1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: It's put them in this bund where it feels where 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: we're talking about they have to sweep. Counsel can say 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: you win every series, you feel good about things. Sure, 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: Welcome into north Side Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: I'm Sahad Sharma with Patrick Mooney. We are your Cubs 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: beat writers at the Athletic Patrick, we finally saw a sweep. 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: I was in Pittsburgh. I started that series off by 8 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: asking council whether they need to start sweeping teams, and 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: he's like, sid of, we just need to take it 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: one game at a time. He's like, I'm just focusing 11 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: on today. All right, I got you, I got youa 12 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: but they. 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 2: As that game. 14 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: I mean, that was one of the wildest games because 15 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: I think most people were checked out by inning five. 16 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: The first couple innings. 17 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: We're pretty pretty exciting in the sense that you score 18 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: three runs off Paul skeins and two innings you're like, 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: you're feeling good about your right, the Cubs must have 20 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: been feeling good. 21 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 2: Kyle Hendricks didn't have it. 22 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: The Pirates got to him again, and and that looked, 23 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: that looked ugly at one point, and that that comeback 24 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: one of the more exciting ones I've covered, one of 25 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: the more unexpected turn of events that I've seen in 26 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: you know, over a decade of covering Cubs baseball. 27 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean. 28 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: Fans should be excited the Cubs certainly, where in Christian 29 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: Bethancourt gets gets a lot of love from from everyone, 30 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: and deservedly so. He's he's been insanely good in like 31 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: thirty or so played appearances. I think less than that 32 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 1: maybe for the Cubs. 33 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was a class I was thinking of, you, 34 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 3: you know, a classic beat writer. 35 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 4: It's like getaway day. You've got a flight out after 36 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 4: the game. 37 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 3: Schemes, they've already won two games, but you have to 38 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 3: kind of watch for the sweep because that's obviously what 39 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 3: they needed to do there. And then to have like 40 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 3: a football score put up, you know, Skeens get you know, 41 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 3: getting some runs off schemes. Kyle Hendricks either not pitching 42 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 3: well and that didn't get great defense behind him. Either 43 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 3: you think they'd kind of pack it in or just 44 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 3: you know, this offense has been such a disappointment overall 45 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 3: this year. And then to see them with the big hits, 46 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 3: the two out hits, the sustained rally. 47 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 4: It really was kind of John dropping. 48 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 3: I'm curiously walking into the clubhouse after that game. 49 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 4: What was what was the mood like, what was the vibe? Like? 50 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was all you know, smiles and giggles. 51 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: Every everybody was was quite happy and unsurprised. Unsurprisingly, Counsel. 52 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: Someone joked I saw on Twitter there there was a 53 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: video of Council and they're like, he's smiling. Yes, so Counsel, Yes, 54 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: he was happy. I mean, you don't you don't seen 55 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: many games like that. They were down ten to three 56 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: going into the seventh inning and a guy that they 57 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: picked up off Waivers was the hero. Had seven rbi, 58 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: six of them coming, you know, two each in inning seven, 59 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: eight and nine, including the go ahead two RBI single. 60 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: I mean, that's a fun game. 61 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: And unlike the guys like I'm not sure if anyone's 62 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: heard him speak or or read any of his quotes, 63 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: but he's he's a fun quote. 64 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 2: He's a good. 65 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: Dude, like seemingly a good dude, A great quote there 66 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: about like somebody was chirping at him and telling him 67 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: he stinks. He's like and in his head, he's like 68 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: you can't stink now, and like I have to prove 69 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: him wrong that I don't think. 70 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: This burg is one of those places when it's empty 71 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: you can kind of hear people yell oh yeah Field, 72 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 3: and especially that day looking in the stands, you know, 73 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 3: oh yeah, you can more exaggerate that of fact. 74 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: It's and it's to the point where you know, how 75 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: the press box is there, it's pretty high up, but 76 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: it's all also like right next to fans in a sense, 77 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: and like the windows are always open there and and 78 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: I could hear like things being said, Uh, you can 79 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: like hear conversations. 