect with people more so than

2040
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:46,160
Speaker 3: I am the actual people.

2041
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:50,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, I the things that mean the most to

2042
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:53,400
Speaker 1: me as far our reach with the show is like

2043
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:55,720
Speaker 1: when I get stopped on the street. There was a

2044
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:57,680
Speaker 1: guy who took off his earbuds on the train the

2045
01:37:57,720 --> 01:38:00,679
Speaker 1: New York City Subway who saw me on the train

2046
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:02,880
Speaker 1: took off his earbuds and said, I'm listening to you

2047
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,880
Speaker 1: right now, which is weird but at the same time

2048
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:08,360
Speaker 1: so cool. It was so cool when Katie the Kapper

2049
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 1: Katie works at Vox Media. She came on our show

2050
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:15,639
Speaker 1: a couple of times and she was at her boy

2051
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:19,679
Speaker 1: her then boyfriend now husband's place with his roommate and

2052
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 1: they were listening to the show while they were cooking,

2053
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:25,280
Speaker 1: and Katie was like, Oh, that's Dan. I was on

2054
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:27,240
Speaker 1: that show. I was on that podcast. And he said

2055
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 1: what do you mean. He was like, and Katie was like, Oh,

2056
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:32,639
Speaker 1: I'm Katie the Kapper and that blew his mind. That

2057
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:36,519
Speaker 1: blue Like those are moments where I'm like, we have infiltrated, yeah,

2058
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:38,599
Speaker 1: and it's so cool to hear that, Like we're part

2059
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 1: of people's lives, whether you said, like serving overseas or

2060
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 1: just like walking around New York. The military one gets

2061
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 1: me and you know, I don't have any We've heard

2062
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 1: from coaches that listen that that's like so weird to me,

2063
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 1: but it's cool.

2064
01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't have any connection otherwise to

2065
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:55,640
Speaker 3: the military. Everyone's thankful for the church and all that,

2066
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:57,840
Speaker 3: but especially Cam Newton of course.

2067
01:38:57,960 --> 01:38:58,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2068
01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:01,439
Speaker 3: But you know, I for some reason that that kind

2069
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:04,920
Speaker 3: of connection has always been something like wow, And whenever

2070
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 3: I have these thoughts of like, maybe we should pack

2071
01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:09,760
Speaker 3: this in right, maybe maybe I'm maybe I'm doing this

2072
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:12,800
Speaker 3: for not it's stuff like that that I that I

2073
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:15,080
Speaker 3: think of when we did our live show, our first

2074
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:20,000
Speaker 3: live show back in January. The connection that we apparently

2075
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:23,760
Speaker 3: have to our audience is not something that I think

2076
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 3: we're really exposed to a whole lot. When we're doing

2077
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 3: this from your dark corner at the office or my

2078
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 3: dark corner, my makeshift studio in my townhouse back in

2079
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 3: in Allentown. That kind of thing, to me is really

2080
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:40,240
Speaker 3: redeeming and it's really validation that that we're onto something.

2081
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:44,120
Speaker 3: But it is a question that I think keeps recurring.

2082
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:48,200
Speaker 3: Where does the show go? Where does the show go?

2083
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:52,519
Speaker 3: Where do you see the show going in the next year,

2084
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:55,439
Speaker 3: two years, three years, four years, five, I don't know

2085
01:39:55,479 --> 01:39:57,560
Speaker 3: how many years. I don't know if either one of

2086
01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:00,320
Speaker 3: us can answer that, But where where is it that

2087
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:03,519
Speaker 3: you hope to take this now? And how often do

2088
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:05,360
Speaker 3: you think about whether or not this is something we

2089
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:06,080
Speaker 3: should keep doing.

2090
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 1: I never doubt it anymore. I want to keep it.

2091
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:11,200
Speaker 1: It's just fun for me. It's it's not really too

2092
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:13,160
Speaker 1: much work for me. But you do more back end stuff.

2093
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:14,880
Speaker 1: I do more of, like the booking of guests and

2094
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 1: the networking to get people on the show, and figuring

2095
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:19,640
Speaker 1: out social media, social media shops, and like coming up

2096
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 1: with the weird games we play in the off season.

2097
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 1: That's a lot of what I do, but I obviously

2098
01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:26,320
Speaker 1: contributes a ton to that as well. I would like

2099
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:28,280
Speaker 1: to keep doing live shows. I'd like to keep doing

2100
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:30,960
Speaker 1: a couple of shows during the season, every show a week,

2101
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:33,760
Speaker 1: you know, a weekly show during the off season. I'd

2102
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:35,799
Speaker 1: like to figure out ways in which we can extend

2103
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:38,880
Speaker 1: the brand, whether it's you know, merchandising, whatever, the shirts

2104
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:40,840
Speaker 1: that we create, I design all of those. If you

2105
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:43,960
Speaker 1: don't like it, I apologize, but and then you know,

2106
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 1: figuring out We've spoken to a number of production companies,

2107
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:48,320
Speaker 1: not just networks, but production companies that come up with

2108
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:50,799
Speaker 1: shows that we really like in sports and outside of sports,

2109
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:53,280
Speaker 1: and they're enthusiastic about the show, so figuring out some

2110
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:56,440
Speaker 1: sort of video or TV platform. We've had these opportunities

2111
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:58,400
Speaker 1: to figure out the right fit and to go from

2112
01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:01,880
Speaker 1: there and grow the footprint the show that way. Yeah,

2113
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:02,840
Speaker 1: what about your TI.

2114
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:07,559
Speaker 3: The question that I have gotten more than any other

2115
01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:10,280
Speaker 3: has been a how do you get the audit quality?

2116
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:12,920
Speaker 3: Which we could talk about what is talk about that?

