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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty, Donald Trump one roughly forty one percent

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Speaker 1: he increased that shared a fifty six percent. What's happening

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Speaker 1: This is Gavin Newsom and this is Scott Galloway. Well, Scott,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for taking the time and joining us

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Speaker 1: on the podcast. And there's so many things I want

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Speaker 1: that you've been doing, talk about some of the trend lines,

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Speaker 1: particularly as it relates to young men. But there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of attention now being placed once again on tech titans,

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Speaker 1: notably Mark Zuckerberg, who you once described lovingly is the

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Speaker 1: most dangerous man in the world, who is now testifying

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Speaker 1: there are five lawsuits the FTC, but Mark is up

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Speaker 1: Anti trust discussions related to what's happened Instagram just curious,

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Speaker 1: you're over under What do you make of this moment?

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Speaker 1: What do you make of Zuckerbird's outreach to the Trump

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Speaker 1: the fact they didn't move on it. What does it

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Speaker 1: mean to you from a political perspective, not just from

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Speaker 2: First, I think you have to get Mark zuckerbergers too.

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Speaker 2: I think it's one of the most brilliant business people

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Speaker 2: few people that have done more damage while making more

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Speaker 2: money than Mark Zuckerbird. The coarseness of our discourse teen depression.

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Speaker 2: If any company could reverse engineer their product to an

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Speaker 2: uptick in self harm among teen girls, that company would

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Speaker 2: it relates to antitrust, the concentration of power. You know,

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Speaker 2: power corrupts absolute power, absolutely corps. And we have one

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Speaker 2: company that controls fifty percent of e commerce Amazon, one

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Speaker 2: company controls ninety percent of search Google, and one company

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Speaker 2: of China, two out of three people are on a

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Speaker 2: meta platform every day, and unfortunately, I'm in the field

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Speaker 3: I taught that.

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Speaker 2: I studied that at Berkeley, teach at NYU from nineteen

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Speaker 2: forty five to nineteen ninety five. We thought we discovered

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Speaker 2: out with Google that there's something that sells even more

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Speaker 2: bring on somebody who says an mRNA vaccine alters your DNA,

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Speaker 2: The the center's voice is important. But what these algorithms have

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Speaker 2: and you're going to result. You're going to see a

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Speaker 2: in and every comment enragement equals engagement equals more Nissan

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Speaker 2: ads equals more shareholder value. And so unfortunately, the deepest

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Speaker 2: pocketed companies in the world are trying to enrage us

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Speaker 2: the pharmaceutical the medical industrial complex. Now, how do you

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Speaker 2: There's no reason anyone under the age of sixteen should

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Speaker 2: We need to break up these companies. And in a breakup,

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Speaker 2: it almost always works economically, it works for shareholders. The

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Speaker 2: So I find unfortunately our government has become at this point,

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Speaker 2: But for God's sakes, let's give up the charade about stakeholders.

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Speaker 3: Well thanks for that. That means a lot coming from you.

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Speaker 2: Look, I was an unremarkable kid, and I'm not son Ahmobruck.

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Speaker 2: are making more money. And by the way, that is

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Speaker 2: a collective victory. They deserve it. They're working harder, they're

437
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Speaker 2: studying harder, they got their shit together they deserve more money.

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Speaker 2: The problem is is that without women to have an

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Speaker 2: honest conversation around household formation and mate and we have

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Speaker 2: to have an honest conversation, and that is women tend

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Speaker 2: to meet sociation economically horizontally and up, men horizontally and down.

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Speaker 2: And so when the pool, the viable pool of male

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Speaker 2: mates that's horizontaled up, keeps shrinking, there's a lack of

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Speaker 2: household formation. And what's interesting is that women without a

445
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Speaker 2: relationship oftentimes pour that additional energy into their friend network

446
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Speaker 2: and into work. When men under the age of thirty

447
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 2: don't have a relationship, they oftentimes pour that energy into

448
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 2: video games, porn and sequestering from society, conspiracy theory. They

449
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Speaker 2: start blaming women for their problems. They become much more

450
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Speaker 2: prone to misogynistic content. They start blaming immigrants for their

451
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 2: lack of economic viability. They become very nationalists, and some

452
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Speaker 2: they turn into really shitty citizens. And if a man

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Speaker 2: doesn't have a relationship by the time, if he's never

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Speaker 2: cohabitated or been married by the time he's thirty, there's

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Speaker 2: a one in three chance he's going to be a

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Speaker 2: substance abuser. And some women used to need relationships for

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Speaker 2: financial support, they no longer need it. Men have always

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Speaker 2: needed relationships for emotional support, and without that emotional support,

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Speaker 2: they kind of come off the tracks. And I'm not

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Speaker 2: suggesting in any way women lower their standards. What I'm

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Speaker 2: suggesting is men need to level up, and we also

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Speaker 2: need to recognize it. Unless we give more money to

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Speaker 2: young people who are twenty four percent less wealthier than

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Speaker 2: they were forty years ago, and old people are seventy

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Speaker 2: two percent wealthier. Unless we level up all young people

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Speaker 2: and create more opportunities for people to meet, to fall

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Speaker 2: in love, and to do what I think is the

468
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Speaker 2: most profoundly rewarding thing, and that has raised children with

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Speaker 2: someone you care about and have a reasonable chance of

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Speaker 2: having a home and not being one of the forty

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Speaker 2: percent of households that have medical or dental debt.

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Speaker 3: Then what is all of this for.

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Speaker 2: There's been more shareholder value created in a ten mile

474
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Speaker 2: radius of SFO International Airport in the last three years

475
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Speaker 2: than it's created in Europe in the last thirty years.

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Speaker 2: But we can't afford to give people a middle class lifestyle.