80 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: It's crazy, that's you know. 81 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: And I understand why fans aren't going to that team's games. 82 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: I'm not that's not a rip of the fans there. 83 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: It's just like when it's empty like that, and it's 84 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: it's just it's crazy how much you can hear. And 85 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: it clearly got to Bethan Court and he was able 86 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: to come through. But I mean, yes, the vibes are 87 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: good right now. And I was looking some things up Patrick. 88 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: I know, look, you play bad teams, you need to 89 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: get good results. Like that's that's how it should be. 90 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: We we've been talking about this stretch of games for 91 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: a while. August is supposed to be easy for them, 92 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: easy quote unquote, but so was it. 93 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 2: Was it June. 94 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: June was supposed to be easy as well. They didn't 95 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: take advantage of it. They're taking advantage of it now. 96 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: They have the second best offense by way to runs 97 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: great at plus in August for the this month. They 98 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,119 Speaker 1: came into this series against the Pirates ready to face 99 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: Mitch Keller, Jared Jones fall skeins, that's a series that 100 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: you look at, I don't care that it's the Pirates 101 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: that's tough. You look at that, you're like, this team 102 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,679 Speaker 1: could they could score like five runs combined or something 103 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: or less, and they scored forty one runs. They knocked 104 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: out that. The starters for the Pirates pitch to combine 105 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: thirteen innings. Right, Keller and Jones went four each. They're 106 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: putting up much better at bats, they look better. 107 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: They're they're able to cover for. 108 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: Esa paratus not looking great at the play. Michael Bush 109 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: is in like a mini slump. He's slightly below average 110 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: for the month. They're able to cover for that because 111 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,239 Speaker 1: others are stepping up and guys like Beth and Court 112 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: guys like Miguel Amaya, Pete Carol Armstrong. He's having one 113 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: of the best months in the game and just as 114 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: terrorizing pitchers when on the like that that game on Monday, 115 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: you could see the pictures the second he got on. 116 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: They were uncomfortable. They didn't they they had to think 117 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: about him, and they had especially with yes Moni Grendal 118 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: behind the plate, they had no chance. They like, he's 119 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: a menuce out there and he messes with pictures. I 120 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: asked him about it, and he was like, I don't 121 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: think of it exactly like that, you know, like. 122 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: Screwing with the picture. 123 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: But it's like, yeah, I do like to know that, 124 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: you know, it does feel good that I, you know, 125 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: can impact the game that way and kind of getting 126 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: their heads. 127 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 3: And PCA is obviously his own man and not going 128 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 3: to make Hobby bias comparisons all the time, but it 129 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 3: PNC Park was where Hobby had that crazy play where 130 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 3: he broke the pirate's brain of like you know that 131 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 3: ball was running towards first ran back and just like, 132 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 3: you know, I'm not doing a good job describing it. 133 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: But if you're listening to this podcast, you've probably seen 134 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 3: it before. And PCA just has that ability to cause 135 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 3: and make the other team put pressure on the other 136 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 3: team and make them uncomfortable. And that is really what 137 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 3: had been missing as a whole for like months at 138 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 3: a time. Right, it just seemed like the opposing pitching 139 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 3: staff just found their lanes. They had their plan of attack, 140 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 3: they could they had a lot of margin for air, 141 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: they didn't have to worry that much about damage. And 142 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 3: now when you see a lineup rolling like this, I 143 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 3: don't know if you can say, like what could have been? 144 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 3: Like where has this been for a while? And I 145 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 3: also don't think you can like overestimate it and like 146 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 3: start anointing guys for next season. I do think it's 147 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 3: part of the evaluations, part of what you had mentioned, Sade, 148 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 3: and you would kind of ask Jed and how Jed 149 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 3: had said, you know, these after the trade deadline, these 150 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 3: final two months will be big, just to like make 151 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: sure this group wasn't like the worst offensive collection in 152 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 3: baseball this side of the White Sox. And you have 153 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 3: seen some signs of life. 154 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 5: Let's talk about procrastination. 