2117
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:16,880
Speaker 3: With the questions, Yeah, but when are you quitting the

2118
01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:20,320
Speaker 3: day job? Why do you still work the mysterious day job?

2119
01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:23,519
Speaker 3: The short answer is you need the money. The longer

2120
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:26,120
Speaker 3: answer is that I actually like the day job. I

2121
01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:29,320
Speaker 3: like the people I work with. If the opportunity ever

2122
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:33,800
Speaker 3: presented itself that I could focus entirely on this, I'd

2123
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:34,360
Speaker 3: love to do that.

2124
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:36,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was a little kid, he went to

2125
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:37,519
Speaker 1: IT camp. That's right.

2126
01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:39,559
Speaker 3: I'd be crazy. We'd be crazy not to try and

2127
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:42,040
Speaker 3: pursue it. It's been such a huge chunk of our lives.

2128
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:47,840
Speaker 1: At this point, I think we're very much on the

2129
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:50,680
Speaker 1: same page about where we'd like to take it. There

2130
01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:53,759
Speaker 1: are definitely times when I lose patients in that process

2131
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:55,519
Speaker 1: because it's a lot of hurry up and wait.

2132
01:41:56,840 --> 01:41:58,720
Speaker 3: I think we can do it. I know we can

2133
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:00,800
Speaker 3: do it, and I think personally, I've learned a lot

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Speaker 3: from this journey. When we had the opportunity to be

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01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:08,200
Speaker 3: part of Grantland. If I go back and listen, I

2136
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:13,080
Speaker 3: paid way closer attention to things like hardcore stats than

2137
01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:15,880
Speaker 3: I do now. I kind of tightened up knowing that

2138
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:18,439
Speaker 3: there was a bigger audience that was paying attention to

2139
01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:23,439
Speaker 3: what we were doing. Now, in retrospect, I think I

2140
01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:25,679
Speaker 3: could have done a much better job, and I think

2141
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 3: I'm better at doing this because of that, knowing what

2142
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:32,320
Speaker 3: that experience was like. And I think if an opportunity

2143
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:35,679
Speaker 3: ever comes well to present itself where we can turn

2144
01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:37,960
Speaker 3: this into a video thing or a bigger audio thing,

2145
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:40,719
Speaker 3: I don't know, I think I'll have a better sense

2146
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:43,720
Speaker 3: for what will work and what won't work. So I

2147
01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:47,639
Speaker 3: think I am probably less apt to say let's pack

2148
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:51,040
Speaker 3: it in now than I would have been then, just

2149
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:53,479
Speaker 3: because I feel better about where we're at as a

2150
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:57,760
Speaker 3: show given past experience. But it is hard sometimes it is.

2151
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 3: It's still hard, it's still grind. I think now it's

2152
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 3: flipped a little bit, and it's harder during the season

2153
01:43:03,479 --> 01:43:04,639
Speaker 3: for me personally than.

2154
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:05,479
Speaker 1: It is in the off season.

2155
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:08,280
Speaker 3: Because the off season, we've developed a rhythm, we know

2156
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:11,400
Speaker 3: what works, we know the kinds of thematic shows that

2157
01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:15,080
Speaker 3: people like to listen to, and it's more muscle memory

2158
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:17,599
Speaker 3: for us. Not that we're mailing it in in any

2159
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:20,240
Speaker 3: of those off season shows, right, We're absolutely not speak

2160
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 3: for yourself. But during the season it's a grind. You

2161
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:27,639
Speaker 3: miss parties, you miss well if you do do doing

2162
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:29,920
Speaker 3: things during the week, and if you don't miss parties

2163
01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:32,679
Speaker 3: during the season, you miss games, you miss game, which

2164
01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:33,360
Speaker 3: hurts the show.

2165
01:43:33,439 --> 01:43:34,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's both of us.

2166
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:37,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a constant balancing act for us during the season.

2167
01:43:38,439 --> 01:43:42,240
Speaker 3: And there's definitely a point every year around week seven

2168
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:44,280
Speaker 3: where I'm like, shit.

2169
01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:47,320
Speaker 1: That there's another at nine weeks left? How am I?

2170
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:48,559
Speaker 1: How am I going to do this? How am I

2171
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:50,560
Speaker 1: going to sell this to my wife? Yeah?

2172
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:54,479
Speaker 3: Who is the ultimate good soldier for understanding yeah about

2173
01:43:54,479 --> 01:43:58,960
Speaker 3: this And it has always been incredibly supportive. Mom h

2174
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:02,639
Speaker 3: always asks the quot question like if you have kids someday,

2175
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:04,880
Speaker 3: how's that going to factor in? I don't have answers

2176
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:05,320
Speaker 3: to any of those.

2177
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:08,040
Speaker 1: You would be the first podcaster to have children, the

2178
01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:11,400
Speaker 1: very first even find a spouse that's the sequel to

2179
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:14,479
Speaker 1: Children of Men, Children of Podcaster. So it's a balancing

2180
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:17,840
Speaker 1: act and it's something that each and every year is

2181
01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:22,840
Speaker 1: a kind of unchartered frontier in that you have to

2182
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:26,000
Speaker 1: reinvent ways to make it all come together. But I'm

2183
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:28,200
Speaker 1: confident in what we have. I like what we have.