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Speaker 2: And I think all of these things are conscious choices

478
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Speaker 2: we've made. But going back to this notion, and you know,

479
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Speaker 2: I had the opportunity to meet people. I had the

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Speaker 2: opportunity to get jobs. I had the opportunity to get

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Speaker 2: a cheap education. I had the opportunity when I bought

482
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Speaker 2: that house in San Francisco. When I graduated from Berkeley,

483
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 2: it was one hundred thousand dollars average comp average house

484
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 2: in San Francisco costs two hundred and eighty thousand. Now

485
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 2: the comp out of has is two hundred great money,

486
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 2: but the average house costs two point one million, So

487
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: it's gone from two point eight to ten times. Minimum

488
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 2: wage is stuck at seven twenty five. The Nasdaq has

489
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 2: gone up sevenfold, minimum wage has gone up zero percent.

490
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Speaker 2: Every year, we transfer one point trillion dollars from people

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Speaker 2: under the age of sixty five to the wealthiest generation

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Speaker 2: in the history of the planet, to Social Security recipients.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not suggesting we do away with Social Security,

494
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Speaker 2: but Governor, neither you nor me should.

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Speaker 3: Ever get Social Security.

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Speaker 2: So I feel as if we've consciously transferred money from

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Speaker 2: the young to the old, made it more competitive. Women

498
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Speaker 2: are thriving, that's outstanding. The young men are struggling, and

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Speaker 2: I think we're finally having a productive dialogue because the

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Speaker 2: people who are finally not finally, the people are most

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Speaker 2: supportive of my work now it's changed totally, are mothers,

502
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Speaker 2: and what they realize is that the nation and women

503
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Speaker 2: aren't going to continue to flourish as long as men

504
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Speaker 2: are flailing and our young men are failing. Governor four

505
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Speaker 2: times is likely to kill themselves, three times is likely

506
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Speaker 2: to be addicted, twelve times is likely to be incarcerated.

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Speaker 2: Do we have an opiate crisis? Do we have a

508
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Speaker 2: homeless crisis? Yes, but we really have a male opiate

509
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Speaker 2: and homeless crisis. And if any other special interest group

510
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Speaker 2: was killing themselves at four times the rate is the

511
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Speaker 2: control group, we would weigh in with programs. But instead,

512
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Speaker 2: because of our generation, where so much was prosperity was

513
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Speaker 2: crammed into a small number of people, specifically white heterosexual males,

514
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Speaker 2: we want to punish the nineteen year old male for

515
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Speaker 2: our blessings, and understandably there's a gag reflex because we've

516
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Speaker 2: had a three thousand year head start. But the nineteen

517
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Speaker 2: year old man whose mom's addicted to opiate, it's his

518
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Speaker 2: father's incarcerated, who has no on ramps into a middle class.

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you really want them to pay the

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Speaker 2: price for the benefit and the privilege that the two

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Speaker 2: of us have received. There's a lack of empathy, and

522
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Speaker 2: this is not a zero sum game. Civil Rights didn't

523
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Speaker 2: hear why people game marriage didn't hurt heteronormative marriage. If

524
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Speaker 2: we level up our young people, it's not going to

525
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Speaker 2: take away from the incredible progress women have made.

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Speaker 1: Scot When did you start to really see this trend?

527
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Speaker 1: When did you start? I mean your work on this.

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Speaker 1: You're doing a new book on Notes on being a

529
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Speaker 1: Man and obviously talking a lot about it. I'm personally

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Speaker 1: been very attached to this issue. My wife has done

531
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Speaker 1: a number of documentaries, one on the miss and underrepresentation

532
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Speaker 1: of women and girls ten years ago, right, yeah, ten

533
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Speaker 1: years But then immediately did one called the masculinbing about masculinity,

534
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Speaker 1: and this was pre Trump, and she really to your point,

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Speaker 1: she came at it as a parent and the challenges

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Speaker 1: and the difference between we have two boys and two girls,

537
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Speaker 1: and so I've long appreciated this topic. It's a difficult

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Speaker 1: one politically, and I want to get to that in

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Speaker 1: a minute. And I think you started to unpack some

540
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Speaker 1: of that. But when did you personally really start to

541
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Speaker 1: see this and realize we need to talk about it more.

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Speaker 3: You know, it wasn't any specific moment or epiphany.

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Speaker 2: It was I love data, and the data here was

544
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Speaker 2: just overwhelming when you just saw what was happening to

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Speaker 2: college attendance. It used to be forty sixty, now it's

546
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Speaker 2: sixty forty. It's probably going to be two to one

547
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: female to male college grads the next five years because

548
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: men drop out, so there's literally going to be two

549
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Speaker 2: college literally college crowds.

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Speaker 1: I literally had a CSU conversation along those lines, literally

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Speaker 1: two to one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And then you look at just some of the dynamics.

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00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: Around one out of three men under the age of

554
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Speaker 2: thirty is in a relationship. Too out of three women

555
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Speaker 2: under the age of thirty is in a relationship, and

556
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: you think, well, that's mathematically impossible. It's not because women

557
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 2: are dating older because they want more economically viable men.

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Speaker 2: One in three men under the age of thirty under

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Speaker 2: the age of twenty five is living with their parents.

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Speaker 2: One in five at the age of thirty is living

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Speaker 2: with their parents. So you see, you just see the

562
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Speaker 2: data so overwhelming and just on a personal note, Governor.