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And it's 180 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: not like the Yankees they like a lot of this 181 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: is when do you catch the team? 182 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 5: Right? 183 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Nationals are probably playing better than their record says. 184 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: They just called up their top prospect and Dylan Cruz. 185 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: Uh So, maybe this is a bad time to get 186 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: the Nationals, but it's definitely a good time to get 187 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: the Pirates, who the second you get to their bullpen, 188 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: the offense gets ultra confident, And it could be a 189 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: good time to get the Yankees. They're not playing their best. 190 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: Like April and May was a terrible time to play 191 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: the Yankees. Right now is maybe a good time to 192 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: play the Yankees. We'll see, We'll see what happens this weekend. 193 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: Uh have they like some of these Some of these 194 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: numbers are just kind of insane, like Beth and Court's numbers. 195 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: Look, when when we get like. 196 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: These short views of players, it totally distorts who they are. 197 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: Like you look at his career numbers and you're like, 198 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: how is the guy we're watching have those career numbers? 199 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: Because every single time he comes to the plate, he 200 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: rushes the ball, he hit that ball, that he hit 201 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: through the infield, was hit at one hundred and. 202 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 2: Five to nine one hundred and five point nine. 203 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: Miles per hour, and I think his home run was 204 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: higher than that, like one oh six something. So I 205 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: mean the guy hits the ball hard every single time. 206 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: This this quote, I don't know. I just love this 207 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: quote from from council. It's from Andy Haynes, uh and 208 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: it's so simple. But I think we like we overlook it. 209 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: I know we as as media do this. We we 210 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: get we we we watch two months of baseball and 211 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: make grand conclusions. That's partly our job. We're supposed to 212 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: make conclusions. Fans do it after two games. But this 213 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: is a quote for Andy Haynes that Council said the 214 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: other day, it takes a long time to have a 215 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: good season, and it takes a long time to have 216 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: a bad season. He was talking about Migulmaya, and I 217 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: think it holds true for everyone. 218 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 2: It holds true for every player and all the teams. 219 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 2: Like you cannot. 220 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: We want to judge them off little snippets of the season, 221 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:32,239 Speaker 1: and part of it is fair, I think, but ultimately 222 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: they have another twenty eight games of baseball to show 223 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: us what they can do. 224 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: We talked about this before, you wrote a little bit 225 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 2: about it. 226 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: I have a snippet of it in a piece coming 227 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: up for Friday morning. But Craig Council's teams always play 228 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 1: well down the stretch. He came back in eighteen from 229 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: five games down. He came back I think seven. I 230 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,479 Speaker 1: think it was seven or seven and a half games 231 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: back in eighteen, five games back in nineteen. Last season 232 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: it was like seventeen and eleven, seventeen and nine in 233 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:07,599 Speaker 1: August and September. 234 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 2: They just play well down the stretch. 235 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: Whether that's good enough or not, it is going to 236 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: be determined by how Atlanta and the Mets and other 237 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: teams play. The Cubs don't have that. They screwed up 238 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: to the point where they don't have their destiny in 239 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: their hands, right, They don't control things. But I think 240 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: there's something to Council knows how to get his team, 241 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: build his team up and get them ready to play 242 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: in August and September. 243 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 4: In the first round of Right to Losen. 