2184
01:44:28,360 --> 01:44:30,800
Speaker 1: But that's the difference. That is the difference that we've

2185
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:32,680
Speaker 1: established with our show and other shows. Not that we

2186
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:35,080
Speaker 1: are better broadcasters, not that we're funnier, not that that

2187
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:38,920
Speaker 1: we know more stats, we hit record more often. That

2188
01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:41,160
Speaker 1: is the thing, like we feel, and like there are

2189
01:44:41,200 --> 01:44:45,000
Speaker 1: there have been times where we get feedback that people

2190
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:46,800
Speaker 1: are so happy that when they go to work on

2191
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:49,400
Speaker 1: Monday that our show's already there. And we used to

2192
01:44:49,439 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 1: do recap shows on Monday. Now we get up early

2193
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 1: on Sundays. And so yes, we make money doing it,

2194
01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:58,120
Speaker 1: and but we did this before. We made money, and

2195
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:00,840
Speaker 1: we're not doing it solely to make the money. No

2196
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:05,720
Speaker 1: we're not. But I'm just saying it's it doesn't you know,

2197
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:08,120
Speaker 1: waking up. I wake up at six am on Sundays,

2198
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:09,920
Speaker 1: both for the day job and for the solid verbal

2199
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 1: to do three or four hours of research. And it's

2200
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:17,040
Speaker 1: both because I feel when I'm doing a show and

2201
01:45:17,080 --> 01:45:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm not prepared, it feels terrible, and I know I'm

2202
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:22,960
Speaker 1: putting out a bad product and it's happened. So it

2203
01:45:23,080 --> 01:45:27,200
Speaker 1: feels really good that our show is out twenty eight

2204
01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:30,080
Speaker 1: hours before and it's not really competitors because we're friends

2205
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 1: with all of these people.

2206
01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:35,280
Speaker 3: This is the thing that I think gets lost in translation.

2207
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:38,680
Speaker 3: Maybe because you and I play off each other as

2208
01:45:38,720 --> 01:45:41,120
Speaker 3: well as we do, and we try to put together

2209
01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:41,880
Speaker 3: a friendly show.

2210
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:43,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't.

2211
01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:45,519
Speaker 3: You're right, I don't look at any other college football

2212
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:47,719
Speaker 3: show and I don't care if it's a big show. Yeah,

2213
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:49,760
Speaker 3: like any of the ones your espionation. I like all

2214
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:50,200
Speaker 3: those guys.

2215
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:52,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, full Cast, the Shutdown Forecast. They're funnier than.

2216
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:55,840
Speaker 3: We All of those guys we've had on our show,

2217
01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:58,080
Speaker 3: and we are more than happy to promote their show.

2218
01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:01,800
Speaker 3: Our philosophy has always been the rising tide lists all boats.

2219
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:04,040
Speaker 3: You know, We've been fighting this battle for so long

2220
01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:07,800
Speaker 3: just to get recognition for the word podcast. To have

2221
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:11,400
Speaker 3: more of them, have more good ones of them is

2222
01:46:11,439 --> 01:46:15,360
Speaker 3: a good thing for us ultimately. So I've never had

2223
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:19,559
Speaker 3: this like this, this jealousy towards any other shows.

2224
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:23,519
Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, well full Cast got that forward sponsor.

2225
01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:24,120
Speaker 1: We don't care.

2226
01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:27,600
Speaker 3: We want to be ranked higher, But ultimately it's not

2227
01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:30,200
Speaker 3: because we want to try and beat out Bruce and

2228
01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:32,320
Speaker 3: Stew or anybody else.

2229
01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:34,240
Speaker 1: I want to point out, we just we've outlasted We

2230
01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:36,719
Speaker 1: have outlasted Brus and Stew. That's another story altogether.

2231
01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:40,360
Speaker 3: What does not come through, though, is how competitive you

2232
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:43,400
Speaker 3: and I are. Yeah, that's true, and how obsessive compulsive

2233
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:45,760
Speaker 3: you and I are when it comes to trying to

2234
01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:48,200
Speaker 3: put content out there that we think people are really

2235
01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:52,599
Speaker 3: going to care about. And I think people most people

2236
01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:54,080
Speaker 3: who listen to the show know that I'm doing a

2237
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:56,240
Speaker 3: lot of the back end stuff, and they have an

2238
01:46:56,240 --> 01:46:59,679
Speaker 3: appreciation for the kind of audio quality that we're putting

2239
01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:04,280
Speaker 3: out there. What doesn't come through is how nutso you are,

2240
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:10,280
Speaker 3: how nuts so you are for trying to put something

2241
01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:14,120
Speaker 3: out there that's a little bit different, a little bit quirky.

2242
01:47:15,080 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 3: I don't know why people don't give you credit for that.

2243
01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:21,519
Speaker 3: It's cool, but people don't give you enough credit for that. Dan,

2244
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:26,840
Speaker 3: you very much are a creative engine that gives this

2245
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:30,880
Speaker 3: show a dimension that I couldn't give it on my own.

2246
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:34,799
Speaker 3: We have always been this thing where I am trying

2247
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:39,400
Speaker 3: always to pull it back onto college football or back

2248
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:43,800
Speaker 3: into some kind of serious and paced and structured format,

2249
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:46,679
Speaker 3: and you are always, ever so desperately trying to pull

2250
01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:48,559
Speaker 3: it as hard as you can away from that. Yeah,

2251
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:52,280
Speaker 3: and that push pull makes us what we are. What

2252
01:47:52,360 --> 01:47:54,479
Speaker 3: people don't see is what goes in behind the scenes.

2253
01:47:55,080 --> 01:47:57,280
Speaker 1: A lot of Google docs, a lot of Google docs,

2254
01:47:57,680 --> 01:48:00,760
Speaker 1: a lot of weird ideas, and I think a lot

2255
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:05,439
Speaker 1: of just obsessive compulsiveness on your end to try and

2256
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:08,000
Speaker 1: come up with something that's a little different it actually is.

2257
01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:10,639
Speaker 1: It physically pains me if we go a week without recording.

2258
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:14,160
Speaker 1: It's like on my honeymoon when Bob Stoops retired, I

2259
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:16,080
Speaker 1: was like, God, should I call Tie? It's four in

2260
01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:19,519
Speaker 1: the morning there, But yeah, no, it's totally true, and

2261
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:21,960
Speaker 1: that I just I want to work at work everybody.