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Speaker 2: I just relate to these young men. I could think,

564
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Speaker 2: I think to myself, had it not been for the

565
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Speaker 2: generosity of California taxpayers and the regents of the University

566
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: of California, and the irrational passion for my well being

567
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Speaker 2: and my mother, and the fact that the tax policy

568
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Speaker 2: and economic policy gave me just this upward spiral, you know,

569
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Speaker 2: there for the grace of God go I. I relate

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Speaker 2: to these young men. I don't think that you know

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Speaker 2: as you when you're younger, you you like to you

572
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Speaker 2: credit your you credit your grit and your character for

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Speaker 2: your success. My origin story up until the age of

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Speaker 2: forty was check out my shit. I was raised by

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Speaker 2: sam la'mi grandmother. Now I'm a baller and you know,

576
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: aren't just smell me? And then as you get older,

577
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: you realize a lot of your success is and your fault.

578
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Speaker 2: If had I not been born in California, a white,

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Speaker 2: heterosexual male, am I you know in the sixties, I

580
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: just don't think I'd be here. And by the way,

581
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Speaker 2: I'm not humble. I think I'm a fucking monster. I

582
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: think I'm in the top one percent, but the top

583
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: one percent of this on this planet puts in a

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Speaker 2: room of seventy five million people, my life is better

585
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Speaker 2: than the top seven and a half at least. And

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Speaker 2: that's because my smartest thing I ever did was to

587
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: be born in America, specifically in California, and I realized

588
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: that a lot of those features that really lifted me

589
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: up by the scrap of Mayac and flung me forward

590
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Speaker 2: at the speed of sound into prosperity, that hand is

591
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: getting weaker and weaker. So one, the data is overwhelming,

592
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Speaker 2: and two, I just really relate to these young men.

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Speaker 3: I was there.

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Speaker 2: I didn't have a lot of economic or romantic prospects,

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Speaker 2: and things worked out for me because our nation decided

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Speaker 2: that it loved the unremarkable, and I just I worry

597
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: that's no longer the case.

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Speaker 1: You've highlighted I think four x the housing costs, two

612
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Speaker 1: x the educational costs. Paychecks now declining and exacerbating these

613
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Speaker 1: conditions in this sort of generational shift that you highlighted

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Speaker 1: as it relates to seniors doing better and this generation,

615
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: younger generation doing worse for the first time in American

616
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Speaker 1: history than their parents' generation. What is that I want

617
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Speaker 1: to connect?

618
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Speaker 3: Is it?

619
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Speaker 1: Do you connect any of the dots in our conversation

620
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Speaker 1: around terras. Do you connect any dots as it relates

621
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Speaker 1: to de industrialization, Do connect any dots to any substantive

622
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: policy decisions that were made in the United States of America?

623
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Speaker 1: Or was it just a broader neglect and focus on

624
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Speaker 1: what made America great? Was it a lack of intentionality

625
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: in subsidizing higher education? Was a lack of focus on

626
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: yimbiism versus NIMBYism? As relates to housing and the imperative

627
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Speaker 1: there was what was there? Was there something that you

628
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Speaker 1: really connect as a moment? Was it in the simple

629
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Speaker 1: terms that often are painted in politics, Reaganomics and trickle

630
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Speaker 1: down economics in a broader sort of decoupling of commitment

631
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Speaker 1: to the social well.

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Speaker 2: So a lot there, but a couple of things that

633
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Speaker 2: it isn't. A couple of reasons that didn't inspire this

634
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Speaker 2: decline in the prosperity of young people of the American male.

635
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Speaker 2: The first is that manufacturing has gone away, and that's

636
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Speaker 2: the problem. As manufacturing has gone away in the seventies,

637
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Speaker 2: we've had more overall prosperity. Americans aren't looking. You know,

638
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: Stave Chappelle said, we want to wear nikes, not make them.

639
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Speaker 2: You know, the notion that we're going to have the

640
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Speaker 2: biggest own goal in history so we can bring more

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Speaker 2: manufacturing and microwaves back.

642
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Speaker 3: It's just stupid.

643
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Speaker 2: The average assembly line worker for Fox Con working for

644
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Speaker 2: Apple makes five hundred dollars a month or six thousand

645
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: dollars a year in China. The average executive at Apple

646
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: headquarters makes over two hundred thousand dollars a year. We

647
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Speaker 2: have purposely traded off manufacturing for higher growth technology systems

648
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Speaker 2: services jobs.

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Speaker 1: So do you make the case that's not it, then,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's notton.

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Speaker 2: We're still the second largest manufacturing in the world. We've

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Speaker 2: just outsourced the shitty manufacturing work. Have we left some

653
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Speaker 2: people behind?

654
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: Unfairly? Sure?

655
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: Eighty percent Americans want more manufacturing. Only one in five

656
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: one actually work in manufacturing. You can't take your dog

657
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: to the shop floor to the plant at Lansing, Michigan.

658
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: Everyone loves the idea of manufacturing. People want to design software.

659
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: They want to be in the services industry. They want

660
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: to be an associated JP Morgan and not not tooling

661
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: or making batteries somewhere. The ascent of women has been wonderful.

662
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: It has not come at the cross, It has not

663
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: come at the cost of men. I think there's a

664
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: variety of things that are going on here. One just

665
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: biological men mature are less fast. And when we even

666
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: the playing field in academia, women blue by men, I

667
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: would argue that the educational system is now biased against men.

668
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: A boy is twice as likely to be suspended on

669
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: a behavioral adjusted basis exact sand infraction, A black boy

670
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: five times as likely look at the behaviors that we

671
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: promote in school. Sid still be organized, be a pleased,

672
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: or raise your hand. You're basically describing a girl you have. Woodshop,

673
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: metal shop, and autoshop have gone away, so the online

674
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: kind of the on rams to a vocational job are

675
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: not as clear. We all knew that guy in high school.

676
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 2: There was no way he was going to college, but

677
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 2: he was fixing up his trans am in his driveway

678
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: and he could go to work making thirty or forty

679
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: bucks an hour as a mechanic. Now that path, that

680
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: vocational path, those jobs are there, but sociologically we sort

681
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: of shame those jobs, and we tell parents you've failed.

