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Speaker 1: Let's ride. This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. Hello, everybody,

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Speaker 1: what's up. It's me Jason McIntyre here Straight Fire. Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: December ninth. The winter season is in full swing. We

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Speaker 1: went out and saw some Christmas lights out here in

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Speaker 1: little cover for the best Bet. But the big story

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Speaker 1: today is what's happening Later in the podcast, I had

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Speaker 1: a tremendous interview, and you know Rob g can attest

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Speaker 1: to this. We've done some pretty awesome interviews. I love

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Speaker 1: some other real powerful ones that got past you know,

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Speaker 1: the usual just sports stuff. T J Houshmnzata a guy

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Speaker 1: I've known now for I don't know, three or four years,

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Speaker 1: We had a powerful conversation and man, this guy is

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Speaker 1: super interesting. And even if you're like, oh, is that

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Speaker 1: to do with the ponytail who was on my fantasy

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Speaker 1: to hear his story. Man, it's tremendous. The upbringing that

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Speaker 1: he overcame is pretty incredible. He's an easy guy to

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Speaker 1: And you know, we talked about our battles and Dominos.

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Speaker 1: But we'll get to that later. Uh. Let's quickly start

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Speaker 1: the show as always, remember subscribe, rate and review. UH

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Speaker 1: don't know yet. I will do a Smith giveaway. I

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Speaker 1: the Best Bet was hot in September October. I'm just

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Speaker 1: giving away money. Um. I think we'll do one in December.

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Speaker 1: I think this is the week I get hot, and

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Speaker 1: we give away some money next week. Obviously, the way

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Speaker 1: and the comment winners get paid. In the escalade, Let's

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Speaker 1: get to the Cowboys who got rolled, just drilled by

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Speaker 1: the Ravens. Thirty four seventeen, not really an interesting game.

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of guys Rob on social media

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Speaker 1: coming to me saying, hey, j they need to just

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Speaker 1: I mean, now, I think where Rob and I disagree

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Speaker 1: Jason likes to think he knows everything when it comes

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Speaker 1: to sports. I know what sports fans want, but for

467
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Speaker 1: everything he doesn't, he knows a guy who does. Let's

468
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Speaker 1: just say I know a guy who knows a guy

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Speaker 1: who knows another guy. All right, let's welcome into straight fire,

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Speaker 1: a guy I've known for a few years now. Uh

471
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: from dealing with him at f S one. He's always funny,

472
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: quick witted. Obviously I did not know this. He led

473
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Speaker 1: the NFL and receptions back in two thousand seven. T J.

474
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Speaker 1: Hush Manzada, what's up? Whosh Man? Jason? Was? You know,

475
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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to enjoy life here a little midweek siesta,

476
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Speaker 1: and uh, I figured I got a lot of NFL

477
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Speaker 1: questions to ask. It's been a wacky year, man, It's

478
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Speaker 1: it's just crazy NFL happenings. Obviously, we'll just start with

479
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: the big news that's happening today. Carson Wentz officially has

480
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: been benched. Um, Jalen Hurts taken over. Who's I gotta

481
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Speaker 1: ask you? You played with a star in Carson Palmer? Uh,

482
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Speaker 1: you know, big time guy wanta heispan uh nearly wont

483
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Speaker 1: an m v P in the NFL. Have you ever

484
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: had a situation where the franchise guy got benched for

485
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: the rookie backup? Oh? Never? I mean, we know this.

486
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Speaker 1: This is a rarity, This is an anomalous We don't.

487
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Speaker 1: You don't see this in the league. And the reason

488
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Speaker 1: you don't it is because one the superstar is making

489
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: way too much money and they don't want that money

490
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: on the sidelines, and so they kind of just ride

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Speaker 1: it out. Um. But I think what's going on here

492
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: is the Eagles feel like if they can just be

493
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Speaker 1: competent offensively, they still have a chance to win a division.

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Speaker 1: And so and one day want and I said this

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Speaker 1: three weeks ago. I said this three weeks ago, and

496
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Speaker 1: everybody's now saying it. Um, So I realized people like

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Speaker 1: what I say. They just don't give me credit for

498
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Speaker 1: saying it. Is. If I'm the Eagles, I try to

499
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Speaker 1: trade them to the coach. I said it the coach

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Speaker 1: three weeks ago. He had his best success with Frank Wright,

501
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: or at least everybody were they were given Frank wrighte

502
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Speaker 1: that credit. Trade them to the coach. Philip Rivers, the

503
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Speaker 1: agent quarterback, he's probably done after this year. You get

504
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Speaker 1: some assets. That's if Jalen Hurts can show you he

505
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Speaker 1: can be something. And if he doesn't, well, guess what,