2262
01:48:22,240 --> 01:48:26,599
Speaker 3: We have had conversations not just with like production companies

2263
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:29,439
Speaker 3: on the video front or wherever, yeah, but also with

2264
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:33,680
Speaker 3: like podcast networks, because podcast networks have been awesome. And

2265
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:36,360
Speaker 3: one of the things that many podcast networks will tell

2266
01:48:36,360 --> 01:48:38,000
Speaker 3: you if you go and talk to them is that

2267
01:48:38,040 --> 01:48:40,840
Speaker 3: they can help you with the production of your show, right,

2268
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:43,560
Speaker 3: they can help you. Yeah, and for that they'll take money.

2269
01:48:43,680 --> 01:48:45,160
Speaker 3: They'll take money, but they can help you and they

2270
01:48:45,160 --> 01:48:46,360
Speaker 3: do a good job. There are a lot of really

2271
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:50,439
Speaker 3: good ones out there now. But it requires you to

2272
01:48:50,520 --> 01:48:52,000
Speaker 3: turn over those keys.

2273
01:48:52,120 --> 01:48:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, not a chance.

2274
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:56,479
Speaker 3: And I've considered it as like, oh, you know, it's

2275
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:59,360
Speaker 3: hard for me during the season to try to manage

2276
01:48:59,400 --> 01:49:03,479
Speaker 3: life and the sh and the thought of turning over

2277
01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:06,840
Speaker 3: those keys is painful.

2278
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:10,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure is painful. I see the goosebumps on you.

2279
01:49:10,479 --> 01:49:14,120
Speaker 3: I cannot do it. This is very much our baby.

2280
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:17,800
Speaker 3: For me to turn over those keys, those production keys,

2281
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:20,479
Speaker 3: to anyone else, not to say that someone else couldn't

2282
01:49:20,479 --> 01:49:22,439
Speaker 3: do it better. I'm always trying to find a way

2283
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:25,720
Speaker 3: to make this sound a little better. But I know

2284
01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:28,679
Speaker 3: the beats, I know the rhythms. We know each other

2285
01:49:28,720 --> 01:49:31,720
Speaker 3: so well. To turn that over to someone else is

2286
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:34,200
Speaker 3: like I would incur a physical ailment.

2287
01:49:34,240 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 1: At this point, I believe that you want to do

2288
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:38,240
Speaker 1: some questions real quick. Let's do it. We'll go out

2289
01:49:38,240 --> 01:49:42,160
Speaker 1: because we've we're at about two hours, about a couple hours, okay,

2290
01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:46,040
Speaker 1: a negative feedback. How do we respond to it? How

2291
01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:48,519
Speaker 1: did we respond to it. Initially, I can answer this

2292
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:51,240
Speaker 1: that I used to be way more of a dick,

2293
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:55,000
Speaker 1: both via email and social media. Our Twitter account is

2294
01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:58,160
Speaker 1: much tamer now. Yeah, I take it personally because we

2295
01:49:58,160 --> 01:50:00,439
Speaker 1: put so much time into the show and if it's

2296
01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:02,320
Speaker 1: just like me saying North Carolina was good and a

2297
01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:06,519
Speaker 1: North Carolina State fan saying you're in now, I took

2298
01:50:06,520 --> 01:50:07,080
Speaker 1: it personally.

2299
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:12,679
Speaker 3: I used to be when we started doing this show,

2300
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:16,000
Speaker 3: the kind of person on Twitter who would for kicks

2301
01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:19,120
Speaker 3: cut other people down. And there are a lot of

2302
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:20,360
Speaker 3: people out there who still do that.

2303
01:50:20,439 --> 01:50:21,320
Speaker 1: We've grown up, tie.

2304
01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:24,759
Speaker 3: Maybe it's because you grow up and get a little wiser.

2305
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:28,519
Speaker 3: Maybe it's because you've been we've been doing this for

2306
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:30,639
Speaker 3: a while now and we kind of know what it's

2307
01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:31,680
Speaker 3: like to be on the other end of that.

2308
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:34,000
Speaker 1: I don't do that anymore.

2309
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:37,920
Speaker 3: I don't do that anymore because no matter what people say,

2310
01:50:37,920 --> 01:50:42,160
Speaker 3: they read it, and unless you're like a megastar and

2311
01:50:42,200 --> 01:50:45,519
Speaker 3: someone else handles your Twitter, it always has a little

2312
01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:47,599
Speaker 3: bit of an effect on you. It's not the kind

2313
01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:50,759
Speaker 3: of thing that causes me to lose any sleep. And certainly,

2314
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:53,280
Speaker 3: if it's a content thing and opinion driven a thing,

2315
01:50:54,280 --> 01:50:57,600
Speaker 3: reasonable minds can disagree. But if you're coming at me

2316
01:50:57,680 --> 01:51:00,960
Speaker 3: because you don't like the way that something sounded, or

2317
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:03,800
Speaker 3: you know you should put more production muscle behind this,

2318
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:07,400
Speaker 3: but you don't have any real feedback as to how

2319
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:10,639
Speaker 3: it's just a throwaway comment because you feel the need

2320
01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 3: to make that comment. That's the kind of thing that

2321
01:51:13,439 --> 01:51:15,680
Speaker 3: that ultimately pisses me off more than anything else. If

2322
01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:18,679
Speaker 3: you disagree with me, if I missed a fact, then hey,

2323
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:21,080
Speaker 3: I mean that that's just the way this goes sometimes.

2324
01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:23,840
Speaker 3: But you mispronounce a Polynesian last name, like, yeah, I

2325
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:25,479
Speaker 3: mean that that kind of thing happens.

2326
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:27,000
Speaker 1: I will try. I believe me.