682
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: If your kid is one of the two thirds of

683
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: kids that doesn't get in doesn't get into college.

684
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: We've seen, you know. I would call a lot of

685
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 3: mixed messaging to young men that pull up.

686
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 2: Yourself, you know, pull yourself up by your boots if

687
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: you're only more in touch with your feelings. I think

688
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: that modern masculinity from the right is be coarse and cruel,

689
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: and from the left it's.

690
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 3: Be more like a woman. I don't think either of

691
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: those is right.

692
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: I still think there's opportunity for men to embrace masculinity,

693
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: you know, being strong, being physically strong, being risk aggressive,

694
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: initiating romantic contact, being aggressive around trying to get a

695
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: job you're not qualified for taking risks. I think these

696
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: are wonderful at being kind, being a protector, your default

697
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: system as a protector. So I think young men have

698
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: gotten a lot of a lot of mixed messages. More

699
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 2: than anything, we have made the conscious decision to transfer

700
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: money from young to old. Old people have figured out

701
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: a way to vote themselves more money, and they continue

702
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: to do it. The forty billion dollar child tax credit

703
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,479
Speaker 2: gets stripped out of the infrastructure bill, the one hundred

704
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: and thirty billion dollar increase in cost of living adjustment

705
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 2: for seniors flies right through Congress because old people vote.

706
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: And it's just insane to me that we have the

707
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: largest economic transfer in history annually happen, every being done

708
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 2: in twelve months from young to old. There used to

709
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 2: be twelve people supporting every retired worker, now there's three.

710
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: We haven't raised the age. All this nonsense around Doge.

711
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: You know they save two and a half billion dollars.

712
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 2: You could six sax of Doge by cutting off all

713
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: subsidies to Tesla it's if you really want to be

714
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 2: an adult here about the fact that we're spending seven

715
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: trillion on five trillion revenues.

716
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 3: There's only two things you can do.

717
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to go after entitlements and you're going

718
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: to or you're gonna have to raise taxes. And the

719
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: answer is yes. At some point, we're going to need

720
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: an adult that says, I'm sorry, folks, we have to

721
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: do both. I'm the person that's going to cut your

722
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: entitlements or at least means tested and age gate it,

723
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: and I'm going to have.

724
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 3: To raise your taxes.

725
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: And what we've decided is the people who vote and

726
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 2: the wealthiest people. Taxes for incorporations are at their lowest

727
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: level since nineteen twenty nine. The twenty five wealthiest Americans

728
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 2: are paying six percent of taxes. And we like to

729
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 2: think that, oh, we can't lower taxes, they're too high.

730
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: There's a strange dynamic in the US whereas the people

731
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: who get most screwed by our tax code are not

732
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: only young people, but well, let's just stop. There two

733
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: biggest tax deductions mortgage interest rate and capital gains. Who

734
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 2: owns stocks and homes, people age, who rents and makes

735
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 2: some money from salary. Young people social Security tax. My

736
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: analyst who works for me makes one hundred and sixty grand,

737
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: pays nine grand to earn social Security tax. I make

738
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: substantially more than that, and I pay nine grand because

739
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: we've decided to cap it such that it's a regressive tax,

740
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,959
Speaker 2: so we keep transferring more and more money to the old.

741
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 2: And what you know, young people aren't economically it's economically viable,

742
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: which is more important for a man. Three quarters of

743
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 2: women's say economic viability is important in a mate. Only

744
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: one in four men say that it's important. So we

745
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: essentially have just the most depressed, obese, and anxious generation

746
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 2: in history, and we ask ourselves why.

747
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 3: Well, of course they're upset.

748
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: They're not doing as well as their parents. They can't

749
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: find a mate. There aren't as many venues to meet.

750
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: They meet online where they type in six feet or

751
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars plus. If you take out married,

752
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: obese and men under the age over the age of fifty,

753
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: that's two percent of the male popular. Men need a

754
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: place to demonstrate excellence. If you talk to couples that

755
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 2: have been married longer than thirty years, seventy five percent

756
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: of them say one was much more interested in the

757
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: other at the beginning, and it's almost always the male

758
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: who was more interested than the woman, because the downside

759
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 2: of sex is much greater for a woman than a man.

760
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: We've been taught for thousands of years to spread our

761
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: seed to the four corners of the earth. Women have

762
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 2: been taught for thousands of years to put up a

763
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 2: much finer filter to pick the strongest, smartest, and fastest seed.

764
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 2: And some they're just more selective. And I'm not suggesting

765
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: they should ever lower their standards, but typically what happened

766
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: in those relationships is the man had a chance to

767
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: demonstrate excellence. I worked with him, and I found out

768
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: he was really good at what he did. We went

769
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: to the same temple, and I saw how kind he

770
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 2: was to his parents. We spent time together, and we

771
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 2: worked at a food kitchen together, and I saw that

772
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: he was kind. I liked his hands, I like the

773
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: way he danced, I like the way he smelled, And

774
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 2: slowly but surely he raised his game in my mind,

775
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 2: and we fell in love and decided to have a

776
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: life together. Where does a man, a young man, demonstrate

777
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 2: excellence to get through that much finer filter that women have.

778
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: They're not going to work, they're not going to school.

779
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 2: The number of bars. I'm living in London, the number

780
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: of bars in London has declined forty percent. Kids don't

781
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,959
Speaker 2: have the money and they have this anti alcohol movement.

782
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 2: And just so I can really act like I'm crazy,

783
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: I think young people need to drink more. I think

784
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: this anti alcohol movement is the worst thing since remote

785
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: work for young people. I tell people jokingly, you need

786
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: to go out, drink more and make a series of

787
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: bad decisions that might payoff because the risk to your

788
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: twenty five year old liver of alcohol is dwarfed by

789
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 2: the risks of social isolation.

