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Speaker 1: This is all wine, this is all passion. I'm look Thomas,

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Speaker 1: I'm this this Morning Combat. Okay, we gotta get we

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Speaker 1: gotta get that updated. What are we doing?

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Speaker 2: A hello everyone, Welcome very much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was fine for the first one back without him,

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Speaker 1: get this updated. All right, Welcome everyone, on the sixteenth

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Speaker 1: day of January twenty twenty six, my name is Luke Thomas,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to another edition of Morning Combat. As you

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Speaker 1: can see on the other side of your screen is

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Speaker 1: my friend from the MacLife town drunk. Probably has meth

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Speaker 1: coursing through his veins as we speak. It's Oscar Willis.

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Speaker 1: What's up, buddy.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for having me. Congrats on the

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Speaker 2: new show in the new format. Obviously. The intro is

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Speaker 2: it's like it's like listening to Brian as if he

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Speaker 1: He sounds like the teacher and Charlie Brown. Whenever he's talking,

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Speaker 1: I just tune him out, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: text me because otherwise I'm not listening. We have a

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Speaker 1: fun show. Plan for you guys today. Obviously there still

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Speaker 1: is no MMA. However, that is coming or no UFC,

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Speaker 1: next week. So we do have some news that we're

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Speaker 1: gonna look a little bit ahead to twenty twenty six

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Speaker 1: for the PFL and a few fun things in between.

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Speaker 1: The third member of the program here is my friend

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the program, gentlemen. I want to get right

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Speaker 4: off the bat, Luke and just talk about our merch

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Speaker 2: Becose.

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Speaker 3: Okay, these posters arrived slightly damaged in the mail. So

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Speaker 3: as a result, guys, we're offering them fifty percent off.

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Speaker 4: When I say lightly damaged, I mean like the edges

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Speaker 1: Morning Coombat dot Shop, Morning Combat dot Shop is the

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Speaker 1: place to be. Long is look? Come back for just

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Speaker 1: a second. I want to set up today's show. As

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Speaker 1: I mentioned, we're doing our traditional five topics as well

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Speaker 1: as we're doing a couple of new ones. Why don't

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Speaker 1: you tell the audience what we're doing? Correct?

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Speaker 4: So first new one, we'll call it new in parentheses

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Speaker 4: because I feel like you guys have done this before.

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Speaker 3: Just an old higher or lower. Gonna give the boys

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Speaker 3: a couple you know, random things, some MMA things. Let

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Speaker 4: All opinion based, and then we're gonna do a segment

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Speaker 4: called what's My age again, in which we're gonna show

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Speaker 1: I certainly would agree with that. All right, put up

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Speaker 1: Look great, wonderful. Well there you have it. So that's

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Speaker 5: twenty eighth, to the Climate Pledge Arena. The main event,

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Speaker 2: just sort of, in my opinion, depends what you're expecting

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Speaker 1: Of like just what is there, like okay, but how

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, I want to play another cliper in

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Speaker 1: Okay, one more time a staple and absolutely people are

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Speaker 1: a noticeable way and people were like, why are they

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Speaker 1: going to uber Langia Brazil and why the hell are

433
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Speaker 1: these and be like, if you don't like it, don't watch,

434
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Speaker 1: And I'd be like, I don't. I don't know if

435
00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,000
Speaker 1: it's a good idea. But then to the point of

436
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:47,080
Speaker 1: the UFC's success at that time, it didn't I mean,

437
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Speaker 1: if there was an effect by the dinner White saying

438
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,200
Speaker 1: if you don't like it, don't watch, I couldn't find one.

439
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,320
Speaker 1: I just I mean, maybe you know, yes, some events

440
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,159
Speaker 1: did well, some events did not do so well, but

441
00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, there really was no way to tell. They

442
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,359
Speaker 1: seemed kind of immune from the pressure. And it's a

443
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,439
Speaker 1: weird moment because now we're in a place where they

444
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Speaker 1: have any enormous amount of money coming in, they're in

445
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Speaker 1: a premier network. In some ways, MMA has reached to

446
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Speaker 1: a level again in conjunction with Data, Whites brand a

447
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,280
Speaker 1: level of cultural ascendency that I've never seen. At the

448
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Speaker 1: same time, there is this consternation. I think what you

449
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Speaker 1: picked up on is Oscar the same thing I did

450
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Speaker 1: as well, which is this is the reason why it

451
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Speaker 1: landed differently, is because there's been enough fan turnover that

452
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Speaker 1: the relatively newer audience has been watching probably for years,

453
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Speaker 1: as you indicated, at this point, it hasn't really heard

454
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Speaker 1: Data talk about it in this way. Also, Dana doesn't

455
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Speaker 1: do a lot of pre fight media, Like I mean,

456
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Speaker 1: he does pre fight media, but he doesn't do a

457
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Speaker 1: lot of like previewing, sitting down with podcasts. He more

458
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Speaker 1: does like in between fights, kind of like talking about news,

459
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Speaker 1: but not really like in the lead up to a fight.

460
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Speaker 1: Here's me promoting it in that kind of a way.

461
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Speaker 1: So I think this landed differently because it landed new

462
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Speaker 1: for a lot of people were like, oh, I've never

463
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 1: heard this before, but it is absolutely a storied refrain.

464
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Speaker 1: I guess my only takeaway from this would be I

465
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Speaker 1: don't mind Oscar if he actually says, hey, if you

466
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 1: don't want to watch it, don't or whatever. But he

467
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 1: also used to do something else. And Dennis from Submission

468
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,239
Speaker 1: Radio pointed this out to me, and he's right. He

469
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Speaker 1: used to say that and then would follow it up

470
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Speaker 1: with but here's why you're wrong, right, And there would

471
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Speaker 1: be this kind of articulation around if you don't want

472
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Speaker 1: to watch it, don't watch it, but here's what you're

473
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Speaker 1: gonna miss blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. It's

474
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Speaker 1: that second component where it's like, Oh, we all got

475
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Speaker 1: in a room and that's what we came up with. Okay,

476
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Speaker 1: what is the logic at a bare minimum, Oscar, would

477
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Speaker 1: you not agree that if a similar kind of situation

478
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Speaker 1: was our question or somehow of framing was posed to

479
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Speaker 1: Eddie hearn Eddie will spar with you? Will he not?

480
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Speaker 2: Oh? Actually, Eddie, I I have admind Eddie's ability to

481
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 2: when you say, like, sometimes these guys who into you,

482
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 2: Eddie's promote the card, and he will go on an

483
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 2: impassioned rant about the nature of every fight down the

484
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Speaker 2: card off the top of his head. And I think

485
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 2: it's been a long time. In a way, Dana's not

486
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Speaker 2: a promoter anymore, in the way that I don't feel

487
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 2: like Dana promotes the fights like that. You know, he

488
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Speaker 2: doesn't go fuckingk and Kayla has a double Olympic champion.

489
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Speaker 2: It gets a teammate and man, you know, he doesn't

490
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Speaker 2: really get into the nuts and bolts of it. Dana's

491
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Speaker 2: more of an overseer of the the area that is MMA.

492
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Speaker 2: You don't really get Dana getting into the nitty gritty

493
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Speaker 2: of fights anymore. And that's a shame because I used

494
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Speaker 2: to enjoy that when he did, and I thought he

495
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,239
Speaker 2: was very good at that when he did, when he

496
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Speaker 2: was passionate about the particular fights itself. Now back to going,

497
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 2: he's just got too much hit on his plate. It's

498
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Speaker 2: like you can't even when you interview Dana, you can't

499
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Speaker 2: ask him stuff like, uh, you know, when's Kamara who's

500
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 2: been going to get books? He doesn't know. He's not

501
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 2: in that level anymore. He's just over the top of

502
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Speaker 2: it all. So he's more, in my opinion, of a

503
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Speaker 2: figurehead or face of the company than he is a

504
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 2: promoter at this stage. And there is a difference between

505
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 2: those two. Like if you look at Eddie Hern and

506
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: the way he gets down and he's he's trying to

507
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 2: sell you this fight. Dana's not trying to sell you anything.

508
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 2: Data is just trying to tell you, hey, it's on

509
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Speaker 2: on Saturday. It's kind of a different thing.

510
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he oversees the brand quality as it relates

511
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: to like the broadcast or you know, other ways. But

512
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: he's not out there like here's why Lopez has a

513
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 1: great shot against Bulk. And if it doesn't have to

514
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 1: be Dana, then it doesn't have to be Data, but

515
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: it should be somebody like that job needs to get done,

516
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Speaker 1: whether it's Dana or somebody else. I feel like it's

517
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Speaker 1: missing all right, last but not least on this, uh quickly,

518
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Speaker 1: this is Dana talking about Armansar Yuki and I'm not

519
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Speaker 1: sure the relevance here, but let's take a look the

520
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: main event. I feels like a little bit controversial. Patty

521
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 1: pimblet justin.

522
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Speaker 5: Gaechee, what's controversial about it?

523
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Speaker 6: I think a lot of people feel like Armand should.

524
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Speaker 5: Have been Yeah, Serukeian's got to work his way back

525
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 5: up there, man, Serukean's that opportunity and didn't take it.

526
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 6: I know, I know, obviously he uh he had to

527
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 6: fight in La or didn't have the fight in LA

528
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 6: because I have.

529
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Speaker 5: To be able to count on somebody. If somebody's gonna

530
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Speaker 5: fight for a world championship, got to be able to

531
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Speaker 5: count on him. It's like the whole John Jones thing

532
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 5: right now.

533
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Speaker 6: You know, what does it look like when you say

534
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 6: he's got to work his way back up, Like, what

535
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 6: does that look like?

536
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 5: Well, you know, he just fought this last fight. He won, Yeah,

537
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 5: almost head butted him in the face, and and and

538
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 5: and uh almost blew the fight by head butting him

539
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Speaker 5: in the face at the at the weighans.

540
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Speaker 6: Mostly if he didn't have that missed, you know, or

541
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Speaker 6: wait at la, do you think that he would would

542
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 6: have been the man too?

543
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Speaker 5: Well, he would have he would have to fight.

544
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

545
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 5: He would have fought for the title. We need to

546
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Speaker 5: be having this conversation.

547
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: That's very true.

548
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 5: It's not like he hasn't had the opportunity. Yeah, it'd

549
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 5: be one thing if he hadn't had the opportunity. There

550
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 5: was a time when balal Mohammad had won so many

551
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Speaker 5: in a row, yeah, and Ball was like, how many

552
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 5: fucking fights do I have to win to get a

553
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 5: title shot?

554
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

555
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 2: It's not like that, all.

556
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: Right, So this was better as just a promotional effort.

557
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 1: He at least gave an argument for what he believed

558
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: very quickly on the merits of it. By the way,

559
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Speaker 1: I don't think Dana is all that wrong for being like,

560
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: oh sorr yuk and headbutted a guy. I don't know

561
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: if we can trust this jimoke. It's like, I'm actually,

562
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,719
Speaker 1: I don't think that's an idle concern and all punching

563
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: fans and we all know the situation at that point,

564
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what the remedy is because I think

565
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: one promoter holding both rank and title and then the

566
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: ability to punish for what they see, as you know,

567
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: unprofessional behavior is just too much power in the hands

568
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: of one NCT. But nevertheless, like I sort of get

569
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: the concern. Here's the thing I could just come up

570
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: against real quickly on this one, Oscar is He's like, oh,

571
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Speaker 1: he has to work his way back up. He's already

572
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Speaker 1: number one. I look this up. Blall was not number

573
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Speaker 1: one until he ended up fighting like it's the He

574
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Speaker 1: only carried the number one ranking into a fight when

575
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: he fought Edwards sar Yuki and has been that one

576
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: remains that one maintained it by beating Hooker. There's nowhere

577
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,719
Speaker 1: else to go. I understand. I genuinely mean it when

578
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 1: I say, especially when it makes the John Jones comparison

579
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: like these fucking guys are not reliable. Okay, I'm not

580
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: a post that argument. I just don't want to stay

581
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: what the remedy is here?

582
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's actually funny As I was watching that now,

583
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: I don't think he's playing four D chess. But ironically,

584
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: as Almonds, has Armas Frugin's brand ever been better or

585
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 2: had he has he ever had more sympathy from the fans.

586
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 2: Like right now, I see Arman everywhere he's doing these

587
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: live streams. Everyone thinks he's being fucked over in a way,

588
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: they're accidentally promoting him more than they ever did. Like

589
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: I think when he was about to fight Islam, I

590
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: think people were like, good fight, not a lot on

591
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 2: a narrative, not very exciting like build up. Now I

592
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: guarantee Armand's next fight it's a bigger fight than it

593
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: would have been because people, and it happened with Balal, like,

594
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: with all due respect, no one was like clamoring like

595
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 2: Blaw to fight for the title, But when they felt

596
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: like he was being unfairly treated, people got behind him,

597
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 2: And people are getting behind Armen. So I'm not saying

598
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 2: the UFC had deliberately shitting on the guy to help that,

599
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: but it's a nice little silver lining for the guy.

600
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,239
Speaker 2: As far as the remedy, he's kind of in a

601
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 2: really tough spot because obviously the winner of this fight

602
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: next week has to fight Elia, so Armond's gonna be

603
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 2: sitting out. The only guy I think Armond hasn't really

604
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 2: thought like would be available to him is gam Rock,

605
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 2: which obviously, like what's his incentive to do that. He's

606
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 2: done that before, So I don't know what Armond's solution is,

607
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: unless maybe Elia moves up and then him and Paddy

608
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: have already built up something thing. But in terms of it,

609
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: to your point, like it, it must be quite hard

610
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: for him. Here's how I feel it's quite hard for

611
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 2: Armand because he doesn't know what he has to do

612
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 2: to get out of this black hole he's in. But

613
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 2: then he does things like head butt Dan Hooker right

614
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,239
Speaker 2: the way in and you think, oh, motherfucker, you're going

615
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 2: to stay in there until you look. So it's kind

616
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 2: of catch twenty two. Like every time he should be

617
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 2: getting out of it, he fucks it up for himself.

618
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: So maybe anger management, maybe calm down, and then we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Also, stop eating like pre weight loss surgery Lizo, Like,

620
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: why are you doing this? This's very weird, right. It's like,

621
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: here's him eating. It's like this is a rare condor egg.

622
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: By eating this egg, he'll actually eliminate the species from

623
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: the earth. And it's just him eating at gobs and

624
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,239
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, I don't know, I'm not sure what

625
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: that is, all right? Topic number two, if we can

626
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: now we do stay with what I would consider to

627
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: be something of a disappointing announcement, but again, on some level,

628
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: it's the sport. What can you do. Namely, Kayla Harrison,

629
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: the UFC Women's bansamweight champion, was scheduled to face the

630
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: man in uns and they were calling it the biggest

631
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: women's fight of all time. I don't know if it's that,

632
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: but it was certainly a very very important fight and

633
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: at a bare minimum, arguably, if not maybe unambiguously the

634
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: very best women's fight that can be made right now

635
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: in all of the sport. It's certainly in that conversation.

636
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: But she had surgery on her neck and her fight

637
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: with the man in Uonez is off. It's been postponed.

638
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: Here's a tweet from ESPN mcana, which, by the way,

639
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: there's still alive. Oscar I had no idea that this

640
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: account was still being used, but as you can see here,

641
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: she's out and then they say, quote Harrison required surgery

642
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: this week to repair herreated discs in her neck. According

643
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 1: to a report by the Eagle Tribune, the UFC has

644
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: not announced if or when the championship fight will be rescheduled.

645
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Speaker 1: We do have caler. We're not going to show the

646
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Speaker 1: whole thing, but we got about twenty seconds of her

647
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Speaker 1: from the hospital bed in a neck apparatus talking about

648
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Speaker 1: her situation. Let's roll the tape.

649
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Speaker 7: I had to have surgery or my neck yesterday here

650
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 7: in New York City with the specialist doctor Kim. Yeah.

651
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 7: So in lieu of that, obviously we're gonna have to

652
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Speaker 7: reschedule the fight. And I just want to say I'm sorry.

653
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: Now.

654
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Speaker 1: I want you to answer two questions and you can

655
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Speaker 1: go whichever one first, But partly I want to know

656
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Speaker 1: what you think this does as a blow to the

657
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: UFC's efforts or preparea amount. To remember, they launched this

658
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: new YouTube channel. The first two videos that they put

659
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: up were interviews with Amanda and then Kayla. But the

660
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: bigger question to me is not that you think she

661
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: wasn't actively in the weight cut process yet, but she's

662
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: definitely in the weight loss slash weight management process, and

663
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Speaker 1: she has to do an enormous amount of it just

664
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Speaker 1: to keep her weight down. She walks around one sixty

665
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Speaker 1: five and then she fights around one thirty five. It's

666
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Speaker 1: a thirty pounds she has to get down the injury,

667
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Speaker 1: as I understand it, Oscar was one that had been

668
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: long standing. But it's just very hard for me to

669
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Speaker 1: look at someone who has to kill themselves to get

670
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Speaker 1: down to a weight, then having it exacerbated close to

671
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Speaker 1: fight time. To what extent do you think this injury

672
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Speaker 1: hastens her exit from the sport?

673
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if she was necessarily long for

674
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: the sport anyway, you know, I think she's really achieved lot.

675
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: I think part of what makes this so sad for

676
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Speaker 2: her is I think this was kind of the COVID

677
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: aging moment for her, wasn't Amanda Nuna's fight to really

678
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: like sort of cement her place in history. So I

679
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: don't know if it speedings it up. What I suspected

680
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: will do is I had sort of envisioned they would

681
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: fight here and then rematch at the White House, because

682
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: it's just the biggest women's fight you can do, even

683
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: a rematch, which either way would probably still be bigger

684
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: than the next best thing you could put together. Now,

685
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: I assume what they would love to do is just

686
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: skip and make that the last one, right, makee that wild,

687
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: make that the fight these two at the White House

688
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: and at that point, maybe she would just think about

689
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: walking away to the weight cut thing. I had heard

690
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: something was going on with Kayla like that that morning,

691
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: and I had assumed it was weight related, because of

692
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: course you would, right, like, you know, she's in this

693
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Speaker 2: sauna and stuff like that, like a week out and

694
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: all this sort of stuff, So I assumed it was

695
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: weight related. To your point, I believe this is a

696
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: long standing injury. But it's really hard. Right when you

697
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Speaker 2: see someone who is quite vocal about how really fucking

698
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: tough it is for her to get onto that scale

699
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: of one thirty five, you assume like she's not just

700
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: going through a training camp, she's going through a training

701
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: camp and also sucking the life out of herself as well,

702
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: so her body's in like a fucked state the entire

703
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: way through injuries are going to happen. She's a very,

704
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: very very tough woman. She's been through a lot, so

705
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: I definitely don't anticipate her making this like the end.