244 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 245 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, But also they're like, maybe maybe if the Cubs 246 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: start acting like the Cubs and then and get you know, 247 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: more talent, that allows it to be more than just 248 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: this is for the future, right, But that allows it 249 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: to be more than just like, Okay, I can if 250 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: I if I maneuver things right like now you have 251 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: the talent and the actual AMMO to go out there 252 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: and put a full six months together. I think that's 253 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: that will be the difference maker, right, That's what it 254 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: was supposed to be all along, Like he goes from 255 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: Milwaukee to Chicago. There's a reason for that. Now they 256 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: need to leverage that. There's still a month of baseball 257 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: to play. You know, it's easy to be optimistic after 258 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: the games have just played. I don't want to get 259 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: too carried away. It was fun to watch this series 260 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: and to watch yesterday's game, just because you don't get 261 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: to cover games like a ten to three comeback where 262 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: they win fourteen to ten and have a guy like 263 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: Christian Bethencourt have that moment. Was kind of kind of 264 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: nice when you're released from the Marlins and then you 265 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: have that moment and you're feeling good about yourself. It's 266 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: just a nice little moment, if nothing else. 267 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 3: Two Newsy items I wanted to ask you about Wednesday's game. 268 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 3: Kyle Hendricks did not finish the second inning. Obviously the 269 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 3: bullpen had to carry the load that day. What do 270 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 3: you got on Drew Smiley as well as Jorge Lopez. 271 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, Smiley is a Cub. He cleared waivers. He's uh, 272 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: he's he's a Cub for the rest of the season. 273 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: That like so that that can take a life of 274 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: its own when when those reports come out, because a 275 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: lot of guys get put on waivers. Now, it would 276 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: have looked bad in my opinion, if he got claimed, 277 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: it would have looked bad. 278 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 2: For the Cubs. 279 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: It would have that's a dumping money and a team 280 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: that's not out of the race, Uh, losing a guy 281 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: that was impacting their team in a positive manner right 282 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: like he was helping their team. They're still clinging to hope, 283 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: they're fighting for it. That would have looked bad on 284 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: the outside, and I think it. I don't think it 285 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: would have sat well with players in the clubhouse, No way. 286 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: I just can't imagine. Like I know how Nerris was 287 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: well like, but Drew Smiley, man, this guy wanted to 288 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: come back, but when they were stinking, he he he 289 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: loves this place, he loves the coaches. Good guy. Yeah 290 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: that I don't think that would have gone over well. Uh, 291 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: Jorge Lopez, Yeah, something like he's he's got a growing injury. 292 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: H apparently occurred Monday night. You knew something was up 293 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: when he didn't pitch on Wednesday. Uh, it made no 294 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: sense to pitch Porter Hodge thirty six pitches After the game, 295 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: council did say that his bullpen was short. 296 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: Uh. He I asked him. 297 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: I was like, did you consider I was like, you 298 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: went to your high leverage guys, like it got to 299 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: ten to five and you went to your high leverage 300 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: guys that did you have a feeling like you were 301 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: you were in this still and he's like that's all 302 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: I had left. I was like, gotcha okay. Uh, And 303 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: that's part of the reason why he didn't pull like 304 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: you want to, like, yeah, pulling Hendrix earlier. Like if 305 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: you watch that game, you probably had a feeling like 306 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: pretty early on, ooh, Kyle Hendricks is walking guys, he's 307 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: getting hit, Like, I don't know if he has him. 308 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: It's hard to pull a guy earlier than one and 309 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: two thirds. But like when you watch him, it probably 310 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: was like, hmm, do you pull him up? But I 311 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: just I think he was trying to get more innings 312 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: because of the bullpens short So with Lopez obviously, like 313 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,239 Speaker 1: I don't think you can gloss over this like that 314 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: that would be significant, Like it's growing injury. He's been 315 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: utterly dominant, essentially their co closer with Porter Dodge. Right now, 316 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: it seems up in the air like they're going to 317 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: evaluate this. 318 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 2: Day to day whether he's ready to go Friday. 