WEBVTT - Latinos vs. The 2024 Election

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Crash Course, a podcast about business, political, and

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<v Speaker 1>social disruption and what we can learn from it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Tim O'Brien. Today's Crash Course Latinos versus the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four election. Consider the numbers. Latinos represent the US electorate's

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<v Speaker 1>second fastest growing voting group after Asian Americans. About thirty

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<v Speaker 1>six point two million Latinos are expected to vote in

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty twenty four presidential election, four million more voters

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<v Speaker 1>than in the twenty twenty election. According to the Pew

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<v Speaker 1>Research Center, Latino voters have tended to have low turnout

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<v Speaker 1>rates and elections, but this hefty increase in that electoral

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<v Speaker 1>pool is due to the mobilization of enthusiastic and engaged,

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<v Speaker 1>younger US born Latino voters, and you'll find that growth

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<v Speaker 1>concentrated in swing states in the Western US like Nevada

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<v Speaker 1>and Arizona. Forty five percent of all eligible voters in

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<v Speaker 1>New Mexico are Latina knows, and California is home to

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<v Speaker 1>about twenty five percent of all eligible Latino voters in

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<v Speaker 1>the entire US. Latino voters have strong regional differences in

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<v Speaker 1>their cultures and values, and this plays out around what

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<v Speaker 1>they care about entrepreneurial opportunities, abortion, voting rights, citizenship, immigration,

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<v Speaker 1>and other issues are front and center. Latino voters played

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<v Speaker 1>a pivotal role in Joe Biden's twenty twenty victory, and

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<v Speaker 1>they will figure prominently in a twenty twenty four presidential

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<v Speaker 1>race in which Donald Trump can leverage strides he's made

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<v Speaker 1>courting them. The both work hard to woo Latinos, and

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<v Speaker 1>the race could be decided in part by who's the

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<v Speaker 1>most successful. I'm happy to tell you that Maria Teresa

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<v Speaker 1>Kumar joins me today to dig into all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Maria Theresa is the CEO of Voto Latino, an influential

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<v Speaker 1>advocacy group that mobilizes Latino voters around a range of issues.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been so successful that is now the largest voter

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<v Speaker 1>registration group in the ipocket community and among youth voters.

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<v Speaker 1>Greetings Maria Theresa.

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<v Speaker 2>Tim, I'm thrilled to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to tee this off by asking you,

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<v Speaker 1>in the most general of ways, what's at stake for

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<v Speaker 1>Latino voters in the twenty twenty four election.

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<v Speaker 2>That is such an all encompassing question, because I would say, Tim,

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<v Speaker 2>that it is no different than that of our neighbors

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<v Speaker 2>as American citizens. And one of the things that we

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<v Speaker 2>saw under the Donald Trump reign was that he put

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<v Speaker 2>Latino's front and center as the experiment of what he'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to do with the rest of Americans. And I'd

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<v Speaker 2>say this not lightly. We were absolutely the canaries in

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<v Speaker 2>the coal mine when he descended that escalator and basically

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<v Speaker 2>said that we were criminals and rapists. He tried to

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<v Speaker 2>be too smart by half saying that it was the

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<v Speaker 2>person crossing the border from Mexico. But there was not

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<v Speaker 2>a Latino in America who understood that he meant us.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he denigrated every single institution. When he went

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<v Speaker 2>first after a Latino reporter of hore Ramos, that was

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<v Speaker 2>his indication that he was going to go after the

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<v Speaker 2>press as a whole, and we saw that when he

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<v Speaker 2>was in office. Then we saw him go after a

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<v Speaker 2>Mexican judge, and we saw his playbook that he was

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<v Speaker 2>intending to do that for all of the judicial branch.

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<v Speaker 2>And if we were to take his word of what

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<v Speaker 2>he has now claimed in the New York Times, he

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<v Speaker 2>intends to concentrate power and make America a democracy on

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<v Speaker 2>paper only, and so while we have absolutely the Latino

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<v Speaker 2>community been at his cross hairs. First, we are the

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<v Speaker 2>litmus test of what he intends to do with our

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<v Speaker 2>democratic institutions as a whole. And so when he speaks,

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<v Speaker 2>you and I both took him seriously. From the onset.

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<v Speaker 2>We saw many colleagues kind of shrike him off as

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<v Speaker 2>a joke. But if someone tells you who you are,

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<v Speaker 2>you believe him the first time. And boy, has he

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<v Speaker 2>fulfilled everything he said he was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there should be a little question in people's mind

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<v Speaker 1>about who Donald Trump is and what he intends to do.

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<v Speaker 1>There's enough evidence now. People might have skated on that

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty sixteen, if they didn't read or listen, they

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<v Speaker 1>might have gotten away with that. But you know no

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<v Speaker 1>longer and you know. And why should other voting groups

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<v Speaker 1>be concerned about all of this, whether they're Asian America

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<v Speaker 1>voters or black voters or white voters. What is the

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<v Speaker 1>common thread or the commonalty here that each group should

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<v Speaker 1>pay attention to.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that one of the reasons that immigrants

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<v Speaker 2>fled and are here because they recognized that they had

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<v Speaker 2>a deep entrepreneurial spirit, but perhaps no connections. And in America,

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<v Speaker 2>if you have a good, fine idea, it has a shot.

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<v Speaker 2>In Latin America, you don't have a shot at all

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<v Speaker 2>at your big dreams because you are immediately born into

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<v Speaker 2>a class, whether you like it or not, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>immediately born into a corrupt system that you may have

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<v Speaker 2>a great idea, but you're going to have to grease

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<v Speaker 2>the hands of someone as little as the cable guy

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<v Speaker 2>to put in your internet connection so that you can

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead and found your company. And so when folks say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what is Donald Trump? You know, why is he such

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<v Speaker 2>a threat to democracy? I also like to say we

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<v Speaker 2>often talk about the rights that he has said that

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to abdicate, whether it's a woman's rights and

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<v Speaker 2>agencies over her body through abortion, whether it's condoning book

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<v Speaker 2>banning so that we don't know our history. We can

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<v Speaker 2>talk about those rights as fundamentals, but then we should

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<v Speaker 2>also look at the rights of what makes America a

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<v Speaker 2>thriving democracy, and it is because we believe in a capitalist,

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<v Speaker 2>just system. Do we actually achieve that every day? No?

