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Speaker 2: Look at this now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion.

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Speaker 1: That's the spirit we bring.

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Speaker 2: To this show.

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Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell. This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 1: If you're washed in you know it, clap your hands.

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Speaker 1: If you're washed and you know it, you're Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I'm washed too. Hi. It's two washed losers.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Morning Combat everyone, this sixth of March twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: My name is Luke Thomas. I'm early one half of

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Speaker 1: your hosting DULO. I join you from the capital of

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Speaker 1: Status of Nedos right here in Washington, DC, joined by

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Speaker 1: the King of Connecticut himself. He's my friend and yours.

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Speaker 1: He calls himself many names. You can pick anyone you want.

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Speaker 1: I like Brian Campbell. Hi, Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Luke. Combat Sports Greatest Tag Team is back again.

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Speaker 1: Luke.

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Speaker 2: Okay, party on, Party people, b C in the house,

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Speaker 2: Jump jump for joy, all that good shit nineties lyrics

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Speaker 2: and references. Hey, it's a new day, Luke, and you

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Speaker 2: know it's the hangover of UFC two eighty five, which

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Speaker 2: means this is going to be a spectacular freaking show.

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Speaker 2: But you know, despite the urging of my audience and

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Speaker 2: our staff to avoid this piece of clothing, I decided

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Speaker 2: to bring back the unit he had today, the one love. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Let's let's get together and

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Speaker 2: feel all right today during MK. Hey, you ever see

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Speaker 1: He he loves marijuana. That's so I understand this, gentleman.

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Speaker 1: As you you see what time did you get home yesterday?

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Speaker 2: I got home at about one o'clock in the afternoon,

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Speaker 1: A little bit after me, but I had to take

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Speaker 1: a train obviously. We see. How do people travel anywhere?

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Speaker 1: Don't worry, I was fine, But how do people travel

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Speaker 1: anywhere without noise canceling headphones? Don't get that, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's safe to wear noise canceling headphones. Luke,

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Speaker 2: I've I've seen. I've crossed paths with you in our

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Which.

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Speaker 1: That's the that's the idea, that's exactly.

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Speaker 2: But you can I don't know. I grew up needing

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know we got talking about street smarts.

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Speaker 1: You didn't grow up in a major city.

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Speaker 2: They don't know this life. What are they worried about

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Speaker 1: My wife still does this bit where you know, homeless

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Speaker 2: absolute buffoon? Luke has linked for the the rest of

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Speaker 2: an MK fan, you know, enter for Luke, hate BC.

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Speaker 2: Realize he's smarter than he looks. Oh he's kind of

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Speaker 1: They come in, they come in loving me and hating you.

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Speaker 2: Well, then they hate themselves and then me and then yeah,

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Speaker 2: They're great Luke people. You know how many people are

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Speaker 2: sending me cat pictures now after Reggie Jackson made a

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Speaker 1: Okay, that is that is in your life. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's let's let's get this movie here. Showtime dot Com,

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Speaker 1: of course, is the label that pays. Showtime dot Com

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Speaker 1: because Uspin Numberga Medoff fights on Showtime in Bellator on Friday.

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Speaker 1: that Lightweight Grand Prix. Gonna be a good time, folks,

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Speaker 1: we also have merch BC is wearing some you see

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Speaker 1: Morningcombat dot Store BC for that and many other goodies.

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Speaker 2: Please please fill your house with this absolute bullshit I

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about it all right, main event, you had

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Speaker 1: People do you know? The funny part about it was

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Speaker 2: he almost did it, Luke, he almost did that shit.

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Speaker 2: Yanni the Greek. Luke. Did you see that that Tupac

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Speaker 1: Yeah, although apparently some people say the money was fake,

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Speaker 1: Yea, all that he was out there hanging out with

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Speaker 1: TV twelve. All right, BC lastly had to pick a

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Speaker 1: fight to end in KO or sub. Now, BC Mikey says,

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Speaker 1: in fairness, that's a two parter. You have to pick

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Speaker 1: And the Do I think he fought better competition every time?

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Speaker 2: is you know, almost flawless in terms of the individual,

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Speaker 2: the competitor, the representation, all of that. He doesn't have

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Speaker 2: the same drug issues that John had, although he did

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Speaker 2: grease one time. Okay, well, I remember that but dude,

433
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Speaker 2: the big thing for me and the John versus GSP debate,

434
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Speaker 2: it comes down to two things to me, And when

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Speaker 2: you're comparing goats, when you're comparing greatness, you've got to

436
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Speaker 2: be fine. You gotta find toothcomb that shit. You gotta

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Speaker 2: split hairs. Right, John never lost, that's one. And I

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Speaker 2: think his strength the schedule is better. So if you're

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Speaker 2: going to go on that strength to schedule argument, would

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Speaker 2: that make GSP your goat?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Because I don't see that argument.

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Speaker 1: Luke, I don't. I think in general GSP fought better guys,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think he always fought better guys, for

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Speaker 1: surowing to be clear about that, I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: always true. Okay, who are the.

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Speaker 2: Better guys comparatively? Like, actually compare this. I'm interested, Luke,

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Speaker 2: you got.

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Speaker 1: Interest, so GSP. So okay, it's kind of funny, right,

450
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Speaker 1: Everyone's like, well, GSP fought better guys, it's true. I mean,

451
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Speaker 1: here's a couple of ways you can kind of know that,

452
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Speaker 1: right with the average age. I looked this up and

453
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Speaker 1: I made sure I did the math before today's show.

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Speaker 1: So the average age of John's opponents in title fights

455
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Speaker 1: obviously we're talking to all UFC here is thirty two.

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Speaker 1: The average age of GSP's opponents in title fights is

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Speaker 1: twenty nine. But that's a little bit deceiving, right.

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Speaker 2: Difference, that's the deceiving part, Luke, Okay.

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Speaker 1: More more than that, It's more than that. Who is

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Speaker 1: the first twenty year old that GSP fought in title fights?

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Speaker 1: Do you know the first twenty year old? Yes? In

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Speaker 1: other words, who was in their twenties when they fought

463
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Speaker 1: GSP for a title? Who was the first one? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna surprise you. It's Condit. It's not until

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Speaker 1: he fights Carlos Condit way later in his career. And

466
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Speaker 1: then Nick Diaz was another one. Obviously Condit obviously rocked

467
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Speaker 1: him in that fight where you're talking about two fighters

468
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Speaker 1: who have major stylistic disadvantages to GSP, right, and very

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Speaker 1: much not well rounded in terms of the wrestling game,

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Speaker 1: especially Nick Diaz. I mean, he just got controlled for

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Speaker 1: all five rounds. He had nothing for GSP in that fight.

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Speaker 1: So like this idea that like even though he was

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Speaker 1: a twenty year old, and yes, Nick das a twenty

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Speaker 1: nine was certainly a lot more dangerous than he is today.

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Speaker 1: But the stylistic disadvantage made that a walk in the

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Speaker 1: park for GSP. I want to just be very clear

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Speaker 1: about that. Wasn't like he fought some like super well

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Speaker 1: rounded guy. John Fitch was thirty when he fought him,

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Speaker 1: Jucko Alvis was pretty young. That's a really great win

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Speaker 1: for him. But BC, I'm gonna make this very simple.

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Speaker 1: This to me is not that hard to argue. Really,

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Speaker 1: I can under he's done a good job.

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Speaker 2: Yet I'm being ro honest. I don't think you've done

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Speaker 2: a good job convincing me.

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Speaker 1: Yet I'll convince you. I believe that. Like I mean, listen, dude,

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Speaker 1: Gon's Gon's dude, Gon had an all time horrible performance

487
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Speaker 1: on Saturday for UFC title fights, and I want you

488
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Speaker 1: just you can turn off the sound for just a second.

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Speaker 1: I want you to watch what happens when John just

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Speaker 1: locks up with him, and how he like almost with

491
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Speaker 1: literally every step, shreds his defense. This is what happens

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Speaker 1: when the gap in skill is extraordinary. And of course

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Speaker 1: John is very good, but Gon had a level of

494
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Speaker 1: defense that is unforgivably bad for this level. You should

495
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Speaker 1: not be that bad in a UFC title fight. Not

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Speaker 1: good enough, making a series of very elementary choices, not

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Speaker 1: well trained for this contest in that department at all,

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Speaker 1: and that's why that win went as quickly as it did.

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Speaker 1: Saint Pierre didn't fight a lot of guys like that,

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Speaker 1: just to be very clear, he did not. They were

501
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Speaker 1: much tougher, much more well rounded relative to that. But

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Speaker 1: the argument to me, BC falls apart for Saint Pierre

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Speaker 1: very simply at Matt Sarah right, Because if you want

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Speaker 1: to argue that GSP had better fighters or better tough

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Speaker 1: competition overall, which I do agree with, then state that

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Speaker 1: I know you don't agree with it. But let's posit

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Speaker 1: for a second, waiting.

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Speaker 4: Waiting for you to argue that God said you have

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Speaker 4: to let me get to the argument and and actually

510
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Speaker 4: utter the words before you can respond to it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, the argument is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't show me the birthing pains, Luke, show me

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Speaker 2: the baby. I'm ready, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's not so simple, bec you can't just rush

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Speaker 1: things all the time. The reality is this, Saint Pierre,

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Speaker 1: when he fought Sarah for that title, even before that

517
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Speaker 1: was already in his thirties. He had come off the

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Speaker 1: Chris lidle Win off the Ultimate Fighter, which was a

519
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Speaker 1: terrible win, not that great. That is not one of

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Speaker 1: more that is that is not one of Saint Pierre's

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Speaker 1: more elite competition. I don't think it's fair to say that.

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Speaker 1: And so that guy beat Saint Pierre. And not only

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Speaker 1: that he beat him, he forced Saint Pierre to tap

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Speaker 1: to strikes. In other words, not only does Saint Pierre

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Speaker 1: have a loss on his record in which ways that

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Speaker 1: say that, excuse me, Jones does not. But more importantly,

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Speaker 1: even if you want to argue that GSP fought better guys,

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Speaker 1: the guy who iced him is not one of the

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Speaker 1: more elite guys. And to the extent that John faced

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Speaker 1: only let's say that level of competition, John beat all

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Speaker 1: of them. John never lost to guys of that level.

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Speaker 1: John never had to watch someone else pummel him while

533
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Speaker 1: he tapped the strikes two guys commensarily of that level.

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Speaker 1: The guy that iced Saint Pierre is not one of

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Speaker 1: the more elite welterweights of his era. He just had

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Speaker 1: a really really really great night, and good for him,

537
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Speaker 1: and obviously he's you know, he's decorated in the jiu

538
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Speaker 1: jitsu sense in his American heritage with with Henzel Gracie.

539
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Speaker 1: Like Matt Sarah is a great fighter, Please don't misunderstand me,

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Speaker 1: but it's not one of the more elite guys. And

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Speaker 1: that was the guy that beat Saint Pierre. John never

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Speaker 1: had a day off like that ever, not like that, never,

543
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Speaker 1: not once. And so to me, even if you want

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Speaker 1: to argue that the guys that Saint Pierre in general

545
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Speaker 1: fought were better, he stumbled in ways John never did,

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Speaker 1: and that to me counts significantly against his case for

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Speaker 1: best ever.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what you just did, respectfully was essentially further argue

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Speaker 2: my argument, and I agree with you. Matt Sarah's eleven

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Speaker 2: and seven all time. He's in the Hall of Fame

551
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Speaker 2: on the first ballot, but the UFC Hall of Fame

552
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Speaker 2: standards there's sometimes wonky. He lost twice and was finished

553
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Speaker 2: both times. He did avenge those two losses by finishes,

554
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Speaker 2: which I always bring up Lennox lewis in that comparison.

555
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Speaker 2: So GSP solid as shit. But Luke, respectfully, I don't

556
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Speaker 2: think you've made the argument yet the GSP's resume is

557
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Speaker 2: actually better than John's. The argument you used for that

558
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Speaker 2: was that gon shit the bed, which he did, but

559
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Speaker 2: a lot of people have tried for years to downgrade

560
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Speaker 2: GSPS went over Bisping for similar reasons, not that Michael

561
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Speaker 2: shit the bed in the title fight, but that he

562
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Speaker 2: was older. I thought Anderson Silva had beat him, which

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Speaker 2: means I didn't think he should have gotten the advancement

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Speaker 2: to the title fight, although it was last minute. I

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Speaker 2: understand all of that. This isn't an anti bizz Ping rant,

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Speaker 2: but would I would actually like you to tell me

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Speaker 2: where you think GSP's resume is that much better than John's.

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Speaker 1: I think beating Penn twice is a huge deal. I

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Speaker 1: think beating there's no one really on John's radar quite

570
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Speaker 1: equivalent to Thiago Alvez. You could maybe argue Gustavson, but

571
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Speaker 1: I think Alvos was even younger than him and already

572
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Speaker 1: just a fucking dynamite force. Obviously, this is all pre Usada,

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Speaker 1: so that's a part I think that. So let's go

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Speaker 1: through there before Actually you could well before that you

575
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Speaker 1: have Sean Shuck and everything else to Jason Miller, but

576
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Speaker 1: I'm excluding that. I think I'm trying to find Fitch

577
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Speaker 1: construct twice. Fitch Alvez pre named Hendrix like, we're talking

578
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Speaker 1: waves of guys much tougher, much more well rounded than

579
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Speaker 1: a guy like Cyril Gonning. And I would also argue

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Speaker 1: some of the guys that John got at thirty four

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Speaker 1: to thirty five.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this is what I'm trying to get to

583
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Speaker 2: the court. Look, I'm trying to you know, because you

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Speaker 2: made an interesting comment that we don't have to rush everything,

585
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, dude, I've been trying to tell you

586
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Speaker 2: that at the tail end of every single MK broadcast

587
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: to be fair, but you keep comparing to God. Let's

588
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Speaker 2: put God in bisping the wins that got them the

589
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Speaker 2: second Division championship. Almost off this debate, because the debate

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Speaker 2: you're trying to say is he has a better resume. Dude,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to release the question to you. Is the

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Speaker 2: nut of your argument? What do they call that in writing?