706
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: I think she will see this as something to come

707
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: back from. But I mean, I'll just share this, I'll

708
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: share this anecdote. It's a been like after she won

709
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: her last fight, I was in the elevator at my hotel,

710
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: and her parents got into the elevator and they said

711
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: to each other, just one more, just one more, and

712
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: they were talking about a new NEA's fight, and I said, well,

713
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: they didn't even know who I was. And I said, oh, hey, guys,

714
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: she'll ask to do a rematch, and they went, okay,

715
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: two more, two more. So clearly it's a topic. So

716
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: I wonder if maybe it won't speed up because she

717
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: can't do it anymore, but it will speed up the

718
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: what's what better way to go out than at the

719
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: White House? Is my sort of anticipation on it.

720
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think she's physically again, both in the

721
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: present moment, but then accumulatively, I think she's in a

722
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: place where if someone said, could you even like I mean, forget,

723
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: forget the opponent, forget, I mean, you can have as

724
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: much time as you want. Could you physically even do

725
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: this three more times? I don't know how that could

726
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: even possibly be. Yes, Two would be like the max, right,

727
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: you could imagine she would have the comeback fight, and

728
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: then maybe one more after that. I don't I just

729
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: could not have met three more weight cuts like this.

730
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: But then again, it to your point, like saying she

731
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: beats Amanda at the White House? Why do it again?

732
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: Like he would? He would unless and this is like

733
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: fucking fantasyland, Like apparently Ronder is coming back and doing

734
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: something this year, not necessarily with UC, but if Ronder

735
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: is coming back, maybe you could somehow get that that's

736
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: worth cutting down in thirty five for right Rousey for sure?

737
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: Other than that, what paina like why bother for what?

738
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: For what? There's no point, It means nothing. So I

739
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: think I think her exit is is gonna be this year,

740
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: no matter what. And I honestly feel like even if

741
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: there was again to your point about like, oh, what

742
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: if Gaegee wins and then they offer him McGregor at

743
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: the White House? Yeah, okay, like like strange things can

744
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,959
Speaker 1: happen like that if the name on the other side

745
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: of the ledger is big enough but absence some kind

746
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: of black Swan or you know, hail Mary kind of opportunity.

747
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: I think this is it. I don't see how she

748
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: goes past it. She is literally falling apart based on

749
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: what she has put herself through to even get to

750
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: the finish line. Her body will not let her do

751
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 1: this for much longer. And again understand she was getting

752
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: her body in the process. She didn't go through the

753
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: weight cup, but she'd been doing the weight management. She

754
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: has to ramp up again and once she comes back

755
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: from this, So that would be two of those in

756
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: this year. Basically, no matter what, like it just can't happen. Now,

757
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: you kind of talked about this previously, Oscar. You don't

758
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 1: think it's necessarily a big blow to their first efforts,

759
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: I guess, I, Well, tell me why you think that.

760
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: Well, I just think the UFC has established yourself as

761
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: a mischie right and to actually, to their credit, when

762
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 2: stuff happens, they just keep rolling with the punches, and

763
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: so I think they've kind of conditioned fans to do

764
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: the same. You know, it's harmor the boxer just pulled

765
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: out and they had to cancel the whole card. That's

766
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: never going to happen with the UFC these days. You know,

767
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: the machine keeps rolling. Even if the replacement fight they

768
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: do doesn't necessarily make sense, they find a way to

769
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 2: keep it rolling. So I think fans are conditioned to

770
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: be like, oh, the fight's canceled, Oh that sucks next.

771
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: You know, I think we're just people in MM are

772
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: conditioned to just accept that fights fall out, so I

773
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 2: don't necessarily think it's a blow to them. Curiously, I mean,

774
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: welcome to MMA paramount. You know, pretty this is pretty classic,

775
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 2: so enjoy that, and it's part of the shitty side

776
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 2: of the sport. But I think I think maybe if

777
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: this was the fight they built the entire card around,

778
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: that probably would have been a disaster. But I think

779
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: the cards actually very strong. I think you have an

780
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: interesting title fight with Pad and justin interim, so I

781
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 2: think they'll get away with this one. But if they

782
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: had built the whole card around it, I think that

783
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 2: probably would have been a real fucking disaster. But then again,

784
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: then they'd go out and pay someone really lays the

785
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: money to step in and find in short night, so

786
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: they would have figured it out anyway properly. But yes,

787
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: I think they'll get away with this one.

788
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: My favorite was Amanda Serrano on Twitter being like, oh

789
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: I can step in. It's like, no, you can't.

790
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 2: Well, Norman Dumont, John Fringer services.

791
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, thanks. I will say this, you know, it's

792
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: kind of funny, right, first fight on the Fox era,

793
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: first main event. The first fight first main event in

794
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: the Fox era was that Caine JDS fight where And

795
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: people don't realize this now or maybe maybe you you know,

796
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: but if you weren't around at that time. Caine was

797
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: badly injured heading into that one, but it was such

798
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: a big deal that I mean, I don't know if

799
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: he was coerced or not, but he went through with it,

800
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: obviously losing. And then of course he fights GDS two

801
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: more times and rearranges his face both times. But that

802
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: first one he was terribly injured, but you know, he

803
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: kind of found a way to limp to the finish line,

804
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: but the fight ended up being anti climactic a little

805
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: bit as as a process. Then the first fight on

806
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: the first man event anyway on the ESPN ERA was

807
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: the Sehudo and TJ one where he made it to

808
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: the finish line, but the whole thing was made weird

809
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: by this insane weight cut. And then here you have

810
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: the first main event untouched, but the co main event

811
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: got it. So I'm just saying, these first cards, these

812
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: things that the title fights, they tried to put on

813
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: the big ones. It's for whatever reason, the first ones

814
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: are really hard to get across the finish line.

815
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: By the way, Untouched for now it's doing a whole week.

816
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, and again it's barbecue sauce on his face.

817
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: It's nothing else.

818
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 2: Yeah for real, yea real.

819
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: Quickly put up the graphic you made Long Island. So

820
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: this is who in this division has a fight booked already.

821
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: So basically I always pretty mispronounce her last name, Jasen.

822
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: How do you say your fucking last name? Chon Chassan,

823
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: that's right, God damn, Aileen Perez, Nora Cornole, I'm not Corneo.

824
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm not sure to pronounce her last name. And then

825
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: Jocelyn Edwards. Uh. So the question was would there have

826
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: been anyone that would have made sense for Amanda to

827
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: fight as a substitute? And I don't see a name

828
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: on that list that even comes close to making me

829
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: interested in seeing it, do you.

830
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: Well, I mean no for a start. But the only

831
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: thing I would be like, okay for Amanda's decision is okay,

832
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 2: am I going to be out for two years and

833
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: fight Kayler? Or am I going to be out for

834
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 2: three years and fight Kaylor? And is there a variable

835
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: difference that I want to mitigate by taking a fight

836
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 2: in the meantime? To be honest, it was a non

837
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 2: starter because they're paying Amanda a fucking a lot of

838
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: money to fight Kayla Harrison. They're not paying her a

839
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: lot of money to fight Normal DeMont. So it was

840
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: gonna they were never gonna get a replacement anyway. The

841
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: Serrano thing as a classic chair sun and move, throwing

842
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 2: that one out there, you know, but like which I

843
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: actually appreciated, and I'm sure she would have done it,

844
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: and it would have been you know, it would have

845
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 2: made headlines. Don't really see a world where Dana's working

846
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: with the key Sabaderian, to be honest, but you know,

847
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 2: good effort by Amanda. But yeah, in terms of like

848
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: Nune's fighting, not a chance. And again it's also if

849
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: you're the UFC, we have this to be, frank one

850
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: of the very few bankable women's fights in MMA right now,

851
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 2: right here, potentially at the White House. No, we'd complain

852
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,959
Speaker 2: if it was on that card. Are we gonna risk

853
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: Normal Dumont fucking that up for us? No chance?

854
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, Also it's like, oh, it'd be great because

855
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: you have a slugger in Serrano going up against Nunas.

856
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: Oh you like when Nunas fought Jermaine Drando me and

857
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: took her down the whole time.

858
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: You Serrano's one twenty five most of the time had

859
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: to move up in wait to fight Katie Taylor, who's

860
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: not a giant. Yeah, that would have been pretty sad.

861
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 2: And then also I think, if I'm right, I think

862
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: Amanda said that Maddi Serrano said she'd been she always

863
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: grapples with her nephew. Is your fucking nephew Gable Steveson?

864
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: Because that doesn't necessarily make me think you're gonna have

865
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: some great like defense to get Yeah, so respect the

866
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: cool out, respect the game.

867
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: But I had people might mentions been like she's got

868
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: great jiu jitsu. I'm like, no, she doesn't. Yeah, no,

869
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: that's not that's.

870
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: Text off a random number. I don't Actually, if they're watching,

871
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: I apologize, don't have a number. Say but someone text

872
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 2: me aman, don't give me a her record and stuff

873
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: is like it'd be a great fight. I was like,

874
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: is this a Kisa? Who is this?

875
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 1: Yes? When was that?

876
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: That was?

877
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: What?

878
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: Right off that she tweets it, so I assume it

879
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: someone related too, which.

880
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: Is not you should have been like, lose my number.

881
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 2: I just.

882
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: It's like, is this my Uber Eats delivery driver? Who

883
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: is this?

884
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: But I appreciate, I appreciate it would have been fun.

885
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: I didn't think it would have lost very long, but

886
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 2: it would have been fun.

887
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: I get, I got, I got text like that. On occasion,

888
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, brother, nice to talk to you. And

889
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: then I'll see that there's a text chain, and I'll

890
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 1: look through the text chain. I'll be like, I still

891
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: don't know who the fuck this is? Yeah, what is

892
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: the six to one area? I mean, I don't know any.

893
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 2: Of this ship all right, I unfortunately everyone, I delete

894
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: all my text when I go through customs.

895
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: Oh I do I use a burner when I go

896
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: through all right, I'll just go to topic number three

897
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: here if we can, and we do have some fight announcements,

898
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: some pretty good ones along the way. We're gonna go

899
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: here in chronological order for these impending UFC events, and

900
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: we are going to talk about the PFL. We're not

901
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: gonna include that in this particular segment. However, obviously there

902
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: wasn't a big announcement for them for their first show

903
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: in the US in twenty twenty six in Pittsburgh. We'll

904
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: come back to that a little bit later. Let's stick

905
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: with the UFC here if we can, Oscar, let's go

906
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: through these so on the twenty eighth of February at

907
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: UFC Mexico. This fight, to me is absolutely excellent. You

908
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: can ask Long Island Luke. I had David Martinez pegged

909
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: as one of my standout fighters to have a big

910
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 1: year in twenty twenty six. He has got a big

911
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: step up. They clearly believe in him against the flagging

912
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: but still important and very tough Marlon Vera, do you

913
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: love this fight as much as I do?

914
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 2: I got listen. I don't know if I love it

915
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: as much as EG, but I definitely think it's the

916
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 2: fight to make you know we are. We have long

917
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: been saying we're in a bit of a transitional period

918
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 2: in MMA, right The bigger names are starting to age out,

919
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 2: the younger guys maybe haven't made this splash yet. This

920
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: is one of those ones where like, okay, Vera's coming down,

921
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: Martini's coming up, is he ready to overtake? And so

922
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 2: on and so forth. They clearly think. I think, obviously

923
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 2: in Mexico, the crowd is going to be electric. I

924
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 2: think it's going to be fun and it's an important

925
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: one from Marlin right, like you know, the guy's not

926
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: He's not exactly shining every fight he takes these days.

927
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: So we're at that stage now where it's like, okay,

928
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 2: is he on a bad skid or is he done?

929
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: And this is the fight that I think will answer that.

930
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: I love this fight, as you mentioned, coming versus going,

931
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: you know, younger versus older, and not that Cheetah's super old,

932
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: but you know, obviously David is or Devid is on

933
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: the up and up. I've been very impressed by him,

934
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: especially with his last fight in the UFC, coming in

935
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: on short notice and looking so good. So that's a

936
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: fun one. Also on that card, if you care, Douglas

937
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: Silva Deonrage, who's got by the way, my man is

938
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: diced to the fucking socks taking on Javier Reggas if

939
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: you care at all or no.

940
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: No, but I mean, hey, good for you to see Mexican.

941
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, all right, UFC three twenty six. This will

942
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: be the seventh of March. This was another one that

943
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: had been booked previously. It fell out, but they went

944
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: back to it. I also liked this matchmaking Rob font

945
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: taking on Raoul Rosas Junior. Do you think Rosas Junior

946
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: is ready for Rob Font. The matchmaking matches the same

947
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: contours essentially between Vera and Martinez. Is it too much

948
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: too soon a run on time?

949
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 2: If it's just an interesting one, right, I'm surprised they

950
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: didn't put Raoul on. Yeah Ce Mexican actually, but it's

951
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: an it is. It is a bit of a roll

952
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,479
Speaker 2: of the dice for Rosace Jr. But if you're gonna

953
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: get Rob Font, you probably this is probably the like

954
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: in terms of what value can you get from his

955
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: name versus where he's at sort of athletically, this is

956
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: probably the peak moment for them to build off him, right,

957
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: Like if he loses again to someone without much of

958
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: a name they're not, then he's not gonna be considered

959
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: like a guy that they've built, you know, that you

960
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: can build off. So I think it's a bit of

961
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: a roll of the dice. It's just really tough, right

962
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: as you well aware that Mma is not a young

963
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 2: is not an old man's game, and there's just a

964
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: moment where the younger guy could win based on athletics

965
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So now we're at that crossroads

966
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 2: for Raoul and Robb's who wins more the experience of

967
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: the athleticism in the eighth and I think it's an

968
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: interesting fight. I think it's a good fight. I do

969
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: think if Versas loses, it's a big step back for

970
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: what they obviously have planned for him. But I think

971
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: it's good. I think it's important for him to start

972
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: this year off making a splash and show that he's

973
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 2: an actual sort of talent rather than just a young

974
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 2: guy that's known because he's young.

975
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 1: For Rob font these are his losses in the UFC

976
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: in the last like since he surged kind of closer

977
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: to the top of the division. Joseyaldo, Marlon Vera, Corey Sanhagen,

978
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 1: Devison Figuredo, and then most recently David Martinez, the guy

979
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: we just talked about who's gonna be fighting Marlon Vera.

980
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: He had two wins in between the Figaredo and the

981
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: Martinez losses. He had wins over Kyler Phillips and Jean Matsumoto.

982
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: Real Rosas Junior would have present something would be something

983
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 1: of a newer. I mean it would be it would

984
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: be two in a row, which he hasn't had since

985
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: Aldo and Vera, and it would be I'm not gonna say,

986
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: the worst opponent he has lost to I'm I'm not

987
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: trying to be super domeaning. I'm saying it's just a

988
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: very different class of opponent than Devinson's, Diggaredo and Corey Sandhagen, Right,

989
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: It's not the same kind of thing.

990
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a Waved's been a victim of his own

991
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: name value there, right, Whereas like he lost a he

992
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: could probably taken a step down from those levels of opponents,

993
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: but because he's a name, they kept him up with

994
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 2: the san Haagen's and Figaredos. So you don't know if

995
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 2: he was gonna lose those anywhere if he just lost

996
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: because they're very good. Right, So he's kind of in

997
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: a victim of his own success there. But yes, i'd

998
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 2: agree the level of opponent is a significant drop here.

999
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: Also because Paulo Costa has moved up to two A five.

1000
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that in just a minute. Bruno Fajeda

1001
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: needed an opponent in steps RoboCop Gregory Hodriguez, RoboCop, a

1002
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: BC favorite, or as he called him, hobo Cop. You

1003
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: have to love this one, especially our for late notice matchmaking.

1004
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 1: This is actually one of the better iterations you're gonna

1005
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: get at one hundred and eighty five pounds.

1006
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that, and also I think

1007
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 2: Robercop deserves a lot of credit.

1008
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: It's very hard.

1009
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 2: We talk about like there's no stars and stuff like that.

1010
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 2: It's very hard to stand out in an era where

1011
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 2: there's fights every weekend. There's like just not a lot

1012
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: of oxygen for anyone to sort of shine through. The

1013
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 2: only way, in my opinion, you can build a name

1014
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: these days is by fighting regularly. And I feel like

1015
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: I see RoboCop a lot, you know what I mean.

1016
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: He fights quite often and he's a very very vicious

1017
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: like finisher, So I think because of that, he's like

1018
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 2: just establishing himself. Will he ever get a title shot?

1019
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 2: Maybe not, But he's like a guy like Kevin Holland,

1020
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: where like casuals can recognize, like, oh I know that guy.

1021
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: I saw that knockout and just recognize the name at

1022
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: this point. So I really love that he stepped in

1023
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: and he's doing this fight, and I actually think it'll

1024
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: be a good, fun, fun fight.

1025
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: He fought four times in twenty twenty three, or he

1026
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: excuse me, he had two canceled bouts. I apologize. He

1027
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: had two bouts in twenty twenty three, two and twenty

1028
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: twenty four that he had three last year, and I

1029
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: think it's what you're talking about, a little bit more frequency.

1030
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: We'll see if he can keep that up. By the way,

1031
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: we didn't put it on the rundown, but it's worth

1032
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: kind of discussing here. The main excuse me the co

1033
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: made of it to this card Kyle bo Hollio versus

1034
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: Renier de rid Or. Now, I want to be honest

1035
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: about this. I had someone in the industry text me

1036
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: being like, oh, this is proof the UFC doesn't care.