2327
01:51:27,200 --> 01:51:29,240
Speaker 3: I will try harder next time to try and get

2328
01:51:29,240 --> 01:51:32,160
Speaker 3: it right. If I make a dumb mistake, that's on me.

2329
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:35,000
Speaker 3: But if it's just a comment to try and like

2330
01:51:35,240 --> 01:51:39,240
Speaker 3: assert your dominance over us, or you want to try

2331
01:51:39,240 --> 01:51:41,559
Speaker 3: it like, that's the kind of thing that it's like,

2332
01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:42,600
Speaker 3: go away, dude.

2333
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:47,400
Speaker 1: You know. Favorite guest, Oh God, I can tell you

2334
01:51:47,439 --> 01:51:50,400
Speaker 1: our early favorite guest was early favorite. Early favorite was

2335
01:51:50,479 --> 01:51:54,760
Speaker 1: Jed Williams oh Wow, who worked for an ACC affiliated

2336
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:57,400
Speaker 1: outlet did radio stuff in North Carolina. He was a

2337
01:51:57,439 --> 01:52:01,160
Speaker 1: friend of camera guy Dave Dave's Trump who works now

2338
01:52:01,200 --> 01:52:04,920
Speaker 1: for the Dodgers Network. Just an ACC machine, and I

2339
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:06,640
Speaker 1: think we contacted him once. We didn't hear back from

2340
01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:09,240
Speaker 1: and that was cool. Whatever. We don't hold anything against him,

2341
01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:12,680
Speaker 1: but so great, just a wealth of information when we

2342
01:52:12,680 --> 01:52:14,000
Speaker 1: would do ACC shows.

2343
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:17,360
Speaker 3: It's tough for me to say that anyone's a favorite.

2344
01:52:18,360 --> 01:52:20,640
Speaker 3: We've invited all these people on because they were a

2345
01:52:20,680 --> 01:52:23,280
Speaker 3: favorite of ours in some respect before we even invited

2346
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:28,040
Speaker 3: them on. Right, I may have told our Friendship Patterson

2347
01:52:28,040 --> 01:52:30,400
Speaker 3: that if you ever got hit, if you ever got

2348
01:52:30,479 --> 01:52:33,599
Speaker 3: hit by a bread truck, I would inquire if he

2349
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:36,160
Speaker 3: would like to fill your that's fine your seat.

2350
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:39,360
Speaker 1: I really like Check. He's far more charming than I

2351
01:52:39,720 --> 01:52:42,720
Speaker 1: and I. Yeah, he's a good dude. Yeah, I'd still

2352
01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:46,360
Speaker 1: probably say Bruce just because Yeah, he even early on

2353
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:48,120
Speaker 1: didn't have to give us as much time as he

2354
01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:50,160
Speaker 1: did and always has been super He never had any

2355
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:53,200
Speaker 1: reservations about coming on this show. Yeah, Bruce Feldman never

2356
01:52:53,240 --> 01:52:55,559
Speaker 1: had any reservations about coming on the show. But still

2357
01:52:55,600 --> 01:52:58,599
Speaker 1: like Andy Staples, Spencer Hall, Stu Mandel, all these people,

2358
01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 1: Nicole Auerback, all these people been super generous with their

2359
01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:04,360
Speaker 1: time and it's been great, and we wouldn't be where

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01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:07,080
Speaker 1: we are without them, because part of what goes into

2361
01:53:07,120 --> 01:53:10,559
Speaker 1: inviting a guest on is knowing that they've got a

2362
01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:12,840
Speaker 1: social media following that they can blast this out to

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01:53:14,640 --> 01:53:15,160
Speaker 1: excuse me.

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01:53:15,320 --> 01:53:17,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they don't have the following. If they're not

2365
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:19,439
Speaker 3: willing to come on the show, we're not where we are.

2366
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:23,320
Speaker 1: The most frustrating aspect of producing a show from a

2367
01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:26,840
Speaker 1: technical standpoints, microphone's not working. Finding time when you're both

2368
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:30,639
Speaker 1: free audio not recording time has been you know, generally

2369
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:32,760
Speaker 1: we're on a pretty regular schedule, so that hasn't been

2370
01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:34,920
Speaker 1: too much of an issue in the most recent years.

2371
01:53:35,200 --> 01:53:37,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's way easier now to do a show than

2372
01:53:37,880 --> 01:53:40,320
Speaker 3: it used to be. Yeah, it's way easier now. The

2373
01:53:40,360 --> 01:53:41,679
Speaker 3: technology is there.

2374
01:53:41,840 --> 01:53:44,759
Speaker 1: And by the way people have asked we record separate tracks.

2375
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:47,840
Speaker 1: We record locally and I send my half of the

2376
01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:49,800
Speaker 1: show to Tie and he has a method to sync

2377
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:52,400
Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, it's not as frustrating now as it

2378
01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:53,759
Speaker 1: used to be. Usually.

2379
01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:56,599
Speaker 3: The most frustrating part now is if we're pulling in

2380
01:53:56,920 --> 01:54:01,240
Speaker 3: audio from the guests, someone who's on skype the phone,

2381
01:54:01,439 --> 01:54:03,439
Speaker 3: you can't always get a pretty good fix on how

2382
01:54:03,439 --> 01:54:05,360
Speaker 3: that's going to sound yeah.

2383
01:54:05,200 --> 01:54:10,160
Speaker 1: But beyond that, I think we've gotten it down to

2384
01:54:10,240 --> 01:54:10,920
Speaker 1: a point.

2385
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:15,840
Speaker 3: Where where we're pretty formulaic with how we do the show.

2386
01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:20,880
Speaker 3: In the early days though to Skype's going to cut out, Yeah,

2387
01:54:20,920 --> 01:54:25,040
Speaker 3: you're in California, I'm in eastern Pennsylvania. There's no telling

2388
01:54:25,080 --> 01:54:29,360
Speaker 3: what Skype is going to do. Those shows. Trying to

2389
01:54:29,400 --> 01:54:31,479
Speaker 3: cut them together was always a bit of a challenge.