506
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Speaker 1: You're still gonna probably pick in the top six or

507
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Speaker 1: seven of the draft, and you should be able to

508
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Speaker 1: get another franchise quarterback and see if you can put

509
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Speaker 1: a team together with a quarterback that's making very little

510
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Speaker 1: on a ricky contract and put the guys around him,

511
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Speaker 1: whether that's Jalen Hurts or someone else. But yeah, we

512
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Speaker 1: don't see this often because normally that franchise quarterback doesn't

513
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Speaker 1: play as poorly as Carson Wentz has played. Either. I'm

514
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Speaker 1: just trying to take the audience into that locker room. Okay, guys,

515
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: making like thirty, what does he make a thirty million

516
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: dollars some obscene amount of money. They signed a four year,

517
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty eight million dollar extension. She's I want

518
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Speaker 1: to remind everybody Carson Wentz has never won a playoff game.

519
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Speaker 1: Everybody knows the Eagles won a Super Bowl with fools.

520
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: But like, as a receiver, what can you even say

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Speaker 1: to a guy, to your quarterback when he's going through

522
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: a low point like that? Like, what can you possibly

523
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Speaker 1: say to pick him up at all? To be honest

524
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Speaker 1: with you, it depends on how you feel about him.

525
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: If you don't feel much about him, you don't say anything.

526
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Speaker 1: But if he's a partner and your boy, and you

527
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: don't agree with him, I started you straight you me

528
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: straight up with him, and you just come up to

529
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Speaker 1: him and be like, Bro, this is some straight bs. Bro,

530
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Speaker 1: I got your back. I'm with you. Um, hopefully you

531
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Speaker 1: get another shot. I played a partner's my bad, um.

532
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: But if you don't care for him, you don't say

533
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Speaker 1: a word. So it really depends on how you feel

534
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: about to be honestly, alright, so everybody knows t J.

535
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: Houshman Zata Bengals receiver, Uh, he was probably on your

536
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: fantasy team back in the day. He's got the long ponytail.

537
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: Very cool, But who's I was just reading up on

538
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 1: your background. I want to go to your high school career. Everything.

539
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Speaker 1: Nobody knows really what had happened there? From how does

540
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: t J. Houshmanzata go from high school guy who dropped

541
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Speaker 1: out of high school becomes a star at the junior

542
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Speaker 1: college level. Then pops at Oregon take us through the

543
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: path of t J. Houshman Zatta in high school? Were

544
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: you a star receiver? And uh? And what what did

545
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: that ended up happening? Well? In high school, I was

546
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Speaker 1: a running back. Oh, I played. I played running back

547
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: in high schoo. Um, I was not a star, even

548
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Speaker 1: though I thought I was a star. I thought I

549
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: was the best guy on the team, but I'm not

550
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: sure the coaches thought I was. UM. I had a

551
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Speaker 1: pretty good year. We went undefeated my last year. I

552
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: only played one year of football in my life and

553
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: that was my last year in high school. Um, but

554
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: we went undefeated. We were one of the better teams

555
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Speaker 1: in the state of California. But you know, I played

556
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: high school football in Barstow and did not go to school.

557
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: I missed my entire sophomore year, part of my junior year,

558
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: and obviously half of my senior year because when grades

559
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: came out, I was in eligible. I was on a

560
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Speaker 1: basketball team. So if I couldn't play sports, why am

561
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: I going to school? That was my mentality, and so

562
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: I just dropped out. I was I was just in

563
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: the streets too much hustling and um too tired to

564
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: get up for school. I went to school every day, Jason.

565
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: It was just fifth period after lunch, so yees ye period.

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Speaker 1: So no, Lie, this is a true story. My senior year,

567
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Speaker 1: I had a he A in history because that was

568
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: fifth period, and then I got an A in football

569
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 1: because that was sixth period, and that was that. Everything

570
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: else was f because I wasn't going to school. So

571
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: what how did your parents take that? Well, I've never

572
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,239
Speaker 1: I've never met my dad. It was my mom. And

573
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: like I said, to be honest with you, Jason, from

574
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: the time I was thirteen years old, I kind of

575
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: was doing whatever I wanted to do. So I came

576
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: in when I wanted to come in, I left when

577
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: I wanted to leave. I was basically a thirteen year old, uh,

578
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: thinking I was a grown man, I was just Uh,

579
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: I was in a street hustling. Wow. You know, Antonio

580
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: Brown had a similar situation. I'm sure you've read it

581
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: about him. Uh. And his dad was like an Arena

582
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: League football player and he was traveling a lot. In

583
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown had the run of the place and he

584
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: was never able to, you know, totally turn it around

585
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: and get right. Obviously was great on the field, but

586
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: I mean, how did you At what point did you say, oh, man,

587
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, I got I gotta trap up if I

588
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: want to become a football player here. I don't know.