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<v Speaker 2>Are we aspirational? Absolutely? And when folks from business Tim

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<v Speaker 2>and I say this because you're with Bloomberg, often say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump or Biden doesn't really make a difference. I

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<v Speaker 2>always counteract. Is like the reason that we were able

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<v Speaker 2>to be the first people on the moon, the reason

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<v Speaker 2>that we were able to have an iPhone in our pocket,

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<v Speaker 2>the reason that we have been at the cutting edge

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<v Speaker 2>of research is that the government has been out of

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<v Speaker 2>our business to think big as an individual. But the

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<v Speaker 2>moment that you have in isocrasy that disrupts the ability

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<v Speaker 2>for the little person with big ideas to break through

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<v Speaker 2>because under the autocracy system, it depends on what favors

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<v Speaker 2>you will do to your local government and to the

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<v Speaker 2>top of the government and to part of the party.

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<v Speaker 2>We can say that it's one of the reasons why Russia,

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<v Speaker 2>being as large as it is, has not been able

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<v Speaker 2>to thrive because it is an oligarchy. The reason that

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<v Speaker 2>communist China every time there's a big idea look at

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<v Speaker 2>Ali Baba, it has dampened its ability to compete in

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<v Speaker 2>commerce in large part. And why you have so many

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<v Speaker 2>middle class Chinese fleeing right now is that they have

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<v Speaker 2>now hit a level of what they can and cannot

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<v Speaker 2>do in their country. And so in thriving democracy is

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<v Speaker 2>dependent on a thriving middle class with the ability to

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<v Speaker 2>think big as an entrepreneur.

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<v Speaker 1>I would add to the great point you made about

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<v Speaker 1>how the US can excel spanned opportunities and take on

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<v Speaker 1>challenges is because of our diversity. We have an innovative economy,

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<v Speaker 1>and innovation comes from new ideas, and it comes from

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<v Speaker 1>a plurality of ideas, and those ideas and that innovation

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<v Speaker 1>are only as strong as the diversity of the population

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<v Speaker 1>they represent, which is another reason why immigration is key

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<v Speaker 1>to both US democracy and US opportunity and US economic growth.

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<v Speaker 1>Which anyone who really digs into this nos and anyone

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<v Speaker 1>who denies it as in telling the truth. In the

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<v Speaker 1>same way that Donald Trump said he'll be dictator on

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<v Speaker 1>day one, and we know he might be dictator for

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<v Speaker 1>thousands and thousands of days. Speaking of opportunity, you know

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<v Speaker 1>your story I find inspiring and interesting. You were born

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<v Speaker 1>in Colombia, then your family moved to California. You went

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<v Speaker 1>to college at UC Davis and then graduate school at Harvard.

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<v Speaker 1>Along the way, you became a legislative aid before joining

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<v Speaker 1>Voto Latino. So tell me a little bit about how

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<v Speaker 1>do you think about all that looking back at it now?

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<v Speaker 2>So just to backup a few steps. My mother was

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<v Speaker 2>a single mom in Colombia. She was Afro Colombian and

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<v Speaker 2>had an eighth grade education. By all those metrics, tim

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<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't be where I am today because I was

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<v Speaker 2>born into a system that was already stacked against me

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<v Speaker 2>for all of the legacy of what it means to

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<v Speaker 2>be black in Colombia. My mother met my father, who

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<v Speaker 2>adopted me when I was one year old, shortly after

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<v Speaker 2>he met my mother, and they got married, though he

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<v Speaker 2>got really ill, and so my parents had to pack

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<v Speaker 2>their bags and move from a very solidly middle class

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<v Speaker 2>in Colombia to northern California, where I like to say

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<v Speaker 2>prepared me for the moment of Donald Trump. And I

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<v Speaker 2>say this because my grandparents did not have their wits

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<v Speaker 2>about them. That my father shows up with Latina and

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<v Speaker 2>her daughter and their only interaction, quite frankly, with Latinos

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<v Speaker 2>at the time were the migrant workers that worked their fields.

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<v Speaker 2>And so while my father convalesced, I was three at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, I navigated a household that was already trying

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<v Speaker 2>to define who I was, but who loved us nonetheless,

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<v Speaker 2>and set my mother to work in the field. You

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<v Speaker 2>can imagine how awkward that was for Thanksgiving, but it

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<v Speaker 2>started informing me also of the possibility that America offered me.

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<v Speaker 2>I will never forget. My proudest moment was when I

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<v Speaker 2>was nine years old and I had just come back

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<v Speaker 2>from city hall in San Francisco, and the teacher asked

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<v Speaker 2>what we were thankful for, and I raised my hand

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<v Speaker 2>very proudly saying that I was thankful that today I

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<v Speaker 2>was an American citizen. I believe that it meant so

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<v Speaker 2>much for me to be able to unopen these possibilities

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<v Speaker 2>that I knew at a very young age in Colombia

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<v Speaker 2>were closed. My mother worked very hard to help make

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<v Speaker 2>THENDS me But then I went to UC Davis and

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<v Speaker 2>my world opened up.

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<v Speaker 1>And you took great advantage of those opportunities that came your.

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<v Speaker 2>Way, Oh Tim, I was hungry because I will tell

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<v Speaker 2>you that I knew that it was through education and

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<v Speaker 2>through access that I was going to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>have a different life, not for myself, but for the

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<v Speaker 2>family that I wanted in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>If that makes sense, it does make sense. And I

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<v Speaker 1>also love your use of the word hungry because it's

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<v Speaker 1>so evocative, right, It's you know, literal hunger for food.

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<v Speaker 1>It's intellectual hunger for new ideas, it's hungry for new opportunities.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think a lot of people can be hungry.