1037
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: And I understand the argument that they're making, namely that

1038
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: you know, these both of these guys are coming off

1039
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: of pretty decisive losses and it's the comain to Holloway

1040
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: and OLIVERA. Nevertheless, I don't hate the fight, to be honest,

1041
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: I mean, whether it deserves comin event placement, your mileage

1042
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: may vary. I don't know where you come down on this, Oscar,

1043
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that this card couldn't use a

1044
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: little bit more of a star power injection. I guess

1045
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: my only point is I don't fully agree with the

1046
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: hate for this one. I there's a lot that there's

1047
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: a there's a huge opportunity for redemption for whoever wants

1048
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: to grab that, and that's worth acknowledging here.

1049
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 2: I completely agree. I actually love the fight comin event

1050
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 2: or not, I don't, but no, I don't. I don't

1051
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: actually have an issue with it because but first of all, yes,

1052
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: they're both coming off losses, but isn't the long running

1053
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: thing that we all take moral high ground over boxing

1054
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: is that losses don't really matter in MMA. You can

1055
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: come back from them and people will still accept you.

1056
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 2: So you got, like, as you said, there's a path

1057
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 2: through redemption for one of them. And secondly, I think

1058
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: both of them, I hate to keep talking about this,

1059
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: but both have a name, you know, like people casuals

1060
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: will recognize these guys at this point, and I think

1061
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: it's a fun, interesting fight as well. So I actually

1062
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 2: like it. And I think because they both have a name,

1063
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: all it takes is one to win over the other

1064
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 2: and they're right back there. They're want to fight away

1065
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 2: from a title at that point. So in that case, okay,

1066
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 2: maybe you burn one and he's no longer going to

1067
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: be in title contention moving forward, but you get one

1068
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 2: of your guys that you quit clearly, like back in

1069
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 2: that conversation much quicker than you would have if you

1070
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: gave him two fights against lower ranked opponents. I like

1071
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: this fight.

1072
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: UFC Seattle will be later that month, the twenty eighth,

1073
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: and of course this is a UFC Fight Night card.

1074
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 1: It will be headlined as we saw the announcement earlier

1075
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 1: between Israel and Dessina and then Joe Pifer. Some interesting

1076
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: promotion by Joe Piper recently on social media yesterday, the

1077
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: old dog banging joke. I will say this an interesting

1078
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: pairing because you have six versus fifteen in the rankings.

1079
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: We brought this up, and there's people closer to Izzy

1080
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: as well as closer to Joe. You would have thought

1081
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: that they would have made true or false. Part of

1082
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: the reason Joe Pifer is getting this opportunity, I said,

1083
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: part not the full explanation, but part of it is

1084
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: that the UFC really wants to promote Americans. You've got

1085
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 1: a twenty nine year old heavy hitter in Joe Pifer

1086
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: raw certainly not the accomplished middleweight that is he is

1087
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 1: is he's much older. Yes, you get a great pairing

1088
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: in terms of styles. It could be a very very

1089
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: action oriented fight for as long as it lasts. But

1090
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: if you're wondering why a fifteenth ranked guy is jumping

1091
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: the queue all the way up to six, I think

1092
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: at least part of what explains that is the premium

1093
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 1: being placed on making sure in this paramount era, American

1094
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: stars get promoted a little bit more than perhaps they

1095
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: have been recently.

1096
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw your live chat what you said about that.

1097
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 2: I thought that was really interesting, and I think there's

1098
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: probably some credenesce to it. I also, again, it's hard

1099
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 2: to know because it's just leaving in the background how

1100
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 2: much sort of real estate they're putting on that White

1101
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 2: House card and how much like Super Americana guys they

1102
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 2: want to get on there. Joe Pifer would fit that bill.

1103
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: So I wonder how many of the early matchmakers they're

1104
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: doing with the idea that, like, Okay, if Joe wins here,

1105
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 2: he can turn around for June. But to your point, yes,

1106
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 2: I think Joe's also a guy they like. Dana loves like.

1107
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 2: In fact, going back to the announcement he did when

1108
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 2: he said Joe's name, he actually smiled during that video.

1109
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: You know he loves Joe Pifer say, I think there's

1110
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 2: there's probably multiple elements of play here. One young guy,

1111
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: older guy, can we give someone a bit of a shine,

1112
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 2: two American and three Like, I think it is a

1113
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 2: fun matchup as well, So I'm sure there's a lot

1114
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 2: of elements that went into it. But yes, I don't

1115
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 2: think you could rule that out that there's a you

1116
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,919
Speaker 2: win early. If you're American and you win early this year,

1117
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 2: you're going into a lottery to fight on that guard

1118
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 2: in June. So I think that's probably a lot of them.

1119
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I just have it on good authority that

1120
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: like they're they they want to make like there's no

1121
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: real American stars on the men's side, with the exception

1122
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: of like Max Holloway and some smaller names Sean O'Malley

1123
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, but like elite top ten pound

1124
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: for pound guys, it's basically a wasteland at this point.

1125
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: And that's like unheard of in the history of MMA

1126
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: that the Americans would be that far behind everybody else. Again,

1127
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: there's always been strong. Japanese always been strong, Brazilian's always

1128
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: been strong. You know, you name it has been.

1129
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 2: There's been this why Trump took the visas away from

1130
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 2: Russia and Brazil. So you guys can get back on top.

1131
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: Just just the immigrant visas. You can still come here

1132
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: as a tourist. But in any case, it's just I

1133
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: think it's a bit of an all hands on deck moment.

1134
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: And you know, again, I don't there's there's more to

1135
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: why Piper's in that slot than just that, I think,

1136
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: but I do think it plays a role also in

1137
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: that card for those who care julian A Rosa ticket

1138
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: on Larry and Douglas. All right, here is one that

1139
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: oh well, no, we got Joe Piper on stopping Izzy

1140
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: in a really bad way. Let me let me hear this.

1141
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 8: One thing I want to be known for, bro is

1142
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 8: that you know, I got this opportunity and I'm absolutely

1143
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 8: bringing the heat and I'm going to go and try

1144
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 8: to be the first one to stop him in a

1145
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 8: really bad, bad way, you know, just on a sport

1146
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 8: you know, competitive, you know, and I hope that we're

1147
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 8: both healthy afterwards. But I know I have those capabilities

1148
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 8: over anybody in this division to really hurt someone where

1149
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 8: they don't move, and I'm just excited to test my skills. Man,

1150
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 8: So I don't really care about the odd.

1151
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: That's a nice Joe Piper I don't know if the

1152
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 2: Nacity stoppage was a good finish. I don't know if

1153
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: he looked, you know, he's I'm going to stop him

1154
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: in a bad way. I don't think Imovov was like

1155
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 2: a good way. You know, he got knocked badly on

1156
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 2: by that one. What does he mean, like, like Josh,

1157
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 2: he wants to leave him start. Yeah, it's an interesting one,

1158
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: that that one. Like, obviously you're you referred to Pifer's

1159
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 2: image that he reposted yesterday of him arresting Israel.

1160
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: That one could with a dog in the background.

1161
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I didn't even realize that one. Yeah, I

1162
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: think that could develop some heat, to be honest and start. Basically,

1163
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: it's fun, right, I do think to Joe's point, like

1164
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 2: if he wins, it's probably quite grim way for Israel

1165
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 2: that he wins, you know, I think it would be

1166
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 2: a case of Israel being like maybe slower than he

1167
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 2: used to be and Joe catching him rather than Joe

1168
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: outpointing him to a decision, you know what I mean.

1169
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: So I think it would be the lowest ranked guy

1170
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: he's ever lost to.

1171
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: Yes, it would also be I'm like, I'm pretty close

1172
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 2: with Israel, so I don't want to come across the bus.

1173
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 2: But it would also be it's a bit like, you know,

1174
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 2: there's guys legends can lose too, and it's like okay,

1175
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,439
Speaker 2: and then there's guys that when you see them losing

1176
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 2: to them, you're like, oh, they're done, you know. I

1177
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 2: think if Israel lost to Joe pie for, people would

1178
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: be like, oh, like, we're at that stage now of

1179
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: his career, you know, where it's like le Anderson Run

1180
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: where he lost to you Ryah Hall and people like that,

1181
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: where it's like you're losing to guys you never even

1182
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 2: thought they would fight. So I don't know what the

1183
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 2: public percession would be if Israel lost this one, but

1184
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 2: I certainly think it's like a very also that Israel

1185
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 2: doesn't seem to give a shit. He's just fighting for

1186
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 2: fun at this point. But I think it's it's there

1187
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 2: will be if Israel lost this one, there would be

1188
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 2: a lot of sad older fans.

1189
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: I think it would again it would represent the kind

1190
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: of life I literally haven't seen him have at this point.

1191
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: All right, and then last but not least UFC three

1192
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: twenty seven. This will be on April eleventh, they announced,

1193
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: as we indicated Hobokop was filling in against Brunefejana because

1194
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: that was originally going to be Paulo Costa, but he

1195
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: is now just moving to two hundred and five pounds.

1196
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: Let's take a look at this photo he posted. You

1197
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: know what, Oscar, he is like a reverse Burt Kreischer,

1198
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: you know how like Burt Kreischer also takes his shirt

1199
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 1: off a lot. But then that's like his only joke.

1200
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: His like Paulo's only joke is like the secret juice thing,

1201
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: and but he's just jacked, you know what I mean?

1202
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: Like it, but he's he's still got a little Burt

1203
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: Kreiser in him there. Nevertheless, here's the question I have

1204
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: for you. He's taken on Asimot Mrzakhanov, who just came

1205
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: off that beautiful win over Alexander Rakitch. Has ridiculous hand speed,

1206
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,919
Speaker 1: smaller for the weight class, but real real quick, good combinations,

1207
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 1: accurate punching. I feel like it's a real bad matchup

1208
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: for Paulo Costa. Where are you on this one?

1209
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 2: Okay, they certainly didn't do him a favor, did they?

1210
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 2: But I also think like Paulo's done them many favors.

1211
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: To be honest, I think Paulo's kind of fucked them

1212
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: around a few times as well, So maybe there's an

1213
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 2: element I remember I remember the I think it was

1214
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: Joe Silva used to tell guys, if you turn this

1215
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 2: fight down, the next guy will, I guarantee will have

1216
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: a consonant at the end of their name, you know,

1217
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,720
Speaker 2: like you get given an of if you're in trouble.

1218
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 2: So maybe there's an element of that. As far as

1219
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 2: the fight itself. When Paulo was like in that that

1220
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 2: Joel Romero fight, you know, where he was really aggressive

1221
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 2: and just got in there. I could see him doing

1222
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 2: a lot more with that style than the style he's

1223
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,919
Speaker 2: been doing recently, which is kind of tepid. I guess

1224
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: I don't really know what you know. So yes, not

1225
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 2: a welcome, not a welcome Matt to the division. But

1226
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 2: he's got a name and if he wins straight up

1227
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: the rankings.

1228
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: Long Island, Luke. Any fight that tickles your fancy, anyone

1229
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: we didn't mention that you think stands out?

1230
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 3: Uh, there was one that just came up and I'm

1231
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 3: blanking on it now was Helli Soriano versus someone shit man,

1232
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 3: and it was going to be earlier in February. You know,

1233
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 3: I should really know this. Twitter's down though, so I

1234
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 3: blame Twitter. But uh, either way, I'm most hyped for

1235
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 3: Rob font Raoul Rosas junior. Honestly, I think that answers

1236
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 3: the most questions about Raoul, and I'm interested to find

1237
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 3: out where he stands.

1238
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: If Raoul wins that one, that's such a big deal.

1239
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: But if he loses, that's very terrible for you.

1240
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 2: He's in quite Like if he beats Rob Thon, great,

1241
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 2: but then in that division, like who do you put

1242
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 2: him up against next?

1243
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: Like you might, but well, this is the part that

1244
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 1: kind of kills me. And this is why, like I'm like, guys,

1245
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 1: like you know, twenty one in the UFC versus twenty six,

1246
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: twenty five, twenty four even it's actually a pretty big difference.

1247
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: And yeah, you can be twenty one or twenty two

1248
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: and you could be John Jones. And that's one thing

1249
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: people keep talking about Roll like he's a prodigy, and

1250
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, he might win that Rob Fon fight,

1251
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: and maybe he looks good like too, He's not a

1252
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: fucking prodigy. Like, there's nothing about I saw what I've

1253
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: seen prodigies come through. I've seen bj Pan start up,

1254
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: I've seen John Jones, Like it's immediately clear that they're

1255
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: man handling these fucking guys. That's that's just not who

1256
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: Rosace is. That doesn't mean he's not talented, and that

1257
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's not good. It just means I've just

1258
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: been a little bit of hype around him and to

1259
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: the point that you raise, Okay, let's say he wins. Well,

1260
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: now you're in the deep end and it's.

1261
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: Like, one, you're gonna fight Mario Bautista.

1262
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: Next, fucking luck, dude, he's number nine.

1263
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 2: He's number nine in that division, so he would beat

1264
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 2: number twelve. Then the next people bother Peyton Talbot, David Martinez,

1265
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 2: Mario Bautista, like those are tough, even finishes Olive Era,

1266
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 2: Like the's a yes, I think.

1267
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 5: He could.

1268
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 2: He could beat Rob Fond. I don't know about the

1269
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 2: rest of them. As you said, like when you know

1270
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 2: a prodigy, dude, I knew John Jones is gonna win

1271
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 2: the fucking title in his second fight, you know what

1272
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 2: I mean? You can tell when someone's like very good,

1273
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 2: he's he's Raul Restus Junior is basically well known because

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Speaker 1: number four. Let's talk about the PFL in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: So they announced their first event for this year within

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Speaker 1: the United States anyway, which will take place in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: in March, which, by the way, I gotta say, I

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Speaker 1: wish they were in the States sooner, but I do

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Speaker 1: like Pittsburgh some of these smaller underserved markets getting an opportunity.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be headlined by Johnny Eblin taking on

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Speaker 1: Brian Battle. I've got some questions about the fight itself,

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Speaker 1: but let's sort of open up the conversation here a

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Speaker 1: little bit. How are you feeling about this changes to

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Speaker 1: their format because they've got rid of basically the tournament format.

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Speaker 1: They want to stack cards more traditionally. It is a

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Speaker 1: lot of tweaks that they have made, and what do

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Speaker 1: you think their chances for success are ahead of TV

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Speaker 1: deal negotiations with ESPN. Now, before you answer, let's take

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Speaker 1: a look at Jonathan Martin, who I think is not

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Speaker 1: the CEO of the company. We're announcing this PFL Pittsburgh event.

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Speaker 9: Hey everybody, I'm John Martin, PFL CEO. I'm excited to

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Speaker 9: announce today that our first event in the US will

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Speaker 9: be held in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, on March twenty.

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Speaker 2: Eighth, live from the UPMC Events Center.

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Speaker 9: In the main event, former Middleway Champion Johnny Evlin returns

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Speaker 9: to the cage to take on Brian Battle, a former

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Speaker 9: winner of The Ultimate Fighter, in one of the MMA's

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Speaker 9: hottest free agent signings, and he's going to be making

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Speaker 9: his PFL debut in the co name. Pittsburgh's own Dalton

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Speaker 9: Ross Due takes on twenty twenty three PFL Tournament champion

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Speaker 9: Impa Kasangani. We're excited for PFL to be in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 9: for the first time. Visit the link below for more

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Speaker 9: on how to buy tickets and stay tuned for more

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Speaker 9: huge fight announcements from the PFL.

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Speaker 1: Now there ain't shit happening in Pittsburgh, so that's great

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Speaker 1: for getting an opportunity to watch a little PFL. Give

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Speaker 1: me your temperature on first the PFL in twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll talk about this event specifically.

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Speaker 2: I think this is a strong start for them. I

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Speaker 2: love the two matchups. They make sense. As you said,

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Speaker 2: there's no point going to markets that are paying the

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Speaker 2: fucking UFC to be there, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: You should be going to places that they're not going to.

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Speaker 2: That's how you sell tickets, and that's a very important

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Speaker 2: part of pfl's revenue. I think PFL is in a

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Speaker 2: very strange spot because, like with the ESPN deal, it's

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Speaker 2: not necessarily a statement on PFL as such if ESPN

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Speaker 2: resigns them. I think in sports rights at the moment,

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Speaker 2: there is so much content that networks are getting a

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Speaker 2: bit more picky and choosy about what's going to give

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Speaker 2: them a return. The reason I say that is because

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Speaker 2: basically you cannot watch boxing in America right now, do

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? There's just no TV deals

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Speaker 2: out there because I think people that the networks realized

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Speaker 2: they may be even overpaying for sports rights. So with

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Speaker 2: the PFL ESPN negotiations that might hurt them. I think

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Speaker 2: it's it feels to me like this is a bit

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Speaker 2: of a soft launch of a PFL rebrand, which they

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Speaker 2: sorely needed. I did not think their previous face of

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Speaker 2: the company did the many favors by posting fucking LinkedIn

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Speaker 2: shit every two minutes. I think they needed a fresh

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Speaker 2: coat of paint, and I hope that this is the

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Speaker 2: start of that, and hopefully you can sort of see, like,

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Speaker 2: you know, there's nothing wrong with being like the smaller show,

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Speaker 2: but be smaller and be better rather than like a

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Speaker 2: bad copy of the other you know, the big stars.

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Speaker 1: I thought he replaced Peter Murray. I mean, I definitely

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Speaker 1: have noticed that they've sidelined Don Davis, but and they've

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Speaker 1: had elevated Martin. But my understanding is, isn't Martin like

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Speaker 1: basically hired so that they could get a new TV deal,

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Speaker 1: Like this is the guy from Time Warner. This is

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Speaker 1: what he does. He's very very good this year. He's

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Speaker 1: a proven track record of it. I think that's at

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Speaker 1: least in part, that's a big reason why they hired him.