589
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: Oh man, it was well, I do know, but to

590
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: get to that point, like my best friend, he's still

591
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: my best friend to this day. Um. He grew up

592
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: with his mother and his father. UM. I was always

593
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: at their house a lot. He was highly recruited. UM

594
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: did not past the s A T. So he had

595
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: to go to junior college. You know how they do

596
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: you back then and the former systemic racism back then,

597
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: But we didn't realize that that, you know, the inner

598
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: city kids, that we're not well equipped for the testing

599
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: again in the college and you don't realize it. But

600
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: that's another story. So he went JUCO. He came down

601
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: to street thos and and I just followed him. We

602
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: were together every day and I'm like, damn, he's leaving.

603
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm pretty much at his house all the time because

604
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: I grew up in the slums. We were on Section eight.

605
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: People getting shot and killed in our house. We get

606
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Speaker 1: kicked out, moved to another house. Dice game, somebody else

607
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: gets shot and killed, we get kicked out. Um so

608
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: that's how I grew up. And again he had mom

609
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Speaker 1: and dad in the house, both works. So I started

610
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: staying at this house my last year in high school

611
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: a lot. He went duco and I followed him because

612
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,719
Speaker 1: he was my platner, that was my dog, and he

613
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: was a starting receiver. He broke his foot a couple

614
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: of weeks before the first game. The backup receiver got arrested.

615
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: I was third team and then no, Lie, this is

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Speaker 1: a true story. First play of the season, I bombed

617
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Speaker 1: somebody for like seven yard touchdown, first play, first player

618
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Speaker 1: of the game, first player of the season, and I

619
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: think the coaches were like, oh, And the crazy thing

620
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: is the coaches didn't even want me to come. They

621
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Speaker 1: tried to send me back home because, um, I started

622
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: growing my hair out. I didn't have nobody to cut

623
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Speaker 1: my hair, so at the time I had the hair

624
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: like you, and I started growing the party. I started

625
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,959
Speaker 1: growing a partytail. And this is a springtime. So my

626
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: eyes were always watery, and the coaches thought I was

627
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: always hot. And I'm like Jason to this day, I've

628
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: never smoked anything to day in my life. I've never

629
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: smoked weed. I've never smoked a cigarette. I've never smoked

630
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: a cigar. Who could whatever you want. I've never smoked

631
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: anything and day in my life. But they thought I

632
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: was high every day, so they wanted to send me home.

633
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't even smoke. The whole thing

634
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Speaker 1: smokes but me, but y'all think I smoked. And luckily

635
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: it worked out. But after my first year, my junior

636
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Speaker 1: college coach was like, I think you're gonna get a

637
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: scholarship to any school you want to go to. You

638
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: might want to take this serious. Go get your g D.

639
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: So after my first year at Juico, I went and

640
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: got my g D and uh yeah, that's when I

641
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: started taking serious. Wait, so let me just this smoky thing. Um,

642
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: how did you growing up in a rough area avoid

643
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: that when it was all around you all the time

644
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: because my mom was a crackhead and they drunk all

645
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: the time, and seeing people get shot and killed in

646
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: your house, and it was from drugs and drinking, and

647
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, I would never do this. I mean, like

648
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: I said, I sold weed. I've never tried it. All

649
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: the majority guys I played with on the collegiate at level,

650
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: college level growing up, my buddies, they all smoked. Everybody

651
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: knows t J don't smoke. They know it. And so

652
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: I think it was just seeing affect it had on

653
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: family members and friends, mothers and fathers that I would

654
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: just I would never do a drug. I've never done

655
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: a drug in my life ever. And you couldn't pay

656
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: me to do a drug. And it's because of what

657
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: I the effect that I saw that it had on

658
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,959
Speaker 1: my family. Because when my mother was clean, we lived

659
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: a good life, um well, relatively a good life. You know,

660
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: our lights weren't cut off, our water wasn't turned off.

661
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 1: That type. That's a good life for me. And then

662
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: when she would fall back, then we we got kerosene

663
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: lamps in the house, we got candles in the house,

664
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: and um one box of Mcaroni for me and my

665
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: both of my brothers. We got to share that, and

666
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: so I saw what it did and I was like,

667
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: I would never ever ever do a drug and that

668
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: and that's it just stuck with me. Yeah. I remember

669
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: you telling me, I think it fs one one day,

670
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: how you would you were buying houses for relatives. This

671
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: is in recent years, and it was it just sounded

672
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: like you were so proud and like happy that everybody

673
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: was on the right path now. And you know, obviously

674
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: your success has greatly helped the family, right Yeah. I

675
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: mean I wouldn't say houses plural uh um, but I

676
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 1: have bought homes for the people in my family and still,

677
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: I mean, they don't. I can't. I can't force somebody

678
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: to be what I want them to be. I can

679
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: try to help him. And if you show me that

680
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: you're willing to meet me, and you don't even have

681
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: to meet me halfway, just show me that you're willing

682
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: to want a better life for yourself and your children,

683
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: then I will help you get that. But if you

684
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: show me that you're not, then it is what it is.