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<v Speaker 1>Not every one of them feeds themselves in the way

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<v Speaker 1>that you have and the other things that you talk

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<v Speaker 1>about about your direct experience as an immigrant. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an Irish American, many generations removed. I think my

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<v Speaker 1>relatives first came over in the eighteen thirties or the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen forties. And I think recent waves of immigrant Americans,

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<v Speaker 1>because we are an immigrant country by definition, forget that

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<v Speaker 1>we have this commonality, because we've gotten ours, whether that's

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<v Speaker 1>economic or cultural, or spiritual or political, the legacy migrants

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<v Speaker 1>have put their stakes in the ground, and I find

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<v Speaker 1>it troubling when they don't read their own history and

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<v Speaker 1>look at actually the important bonds they share with newer

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<v Speaker 1>generations of migrants.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think you spark something oftentimes people like to

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<v Speaker 2>And this was really very much unleashed by Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>but I would say Sarah Palin had a hand in

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<v Speaker 2>it as well. This idea of how immigrants are the

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<v Speaker 2>challenge in America, and in fact, what we've been able

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<v Speaker 2>to demonstrate throughout history, whether we're talking about Irish Americans,

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<v Speaker 2>whether we're talking about Chinese Americans, and the list goes

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<v Speaker 2>on that, in fact, what we've been able to do

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<v Speaker 2>so differently than the rest of the world is bring

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<v Speaker 2>in the most innovative entrepreneurs. And they may not be

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<v Speaker 2>entrepreneurs in our sense, but they're entrepreneurs in that they've

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<v Speaker 2>recognized that they're fleeing something that is in just or

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<v Speaker 2>so stacked that they come to the United States because

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<v Speaker 2>they think that here they could become the best versions

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<v Speaker 2>of themselves. And as a result, in a multicultural America,

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<v Speaker 2>we all profit from it. And I often say Tim

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<v Speaker 2>that you don't have to take my word for it.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to take my word that multicultural America

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<v Speaker 2>is our superpower in an increasingly global world. You just

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<v Speaker 2>have to take nefarious activities of foreign actors who tried

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<v Speaker 2>to divide us in elections through race. There's well documented

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<v Speaker 2>that the Russians did massive interference in our twenty sixteen election,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was all around race. And it's because they

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<v Speaker 2>recognize that a divide in America is a weakened America,

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<v Speaker 2>but a collective, strong, multicultural America is the one that

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<v Speaker 2>we'll be able to actually map the next hundred years,

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<v Speaker 2>not just for the United States, but for the globe.

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<v Speaker 2>And while we may not be completely satisfied in attaining

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<v Speaker 2>what our founding fathers saw through the Constitution, we are

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<v Speaker 2>well ahead of everybody else, and a multicultural America will

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<v Speaker 2>demand collectively that we continue trying to achieve that perfect document.

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<v Speaker 1>So how did you come to vote Latino? How did

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<v Speaker 1>that happen for you?

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<v Speaker 2>So we're on the this is our twentieth year anniversary.

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<v Speaker 2>So I like to say we're twenty years young. And

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<v Speaker 2>if I were to be completely transparent, I was tragically

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<v Speaker 2>in New York when September eleventh happened, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>on the path of going into corporate America like so

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<v Speaker 2>many young people at the time, and I had this

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<v Speaker 2>realization that while I was the first person in my

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<v Speaker 2>family to graduate get my masters, and I was about

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<v Speaker 2>to engage in living the immigrant dream of every parent

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<v Speaker 2>for their child, that is different was that really my

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<v Speaker 2>dream was also acknowledging that my cousins who were younger

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<v Speaker 2>than I were not okay. And at the time tim

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<v Speaker 2>I did not have the language of institutional racism, but

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<v Speaker 2>there was something very clear that the women in my

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<v Speaker 2>family were thriving, and the young men in my family

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<v Speaker 2>were not. And we grew up in Sonoma, the liberal

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<v Speaker 2>bastion was as segregated as you could possibly imagine. And

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<v Speaker 2>I stepped back and I realized, I'm about to go

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<v Speaker 2>into corporate America to give people who have access in

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<v Speaker 2>information more access and information. And anyone can do that.

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<v Speaker 2>But at this point I had a set of values

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<v Speaker 2>that I felt that if we can enfranchise and start

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<v Speaker 2>talking to young people about the importance of their democracy

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<v Speaker 2>and how they fit into it and how they can

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<v Speaker 2>help self define themselves and their family by participating, that

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<v Speaker 2>we could have a revolution for good and it can

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<v Speaker 2>be transformative. And about a year later, I was talking

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<v Speaker 2>to a mentor of mine and he introduced me to

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<v Speaker 2>Rosario Dawson, who had just launched a campaign called Voda

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<v Speaker 2>Latino with MTV. And that's all it was supposed to be,

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<v Speaker 2>tim it wasn't supposed to be anything more. And I

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<v Speaker 2>saw this ad and granted I had worked in Congress,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd gone to the Kennedy School, I had been interning

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<v Speaker 2>the sacrament of State Legislature when I was in college.

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<v Speaker 2>I would consider myself highly political, but it wasn't until

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<v Speaker 2>I was twenty eight years old when I saw one

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<v Speaker 2>of the PSAs where one of the actors was looking

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<v Speaker 2>straight to the camera say registered to vote because I

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<v Speaker 2>can't that I finally felt seen that, I finally felt

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<v Speaker 2>someone say you are Latina and American and what a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful thing, and what's the power. And it was that

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<v Speaker 2>advocacy that I realized that this is where I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to spend my time, and so, believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 2>I quit my job. I moved back home to my

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<v Speaker 2>mom on the eve of my thirtieth birthday, and I

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<v Speaker 2>funded an underwrite vit Latino for the first three years

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<v Speaker 2>on my credit card. Whoever's hearing this, don't ever do

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<v Speaker 2>that this is a terrible idea. But it was this

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<v Speaker 2>deep understanding that I had navigated America for my mom

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<v Speaker 2>since I was nine years old, and there were millions

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<v Speaker 2>of other young people doing the same thing. And while

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<v Speaker 2>Latinos are the second fastest group of growing Americans, we're

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<v Speaker 2>also the second largest of Americans. And for the last

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<v Speaker 2>two census tim it's been because of the Latino growth.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifty two percent of the US population growth has been

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<v Speaker 2>attributed to Latinos, not immigration, but the birth of American Latinos.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can, in a kind of a direct and

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<v Speaker 1>succinct way, tell me a little bit about what your

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<v Speaker 1>involvement in Voda Latino meant to you as an activist

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<v Speaker 1>and someone who was deeply politicized.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I inherited Vota Latino, it was just an

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<v Speaker 2>idea in PSAs, and it was the first organization to

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<v Speaker 2>speak to me as an American, and I fell in

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<v Speaker 2>love with its possibility because I knew that when I

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<v Speaker 2>was underage, I was navigating this country for my mother,

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<v Speaker 2>for my grandmother by translating everywhere, and I knew that

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<v Speaker 2>millions of other Latino youths were doing the exact same thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and they didn't realize that at the time that when

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<v Speaker 2>they turned eighteen, all of a sudden, they would have

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<v Speaker 2>greater agency to impact their families than through simple translation,

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<v Speaker 2>by really navigating the country, by basically registering to vote,

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<v Speaker 2>registering their families and changing dynamics in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>And understanding the tools that they needed to use to

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<v Speaker 1>empower themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly the vote.