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Speaker 2: Now I think it is. But then you also have

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Speaker 2: to shut up the other guy who's just making you

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Speaker 2: look bad every twenty minutes, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: So I think there's a bit of a combination factor here.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, and these It's funny. There's now like there

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Speaker 2: are guys in this space who are almost exclusively hired

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Speaker 2: to get TV deals done because they have relationships with

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Speaker 2: the networks. You know, there's like guys who literally just

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Speaker 2: specialize in this. I think the guy who negotiated the

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Speaker 2: ESPNWW deal just went for the paramount thing and stuff

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Speaker 2: like that, Like it's kind of all in Cahn. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, I think it's all like a

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Speaker 2: little bit incestuous to be honest, but if it works

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Speaker 2: for them, very worthwhile. I just wanted to shit on

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Speaker 2: Don Davis for a fucking dunb link tim posts.

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Speaker 1: Or know, hey, let's bring Russell brand right before he

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Speaker 1: gets charged with you know uh I mean then they

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Speaker 1: convicted but charged with rape.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was like, that's smart, that's really smart, very smart guy.

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Speaker 2: You know, God's child Russell Brandt.

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Speaker 1: Like, is there any promo odor in combat sports who

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Speaker 1: just has normal friends? Like do any of you have

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Speaker 1: like childhood friends who you know they're not some kind

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Speaker 1: of country.

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Speaker 2: That was even a tread. He just saw celebrity and

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Speaker 2: was like it'd be fucking really cool to get this

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Speaker 2: guy in my cage right now. It's like, give him

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Speaker 2: a Google, just give me a little bit this.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Long Island, Looke. Have you ever seen the

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Speaker 1: poster for Get Him to the Greek the movie?

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Speaker 3: I love that movie actually, but I've never seen the poster.

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Speaker 1: Three it's Russell Brand, Diddy and then Jonah Hill, who also,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he's squat on the born

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Speaker 1: with those two, but also had his own allegations. At

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Speaker 1: one point I was like, Wow, this poster has aged terribly.

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Speaker 2: Such boys being boys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I will tell you this for the PFL in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. To me, it's make or break this

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01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: TV deal. Like, if they don't get a TV deal,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how they survive. And even

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Speaker 1: if they get one, I'm not entirely sure how they

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Speaker 1: survive either. Just given to your point, there's so I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's there's corn hole on this women's volleyball in Texas

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Speaker 1: A and m versus you know whoever the fuck Like,

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Speaker 1: there's just just a ton of it out there, and

1458
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Speaker 1: I don't know what ESPN's interest in MMA is going

1459
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: to look like. Absent in UFC, it's the big question.

1460
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Speaker 1: We don't really know. Have you heard anything about what

1461
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Speaker 1: ESPN's interest in MMA is going to be like now

1462
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Speaker 1: with just PFL on the roster? Any any any word?

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Speaker 2: I mean, so you can I can only gauge ESPN's

1464
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 2: interest in MMA as a whole based on the interest

1465
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Speaker 2: in the UFC. And I mean, they will still be

1466
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Speaker 2: covering UFC, it will just look a lot more like

1467
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Speaker 2: it did pre the TV deal, which was basically mostly

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Speaker 2: dot com stuff. You know, they've got their YouTube up still.

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Speaker 2: I think they're going to still be uploading content to that.

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Speaker 2: But I think sometimes in these deals there is a

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Speaker 2: little bit of an ego play involved, and so I

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Speaker 2: can imagine a world where ESPN execs are like, well,

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Speaker 2: if we didn't get the big thing, we're not going

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01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 2: to high like the little thing. You know. It's like

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Speaker 2: we either won it all or nothing, which is usually

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Speaker 2: how these networks kind of work. I don't think they're

1477
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Speaker 2: going to go back to like pretending it doesn't exist,

1478
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 2: but definitely they're not going to be highlighting MMA. And

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Speaker 2: if you're not going to highlight MMA, you're not going

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Speaker 2: to get something that catering exclusively for hardcore fans. I

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Speaker 2: don't think so. That's when I said about the negotiations.

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Speaker 2: I think they're up at PFLs up against it. But

1483
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 2: in terms of ESPN's interest in MMA, I think maybe,

1484
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 2: you know, it all ended kind of on a nice note,

1485
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 2: but there's still a little bit of hurt feelings there

1486
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 2: is my read on it. So we'll see. We'll have

1487
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 2: to see moving forward. But what's in it for them

1488
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 2: to push something that's on another network at this point,

1489
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, no question about it, or for people

1490
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 2: to come in tune in anyway.

1491
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: I'll be curious to see what kind of coverage PFL gets.

1492
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I basically love all of the changes

1493
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,560
Speaker 1: that they've made, either to what you can do in

1494
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 1: the cage or how the events are stacked, or the

1495
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: tournament format being scrapped, or trying to clean up like, oh,

1496
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: we have five different brands. We have the Asia brand,

1497
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 1: the Africa brand, the Europe brand, and there is still

1498
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: some level of importance to them, but they're trying to

1499
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: just clean up this kind of mess of brands. There

1500
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 1: was one time I remember PFL had like tournament champions.

1501
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 1: They wanted to have weight class champions. Then they had

1502
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: Bellator Champions and everything in between. It was like, I

1503
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: don't know who the fuck at this organization is what

1504
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: at this point, it was very strange. So I think

1505
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: all of that, I don't see how any of that

1506
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: is a bad idea. What they have to deliver on

1507
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 1: is consistently good quality MMA with names that people know

1508
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: and care about. And can they do that. It's not

1509
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 1: been their calling card to this point, but this is

1510
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 1: the best shot they've got I think that I've seen

1511
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: them have in a real long time.

1512
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just got to keep it simple, like this

1513
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 2: is like you just could, Like if we've all complained

1514
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 2: about boxing having too many belts and stuff like that,

1515
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 2: when you have PFL, PFL Africa, PFL Europe, it just

1516
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 2: gets convoluted. And people's reaction to that is not like

1517
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 2: I better deep dive and learn this shit. It's fuck it.

1518
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear about any of it. Then, So, yeah,

1519
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 2: simple is better. I think that moving towards that for sure,

1520
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 2: I think that can only And so it's like the

1521
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 2: one avenue they haven't tried yet is being simple and

1522
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 2: just being a promotion of an entity. So I'm curious

1523
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 2: to how it works for them. They are up against

1524
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 2: it just because the UFC brands so strong and because

1525
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 2: pfl's not necessarily got a lot of credit with the

1526
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 2: fans sometimes, so they're up against it, but you need

1527
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 2: them to succeed. We need other promotions out there, so

1528
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 2: I hopefully it does work out.

1529
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 1: Last, but not least on this event Brian Battle versus

1530
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: Johnny Evelin. I kind of like this fight. People were saying,

1531
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: shouldn't it have been a title fight for their first

1532
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: fight in the States, And I kind of do agree

1533
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 1: to the extent that there was a way to do that.

1534
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: They probably should have done that. Nevertheless, Evelyn, former champion,

1535
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: just re signed with PFL even though he had lost

1536
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: to Gustello Vansteinis. Brian Battle had that one win in

1537
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: dirty boxing after being cut from the UFC fans. It's

1538
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: interesting Brian Battle is more of importance to the fans

1539
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: than I would have expected someone who's basically out outside

1540
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 1: the top fifteen to be two wins in dirty boxing.

1541
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 1: Excuse me, I said one one that it's actually two

1542
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 1: wins in dirty boxing. But he's a little bit more

1543
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 1: popular than when folks that I'm a little bit surprised

1544
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 1: by his popularity. Nevertheless, having paid attention to the promos

1545
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: he cuts on the ways he which he gets attention,

1546
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 1: good signing for PFL. Seems like it could be a

1547
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: pretty good fight, although I expect Everylin's wrestling will probably

1548
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: win the day. How do you size these two up?

1549
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 2: Actually think it's a great fight for PFL. And to

1550
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 2: your point about the title, I think I can't really

1551
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 2: explain why, but Brian Battle's name carries quite a bit

1552
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 2: of weight at the moment with fans, so I think

1553
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 2: he's worth more than the title to PFL. So I

1554
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 2: think it's a great main event to kick it off.

1555
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 2: As far as the fight, You're right, I think the

1556
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 2: grappling will probably play a big factor. But definitely there's

1557
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 2: like something interesting with I think, as I said about

1558
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 2: Armin earlier, like the UFC is such like the corporate

1559
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 2: overlord that people just kind of hate on them and

1560
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 2: hate them. So when a fire series sort of against

1561
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 2: the UFC or treated like in a negative way by

1562
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 2: the UFC, fans kind of almost automatically support that guy.

1563
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 2: And I think Brian's riding that you know, you got

1564
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 2: cut from the UFC. Obviously he missed writing shit, but

1565
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 2: I think people sort of attracted to him, and then

1566
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 2: to your point, his own promotional style is very sort

1567
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 2: of like unique to Brian Battle. So I think he's

1568
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:21,640
Speaker 2: actually got himself a little bit of a following, and

1569
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 2: if he wins here probably could be one of their

1570
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 2: biggest stars.

1571
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: I love this. I love them going to Pittsburgh. If

1572
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,640
Speaker 1: there's a way to go, I'd love to try. I

1573
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 1: give Pittsburgh ship because it is well, it's Pittsburgh, but

1574
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 1: it's got a little bit more. Have you ever had

1575
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 1: their sandwich, the Promantis sandwich? You've ever been there?

1576
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 2: I actually, to be honest, I was just sitting here

1577
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 2: thinking I've traveled so much now I actually don't remember

1578
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 2: where I've been. So I don't know if I've been

1579
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 2: to Pittsburgh or not. That's not even a joke.

1580
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: Where is Yeah that sounds about right, Yeah, it sounds

1581
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: about I don't I don't remember if I was. They

1582
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 1: have this sandwich called it's called Permanti Bros. Which is

1583
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 1: like one of the it's a bit of it's a

1584
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:00,080
Speaker 1: bit of a I think they have several locations, but

1585
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 1: it initially started as one. And the whole scam is

1586
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 1: that they just stuff a bunch of fries into the sandwich.

1587
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 1: I see, which if they get the fries piping hot,

1588
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 1: and it depends on what you put in the sandwich,

1589
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 1: it actually can be pretty good. But what ends up

1590
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 1: happening is let's say you, for example, I here, it's

1591
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 1: all the time. Let's say you Uber eats it or whatever.

1592
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: By the time it gets to you, the fries are soggy.

1593
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: So now you got like soggy fries in this fucking HOGI,

1594
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: And it's like, put the fucking fries outside the HOGI

1595
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: and just make the sandwich good.

1596
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't sound appealing to me. I'll be honest,

1597
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 2: that sounds right. That sounds like a company that sounds

1598
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 2: like a way to make a two bos into one

1599
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 2: and they're just trying to save money. You know what.

1600
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,759
Speaker 1: I I love to hate on Vegas because it sucks. However,

1601
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 1: what I would say is the food in Vegas surprises

1602
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: me about how depending on what you're looking for, it

1603
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 1: can actually be very very good. And I'm not talking

1604
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:51,640
Speaker 1: about the strip. I'm not talking about like, oh, the

1605
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 1: nicest steak. I don't mean that. I mean, like, for example,

1606
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 1: Persian food in Las Vegas is not half bad. There's

1607
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 1: some Japanese places I've been to that were like mom

1608
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 1: and pop places that had some esther Lynn and Casey

1609
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 1: took me to one that was fucking awesome. There's some

1610
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: decent Oh beer. Ever been to beer and tacos out,

1611
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, not too far from the strip?

1612
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have, yes, I.

1613
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 1: Mean for the price is pretty fucking good, right, Yeah.

1614
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 2: See, Vegas like has like I don't know why, maybe

1615
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 2: for all the Persian billionaires that come here to you know,

1616
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 2: molest people, but I don't know. But like they have

1617
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 2: like great cuisine in the city.

1618
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: It's great.

1619
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 2: It's a lovely place. Just because you hate it doesn't

1620
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 2: real wheelshit. There's some great wings. I've had great wings here.

1621
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: The wings are good there. I also agree with that.

1622
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 1: I mean those things you can get in Vegas. But

1623
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: the best thing about it is a leaving But if

1624
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 1: you're going to stay, it's the twenty four hour drive

1625
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 1: through marijuana stores.

1626
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 2: That to me is the one thing COVID didn't take.

1627
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 2: They kept that one. We kept not.

1628
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 1: It's so true we went there, I think the docks.

1629
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 1: We didn't go to one, but we in the docks

1630
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 1: that we did. What Doc was a lit island where

1631
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 1: we went to the tuxedo store.

1632
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 3: Fucking for the for the for the MMAM Awards was

1633
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 3: six six.

1634
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 1: In that one, we had a guy because we had

1635
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,759
Speaker 1: to hire locally from a lot of times when Showtime

1636
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: would go places, they'd have a crew, but if they

1637
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 1: had to get extra sound dude or a camera dude,

1638
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 1: they would just hire locally in the Vegas area. And

1639
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 1: one of the guys that we hire was local, and

1640
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 1: he was like, we went because we went to that

1641
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: strip mall to get BC's tuxedo from like the place

1642
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 1: where kids go into the prom get theirs, and we

1643
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: we we were in the parking lot and the guys like,

1644
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 1: you see that place over there. I was like yeah,

1645
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: and it looked like an old taco bell that had

1646
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: been you know, changed up. He's like, it's a twenty

1647
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 1: four hour drive through weed store and I was like,

1648
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,560
Speaker 1: this was like twenty twenty two or something. And I

1649
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 1: was like, oh, my Vegas, the you know what I'm

1650
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 1: lying the sphere. The sphere is legitimately very very cool.

1651
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 1: Besides the three oh six, have you been to shows there?

1652
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been to a few. I've been to a few.

1653
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 2: I would Actually, the Spear is one of the few

1654
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 2: things I would actually recommend to anyone to see anything

1655
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 2: in it. Like, I think any like I agree, Like

1656
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 2: I didn't go to watch The Wizard of Oz, but

1657
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 2: apparently that was pretty cool. I think Also, it depends

1658
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 2: on how many twenty four hour drives you've been to

1659
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 2: before you've gone.

1660
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 3: My parents swim to The Wizard of Oz and they

1661
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 3: said it was fucking sick.

1662
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: That's bad. Yeah, I bet dude. They're talking about Metallica

1663
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 1: having a residency there right. If they do that, I

1664
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: cannot imagine going to Vegas by choice. Ever, I would

1665
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,679
Speaker 1: go to Vegas by choice to see Metallica at the Sphere.

1666
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: I would do that.

1667
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 2: It truly is like phenomenal, is Yeah. I took my

1668
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,640
Speaker 2: so they have a recording of you two, like a

1669
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 2: digital recording. But you could, I mean this, you could

1670
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 2: not believe they're not there. You know, they look so real.

1671
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 2: I think my parents and didn't tell them that it

1672
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 2: wasn't real, and they still tell everyone they saw you too.

1673
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 1: Incredible. All right, Last, but not least, let's talk about

1674
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 1: topic number. An arrest warrant in Florida has been issued

1675
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 1: for Jervonte Davis. You might recall he was supposed to

1676
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 1: have the fight with Jake Paul. It was scrapped due

1677
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 1: to an incident. It is believed that this is the

1678
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 1: incident in questioned. Davis is still on probation, which could

1679
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: exacerbate his existing legal troubles. You can see here some

1680
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:22,639
Speaker 1: of the details. The warrant has been issued on charges

1681
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 1: including battery, false imprisonment, and attempted kidnapping. Miami Gardens Police

1682
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 1: are currently working with the US Marshall's Fugitive Task Force

1683
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 1: to find Jervante. That sounds fun. The incident took place

1684
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 1: on October twenty seventh, where Davis allegedly grabbed the woman

1685
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 1: by the back of her head, pulling her with one

1686
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 1: hand and holding her throat with another as he forcefully

1687
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 1: dragged her through a stairwell, kitchen and the back exit

1688
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 1: before physically assaulting her in the parking garage. Police have

1689
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 1: reviewed the surveillance footage and determined that it supports the

1690
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 1: woman's story. Again, these are alleged. He has been charged

1691
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 1: with a crime, but not convicted. Take that for what

1692
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 1: it is worth. My question to you is very simple, Oscar,

1693
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 1: after many indiscretions, is it time to call Dravante Davis

1694
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 1: the John Jones of boxing. Yeah.

1695
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 2: Actually I remember they met at the Apex.

1696
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 1: And totally there is a photo of them like dapping up. Yep.

1697
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, uh, you can't ignore it any you know,

1698
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 2: once once is a co incidence. Twice da da da,

1699
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 2: Like this is a very solid, consistent passion of behavior

1700
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 2: alleged from Givonte. So it is what it is at

1701
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 2: this point. Was anyone surprised when this came out? You know,

1702
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 2: you might be like, oh shit, this is happening. I

1703
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 2: don't think anyone was surprised at this, you know, can.

1704
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 1: I say I was a little bit surprised, a little bit,

1705
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: A little bit, not in the sense that you're implying,

1706
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 1: which is, oh, how could how could someone of this

1707
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 1: moral character and do that? Like you he's he I

1708
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 1: mean the guy went to jail for a hit and

1709
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: run and then leaving this leaving an injured woman there

1710
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 1: at the scene of the accident, like he went to

1711
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 1: jail for the ship, right. I mean, you're not surprised

1712
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 1: in that sense. However, I will say this, and I

1713
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:00,879
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, when I say surprise,

1714
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: it's my own. It's my own naivete where here he

1715
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 1: has made a bunch of money. He did go to jail,

1716
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 1: he got out, and he's got kids. And I'm not

1717
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:16,680
Speaker 1: saying a second lease on life. He was not in

1718
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,640
Speaker 1: jail for ten years. But one of the kinds of

1719
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 1: things where the wake up call was bad in your life,

1720
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 1: but certainly not fatal, and now you have, at least

1721
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 1: in theory at that moment in time, paid your debt

1722
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 1: to society. I'm not saying it's a clean break. But

1723
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 1: then you heard him talking about like I want to

1724
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 1: get out of boxing, I want therapy. Clearly he needs it.