685
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna mortgage my future and my kids future

686
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: trying to help my family when y'all don't want help.

687
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: Y'all want me to give you everything. And so yeah,

688
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: I bought them homes and they still live in them.

689
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: Run them down, they don't. They don't. My family we

690
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: come from nothing, and so they don't know. They don't

691
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: appreciate nice things because we've never had nice things. And

692
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: so I'm sure people see my family and be like,

693
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: how is he letting them live like this? And he

694
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 1: lives like that? But if they only knew they want

695
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: to live like this, or they want me to continue

696
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: to give them everything. And I'm not gonna give you

697
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: everything because I have a family and kids of my

698
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,959
Speaker 1: own that I want to give them a good start

699
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: in life like I wish somebody had given me. Yeah,

700
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: and your daughter now at l s U, you've done

701
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: well for yourself. Man. My dad has a saying you

702
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: can lead a horse to water, but you can't make

703
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: him drink, man, and never lie. Your daddy is right

704
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: on with that one. Yeah, he'll he listened, so he'll

705
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: be happy that I brought that up. All right. Uh So, anyway,

706
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: let's fast forward. You get to Oregon State Corvallis. Man,

707
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: I've never been up there. What what the hell is Corvallis, Like,

708
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: had you ever been in that area before you know

709
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: they started recruiting you. No, never, It was I had

710
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: never been to Corvallis, Oregon. Um, I'll be honest with you.

711
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: The first time I got to Corvallis, it was brutal. Man.

712
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: I counted brain for thirty three days in a row,

713
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: thirty three days in a row, and I was like,

714
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: oh my god, like what am I doing here? Um?

715
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: It was bad because it just I wasn't used to

716
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: the rain. I'm a California kid braining so much. And

717
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 1: when I was there, we didn't have an indoor facility,

718
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: so we were conditioning outside and rain and it was bad. Um,

719
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: but it built us up. Man. You know again, I

720
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: wasn't used to anything like that. But and uh, it

721
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: was a fun time. I'm not gonna lie once I

722
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 1: got to college though. Again, like I wasn't a guy

723
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: that smoked. I wasn't a guy that drank. And so

724
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: for me, it was all football all the time. That

725
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: was good for me because I knew I was gonna

726
00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: eat every day good, I was gonna eat well. Um,

727
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: I was gonna have the resources that if I if

728
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: I used them, and I applied them that I had

729
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: a chance, and that's what I did. So you get

730
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: to Oregon State. Dennis Ericsson was the coach, and uh,

731
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: you know, I haven't read the backstory of how the

732
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: hell he assembled this team, but it was basically the

733
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: greatest team in the history of the the program. You

734
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: guys want to leven in one you murdered Notre Dame

735
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: in a bullgame. Um, and of course you know you

736
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: had monster seasons there, you and Chad Johnson. So you

737
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: guys go back to Oregon State, like, did you know

738
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: that team was that loaded back then? I did not.

739
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: But what I did know is so when I took

740
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: my recruiting trip, I was a junior college All American.

741
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: I was in the number one ranked player in the

742
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 1: country and JUCO. But there were a lot of guys

743
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 1: that I played against in junior college that were there.

744
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: They're ranked very high, they were all All Americans, and

745
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: we all kind of made a pack. We're all on

746
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: the same recruiting trip, like, man, let's come to Oregon

747
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: State because you know, we all California boys, and let's

748
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: beat up on that seat. I wasn't saying um, because

749
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: the majority of us probably wanted to go to FC

750
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: and some could have and we decided not to, and

751
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: so we came in with I want to say it

752
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: was like fifteen Juco kids and ten of us were

753
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: all Americans and so and the ones that didn't come

754
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: to Oregon State they went to Arizona State. They played

755
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: in the league. It was that was a good year

756
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: of Juco kids and coach Rickson, he just got the

757
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: right mix of guys that fielding spots that were needed

758
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: and we took off. So high school running back Juco

759
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: touchdown on the first play of the season and then

760
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: blowing up at Oregon State and then I guess at

761
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: that point it started to hit you like, oh, I

762
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: can make some real money in the NFL. I can

763
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: do this. Yeah I I you know what happened though.