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Speaker 1: What is that?

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Speaker 2: The you know, the the crux? The crux? There you go,

595
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 2: is the crux of your argument that the big names

596
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 2: John beat were more over the hill at the time

597
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Speaker 2: than the big names GSP beat. Because that would be

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Speaker 2: the only way I could begin to understand your argument.

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Speaker 2: I still wouldn't give it to you, but I'm having

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Speaker 2: trouble here.

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Speaker 1: So yes, I mean I regard so I mean it

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Speaker 1: would depend, but I think most of us would regard

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Speaker 1: meeting Cormier twice as probably at least two of John's

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Speaker 1: better wins. But those come at I think thirty eight

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Speaker 1: and thirty.

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Speaker 2: Okay, But dude, Daniel Cormier, like Randy Catur, didn't come

607
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 2: to this sport until his thirties after a long amateur career,

608
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Speaker 2: and you could argue the thirty eight and thirty nine

609
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 2: year old version of DC was the best version ever.

610
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Speaker 2: So I don't like that angle.

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Speaker 1: Luke, Well, you cannot like it. But that's hard to

612
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Speaker 1: argue that fighting guys who are third is tougher in

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Speaker 1: general than fighting elite guys that are twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: It depends on the situation, dude, I agree.

615
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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 2: He's a top ten fighter all time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, dude, I agree with that. I agree

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Speaker 1: that I'm not making the argument that GSP's resume is

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Speaker 1: in terms of the guys he beat, wildly different than

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Speaker 1: the one that John. Some people are making that I'm

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Speaker 1: not making that. I do think there is a difference

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Speaker 1: of quality of his wins overall. I do agree with that,

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Speaker 1: But I but with you. That's a good point to make. Also,

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Speaker 1: I want to point out so the ages he had

625
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Speaker 1: two back to back twenty year old fighters DSP twenty

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Speaker 1: five and twenty seven. That was the Condit and back

627
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Speaker 1: to back. Oh no, excuse me, that was I think

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Speaker 1: that was Condit and DS back to back twenty five

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Speaker 1: to twenty seven. Right, But he got Reshot at thirty two. Well,

630
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Speaker 1: Rashot only had one loss on his record and had

631
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Speaker 1: just dummied Phil Davis to get the title shot on Fox.

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Speaker 1: He was hot, he was seventeen and one thirty two

633
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Speaker 1: years of age going into that. Dude, That to me

634
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Speaker 1: is tougher than beating a twenty five year old Carlos Condit.

635
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Speaker 1: That's much tougher in my view. And John did that,

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Speaker 1: and John did that, so I agree with I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying there's a monster gap. That's not my argument. I'm

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Speaker 1: even positing. Let's say that there is the fact that

639
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Speaker 1: GSP got iced by the lesser version of his competition,

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Speaker 1: to me, changes the debate substantially.

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Speaker 2: I think the only debate you could really lean on

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Speaker 2: at this point, now that John has the title in

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Speaker 2: a second weight class is if you're going to go

644
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Speaker 2: the drug route, which I think is a very cloudy

645
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 2: debate to begin with, because even though John is trying

646
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: to say now that the recent peicogram update with USADA

647
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: clears him of ever being a steroid cheat, dude, he

648
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: got caught ahead of UFC two hundred with two drugs

649
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: that had nothing to do with the pulsing drugs that

650
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,959
Speaker 2: happened afterwards. So I mean, I think that's out the window.

651
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: I don't.

652
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: I guess, you know, Look, I love gsp In. You know,

653
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: what else could he have done? You know what I'm saying,

654
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: Like the two losses, he avenged them by stoppage. What

655
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: else could he have done? But to me, there's got

656
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: to be a separation between the He's the second greatest

657
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: fighter of all time, whether it matters or not in

658
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: terms of my discussion, John's that dude. But Luke, you

659
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: do understand that because Gon shit the bed, which look,

660
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: he shited the bed. I'm sorry because Gon shited the bed,

661
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: and he did because of John Jones. People want to

662
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: downgrade what this moment, which we've been waiting for ten

663
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: years to happen, John finally moving up and challenging himself

664
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: on a new level. They want to downgrade that. Even

665
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: though I was upset that Gon shited the bed because

666
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: I picked him and I wanted to learn more in

667
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: the fight, I don't think that can be part of

668
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: the argument. I really don't, especially since GSP beat BISP pigs.

669
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: I think you I understand your point. I do agree

670
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: John made him look bad. I mean, there's no I

671
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: don't take that back at all. I think that's true.

672
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: But dude, opponents at this level should be better. They

673
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: should be more developed than Gon was. Like, yeah, it's

674
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: a conversation we should have. Like emme like remember when Cyril,

675
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: excuse me, what am I saying? Remember when Francis got

676
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: real beat up by Stepe in their first fight, and

677
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: then Francis left that team. I'm not one of these

678
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: guys that advocates leaving teams because those situations can only

679
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: really be understood by the fighters and the coaches themselves.

680
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: But I have seen now a couple of guys, Francis first,

681
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: now Cyril. You can argue some other ones, but certainly

682
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: just those two in title fights woefully unprepared. Like you

683
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: could say what you want about Francis, he walked into

684
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: that Stepe fight unprepared. His development was not where it

685
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: was supposed to be. He didn't have educated responses to

686
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: what he was supposed to do. Look at Jeff Neil

687
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: versus Shafcot, educated responses both ways, which is why I

688
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: was competitive and it lasted as long as it did.

689
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: Here you have a guy in God just doesn't know

690
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: what to do in these situations and got overwhelmed almost instantly.

691
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: Guys should not be fighting for titles when there, when

692
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: their skills are at that level, they just shouldn't be.

693
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: Well, Luke, I agree with that completely, and if we

694
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: I don't think Gon deserves a complete referendum on was

695
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: he ever good? But it is damning that in his

696
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: two biggest fights, Francis and now John, to certain levels,

697
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: he did crap the bet all though. You know, even

698
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: Dana says, if God hadn't going for that heel hook

699
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: against Francis, we might not even talking about this. Gon's

700
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: biggest win was against somebody who shit the bed in

701
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: their hometown, right in front of him and Derek Lewis.

702
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm not here to say he never

703
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: was Cyril Gon when he's able to keep the fight

704
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: on his terms is you know, one of the best

705
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: heavyweights of this era, without question. But look, John's number

706
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: one with a bullet, and we can't overlook the three

707
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 2: years to come back to rebuild his body to do

708
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: it that easily. Now, I still want to find out

709
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: a lot of the answers to things about what his

710
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: body looks like over five rounds and hopefully he'll hang

711
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: around long enough to show us that. But to me,

712
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: John is number one with a bullet. Luke, I love

713
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: me some GSP but I even went to the next

714
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: level and it took some time and updated whether people

715
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 2: care or not, not just my upper room list, but

716
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: my top ten list go all time in MMA history. Luke,

717
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: are you ready to look at this and please tear

718
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: it apart if it needs to? Luke, I'm ready to

719
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: show you it, Okay.

720
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: I think this is a valuable exercise because I've never

721
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: made one of my like this. I've always kind of

722
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: just sort of had a vague idea of things in

723
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: the back of my head.

724
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: I'm curious before we show it. The reason why I

725
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: want to do it is because I understand a lot

726
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: of people will get on me and go You know,

727
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: you always talk about your top five upper room. You

728
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: don't have jose Aldo there, so where is he? And

729
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: you know, what about this guy? What about this guy?

730
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: And you know spoiler alert, Pj's not even in my

731
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: top ten, which I get for some people is like

732
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,479
Speaker 2: outright sacrilegious. So there's a lot of things to consider,

733
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: including the evolution of the sport, including accomplishments, including strength

734
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: to schedule everything, Luke, But I took the time and

735
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: I did that. There's only only ten people can be

736
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: in the top ten, right, even if twenty five have

737
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: have a resume that would allow it. Here's BC's top

738
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: ten goat list.

739
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, baby, all right, walk us through number one.

740
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: John Jones, number two GSP, and I really think what's

741
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: the worst GSP could be on your list?

742
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: Three?

743
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: Right? Well, my number three is Anderson's at worst, Anderson

744
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: Silva that that wind streak mixed with you got to

745
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: also account the ability of just being a supernatural video

746
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: game fighter who took, you know, the attention of the

747
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: entire sport when he was on top number four fad Or,

748
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: and I really don't want people to start, you know,

749
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: as the years go on, try to push Fador out

750
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: over some idea of because he never fought in the UFC,

751
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 2: because it's just not regular, it's just not warranted. Number

752
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 2: five Luke is a potential hot button one because where

753
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: do you put him? Twenty nine and Ozer Hubib normalga Metov.

754
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: My number six is Demitrius Johnson, who's still going at

755
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: a very high level but still owns that UFC record

756
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: for the most title defense or I guess he's tied

757
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: with john in total but most consecutive title defenses and

758
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: really was the perfect complete fighter. Amanda Nunis number seven, Luke.

759
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: I feel like she has to be in the top ten.

760
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: The accomplishments speak for themselves, the resume, going after every

761
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: opponent she possibly could, and then even had her GSP

762
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: Serah moment in Avenge the lost to Pina. Number eight

763
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 2: the King of Rio Jose Aldo. Number nine Daniel Cormier,

764
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: a guy who I've had as high as like four

765
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 2: or five after he knocked out Steepe. But I feel

766
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: like this is probably the best spot for him because look,

767
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: if there's one thing against Sdaniel Cormier, yeah, I did

768
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: win titles in two divisions. Yeah, he's one of my

769
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 2: favorite fighters of all time. But he did lose more

770
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: than he won in his biggest fights, right twice to

771
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 2: John Jones, twice, to Steepe. I think you got a

772
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: factor that in even though obviously wins over gust of

773
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: sin Rumble twice and the Strikeforce tournament speak for themselves.

774
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 2: And how about number.

775
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: Ten, Luke?

776
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: Could I have put bj Could I have put a

777
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: lot of people? I'm putting Alexander Volkanowski. I've come around

778
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: review it, Luke, what do you think?

779
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: All right? So this is my I've not seen this list.

780
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: I purposely didn't look at it till just now. So obviously,

781
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, things that could get moved around. Any one

782
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: in those top three could be shuffled around, and like

783
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: you know that, like I'm more or less than John

784
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: as well. I think it's you've got the right one, two, three,

785
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: But recognizing there's going to be a diversity of opinion

786
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: on that one, I gotta tell you, a Fador above

787
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: Demetrius for me is a problem.

788
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I mean I went back and watched all

789
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 2: the Pride fights in succession, Luke. You know, and Big

790
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: the dude he handled Big Nog. Okay, Big Nog was

791
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 2: the dude back.

792
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: Then yeah, I don't know where to I have never

793
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 1: really fully considered where to put Habib, so I don't

794
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 1: have much to say there. Again, I think Demetri should

795
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: be inside your top five. I gotta tell you, dude.

796
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: Putting Amanda over Jose is a major no no for me.

797
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 2: Really, I saw it. I was there, move knocked, I

798
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: was there.

799
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: I think Jose is not just more talented, I think

800
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: he also fought far tougher opposition.

801
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: I mean, it's obviously hard to compare strength of schedule

802
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: male versus female, because in general, the female game is

803
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: just not as deep. But Amanda was on top of

804
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: the bantamweight division when it was historically deep, and when

805
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: she had an opportunity against Misha, Holly Ronda, she viciously

806
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: finished them all. She has two wins over Valentina, who

807
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: turns out to be her toughest competitor. She beat a

808
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 2: handful of other names we care about in including Jermaine

809
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: Durandamy former champion twice, and oh by the way, won

810
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 2: a title in a second division by beating Chris Cyborg,

811
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 2: who was then the goat and some people think still

812
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: is Luke. If we're not going to put her in

813
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 2: the top ten, even with the hard to do male

814
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: versus female divide In terms of a debate, what the

815
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: hell are we doing here?

816
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying she doesn't a place

817
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: in the top ten. I have to think about that more.

818
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: But I'm definitely not putting over over Aldough just it

819
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: would never happen. Okay, the rest of the list, I

820
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: guess I don't have a problem with What about other

821
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: fringe figures like who was hard to leave out of

822
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: this list? For you?

823
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 2: BJ Penn? Without question?

824
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: What about like Oosman and Izzy and guys well, so.

825
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: Let me get to that, so Bjpenn. In terms of

826
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: the historical guys, without question, I do have a soft

827
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: spot for Randy Katura that as the years go on,

828
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: nobody has that same soft spot. And I understand it

829
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: was a different era, but he did span multiple eras

830
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: and one titles and two weight divisions, reinvented himself a

831
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: shit amount of time. I think the biggest problem right

832
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: now is that we have a bunch of active fighters

833
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 2: who are really close or already there, and it's hard

834
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: to really figure out while they're still active where that is.

835
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: I mentioned when Daniel Cormier knocked out Stepe, I was like, dude,

836
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: he's I think a top five fighter all time now,

837
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: even though he never beat John Jones, and sometimes losses

838
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: at the end can move people, whether that's fair or not.