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<v Speaker 1>Alone, although it's an important one, but you brought many

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<v Speaker 1>other organizing principles to bear on that effort.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right. One of the things that if you

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<v Speaker 2>were to ask what makes us principally so different from

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<v Speaker 2>other voter registrations, I would define us more as a

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<v Speaker 2>civic education and advocacy organization, because not only do we

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<v Speaker 2>register you to vote, but then we inform you about

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<v Speaker 2>the issues that matter to you, and then we teach

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<v Speaker 2>you how to take action. We don't leave you the

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<v Speaker 2>next day, but we really create a community. And what's

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<v Speaker 2>neat is that if you were to go into Texas

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<v Speaker 2>and ask a seventeen year old if they know Little Latino,

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<v Speaker 2>almost seven out of ten will say that they do.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been able to say see how young people, once

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<v Speaker 2>they recognize that the levers of power really lie in

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<v Speaker 2>their hands, they participate and they start changing the direction

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<v Speaker 2>of their states.

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<v Speaker 1>So on that happy note of both brand recognition among

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<v Speaker 1>voters and your great organizing effort, I want to take

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<v Speaker 1>a quick break so we can hear from a sponsor,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we'll come right back. I'm back with Maria

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<v Speaker 1>Theresa Kumar, CEO of vot Latino, and we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the power and promise of Latino voters in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>You've just been regaling me with both your poignant and

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<v Speaker 1>powerful personal story of how you became a voter organizer

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<v Speaker 1>within the Latino community, and then Voto Latino's own strides

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<v Speaker 1>in both the depth of its representation across a number

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<v Speaker 1>of states and the variety of issues that it embraces

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<v Speaker 1>and advocates for. On that note, can we talk a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about demographic You know, I think many Americans,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly white Americans, think of Latinos as this big homogeneous

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<v Speaker 1>block of people doing something here there, And it's a

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<v Speaker 1>richly diverse, geographically dispersed community. And that's important, I think

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<v Speaker 1>in understanding that communities interests as voters and its needs

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<v Speaker 1>as citizens.

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<v Speaker 2>Right absolutely. And I think one of the things is

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<v Speaker 2>tim that most fellow Americans don't know is how young

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<v Speaker 2>the population is. So according to a Peuce study that

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<v Speaker 2>came out a few years ago, the most common age

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<v Speaker 2>among whites is fifty eight, the most common age among

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<v Speaker 2>African Americans is thirty three, But the most common age

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<v Speaker 2>among Latinos. I'll give you a guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm well, since you've set me up, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to say twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Two, eleven years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I wasn't even close, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Most folks aren't, right. I mean, I asked the same

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<v Speaker 2>question in Little Rock with a conversation we were having

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<v Speaker 2>with Hillary Clinton and her crowd, and I have to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you that when I said eleven years old, she

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<v Speaker 2>included gasped. But it also speaks to the moment we're in.

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<v Speaker 2>It speaks to the moment where you have voter suppression

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<v Speaker 2>laws that are trying to beat back not the voter today,

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<v Speaker 2>but the voter that's coming. It wasn't until twenty eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>that Latinas became the second largest demographic of voters. We

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<v Speaker 2>have a Latino voter turning eighteen every thirty seconds in

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<v Speaker 2>this country. And they are not on the coasts, but

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<v Speaker 2>they're in the eight states where we have focused on.

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<v Speaker 2>They are in Georgia, North Carolina, Nevada, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>We can park Florida there for a second, but this

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<v Speaker 2>is what's really interesting. In a place like Arizona, where

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<v Speaker 2>the Latino vote is close to forty percent of the vote,

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<v Speaker 2>what's just as interesting is that thirty five percent of

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<v Speaker 2>them are young people under the age of twenty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty, vote Latino proudly registered and turned out

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<v Speaker 2>thirty two thousand Arizonans. Nineteen thousand were first time voters.

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<v Speaker 2>Biden won by less than twelve thousand votes. But guess

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<v Speaker 2>what the opportunity is in Arizona alone. We're expecting one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty three thousand young people to have turned

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen in the last four years, so more than ten

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<v Speaker 2>times the margin of victory that Biden squeaked by.

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<v Speaker 1>And tell me, they also tend to be more engaged

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<v Speaker 1>with the process than their parents or their grandparents, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>they're less extisent about expressing themselves politically, about registering to vote,

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<v Speaker 1>about actually voting, which is a huge cultural and democratic

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<v Speaker 1>change that's fundamental.

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<v Speaker 2>Right Well, and this is where people like to say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we see that Latinos are turning to the right, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's not the case, because the older Latinos, even they

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<v Speaker 2>sixty percent of them voted for Biden. They did. Seventy

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<v Speaker 2>percent of young people voted for Biden in the last election.