1725
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:39,680
Speaker 1: I just kind of thought a little bit Oscar that

1726
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 1: maybe post thirty he was turning into a more mature

1727
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: version of himself. Took him a while to get there,

1728
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 1: but he was finally doing it. And then he does

1729
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 1: this shit you know where it's like, again, it is alleged,

1730
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 1: but to the extent that it is true, it's just

1731
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 1: unforgivably heinous, And it's like, dude, how the fuck do

1732
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:00,600
Speaker 1: you go to jail and you and still have a

1733
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 1: career afterwards and you're still doing this shit. I guess

1734
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 1: there's a part of me that was a little bit like,

1735
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 1: did you really learn nothing? I suppose you learned nothing,

1736
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 1: you know, I.

1737
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 2: Think some of that could be. I mean, we're getting

1738
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 2: into sort of philosophical big picture, but I wonder if

1739
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 2: I see that like when this news comes out and

1740
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 2: again we're talking about fucking Twitter, so whatever, but you see,

1741
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 2: no matter what, this guy has defenders, like people defend

1742
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 2: this guy pretty aggressively and accuse the women of lying

1743
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 2: and all the rest of it. So I wonder if

1744
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 2: you came out reflective and were genuinely sort of like, man,

1745
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 2: I need to reevaluate, but then everyone around you was

1746
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 2: telling you enough fuck her, she was lying, and you're

1747
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 2: you know, and just instilling in your mind that actually

1748
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 2: you were the one wronged. How how strict could you

1749
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 2: stay to your new reevaluation of life? I would imagine

1750
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 2: you'd slowly slip back into being like, well, fuck, maybe

1751
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 2: they're right, maybe I am right to do this, this

1752
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 2: is how might behave And then it just sort of

1753
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 2: any sort of clarity you got on your future just

1754
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 2: gets mrked by all the people around you heading eat

1755
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:02,719
Speaker 2: that actually you're brilliant. So I wonder if that happened.

1756
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 2: I will say, I think this happened in Tutsi strip club,

1757
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 2: and the last time I was in there was with

1758
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 2: Craig Jones, and I wish I got arrested that night

1759
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 2: to save my wallet, but regret to be four thousand

1760
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 2: dollars later.

1761
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 1: I did not he top four k at a strip club.

1762
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 2: Yes, and then I yeah, yeah, yeah, I had to

1763
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 2: borrow fifteen hundred off Brett and then went back the

1764
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 2: next day and be it all there again. Yeah, that

1765
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 2: was a bad weekend for me. Craig Jones, what can

1766
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 2: you do? Game?

1767
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 1: You good money at the mac Life? Holy shit?

1768
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 2: We do all right? Oh no, I had to sell

1769
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 2: all my bitcoin to pay my bills. We're not doing

1770
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 2: that good?

1771
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 1: Oh fuck? Well, okay, that's not that great. I'll say

1772
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 1: this one aspect of the story. I mean, we're all

1773
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 1: kind of like Dravante is a bad guy, great insight.

1774
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 1: But I will say this one thing that stands out

1775
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: to me that I don't see a lot of people talking,

1776
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: is this has to be devastating for PBC. I mean,

1777
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 1: think about it. So many of their guys are gone

1778
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 1: or at a bare minimum still loosely associated but like

1779
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 1: able to fight on a Golden Boy card or a

1780
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, a mac room card or what is it

1781
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:03,560
Speaker 1: someone else's card if they have to. You've seen a

1782
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 1: fair bit of that. More to the point, like dude,

1783
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 1: I always hear all these rumblings. I remember they wanted

1784
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 1: him to fight Jake Paul. They probably wanted him to

1785
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 1: fight Pakiao this year as like an all PBC thing

1786
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 1: so they can get the money to do like you know,

1787
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 1: because Tank is still gonna draw. I mean, people might

1788
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 1: be mad at him, but to your point, they also

1789
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 1: defend him, and he is still a big star in

1790
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: pretty important communities who watch boxing, and beyond that as well.

1791
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 1: He's still a big name. But I don't know what

1792
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 1: his future would be. I'm not saying, Oscar that they

1793
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't put him in a fight just because he got arrested. However,

1794
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 1: if he's actually facing real legal jeopardy for violating the

1795
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 1: terms of his probation, and or he's so good, he

1796
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 1: might end up going to jail and this precludes their

1797
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:49,560
Speaker 1: ability to meaningfully arrange about with him, that actually is

1798
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 1: devastating for an organization that's are they on life support,

1799
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 1: you know, hospice care. I'm not sure what the metaphor

1800
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 1: would be, but they're not doing great and now their

1801
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: biggest star might not be able to deliver for them

1802
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 1: this year. That seems real bad.

1803
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we spoke about a little bit earlier. The

1804
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 2: state of boxing is just in a really weird place

1805
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 2: right now. Like I think the only US TV deal

1806
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 2: is basically the paramount deal that Zoo for boxing have.

1807
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 2: They haven't even had an event yet, So boxing is

1808
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 2: in a very precarious place because I think people have

1809
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 2: just grot tired of the sort of mid level guys.

1810
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 2: Tank is not a mid level guy. He's still one

1811
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 2: of the people you can build around. And actually I

1812
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 2: had not heard that, but if you did a Tank

1813
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 2: Pakia fight, that would probably be one of the biggest

1814
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 2: fights this year. That's always still available to them because

1815
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 2: in today's world and society, basically nothing really matters. You know,

1816
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 2: if you just ignore it for a week, people will

1817
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 2: move on to the next thing. So I think if

1818
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 2: they book him against anyone, people will still watch, which

1819
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:47,759
Speaker 2: will still drive revenue. To your point, if he's facing

1820
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 2: jail time, what do they do then, you know, because

1821
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 2: they also need like to sell this, they need to

1822
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:56,680
Speaker 2: sell fights to Amazon Prime to air it. If they

1823
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 2: don't have the fight to be made. Then they really

1824
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 2: are stuck. And then you know you're really looking at like,

1825
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 2: like you said, life support for a load of these companies.

1826
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 1: Last, but not least, by the way, Golden Boy has

1827
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: their last show with his own. Now they may still resign,

1828
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 1: but the deal is expiring and they don't have a

1829
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 1: new deal. Top Break is not on TV. Again. Maybe

1830
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 1: Jervonte fights and they use the fight to rehabilitate them.

1831
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 1: That actually could be a thing too, It could actually

1832
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 1: work the opposite way. But you know, I don't know

1833
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 1: if he's in fight and shape right now. I guess

1834
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 1: we'll see. So this is this is the part about zooboboxing,

1835
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:29,680
Speaker 1: and I try to explain to people. Everyone's kind of

1836
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 1: focused on the ALI Act is like, oh, let's debate

1837
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 1: the terms of the changes that they're proposing. But one

1838
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 1: of the things that you really get a sense of

1839
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 1: when you actually listen to their comments, certainly when they

1840
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 1: told Congress and more specifically, which is, hey, we're gonna

1841
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 1: put money into American boxing. I actually think that seals

1842
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 1: the argument for them. I'm not saying I fully agree

1843
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 1: with everything they're doing, really anything that they're doing, but

1844
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 1: what I am saying is if you're a neutral observer

1845
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,599
Speaker 1: and you just hear what they're saying, Hey, we want

1846
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: new rules because we're gonna put a bunch of money in,

1847
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: and then you look at the American landscape right now

1848
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 1: and it's deader than shit. You're like, oh yeah, keys

1849
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 1: to the Kingdom, here you go. You just give it

1850
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 1: to them. It's that second component that I think is

1851
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 1: really going to push their chances of success in Congress

1852
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 1: over the line. Now, who's who is putting money right

1853
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 1: now into American boxing other than what you have with

1854
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:24,599
Speaker 1: this Zuber boxing deal at Paramount, who's putting money in exactly?

1855
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 2: And then also to your point, you can say what

1856
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 2: you want about them, but they're very clearly able to

1857
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 2: build a very consistent and stable business. The rest of them,

1858
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 2: you would argue, apparently are not, and then you can

1859
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 2: argue why that is. But it's really funny. I hear

1860
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 2: like Eddie Eddie Matt True by the way, one of

1861
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 2: the few companies really successful still globally. Yes, have regular

1862
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 2: shows and stuff like that, But you hear Eddie hermbin

1863
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:46,679
Speaker 2: like this is going to be the biggest year for boxing.

1864
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 2: The fuck it is? There is no boxing, Like what

1865
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 2: are you talking about? Like it's in We're literally talking

1866
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 2: about like top rank shows in casinos like on the

1867
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 2: floor at this point, you know. And that's why I think,

1868
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 2: like you said, everyone's talking about the act and stuff

1869
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:04,719
Speaker 2: like that, it doesn't really matter what zoof for boxing

1870
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:07,679
Speaker 2: looks like it's the only one on fucking TV. Yeah,

1871
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 2: they're gonna win by consistency.

1872
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 1: They're gonna They're just gonna win because except for Middle

1873
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 1: East money in combat sports, who is putting money in

1874
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 1: combat sports right now?

1875
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 2: Either way? Being a picture that Middle Eastern money that's

1876
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 2: if is already starting to go away. You can sort

1877
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 2: of see there's no elaborate, massive trailers for these fights anymore.

1878
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:29,559
Speaker 2: They're getting few and further between these fights. So then

1879
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 2: what they've done is overly arstufficially inflated the boxer's value,

1880
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 2: which means you're gonna try and get them to fight

1881
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 2: again when the Saudi money is gone. They're not taking

1882
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:41,719
Speaker 2: the money, so these fights get even further and further away.

1883
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 2: The whole sport is basically like, please don't leave Turkey,

1884
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 2: because if you do, we actually are fucked.

1885
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 1: Yea, it'll be a huge reset but who's going to

1886
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 1: be there to collect the pieces when they drop and

1887
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: then rebuild them their own way. It's gonna be zoofa

1888
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 1: like the position to do it.

1889
01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:00,600
Speaker 2: And if you don't get these big fights, if you

1890
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 2: don't get like TiO and Chica. But if you don't

1891
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 2: get these fights done consistently, people will drop off. They'll

1892
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:08,639
Speaker 2: just start watching other ship and then you can't get

1893
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 2: them back. You know, there's not a really there's not

1894
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:13,639
Speaker 2: really a guy like a Mayweather who twice a year

1895
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 2: you were guaranteed people are going to tune in and

1896
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,280
Speaker 2: watch boxing. You could argue Canelo, he's on the way out,

1897
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 2: Crawford's just retired, usick like I heard they're announcing him

1898
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 2: and Wilder today maybe, like, but these guys they're going

1899
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 2: the next Like we talk about MMA being a transitional period.

1900
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 2: Fuck me, when Fury, Joshua, Usik Wilder all disappear, what's

1901
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 2: the heavyweight division that? Like Derek Chazura fighting at eighty.

1902
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 1: Five, Francs and Ghanu and Cooprat poohl Lev, you know

1903
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 1: what I mean.

1904
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,719
Speaker 2: It's like it's just how how how.

1905
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 1: Famous, how big is Moses Etama in in England?

1906
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 2: Inside boxing? Pretty decent, but he's still got a long

1907
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 2: long way to go.

1908
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:53,879
Speaker 3: No, not even remotely.

1909
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:55,680
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't don't think he's even had

1910
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 2: the platform to do. So that the the reason why

1911
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 2: British boxing got so successful was Eddie Herd and Sky

1912
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 2: Sports and Joshua all came together at the exact same time.

1913
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:08,719
Speaker 2: So then you know, Joshua was filling out Wembley Stadium

1914
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:11,600
Speaker 2: against like you know, Povetkin and people like that. Like

1915
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 2: the sport was just so strong because sky Sports is

1916
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 2: such the strongest platform there. Now it's not on sky Sports,

1917
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 2: it's just the real estate it had in the company's

1918
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 2: sports culture has just diminished so much so even whatever

1919
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 2: at Thamas Ceiling is is going to be half of

1920
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 2: what Anthony Joshua could ever have achieved. You know, it's

1921
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,639
Speaker 2: just not there's not enough eyes on him anymore.

1922
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 1: How much do you blame the Saudi Arabian influence?

1923
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 5: Not?

1924
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 1: I mean, so the argument has been and I'm not

1925
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:41,719
Speaker 1: doing all these bits like let's be mad at the government.

1926
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 1: I am, but we can put that aside for a

1927
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 1: separate point. I'm making a different one, which is okay.

1928
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 1: So for example, part of the issue with American boxing

1929
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 1: right now is that there's many things. It's certainly not

1930
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:56,800
Speaker 1: just one, but one of them is that a lot

1931
01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:59,599
Speaker 1: of the bigger fights the last few years have been

1932
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 1: drained doubt and then put in Saudi Arabia. You brought

1933
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 1: up Canelo do Canelo did fucking Sinko de Mayo in

1934
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:07,560
Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia. I mean that's and that's not just

1935
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 1: that's only one thing, but it's emblematic of a bunch

1936
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 1: of them. Is the same problem visible in the UK

1937
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 1: where a bunch of the big fights and again it's

1938
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:17,680
Speaker 1: a little bit different with time zones, but still they

1939
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 1: got pulled out of there and they got dumped in

1940
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 1: a place that they basically don't make a lot of

1941
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:23,519
Speaker 1: sense or other than the guy who's paying for it

1942
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 1: wants it there.

1943
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:29,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is an un I can't maybe articulated properly,

1944
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:31,720
Speaker 2: but that as someone who's been to the shows in

1945
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 2: Saudi been I went to FuRyu sic and stuff like that,

1946
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 2: and as someone who's covered it and seen the numbers

1947
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:40,759
Speaker 2: of the content we generate, there is something about fights

1948
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 2: in Saudi Arabia that fans do not resonate with. It's

1949
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 2: almost like it's non canon. It's almost like it doesn't

1950
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:48,599
Speaker 2: count because it's in Saudi, Like you just you can

1951
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 2: just whether it's the external sort of ramifications of the

1952
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 2: fight being there, whether it's the presentation they do with

1953
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 2: like the constant, you know, his excellency and stuff like that.

1954
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 2: There's something about Saudi show or maybe it's the fans

1955
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 2: that can't get drunk and shit like that, you know,

1956
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:07,679
Speaker 2: can't sing Sweet Caroline. But there's something about Saudi shows

1957
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 2: that people don't click with. I don't know why. I

1958
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 2: can't put my finger on it, but it's almost like

1959
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 2: the fight itself doesn't kind of doesn't count, you know.

1960
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 2: It's like if you put Usik Fury in Vegas that's

1961
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 2: one of the biggest heavyweight fights of all time because

1962
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 2: it was in Read, it's kind of like, oh, that happened,

1963
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:24,680
Speaker 2: I remember that.

1964
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 7: You know.

1965
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 2: Maybe that's just me as someone who was there and

1966
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:29,679
Speaker 2: experienced it and wanted to actually know. I'm going back eventually,

1967
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:31,640
Speaker 2: so I love Read, But you know, as someone who

1968
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:36,000
Speaker 2: was there, like it just didn't feel like an earnest,

1969
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 2: honest product of a great boxing fight. It felt like

1970
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:41,720
Speaker 2: a very corporate, put together thing, which it.

1971
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 1: Was yeah, I guess I'll have to see what happens

1972
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six. All right, that is it for

1973
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 1: our top five topics. All right, one more time, let's

1974
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:50,680
Speaker 1: bring a long is on Luke back here by the way,

1975
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:53,720
Speaker 1: before we do this, what is the most you've ever

1976
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 1: spent at a strip Club's? Four of the most? Four k.

1977
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 3: They just disappear, ran ran away from that, Cris that

1978
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 3: was a you question, that's not a yeah.

1979
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:06,799
Speaker 1: I'm talking to you face.

1980
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 2: Oh then.

1981
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 1: In one in one, sitting in one sitting.

1982
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 2: Yea, and do you know it's even worse. Bro. So

1983
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 2: I went to the private room and they had a

1984
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 2: TV play like with YouTube. Wanted to play music, and

1985
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 2: I was so fucked up. She was like, you can

1986
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 2: put everything you want on. I put on my own

1987
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 2: MMA fight and made a watch.

1988
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:38,599
Speaker 1: That is that is fucking hey, I'm paying you look

1989
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 1: at this ship.

1990
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:41,600
Speaker 2: I was like, stop dancing. Watch and that's what I

1991
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:41,920
Speaker 2: went for.

1992
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 3: Left.

1993
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:48,759
Speaker 1: What was her What was her review of your skills?

1994
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 2: I think just confused, but I definitely think she was grateful.

1995
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:54,920
Speaker 2: It was the easiest money she made all night. Yeah.

1996
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 1: Fuck, that is fucking awesome. My answer to this is

1997
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:00,840
Speaker 1: seven hundred and forty dollars. That's the most I've ever

1998
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 1: spent once.

1999
01:32:01,439 --> 01:32:03,519
Speaker 2: I would like to never go near one ever again.

2000
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 2: Apparently my self control is not great.

2001
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:08,680
Speaker 1: Uh. What was the last time you went to one?

2002
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:12,760
Speaker 2: I think Titsies with Craig. I think that was enough. Though,

2003
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 2: scare me off it.

2004
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 1: You don't go to the Vegas ones though?

2005
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 2: Right? No I went, I went, I've been the seven

2006
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 2: thousand and one was that Sapphires in Vegas. But it's

2007
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 2: just like, you know, I have to be real fucked

2008
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 2: up to go to strip club. And they think if

2009
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 2: I'm at that point, they can basically just do what

2010
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 2: they want with me. I'm just there as a vessel

2011
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 2: at that point.

2012
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:34,720
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember this was due. This was two thousand. Man,

2013
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:36,400
Speaker 1: I want to say, I could be wrong about this.

2014
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:39,800
Speaker 1: I want to say, oh, three oh four something like that.

2015
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 1: And I went to Spearmint Rhino. So remember this is

2016
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:47,560
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, maybe more than that. And uh, I

2017
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:50,760
Speaker 1: went to the ATM and this was back then, and

2018
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 1: the ATM service charge inside the place itself, so just

2019
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 1: just to get cash, you know, back then, it was

2020
01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 1: normally like a buck fifty two dollars. If you weren't

2021
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,960
Speaker 1: using your own bank. It was eight dollars at spearmit rhyino.