764
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: When I was at junior college, we used to go

765
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: one on ones with the dbs from U C, l A,

766
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: and USC and I'm watching these guys on TV, but

767
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: in workouts they can't cover me. And so that gave me.

768
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: That gave me confidence. Um. But yes, once that senior

769
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: at Oregon State, when we started to do well, I

770
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: believe everyone on the team and not just myself. Um,

771
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: we all thought we had a legitimate chance of playing

772
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: in the league, and luckily I was one of the

773
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: ones that got a chance and got that opportunity. Um,

774
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: got with the right team to give me that opportunity

775
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: and was able to carve something and make something out

776
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: of myself. Is it weird that you ended up with

777
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: Chad Johnson in Cincinnati? Or I mean, by the way,

778
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: you guys still boys, I assume you're tap dog. Yeah. Um,

779
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 1: And you guys are pretty damn good with the Bengals. Um.

780
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: You know Carson Palmer the quarterback. Uh, you guys had

781
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: some good runs in the NFL. Right. Yeah. We underachieved

782
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: when I look back on it, man, we truly we underachieved.

783
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: We had a fantastic offensive line, a fantastic quarterback, great

784
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: running game, We could throw the ball. Defense was probably

785
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: middle of the pack. If we did have a weakness

786
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: of our teams, that was defensively. Um, but we just

787
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: under achieved. And once I retired and I started watching

788
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: guys like you more on TV, and then I started

789
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: to understand how organizations work and what makes them tick

790
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: and not tick. I see why we underachieved. Um, But

791
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: at the time I'm looking like, dude, we got all

792
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: this talent, why are we not winning? Um, But you

793
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: don't really understand. You just think we got the players,

794
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna win so much more that goes into that

795
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: that starts at the top and being out of it.

796
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: Now I see it and I'm saying like, man, if

797
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: we could have done this, this and this is different,

798
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: we would have won. But you don't realize that, um,

799
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: when you're playing. Because we true we left so much

800
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 1: meat on the bone. We underachieved to the point where

801
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: it was like, wow, we we had a very talented team. UM.

802
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: I truly believe we should have won a super Bowl

803
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: and we didn't even want to playoff game. That's gotta

804
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: pay you. UM. I noticed that. You know, there's a

805
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: couple of young receivers blowing up in this league, and

806
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: when you look at the fast emergence of them, the

807
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: kid Jefferson with Minnesota, I mean, just part do you think, Man,

808
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: I got a lot of passes back in the day,

809
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: But if I have come into the league now the

810
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: way the way these guys are getting targets, like, I know,

811
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: the league changes a little bit. UM. I don't know

812
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: your thoughts on like the receivers in UM as the

813
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: league is kind of shifting towards very, very past happy

814
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: You know. That's funny though. You know a lot of

815
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: the old players. Oh, man, in my time, you wouldn't

816
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 1: have done none of this. Yeah, that's that's what we're

817
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: all supposed to do instead of just give credit where

818
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: credit is due. Man, UM guys are coming into the

819
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: league way more skilled they've ever been there. They're the

820
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: wide receivers, the most under coach position in football. And

821
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm not talking to the NFL. I'm talking in football. College.

822
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: You don't learn much. They don't have time to really

823
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: teach you to little nuances of the position. UM. But

824
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: what's going on is with the explosion of social media,

825
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: guys are able to get with coaches UM outside of

826
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: college and start training at an earlier age, and the

827
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: skill level has increased UM so that when they get

828
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: to the league, your receiver coach in the league, there

829
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: there's a handful of guys that are gonna really teach you,

830
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: maybe a handful, maybe I'm being generous. They'll teach you

831
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: the game of football, but they're not gonna teach you

832
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: how to be a better receiver. You gotta learn that

833
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: on your own, and guys are learning that on their

834
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: own prior to them getting to the NFL, which increases

835
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: their skill level. And that's what we're seeing. Guys are

836
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: just way more skilled. Yeah, the rules are different. You

837
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: can't touch guys, you can't hit guys, but even still

838
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: they're still coming in a lot more skilled than they

839
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: came in even when I played. So there are like

840
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: specific coaches now at what the high school level, middle school?

841
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: I know you coach some young young athletes. I mean,

842
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: what's the advice us to work on to these young

843
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: kids who want to be receiver in the league? Number

844
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: one first and foremost. And it's easy to say, it

845
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: hard to do at all times. And you gotta have

846
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: self belief, man. And I give a ton of analogies Jason.