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<v Speaker 2>But what we find is that people don't talk to

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<v Speaker 2>young people because they don't recognize how engaged they are

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<v Speaker 2>on the issues of gun safety, the environment, student loans, abortion, abortion,

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<v Speaker 2>right abortion, and so when people say, well, Latinos don't

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<v Speaker 2>care about abortion, said, the majority of Latinos are thirty

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<v Speaker 2>year old women. They don't want the government deciding what

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<v Speaker 2>their trajectory should right. They care because that eleven year

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<v Speaker 2>old is their kid, right, the one that I was

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<v Speaker 2>talking to you about. Right. And this is where I

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<v Speaker 2>think media and people in power really need to check

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<v Speaker 2>their biases at the door, because for so many years

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<v Speaker 2>we keep hearing that Latinos are deeply Catholic and therefore

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<v Speaker 2>anti abortion. But even though we're deeply Catholic, we are

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<v Speaker 2>Pope Francis Catholic who has been a leader and a

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<v Speaker 2>champion for social justice, for environmental movements, and yes for

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<v Speaker 2>recognizing that you should not shame a woman if they

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<v Speaker 2>have an abortion. And so I think that that's oftentimes

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<v Speaker 2>the disconnect when it comes to how people perceive Latino's

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<v Speaker 2>in our Catholicism. And I say this because I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's very important for us to understand how Latinos view

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<v Speaker 2>themselves when it comes to their politics.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and it's you know, it's also sorry to interrupt,

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<v Speaker 1>but I you know what you just said about the

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<v Speaker 1>church and then media biases. One step is for the

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<v Speaker 1>media to think about their biases. Of course, the other

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<v Speaker 1>thing is to do the hard work of not being

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<v Speaker 1>lazy in terms of who they're speaking to when they're

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<v Speaker 1>drawing conclusions about what voters want. Because there is an

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<v Speaker 1>active group of older, more traditional Latinos who are more

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<v Speaker 1>accessible many times for the media, and it's the younger voters.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that it's harder for the media to access

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<v Speaker 1>and pay attention to in the Latino community, and it

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<v Speaker 1>takes a little bit of work, but I think you'd

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<v Speaker 1>see more of these diverse views reflected in the media

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<v Speaker 1>if the media did a better job of extending the

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<v Speaker 1>range of the interviews it does.

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<v Speaker 2>That's absolutely right, and I think that unlike in the

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<v Speaker 2>older white community, where the majority of voters are older whites,

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<v Speaker 2>in the Latino community it's completely inverse. The biggest pool

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<v Speaker 2>of eligible voters are under the age of thirty three.

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<v Speaker 2>If you do not know how they're feeling, then you

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<v Speaker 2>actually don't know the course the country is going to take.

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<v Speaker 2>In a place like Florida, Florida is the only state

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<v Speaker 2>in America where young Latino voters will not eclipse older voters,

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<v Speaker 2>and so a lot of the media takes their clues

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<v Speaker 2>of what's happening in Florida, but they do not have

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<v Speaker 2>the pulse of what's happening in the rest of the country.

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<v Speaker 2>When you said that Latinos are of different backgrounds, it's

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely true. But what we have found at Vote Latino

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<v Speaker 2>is that the biggest commonality is not the country your

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<v Speaker 2>family came from. It's the state that you grew up in.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you grew up under our Pio's watch, it

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<v Speaker 2>actually doesn't matter what country your family came from, because

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<v Speaker 2>the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>You see you're referencing the Maricopa County, Yes sheriff in

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<v Speaker 1>Arizona who led basically with the club.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right. And so the moment that young person

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<v Speaker 2>walked out of that house, they were subjected to terrifying

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<v Speaker 2>racial profiling, in some cases witnessing their parents being locked away.

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<v Speaker 2>And so one of the things that we did at

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<v Speaker 2>Bode Latino is that we identified the eight states, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm proud to say that we have never left those states,

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<v Speaker 2>and in that bandwidth of ten years in twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>we have helped flip five of them. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>were to look at the only organization that has been

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<v Speaker 2>consistently there. It has been Vote Latino because in some cases,

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<v Speaker 2>some of these states don't have unions, in some cases

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<v Speaker 2>they don't have active plant Parenthood chapters, in some cases

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<v Speaker 2>they don't have a lot of national presence. But we

0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:54.560
<v Speaker 2>went into Georgia and we worked with Stacy Abrams long

0:25:54.640 --> 0:25:57.399
<v Speaker 2>before people told us it was a possibility. But it

0:25:57.480 --> 0:26:00.000
<v Speaker 2>was because while Latita's were only two percent of the populace,

0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:04.040
<v Speaker 2>when we started working there to vote, they were sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>percent of the classrooms. We knew that they were going

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<v Speaker 2>to eventually graduate to become voters. We took big bets

0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:14.200
<v Speaker 2>tim they faded off.

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<v Speaker 1>At least I think seven of the eight states you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned to our swing states, at least six. I guess

0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:21.320
<v Speaker 1>I would say, I don't think of Texas and Florida's

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<v Speaker 1>swing states.

0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:24.320
<v Speaker 2>Texas is the biggest possibility. Can I tell you Texas

0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:29.000
<v Speaker 2>is where California what. I'm bullish on Texas because Texas, actually,

0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:30.239
<v Speaker 2>you don't even have to take my word for it.

0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:31.320
<v Speaker 1>I'll take your word.

0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:36.080
<v Speaker 2>Twenty eighteen. In twenty eighteen, Latino youth actually increased their

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:40.640
<v Speaker 2>participation by twenty three percent. In twenty twenty, they came

0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:41.800
<v Speaker 2>out by twenty one percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, now that you've convinced me that Texas is in play,

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<v Speaker 1>which I did not think it could be in play,

0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:47.800
<v Speaker 1>and maybe you're saying it's going to be in play

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<v Speaker 1>one day. We can come back to that. But on

0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:52.120
<v Speaker 1>that note, I want to take a break and hear

0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:54.320
<v Speaker 1>from one of our sponsors, and then we'll continue this

0:26:54.440 --> 0:27:03.119
<v Speaker 1>very interesting conversation. I'm back and having a great conversation

0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 1>with Maria Teresa Kumar, CEO of Voto Latino, and we

0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:10.399
<v Speaker 1>are talking about the twenty twenty four presidential race. And

0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:13.680
<v Speaker 1>right before we took this break, Marie Theresa, we were

0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:18.280
<v Speaker 1>talking about activating the Latino vote in different states and

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:21.359
<v Speaker 1>what that might look like. We touched on Texas, and

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:23.320
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to step back from that in a big

0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:27.160
<v Speaker 1>picture way and hear you out about how you think

0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:31.360
<v Speaker 1>the Republicans slash Donald Trump and the Democrats slash Joe

0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 1>Biden are positioning themselves around the vote, and why don't

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:37.760
<v Speaker 1>we start with Trump and the GOP.