2390
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:33,840
Speaker 1: How seriously did coaches take you since you weren't really

2391
01:54:33,880 --> 01:54:36,280
Speaker 1: backed by ESPN or some other big media company. We

2392
01:54:36,360 --> 01:54:38,760
Speaker 1: went through go betweens like sids, But when we'd be

2393
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:41,880
Speaker 1: at national championship games, we would have coaches, we would

2394
01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:44,000
Speaker 1: have sids, we'd have staffers because we'd have our like

2395
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:46,680
Speaker 1: little Soliverrble sign as record come by and say oh

2396
01:54:46,840 --> 01:54:48,760
Speaker 1: love you. Guys just wanted to real quick and say hi,

2397
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:51,920
Speaker 1: and that's always super cool. So through the years we've

2398
01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:54,440
Speaker 1: gotten that sort of that sort of feedback, so we've

2399
01:54:54,760 --> 01:54:56,200
Speaker 1: our names have been raised.

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01:54:56,240 --> 01:54:58,720
Speaker 3: It's it's very much on the backs of Bruce Fellmans

2401
01:54:58,920 --> 01:55:01,800
Speaker 3: and having Stuart Man, Ellen Adye Staples and and all

2402
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:03,560
Speaker 3: these guys that have been on the show as guests

2403
01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:05,240
Speaker 3: and in some capacity over the years.

2404
01:55:05,400 --> 01:55:09,040
Speaker 1: Yes, but buh buh buh. How did ties very down

2405
01:55:09,040 --> 01:55:12,120
Speaker 1: to earth, humble and straight laced personality blend so well

2406
01:55:12,120 --> 01:55:15,760
Speaker 1: with Dan's uber, flashy, outgoing and cosmopolitan self, also embodied

2407
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:17,720
Speaker 1: by the teamy roots for and where he's lived. I

2408
01:55:17,720 --> 01:55:19,640
Speaker 1: would expect Dan to be a New York Calley guy

2409
01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:22,840
Speaker 1: for life. Maybe DC or Chicagoy really wants to slum it,

2410
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:25,640
Speaker 1: but that's definitely it for him. I just say, we

2411
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:28,200
Speaker 1: got fortunate. You can never really figure out chemistry, so

2412
01:55:28,360 --> 01:55:31,960
Speaker 1: I think that's an accurate depiction of both of us. No,

2413
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm not flashy at all. I'm not flashy. No, I'm

2414
01:55:34,440 --> 01:55:38,440
Speaker 1: so boring. But I say weird things, and you are,

2415
01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, more down to earth and what you say.

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01:55:40,120 --> 01:55:43,440
Speaker 3: And I think I think, by and large the personalities

2417
01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:45,640
Speaker 3: that we have on our show is.

2418
01:55:45,600 --> 01:55:47,240
Speaker 1: Pretty close to what we are in real life.

2419
01:55:47,400 --> 01:55:50,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I'm a little bit more outgoing, Yes, that

2420
01:55:50,760 --> 01:55:54,280
Speaker 3: have to be on the podcast. I think people get

2421
01:55:55,080 --> 01:55:58,320
Speaker 3: a bad read on you. It's probably honestly, Yeah, I

2422
01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:00,240
Speaker 3: think I think there are a lot of people who

2423
01:56:01,080 --> 01:56:05,400
Speaker 3: they hook on to a controversial thing that you say

2424
01:56:05,640 --> 01:56:09,280
Speaker 3: or an opinion that you have, and they think that

2425
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:14,200
Speaker 3: you're a dick. You're not, I hope not a dick.

2426
01:56:14,280 --> 01:56:17,600
Speaker 3: You're a good guy. You're someone I genuinely enjoy spending

2427
01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:21,960
Speaker 3: time with. You're not that guy that some people think

2428
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:26,920
Speaker 3: you are. Just through doing the show, I think we've

2429
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:29,600
Speaker 3: answered pretty much. I mean, there's a lot of like

2430
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:31,480
Speaker 3: when did you stop? Let me a question you wanted

2431
01:56:31,480 --> 01:56:33,280
Speaker 3: to address. Let me close out with this because we've

2432
01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:35,200
Speaker 3: been doing this for two hours, and if people want

2433
01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:37,400
Speaker 3: to write in solid verbal at gmail dot com, find

2434
01:56:37,480 --> 01:56:41,120
Speaker 3: us on Facebook, on Twitter. We got a bunch of

2435
01:56:41,240 --> 01:56:45,480
Speaker 3: other questions that I or you we will go through

2436
01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:49,080
Speaker 3: wherever you post them, Facebook or even the reddit Subreddit

2437
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:51,200
Speaker 3: would probably be a good place to just put them

2438
01:56:51,200 --> 01:56:54,600
Speaker 3: all down, or email. We'll try to answer all these

2439
01:56:54,640 --> 01:56:56,720
Speaker 3: because we're trying to make a little event out of this.

2440
01:56:56,840 --> 01:56:59,760
Speaker 3: But go to one of those places let us know

2441
01:56:59,800 --> 01:57:02,320
Speaker 3: if you have a question. Yeah, what have you.