790
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: Well as a guy who owns a few bars and wineries.

791
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm with you Scott on that, but you're in yeah.

792
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 3: No.

793
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: But it's interesting. I love hearing. I mean, by the

794
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: way you've made this point about bars, it's interesting you're

795
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: sincere about it. You're not just being flipping about it.

796
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean people to your point. I mean

797
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: they're more isolated, more lonely, and more disconnects. One of

798
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: I mean, we can get to solutions in a minute,

799
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: but it's actually one of your foundational principles to address

800
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: some of these issues. Not just bars. I mean social

801
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: settings that can bring people together.

802
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: Sports leagues, church, nonprofits, national service tax credits for places

803
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: that bring people together, young people together. I mean, and

804
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: I'll ask you this, Think of your closest friends, I

805
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: mean your buddies, where you get together and you just

806
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: pick up a letter m no matter how long it's

807
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: been since you've seen them. Think about your romantic relationships

808
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: in your life. Did what percentage of them? Did alcohol

809
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 2: play some role in your formative yours?

810
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: Exactly?

811
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: Enough said?

812
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 3: Enough said, there you go.

813
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: No, I mean right, I mean everybody listening. How many

814
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: people listen to your point? That's ninety plus percent of folks, right,

815
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: I imagine.

816
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: Well, and six percent of our youth are addicted to

817
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 2: drugs and alcohol. Twenty six percent or twenty three percent

818
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,479
Speaker 2: are addicted to social media.

819
00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 3: Where's the real problem here?

820
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well said, you talked about minimum wage at seven

821
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: twenty five, and you've talked about the fact that if

822
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: you ingested for productivity and inflation, be closer to what

823
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: twenty three, twenty four or five dollars, And that you've

824
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: talked about the issues of vocation, community college. You know,

825
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: you brought up the woodshop frame and just how we

826
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: know those jobs exist, but we haven't persisted in providing

827
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: the sort of reputational support for those skills and the

828
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: actual education that we pulled away from our education system

829
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: K through twelve. What else should we be focused on

830
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: in terms of substantially trying to address this besides now

831
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: having an honest conversation about it.

832
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: Well, first off, I think you and the governor of

833
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 2: Washington have shown a lot of leadership around minimum wage,

834
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: and that is what we found is that the myth

835
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 2: that all these small businesses are going to go out

836
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: of business, it's just a myth that when you raise

837
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: minimum wage. Wonderful thing about lower middleclem households is that

838
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 2: when you give them a buck, they spend it all

839
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: and it creates a greater multiplier effect. And we haven't

840
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 2: seen a decline in businesses, economic growth, or an increase

841
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: in inflation when we raise minimum wage. So that's, in

842
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: my opinion, that's no brainer. I like to think I'm

843
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: helping the Democratic Party with messaging. I like to think

844
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: of a unifying theory of everything, and the unifying theory

845
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: of everything for me is anyone under the age of

846
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 2: forty that's a good person and works hard, should be

847
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: able to find someone, and should be able to raise

848
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: kids in a household without living in poverty. And the

849
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: first thing is twenty five dollars an hour minimum wage.

850
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 2: I don't, I just don't. It would hurt wal Mart stock,

851
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: it would hurt McDonald's stock, and it would be worth it.

852
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: I think more men in K through twelve education, if

853
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 2: you were to look reverse engineered to the single point

854
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: of failure for when boys become come off the tracks,

855
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 2: it's when they lose a male role model. We have

856
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 2: the most single parent homes of any nation in the world,

857
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 2: and when we say single parent, we really mean mom

858
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: is heading the household. That's ninety two percent of single

859
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: parent homes. And ends up is that girls in single

860
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: parent homes have the same outcome, same rates of high

861
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 2: school attendance and self harm. Boys become much more likely

862
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 2: to engage in self harm and not go to college.

863
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 2: It ends up that while boys are physically stronger, they're

864
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 2: mentally and emotionally much weaker. So we need more males

865
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: involved in K through twelve And even just saying that

866
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: boys need men in their lives used to trigger people,

867
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: and now mothers are recognizing that that's just not true.

868
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: We need boys involved in men's lives.

869
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: And Scott, you mean by that teachers, not just mentors,

870
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: people that are advocates, counselors in what respect.

871
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so all of the above after school programs, coaches,

872
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: they usually don't get paid.

873
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 3: More men.

874
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 2: I think the Catholic Church and Michael Jackson have screwed

875
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: it up for all of us. I think there's a

876
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: lot of wonderful men out there that don't have families

877
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: of their own. There are three times as women applying

878
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: to be big sisters as men applying to be big

879
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 2: brothers in America. Why one men aren't stepping up and

880
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: two I think they feel self conscious.

881
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 3: If you're a thirty five year old male.

882
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: Maybe doesn't have your own family or your own kids,

883
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: and you want to be involved or help out a

884
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: fifteen year old son of a single mother, don't people

885
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: look at you like there's something wrong with you. There

886
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 2: are a lot of wonderful men out there that I

887
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: have loved to get paternal and fraternal, and they're under

888
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: the illusion that if they're not a baller, that or

889
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: they haven't done have a degree in adolescent psychiatry. They

890
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: shouldn't get involved in a boy's life. I think of

891
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: the rings of masculinity. You got to take care of yourself,

892
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: you got to be strong, you gotta be economic viability,

893
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: You take care of your family, you take care of community.

894
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: But I think the ultimate expression of masculinity is to

895
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: get involved in the life of a child that isn't yours.

896
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 2: And we need more men involved. When my mom got divorced,

897
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: she made sure that a couple of her boyfriend she

898
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: kept in my life. There was a neighbor that used

899
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 2: to come over with his girlfriend to take me horseback riding.