0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:42.359
<v Speaker 2>So the biggest opportunity for the Latino vote is going

0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:45.560
<v Speaker 2>to be among young people, because that's really where the

0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:48.160
<v Speaker 2>vote is growing. And if you see where the vote

0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:51.160
<v Speaker 2>is growing, where they will make significant impact, whether we're

0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:57.240
<v Speaker 2>talking about Georgia or North Carolina or Arizona, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin,

0:27:57.720 --> 0:28:01.880
<v Speaker 2>even Texas. The thing that makes me pause about the

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Republican's commitment to courting this increasingly powerful cohort in increasingly

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:13.880
<v Speaker 2>important swing states is that every chance they get, they

0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:16.200
<v Speaker 2>try to put a hurdle to their participation at the

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:19.160
<v Speaker 2>voting booth. And I think that's all we really kind

0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:22.120
<v Speaker 2>of need to know about what their priorities are. And

0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:27.640
<v Speaker 2>then you have in these same states very Strongmann type

0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:32.360
<v Speaker 2>of leadership that tries to escape the responsibility of legislating

0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:35.200
<v Speaker 2>for the whole of their population by trying to put

0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 2>the onus on the boogheman of the immigrant communities. And

0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:42.640
<v Speaker 2>one thing that I've been able to learn from experience

0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:46.280
<v Speaker 2>is that when you do that, whether it is a

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 2>shriff our PIO, a shared at Angle, Thompton Crado back

0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:52.720
<v Speaker 2>in Colorado, when we help flip that state, what you do,

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:56.320
<v Speaker 2>in fact is actually activate a community that's been a

0:28:56.440 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 2>political up to that moment, and they start participate aggressively

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 2>in elections because that voting booth becomes an SOS and

0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 2>it becomes their pathway to sovereignty from people who are

0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:15.480
<v Speaker 2>being so cruel to their families and the pressures of disenfranchisement.

0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:18.840
<v Speaker 2>And so when people talk about the Latino vote and

0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 2>they try to say, well, Latinos are going Republican, while

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:26.240
<v Speaker 2>the pulling may say that, their actions at the voting

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:31.160
<v Speaker 2>booth say something else. And I pointed most recently in

0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:36.040
<v Speaker 2>the special election in Ohio around abortion access, where in fact,

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:39.320
<v Speaker 2>if you were to dust off of who voted for

0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 2>that bill, overwhelmingly it was the black and Latino vote,

0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:46.480
<v Speaker 2>and the vote that was evenly split among men and

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:50.760
<v Speaker 2>women were white voters. And so when folks again tried

0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 2>to believe that Latinos are going right, I would like

0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 2>to say, well, just like there was never a red

0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:59.160
<v Speaker 2>wave during the mid term, there is not a Latino

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 2>defection from the Democratic Party. If anything, it might be

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:07.400
<v Speaker 2>disillusionment because change isn't happening fast enough, but it doesn't

0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:11.280
<v Speaker 2>mean that they're actually being right leading because the Party

0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:17.720
<v Speaker 2>of Trump has vocally demonstrated through rhetoric and action that

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 2>they don't believe in a multicultural America.

0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:26.640
<v Speaker 1>And on the GOP positioning towards DHACA, the dreamers and

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:30.280
<v Speaker 1>citizenship for migrants who are born here and grew up here,

0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:33.719
<v Speaker 1>and now our adults they have been tone deaf and

0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 1>heartless around that issue as well, in lots of ways,

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 1>in addition to the voting booth issues you've brought up.

0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:42.240
<v Speaker 1>When you say you know that the vote isn't fraying,

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:46.680
<v Speaker 1>what do you make of in twenty twenty? You know

0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:51.000
<v Speaker 1>this phenomenon where it was repeatedly run up the flag

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:57.680
<v Speaker 1>that cultural conservatism and sort of a pro business positioning

0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:01.720
<v Speaker 1>within certain segments of the Latin vote made Trump an

0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:05.840
<v Speaker 1>appealing candidate, and that in fact, a lot of sensationalism

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:11.400
<v Speaker 1>around socialism and creeping socialism, et cetera, et cetera was

0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 1>used effectively to change the cohort and provide Trump with

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:19.160
<v Speaker 1>inroads he hadn't enjoyed before in the party, hadn't enjoyed before.

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that's just a false narrative or isn't

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:23.800
<v Speaker 1>statistically significant?

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So I think that is. It's learning where that

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:34.320
<v Speaker 2>socialism message played well and where the Democrats ignored, and

0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 2>that was Florida. And that is because the Democrats were saying, well,

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:40.840
<v Speaker 2>how can possibly anyone believe that we're going in a

0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 2>socialist direction? That doesn't make any sense where America. What

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:47.400
<v Speaker 2>they failed were having cultural sensitivities that there were people

0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 2>in Florida who fled socialism and we're.

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Having particularly Cuban particularly.

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:59.160
<v Speaker 2>Cubans right and now the new wave of Venezuelans, and

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 2>so we along with others, were flagging that this was

0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 2>going to be a particular issue in Florida. When the

0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:10.120
<v Speaker 2>Republicans tried to take that message to Texas and to

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:13.240
<v Speaker 2>other states, it didn't bode well because most of the

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 2>folks that their families fled Latin America was not for

0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:19.320
<v Speaker 2>socialists regimes. They were here for economic reasons. So it

0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:22.240
<v Speaker 2>didn't mash up, it didn't align. And when we did

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of our polling post the election, we found

0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 2>that the folks that did vote for Trump, outside of

0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 2>the socialist message, the number one reason was because he

0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 2>was a businessman and number two because he signed their

0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 2>COVID checks. And so you can say what you want,

0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:41.240
<v Speaker 2>but they could say, well, I don't know what the

0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 2>Democrats are going to offer me, but this person can

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:44.840
<v Speaker 2>be a racist, but at least he provided me some

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 2>sort of relief. Right. There is a lot of learning

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:50.720
<v Speaker 2>that needs to happen in the Latino community. Is there

0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:54.720
<v Speaker 2>mostly first generation that a president's name on a check

0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 2>is actually not his cash but their cash.