2022
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:05,640
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, what the fuck is up with

2023
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:07,639
Speaker 1: these charges? And then you go and get a beer

2024
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 1: and again this is back when a beer is you know,

2025
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:13,840
Speaker 1: three dollars five at most, and it was like it

2026
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 1: was something like twelve or fifteen. I could not believe

2027
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 1: how insane the prices were. But that wasn't the one

2028
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:22,320
Speaker 1: where I lost all the money. I think I spent

2029
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:23,360
Speaker 1: like three hundred bucks that day.

2030
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:25,160
Speaker 2: Do you know what a service charge is now? At

2031
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 2: an ATMN a street club? No, one hundred dollars to

2032
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:31,800
Speaker 2: get your own what? Yes, that's why. That's why you

2033
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 2: ramp up the money so much, because you can own. Also,

2034
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 2: you can only withdraw a max of like four hundred bucks,

2035
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:38,800
Speaker 2: and then you have to spend one hundred dollars on

2036
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:40,880
Speaker 2: top of that, but obviously they cost more than that,

2037
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 2: so that's it's just a fucking killer. And the lady,

2038
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 2: god bless them, stand beside you while you're withdrawing the cash.

2039
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 2: So there's this element of like, I don't want to

2040
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:52,599
Speaker 2: like a fucking cheek on yeah, si, yeah.

2041
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:55,800
Speaker 1: Why why don't we open one of these places, and

2042
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 1: then just do I keep saying this, there's two things

2043
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:00,080
Speaker 1: we need to do. One, open a place like this

2044
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:03,720
Speaker 1: somewhere that's in desperate need, probably Pittsburgh. And then two,

2045
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:07,720
Speaker 1: why don't we just start an MMA token and then

2046
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 1: just rug pull all the MMA fans say we'll make

2047
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 1: ten million dollars, we can quit our jobs, and then

2048
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 1: who cares? Who cares?

2049
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:17,679
Speaker 2: I would love to all right, to be honest, Hey Turkey,

2050
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:18,559
Speaker 2: I'm might from a business.

2051
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 1: Just give me money.

2052
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 2: At this point, I want Saudi money. I'll take it.

2053
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:24,840
Speaker 1: I just want to rug pull and leave. All right,

2054
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 1: let's do it. We've got two new segments. Our guy

2055
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 1: Long Island Luke has helped us with walk us through these.

2056
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:32,760
Speaker 1: Let's do it, all right, Well, we'll just go one

2057
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 1: at a time.

2058
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:35,360
Speaker 4: So first up, we got a higher or lower segment

2059
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:36,840
Speaker 4: self explanatory Higher lower.

2060
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:47,519
Speaker 3: Let's get started. Hell yeah, excuse me, I left my

2061
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 3: mic unmuted on that.

2062
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 4: All right, LT, you're up first, higher or lower than

2063
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:53,759
Speaker 4: two and a half the amount of title defenses Iliot

2064
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 4: Taporia will have at lightweight in his current.

2065
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 3: Title run, so if he gets stripped, it does not

2066
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 3: you know, different title run.

2067
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:12,200
Speaker 1: Uh, I'll I'll take the under. I'll take the under.

2068
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna try to have two and then

2069
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 1: call it.

2070
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:18,439
Speaker 3: A day, Oscar, you can try it in here.

2071
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:21,360
Speaker 2: I think lower. I think one. I think he'll fight Paddy,

2072
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 2: and to be honest, if Gaygee wins, he might just

2073
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 2: fuck off to well Away anyway. But I think he'll

2074
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:29,960
Speaker 2: fight Paddy and then move up. He's like he is,

2075
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:32,679
Speaker 2: He's got like the Connor thing, like he wants bigger

2076
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:34,840
Speaker 2: and better. He doesn't want consistency. So I think he

2077
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:37,000
Speaker 2: would fight Paddy because that's a big fight. It's a

2078
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 2: fun world blah blah blah. But I don't think he

2079
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,880
Speaker 2: has any interest in just sticking around and carving out

2080
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:42,719
Speaker 2: a legacy a lightweight.

2081
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:44,520
Speaker 1: I think the one thing I'll say is that divorces

2082
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:46,080
Speaker 1: are expensive. He might.

2083
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 3: They take ages.

2084
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 2: As well, Like, I don't know when he's coming back, man.

2085
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 2: That's like if it's really like affecting his mental state,

2086
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:55,680
Speaker 2: which could well be if it's like custody as well.

2087
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 2: But he might not be here this year.

2088
01:35:57,880 --> 01:35:58,080
Speaker 7: You know.

2089
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:00,760
Speaker 2: They take a fucking long time. And she very mean

2090
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 2: saying she looks like she's out for blood.

2091
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:05,680
Speaker 3: I thought Luke might take the over because you know

2092
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:06,519
Speaker 3: the ilien.

2093
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 1: I wish, I mean, I wish I could say that,

2094
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:09,879
Speaker 1: but I just don't think that's realistic.

2095
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 3: All right, all right, Oscar, this one's for you. Uh,

2096
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:15,760
Speaker 3: higher or lower than three and a half, we'll say,

2097
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:18,760
Speaker 3: Grahams the amount of nose beers consumed in one night

2098
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:19,599
Speaker 3: with Craig Jones.

2099
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it.

2100
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 2: Was a big weekend.

2101
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:31,200
Speaker 3: Let's I was curious. I was like, all right, lt

2102
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:32,479
Speaker 3: this one's for you.

2103
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:37,479
Speaker 1: Amount of flushes you attempted before leaving Joseph A. Banks

2104
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 1: that one time?

2105
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:40,400
Speaker 3: Did you did you flush more than twice?

2106
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 2: Did you?

2107
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:43,559
Speaker 3: Did you just leave it there? I need more details

2108
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 3: on the story without.

2109
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:45,720
Speaker 1: What it means to be the over because it was

2110
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 1: a triple so you triple flush on that trip, because

2111
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:53,719
Speaker 1: it took that long to make it look something approximating normal,

2112
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it looks like the place you would

2113
01:36:57,200 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 1: leave the waste products from a Civil War era hot

2114
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 1: field hospital.

2115
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 3: Jez.

2116
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 1: It was ugly.

2117
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 3: I was thinking, you do two and then you're like, well,

2118
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 3: this clearly isn't working. I'm just gonna hit the road

2119
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 3: now you no, no, no.

2120
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 1: It was old. It was three, all right?

2121
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:14,040
Speaker 3: Uh, Oscar back to you higher or lower than five

2122
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:16,400
Speaker 3: and a half the amount of UFC champions that will

2123
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:18,720
Speaker 3: lose their belt in twenty twenty six.

2124
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:22,800
Speaker 1: Now, say when you say lose, you mean like in

2125
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:23,439
Speaker 1: a fight.

2126
01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 2: Not the apple.

2127
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 3: Let's just say, whoever's champion right now will not be

2128
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:31,800
Speaker 3: champion at some point. Okay, you might get it back,

2129
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:33,719
Speaker 3: but you're gonna lose it at some point.

2130
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:37,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna not take too long. I'm gonna say, Lowa,

2131
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 2: I actually think the crop of champions we have now

2132
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 2: are pretty good. Like Islam, who's gonna, you know, tough

2133
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:48,040
Speaker 2: guy to beat, imediate like Volkanovski. I see beating Lopez

2134
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:49,639
Speaker 2: and then I could see him beating a move zag guy,

2135
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:53,680
Speaker 2: you know, so he would stay there. Pdad fucking looked unbelievable,

2136
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:56,800
Speaker 2: like these got. These guys are like pretty good crop

2137
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:59,000
Speaker 2: of champions they have now. So I think we will

2138
01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:02,160
Speaker 2: have some changes, but I think I could see see

2139
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 2: that just being a bit law LT.

2140
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:07,720
Speaker 1: What are you taking on that, I'll take the over now.

2141
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 1: If the idea is again some drop the belt and

2142
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 1: then move up. I mean, you know, I just feel

2143
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:17,519
Speaker 1: feel like there's good. There's just there's the thing about

2144
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:19,680
Speaker 1: it is is every time I feel like there's never

2145
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:22,240
Speaker 1: gonna be movement, there's movement, and for reasons you don't

2146
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:24,719
Speaker 1: always expect. I agree that, like guys like Hamzat unless

2147
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:26,240
Speaker 1: he drops it and goes to two o five. By

2148
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:28,240
Speaker 1: the way, but certainly I don't think there's any I

2149
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:30,800
Speaker 1: don't see any middleweight contender necessarily taking it off of him.

2150
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:32,479
Speaker 1: And I think Islam is also gonna be pretty tough

2151
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 1: to beat. But you know, I mean Yan. I think

2152
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:39,000
Speaker 1: Yan is very talented, but I could see Umar beating him.

2153
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:41,280
Speaker 1: God only knows what's gonna happen at flyway between here

2154
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 1: and then. Vulk is a little chinny and he may

2155
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 1: only have one more in him anyway, Like, there's just

2156
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:47,760
Speaker 1: a lot of ways where you can get that. Say

2157
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:49,280
Speaker 1: nothing of the women's side of the bracket. You know,

2158
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:50,280
Speaker 1: I'm kind of with you.

2159
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 4: I think it's over LT back to you, though high

2160
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:55,000
Speaker 4: or lower than seven and a half the amount of

2161
01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 4: time Shaquille majority texts you to retweet an interview. I

2162
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:00,280
Speaker 4: know he just did a Kaila interview this week, So

2163
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:01,640
Speaker 4: how many times did he ask you for that?

2164
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:04,640
Speaker 1: Or was it Amanda? I will say that if he

2165
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:08,799
Speaker 1: texted me seven or eight times, I'd fly to British

2166
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:11,679
Speaker 1: Vancouver personally and throw his phone in the ocean.

2167
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:15,479
Speaker 3: All right, So it's lower than that, you know, I

2168
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 3: don't know oscar higher, lower than nine and a half

2169
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 3: the amount of beers you consume on an average Friday night.

2170
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:26,120
Speaker 2: So tonight the Bears night, get about four beers in.

2171
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:27,400
Speaker 2: Then you switched to the vodkas.

2172
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:30,439
Speaker 1: Is that what is your drink of choice?

2173
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:32,080
Speaker 2: It's very manly.

2174
01:39:32,240 --> 01:39:36,960
Speaker 4: Vodka sprite, that's your drink of choice. Yes, very if

2175
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:39,519
Speaker 4: you include the vodka sprites. Are we going over under

2176
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:40,559
Speaker 4: nine and a half total?

2177
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, I'm not long for this world. Boys.

2178
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 1: Is vodka sprite? Is that a British thing? Or is

2179
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:48,879
Speaker 1: that just you being.

2180
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:52,040
Speaker 3: No?

2181
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:54,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we call it a vodka lemonade over there.

2182
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I don't know how I got

2183
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:57,479
Speaker 2: onto vodkast spry. I think I was a university. But yeah,

2184
01:39:57,680 --> 01:39:59,960
Speaker 2: it just fucking goes down really quickly. I'm a very

2185
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 2: like compulsive drink.

2186
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:04,759
Speaker 1: You're like Sean Shirk. So Sean Shark did a famous

2187
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:06,760
Speaker 1: interview on like a U not a UFC embedded but

2188
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:11,240
Speaker 1: like the precursor programming and he's eating this like I'm

2189
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:13,120
Speaker 1: not this is my glass case, right, so this is

2190
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:15,760
Speaker 1: what my glasses are here. But like he takes this

2191
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 1: bar of something and it's brown, like darker than this,

2192
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:21,880
Speaker 1: almost like like a like a like a shit log,

2193
01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:24,840
Speaker 1: and he's like, he's like this is he's unwrapping it

2194
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:27,439
Speaker 1: between workouts and the UFC's like, what are you eating

2195
01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 1: and he's like, it's basically this paste he would make

2196
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:32,760
Speaker 1: that would just be pure nutrients that he would eat

2197
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:35,400
Speaker 1: to refuel himself. And people are like does it taste good?

2198
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 1: And he's eating it and he stops and he looks

2199
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:40,800
Speaker 1: up and he goes, I don't eat for taste. I

2200
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 1: eat for performance, and I was like, well, I eat

2201
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:45,560
Speaker 1: for taste. I don't know about the rest of the

2202
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 1: little fuckers.

2203
01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:49,519
Speaker 4: You know, that's lt higher lower than one and a

2204
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 4: half the amount of times Armant Seroukian has to fight

2205
01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 4: before getting a title shot.

2206
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 3: Oh man, that.

2207
01:40:55,360 --> 01:41:09,360
Speaker 1: Is the big fucking question. I hmmm, I'm gonna take

2208
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:11,840
Speaker 1: the under. And the reason why is not because he

2209
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to do it normally. I just feel like

2210
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:19,200
Speaker 1: some kind of disaster or fucking an incident is gonna

2211
01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:21,840
Speaker 1: happen and they're gonna need him on short notice and

2212
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:24,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna be like, oh cool, and then he'll jump

2213
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:26,040
Speaker 1: to the front and this will all be forgiven. But like,

2214
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:28,680
Speaker 1: if that doesn't happen, then he'll have to fight too.

2215
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:31,720
Speaker 1: But I'll take the under officially, Oscar, what are you thinking?

2216
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:33,800
Speaker 2: I actually think the under because I think by the

2217
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:38,640
Speaker 2: time he fights his next fight, uh, the swell of

2218
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:42,320
Speaker 2: like fans like he's being mistreated will have risen so

2219
01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:44,519
Speaker 2: much that actually his fighting for the title would be

2220
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:47,080
Speaker 2: big in the same way Blow when Leon eventually got there,

2221
01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:49,800
Speaker 2: because eventually people were like blow to get it, then

2222
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 2: he got it. I think it'll be the same. So

2223
01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:52,920
Speaker 2: I think he'll fight one more time against who. I

2224
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:54,479
Speaker 2: don't have a fucking clue it. Actually, it would be

2225
01:41:54,479 --> 01:41:55,920
Speaker 2: a bit of a ball of me if he just

2226
01:41:55,960 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 2: took a fight at well to way to be honest,

2227
01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:00,920
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, I think I'll I one more time

2228
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:02,880
Speaker 2: and then that'll sort of work out with getting a

2229
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:03,439
Speaker 2: title shot.

2230
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:05,920
Speaker 3: See, I'm kind of taking the over because we know

2231
01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:09,559
Speaker 3: Illy is gonna presumably get the winner of Gaegee and Patty,

2232
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 3: and like that's arguably in the summer and now like

2233
01:42:13,160 --> 01:42:16,360
Speaker 3: that person defends. Maybe in NAT you.

2234
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:18,679
Speaker 2: Can't come back for ages and they do an interim defense.

2235
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:21,519
Speaker 3: That's what Yeah, that's that's what I was thinking when

2236
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:23,600
Speaker 3: Luke said his thing. But uh, oscar over to you.

2237
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:27,080
Speaker 3: Higher lower than zero point five. The amount of times

2238
01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:29,479
Speaker 3: Mike Bond has slept over your house in the last

2239
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:30,160
Speaker 3: three hundred six.

2240
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:33,920
Speaker 2: I think I let him stay here a couple of days. Ironically,

2241
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:36,240
Speaker 2: he's staying here on Tuesday, saying, yeah.

2242
01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:39,240
Speaker 1: I mean you know this is m guys or something.

2243
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:41,479
Speaker 2: What's going on? Yeah, we share it bad. We just

2244
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:44,200
Speaker 2: talk about off feelings, you know, stare at the sailing together.

2245
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:48,160
Speaker 3: It's awesome, uh, Luke. Higher lower than point five. The

2246
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:51,040
Speaker 3: amount of times John Jones fights in the UFC in

2247
01:42:51,160 --> 01:42:52,160
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six.

2248
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:00,799
Speaker 1: I will take the over because I would be surprised

2249
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:04,360
Speaker 1: if he does it. Fight one more time, but that

2250
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:07,799
Speaker 1: probably is going to be it, right, He'll get probably

2251
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:10,560
Speaker 1: the Poton fight because Poton wants it. He wants it.

2252
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:15,760
Speaker 1: Probably won't be on the UFC White House, Carlil though,

2253
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, one never knows. I mean.

2254
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:22,360
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2255
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 1: I mean Dana doesn't want it.

2256
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:26,240
Speaker 2: I feel like the guy who lives in the White

2257
01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:27,720
Speaker 2: House is the one who's going to get to say

2258
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 2: what he wants. And he loves John.

2259
01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:38,040
Speaker 1: Jones, So this is true. This is true. However, Dude,

2260
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 1: John's capacity to fun sit up is just endless, you know.

2261
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:41,560
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just a lot of ways that just

2262
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:42,240
Speaker 1: doesn't happen.

2263
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:42,680
Speaker 2: Uh.

2264
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:46,120
Speaker 1: Nevertheless, I'll say one, I'll go there, I'll take the over.

2265
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:51,000
Speaker 2: All, right, Oscar, I think I think they'll do. I

2266
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:53,519
Speaker 2: believe they'll probably do praier John at the White House.

2267
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:57,360
Speaker 2: The only thing I think that could stop that, unbelievably

2268
01:43:57,520 --> 01:43:59,880
Speaker 2: is like I actually see a world where Derek Lewis wins,

2269
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:02,519
Speaker 2: and Trump fucking loves Deak Lewis and they do hit

2270
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,760
Speaker 2: him against Pierra for an interim title. I could see

2271
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:06,599
Speaker 2: that actually at the White House. That would be hilarious.

2272
01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:11,280
Speaker 2: But I think eventually Trump will have a say, They'll

2273
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:13,400
Speaker 2: realize this is the only chance they get him back.

2274
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:15,760
Speaker 2: They'll just do it, you know, why not pull the

2275
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:17,080
Speaker 2: tricker on that is my opinion.

2276
01:44:17,479 --> 01:44:19,120
Speaker 3: I'm taking the lower on it. I don't think John

2277
01:44:19,160 --> 01:44:19,679
Speaker 3: fights again.

2278
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:21,519
Speaker 1: But why why's that?

2279
01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:22,600
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2280
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:26,280
Speaker 4: I just my prediction last year was that Jones espinal

2281
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:28,680
Speaker 4: happens in twenty twenty five, it did not, and now

2282
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:32,120
Speaker 4: I'm just feeling even more pessimistic about him ever fighting again.

2283
01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:34,560
Speaker 3: So I don't know, I'll see it.