319 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: I don't think that that's happening, but I think they're 320 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: gonna say, like, okay, let's see Saturday. Maybe can they 321 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: push Saturday. I think that depends on how they go 322 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: on Friday. Can they push to Sunday? Again, that depends 323 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: on how things go on Saturday. So like this is 324 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,479 Speaker 1: I think through the weekend we're going to be monitoring this. 325 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: Is he on the al or not? 326 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: Then the question is who steps up? 327 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: Is it Daniel Palentia who hasn't looked great since coming up? 328 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 2: Like he's a mystery, right. 329 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: Like typical, like that prototypical guy that dominates Triple A 330 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: comes up, just doesn't quite have it, just doesn't quite. 331 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 2: Do what needs to be done. I'll give Kegan Thompson 332 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 2: some credit. 333 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: Whenever he's come up, He's he's performed pretty well this season, 334 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: so maybe he's the guy that steps up. Julian Merriweather 335 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: is on the il if fans miss that he was down. 336 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: His velocity was down like two or three ticks on Sunday, 337 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: it's like almost like four and a half ticks from 338 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: last year. His velocity is down Sunday's outing. It's right 339 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: knee tendonitis. Obviously that that's his driving foot, right like 340 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: his back foot pitching and back leg. Uh so, uh yeah, 341 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: that that's going to impact you. It's something that's on 342 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: and off. You would hope that he could help the team, 343 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: could have helped the team after what he did last season, 344 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,719 Speaker 1: but this is this is relievers. There's a reason he 345 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: was available on the waiver wire before last season, and 346 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: there's there's a reason you can't just say, like, well, 347 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: our bullpen's fixed, we got pitcher one, two and three, 348 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: because by the end of the season, pitcher one, two 349 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: and three could you know, be defade or be injured 350 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: or just be ineffective. 351 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 2: That's the reality of bullpens. 352 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: So you better not assume you have anything, which is 353 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: why you know, like, yeah, the Cubs need to continue 354 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: like they they need to continue to fortify this area, right, 355 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,239 Speaker 1: they need to find ways. Council is great at that, 356 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: but they don't have a lot of time to figure 357 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: this out. You really have to hope that this Lopez 358 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: injury is not something is not an actual injury and 359 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: it's just you know, like something minor. 360 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we don't mean to sound like meat heads 361 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 3: when it's like did you just sweep? Like that's just 362 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 3: kind of how the math plays out. 363 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a situation they put themselves in. 364 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 3: Like, but I say that because like one of Council's 365 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 3: things is like, and you brought this to my attention 366 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 3: a while ago, of like sometimes you have to know 367 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 3: how to lose, right, and if you are constantly using 368 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 3: your high leverage guys, and that that's what happens when 369 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 3: you're winning. Joe Madden would always make that point, you know, 370 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 3: like when you get on one of those stretches, you're 371 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 3: gonna lean on your best relievers. 372 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 4: But when guys go down, when you have. 373 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 3: To sweep series, when you're starting, pitching isn't locked in 374 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 3: or maybe you know, the offense has obviously performed well 375 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 3: here recently, but if they go back to those quiet 376 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 3: nights as council has repeatedly said, then all of a 377 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 3: sudden it gets hard. And I will say their playoff 378 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 3: odds are almost the inverse of what it was last 379 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,719 Speaker 3: September when they were just about ninety and now they're 380 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 3: I think the last I saw was almost seven percent. 381 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 3: So like crazy things will happen over this stretch here. Obviously, 382 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 3: the Braves are playing well, and even though they've had injuries, 383 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 3: they were a team that on paper, I think everyone 384 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 3: expected to win ninety plus games and make the playoffs. 385 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 4: So it's I don't get this feeling. I think they're 386 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 4: totally playing out of their minds or above their heads. 