900
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: I made really good friends with a stockbroker and I

901
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 2: used to swing by his the brokerage, Dean witter Reynolds

902
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 2: in Westwood after school. Lot of wonderful men in my life.

903
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: So one, men need to step up. More big brothers programs,

904
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 2: more coaching. I would like to see a mandatory national service.

905
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 3: If you look at if you.

906
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: Look at Israel, lowest levels of young adult depression in

907
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: the West, despite all the existential threats. I was just

908
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: in Israel and I met with a battalion of one

909
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 2: hundred and ten from the idf all these beautiful young

910
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 2: men and women fit outdoors, learning how to handle assault rifles,

911
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: getting to the point where they're so skilled that the

912
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 2: man or the woman next to you would literally depend,

913
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 2: you know, trust you, with their lives and serving the

914
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: agency of something bigger than themselves. And that's where they

915
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: meet friends. That's where they meet mentors, co founders, and mates.

916
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 2: I'd like to see national mandatory, national service where people

917
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: can meet others from different sexual orientations, different income classes,

918
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: different ethnicity, so we start to see each other as

919
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 2: Americans before we see each other as trans or Republican.

920
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 3: Or rich or poor.

921
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: I think any college it's not growing as freshman class

922
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: faster than population growth should and has an endowment over

923
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: a billion dollars should lose its tax re status. Dartmouth

924
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 2: has eight billion dollar endowment, five hundred students. It's not

925
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 2: a college, it's a hedge fund with classes.

926
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 3: It's just insane. If you had a drug that made

927
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 3: people less obese.

928
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: Four times more likely to get married, likely to run

929
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: for office, much less likely to get divorced, much less

930
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: likely to have diabetes, whilch ahard that drug. That's what

931
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 2: me and my colleagues are doing. At elite higher institutions,

932
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: we purposely sequester artificially constrained supply. We could let in

933
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: five x the number of kids we do now, but

934
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 2: we're all drunk on exclusivity. When my dean announces we've

935
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 2: rejected eighty five percent of our applicants, you know what

936
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 2: me and my colleagues do.

937
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 3: We stand up and we allawed. It's awful.

938
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: And I really appreciate the University of California and what

939
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 2: the cal state system is doing trying to increase its

940
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 2: population by the amount of one class. But unfortunately a

941
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: lot of elite institutions have not have not received the memo.

942
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 3: I just toured.

943
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 2: I did a calle true with my son University Chicago.

944
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: Four percent admissions rate. Do four percent admissions right?

945
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: And you were, by the way, literal when and just

946
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: for listeners, when you said nine percent of UCLA. It's

947
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: nine percent at UCLA, eleven percent at Berkeley. It is interesting,

948
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: Scott use over the entire system it's now seventy percent.

949
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 1: Just broke seventy percent, but at those specific campuses because

950
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: of UC mer said and other ucs, we're making progress,

951
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: but it's not good enough. In your point, it's even

952
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: worse if you look at degrees. If you're trying to

953
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: get a computer science degree or something, you're talking one

954
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: to three percent of people getting in. And you're right.

955
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: You hear it all the time faculty.

956
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 3: In others.

957
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 1: It's not a knock at faculty, but people start to

958
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: applaud I've been in those meetings just as you described,

959
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: and it's gross.

960
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 3: And California gets it.

961
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: I'm not a billionaire, but I've given a lot of

962
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: money to UCLA and Berkeley because California gets that. The

963
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: cal State system is probably the unsung hero.

964
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: Right, biggest pelgrant recipient in the world in the United States,

965
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 1: biggest conveyor metal talent the country.

966
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 2: Pel grants saved my ask Governor. I'm the recipient of

967
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: affirmative action because I came from a household that was

968
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 2: in the lower third economically, I got unfair advantage and

969
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: I got pelgrants. I couldn't have gone to college without them.

970
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: And it's worked out for everybody. And also so I

971
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 2: do think there's schools to get it. I think what

972
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: ASU is doing with Michael Crowe. I do think there

973
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: are schools that get you dubbed Madison. I just took

974
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: my kid at the University Wisconsin Madison, fifty thousand good

975
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 2: kids from Minneapolis and Wisconsin University of North Carolina doing

976
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: their job trying to expand it.

977
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 3: So some people get the memo. The majority of elite.

978
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: Institutions now see themselves in their as their mes bags,

979
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: not as public servants. In terms of solutions, we just

980
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 2: need to put more money in the pockets of young people.

981
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 3: I like what Portugal did with a tax holiday.

982
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 2: If you gave every person under the age of forty

983
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 2: who makes less than one hundred thousand dollars a tax holiday,

984
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 2: it wouldn't cost that much because reality is they don't

985
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: make that much money. I think all capital gains should

986
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: be like the Reagan administration. There shouldn't be long term

987
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 2: or short term. Why is sweat less noble than the

988
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: money my money makes? Why is rent less noble than

989
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 2: the money you pay for a mortgage. That's nothing but

990
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 2: an elegant transfer of money from the young to the old.

991
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 2: And then you want to talk about the greatest intergenerational

992
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 2: theft in history.

993
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 3: COVID.

994
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,439
Speaker 2: We took seven trillion dollars. A million people dying would

995
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 2: be bad, But if I got less wealthy, it'd be tragic.

996
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: So we took seven trillion dollars flushed into the economy.

997
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 2: Eighty five percent of it wasn't spent. It wasn't spent

998
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: on food, or medicine or housing. Eighty five percent of

999
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 2: it wasn't spent.

1000
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 3: So where did it go?