839
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, Kamaro Usman deserves top ten consideration. To me,

840
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: Israe a lot of sonia to some level. I mean,

841
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: I'd love if he goes back and wins back his title.

842
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 2: That would certainly help. But you know, there's a few

843
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: guys right now, Luke, that I think are getting somewhat close.

844
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 2: And in the same debate that we mentioned with Habib,

845
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: I don't know where to put Hibib. I think you

846
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: can make a hipster argument for number one like we

847
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 2: did for fun in that high court, even though look,

848
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: should he be number one? No, But I don't know

849
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: how high to put him. And I don't know what

850
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 2: to do with Usman, who was just about to tie

851
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: the record for consecutive wins and got stopped. But does

852
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: get a chance to regain his bell here?

853
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, the easy ones, I'm being pretymature. The Usman one

854
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: would be hard because he was right at the precipice

855
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: of being like among these names, but then as you

856
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: pointed out, it just blew up. What do you do?

857
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: I guess we'll see. As you indicated, I think what

858
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: do you.

859
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: Say is the biggest historical one that I'm that. I'm like,

860
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: I'm pissing on bj Pennox. I mean not purposely, but

861
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: only ten can make it. There's gonna be a lot

862
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: of people going, dude, come on, really, two division an.

863
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: Interesting one, but he has too many ups and downs,

864
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: so you can understand leaving him out. Hendo's an interesting one.

865
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put in top ten, but he's kind of

866
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: a fringe character because he was.

867
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: The first Henderson is in this conversation. Check how about that, Luke?

868
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: Because of the Pride, the Pride.

869
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 1: Run, Yeah, the Pride Run. The thing with Dan Henderson

870
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: was he was the first one to hold two belts

871
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: simultaneously when he did it in Pride after knocking out Vanderley. Yeah,

872
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 1: that was a big deal.

873
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: And he has longevity. He has a Straightforce championship for

874
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: whatever you think that's worth. He knocked out Fador. I

875
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: mean he's done a lot, a lot of things, Luke.

876
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's he's up there. He's up there again.

877
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: I've never done one of these lists, so I'd have

878
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: to really go back and consider. I think in general

879
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: you've got most of the right names. I would just

880
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: switch the order a little bit. But that's the fun

881
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: of this. I think, you know, there's really as much consensus.

882
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: But I will say this, it's just funny to me

883
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: that everyone getting back to John Jones, we could turn

884
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: the page after this. It's just it's it's so funny

885
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: how along the way everyone tries to find a reason.

886
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: They do this with a lot of really successful guys

887
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: ladies too, They find reasons over time to tell you

888
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: that they're your greatness. Not that it's imagined, but it's

889
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: really not all it's cracked up to be. Like I remember, like, oh,

890
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 1: John only wins because he fights guys with the same

891
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: well he has, he has greater leverages, greater reach, all

892
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff, and then he fights someone who's

893
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: naturally bigger than him, with just a very modest miner

894
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: reached this advantage and John fucking dummies him. Like where

895
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 1: is that conversation? Now, where's the conversation that John only

896
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: wins because he's taller and ranger than everyone? Like it

897
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: was fucking stupid to begin with when they were saying

898
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: years ago, and it's fucking stupid now. And I would

899
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: just like people to recognize if you want to pick

900
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: Saint Pierre or Silva as your top guy, I understand.

901
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: I didn't say it's Saturday night, but I understand there

902
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: is a debate, but you got to leave the like

903
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: obviously false shit about John, whatever you're feeling about him,

904
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 1: to the wayside. And I just don't. I just people

905
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: are just disappointed God didn't do enough. And then I

906
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: think they're taking that out on John as a way

907
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: to like, you know, protest vote. You can't do it

908
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: that way.

909
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: Mis stipe in the ten to fifteen area or.

910
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: No, not for me, not for me. Now, if the

911
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: conversation is just what they did by division, well it's

912
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: a very very very different conversation then. But all time,

913
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: even though he beat Cormier twice, no, no, because that's

914
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: Cormier second weight class, right, So no.

915
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: Should Chris Cyborg have been considered? Should Valentino you wanna? No?

916
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: No, no, no again, Here's what I think. I think

917
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: we should have separate lists for men and women. And

918
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: I know inevitably people are like, well, how are those

919
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: two going to compare, but those compares are so fraught,

920
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: they're very difficult to do.

921
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 2: That's just because you want Magoomi Fujumi in there, Luke.

922
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 2: That's why I know it is Fuji.

923
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of an e on me in there,

924
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: but yeah, you'd put her on that list. I just

925
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: feel like you can get a better understanding of women's

926
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: greatness not by comparing them to men, but by comparing

927
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: them to each other. And so I just I just

928
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: feel like it's a better way to go.

929
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: Hey, Luke, there's a reason why I wore this hat today.

930
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 5: Okay, one long baby, all right, BC. Let's spend this

931
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 5: Let's spend this forward. BC, let's spind this forward. Here

932
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 5: we go topic number two. I'm going to give you

933
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 5: a true or false statement here. You tell me which

934
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 5: one it is.

935
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: BC. We're talking about women's flyweight. We're talking about, of

936
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: course Grosso upsetting Schifchenko. But now we're spinning it forward

937
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 1: into where it all goes from here. So BC, ready,

938
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: true or false? Aaron Blanchefield deserves the next title shot

939
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: at the women's UFC flyweight belt. Which is it?

940
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 2: This is hard, It's hard. There's a lot going on

941
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 2: atop the standings and Grosso's upset of Shiftchenko flips this

942
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 2: division upside down.

943
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: True. False.

944
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to say false because I know who who

945
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 2: get People are sick of rematches and the need for

946
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 2: Oh a champion's got some level of stature and they lost,

947
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: let's run it back, and they're sick of it, especially

948
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: when that champion dominantly loses. Now, this wasn't a dominant

949
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: loss throughout the three and a half rounds, but the

950
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: way it ended that was dominant. I completely understand. I

951
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 2: do think though, when somebody has been almost historically level,

952
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: you know, dominant or on top and in charge, Yeah,

953
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: you do deserve it. Amanda Newness, in my opinion, deserved

954
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: it against Peenya, she got it. Demitrius Johnson again after

955
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: the second fight was the hudo. I thought he deserved it.

956
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 2: He got traded. I mean, Valentina set the record for

957
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: title defenses by a female and was you know, is

958
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: really on her way to all time greatness here. Overall,

959
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 2: I think who deserves it the most, it is Valentina.

960
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: The bigger question though, is what direction should the promotion go?

961
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: Aaron Blanchfield stock because of how this fight ended, I

962
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 2: think only goes up even higher. But she does have

963
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: people right with or above her in the rankings. I mean,

964
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 2: I could check just to make sure, but you know,

965
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: Manon Ferreau was already ranked higher than her. Let's see

966
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 2: where we're at. Let's let's update the rankings right now,

967
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 2: because sometimes they play chicanery with this Luke. As we

968
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: speak right now at Flyway, Fiireau is number one, Tyler

969
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: Santos number two, who just had a split decision with Valentina,

970
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: and now Aaron number three. If they went the direction

971
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: of Aaron Blanchfield because of the hype and the dominance

972
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 2: against you know, against increasing level of competition, they would

973
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: not be wrong. And Aaron against Alexe Grosso was a

974
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 2: fight we didn't even really consider. It's interesting for the title,

975
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 2: But can I throw you a wild card pitch before

976
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: I get your response of what should happen and what

977
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 2: will happen? Yes, Dana shot this down postfight Saturday. He

978
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 2: says the idea of a trilogy now between Amanda Newness

979
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: and Valentina ship Tenko at bantamweight, it is no longer

980
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: relevant because Valentina lost the title. I completely disagree with that.

981
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: For a couple of reasons. One, it's in a different

982
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: division at bantamweight. Two, the only person outside of Peyna

983
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 2: who the loss was avenged, that ever really gave Valentin,

984
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: that gave Amanda legitimate trouble was Valentina, who you can

985
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: argue ran out of time at UFC one ninety six

986
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 2: because she started too late and almost beat her, and

987
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 2: you can argue in the rematch did beat her when

988
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: they fought for the title. My thing is this flyweight

989
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: is so fun right now that if you are a

990
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 2: little bit fatigued to the idea of champion who lost

991
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: their title getting immediately run back no matter what. And

992
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 2: I agree overall it does. It does fatigue, even though

993
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 2: I think Valentina deserves it. Why not do this now,

994
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 2: because if you don't do this now, Valentina versus Amanda three,

995
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: you may never get another chance. We've had this sort

996
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: of as a lottery ticket just sitting there for a

997
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 2: long time that they could cash in on. There is

998
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 2: nobody at thirty five or forty five and hasn't been

999
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: for a while who's like screaming, we need to see

1000
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: them next. I know people are gonna say ire in

1001
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: a al Donna and I and look, she's she's she's

1002
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 2: deserving of a title shot if we're gonna go whoever's

1003
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: next in line, And with the whole thing about Mexico

1004
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: having three champions and a potential fourth, if you want

1005
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 2: to do that fight in Mexico, I'm not going to

1006
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 2: get in your way. But why not do Valentino Amanda

1007
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: right now? And then if Valentina wins, maybe she maybe

1008
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 2: she stays at that division. You could just to say

1009
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 2: and make the argument of let's give her another a

1010
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: chance to regain her title, and if she loses it,

1011
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: then maybe that's the right time. But Luke, why not

1012
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 2: val Amanda three now? And who do you think is

1013
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: deserving of the next title shot?

1014
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: Why would they do that? Why would they give her?

1015
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you covered it, but I'm just

1016
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: trying to articulate. Why would they give her a title

1017
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: shot after not just losing, Dude, she got finished.

1018
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: It's a different weight class. She was great in that

1019
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: weight class. She arguably beat Amanda in the rematch. I

1020
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: guess I'm alone, and that's fine, Luke, I've never been.

1021
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm afraid to stand on, Tom Bradley, Here's

1022
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: what I say, you and I are like a little

1023
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: bit more in lockstep with like the desire to see

1024
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: that third fight, and so what I think, what I

1025
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: think you're getting at here is like, hey man, that's

1026
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: a great fight. There's never gonna be a great time

1027
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: to do that fight. Why not pull the trigger? Now?

1028
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: It's not the worst argument, but the problem is there's

1029
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: just no momentum for that. There's nothing pulling us in

1030
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: that direction. It just seems like you're gonna have to

1031
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: sort Valentina's place at one twenty five before you can

1032
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 1: do anything else. Whether that's a great thing for making

1033
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: that future fight or not.

1034
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: Okay, because I don't think that fight needs two titles,

1035
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: you know, in the cage to make it a great fight.

1036
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 2: There's already history there.

1037
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: Second fight was boring. Dude, Okay, that's.

1038
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: Fair, all right, So let's let's remove the trilogy BC

1039
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: wildcard idea. When you look at the rankings, I already

1040
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: read the top three to you, who deserves the next Valentina?

1041
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 2: Aaron Manol in France. What are we doing next here

1042
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: at one twenty five.

1043
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I am not interested in a rematch,

1044
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: which isn't to say, which is not to say that

1045
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: there's not a case for it, that other people should

1046
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: feel this way. It's not my point. I'm just telling

1047
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: you as a broadcaster, here's my personal preferences. The thing is,

1048
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: I get that Valentina has been this decorated. I mean really,

1049
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: just like you know she has. She is the standard

1050
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: in this weight class, and there will be new standards

1051
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: over time. But as it goes, this is the this

1052
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: is the benchmark of excellence at women's flyweight. That's just

1053
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: the way that it is. And given her record, they're

1054
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: going to have to give her a rematch. I understand,

1055
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: but BC I frankly don't want to see it. Here's

1056
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: the thing, here's really where it comes down to for me,

1057
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: if they rematch, I probably would pick Chefchenko to win again, right,

1058
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: I mean that's you know, you gotta be careful with that,

1059
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: but probably probably. And it doesn't matter because I think

1060
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: Blanchefield beats her or Grosso. That's the problem for me.

1061
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: The problem for me is, well, the problem for me

1062
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: is you've got someone waiting in the wings who I

1063
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: think is the is ready to be the belt holder,

1064
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 1: but she has to wait because of this new wrinkle

1065
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 1: that yes by every precedent. You have to go back

1066
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: and see if that wrinkle makes sense, and you have

1067
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 1: to go back and figure out what happens between Grosso

1068
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: and Chefchenko. You just have to. But I don't know

1069
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: what the hell you're supposed to do with Blanchfield because

1070
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: she's ready to go march people down if she wants

1071
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: to stay busy. I say, Blanchfield Visusvro, But the UFC

1072
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: is not going to want to do that because it's

1073
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: one contender getting rid of another one.

1074
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 2: Well, look they have they have written the hot Hand before,

1075
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 2: and this would be that now. Sometimes they do that

1076
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: when someone's got a super marketable potential. I don't necessarily

1077
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: see like crossover potential. But she is just twenty three.

1078
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: I don't know twenty three and how many months Luke was.

1079
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: She wouldn't break John Jones's record for younger youngest champion.

1080
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: Correct. No, I think John was like twenty one when

1081
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 1: he beat Shogun like something.

1082
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 2: Oh he was twenty three, but it was like a

1083
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: young twenty three.

1084
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: We can have our I can look it up real quick.

1085
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 2: We can have our producers look it up real quick.

1086
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: No, no, I have it. I have it, Okay, I'd

1087
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 1: love when he beat Showgun. When he beat Showgun, he

1088
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: was Let's see when John Jones was twenty three years

1089
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: eight months.