847
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: I tell him when we're younger, Jason, and we go

848
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: to the club. The prettiest girl in the club, she

849
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: walked around. She knows she's the prettiest girl in the club,

850
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: does she not. That's how you gotta approach your craft,

851
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: that like you're the prettiest girl in the club, Like

852
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: I know everybody in here wants me. You have to

853
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: approach how you feel about your game in that manner, true,

854
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: true self belief and self confidence, because you can have

855
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: all the physical If you don't have that self belief,

856
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Um. But I've been training guys like

857
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: I trained. I trained Chase Claypool, Michael Pittman, I you

858
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: T Higgins. Those are the guys I trained last year,

859
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: and all of them are doing well. We work. You

860
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: got to create separation, and you work on your press releases.

861
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: We work on that until we can't get it wrong.

862
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: And that is the key to being a good receiver.

863
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: Creating separation, beating press coverage. Now you have to understand spacing.

864
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 1: You gotta understand distance, you gotta understand what they're trying

865
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: to do, what you want to do. So a lot

866
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: goes into it. And because of the quarantine or the

867
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: pandemic that hit in March, we were able to spend

868
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: so much more time than we've ever had. And so

869
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: I was with these guys five days a week. Because

870
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: quarantine hit, we didn't stop training. We're going five days

871
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: a week. Normally been off in O. T. A. S.

872
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: So I was able to spend a ton of time

873
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: with them to get them ready, what to expect, talk

874
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 1: through certain coverages, certain routes, how we run it against

875
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: man two men, cover two, cover three, quarters, cover six.

876
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: So we're able to go through so many different situations

877
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: that they figured it out. Because you can. You can

878
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: physically be good, but you gotta understand when to do it,

879
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: why to do it, how to do it versus each

880
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: cover it. It's completely different dynamic. Let me ask you

881
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: about Claypool because I gotta be on like I have

882
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: him in fantasy. I'm a huge fan of the guy,

883
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: and I feel like Pittsburgh underutilizes him, Like why. I

884
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: don't know what the deal. I mean, maybe it's because

885
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: they have an embarrassment of riches at receiver, but at

886
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: some point you gotta realize, like if you throw it

887
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: up Clickpool is gonna get it. And this jerking around

888
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: at the goal line, uh t J. I don't know

889
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: if you agree, but I think Claypool's underutilized in that offense.

890
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: Under utilize him. He's the best receiver on that team.

891
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: Let's just call it what it is. They do underutilize him.

892
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: And this is a crazy thing about Claypool. We were training.

893
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 1: I got text messages from that. I sent two guys

894
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 1: that work in the NFL front office. I sent these

895
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,959
Speaker 1: text messages and I have proof of it. Chake, I said,

896
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: Chase Claypool is a monster. He will be unstoppable in

897
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: the league. Take my word for it. One guy sent

898
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: me back a message and said, I'm not sure that

899
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: t J. Can you say what team? You don't have

900
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: to say the name a team. I can't tell you

901
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: that because they drafted a receiver. Oh do wait dat

902
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: he tell me the division. I'm not gonna stupor they

903
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: I'll just tell I don't know. I won't tell you

904
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: the division because you're figured out there in the a

905
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: f C and they're in the a f C and

906
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: they played in cold weather. That's okay. I'll just say this.

907
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: The Jets had an option to draft Claypool. And I'm

908
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: yelling about this for weeks because I watched a lot

909
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,959
Speaker 1: of Notre Dame. My buddy played soccer there. I watched

910
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: a lot of him and Sam Donald trained together. They

911
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: worked out together during the pandemic because of what was

912
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: going on. Jordan Palmer trained them, so they were out

913
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: there with them. Damn. I were up at I think,

914
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: and they said we're gonna trade back get another pick.

915
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: And I think Claypool won a forty nine and the

916
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: Jets drafted Mims and I'm just sitting there yelling like Jason,

917
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: I said, this kid is gonna be unstoppable. And literally

918
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: I have people, so every time Chase Claypool balls out right,

919
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: I send them a message. All I say is Chase Claypool.

920
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: They send me back the finger because I I tried it.

921
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: I told him the same thing about Michael Pittman. I said,

922
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman is gonna play twelve years in the league.

923
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: You can mark it down. He'll play twelve years in NFL.

924
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: Same thing with te Higgins, Brandon I Yuk is probably

925
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 1: the most talented from an overall. He's a free collateral vertical.

926
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: But they were all really good. But Claypool was a

927
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: guy that because of this size and his speed, I

928
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: was like, dude, you can't cover this guy. And I

929
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: got text messages to prove it that. I sent it

930
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: out before the draft. So it makes me feel good.

931
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: Humor me as a as a weekend warrior guy who

932
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: likes to work out. You know, I talked a lot

933
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: of ship about playing basketball and stuff. Um, what's what's

934
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: the workout like? Is it is what do your workout

935
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: with them? Like? Three hours long? Is it all football? No? Um?