2442
01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:08,600
Speaker 1: Learned the most from doing this for ten years? Two

2443
01:57:08,640 --> 01:57:11,040
Speaker 1: things that I've learned the most I have a much

2444
01:57:11,040 --> 01:57:15,000
Speaker 1: better time on the show in or outside of the season,

2445
01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:17,720
Speaker 1: the better prepared I am. I think I'm good off

2446
01:57:17,800 --> 01:57:19,640
Speaker 1: the cuff, but I'm better off the cuff when I

2447
01:57:19,640 --> 01:57:23,560
Speaker 1: already have less sort of my my bullets ready whatever,

2448
01:57:23,600 --> 01:57:25,720
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, that when I am

2449
01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:28,720
Speaker 1: when I am studied or with a loaded guns. Yeah yeah,

2450
01:57:28,720 --> 01:57:31,200
Speaker 1: when I when my arsenal one, when my rep weaponry

2451
01:57:31,240 --> 01:57:34,360
Speaker 1: is good to go, I do a better job. And

2452
01:57:34,440 --> 01:57:36,560
Speaker 1: sometimes I don't have time for that, and it shows

2453
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:40,520
Speaker 1: the other The second thing is when we really zeroed

2454
01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:45,600
Speaker 1: in on the fact that we want to produce a really,

2455
01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:49,240
Speaker 1: really good show that happens to be about college football.

2456
01:57:49,800 --> 01:57:51,840
Speaker 1: When we zeroed in on that more we're just like,

2457
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:54,000
Speaker 1: let's do a good show. We could be doing a

2458
01:57:54,080 --> 01:57:55,880
Speaker 1: knitting show. We could be doing a food show, and

2459
01:57:56,120 --> 01:57:57,920
Speaker 1: sometimes we do do a food show. We could doing

2460
01:57:57,960 --> 01:58:00,760
Speaker 1: a fashion show. But it's the idea of let's put

2461
01:58:00,760 --> 01:58:05,520
Speaker 1: together a really good concept that in our canvas is

2462
01:58:05,560 --> 01:58:09,280
Speaker 1: college football, canvas is podcasting, and the subject is college football.

2463
01:58:09,480 --> 01:58:12,160
Speaker 1: But the idea of let's do a really good show

2464
01:58:12,240 --> 01:58:14,840
Speaker 1: that happens to be about college football, not let's do

2465
01:58:14,840 --> 01:58:17,200
Speaker 1: a college football show, that to me was like the

2466
01:58:17,240 --> 01:58:20,720
Speaker 1: big realization of where we should go and what sort

2467
01:58:20,720 --> 01:58:21,280
Speaker 1: of fuels me.

2468
01:58:21,400 --> 01:58:24,640
Speaker 3: Now Yeah, I mean, I could probably talk until I'm

2469
01:58:24,640 --> 01:58:29,520
Speaker 3: blue in the face about digital media and podcasting and

2470
01:58:30,360 --> 01:58:30,880
Speaker 3: in truth.

2471
01:58:33,200 --> 01:58:34,280
Speaker 1: We were there.

2472
01:58:35,600 --> 01:58:38,800
Speaker 3: At the very beginning of podcasting, which is probably a

2473
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:41,000
Speaker 3: big part of why we're still.

2474
01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:43,120
Speaker 1: Doing it now. Yeah, and why we've grown as big

2475
01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:43,920
Speaker 1: as we have.

2476
01:58:46,480 --> 01:58:49,280
Speaker 3: So I could talk about that in some other medium,

2477
01:58:49,320 --> 01:58:52,360
Speaker 3: I'm sure if people are interested. The thing that I

2478
01:58:52,440 --> 01:58:58,560
Speaker 3: have learned most is really about identity. Two things that

2479
01:58:59,400 --> 01:59:04,680
Speaker 3: I think I I've learned first when I started doing writing,

2480
01:59:04,920 --> 01:59:08,480
Speaker 3: when I started doing any kind of sports media, I

2481
01:59:08,560 --> 01:59:14,040
Speaker 3: always wanted to be the funny man, okay, and no

2482
01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:18,120
Speaker 3: matter how hard I tried, I always ended up being

2483
01:59:18,920 --> 01:59:24,640
Speaker 3: more of the straight laced, traditional pacer, the host, the

2484
01:59:24,720 --> 01:59:27,920
Speaker 3: host of a show, and I always tried to be

2485
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:30,200
Speaker 3: something else. I always wanted to be something else. I

2486
01:59:30,240 --> 01:59:33,320
Speaker 3: always wanted to be what you are, and I never

2487
01:59:33,320 --> 01:59:35,560
Speaker 3: could pull it off. And it's not to say I'm

2488
01:59:35,560 --> 01:59:37,400
Speaker 3: not good at it or couldn't be good at it.

2489
01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:41,680
Speaker 3: But it took me a while to realize that naturally

2490
01:59:41,840 --> 01:59:44,120
Speaker 3: I was better at doing what I've done for us.

2491
01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:47,680
Speaker 3: And I don't know when it hit me, but at

2492
01:59:47,720 --> 01:59:50,800
Speaker 3: some point I got really confident in doing what I

2493
01:59:50,920 --> 01:59:54,320
Speaker 3: do on our show and stop trying to be something else.

2494
01:59:55,080 --> 01:59:58,440
Speaker 3: And for me, that's when I think this It clicked,

2495
01:59:59,480 --> 02:00:03,280
Speaker 3: and we start of putting something together that was reliable

2496
02:00:03,920 --> 02:00:07,800
Speaker 3: and funny in its own way, on a consistent basis.

2497
02:00:08,280 --> 02:00:11,080
Speaker 3: And so the first was the first thing that I

2498
02:00:11,160 --> 02:00:14,040
Speaker 3: learned was just be be confident in what kind of

2499
02:00:14,680 --> 02:00:17,880
Speaker 3: show you think you can just do naturally and comfortably.

2500
02:00:18,440 --> 02:00:20,280
Speaker 3: The second thing that I learned, and I give you

2501
02:00:20,320 --> 02:00:24,200
Speaker 3: total credit for this, I am the kind of person

2502
02:00:24,240 --> 02:00:26,840
Speaker 3: that is always trying to drive forward with anything, not

2503
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:32,360
Speaker 3: like an aggressive corporate executive type. I want to be

2504
02:00:32,400 --> 02:00:35,360
Speaker 3: in charge of the company. That's not really my speed.