1090
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 2: Oh, that's an old twenty three I was wrong. So

1091
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: where's air that right now? I know she was born

1092
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 2: when I was like already in college, Luke, I.

1093
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: Can tell you where she was. Obviously, I can tell

1094
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: you where she was in the fight with Onrodge. So

1095
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: when she fought Androge, she was sitting at twenty three

1096
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: years nine months, So she's already passed.

1097
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: She's already passed. Okay. I say that because that's a

1098
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 2: good hook to sell the fight. But to your point,

1099
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 2: do you need a hook?

1100
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: No?

1101
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: Aaron Blanchfield is coming on now, So Luke, okay, do

1102
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 2: you think it's more likely that it's Erin or Valentina?

1103
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 2: Because then I want to I want to I want

1104
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: to book the territory after that. So let's establish what's

1105
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: more likely for the UFC to do right now, the champ,

1106
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: are you know, rematch with the champ with the old champ,

1107
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: or Aaron.

1108
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: Bledgell rematch with the old champ.

1109
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's say it's Valentina, like the one people,

1110
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: the one person you're disrespecting. Here is Tyler Santos in

1111
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 2: this mix? She did just push the champ to a

1112
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 2: split decision? Is this because she didn't pay her coaches? Luke?

1113
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,479
Speaker 2: Are you is this like retroactive penalties you're giving her.

1114
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm not docking her any points for that, but her coaches?

1115
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 2: Might you make a good point that, like, Aaron's done

1116
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 2: so much in a short period. So if you did

1117
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 2: do the Valentina rematch, what do you do next? Blanchfield

1118
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: versus Tyler or Pharah or Manon Farol versus Tyler Santos

1119
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 2: and then Aaron Blanchfield sitting to get next, which might

1120
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 2: not even be fair either. We got a problem here.

1121
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: It's a good problem, but we do have a little

1122
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: bit of a problem in terms of what's next and

1123
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 2: how you're gonna set up the bracket?

1124
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: Agreed, So what do you do with Blanchfield. Let's assume

1125
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: the UFC is gonna do that. They're gonna make the rematch,

1126
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: They're gonna book it immediately, It'll be in three months

1127
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, a quick turnaround or something. What

1128
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: does Blanchfield do? Do you recommend sitting or do you

1129
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: recommend staying active?

1130
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: Does it come down to the overall level of competition,

1131
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 2: because even though she destroyed Androge, and whether or not

1132
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 2: you want to play into what Valentina was saying in

1133
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: my interview of Look, Androge wasn't in great shape. She

1134
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: admitted she only took the fight because the money they are.

1135
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 2: He was like life changing in the moment. Again, I

1136
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: don't like to lean on that because Androg agreed to

1137
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 2: take the fight and she's always dangerous. But if you're

1138
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: gonna find tooth comb Aaron's resume, and it's small because

1139
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 2: she's got five fights and she's twenty three years old.

1140
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 2: In the UFC, she hasn't consistently beaten elite foes. I

1141
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 2: mean she destroyed meat Paull Molly, who was questionable, had

1142
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 2: some big wins but was questionable in terms of her

1143
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: upper bound limits, destroyed a tough out in Miranda Maverick,

1144
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 2: had some moments against J. J. Aldritch good and bad,

1145
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 2: but got the win. Would you say, like, even though

1146
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 2: it was a breakthrough moment against Androge in a main event,

1147
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: and it screams that she's a legitimate title challenger, that

1148
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,439
Speaker 2: to be fair to the other women ranked above her,

1149
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 2: she may have to win one more.

1150
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: Luke, I think here's the move. Ready, you got to

1151
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 1: run the You gotta run it back because Valentino won

1152
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 1: for so long, it would be shitty to not give

1153
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: a a And by the way, same situation, we saw

1154
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: the scorecards. Correct me if I'm wrong. She was up

1155
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: two rounds to one heading into the fourth. Correct in

1156
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: the fourth. She may have won the fourth, So it

1157
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: may have been two two heading into the fifth. Bairmha'm

1158
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: a pretty competitive, but she was up after three. You

1159
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: have to do that, and her winning streak and everything else.

1160
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: You have to give it to her. Okay, I think

1161
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 1: you run back, Blanchefield, Santos, I think you run that back.

1162
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: It's an interesting test. It's an interesting test for Aaron

1163
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: because she's so heavy with the ground. Although we saw

1164
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: her striking against Androge I like that. Santos already had

1165
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: a title shot, menal Fiuro has not. You don't run,

1166
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: you don't ruin that, and then the winner of that

1167
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: gets whoever. It kind of creates a problem with fro though,

1168
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: and what the hell you do with her. There's a

1169
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: lot of problems that there's a lot of bottle next

1170
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: to the top of this fing division.

1171
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 2: I mean Tachi Aasuarez committing to one fifteen doesn't fully

1172
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 2: help this either, but that's that's the what we're deal

1173
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 2: I wanted to bring up one thing because we both

1174
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: mentioned it in the post fight show, the idea that

1175
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 2: we're on a little bit of a trend here in

1176
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 2: big time title fights where the where the big favorite

1177
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: or the one we expect to win gets stopped late

1178
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: after having great success Usman against Edwards, Atasania against Poetan,

1179
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 2: and now this fight. It's weird because what we talked

1180
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 2: about when we praise Valentina coming in was right. She's

1181
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 2: a lifetime martial artist, thirty years, as she says, constantly evolving,

1182
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 2: traveling the world. She went to Tokyo this time to

1183
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 2: constantly evolve. Yet how did she lose? By smart tape

1184
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 2: study by Grosso anticipating that if this moment happens, I

1185
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 2: know what to do to counter it. Similar to Leon

1186
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: Edwards against Usman, So Luke, there's already a million ways

1187
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 2: to lose in UFC, in MMA, A lead MMA we

1188
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 2: already overly praised rightfully, So whenever anyone can do what

1189
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: GSP Silva Jones Newness has done, which is be champion

1190
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 2: on top for a long rain. Demetrius Johnson two. This

1191
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 2: recent trend has to have all the champions look in

1192
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 2: the eye that like, if there's that much tape out

1193
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 2: on you, as you often bring up, which is a

1194
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 2: smart point, dude, you have to evolve your game even

1195
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 2: more than you realize, because this was one moment in

1196
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 2: time that Grosso and her team picked out that they

1197
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 2: can that they could have an advantage on. When Valentina

1198
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 2: does the spiny shit right and she does it non recklessly,

1199
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: she fits it in beautifully, but it became a mistake.

1200
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 2: It became a big moment because Grosso was waiting for it. Dude.

1201
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 2: This sport's already hard enough, Luke, but tape study. Could

1202
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: you know, in waiting for that one moment, A lot

1203
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 2: of times you watch fighters lose because they're waiting for

1204
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 2: that one moment, right, But it can happen, dude, and

1205
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 2: it's happening a lot. Now, what do you say about that?

1206
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: I agree? I mean, once you it's amazing, once you

1207
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: become the champion and there's all that tape on you,

1208
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: and your fights are going longer because obviously if you're

1209
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: the champion, there's going to be some fights at the

1210
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: end in the first round, but the reality is, in general,

1211
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna be fighting the best of that division, you know,

1212
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: through the course of your title defense, and every time

1213
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: they're gonna make that fight a little bit longer, and

1214
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: every time they're going to figure out another wrinkle, and

1215
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: the accumulative weight of those wrinkles and all the things

1216
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: they pick up, that is a very difficult thing to overcome,

1217
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: especially when the contenders continue to stay young, continue to

1218
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: come through the rinks. It's just once you get to

1219
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: that level, it requires masterful strategy, masterful tacticians to be

1220
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: able to pull it off. And it's that's another reason

1221
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: why these guys were at the top, like Silvia at

1222
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: the top of his run gsp Jones. There's so much

1223
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: goddamn tape on them. And so what do you do

1224
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: with the times?

1225
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 2: Do you have to re almost retool your tendencies on

1226
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: a regular basis, you know, switch it up to a

1227
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 2: level where you can't be predicted.

1228
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: There's nothing you can do. I mean, yes, Listen, Chevchenko

1229
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: is doing everything she can. She lives. I'm not gonna

1230
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: say monastically, that's not quite right, but she's a forever student.

1231
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: She's never out of shape, right. No matter when you

1232
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: see her press tour, she's at this event, she's at

1233
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: this five cornering someone just doing pr Every time you

1234
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: see her. She is an excellent physical condition. She hardly

1235
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: ever gets injured. She's been training her whole life. What

1236
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 1: more can she pack into her day? It's the natural

1237
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: order of things. You're gonna get really good, and then

1238
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna get older, and you're gonna hold onto that

1239
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: and you can make these small changes that could have

1240
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: profound effects, but they're just small and in evident. They

1241
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: can't keep you out of there. This is what we

1242
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: mean about the fight game. It will drown you. It

1243
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: will drown you. The best thing you can do is

1244
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: swim while you can, and then get the fuck out

1245
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: of the pool. There's nothing else you can do.

1246
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 2: Don't linger, folks, okay, do not linger. Get the hell

1247
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 2: off before somebody shits out of Candy bar like in

1248
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 2: was that Caddy shak Luke or.

1249
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: Y All right, b s, let's let's move the conversation forward.

1250
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: Point number three. How about this guy huh Team Shavkatt.

1251
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: By the way, they did a nineties counter Caddy Shack

1252
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: is like, what seventies? Eighties? What is case?

1253
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 2: Seventies?

1254
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, seventies. Yeah, all right, let's talk Shoftcott Rockmanov BC.

1255
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: Now we all know he did amazing against Jeff Neil.

1256
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: But by the way, Jeff, I gotta say this too, BC.

1257
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: We didn't say this on Saturday night. I went back

1258
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: and I watched this fight this morning. I took some

1259
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: notes on it. Dude, save Sod's game plan for Shotcout

1260
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: Rockmanov and Jeff Neil's ability to pull that off. I

1261
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: tipped my hat to them, dude. They had a very

1262
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: good game plan. And I'm not gonna say it's miraculous

1263
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: to chefcout one because Shotcout's a beast two. But they

1264
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: had they had for old Schofcott. They they were ready

1265
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: for him. I was very impressed by that. But obviously

1266
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: Shafcott is just a demon who did what he did.

1267
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: So here's what he said afterwards. He said, I thought

1268
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: I needed one or two more fuck that. I'm ready

1269
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: for a title shot BC. Should he get The winner

1270
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: of UFC two eighty six is Leon Edwards versus kamar Usman?

1271
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: Why or why not?

1272
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 3: Uh?

1273
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 2: No, Luke, No, No, why not? Yet but not yet?

1274
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 2: All right, First of all, you could save the dead

1275
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 2: rungs for Friday. Caddy Shock is a nineteen eighty movie.

1276
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 2: Nobody really cares. Here we go, though, Luke, as we

1277
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 2: look at the rankings right now, you got Kamara oos

1278
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 2: my number one. He's getting the rematch Colby at two,

1279
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 2: Hamsat at three in this and you say why not? Well,

1280
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,919
Speaker 2: part of the why not for me, Luke, is which

1281
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 2: direction Tom's not going? Is he going to get the

1282
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: Robert Whittaker Paulo Costa at middlewaight direction? Or is he

1283
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 2: gonna Are they gonna give him a chance one more

1284
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 2: time to cut to welterweight, either you know, in a

1285
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 2: setup fight for a number one contender or a title fight.

1286
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:03,439
Speaker 2: I don't know, the Laal at four, Gilbert Burns at five. Look,

1287
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 2: there's there's an element of not that this would factor in.

1288
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 2: But there is an element to this fight that we

1289
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 2: did talk about late Saturday. The idea that Shafcott, either

1290
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,479
Speaker 2: willingly or because you know, Jeff Neil fought his ass

1291
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: off or whatever like, stood too close in the strike

1292
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 2: zone and took a lot of damage. Now that's not

1293
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 2: necessarily going to you know, should that affect whether it

1294
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 2: gets next. It shouldn't, but Luke, I do need to

1295
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 2: see a little bit more. I mean, as we speak,

1296
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: are these rakings updated at the UFC today or do

1297
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:31,959
Speaker 2: they wait today?

1298
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: I don't think they're updated in the few hours. They're

1299
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: not updated yet.

1300
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 2: All right, Well he was ninth, you know right now

1301
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: on their website. I don't know if that's before after

1302
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: Neil was what seven? So the big yeah, Neil was seven.

1303
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 2: The big part of this, Luke, is I gotta find

1304
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 2: out where Hamzat's going because did you see And I

1305
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 2: get the idea of a snarky Twitter response from people

1306
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 2: like if you tweet out Shafcott's great, you're gonna get

1307
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 2: a bunch of what about this? What about this? Well,

1308
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 2: one of the what about this is is didn't CHAMAIAHV

1309
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 2: just going there against Kevin Holland and absolutely destroy him?

1310
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 2: And then Shafcott goes in here and gets in a

1311
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 2: war And yeah, at the end of the day, he

1312
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 2: looks vicious and violent in finishing it. But did he

1313
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: have to get in that war? And that's not a

1314
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 2: perfect argument either, because didn't Hamzad just get into a

1315
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 2: war with Gilbert that you ask yourself. Did it have

1316
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 2: to go that way or did he want it to

1317
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 2: go that way? We do have to figure out what's

1318
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 2: going on with Hamza, We do have to figure out

1319
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 2: what's going on with Colby. But I think the UFC

1320
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 2: calls up Colby and they go, it is kind of shit,

1321
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 2: or get off the pot time here. You gotta fight.