0:32:57.280 --> 0:33:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Right, Which is actually the story of Thenald Trump's life

0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:04.360
<v Speaker 1>as a businessman too, is every check he signed has

0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:05.320
<v Speaker 1>been someone else's money.

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Who else is money? At least he's consistent. I mean,

0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you heard. That's good. So anyway,

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 2>So one of the things that we learned in twenty

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 2>twenty two, if you were to see what happened, for example,

0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:19.680
<v Speaker 2>because everybody kept outing Southern Texas, if you saw what

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:23.720
<v Speaker 2>happened in Southern Texas was that everybody that voted for

0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:29.080
<v Speaker 2>a Democrat in twenty sixteen was back aligned with Beto Urke.

0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 2>So there was one district that flipped, but that was

0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:36.600
<v Speaker 2>the only district in Texas that became Republican gerrymandered. So

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:40.560
<v Speaker 2>anything that was a Republican stripe was meant to win

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:44.760
<v Speaker 2>that seat District fifteen. What they did well was that

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:49.800
<v Speaker 2>they identified Magalatina to communicate what they do so well

0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 2>of using her as an example that they were making

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:56.320
<v Speaker 2>in roads. But what our data shows, and again what

0:33:56.680 --> 0:34:00.440
<v Speaker 2>Pew Charitable Trust recently was able to demonstrate too that

0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty two, the lack of investment in Latino

0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:09.719
<v Speaker 2>turnout by the Democratic Party had the Latino's participating by

0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:12.560
<v Speaker 2>thirty seven percent less than they did in twenty eighteen.

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:16.800
<v Speaker 2>So the headlines that Latino's were turning right did exactly

0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:19.640
<v Speaker 2>what it was meant to do. It cost investment in

0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:23.000
<v Speaker 2>the Latino community that could have favored the Democrats in

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:27.279
<v Speaker 2>Central California, in Upstate New York, in certain places where

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:28.800
<v Speaker 2>racist should not have been this close.

0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:31.480
<v Speaker 1>And so you would argue that there is no defection

0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:35.280
<v Speaker 1>taking place. It's on the edges. And what's really happening

0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:38.879
<v Speaker 1>is that the Democrats aren't committing as fully as they

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 1>should to actually grow this beautiful pie sitting right in

0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 1>front of them, right.

0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:48.120
<v Speaker 2>It is the most let's say, you know, oftentimes if

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:50.400
<v Speaker 2>you people ask what is it that you do, Maria Tresa,

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:54.359
<v Speaker 2>I say, I market democracy every single day. So if

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:58.359
<v Speaker 2>you take the best practices of Nike, Nike understands that

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:00.840
<v Speaker 2>the way they grow their market share is by talking

0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:05.239
<v Speaker 2>and advertising and explaining why Nikes are better than Adidas

0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:08.919
<v Speaker 2>and they're winning. If you talk to any corporate head

0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:12.080
<v Speaker 2>that does direct to consumer, if you ask them what's

0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:15.600
<v Speaker 2>your number one market that you're trying to attract. It's

0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:19.840
<v Speaker 2>going to be Latino youth because they have the youngest, fastest,

0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 2>great demographic of disposable in full stop. The fact that

0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:30.839
<v Speaker 2>the Democrats don't seem to completely own this opportunity is

0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:33.080
<v Speaker 2>really beside myself. I mean there are places like I

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:36.640
<v Speaker 2>mentioned earlier, Arizona, where Biden won that state by less

0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 2>than twelve thousand votes, but waiting in the wings are

0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:42.200
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and sixty three thousand Latino youth to be

0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 2>registered to vote, who when you pull them, are seventy

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:51.799
<v Speaker 2>percent aligned with progressive values. That's a marketplace miscalculation of

0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:53.040
<v Speaker 2>wasted opportunity.

0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:54.480
<v Speaker 1>The Rio Grande Valley.

0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:58.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah in Texas, Yeah, No, it's no, and it really is.

0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:00.600
<v Speaker 2>And it's not just the population in waiting on the

0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:03.759
<v Speaker 2>sidelines trying to learn a system, but it's also they

0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:08.000
<v Speaker 2>have incredible leadership in Texas, Arizona, and Nevada. The Nevada

0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:10.720
<v Speaker 2>State House for a while the leadership was all Latina women.

0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 2>That's powerful. That should signal to the Democrats that people

0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 2>are eager for leadership and eager to be talked to.

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:21.920
<v Speaker 2>And oftentimes ten people say we why do Latinos need

0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:25.239
<v Speaker 2>to be talked to. One is, oftentimes they come from

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:29.240
<v Speaker 2>families who have fled governments that democracy can get you hurt,

0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:33.439
<v Speaker 2>so you don't participate in those countries' governments. So there's

0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:36.800
<v Speaker 2>not a history of participation in this country. Number one.

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 2>But then number two, if you look at the school

0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:44.239
<v Speaker 2>systems in the US, only eight states require a year

0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:47.279
<v Speaker 2>of civic education out of fifty states to graduate from

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 2>high school, only eight out of fifty. If we know

0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:54.560
<v Speaker 2>in certain states like Texas, we're fifty two percent of

0:36:54.960 --> 0:37:00.000
<v Speaker 2>your kids K through twelve are Latino, seventy five percent

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:03.240
<v Speaker 2>of them are close to being people of color. Where

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:07.640
<v Speaker 2>is this new generation of Americans learning how democracy works.

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Well in that context? How do we educate people properly?

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:14.360
<v Speaker 1>And how do we get good information to people that

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:16.960
<v Speaker 1>they can act upon. And one of the other things

0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:22.319
<v Speaker 1>I've been curious and concerned about is young Latinos, like

0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 1>many young people everywhere, rely on social media as a

0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:30.240
<v Speaker 1>primary conduit for engagement with the world around them and

0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:36.279
<v Speaker 1>for acquiring and digesting information. And disinformation and misinformation are

0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:40.360
<v Speaker 1>long standing problems now on social and I was wondering

0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:43.480
<v Speaker 1>how you felt about the role it might play in

0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:47.600
<v Speaker 1>this election in terms of being a factor that people

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:50.440
<v Speaker 1>need to be aware of within the Latino community.