936
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: So depending on when they work out with me, they've

937
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: already they've done a speed so they're getting ready for

938
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: the combine and the pro days. So some days they've

939
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: already done a speed workout or a weight room and

940
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: a speed workout, So that day for us is light

941
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: because I don't want to kill their legs and have

942
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: them sore and tired for the next day. So when

943
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: they have an easy day in the weight room and

944
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: on the track running, that's when I go hard. And

945
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: when they have a hard dance when I go easy.

946
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: But again, we just do drills, getting out the top

947
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: of our routes. Um. Then certain days will work releases.

948
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: I'll teach them three or four different ways to do things,

949
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: and I tell them all the time, one of these

950
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: ways are gonna work for you. You'll figure it out,

951
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: and I'll figure it out as well. But if I

952
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: say this way it works for you and it does not,

953
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: and you feel it doesn't, we're gonna find another way.

954
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: Don't take my word for it, because I'm not the

955
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: one out there playing. And so I give them four

956
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: or five different ways to do things. They figure out

957
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: which way it works. We perfected. Everybody knows t j

958
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: Hodgeman Zada now has a radio show. He's transitioning. Are

959
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: you guys following his career arc? I mean, what a

960
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: life NFL star receiver one at college. Now he's training

961
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: pros and he's a radio guy. I want to ask,

962
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: how has the transition been for you to media here

963
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: in the last few years doing FS one stuff and

964
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: now a radio show at Fox Sports Radio with LaVar Arrington,

965
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: another good dude and Plexico Burrs, who I don't know

966
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: as well. I truly I enjoy it, Um, honestly, I

967
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: wish I could do it more. To be honest with you, UM,

968
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: I like to talk, Jason, I thank you since UM.

969
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: I love sports though. That's the thing about me is

970
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: I don't watch anything but sports unless my wife forces

971
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: me to watch a TV show whetter um and so

972
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: that's all I do. Man, Is I watched sports, and

973
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: it's every sport except for hockey, and I'll watch the

974
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: hockey when he gets to the playoffs. I watched every

975
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: single sport. I'm a huge basketball fan. I love football,

976
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: I love boxing, I love baseball like I love every sport,

977
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: and so you come to my house, that's all I'm watching.

978
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: Whatever is on TV that's sports wise, I'm going to

979
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: watch it. And so I read a ton on sports.

980
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: Every sport that I just named, I read on it

981
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: every day. Yeah, and so, UM, I thought being in

982
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: the media when I retired would be easy and I

983
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: would just transition. But boy was I wrong. It was

984
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: not easy and it was not an easy transition. Um.

985
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: Hopefully I can do this as long as I as

986
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 1: long as they let me. Um. But I truly enjoyed.

987
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: I really don't. You know. You listen, you've been out

988
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: there with athletes. You know there's some guys who don't

989
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 1: put it in any time, don't put it in any work,

990
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: and they just roll up and they think they can

991
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: do it, and they think because they were an awesome

992
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: athlete that automatically they're great on TV. I mean, t J,

993
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: you and I both know that ain't true for a

994
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: lot of these guys. It's just no and you it's

995
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: a fine line of being a guy on TV that

996
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: played giving your opinion and or stats. As athletes, we're

997
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: on TV because they want our opinion, because of our

998
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: experiences of plane but sometimes you do have to give

999
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 1: them some factual statements to back up what you're saying.

1000
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: It can't just be your opinion. So that's where some

1001
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: guys far wrong. Get they just always opinionated or they're

1002
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: always factual. With stats, it has to be a little

1003
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 1: bit of both. Um. For me, there's only one word

1004
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: that I like to use, um. And if you use

1005
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: if you're if you stay committed to this word, I

1006
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: think you would have success is authenticity. And if you

1007
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: can be authentic, UM, you'll be fine. Yeah. And and

1008
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: imagine you know the former athletes have to have some stats.

1009
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: Imagine me a guy, non former athlete who's got to

1010
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: get up there and you know, go toe to toe

1011
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: with if you have, if you will with some of

1012
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: these guys who have played. And I'll never forget t J.

1013
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever met Chris Carter at

1014
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: FS one, but like he's tough, you know he he

1015
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: will immediately challenge you to see if you got it

1016
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: do you how bad do you want? And he pushed

1017
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: back hard on me. And I'm not a guy that's

1018
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: ever gonna back down from anybody. And I pushed back

1019
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 1: and I came off and you know, one guy who

1020
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: we both know we're not going to talk about it

1021
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: was like, you can't do that, Jake, and everyone else

1022
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: was like that was good as TV j that was good,

1023
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: Like that's authentic. You're not pushing back, you're backed up

1024
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: an arm with stats, and Chris Carter's got his stuff.