1322
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 2: You want a title shot, you want to fight the

1323
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 2: winner of Edward Dusmann. You gotta beat Shavcott to do that,

1324
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 2: or you gotta beat Jamaya to do that. So, Luke,

1325
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 2: I still don't know. Even with the win over number

1326
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 2: seven Jeff Neil dude, I still have questions I need answered, Luke,

1327
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 2: He's great. Was this an aberration? Was this you know?

1328
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: I got approve if you'd like to hear it, I no,

1329
01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: I have a theory. If you'd like to hear, give

1330
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: me the anyway. So, in watching the tape, and this

1331
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: is why commentary and MMA is so hard, because it's

1332
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: very difficult to pick up on exactly what they're doing

1333
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: and what the strategy is when you're watching in real time.

1334
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: It usually takes you a step back or you know,

1335
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: a few rounds anyway before you can be like, oh, Okay, right,

1336
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: this is what's happening, especially between two elite guys like this,

1337
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: where it was, you know, it was back and forth.

1338
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: Man Neil was giving him some problems, make no mistake

1339
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: about it. But what Rochmanov was trying to do was

1340
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: essentially push into Jeff Neil and get him off of

1341
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: his stance, break his base constantly, not just put him

1342
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: on his heels, but I mean literally push into him

1343
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: and then force him to either retreat to the fence,

1344
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: break away. Just not allowing how much time you could

1345
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: put a stopwatch. How much time was Rochmanov denying Neil's

1346
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: ability to stand like this, There's a lot of it.

1347
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: So he would come in and step into range and

1348
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: that's where he got hit. But that pushing into and

1349
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: then disrupting the base, disrupting the stance, the constant resetting,

1350
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: the wrestling, the underhooking against the this was all super

1351
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: intentional as a way to deny a guy who's got

1352
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: big punching, great combination, great speed by the way, great

1353
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: awareness in this fight too. It was a way to

1354
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: deny him that if you just start try and like

1355
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: duke it out with him in front of you, even

1356
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: if you're cutting angles, and by the way, Rockmanov cut

1357
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: a lot of angles in this fight. I'm not gonna

1358
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: say it doesn't matter, but that's not enough. You had

1359
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: to get him off of his stance. He had to

1360
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: find a way to like wrestle and then get back,

1361
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: and then wrestle and then get back. It was this disruption.

1362
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: He was looking for this movement into space, and he

1363
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: led it with knees as you saw, and then obviously

1364
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: finished with the joke.

1365
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 2: All right, Well, here's the deal, Luke, what I get

1366
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 2: what you're saying. I understand that as much as I'm

1367
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 2: able to understand it with the way my brain works.

1368
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: He just accepted a lot of risk and by pushing

1369
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: into a guy like you're if you fight that way,

1370
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: even if you're good, you're gonna get hit. The question

1371
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: is does he have better head movement for other guys.

1372
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that.

1373
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 2: It's not just the way I was raised. It was

1374
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 2: the tap water in the factory time. I mean, there's

1375
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 2: a lot of questions right that people weren't even allowed

1376
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 2: in the Naugatuck River for like thirty years because of

1377
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 2: the chemicals dumped in. But Luke, here's the deal. I

1378
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 2: understand rewarding the hot hand, which is why we just

1379
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 2: had that debate about Aaron Blanchfield. Shavcott is undefeated. He's

1380
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 2: been dominant, but his two best wins, Neil Magne and

1381
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 2: Jeff Neil, are more back end top ten, top fifteen wins.

1382
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 2: Then hey, he just beat a top five guy, right,

1383
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 2: you know, like like if this had been Stephen Thompson,

1384
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 2: who carries an era of veteranship and and former title contender,

1385
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 2: and he'd done that, maybe I'd be more willing. But Luke,

1386
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 2: there is a gentleman named Balal Mohammed whose last four

1387
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 2: wins are Damian Maya wonder Boy, Thompson, Vicente, Luke, and

1388
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 2: Sean Brady, including by stoppage. So no, Shavcott does not

1389
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 2: deserve next. I feel like I want to see him

1390
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 2: against either Colby or blal Or. You could get pretty

1391
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 2: crazy if you are a wild man, Luke, and do

1392
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 2: Shavcott versus Hamzap?

1393
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: Was that not one of my predictions for twenty twenty three?

1394
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I lost audio. Could you speak again, Luke?

1395
01:03:56,200 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: I gotta pay. Yeah, I'm glad. I'm just mumbling over

1396
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: my words. Did I not call that for twenty twenty

1397
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: three is like the thing to watch?

1398
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you did. But what we need to figure out

1399
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 2: what's going on with shav with Hams out, where's he going?

1400
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 2: What's the future plan? The direction?

1401
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: So let me let me add one more wrench to

1402
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: the conversation, or one more detail. Let's assume shot Cut

1403
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: and Hamzatt are not going to cross pass because for

1404
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: whatever reason, Homs is just gonna move one ay five

1405
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: and just keep it there for a while. Maybe there's

1406
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: a future of walterwait, but right now, whatever, let's just

1407
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: say that's in play. Now, how do you match? Make

1408
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: him winner of Masvidal and Burns? Colby?

1409
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 2: Blall? Dude, I mean do you feel like blows ranked fifth?

1410
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 2: I don't. I mean people will say, well, I feel like,

1411
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 2: what else does Ball have to do? His win streak's great, dude, right?

1412
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 2: I mean, we would have loved had that Leon fight

1413
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,479
Speaker 2: played out to see what actually happened, but it didn't,

1414
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 2: and he's got four wins since then. I know I'm

1415
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: I'm sort of serial, you know, I'm sort of perennially

1416
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 2: keeping ballaal out of this conversation. Are you you don't

1417
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 2: like ballaal versus shot. Does that make a lot more

1418
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 2: sense than any of the other fights we're talking about.

1419
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:06,919
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, if your Blall, why would you take

1420
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: that fight unless you had to? That's the problem. Like,

1421
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: what is Blall's incentive for taking a fight against a

1422
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: tough ass guy like that when you're already ranked in

1423
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: front of him and you're kind of knocking at the

1424
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: door of a title shot happen? Incentive?

1425
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 2: They'd have to say, One, you're not getting a title

1426
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 2: shot without beating Chovcod or this guy or this guy too.

1427
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 2: You could give him a lot of money and make

1428
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 2: it a main event or a pay per view Cole Maine,

1429
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

1430
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: Okay, let me just ask one question though, kind of

1431
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: about this conversation, because it does kind of inform your judgment,

1432
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: namely either up or down not did your opinion change

1433
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: about shof cut after two eighty five? But are you

1434
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: more or less of the belief that he could win

1435
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: a weight class title after Saturday.

1436
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna let what happened take over me in fear.

1437
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,479
Speaker 2: I have questions about the reason why he was more

1438
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 2: willing to stand in there than not. Could he have

1439
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 2: made that fight easier. That's my question. Is my question

1440
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 2: that he's still that he's now downgraded from who I

1441
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 2: thought he was as this boogeyman coming in. No, Luke,

1442
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 2: I mean, look at the way he finished him, look

1443
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 2: at some of the success success he had. He's still

1444
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 2: potentially that dude. I just don't think he's done enough,

1445
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 2: even with being unbeaten and having two really good wins

1446
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 2: in a row. You know, in terms of name value,

1447
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 2: I don't think you can have him lap the field.

1448
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 2: I mean, you got to remember the name at some point.

1449
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying. Does blal have the Is

1450
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 2: there any way this makes sense for him? Okay, if

1451
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 2: it doesn't, then he should, you know, hang where he's

1452
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 2: at and try to jump into that title, you know, picture,

1453
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 2: But I don't think Shavkott just gets to lap these dudes.

1454
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 2: And by the way, Mikey mormal Ur producer slides in

1455
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 2: and says, Luke, your prediction was actually that Shavcott would

1456
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 2: move into the top three before the end of the year.

1457
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 2: So you not only did not predict that he would

1458
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 2: fight Hamzah, you are trying to push him into a

1459
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 2: title a shot that you predicted wouldn't even happen this year.

1460
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 2: I mean, what, like, how could you be that hypocrite?

1461
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that's right. I'm pretty sure I

1462
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: did predict that they would fight each other this year,

1463
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: or like Crystal Ball ones like top five and things

1464
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm paying attention to. I'm pretty sure I did. I'm like,

1465
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm like ninety nine percent sure. But we can double

1466
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 1: check that later. B see one more question about Shotcott

1467
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: on this one, we can move along. Namely, this was

1468
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: my thought after Saturday he had been on some like

1469
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: apex cards. He had been you know, obviously he had

1470
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 1: prior to Saturday, sixteen wins, sixteen fights, and you know

1471
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 1: all finishes the whole bit. Now he had seventeen. This

1472
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 1: is the first time to the UFC. Was really like

1473
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: presenting him to the public, and man, he delivered. He

1474
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 1: delivered big time. I feel like this is like he

1475
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: did the most he reasonably could to make himself memorable

1476
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 1: to casual fight fans on purpose based on this opportunity. Agreed.

1477
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 2: If that's the case, I'll say that does mirror what

1478
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 2: Hamzad did against Gilbert, Like he wanted to prove a

1479
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 2: point that I thought he's the absolute bess. Well, Gilbert,

1480
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 2: you're you know you're coming in guns blazing. My guns

1481
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 2: are bigger. Although, look, I'm willing to entertain any truthers

1482
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 2: who believed that was a Gilbert win and they missed it.

1483
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, Luke, I'll say that. But you know

1484
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 2: our producer Mikey Mormal, who I don't know if he's

1485
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 2: got an agenda against you, but this is entertaining. He said,

1486
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 2: he just went back and listened to the prediction episode, and.

1487
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: You listen to the entire predictions episode.

1488
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 2: I think I think this was like pillow talk with

1489
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 2: your wife at some point and you.

1490
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 1: Know, no, no, okay, So it may not be. It

1491
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: may not be. It may not be from this one.

1492
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: We did two of those. We didn't oh you know

1493
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: what we did. We did the mail bag one too.

1494
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: It must have been one of those two, one of

1495
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 1: those two somewhere at the end of last year, because

1496
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: we had a conversation about it. We had a long

1497
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: conversation about it.

1498
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 2: So speaking of a mail bag. We didn't cover this

1499
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 2: in the postfight show, but uh Bo Nickel hit that

1500
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 2: guy in the balls, Luke, I think it did happen.

1501
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 1: He did, He did we're gonna talk about him here

1502
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 1: right now, let's let's get to it, okay, BC, So

1503
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:00,600
Speaker 1: let's talk about bow Nickel here after Saturday, right is

1504
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: obviously on another coming up another win. I do think

1505
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: he looks great, but there are some questions B see. Now,

1506
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: first things first, is the ball kick or I should

1507
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: see the knee to the groin. So the question I

1508
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: have is after a little bit of foul trouble and

1509
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: again not the mount controversy, but he kind of did

1510
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 1: grind it out, like kind of force this attack, is

1511
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: there a reason to slow him down or just keep

1512
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:26,719
Speaker 1: him on the path that he's on and we're overblowing everything.

1513
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: What do you think?

1514
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would keep him on an aggressive path. But

1515
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 2: I would also say this, like, you know, my neighbor

1516
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 2: shout out to Anthony weber Luke, decorated high school wrestling coach.

1517
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 2: He's been telling me about Bo since like twenty seventeen, right,

1518
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 2: you know, he watched it and I ran into him

1519
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 2: walking the dog yesterday. You know, He's like, is he

1520
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 2: really that good man? And I'm like, in terms of

1521
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 2: taking wrestling and turning it into into you know, jiu

1522
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 2: jitsu and submission games, he's like three four steps ahead

1523
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 2: of these guys at this point. But Luke, even though

1524
01:09:56,560 --> 01:10:00,600
Speaker 2: his debut in Icon was a striking knockout and he

1525
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 2: just came out with combinations, Dude, we really don't know,

1526
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 2: even with the Dana White Contender series close ups where

1527
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 2: his striking is at so bo very well could be

1528
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 2: the goods, and he's screaming that he might be. I mean,

1529
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 2: even Craig Jones said it, look with the knee in

1530
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 2: the stomach. But the point I'm trying to make really

1531
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 2: here is that let's let him evolve at a rapid pace,

1532
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 2: but nothing stupid of like him against the Middleway Champ tomorrow,

1533
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 2: him against Hamza tomorrow, like him against anybody. Let's give

1534
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 2: him what he deserves, which is, you know, two to three,

1535
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 2: three to four fights of different styles stepping up each time.

1536
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 2: And for the record, he said he didn't need him

1537
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 2: in the balls and that he hit him in the thigh,

1538
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,640
Speaker 2: and he's you know, said that Pickett and company are

1539
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,640
Speaker 2: just protesting to try to save face. But look, we

1540
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 2: gotta see. We got to see him push to the

1541
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 2: limit in terms of you know, three rounds. We got

1542
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 2: to see what his striking can do We got to

1543
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,720
Speaker 2: see a lot of stuff here. Now if he if

1544
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 2: he runs through three more fights over the next you know,

1545
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 2: nine months and doesn't even get in those situations because

1546
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 2: he's finishing guys, well yeah, at that point, you know,

1547
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 2: he's so spectacular and poised and already has a big

1548
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 2: name that you've got to put him into a huge fight.

1549
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 2: But there's no need right now. I mean, the division

1550
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 2: at the top we got to figure some things out.

1551
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 2: There's no need right now to try to overly rush

1552
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 2: this guy. Do you are you with me or is

1553
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 2: this teity?

1554
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's right. I think that's right.