2284
01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:38,160
Speaker 4: This one is for Oscar I believe, yes, higher, lower

2285
01:44:38,240 --> 01:44:40,559
Speaker 4: than three and a half the amount of title fights

2286
01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:41,840
Speaker 4: on the UFC White House.

2287
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:45,679
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a good question.

2288
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:48,160
Speaker 1: So Sunday. It's a Sunday, so they could play with

2289
01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:49,639
Speaker 1: the timing in all kinds of ways.

2290
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:55,400
Speaker 2: I think they'll do four because then that would be historic, right.

2291
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:59,320
Speaker 2: I don't think they'll do the six or seven that's

2292
01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:01,640
Speaker 2: been said, but uh, I think they'll be four. I

2293
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:04,559
Speaker 2: think they'll get there will be a women's title fight

2294
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:07,400
Speaker 2: on there. I think the interim heavyweight title fight will

2295
01:45:07,400 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 2: be on there. I reckon they could do from yeah

2296
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:15,240
Speaker 2: then yeah someone. They'll be like a solid title fight,

2297
01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:18,040
Speaker 2: a BMF title fight, the interium title fight, and women's

2298
01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:20,120
Speaker 2: title fight. They'll cover the whole base. That's my opinion.

2299
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. That's my view too.

2300
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:25,519
Speaker 3: See, I feel like any more than three, they're just

2301
01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:28,800
Speaker 3: handicapping themselves for the rest of the year, Like I

2302
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:29,320
Speaker 3: give a fuck.

2303
01:45:30,040 --> 01:45:31,880
Speaker 1: But to his point, if it's a pay per view

2304
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:34,000
Speaker 1: and it's BMF, it's less encumbered.

2305
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2306
01:45:36,160 --> 01:45:39,439
Speaker 4: I just I feel like I'm going under and uh,

2307
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:41,920
Speaker 4: someone else I was talking, I think it jose Young's

2308
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:42,680
Speaker 4: was saying, He's like, what.

2309
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:45,000
Speaker 3: About if McGregor headlines, they're not going to put title

2310
01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:48,679
Speaker 3: fights under him? And I'm like, I think that this world,

2311
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:50,400
Speaker 3: there's zero title fights on this card.

2312
01:45:50,479 --> 01:45:52,120
Speaker 1: What can you tell us about McGregor here?

2313
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 2: Well, I can't say anything with inside knowledge. I know

2314
01:45:54,640 --> 01:46:00,680
Speaker 2: they started talking, but like, because the whole thing with

2315
01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:03,240
Speaker 2: like not putting title fights on the grade cards is

2316
01:46:03,240 --> 01:46:05,000
Speaker 2: because then everyone gets a cut of the pay view,

2317
01:46:05,080 --> 01:46:07,400
Speaker 2: they lose money. The UFC would lose money by paying

2318
01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 2: out people percentages of pay view. If pay per view

2319
01:46:09,479 --> 01:46:11,080
Speaker 2: is gone and they just fix a fit at a

2320
01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:14,479
Speaker 2: flat rate with these vices, that's not the issue anymore.

2321
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:16,040
Speaker 2: So then it's like it doesn't really matter if they

2322
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 2: put championships on it, you know, just cure just yeah,

2323
01:46:20,439 --> 01:46:23,160
Speaker 2: that I don't know. Like Dana's comments that came out

2324
01:46:23,240 --> 01:46:25,080
Speaker 2: yesterday was a little bit weird to me. That's kind

2325
01:46:25,120 --> 01:46:26,519
Speaker 2: of like not what I've been hearing. So I was

2326
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:28,439
Speaker 2: a bit sort of taken aback by that. I do

2327
01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:31,840
Speaker 2: wonder if now we're entering into the public negotiations period

2328
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:34,439
Speaker 2: of these cards. You know, I think a lot of

2329
01:46:34,479 --> 01:46:36,080
Speaker 2: guys are going to get like, well, we don't know,

2330
01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:37,360
Speaker 2: you know. I think we're gonna get a lot of

2331
01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 2: that from Daneries in the next couple of weeks. But yeah,

2332
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:42,519
Speaker 2: I don't I see a world where they put title

2333
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:45,160
Speaker 2: fights on now. It just is like, does conn of

2334
01:46:45,200 --> 01:46:47,360
Speaker 2: main event or does he comine event to a heavyweight title?

2335
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:49,519
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? That that's does kind of

2336
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 2: want three rounds instead of five rounds?

2337
01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:51,600
Speaker 7: Like that.

2338
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:53,360
Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff to play here with.

2339
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:55,519
Speaker 1: You know, you're going to fight in seventy or fifty five.

2340
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:58,439
Speaker 2: I would assume seventy, but that was what it was

2341
01:46:58,479 --> 01:46:59,800
Speaker 2: meant to be the last time I write him and trying,

2342
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:01,320
Speaker 2: so I assume that.

2343
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:05,800
Speaker 3: But ltie higher lower than two and a half the

2344
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:07,960
Speaker 3: amount of times Oscar has asked you to borrow money

2345
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:11,160
Speaker 3: since we've been live. I'm curious.

2346
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:14,520
Speaker 1: It's the under but just barely.

2347
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:17,000
Speaker 2: A couple of times.

2348
01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:20,040
Speaker 1: You definitely sent me a link to like Adrian Broner

2349
01:47:20,120 --> 01:47:21,000
Speaker 1: to his cash.

2350
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:25,240
Speaker 3: App uh Oscar higher lower than eight and a half

2351
01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:28,840
Speaker 3: the amount of months before pay per view is introduced,

2352
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:32,760
Speaker 3: even if just for one event to October.

2353
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I if it's gonna be they'll put the

2354
01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:38,519
Speaker 2: White House out one hundred bucks, right, that's like the

2355
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:45,719
Speaker 2: obvious one. Yeah. Then it gets tricky, right because there's

2356
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:48,760
Speaker 2: no gates. They don't have any ticket sales, so they're

2357
01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:51,360
Speaker 2: gonna want to recoup some money. So then I think

2358
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:53,840
Speaker 2: if you do get a con, I just don't see

2359
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:55,320
Speaker 2: a world where they give you a corn of card

2360
01:47:55,800 --> 01:48:01,040
Speaker 2: for free. So I think that will be. That's my prediction, Luke.

2361
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna take the over. I still think

2362
01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:08,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna try and make this work. I mean, it's

2363
01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:12,760
Speaker 1: been such a big publicity point, it's contracted revenue, it's

2364
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 1: well beyond what they had even expected to get in

2365
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:17,720
Speaker 1: their rosy scenario. I think they're gonna try and keep

2366
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:19,200
Speaker 1: it without.

2367
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:21,599
Speaker 3: It all right, all right, guys, well that was higher

2368
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:22,960
Speaker 3: or lower. Hopefully you enjoyed it.

2369
01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:23,840
Speaker 2: Uh fo.

2370
01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:29,200
Speaker 4: Segment next segment we got is called what's My age Again? Basically,

2371
01:48:29,320 --> 01:48:30,880
Speaker 4: I'm gonna show you guys a picture of a fighter.

2372
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:33,679
Speaker 4: You have to tell me their exact age. If you're wrong,

2373
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:36,800
Speaker 4: you then have to rate a tattoo one to ten,

2374
01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:39,080
Speaker 4: and even if you hate it, you have to at

2375
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 4: least say one nice thing about it.

2376
01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:43,880
Speaker 3: Okay, great, So this is called what's my age again?

2377
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:50,240
Speaker 2: All right? Guys?

2378
01:48:50,280 --> 01:48:55,800
Speaker 3: So fighter number one, Banil darry Jush Luke, how old

2379
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:57,400
Speaker 3: is Banil Daryush.

2380
01:48:58,280 --> 01:49:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to say flat thirty nine?

2381
01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:08,439
Speaker 3: Oh no way, he is thirty six years old, Poor

2382
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:11,360
Speaker 3: Benny Man. You just threw him under the bus like that.

2383
01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:15,760
Speaker 3: LT rate this tattoo on a scale of one to two.

2384
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:22,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, I don't want to. I don't

2385
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:27,920
Speaker 1: you know. I know Ali had some neurodegenerative diseases. I

2386
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:32,920
Speaker 1: didn't know they were commemorating them. This is a somewhere

2387
01:49:32,920 --> 01:49:36,800
Speaker 1: around a negative nine billion, a scale of one to ten.

2388
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:39,680
Speaker 3: Now say something nice about it.

2389
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:45,320
Speaker 1: I like that they try to immortalize Muhammad Ali.

2390
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:52,040
Speaker 3: Okay, Luke. Just for context, here's where this tattoo belongs. Yes,

2391
01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:57,519
Speaker 3: that is Oscar Willis's what do you call that ribcage tattoo?

2392
01:49:57,640 --> 01:49:58,600
Speaker 3: Whatever you want to call it.

2393
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:02,400
Speaker 1: So you ask her by me and hate it?

2394
01:50:02,479 --> 01:50:04,240
Speaker 2: What did I do? Trust me? Fuck?

2395
01:50:04,360 --> 01:50:05,680
Speaker 1: When did you fucking get that?

2396
01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:08,960
Speaker 2: Twenty seventeen cost me two hundred dollars.

2397
01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:11,840
Speaker 1: And you got a dollar tattoo that big?

2398
01:50:12,280 --> 01:50:15,160
Speaker 2: Yes, I know. And after I got it done, I

2399
01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:17,320
Speaker 2: looked in the mirror, guys and we He and I

2400
01:50:17,439 --> 01:50:19,400
Speaker 2: had an argument during it. He's like, you keep flinching.

2401
01:50:19,439 --> 01:50:21,320
Speaker 2: I was like, it fucking hurts. Like we were literally arguing,

2402
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:23,000
Speaker 2: and then at the end I looked in the mirror

2403
01:50:23,040 --> 01:50:24,400
Speaker 2: and he went, what do you think. I went, well,

2404
01:50:24,479 --> 01:50:29,400
Speaker 2: it's there now. Uh. And I actually I bumped into

2405
01:50:30,040 --> 01:50:33,280
Speaker 2: Arlie's widow at an event and I had a couple

2406
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:34,680
Speaker 2: of cocktails and I walked up to her. I went,

2407
01:50:34,840 --> 01:50:37,200
Speaker 2: I've got your dead husband tattooed on me and she's

2408
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:38,880
Speaker 2: like what And then I just showed her and she

2409
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:41,760
Speaker 2: was just like, wow, you must really love Ali.

2410
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:46,160
Speaker 1: I was like, thanks, Yeah, where did you get this tattoo?

2411
01:50:46,160 --> 01:50:46,639
Speaker 1: In the States?

2412
01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:47,080
Speaker 7: No?

2413
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:50,280
Speaker 2: UK? Fuck it. It was brutal as well. The ribs

2414
01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:51,160
Speaker 2: are the worst.

2415
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:55,439
Speaker 1: My first tattoo was on my ribs and god, yeah

2416
01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 1: it hurt.

2417
01:50:56,520 --> 01:50:56,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2418
01:50:57,880 --> 01:50:59,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a terrible tattoo.

2419
01:50:59,080 --> 01:51:01,200
Speaker 2: You have a terrible He's really really bad.

2420
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:05,479
Speaker 1: Well, wow, Luke, that was well played. That was well played, Oscar.

2421
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:08,800
Speaker 3: Your first fighter Israel out of Sonya. How old is

2422
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:10,720
Speaker 3: Israel otis Sonya Betty.

2423
01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:18,439
Speaker 4: Six you nailed it? Yes, Wow, random that you chose

2424
01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:21,040
Speaker 4: to look that up. I will say we didn't even

2425
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:22,880
Speaker 4: I guess we did talk about Ezzy earlier on this.

2426
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:24,759
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I was gonna say, not that random.

2427
01:51:25,080 --> 01:51:27,400
Speaker 3: Two more fighters we talked about earlier on this and

2428
01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:29,960
Speaker 3: you guys whoa that was where you guys mentioned their age.

2429
01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:32,000
Speaker 3: So I'm like, fuck this. You know, we'll see what

2430
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:35,599
Speaker 3: happens there. But Luke your next fighter Mick to beck

2431
01:51:36,040 --> 01:51:36,639
Speaker 3: oral By.

2432
01:51:36,760 --> 01:51:46,559
Speaker 1: Oh fuck me. Yeah, I'm gonna say thirty one.

2433
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:51,719
Speaker 3: Oh man, you're you're again over exceeding. He is twenty

2434
01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:54,559
Speaker 3: seven years old, Yes.

2435
01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:57,240
Speaker 4: Twenty seven years old for Mick to beech oral by

2436
01:51:57,360 --> 01:51:58,839
Speaker 4: Luke your second tattoo.

2437
01:51:59,040 --> 01:52:01,479
Speaker 3: First of all, rate this one to ten for me.

2438
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I wouldn't call this negative eight billion,

2439
01:52:05,080 --> 01:52:07,639
Speaker 1: but this is somewhere around negative seven billion.

2440
01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:08,160
Speaker 7: This is.

2441
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:14,080
Speaker 1: Not a great idea or tattoo or well just anything.

2442
01:52:14,479 --> 01:52:15,680
Speaker 3: Well, say something nice about it.

2443
01:52:18,040 --> 01:52:22,000
Speaker 1: The guy who was administering it is wearing Latex gloves

2444
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:25,360
Speaker 1: and tells me there was some level of cleanliness involved

2445
01:52:25,400 --> 01:52:25,560
Speaker 1: in this.

2446
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:27,439
Speaker 3: Are you familiar with this tattoo?

2447
01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:29,960
Speaker 1: At all, Luke, is this is this Brian Ortega?

2448
01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:33,839
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, this is the Tracy cart has Brian Ortaga tattoo.

2449
01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:35,240
Speaker 1: You didn't know about this, Oscar.

2450
01:52:35,479 --> 01:52:37,439
Speaker 2: I didn't realize he got a name tattooed on his lip.

2451
01:52:37,680 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, disappear, Yeah yeah yeah, you know, no big deal.

2452
01:52:42,760 --> 01:52:45,639
Speaker 2: My friend when we were kids, my friend got which

2453
01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:48,320
Speaker 2: we're seventeen, the drinking Asian UK is eighteen. He got

2454
01:52:48,360 --> 01:52:50,479
Speaker 2: the year before he was born tattooed on his lips

2455
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:52,360
Speaker 2: so he could go to bounds, like, well, obviously I

2456
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:54,560
Speaker 2: wouldn't get this tattooed if I wasn't. And then a

2457
01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:56,400
Speaker 2: year later you're like, well, now you're a fucking idiot.

2458
01:52:56,400 --> 01:52:57,519
Speaker 2: You got the wrong year tattoed on it.

2459
01:52:57,560 --> 01:52:59,320
Speaker 3: Anyway, that's actually hilarious.

2460
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:02,720
Speaker 4: Oscar a fighter we already talked about earlier, and I'm

2461
01:53:02,720 --> 01:53:04,439
Speaker 4: pretty sure you guys said his age, but you know

2462
01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:05,559
Speaker 4: we didn't plan this ahead.

2463
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:10,360
Speaker 2: Hobo Cop, Well, I don't remember. For some reason, I

2464
01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:12,719
Speaker 2: feel like it's thirty four.

2465
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:18,920
Speaker 3: Ooh, so close. He is thirty three despite looking forty five,

2466
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:23,559
Speaker 3: But shout out to hobo cop. Nonetheless, Oscar, your tattoo too,

2467
01:53:24,320 --> 01:53:27,639
Speaker 3: critique if I can find it is somewhere here here.

2468
01:53:27,680 --> 01:53:29,760
Speaker 3: It is rate that one to ten.

2469
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:31,559
Speaker 1: Oh, be very careful.

2470
01:53:32,040 --> 01:53:33,040
Speaker 2: Oh this is Nikes.

2471
01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:36,160
Speaker 3: Now, this is just a random one I found on Google.

2472
01:53:36,439 --> 01:53:38,040
Speaker 3: I typed shitty tattoos in this game.

2473
01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:44,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I'm gonna be it's the Sondid six.

2474
01:53:45,120 --> 01:53:49,240
Speaker 3: Okay, something nice about it. That's a lot a little

2475
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:49,679
Speaker 3: bit harder.

2476
01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:53,800
Speaker 2: Um, you know what. It's very it's very freedom. It's

2477
01:53:53,880 --> 01:53:56,800
Speaker 2: very America Eagle. You know, I like it. It's a

2478
01:53:56,880 --> 01:53:58,759
Speaker 2: very passionate tattoo.

2479
01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:01,200
Speaker 3: All right, well, I'm I mean you're kind of knew already,

2480
01:54:01,240 --> 01:54:04,400
Speaker 3: but yes, that is Luke Thomas's tattoo. You see the

2481
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:07,439
Speaker 3: the Instagram post there. Look how many years ago?

2482
01:54:07,560 --> 01:54:07,720
Speaker 5: Is that?

2483
01:54:07,840 --> 01:54:08,479
Speaker 3: Six years ago?

2484
01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:13,080
Speaker 1: Something like that? Uh, twenty twenty. Yeah, so Jesus has

2485
01:54:13,200 --> 01:54:14,880
Speaker 1: been that long. Yeah. First of all, this is not

2486
01:54:14,960 --> 01:54:17,080
Speaker 1: a six. This is a solid eight. Motherfucker.

2487
01:54:17,640 --> 01:54:20,719
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm being quite nice for the six to be honest.

2488
01:54:20,760 --> 01:54:22,840
Speaker 1: Oh, fuck off, you don't know you're talking about that's

2489
01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:24,720
Speaker 1: an excellent Clearly, I don't look at what I got.

2490
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:28,679
Speaker 3: But yes, fair enough, all right, LT your next fighter,

2491
01:54:29,720 --> 01:54:32,800
Speaker 3: you girl, Eileen Perez, Oh.

2492
01:54:32,800 --> 01:54:41,280
Speaker 1: God, strong fight. Um, I don't fucking.

2493
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:47,080
Speaker 2: Know you can see how oh the insides of her.

2494
01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:50,400
Speaker 1: Uh, okay, she does the whole bit, she shows the

2495
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:50,760
Speaker 1: whole bit.