0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:53.839
<v Speaker 2>I think as a whole, my biggest concern going into

0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:57.600
<v Speaker 2>this election is that we are not ready, whether we're

0:37:57.640 --> 0:38:02.040
<v Speaker 2>talking about through government regulation, through politicians, through the media,

0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 2>through organizations, we are not ready to prepare our country

0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:08.480
<v Speaker 2>and its citizens for the deep fakes that are going

0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:11.880
<v Speaker 2>to be waiting in line. And we do need a

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:17.600
<v Speaker 2>quick way of teaching literacy on media consumption. And one

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.120
<v Speaker 2>of the ways that people are going to trust more

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:24.920
<v Speaker 2>than governments and more than traditional institutions and even media, sadly,

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:30.439
<v Speaker 2>are the people they know and influencers and corporations. When

0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:33.160
<v Speaker 2>you look at where people lay their trust, even though

0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:36.400
<v Speaker 2>people like to browbeat corporations, there's also a level of

0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:41.400
<v Speaker 2>trust in them that government entities sadly are not enjoying

0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:44.200
<v Speaker 2>because of the erosion of trust that disinformation has led to.

0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:47.000
<v Speaker 2>And so one of the things that vote works on

0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:49.279
<v Speaker 2>every year. We're one of the co founders of National

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Voter Registration Day, and during that time we were actively

0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 2>work with Walmart and Steve Madden, Zoomies and dozens of

0:38:57.320 --> 0:39:01.319
<v Speaker 2>organizations Universal music and such, and we provide them with

0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:04.120
<v Speaker 2>toolkits that they could share with their employees and with

0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:08.520
<v Speaker 2>their customers on basic information on where to vote, how

0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:10.759
<v Speaker 2>to vote. If they need a ride, we partner with

0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:12.840
<v Speaker 2>Uber so Uber can give them a ride to the polls.

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 2>But at the end of the day, it's going to

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:17.800
<v Speaker 2>be everyday citizens, because you have flagged my deepest concern

0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:20.319
<v Speaker 2>for this election. Are people going to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>properly cast a ballot on the day that they're supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to in the form that they're supposed to do with

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that they need because someone else has not

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<v Speaker 2>gotten into their ear and told them otherwise. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that we just saw in New Hampshire, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>was the fact that there was a deep fake robocall

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<v Speaker 2>telling Biden supporters not to go vote.

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<v Speaker 1>It was actually even a little worse than that. It

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<v Speaker 1>was an artificial Joe Biden voice exactly right, that was

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<v Speaker 1>well developed enough that recipients of the call believed it

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<v Speaker 1>was Biden on the line. And I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>probably like the first inning of all of this, because

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<v Speaker 1>it will get combined with video and deep faked videos,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's going to be a whole new era of propagame.

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<v Speaker 1>I know we've talked a lot about a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>things today, but I always like to ask guests what

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<v Speaker 1>they've learned as they've struggled through, or adapted or solved

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<v Speaker 1>problems along the way. Watching the Biden administration coming on

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<v Speaker 1>top of the Trump administration and now both of these

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<v Speaker 1>men are going to be butting heads to try to

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<v Speaker 1>take the White House back. What have you learned watching

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<v Speaker 1>that dynamic and how it will affect the Latino community

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<v Speaker 1>that you didn't know several years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>So for a long time tim when I started this

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<v Speaker 2>journey of Litte Latino twenty years ago, I had to

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<v Speaker 2>tell people that they had to trust that when they voted,

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<v Speaker 2>that their vote would work. With very little to show

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<v Speaker 2>for the transition of the House in twenty eighteen, with

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<v Speaker 2>the most diverse group of Americans occupying the US House

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<v Speaker 2>of Representatives, they collectively passed over four hundred pieces of

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<v Speaker 2>legislation that was really a blueprint of how America should

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<v Speaker 2>lead in the twenty first century, everything from gun reform

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<v Speaker 2>to investing in the environment, to Women's Agency, to immigration

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<v Speaker 2>and a whole host of stuff. And so I was

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<v Speaker 2>able to tell folks look your vote works. Now we

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<v Speaker 2>have to finish the job in twenty twenty. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you were to tell me that Joe Biden was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be such a consequential president when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>policy that I think is going to eclipse even FDR.

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<v Speaker 2>I was not ready for that. But it was because

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<v Speaker 2>of the collective power of a multicultural America, a multicultural

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<v Speaker 2>group of coalitions coming together and putting pressure with the

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<v Speaker 2>White House, the Senate, and the House of how they

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<v Speaker 2>expect their government to function and work. And so before

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<v Speaker 2>I had nothing. Now I have so much to show

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<v Speaker 2>that voting does work. And you know a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>folks are going to try to say that Biden is

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<v Speaker 2>too old for the job, but I would go back

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, it's what makes him a statesman. He

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<v Speaker 2>actually understands the machinations that are needed to have Congress

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<v Speaker 2>work for the American people. And it's an understanding of

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<v Speaker 2>how our systems work that oftentimes the public does not see,

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<v Speaker 2>that goes behind closed doors and makes people do the

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<v Speaker 2>right thing, even during I would say, such a difficult

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<v Speaker 2>time that our democracy is facing. And so going into

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four, my hope is is that that multicultural America.

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<v Speaker 2>While many of us are tired, we've been doing this

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<v Speaker 2>a long time. We trust that the reason we're tired

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<v Speaker 2>is that we actually have material results, and the last

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<v Speaker 2>thing we need to do is figure out how we

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<v Speaker 2>can collectively put the threat of a MAGA Republican base

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<v Speaker 2>to rest by rising up once again in record number

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>We are out of time today, Maria Theresa, I so

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you coming on in educating me and spending time

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<v Speaker 1>with our audience.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much to Tim, It's always been a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>Maria Teresa Kumar is the CEO Voto Latino, an influential

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<v Speaker 1>advocacy group that mobilizes Latino voters. You can also find

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<v Speaker 1>her on Twitter at Maria Teresa Here. At crash Course,

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<v Speaker 1>we believe the collisions can be messy, impressive, challenging, surprising,

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<v Speaker 1>and always instructive. In today's Crash Course, I learned that

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<v Speaker 1>Latino voters are going to pose a huge problem for

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<v Speaker 1>both Joe Biden and Donald Trump as they fight it

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<v Speaker 1>out to win the twenty twenty four election. What did

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