1555
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 1: There's just not a need. You know, you don't you're

1556
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 1: not desperate, Yeah, I mean yeah, the division at the

1557
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 1: top doesn't have superstars. I mean it's got izz I

1558
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 1: in Whitker, but I mean, like this new crop of superstars,

1559
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't have that. It's middleweight. You know, there's going

1560
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,679
Speaker 1: to be some questions about how great the division is overall,

1561
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 1: But here we got a guy with like I'm not

1562
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 1: going to say limitless potential, but an extraordinary amount of potential,

1563
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 1: and there are things to fine tune with him, right,

1564
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he is very, very good, no doubt about it.

1565
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,640
Speaker 1: But this like relentless attack, it's amazing for guys at

1566
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 1: this level. I don't know how it's going to exactly

1567
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,719
Speaker 1: scale for guys at the top, but I think people

1568
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: are like, give him a ranked guy next. I don't

1569
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 1: agree with that, which isn't to say I don't think

1570
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 1: Bone couldn't beat a ranked guy yet. I think he

1571
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 1: probably could probably even guys better than we think. The

1572
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: question is whether that's the right call. Something we've been

1573
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 1: saying since the Contender series, and every time I see Bow,

1574
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm always like, dude, the guy is amazing. I mean,

1575
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 1: there's just no doubt about it. But we just don't

1576
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: need to fast forward things. I do, though, want to

1577
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,799
Speaker 1: have a conversation about the knee to the balls, because

1578
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: here's what happens. The commentary crew they talked about it,

1579
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 1: but not really so people think, oh, they're covering for

1580
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: Bow in real time, But here's actually what I think

1581
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: really happened. BC. If you watch enough combat sports, you'll

1582
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: see a foul if the referee doesn't acknowledge it and

1583
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 1: they just fight on. You know, the commission is an

1584
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 1: almost all certainty never gonna review it never gonna turn

1585
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 1: it over, even with a formal protest. So I had

1586
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 1: tweeted that it didn't really matter, and people like, how

1587
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: can you say it doesn't matter? Of course it matters.

1588
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I'm not saying it didn't affect Jamie Pickett.

1589
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is the ref didn't see it. They're

1590
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 1: not going to over in all likelihood, they're not going

1591
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 1: to overturn it. It just is what it is. I

1592
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 1: think there's anything nefarious from Bo, but I do think

1593
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 1: the fact that he rushes so much to slow it

1594
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:08,679
Speaker 1: down a little bit. Man, he's gonna torch these fucking guys.

1595
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 2: Dude, I can't wait to find out these answers, because

1596
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 2: you know, just see, he's got he's got a cool name,

1597
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 2: he's got such a decorated background in the poise, the

1598
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 2: understanding of the technique of the game, the willingness to

1599
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 2: be great right now, I mean, it's screaming, but yeah,

1600
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 2: give it time, Give it time. Let's figure out the

1601
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 2: top of the division with at Asania rematching the champion,

1602
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 2: Let's figure out where Robert Whitaker fits into that. Is

1603
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 2: Hamzad entering that title picture, Like, look they've got stuff

1604
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 2: to do there. This guy's got time twenty seven. Look,

1605
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 2: he's in a great spot. Okay, I'm not against putting

1606
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 2: him in high spots on the card each step of

1607
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 2: the journey. That'd be a smart thing to do, right,

1608
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 2: I mean, look if you what if he was in

1609
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 2: a Fight Night main event. No, no, no, no, no, no, no,

1610
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 2: we're not.

1611
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean already his UFC debut basically, and

1612
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 1: he's already on a freaking huge pay per view card. Like, yeah,

1613
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 1: they're they're making a show of it. I think that's

1614
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 1: the right calls. The guy's got, he's gonna be in

1615
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 1: a right spot in a year or two. But I mean,

1616
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, we've had this conversation about Darren till last week.

1617
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm not here to compare the two. Like, there's a

1618
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 1: lot of reasons to be very high on BO that

1619
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with till situation, no overlap. But

1620
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: it just goes to show if you rush development, dude,

1621
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 1: it will cause problems down the line, some worse than others.

1622
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 1: But that's a pretty clear case where they rushed it

1623
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: and it hurt them in the end. All right, BC, Last,

1624
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 1: but not least, let's talk about some of the box

1625
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 1: sao that happened over the weekend. My Lord, dude, this

1626
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: was happening. This was happening at the same time as

1627
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: the UFC fight. So I know a lot of folks

1628
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 1: didn't see it, but Brandon Figureoua got the unanimous decision

1629
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: nod over Mark Maxio. Although BC I would argue the

1630
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 1: scores way all over the place. In fact, here is

1631
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 1: my question, was in fact in your mind the fight

1632
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,679
Speaker 1: closer than the scorecards indicated, although it, let's be clear,

1633
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: it was a banger from beginning to end.

1634
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I don't. I don't. I was going

1635
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 2: to look up, Luke, what is this fight replaying? Is it?

1636
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 2: Is it tonight at tenpim?

1637
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 1: I think tonight. I don't have my notes. I'm gonn

1638
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: make something.

1639
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 2: Believe I'll look that up. Look, this was such a

1640
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:05,600
Speaker 2: fun fight. We knew it had the potential to be.

1641
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 2: And even though Figureolla box from the outside in the

1642
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:09,640
Speaker 2: first round, and by the way I liked it, he

1643
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 2: was landing those long right hands, those right crosses. It

1644
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,719
Speaker 2: became a phone booth fight, which we expected basically from

1645
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 2: like round two and a half through twelve. That last

1646
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 2: round incredible, But those those those score cards were way

1647
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 2: too wide. Those score cards, even with the two point

1648
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 2: deductions for mag Sayo, both for holding and both, he

1649
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 2: had been plenty warned and really deserved it. To be fair,

1650
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 2: this was a very close and good fight. But shut

1651
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 2: out to Thomas Taylor. He knows where the gym is, Luke.

1652
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 2: I'm not going to talk about his hair. I mean,

1653
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 2: you think those you think it's a piece. It's like,

1654
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 2: how dare you?

1655
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 1: Dude?

1656
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 2: Okay, he's a handsome gentleman. Give that guy some respect.

1657
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 2: But did did Figueroa win ten rounds? Nine rounds and

1658
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 2: nine rounds out of the twelve, which the three scorecards

1659
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 2: are essentially telling you no. Steve Farhood had it much closer,

1660
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 2: although Steve did recognize throughout the night the Hall of

1661
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 2: Famer that some of these rounds are so damn close

1662
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 2: it could go either way. I understand how you could

1663
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 2: get here, because Figaroa was more more often pushing the

1664
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 2: pace of the fight, backing Megsio up. You know, his

1665
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 2: volume was higher, even though the punch stats in terms

1666
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 2: of landed punches was very close. It's not a robbery,

1667
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 2: it's not a you know, look the right guy won

1668
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 2: in the end, and those two point deductions from Macsio

1669
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 2: heard him and he I thought he deserved them. But

1670
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 2: you could make a strong case for four even five rounds,

1671
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, maybe even up to a draw,

1672
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 2: you know, and then those two point deductions would have

1673
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 2: pulled them back. It was that good of a fight, It

1674
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 2: was that competitive. But I am happy at the end

1675
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 2: of the day that the right guy won. Luke. We

1676
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 2: debated when Figaroa would essentially just go back into that

1677
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 2: style of giving away his reach, almost squaring up and

1678
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 2: just going dude, he went to that early. But I

1679
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 2: really think if he works more on fighting from distance,

1680
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 2: not in a pure boxing sense, doesn't have to be jab,

1681
01:16:57,920 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 2: get out of the way, jab, get out of the way.

1682
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 2: But he's so long even for this new weight class

1683
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 2: in terms of his reach, that if he starts trying

1684
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 2: to control distance better but still close enough to land

1685
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 2: those big left and right crosses when he switches stances, dude,

1686
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 2: I think he's only going to continue to get better.

1687
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 2: At age twenty six, this was a very good win,

1688
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 2: even if he went to the trenches early to make

1689
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 2: sure he could pull it off. I know now He's

1690
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 2: got the interim title, which really sets him up nicely

1691
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 2: to face the full WBC CHAMPIONIP featherweight, which is Ray Vargas,

1692
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 2: who we just saw louse when he moved up in

1693
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 2: Wait and took on Oshaki Foster for that vacant title.

1694
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 2: He's going to come back to Featherwick. He was in

1695
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 2: the crowd on Saturday. Brandon Figueroa only continued what we thought,

1696
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 2: which is he's on his way to becoming a star,

1697
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 2: and moving up in weight was the right thing for

1698
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 2: his body. But I am curious your thoughts on is

1699
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 2: there a better mix of his style that, in the

1700
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 2: long run could make him even more dangerous.

1701
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's funny. I thought that he would

1702
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 1: abandon a lot of the jabbing at mid range for

1703
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 1: the inside stuff, and he did, because the inside stuff

1704
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 1: is usually just kind of where he gets the better

1705
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 1: work done, like you saw Law in the Castro fight, right,

1706
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:04,640
Speaker 1: But it wasn't the case here. I actually thought he

1707
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 1: was pretty good at distance, and then he was abandoning

1708
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,719
Speaker 1: it or Maksiah was pulling him into those different ranges,

1709
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 1: and so he just kind of got back to what

1710
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 1: he used to. But that wasn't good enough. So I

1711
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: actually feel like rather than I thought, well, he could

1712
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 1: add some more, but he's just going to go back

1713
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 1: to what he's good at. I actually think he needs

1714
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 1: to add more. Not because I think his inside game

1715
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 1: is good, is bad. It's quite good, but it clearly

1716
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 1: on certain cases is not going to be enough. I

1717
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 1: wasn't sure that that was true before. Now I'm a

1718
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: little bit more convinced that it could be. So I

1719
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 1: think jabbing at distance again at times, you know, for

1720
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: when it's appropriate, and having enough of a game there

1721
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:42,679
Speaker 1: where you can make that you can weave that into

1722
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 1: everything else you're doing. I'm with you. I think that's critical.

1723
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 1: I was going to spin it back too. How do

1724
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 1: you think he stands up with the other bigger names

1725
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:51,640
Speaker 1: at one twenty six.

1726
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 2: That's an interesting question. I want to bring up the

1727
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 2: rankings and try to look at that, and quickly on

1728
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 2: the punch stats, Luke, and this points to what Maxao

1729
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 2: did well here. Normally, Figaroa averages ninety two punches thrown

1730
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 2: per round, but according to kampubox, he was limited to

1731
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 2: fifty four punches peruana, and that's because Maso was able

1732
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 2: to meet him in the middle lamb big power shots

1733
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 2: and stay in this fight. Although he held a little

1734
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:17,640
Speaker 2: bit too much to do that. Your question overall is

1735
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:20,679
Speaker 2: about the division at large, and he becomes an interesting

1736
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 2: player here. Look, Ray Vargas is tough, he's tall and long.

1737
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 2: He's a good boxer who can who can throw high volume.

1738
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 2: That's a hell of a fight waiting right there. But

1739
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest with you, I'd still favor Figaroa because, Luke,

1740
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 2: he is coming into his man's strength here in this

1741
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 2: weight class. Dude, did you see him load up for

1742
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 2: body shots. Luke, He's gonna he is a He is

1743
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 2: a destroyer. Maso's got a hell of a chin and

1744
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 2: an ability to walk through shots. But I think he's

1745
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 2: going to be a problem, meaning Figaroa for this one

1746
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 2: twenty sixth division. And if we look at the rankings

1747
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 2: right now, I just happened to be going to ESPN

1748
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 2: dot COM's rankings, Mauricio Lara number one. Of course he

1749
01:19:56,360 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 2: stopped Lee Wood, Ray Vargas two, Luis Slopez three. Then

1750
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 2: you got Josh Warrington, Magsio Leewood, Robas Ramirez Figueroa at

1751
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 2: eight right now, Michael Conlin at nine and Isaac Dougbay

1752
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 2: at ten, Luke are gonna be fair. I look him

1753
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 2: against everyone in that top ten. This is not an

1754
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 2: overly deep one twenty six At the moment. Some guys

1755
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 2: had moved up to one thirty and moved on, you know,

1756
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 2: way waves come and go in the division. There's some

1757
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 2: good names in there. But I think Brandon Figuarreo has

1758
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 2: the potential to be the class of this weight, of

1759
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 2: this weight division, and I want to see if he

1760
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 2: only keeps moving up. Luke, you see his frame, How

1761
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 2: high do you think he can he can competently fight at.

1762
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:35,679
Speaker 1: Not one thirty five?

1763
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:36,759
Speaker 2: You don't?

1764
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 1: I think you do. I don't know.

1765
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 2: Look, look just the four pound difference, which I don't

1766
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 2: want to say, just because the reason why we have

1767
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 2: weight classes so close together in the lower weight divisions

1768
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 2: is these pounds matter. Dude, he moved up to twenty

1769
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 2: six and his body's different, his his intention is different,

1770
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 2: his powers different. I'd love to see him eventually moved

1771
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 2: up to thirty and I don't think thirty five is

1772
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 2: too far. I'm not gonna tell this guy he go

1773
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 2: all the way up to welterweight. But if he keeps

1774
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 2: filling out his body. He's got that long in reach.

1775
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 2: That's why right now I would who am I right?

1776
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 2: But I would love to see him work in more

1777
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 2: distance control and not have to go in the trenches.

1778
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 2: He can weaponize his ability to go in the trenches

1779
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 2: whenever he wants to. He's gonna throw more than you.