387 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 3: And they have closed some ground in terms of passing 388 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 3: some teams, and that's important as well. Obviously, the head 389 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 3: to head tiebreakers do not go in their favor here, 390 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 3: and I do think too watching the Pirates this week, 391 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 3: part of the missed opportunity to me, feels like the 392 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 3: Pirates clearly didn't take that step forward this year, even 393 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 3: with schemes brilliance and with a pitcher like that or 394 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 3: really any picture, it's hard to bank on like six 395 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 3: plus years in terms of that club control window. Right, 396 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 3: So when he's dominating, you got to capitalize. And the 397 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 3: Reds certainly have like interesting players and you know Football 398 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 3: Park where their offense plays up, and they've been a 399 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 3: tough matchup for the Cubs recently, but they have not 400 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 3: taken that step forward that they had sort of planned on. 401 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 3: And the Cardinals they did their patchwork veterans starting pitcher thing, 402 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 3: and it has not been an overwhelming success. And some 403 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 3: of those star players that they are built around have 404 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 3: been either injured or. 405 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 4: Ineffective or some combination of both. 406 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 3: And obviously they took Council away from Milwaukee and the 407 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 3: Brewers traded Corbyn Burns and so like to see them 408 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 3: in this spot. 409 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 4: It is certainly a disappointment. 410 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 3: And like you said, they have, you know a little 411 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 3: over a month to change their fortunes and just keep 412 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 3: playing all the way until the final out of Game 413 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 3: one sixty two. But I think this series in Pittsburgh 414 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 3: encapsulated just kind of a just a weird season overall. 415 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, it's been. It's been an odd one. 416 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 2: It's that, like you. 417 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: You know, you can always go back to different things. 418 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: Last year it was that Washington and Miami series on 419 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: the road. This season, you know, May June, it's gonna 420 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: be just that. I will go back to jameson Tyne 421 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: in Milwaukee kind of saying, like, you know, it started 422 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 1: off as like a bad week, and then it just 423 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: kept getting like can it just kept stacking up and up, 424 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: and like more and more bad series happened, and it's 425 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: like how they went from like this is gonna turn 426 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: to what is happening? And they were just like kind 427 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: of perplexed it, like why aren't we winning more? 428 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 2: We're better than this? And I think now they're showing 429 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 2: that they are better than that. Those two months the 430 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 2: records like they're not a nine below five hundred team, 431 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 2: but that's gonna cost. Like it's put them in this 432 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 2: bund where it feels where we're talking about they have 433 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 2: to sweep council can say you win every series, you 434 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 2: feel good about things. Sure, yeah, but you're you're five 435 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 2: and a half games out of a playoff spot right now. 436 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 2: So it's that they could end up with eighty five 437 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 2: eighty six wins and you could say, like that's about 438 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 2: where everyone projected them, if not better. Yeah, it's still 439 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 2: not the playoffs and that's the goal, you know, get 440 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 2: to the postseason. Well, I'm assuming that doesn't get them 441 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 2: to the playoffs. Maybe maybe weird things happen. Baseball's odd, 442 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 2: you know. 443 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 3: I do think too, like justifiably, for a long time 444 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 3: we talked about the mediocrity of the National League, and 445 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 3: I realized there aren't these like one hundred win powerhouses 446 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 3: like kind of staring at us in the face. 447 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 4: But like. 448 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 3: The Diamondbacks reach of the World Series last year, the 449 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 3: Padres have always been this like interesting experiment. And they 450 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 3: brought in a new manager and they have some star 451 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 3: talent and they were able to like adjust on the fly. 452 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 3: They added a lot obviously from Dylan cees uh to 453 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 3: Riah's the batting champ. 454 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 4: So they've they've pulled away. 455 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 3: And I don't think it's like a total shock that, 456 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 3: like how those teams were built that they could do that. 457 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 4: You know, and we just haven't seen that from the 458 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 4: Cubs yet. 459 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 3: I do think looking at this Nationals team, they remind 460 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 3: me of what Joe Madden liked to say. 461 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 4: Like they look a little like frisky, you know what 462 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 4: I mean. 463 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 3: And they got dj Hurs the ex Cub prospect pitching 464 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 3: this weekend. They've got some really interesting returns from you know, 465 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 3: the Soto deal and some of the other moves they've 466 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 3: they've made here. They're team that has, obviously under Mike 467 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 3: Rizzo taking kind of more of an old school scouting approach, 468 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 3: and they've done it before. I mean, they built it 469 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 3: from almost nothing and turned it into World Series champions. 