1025
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: And Chris Carter is good. We know he's been at

1026
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: every network. Um, but you there's a fine line between

1027
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: arguing right and having a healthy debate. Would you would

1028
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: you agree with that? Yes? But one thing about me,

1029
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: man is um send me that clip to with you

1030
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: and Chris Carter. I don't think I would do that

1031
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: because I'm not one to try to make you prove

1032
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: to me you know what you're doing, thank you. That's

1033
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: not my position. It's the people that hired you that

1034
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: you've proven to them you deserve to be where you're at.

1035
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: So why am I going to now in turn make

1036
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: you prove it to me? And so I probably I

1037
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: know for a fact, I wouldn't have done that, But

1038
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: Chris Carter, he's his own man Um. But when you

1039
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: guys getting this position, you guys know what the funk

1040
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: you're doing, you kind of have to yeah, but no, listen,

1041
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: I have blood Chris Carter for doing that because it

1042
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: challenged me if I had shrunk and been some big

1043
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: woos like this guy is not built for it. He's

1044
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: not ready. But let's be honest. When you got home,

1045
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: I'm sure you thought, like the funk was that about that?

1046
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: But you know, I mean you, I I wouldn't have

1047
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: done it. Um, But that's me. I'm I think I'm

1048
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: a nice person. More than anything. I'm an understanding person,

1049
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: and I think that's better than being nice. You've got

1050
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: to be understanding and how other people may may or

1051
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: may not feel. Um. But again, there's a lot of

1052
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: athletes because they were quote unquote really good, they think

1053
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: they can act and treat people in these type of

1054
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: way and that's not cool at all. Here's like, it's

1055
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: not Yeah, I know t J has a lot on

1056
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: the schedule. I'll get you out of here on this.

1057
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: So this is how you know t J. Houshman's out

1058
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: is a nice guy. We're at the FS one with

1059
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: the green room, avocado room, whatever it is, and and

1060
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: one day he tells me, I was like, what are

1061
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: you doing on your phone? And it's like I'm playing Dominoes.

1062
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,439
Speaker 1: I said, oh, I'm good at dominoes. I started talking

1063
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: ship because my family played a lot of dominoes, and

1064
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: he goes, I'll kill you. I will take your money

1065
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: in dominoes. All right, let's go and we start playing.

1066
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: And you know, this was right before the pandemic, unfortunately,

1067
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: t J. And we started playing and he wins some

1068
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: and then I went on a streak and I started

1069
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: jaw jacking, and then he starts winning a bunch and

1070
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: I think I was down like forty bucks. So I

1071
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: don't remember exactly what there, maybe sixty bucks, and then

1072
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: like the pandemic hit and and I stopped playing, Like

1073
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: we kind of start dropped the game. Have you been

1074
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: still playing Dominoes? TJ? On the app? Jason, this is

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00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: a true story, man. I retired from the app because

1076
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: because I could really get no competition. Man, this is

1077
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: what I'm talking. Look, random people started challenging me. Right.

1078
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: I met this friend, he's from Texas, um he's seen

1079
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: my He he challenged me, and he was beating me initially,

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00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: and I told him, I said, you don't got happy. Now,

1081
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play serious. I literally beating like forty games

1082
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: in a row and I retired Like everybody that I

1083
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 1: played on dominoes, this goes for every single I gotta

1084
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: win a record against him. I have a losing record

1085
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: against nobody. I might be the best domino player in

1086
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Speaker 1: the world. Jeez, I love like and like, I love

1087
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: the ego. It's just like you knows he's good. Now

1088
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: what was the what? What do we play? Fives and something?

1089
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: What was it? Fives and tens? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1090
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: I haven't played in a while. I had some pri

1091
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: I think I stopped playing in like August this, Yeah,

1092
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: you stopped. I was betting all my buddies and I

1093
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: was winning all their money and I felt bad. Great guy. Yeah,

1094
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: obviously listen to his radio show, LaVar Arrington, Whoch and

1095
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: Plexico Burris Saturdays. Was it ten ten am Pacific one

1096
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: Eastern and specific time or one of three Eastern? Up

1097
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: on game? You'll go download that thing coming on right up?

1098
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: He gets no better. You get straight fired and you

1099
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: get put up on game. You can't bid it. Back

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Speaker 1: They're the most complete team offensively and defensively. Uh, I

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Speaker 1: gotta I gotta roll with the chief Impossible not to

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Speaker 1: all Right, who's Monzanna? Enjoy it? Thanks for the time

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Speaker 1: and duck and drats on all your success, Jason, I

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