1780
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 2: He's gonna pile up punches to the body. Look did

1781
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 2: you see And it was a great call by Al

1782
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 2: Bernstey and he said, oh God, bless you, Brandon Figaroa.

1783
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 2: He was slipping punches a couple times in this fight

1784
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:32,440
Speaker 2: where even in close he's you know, he doesn't.

1785
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 1: Do that enough.

1786
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 2: He start to add more of those levels of craft.

1787
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 2: You can still be a Figaroa family member, which means

1788
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 2: balls out all the time. But how do I think

1789
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 2: he can potentially compete at thirty thirty five? I think

1790
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 2: by mixing in more boxing. Dude. It happened in that

1791
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 2: Castro fight. It happened to me in the Nary fight

1792
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 2: before that, before the Fulton fight. I think Brandon Figueroa

1793
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:54,639
Speaker 2: is only gonna keep getting better the more he moves

1794
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:56,919
Speaker 2: up and weight and matures. And I love this performance

1795
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 2: on Saturday, even if, even if it was the grimy

1796
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 2: Figureoa style, when at times I wondered if he could

1797
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 2: outbox my sail if he wanted.

1798
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,759
Speaker 1: To, felt the score should have been a little bit closer.

1799
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 1: But I think the right guy won in the end,

1800
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:10,719
Speaker 1: and I like him at one twenty six. I would

1801
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: certainly entertain him at one thirty. But to your point,

1802
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 1: just twenty six years old, let's see how it goes.

1803
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 1: He's not full. He may not even be fully physically

1804
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 1: developed at this point, which case maybe one thirty five

1805
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 1: will be in play in a few years.

1806
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 2: I mean, his chin is insane.

1807
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: His hit is fucking bananly.

1808
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 2: You don't want him to lean on that. If you

1809
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 2: don't have to write late, I mean too late, you

1810
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 2: want to say that for the big weight classes when

1811
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 2: you move.

1812
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 1: He leans on his chin against Louis neary known power puncher,

1813
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 1: obviously one thing to two, but whatever, Mexio power puncher,

1814
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 1: he was leaning on it, like dude, his career is

1815
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 1: you know, he ain't gonna be fighting to forty, and

1816
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 1: we can all have to already tell that. But his

1817
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 1: chin is absurd right now.

1818
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,799
Speaker 2: Look, before we get to Jarrett Hurd, it was announced

1819
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 2: this morning that Stephen Fulton Junior is fighting Naiowa in

1820
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 2: a way for his two one hundred and twenty two

1821
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 2: pound titles. It'll be in Japan. I believe it's Sunday,

1822
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 2: May seventh. It's gonna be on under the annua's terms,

1823
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 2: which is ESPN, and it's gonna be early morning on

1824
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 2: a Sunday. Dude, I can't say it enough. You know,

1825
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 2: Fulhan will be back under the PBC banner here on

1826
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 2: showtime and you know if he moves up to one

1827
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 2: twenty six, which he's also teased, good lord, can this

1828
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 2: rematch with Figueroa? You know it couldn't happen any sooner.

1829
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 2: I love me some cool boy, Steph. But Dude, I

1830
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 2: will continue to tell you that is daring to be great.

1831
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 1: Is Japan? No less? I mean he had not just

1832
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:32,839
Speaker 1: by honey, he wanted, but he's going to Japan.

1833
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 2: And it's not just him. It's a new way too, dude,

1834
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 2: and a new A's always been like this. That's why

1835
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 2: he's my Palalfer pound king three division champion carries the

1836
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 2: power up with him day one at the new weight class. Yeah,

1837
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 2: now you want a new way? Wants wants the best

1838
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 2: fighter there and one of the ten best in the

1839
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 2: game right now in Fulton's like, yep, I don't care

1840
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:55,679
Speaker 2: about the networks. Let's do it. That's a gift to boxing.

1841
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 2: You know he'll be back, Luke, But yeah, this is

1842
01:23:58,800 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 2: gonna be fun.

1843
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 1: How about this? How about the young guns Ryan Garcia,

1844
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 1: Tank Davis Noya. In a way, Stephen Fulton, these are

1845
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 1: the guys risk putting risk on the line to make

1846
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:14,600
Speaker 1: bigger fights. Thank you. That's what we need than this is.

1847
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 2: Did they want the smoke? Luke? Like you when we

1848
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 2: watched his Have you seen this shit videos where people

1849
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 2: blow full containers of weed smoke into people's faces, And

1850
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 2: you're like, if that's the way I gotta go out,

1851
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 2: at least I'll be doing what I love. You know

1852
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:26,759
Speaker 2: what I mean? They want the smoke?

1853
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 1: Baby BC real quickly, let's out talk about Jared Hurt. Now,

1854
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:31,679
Speaker 1: I rewatched the fight. I do think he was losing,

1855
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 1: which was unfortunate. I didn't think he was losing terribly,

1856
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 1: but he was definitely losing. However, the fight and ultimately

1857
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 1: got stopped because over the side of his left lip

1858
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 1: it split And I'm trying to explain to you how

1859
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 1: it was split. It was split in the same way

1860
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 1: that Lawler's fight or a lip was split when he

1861
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 1: fought Rory McDonald, just like completely torn flesh wide open.

1862
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 1: The doctor had to stop it. Now you can see

1863
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 1: it right here. It's on the opposite side of where

1864
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 1: the camera is, so it's on it's on the left

1865
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 1: side of her it's face, which is why you can't

1866
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 1: detect it there. And they we didn't get a great shot.

1867
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 1: It's a terrible cut. They had to stop it. He

1868
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 1: was losing on all three judges scorecards. But BC, were

1869
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 1: you fully convinced he couldn't have come back or rallied

1870
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 1: absent the cut. Here's my point, not fully convinced, that's true.

1871
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 1: And what I think is more to the point is

1872
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 1: even if you are, it may not matter. The cut

1873
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:25,759
Speaker 1: might actually be fortuitous a little bit for Herd because

1874
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 1: he can say, well, I got stopped because of this,

1875
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: not because I quit, not because my corner through the towel,

1876
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 1: not because the fight was actually over. I had several

1877
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 1: rounds left to go, but because I had this flesh wound,

1878
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 1: I deserve another shot. Am I reading too much into it?

1879
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 1: Because he's a DMV guy, or is there something to that?

1880
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 2: Well, ye know, I didn't have a lot of people

1881
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 2: questioning the stop is where I think when you break

1882
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 2: it down with the lip and consider his nose was busted,

1883
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 2: you know, I don't hate that stoppage. But the real

1884
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 2: question here how you asked it. But I think I

1885
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 2: can reword it even better? Is is he done now?

1886
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 2: I don't think he's done. I think he's going to regroup.

1887
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 2: He put out an Instagram post that was very sort

1888
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 2: of positive. Spin it forward, but should we have huge concerns? Yeah?

1889
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 2: Yeah we should after another long layoff thirty two years old.

1890
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 2: What's the reason why? Because that style that made him

1891
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 2: so fun and dangerous at one p fifty four when look,

1892
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:13,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest, like, I know he had an

1893
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 2: amateur career and look, he was known. But when he

1894
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 2: when he won the title and started making big fights

1895
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 2: to some level, he did come out of nowhere, it

1896
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 2: was like, oh, who's this guy? Like people had heard

1897
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 2: of him. He was in the amateurs. He had a

1898
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 2: good career, but when he started that lunch pale style

1899
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 2: of just going ahead to head and wearing you down

1900
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,680
Speaker 2: and backing you up, and the dam you know, the

1901
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,760
Speaker 2: knockout of Tony Harrison, the trout fight, the incredible fight

1902
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 2: of the year against Laura. That's not a long term

1903
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 2: sustainable style. And to see him against a guy on

1904
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 2: this level, and I don't want to I don't want

1905
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 2: to say aything bad about Armando race Sendiz because this

1906
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:47,640
Speaker 2: is the biggest win of his career in sort of

1907
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 2: a breakthrough moment for the young fighter. And who knows,

1908
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 2: El Toro maybe in the long run a very good

1909
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 2: fighter from this, I don't know yet, but this is

1910
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 2: not the guy jareded Swift Herd should have this kind

1911
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 2: of trouble against and should be in not the guy

1912
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 2: that he should take this much punishment against. And that's

1913
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 2: the key. He's not the same fighter anymore. And in

1914
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 2: some degrees like how could he be with the damage

1915
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 2: accrude to get those big wins. And then the you know,

1916
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 2: last couple of years have been hard on him. You know,

1917
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 2: lost his father, like a lot of things been going on.

1918
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 2: But when you look at the last three fights over

1919
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 2: the span of the last like four and a half years,

1920
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 2: I mean, he didn't look good and out boxing Chia

1921
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 2: Santana when he was trying to rework his style. He

1922
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 2: looked lifeless and the split decision lost to Luis Arias,

1923
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 2: and now he basically got beat up and stopped and

1924
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 2: was down on the scorecards against a guy that his

1925
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 2: talent level, even in a new division. Luke, he shouldn't be,

1926
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,759
Speaker 2: He shouldn't have these issues. Does this mean he should

1927
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 2: retire right now? Probably not, and I don't and I

1928
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 2: certainly don't think he will, Luke. But he's already switched

1929
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 2: trainers twice, and there's got to be some level of

1930
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 2: a of a he's got to meet in the middle

1931
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:57,640
Speaker 2: somewhere here and alter his style enough to where he

1932
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 2: can still be the inside fight of the high volume,

1933
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 2: the pressure, use his body push you back, but without

1934
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 2: needing to be there all fight. Luke. He's got to

1935
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 2: learn to dodge punches. He's got to learn to move

1936
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 2: to work in a certain level of responsible defense that

1937
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 2: doesn't compromise his style and how dangerous he can be.

1938
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 2: And if he can't figure that out right now, he

1939
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 2: won't be able to. So it's a precarious spot moving forward. Luke.

1940
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 2: I think he'll come back again. I think you go

1941
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 2: go back to the drawing board, and you know was

1942
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 2: there some things to like in this fight to some degree,

1943
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 2: but this is a disastrous result. And I don't think

1944
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:34,639
Speaker 2: even the oh my lips split and that's why I lost,

1945
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 2: that's not that's not that's not a reason that you

1946
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:38,600
Speaker 2: sort of threw out there that you can lean on

1947
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 2: and be like, oh, that's fine. You know, I didn't

1948
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 2: like really lose that fight. No, he did, Luke. He

1949
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 2: takes too much punishment and if he can't figure out

1950
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 2: some hybrid and meet in the middle there, then he's

1951
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 2: going to be a media or comment who came through,

1952
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 2: became the chief of this loaded division back when he

1953
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 2: was the you know, unified champion, and then once he lost, Luke,

1954
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 2: he he went away because he's been away for a while.

1955
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 2: And I hate to say that. I love the guy.

1956
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 2: I love his fighting style. Great interview, great dude. Hey

1957
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 2: he's got good chest hats too. Look to be fair,

1958
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:10,479
Speaker 2: tattoo on tat saying s W I f T You

1959
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying here, But I don't. I don't

1960
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 2: know what to tell him, you know what I mean,

1961
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 2: Not that my advice matters, but like, what do you

1962
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:19,520
Speaker 2: say right now? Luke? It's it's a bad spot.

1963
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 1: I don't have much to add to what you said.

1964
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 1: To be quite candid with you, I think he can

1965
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: probably get another opportunity at a decent fight. But dude,

1966
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:35,000
Speaker 1: you left. He left pieces of himself in those fights,

1967
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 1: and you just it's hard to get him back. It's

1968
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 1: not really possible to get him back. Actually, so I

1969
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 1: think his his careers in trouble, honestly, not like in

1970
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 1: the immediate like oh my god, right this moment sense,

1971
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 1: But two years from now, is he still going to

1972
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 1: be doing this? I don't think so. But we'll see,

1973
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. All right, b See,

1974
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 1: that is it for you and me asking each other's questions.

1975
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 1: It's time for the viewers to ask us questions. We

1976
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 1: put up posts on social every Saturday. You guys fill

1977
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 1: him up. The producers pick him. It's time for dms

1978
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 1: from the diggity Dunks. From the diggity Dunk. We got mail, viewers, viewers.

1979
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes you just gotta be honest. There was a

1980
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 2: sausage fest in London. We've got mail. That's that's that's

1981
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:17,960
Speaker 2: the truth.

1982
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 1: Okay, all right from Schwanky Trey. Good lord, you know

1983
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 1: you know this guy is a dog. Should God consider

1984
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 1: changing camps to improve his wrestling slash jiu jitsu or

1985
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 1: is it just commitment issue to really growing his skill set?

1986
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 1: Hard to know because he's a meant to being lazy

1987
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 1: in training. The BC between this performance and Francis against Stepe,

1988
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 1: you're talking to all time whopper bad performances in title

1989
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 1: fights kind of related to the same thing.

1990
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 2: I mean, look, is there even a comparison to a

1991
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 2: big title fight that the odds were hotly contested, that

1992
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 2: media was split coming in and one guy just completely

1993
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 2: fell apart early? I mean it can have when somebody's old,

1994
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 2: and I'm sure if you go through the history books

1995
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:05,640
Speaker 2: there's been early finishes where you're like, damn, but he

1996
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 2: completely fell apart. I mean John didn't beat him with

1997
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 2: next level things. John beat him with sort of basic things.

1998
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 2: I mean he did basic things brilliantly. When John ducked

1999
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:16,879
Speaker 2: in and took his back, I mean that's timing, that's smarts.