470 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 3: I do think, like, you know, we can't expect the 471 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 3: Cubs just like walk in there and sweep just they're 472 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 3: under five hundred. 473 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 4: But I think it'd be an interesting. 474 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 3: Test and kind of a way for us to think 475 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 3: about some of the frustrations. You know, I've noticed on 476 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,959 Speaker 3: social media when things weren't going well of people like 477 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 3: and I think we've had some of these questions too, 478 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 3: of like you know, why isn't Council blowing up in 479 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 3: the dugout or in his press conferences? 480 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 4: Like why are these guys so flatline? A lot of 481 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 4: the times in the clubhouse like this is why? 482 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 3: Right, like to give yourself a chance to turn things 483 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 3: around and to not overreact, and you know that obviously 484 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 3: is a good way to go about things in general. 485 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 3: It can just be hard to watch at times when 486 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 3: things aren't going well, and you know, maybe in the 487 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 3: end they'll be proven right here, they've at least given 488 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 3: themselves a chance to play meaningful games in September, which 489 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 3: is not the ultimate goal, as you say, but it's 490 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 3: also not nothing either. 491 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 492 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: I think two of three against the Nationals and you 493 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: feel good about a seven and two road trip. 494 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, seven and two road trip. Uh, that's that's solid. 495 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: And and you talk about the Nationals, they're they're getting 496 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: written about like this up and coming team that could 497 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,479 Speaker 1: make some noise in free agency this this winter. We'll 498 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: we'll see if they actually do that and if they 499 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 1: actually are an up and coming team. Those things are 500 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: so hard to predict it, but uh, yeah, they're they're 501 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: not They're not a pushover right now. 502 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 4: That's that's the credits to Davy Martinez too. 503 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 3: Yeah know him that he really gets his guys to 504 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 3: play and believe. And you know, that was an example 505 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 3: we had used prior to twenty eighteen Nationals would looked 506 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 3: sort of buried there and that was very early in 507 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 3: the season. But that Davy Martinez is very much a 508 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 3: stay in the fight, you know. He he kind of 509 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 3: has some of Joe Madden's principles but also really a 510 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 3: different sort of edge as someone who played in the 511 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 3: majors forever, it seems, and and really I think communicate 512 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 3: with players and has a lot of credit credibility day 513 00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 3: to day on the ground. 514 00:27:59,720 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 2: Yep. 515 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: Absolutely won't be easy to beat them. And I'm interested 516 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,959 Speaker 1: to see how Dylan Cruz does. He think he had 517 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: his first homer Wednesday against the Yankees. So just you 518 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: know that young players can always mess up a series 519 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: you call up, you have random young players come up. 520 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 2: And he's not a random young player. 521 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: He's a top three prospect in the game, so you 522 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,479 Speaker 1: never know what will happen. This will not be an 523 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: easy series in my eyes. I said that about the 524 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: Pirate series though too, with Keller and Jones and Sken's going. 525 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens. The Cubs need to keep winning, 526 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: winning series and sprinkling in some sweeps. Is it's kind 527 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: of a must going forward. We'll see if they keep 528 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: it rolling. We'll be back at you later this week 529 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: with one more podcast and then the home stand next 530 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: week as well. 531 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 2: This is Northside Territory. 532 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: Make sure to subscribe, rate and review, subscribe to the 533 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: YouTube channel for us please and subscribe to The Athletic 534 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: where you can read Patrick and I work all season 535 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: long and into the off season of Cubs. 536 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: Thanks everyone for listening. Appreciate you. Take care