1001
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 2: It went into the markets, and housing went from two

1002
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety thousand average household to four to ten

1003
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 2: in just four years. The stock market went crazy, so

1004
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: I got richer and richer, and young people the entrance

1005
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 2: everything got more expensive. When you bail out the baby

1006
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: boomer owner of a restaurant, all you're doing is transferring

1007
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 2: opportunity away from the recent graduate of a culinary academy

1008
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 2: at twenty six who wants her shot. The reason I

1009
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 2: get to live the life I lead economically is in

1010
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, we bailed out the banks, but

1011
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: we let the markets fall. The markets are cyclical, and

1012
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 2: disruption transfers power and money back from incumbents to entrants.

1013
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: And what did I get to do? I got to

1014
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 2: buy Netflix, Apple, and Amazon at eight ten and twelve

1015
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: dollars a share, and Netflix is at nine point forty.

1016
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 2: Where does a young person find value now because we've

1017
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 2: decided to use their credit card to bail us out.

1018
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 2: When shit gets real, I'm in the club doing rails

1019
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 2: of cocaine and champagne, and the closest a young person

1020
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 2: gets is they get to throw me their credit card

1021
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: so I can spend where the government can spend seven

1022
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 2: trillion dollars a year on five trillion in receipts, such

1023
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 2: as young people are going to have to pay this

1024
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: shit back. It's criminal such that the stock market stay

1025
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: is high. So that's that you and I stay wealthy.

1026
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 2: So I think almost every major economic policy can be

1027
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 2: reverse engineered to one thing. How do we maintain the

1028
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 2: incumbents wealth at the cost of potential entrance?

1029
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: If I can just briefly enter the world of partisan politics,

1030
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting these trend lines of obviously accrued

1031
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: to the Trump candidacy. I mean, you saw with the numbers.

1032
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: I think it, you know, and forgive me if I'm

1033
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: off a little bit, But I think in the first

1034
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: Trump election he won forty one percent of young voters,

1035
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: fifty six percent of young voters in this last election. Obviously,

1036
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: so much focus on his outreach and in terms of

1037
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: focusing on the quote unquote manisphere focusing on sports more

1038
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 1: of a hyper masculine frame of outreach and engagement. Don't

1039
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: get me started or don't even get you started, though

1040
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: I would love to actually get you started. But with

1041
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: the DNC's lack of engagement to young men nonexistent. Doesn't

1042
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: exist in the Democratic Party, hasn't in the past. But

1043
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: give me a sense of you're over under. Was that

1044
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 1: very intentional on his part? Was he just the beneficiary

1045
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 1: of that because of the neglect of the Democratic Party

1046
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: and he sort of stumbled into it. What do you

1047
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: make of the difference between the two parties in terms

1048
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: of trying to approach some of these issues in a

1049
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: sincere and honest way.

1050
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 2: The three biggest own goals in American history where our

1051
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: entry into Iraq or in recent history, these ridiculous tariffs

1052
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: that is the most elegant way to reduce prosperity in history,

1053
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: and the Democratic Committee losing to an insurrectionist and this

1054
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 2: is how we managed to steal, to snatch the feet

1055
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: from the jaws of victory. This was supposed to be

1056
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 2: a referendum on women's rights. Understandably it was, and women's

1057
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: rights did not show up which showed up was testosterone. Specifically,

1058
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 2: young men are really struggling. And if you look at

1059
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 2: the three groups of pivoted hardest from blue to red

1060
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 2: twenty twenty to twenty twenty four, it was one Latinos,

1061
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 2: who I believe don't want to be identified as a group.

1062
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: The Mexican Americans in South California have much different priorities

1063
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: in Cuban Americans in Southern Florida, and even identifying them

1064
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 2: as a group I think pisses them off too. People

1065
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 2: under the age of forty per your comments, they're just

1066
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 2: not doing well. And when you're not doing as well

1067
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: as your parents, you feel rage and all you want

1068
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: is disruption. You don't even want change. You want the

1069
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: candidate who is kind of chaotic because you're like, whatever's

1070
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: going on here is not working for me. And then

1071
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 2: the third and most interesting group the pivoted hardest from

1072
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 2: blue to red, was forty five to sixty four year

1073
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 2: old women. And my thesis is that's their mothers. And

1074
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 2: there's still a lot of women in the US who

1075
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: will vote for what they perceive is best for their

1076
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 2: husbands or their sons. And when you're a mother and

1077
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 2: your son is in the basement playing video games and vaping.

1078
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 2: You don't give a shit about territorial sovereignty in Ukraine,

1079
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 2: or women's rights or transgender rights. You just want change.

1080
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 2: Trump campaign, to their credit, was brilliant. They flew right

1081
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: into the manisphere rockets crypto Joe Rogan went He went on,

1082
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan, do you realize with forty million audio downloads,

1083
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 2: assume me forty million YouTube videos and fifteen million audio downloads.

1084
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Speaker 2: For vice president to get the same level of exposure

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Speaker 2: Vice President Harris, she would have had to gone on CNBC, MSNBC,

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Speaker 2: Fox and CNN every night for three hours.

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Speaker 3: For two weeks.

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Speaker 2: They totally outplayed as governor and then talk about young

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Speaker 2: men not going to the Republican Party but moving away from.

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Speaker 3: The Democratic Party.

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Speaker 2: I like you was at the convention and what I

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Speaker 2: saw was a three day parade of special interest groups

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Speaker 2: representing everybody but the one group that has fallen furthest.

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Speaker 3: Fastest, and that as young men.

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Speaker 2: If you go to the DNC dot org website, it

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Speaker 2: has a site that says who we serve. Explicitly, it

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Speaker 2: says who we serve and it goes on to list

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Speaker 2: sixteen demographic groups ranging from Asian Pacific Islanders, the Black Americans,

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Speaker 2: the disabled veterans. I added it up, it's seventy four

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Speaker 2: percent of the US population. When you say you're explicitly

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Speaker 2: advocating for seventy four percent of the US population, you're

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Speaker 2: not advocating for them, You're discriminating against the twenty six percent.