2496
01:54:51,320 --> 01:54:52,839
Speaker 2: Yes, I believe now he's interesting.

2497
01:54:54,560 --> 01:54:56,200
Speaker 1: Not my type, not my type.

2498
01:54:56,520 --> 01:54:57,000
Speaker 2: The rings.

2499
01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:01,640
Speaker 1: Uh, I'll say thirty.

2500
01:55:02,360 --> 01:55:07,760
Speaker 3: Oh so close, she's thirty one. LT rate this tat

2501
01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:08,560
Speaker 3: one to ten.

2502
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:10,840
Speaker 1: For me, Well, lots of ten out of ten.

2503
01:55:10,920 --> 01:55:15,240
Speaker 3: Let's be Yeah, it's pretty good. It's pretty good compliment

2504
01:55:15,320 --> 01:55:15,920
Speaker 3: for it as well.

2505
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:19,600
Speaker 1: I like how the shark is grimacing and then the

2506
01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:22,360
Speaker 1: guy who's getting bitten is just looking like it's you know,

2507
01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:24,040
Speaker 1: he's like waiting on his eggs to fry.

2508
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:24,320
Speaker 7: You know.

2509
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:29,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good one. That's Oscar your next fighter again,

2510
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:32,680
Speaker 3: someone we mentioned earlier in the episode, but that proved

2511
01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:36,600
Speaker 3: not to be mean anything with Hobo cop Raoul Rososh

2512
01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:37,840
Speaker 3: Junior twenty one.

2513
01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:43,160
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, this is bullshit that you gave him two names.

2514
01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:45,600
Speaker 4: I should have I should have realized we were going

2515
01:55:45,680 --> 01:55:47,720
Speaker 4: to talk about it. But I will say I made

2516
01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:50,520
Speaker 4: all these fighters. I sent all these to Mikey on Wednesday,

2517
01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:52,400
Speaker 4: and then we made the rundown yesterday.

2518
01:55:54,240 --> 01:55:58,440
Speaker 3: Elt back to you. Cody Garbrand, Oh good one.

2519
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:07,360
Speaker 1: I don't think he's that old. I'm gonna say thirty five.

2520
01:56:08,440 --> 01:56:12,240
Speaker 1: Oh again, one year off. He is thirty four years old.

2521
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:14,200
Speaker 1: And I was, I mean, in my head gonna say

2522
01:56:14,280 --> 01:56:16,000
Speaker 1: say thirty four, and then I went up one. Fuck

2523
01:56:16,120 --> 01:56:20,840
Speaker 1: me man, lt you rate this tat make America skate again?

2524
01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:23,200
Speaker 1: Solid seven and a half?

2525
01:56:23,680 --> 01:56:25,040
Speaker 3: All right, something nice about it?

2526
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:29,120
Speaker 1: The lettering is the end is a little bit messed

2527
01:56:29,200 --> 01:56:33,680
Speaker 1: up in the eye and again but uh, it's well done.

2528
01:56:33,800 --> 01:56:35,920
Speaker 1: This is a well done tattoo, very legible.

2529
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:39,000
Speaker 3: Yes, say something nice about it. You're like the eye

2530
01:56:39,120 --> 01:56:39,840
Speaker 3: is fucked up.

2531
01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:43,600
Speaker 1: In general, the lettering was good, all.

2532
01:56:43,560 --> 01:56:52,200
Speaker 3: Right, Oscar. Back to you, Andre touchy feely ooh fuck.

2533
01:56:52,240 --> 01:56:53,800
Speaker 2: I could be way off with this, but I'm gonna

2534
01:56:53,800 --> 01:56:54,560
Speaker 2: say thirty six.

2535
01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:58,880
Speaker 3: You also are one year off. He is thirty five

2536
01:56:59,080 --> 01:57:02,360
Speaker 3: years old. Oscar. I got one of your other tattoos

2537
01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:03,440
Speaker 3: here rated for me.

2538
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:06,400
Speaker 2: That's not mine, but that is obviously a ten out

2539
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:08,480
Speaker 2: of dan and one. I would like to replicate.

2540
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:12,440
Speaker 3: Compliment as well, I guess wanting to replicate it as

2541
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:13,080
Speaker 3: a compliment me.

2542
01:57:13,160 --> 01:57:15,800
Speaker 2: There you go, Yeah, what's what's what can you complain

2543
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:16,160
Speaker 2: about it?

2544
01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:16,880
Speaker 1: There you go?

2545
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:22,040
Speaker 3: Elt Your last fighter is Mohammed Makayah.

2546
01:57:22,440 --> 01:57:27,160
Speaker 1: Okay, shit balls, I feel like I can get tripped.

2547
01:57:27,200 --> 01:57:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just go with my gun. I'm gonna say

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01:57:28,640 --> 01:57:29,160
Speaker 1: twenty nine.

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01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:35,440
Speaker 3: My man's is only twenty five years what. Yeah, that's why,

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01:57:35,560 --> 01:57:37,280
Speaker 3: like UC definitely needs to resign him.

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01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:39,120
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean they've been needed to resign him for

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01:57:39,120 --> 01:57:41,680
Speaker 1: a while. Now he's really come along. But I didn't

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01:57:41,680 --> 01:57:43,160
Speaker 1: realize he was just twenty five.

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01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:47,840
Speaker 3: Holy ELTI your last tatt to rate one to ten

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01:57:47,960 --> 01:57:48,160
Speaker 3: on this?

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01:57:48,760 --> 01:57:51,200
Speaker 1: Wait? Wait? Wait? Is it pixelated the tattoo?

2557
01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:56,480
Speaker 3: No, the photo is probably you know, it's images.

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01:57:57,040 --> 01:57:59,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, if the tattoo itself is actually pixelated,

2559
01:58:00,040 --> 01:58:02,240
Speaker 1: then it's a ten out of ten. No, it's you know,

2560
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:04,680
Speaker 1: it's just a it's just a bullshit ass union jack.

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01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:07,360
Speaker 2: But it's done like a crayon, like a kid did it.

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01:58:07,400 --> 01:58:08,800
Speaker 3: It's very Yeah, it's very Uh.

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01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:09,640
Speaker 1: I'll give it.

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01:58:09,800 --> 01:58:13,440
Speaker 3: I'll give it a three, okay, and then a compliment.

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01:58:15,480 --> 01:58:16,600
Speaker 1: I like the union jack.

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01:58:18,360 --> 01:58:21,760
Speaker 3: All right, tell that to this man's face, done his

2567
01:58:21,880 --> 01:58:22,600
Speaker 3: fucking chest?

2568
01:58:22,640 --> 01:58:24,760
Speaker 1: All right? When did you? When did you get that one?

2569
01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:27,800
Speaker 2: That's when I moved to the States. I was homesick

2570
01:58:27,960 --> 01:58:29,880
Speaker 2: and I thought, you know what, I'm going to get

2571
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:31,600
Speaker 2: this on me and then all my friends went, oh,

2572
01:58:31,640 --> 01:58:32,760
Speaker 2: we didn't know you were racist.

2573
01:58:32,840 --> 01:58:36,200
Speaker 1: Now is it racist to get the union Jack?

2574
01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:39,600
Speaker 2: It's just like very like being in the UK being

2575
01:58:39,720 --> 01:58:42,480
Speaker 2: overly patriotic as usually right wing.

2576
01:58:42,640 --> 01:58:44,920
Speaker 1: It's not racist, but the racist people do.

2577
01:58:45,200 --> 01:58:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. But like if you have a flag outside your house,

2578
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:50,520
Speaker 2: it's like you don't like curry. It's one of those

2579
01:58:51,280 --> 01:58:52,320
Speaker 2: you don't like curry.

2580
01:58:53,400 --> 01:58:58,840
Speaker 1: The Indian food in London ironically the best I've ever had, insane.

2581
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:02,360
Speaker 2: Ironically, Yeah, it's I think that the best dishes in

2582
01:59:02,440 --> 01:59:05,600
Speaker 2: the UK are French, Italian and Indian, which has a

2583
01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:06,800
Speaker 2: lot about our own cuisine.

2584
01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:10,280
Speaker 3: Sorry, you got the best of it. It's a melting pot. Oscar,

2585
01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:14,000
Speaker 3: your last fighter Loopy Goudinias.

2586
01:59:14,600 --> 01:59:18,760
Speaker 2: I actually think she's quite young and she twenty nine, so.

2587
01:59:18,840 --> 01:59:21,120
Speaker 3: That's a compliment to her because she is thirty two

2588
01:59:21,440 --> 01:59:25,680
Speaker 3: years wow, Oscar, last tat for you to rate? How

2589
01:59:25,720 --> 01:59:26,320
Speaker 3: about this one?

2590
01:59:27,800 --> 01:59:27,960
Speaker 2: Ah?

2591
01:59:28,040 --> 01:59:30,440
Speaker 1: But it's your showing it. It's hard to read.

2592
01:59:30,600 --> 01:59:32,080
Speaker 2: I can't even see what the fuck it is, to

2593
01:59:32,160 --> 01:59:33,400
Speaker 2: be honest, Yeah, I mean exactly.

2594
01:59:33,640 --> 01:59:35,240
Speaker 3: No one really knows what it is. That's part of

2595
01:59:35,320 --> 01:59:37,160
Speaker 3: its I know what it is.

2596
01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:40,280
Speaker 2: It looks like some anime shit to be honest with,

2597
01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:40,920
Speaker 2: what is it?

2598
01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:42,600
Speaker 1: Oh?

2599
01:59:42,680 --> 01:59:46,840
Speaker 3: There it is on your forum. Great photo of you.

2600
01:59:48,280 --> 01:59:49,040
Speaker 3: What are we wading that?

2601
01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:51,960
Speaker 2: I'll be honestly, I don't love it.

2602
01:59:52,520 --> 01:59:53,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fine.

2603
01:59:53,480 --> 01:59:55,400
Speaker 2: I think it's a three out of ten. But the

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01:59:55,480 --> 01:59:57,440
Speaker 2: com it's attached to a very nice.

2605
01:59:57,320 --> 02:00:00,840
Speaker 1: Man that is a very nice cal It's the letter V.

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02:00:02,400 --> 02:00:05,040
Speaker 1: It's upside down. If my arm is hanging, obviously you

2607
02:00:05,120 --> 02:00:06,720
Speaker 1: can see it. And with the imagery you're looking at

2608
02:00:06,760 --> 02:00:09,360
Speaker 1: there is nobody knows what it is they found. I

2609
02:00:09,440 --> 02:00:11,760
Speaker 1: got this tattoo in Cartogana, Columbia, I think a couple

2610
02:00:11,840 --> 02:00:17,040
Speaker 1: of years ago for my daughter, and the imagery that

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02:00:17,120 --> 02:00:19,480
Speaker 1: you see was found on what they considered to be

2612
02:00:19,600 --> 02:00:24,000
Speaker 1: pre Columbian money and it was sort of ubiquitous, and

2613
02:00:24,080 --> 02:00:26,880
Speaker 1: I wanted something that was, you know, tied to the earth,

2614
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:30,280
Speaker 1: but not expressly to the Colombian government. So the tattoo

2615
02:00:30,280 --> 02:00:31,480
Speaker 1: guy was like, well, don't we just use the letter

2616
02:00:31,600 --> 02:00:33,480
Speaker 1: V with this pre Columbian imagery and I was like,

2617
02:00:34,120 --> 02:00:34,560
Speaker 1: let's do it.

2618
02:00:34,720 --> 02:00:36,720
Speaker 3: So there, you be honest, Luke, have you ever worn

2619
02:00:36,760 --> 02:00:38,120
Speaker 3: this shirt outside of this photo?

2620
02:00:38,360 --> 02:00:38,560
Speaker 1: Never?

2621
02:00:39,960 --> 02:00:42,440
Speaker 3: I came across that photo. I was like I've never

2622
02:00:42,560 --> 02:00:43,640
Speaker 3: seen him in this shirt.

2623
02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:45,640
Speaker 1: Nor would I ever. I would give that to a

2624
02:00:45,680 --> 02:00:46,320
Speaker 1: homeless person.

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02:00:46,560 --> 02:00:50,240
Speaker 2: How a gum point to take that would have that shirt.

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02:00:50,320 --> 02:00:52,920
Speaker 3: That's a great shirt. But you know, guys, that was

2627
02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:53,760
Speaker 3: what's my age again?

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02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:54,000
Speaker 7: Yeah?

2629
02:00:54,040 --> 02:00:55,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't mind that one. I didn't get a

2630
02:00:55,560 --> 02:00:57,240
Speaker 1: single one, right, but what are you gonna do?

2631
02:00:57,440 --> 02:00:59,000
Speaker 4: You know we had fun tattoos to show for it.

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02:00:59,240 --> 02:01:02,160
Speaker 4: One more I wanted Oscar to rate real quick is how.

2633
02:01:02,040 --> 02:01:04,480
Speaker 3: About Damien the Donks Morning Combat text.

2634
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:09,720
Speaker 1: Yeah this is not me. Yeah, the knuckles are messed up.

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02:01:10,000 --> 02:01:11,040
Speaker 1: The knuckles are messed up.

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02:01:11,320 --> 02:01:14,480
Speaker 2: I love the h I love the respect. We had

2637
02:01:14,520 --> 02:01:17,080
Speaker 2: a guy, Briy, he got the Mac Life titied on

2638
02:01:17,160 --> 02:01:21,800
Speaker 2: him and then we changed that fucked not because but

2639
02:01:21,880 --> 02:01:24,920
Speaker 2: I remember seeing it being like, because some.

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02:01:25,120 --> 02:01:27,240
Speaker 3: Dead is having Don Davis on your leg, you know,

2641
02:01:27,360 --> 02:01:31,160
Speaker 3: behind Alfie Davis. That's a little weird. But before I

2642
02:01:31,960 --> 02:01:33,840
Speaker 3: before I exit off the screen, I just want to

2643
02:01:33,880 --> 02:01:37,520
Speaker 3: say prop quiz finale today, tournament finale, Aaron bron Setter

2644
02:01:37,680 --> 02:01:40,400
Speaker 3: versus Gaff Pierre, one hundred dollars on the line, and

2645
02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:43,520
Speaker 3: I'm not saying who wins, but like probably doesn't go

2646
02:01:43,600 --> 02:01:45,360
Speaker 3: the way you think it goes. That's all I'm saying.

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02:01:45,480 --> 02:01:46,800
Speaker 3: That's the hint there, that's the hint.

2648
02:01:47,040 --> 02:01:49,600
Speaker 1: All right, uh, Oscar, it has been wonderful to have

2649
02:01:49,720 --> 02:01:51,560
Speaker 1: you here. Thank you for spending your morning with us.

2650
02:01:51,600 --> 02:01:54,000
Speaker 1: How can folks find what you do?

2651
02:01:55,040 --> 02:01:58,600
Speaker 2: Uh? Oscars willis on Instagram or Twitter or the mac

2652
02:01:58,680 --> 02:02:01,200
Speaker 2: life YouTube channel. Will be giving you all the coverage

2653
02:02:01,240 --> 02:02:03,920
Speaker 2: of the next two numbered events this week and the

2654
02:02:03,960 --> 02:02:06,840
Speaker 2: week after. Should be good to be back at work.

2655
02:02:07,080 --> 02:02:08,440
Speaker 1: Are you going to Australia?

2656
02:02:08,880 --> 02:02:10,800
Speaker 2: Yep, so, actually I fly.

2657
02:02:11,240 --> 02:02:11,280
Speaker 3: So.

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02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:15,040
Speaker 2: I fly on Sunday. I fly to London for a

2659
02:02:15,200 --> 02:02:17,840
Speaker 2: day for a funeral, then I fly back here do

2660
02:02:17,960 --> 02:02:20,240
Speaker 2: the Vegas Show, then fly to Sydney and then to

2661
02:02:20,320 --> 02:02:21,640
Speaker 2: New Zealand and then back here.

2662
02:02:22,320 --> 02:02:23,400
Speaker 1: What are you doing in New Zealand.

2663
02:02:23,720 --> 02:02:26,520
Speaker 2: I'm watching Dan Hooker's Big Fat Fans fight and he's gotten.

2664
02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:30,880
Speaker 1: Oh right, all right, very good. If you want to

2665
02:02:30,880 --> 02:02:32,520
Speaker 1: follow the rest of our socials, we'll put them up

2666
02:02:32,520 --> 02:02:34,880
Speaker 1: here on the screen. You can see them there below.

2667
02:02:35,000 --> 02:02:38,400
Speaker 1: We'll get stuff for We're Morning Combat on TikTok, on Instagram,

2668
02:02:38,600 --> 02:02:40,200
Speaker 1: on YouTube, you name it. You can see all of

2669
02:02:40,240 --> 02:02:43,200
Speaker 1: my socials as well as oscars. Don't one more time

2670
02:02:43,800 --> 02:02:47,520
Speaker 1: Morningcombat Dot shop for the merch. The posters we're gonna

2671
02:02:47,520 --> 02:02:49,880
Speaker 1: put for just twenty five dollars and we'll sign them.

2672
02:02:50,280 --> 02:02:52,880
Speaker 1: And of course all of this will only last until

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02:02:52,880 --> 02:02:56,680
Speaker 1: the thirty first, essentially eleven fifty nine pm at night

2674
02:02:57,040 --> 02:03:00,840
Speaker 1: on the East Coast on January thirty first. Great job,

2675
02:03:00,920 --> 02:03:03,720
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. The fights return next week. They

2676
02:03:03,800 --> 02:03:05,840
Speaker 1: are back, and I'm sure we'll have you back on

2677
02:03:05,920 --> 02:03:07,320
Speaker 1: the show. Thank you for joining me, man, I really

2678
02:03:07,320 --> 02:03:10,600
Speaker 1: appreciate it much. There he is, that's Oscar. I'm Luke

2679
02:03:10,800 --> 02:03:12,800
Speaker 1: for Long Island Luke and everybody here on the show.

2680
02:03:12,920 --> 02:03:15,880
Speaker 1: We're done. Enjoy your weekend, see you Monday, and until

2681
02:03:15,960 --> 02:03:18,160
Speaker 1: next time, may all of your gains be loyal.