2505
02:00:35,400 --> 02:00:39,800
Speaker 3: But if I feel like something goes stagnant, I get

2506
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:45,000
Speaker 3: really upset and not like depressed depressed, but I really

2507
02:00:45,280 --> 02:00:46,600
Speaker 3: like I feel it deeply.

2508
02:00:47,560 --> 02:00:49,160
Speaker 1: And you said something to me.

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02:00:50,200 --> 02:00:52,200
Speaker 3: I want to say at the start of like twenty

2510
02:00:52,600 --> 02:00:57,680
Speaker 3: thirteen or twenty fourteen, we were at that point in

2511
02:00:57,720 --> 02:01:00,240
Speaker 3: time talking to somebody about trying to turn this into

2512
02:01:00,480 --> 02:01:02,680
Speaker 3: like a digital show or a TV show or a

2513
02:01:02,840 --> 02:01:06,200
Speaker 3: ard knows what kind of show, and you made a

2514
02:01:06,240 --> 02:01:11,680
Speaker 3: point to me that there was nothing wrong with owning

2515
02:01:11,800 --> 02:01:15,920
Speaker 3: our own little corner of the Internet and not trying

2516
02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:20,800
Speaker 3: to be a TV show, not trying to be sports Center.

2517
02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:25,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, but just owning what we do and

2518
02:01:25,280 --> 02:01:27,880
Speaker 3: kind of owning our own little corner, our little niche

2519
02:01:27,880 --> 02:01:31,440
Speaker 3: in the digital space. And that really stuck with me

2520
02:01:31,720 --> 02:01:36,280
Speaker 3: nice really truly, I'm I'm speaking truth to power man.

2521
02:01:37,000 --> 02:01:41,440
Speaker 3: That really stuck with me. Cool, and I have to

2522
02:01:41,560 --> 02:01:47,280
Speaker 3: a large degree stopped getting that kind of dark sense

2523
02:01:47,440 --> 02:01:49,800
Speaker 3: if things I feel go stagnant for a little bit

2524
02:01:49,800 --> 02:01:54,560
Speaker 3: in time. I'm very comfortable with where we're at. I'm

2525
02:01:54,640 --> 02:01:55,840
Speaker 3: very happy with what we've done.

2526
02:01:56,120 --> 02:02:00,160
Speaker 1: You've now everybody officially listened to both the history of

2527
02:02:00,160 --> 02:02:03,360
Speaker 1: the solid verbal and the very last solid verbal episode

2528
02:02:04,080 --> 02:02:06,280
Speaker 1: ever to be recorded. You probably didn't know that when

2529
02:02:06,320 --> 02:02:08,720
Speaker 1: you started. But we're done now. I'm just kidding. We're

2530
02:02:08,720 --> 02:02:11,120
Speaker 1: gonna keep going so cool man.

2531
02:02:11,320 --> 02:02:13,680
Speaker 3: Uh you know, I don't know if there I don't know,

2532
02:02:13,720 --> 02:02:15,200
Speaker 3: if we've got ten more good years in US.

2533
02:02:15,240 --> 02:02:17,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if this is Bartola

2534
02:02:17,800 --> 02:02:20,040
Speaker 1: cologne or if this is like, you know, get fat

2535
02:02:20,080 --> 02:02:20,800
Speaker 1: with you. That's fine.

2536
02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:23,400
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, but whatever whatever this ends up being, it's

2537
02:02:23,440 --> 02:02:26,440
Speaker 3: been a fun nine seasons, is going to be an

2538
02:02:26,480 --> 02:02:31,320
Speaker 3: awesome tenth season, and well we'll see where this takes

2539
02:02:31,400 --> 02:02:33,080
Speaker 3: us next. But it's been a hell of a journey

2540
02:02:33,920 --> 02:02:36,120
Speaker 3: and thank you so much for putting up not only

2541
02:02:36,160 --> 02:02:38,320
Speaker 3: with this show, but for many of you out there

2542
02:02:38,320 --> 02:02:42,480
Speaker 3: who I'm sure are listening to the full verbal history

2543
02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:44,800
Speaker 3: of the solid verbal. Thank you for all your support

2544
02:02:44,840 --> 02:02:46,040
Speaker 3: for making us into what we are.

2545
02:02:46,200 --> 02:02:49,720
Speaker 1: If you're still listening, tweet at ty hilden Brands. If

2546
02:02:49,720 --> 02:02:52,560
Speaker 1: you're still listening, t y h I L D E

2547
02:02:52,680 --> 02:02:54,560
Speaker 1: N B R A N D T. Don't tell them

2548
02:02:54,880 --> 02:02:58,080
Speaker 1: where you came from, who sent you, and just tweet Tie,

2549
02:02:58,680 --> 02:03:01,800
Speaker 1: I love you you Tye. Just tweet them that they

2550
02:03:01,920 --> 02:03:04,080
Speaker 1: make me to prove, to prove that you're still listening.

2551
02:03:04,120 --> 02:03:05,640
Speaker 1: So you're list you want to sign off, you want

2552
02:03:05,640 --> 02:03:06,440
Speaker 1: to do? You want to take it?

2553
02:03:06,680 --> 02:03:10,080
Speaker 3: For that guy over there, literally over there, seated to

2554
02:03:10,120 --> 02:03:12,160
Speaker 3: my left, looking very spelt, thank you.

2555
02:03:12,920 --> 02:03:15,640
Speaker 1: His name is Dan Rubinstein. For myself, Tie Hildebrand, thank

2556
02:03:15,680 --> 02:03:18,040
Speaker 1: you so much for listening all these years. We will

2557
02:03:18,040 --> 02:03:24,280
Speaker 1: catch you on a week's stay solid peace. Don't forget

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