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Speaker 2: And young men went viciously towards Trump. So did the

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Speaker 2: women in their lives supporting them, and that was enough

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Speaker 2: to swing groups who had traditionally been Democratic to Trump.

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Speaker 2: And this was a huge own goal. An honest question

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Speaker 2: is how did we let this happen? Quite frankly, we

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Speaker 2: ignored the group that has fallen furthest fastest. This wasn't

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Speaker 2: This wasn't This was the testosterone election. And Trump figured

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Speaker 2: that out and went.

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Speaker 3: And flew right into it.

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Speaker 1: Look, if Democratic Party is not listening, they sure as

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Speaker 1: hell better listen. Are there's going to repeat history. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate Scott, you're reinforcing this, and you know, we know

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Speaker 1: we're short on time, and I guess it begs the

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Speaker 1: final question, you know, what is the hesitancy to the party?

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Speaker 1: Is it just that you know, I think you've heard

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Speaker 1: the old phrase pay all male. You know, we've had

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Speaker 1: all the privileges you mentioned, three thousand years of sort

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Speaker 1: of male dominance, the Me Too movement, this notion that

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Speaker 1: you know, we still have gender disparity, we still have

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Speaker 1: all these issues. Is it just our unwillingness as a party,

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party? What do you to just own up

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Speaker 1: to this fact? Or is it do we feel it's

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Speaker 1: just we're talking only about white males. What is it

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Speaker 1: that you think has restricted the capacity for the Democratic

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00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: Party to fully embrace and understand this gap in terms

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Speaker 1: of their electoral thinking, let alone the policy substance behind it.

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Speaker 2: I think we became too obsessed with achieving social status

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00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 2: versus doing things that actually helped people grow the material

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00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 2: or the psychological well being. And I think identity politics

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00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 2: is for a long time, I think it was just

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00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 2: smart to cater to the specific needs and the easiest

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00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 2: way to identify people was through their identity. And I

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00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 2: think and by the way, I'm really hopeful for the

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00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 2: Democratic Party. I think this tariff nonsense is just unbelievable

1137
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 2: opportunity for us to go. These people are insane and

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00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: they're producing your prosperity. I think this is a gift

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00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 2: to us. And the reason I have been and will

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00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: be for the rest of my life a Democrat is

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00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: that Democrats we get it wrong, but our heart's in

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00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: the right place. We're trying to do the right thing.

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00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes do we carry it too far? We'd do and

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Speaker 2: what I would argue is using what needs to happen

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00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: at universities as a metaphor for what needs to happen

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Speaker 2: to the Democrat. You know, I'll use the University of California.

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00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety seven, the University of California dipped away

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00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 2: with race based affirmative action and they shifted to an

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Speaker 2: adversity score.

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Speaker 3: Was what they realized is the daughter of a time

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Speaker 3: when he's private equity billionaire. It's not diversity.

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Speaker 2: But if you're a trans kid, a white kid who's trans,

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Speaker 2: who's faced incredible uphill battle, you deserve a second look,

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00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 2: a second shot. And I think the Democratic Party to

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00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 2: move away from identity politics and focus really on one thing,

1156
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 2: and that is the unifying theory of everything should be

1157
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 2: that if you're young and you're a good kid, you

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00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 2: should have be able to have a job that pays.

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Speaker 3: A certain wage.

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Speaker 2: You should be able to find someone to fall in

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Speaker 2: love with, and you should be able to have a

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Speaker 2: home and kids. We need seven million homes in ten years,

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00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: manufactured homes that cost thirty to fifty percent less than

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00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 2: homes built on site. We need a minimum wage of

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00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 2: twenty five bucks an hour. We need a tax holiday

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00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 2: for people under the age of forty. We need national

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00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: service and more third places where people can fall in love.

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Speaker 2: And stop this identity politics. We are here to give

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00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 2: everyone a shot. Everyone and affirmative action in America should

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00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 2: should thrive, but it should be based on color, and

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00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 2: that color is green. We need in America. This is

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00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 2: a collective victory. You'd rather be born gay or nine

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00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 2: white than poor today.

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Speaker 3: So let's go after Let's help the people.

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Speaker 2: Let's use the full faith and resources of the greatest

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Speaker 2: experience in history, the best performing organization in history, the

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Speaker 2: US government that's offered more rights and prosperity for a

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00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 2: lower cost taxes than any organization in history. Let's puild

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00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: a full weight. Let's put the full weight of that

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00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 2: incredible organization around the people who need it most in

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Speaker 2: the US, and that is the poor. Let's let's stop

1182
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 2: this nonsense where the richer are protected by the law

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00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 2: but not bound by it, and the poor are bound

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00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 2: by the law but not protected by it. The constitutions

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00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 2: here to protect the lower fifty. This nonsense of rounding

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00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 2: people up and sending them to healthscapes. Guess what knowing

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Speaker 2: you or I know is risk. I could be in

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Speaker 2: deepest reddist Mississippi. I have access to messifest round because

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Speaker 2: I have money. That is not why the government is here.

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Speaker 2: The government isn't here to make you or me richer.

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Speaker 2: The government is to help the lower half. And I

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Speaker 2: think that's that's where the Democratic Party needs to go

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00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: and get away from identity politics because it's it's creating

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00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 2: more problems than it's solving.

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Speaker 1: Scott has been wonderful to spend time with you. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for your insight, thank you for your recommendations, and

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Speaker 1: thank you for always being so candid and forthright.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Governor, and thank you to the toxpayers of California.

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Speaker 2: Literally changed my life.

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Speaker 1: I love it.