2000
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 2: There's a lot there. But God, shit his pants. So

2001
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:23,720
Speaker 2: do you panic and cut ties with Ferdinand or do

2002
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 2: you bring in you know, a different wrestling and jiu jitsu,

2003
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 2: so you gotta do something. He's not young dude. He's

2004
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:35,799
Speaker 2: young in terms of his overall experience, but he's thirty two, Luke, Okay,

2005
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 2: that's up.

2006
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:39,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty two. And I'll just say this, I don't

2007
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 1: know exactly what the problem is, but here's a very

2008
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 1: very easy way of looking at it is pretty clear

2009
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 1: whatever he's doing is deeply, deeply insufficient. You should not

2010
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 1: be making choices like that in the grappling game at

2011
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 1: this stage of your career. That is not forgivable, not just.

2012
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,679
Speaker 2: Not by the way, did you see the video that's

2013
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:02,640
Speaker 2: making the rounds that Henry's so Hudo was teaching wrestling

2014
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 2: to John, who was there with other people in the gym,

2015
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:07,600
Speaker 2: and the same move that John did to switch forward to.

2016
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 1: The back sort of sort of okay, he didn't exactly.

2017
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 1: It was a common position against the fence, and what

2018
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 1: Henry was trying to explain to him was, you know,

2019
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 1: when you know you're ready to lose the position, you

2020
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 1: can go and cover the head, switch back and forth,

2021
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 1: just to have a good feel for knowing when the

2022
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 1: position is getting away and where to be for the

2023
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 1: next one and what the timing is. And it started

2024
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 1: from that. There are some meaningful differences between them, But

2025
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 1: certainly the advice was very good and it did generate

2026
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 1: from the same original position. John went a bit of

2027
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 1: a different way in the end, but there were some

2028
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 1: there were obviously a lot of overlap. It's not quite

2029
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:42,880
Speaker 1: the same thing, but it's pretty close. Pretty cool.

2030
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:46,360
Speaker 2: But if I ever have the balls to put my

2031
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 2: money where my mouth is in challenge e case Lyiden

2032
01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:52,559
Speaker 2: or Oscar Willis to a real amateur MMA fight. And

2033
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 2: if you're asking, what's the percentage that BC would ever

2034
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:57,599
Speaker 2: have those balls, Luke, you know, I mean it's below

2035
01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 2: one percent, right. It's basically like, can my life reach

2036
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:03,960
Speaker 2: such levels of desperation that I need to just prove

2037
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,719
Speaker 2: my manliness? But if I did, dude, I would want

2038
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:10,679
Speaker 2: Coach Cringe, Henry Sahudo. I would want Eric Albarra seeing

2039
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 2: the captain because he's gonna wear such flashy shit it's

2040
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 2: gonna take the pressure off me. And then I'd probably

2041
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:16,559
Speaker 2: have Coach Littori there in there. And that's a great

2042
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 2: three man corner, Luke, three person corner. Excuse me? And

2043
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 2: I need encouragement, I need style, and I need legitimate

2044
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 2: wrestling tips. Okay, what do you think the Vegas odds

2045
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 2: considering I'm a heavyweight, would be me against Oscar Willis

2046
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:34,320
Speaker 2: in an MMA fight.

2047
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 1: You ever seen that picture of that YouTube video called

2048
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 1: two idiots fighting? Be you?

2049
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 6: No, I haven't, I haven't.

2050
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 2: All right, what about me against Baileyan? You're into that

2051
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 2: or no, you're.

2052
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:55,879
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not into you at forty four fist fighting anyone.

2053
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 1: That's why, that's what I'm not into.

2054
01:33:58,000 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 2: I'll stay on this side of the camera.

2055
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's a good idea. We're old. Now, Let's

2056
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 1: let them motherfuckers, you know, burn their brain cells all

2057
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:09,760
Speaker 1: right at the double D official. Okay, how would John

2058
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 1: versus Blades? Look? Let me make a point here, Gon

2059
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:15,360
Speaker 1: I do think is very, very talented on the feats.

2060
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 1: Why I was so high on him to begin with.

2061
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:20,200
Speaker 1: Turns out there's a massive gap between his standing and

2062
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 1: his ground game, but he is young, for had it

2063
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 1: played out on the feet, one never knows how it

2064
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 1: would have gone. But I want to make this point

2065
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 1: to me. I got to tell you, BC, I don't

2066
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 1: know how you feel about this. John coming and back

2067
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,559
Speaker 1: at fighting Stepe doesn't do much for me, to be honest.

2068
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:38,800
Speaker 1: You know, it came off of a vicious ko he's

2069
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:41,599
Speaker 1: been off for what two years? He's forty plus. I'm

2070
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:44,680
Speaker 1: not saying John, well win it. No matter what it's not.

2071
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:47,479
Speaker 1: It's not my point, it's not what I'm saying, just saying, like,

2072
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 1: my level of interest in it is not that high.

2073
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:55,720
Speaker 1: John Blades, John taking on Blades much more interesting to me.

2074
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:58,680
Speaker 2: But you understand that's a promoter's dream matchup. You're good

2075
01:34:58,720 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 2: at They're going to do that now?

2076
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean listen the the you know,

2077
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:04,519
Speaker 1: I get it, like I get what way the winds

2078
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 1: are blowing. I'm just telling you personal consumer choice. John

2079
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 1: versus aspinall or Blades, two thumbs up. John versus Steepeg. Fine,

2080
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:13,639
Speaker 1: but not that interested.

2081
01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 2: You know, there's a name that we never mentioned in

2082
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 2: these conversations, and we miss it by accident. It's our fall.

2083
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 2: But people get on me a lot. Serge Pavlogit, Pavlovitch, Pavlovich.

2084
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's an interesting one too. Yeah, add him

2085
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:28,599
Speaker 1: to the list. Sure, okay, add him to the list.

2086
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 1: But what do you think? How does it look be

2087
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 1: see John versus Blades.

2088
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:36,160
Speaker 2: I will have to say once again, and by the way,

2089
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 2: Mikey's reminding us that Pavlovich has an eighty four inch reach,

2090
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 2: so that John suddenly doesn't have this massive advantage. Look,

2091
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 2: I'm not downgrading John's win over gone. I'm not doing

2092
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 2: any of that. I'm not telling you that John's not

2093
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:54,559
Speaker 2: as good as that fight looked because I don't know, Luke.

2094
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 2: I want to find out. So, how does it look

2095
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 2: against Blades? I don't know what. If they're does their

2096
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 2: wrestling just can't each other out and it becomes a

2097
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 2: striking match. If so, I'm gonna favor John, right, But

2098
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:06,799
Speaker 2: you know, does it become a back and forth wrestling

2099
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 2: match where the gas tank gets involved? We have seen Blades,

2100
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 2: remember against Volkoff, be very aggressive with the wrestling and

2101
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:15,720
Speaker 2: have that backfire for him. Is that, like Chale told

2102
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:18,839
Speaker 2: us during our Room Service Diaries, the potential toughest matchup

2103
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 2: at heavyweight for John? Maybe?

2104
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:22,960
Speaker 1: But maybe I don't.

2105
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 2: I don't know how any of us, after watching like

2106
01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:29,120
Speaker 2: seventy five seconds of John at heavyweight at two hundred

2107
01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:32,720
Speaker 2: and forty eight pounds or whatever, could really understand what

2108
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 2: even the steepe fight is really gonna look like. And

2109
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying. There's a lot of criticism

2110
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 2: of even though Steepey is considered the greatest or most

2111
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 2: successful heavyweight champion in UFC history, is it fair that

2112
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 2: he's essentially just like I only take Tyler fights, and

2113
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:48,280
Speaker 2: I'm willing to sit out a year out of time

2114
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 2: to get that. I don't know. I don't even know

2115
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:52,880
Speaker 2: if that's fair, Luke, But I really don't believe that

2116
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:56,280
Speaker 2: any of us have a true understanding of exactly what

2117
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 2: John will look like in these fights. So Blades, Yeah,

2118
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:00,679
Speaker 2: that's a hell of a match up against a guy

2119
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,679
Speaker 2: in his prime who's already lost a few tough ones

2120
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 2: and was able to sort of, you know, bounce back

2121
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:09,840
Speaker 2: from those, and he's got a somewhat well rounded game.

2122
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:13,960
Speaker 2: But this will test John's wrestling for sure, Luke. Okay,

2123
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 2: I'd love to see it, and I think John will

2124
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:18,640
Speaker 2: get there. I think he beats Stepe and then I

2125
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 2: think Blades might be next, you know, or maybe Pavlovitch

2126
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 2: knock somebody out and gets in there. Who are they

2127
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:24,120
Speaker 2: fighting each other? Am I missing out on this?

2128
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:26,080
Speaker 1: Is it certain they're not fighting each other? Right?

2129
01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:26,160
Speaker 2: No?

2130
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 1: Not right now, not that I'm aware of. No, speaking

2131
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:33,160
Speaker 1: of Saragey Pavlovitch at powers. Dot Cole asks is Saragay

2132
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:35,920
Speaker 1: Pavlovitch the biggest treat? He wrote, I think he means

2133
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:39,080
Speaker 1: threat to John Jones at heavyweight. He raises many of

2134
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:42,120
Speaker 1: the threats that and Ganu had and would match John's

2135
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 1: eighty four inch reach. What do you think we see?

2136
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 2: Well, I just want to remind you that two weeks

2137
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 2: ago Bretto Komodo put out sources. Pavlovitch versus Curtis Blades

2138
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:52,200
Speaker 2: is close for April twenty secents.

2139
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:54,519
Speaker 1: Ah, okay, okay, okay, but it wasn't official that we

2140
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:55,720
Speaker 1: haven't they haven't announced it.

2141
01:37:56,240 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, sure, yeah, Look, Pavlovitch could could we love

2142
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:04,160
Speaker 2: the idea of like the foreign spoiler has arrived? And

2143
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:06,599
Speaker 2: will they you know, will they not? Will they ruin everyone?

2144
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 2: It might be him? Look, he's destructive. That reach is insane.

2145
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:13,760
Speaker 2: You're certainly more studied on him. Where would his ground

2146
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:15,040
Speaker 2: game matchup against John.

2147
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 1: So Oveream had his way with him on the ground.

2148
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:18,559
Speaker 1: But I also go back to that one we talked

2149
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:20,720
Speaker 1: about a million times on this How representative is that

2150
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,559
Speaker 1: Oveream fight, especially because that was his UFC debut and

2151
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:25,200
Speaker 1: maybe he kind of had, you know, the deer in

2152
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 1: the headlights thing in that fight. It wasn't great. And

2153
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,280
Speaker 1: also a big guy like that, you know he's he's

2154
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:32,599
Speaker 1: built for big power earlier, right, you can see why

2155
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:34,880
Speaker 1: so many of his wins are like that. Blades is

2156
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 1: going to test that. I would imagine if Blades can

2157
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:39,760
Speaker 1: avoid the big punch, I'll ave Derek Harris, Derek Lewis,

2158
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:44,439
Speaker 1: ecuse me, he should be able to win. But what

2159
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 1: we shall see, I favor Blades. But that's a tough one.

2160
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:49,040
Speaker 2: I gotta ask you this, and you're gonna shot on

2161
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:50,880
Speaker 2: me for it, But that's fine. This is a legit question.

2162
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:53,519
Speaker 2: When I did that little DC ran about DC John three,

2163
01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:55,880
Speaker 2: that's it's comedic, right, Although in my heart I'm a

2164
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:56,400
Speaker 2: DC guy.

2165
01:38:56,439 --> 01:38:58,559
Speaker 1: So is DC coming back? Because I don't want to

2166
01:38:58,560 --> 01:38:59,439
Speaker 1: talk about that anymore.

2167
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:01,080
Speaker 2: That's not where I'm going with this. But I threw

2168
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 2: that out there because this is in that conversation. Okay,

2169
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:04,800
Speaker 2: And I'm not afraid to upset you if you think

2170
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:05,880
Speaker 2: I am all right, I'm not afraid.

2171
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:07,320
Speaker 1: I know you're not. In fact, I know I'm not

2172
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:08,160
Speaker 1: a record.

2173
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:11,479
Speaker 2: With that with that absolute shit, Okay, there's a lot

2174
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:13,000
Speaker 2: of talk and people I don't like it. But there's

2175
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 2: a lot of talk of now's the time to finally

2176
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 2: do Jones.

2177
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:20,559
Speaker 1: Lesnar to that, but even thought twice about that, Now

2178
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:21,080
Speaker 1: would you be?

2179
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 2: Would you be? What would be your reaction if you

2180
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:29,040
Speaker 2: found out Jones versus Kane Velasquez was being looked into.

2181
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:32,519
Speaker 1: Not that interested. I think whatever version of Kine you're

2182
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:34,799
Speaker 1: gonna get is terribly diminished. I mean, there's an argument

2183
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:36,720
Speaker 1: to be made. It's like, and I've seen people like

2184
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:39,720
Speaker 1: John Duck the heavyweights, well it's always a little more

2185
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 1: complicated than that. But the reality is he didn't go

2186
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:45,040
Speaker 1: up to heavyweight when ver Doom was at his best,

2187
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:47,719
Speaker 1: when Kane was at his best, when those other guys

2188
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 1: had some big names at heavyweight, and we're doing some

2189
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 1: interesting shit he did. He didn't go up then, and

2190
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:53,720
Speaker 1: he's gonna go up now and take on some of

2191
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:55,640
Speaker 1: these older names, which I get the business and all

2192
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, I get it, But this is

2193
01:39:57,320 --> 01:39:58,960
Speaker 1: why to me, it's important to see him against the

2194
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:01,400
Speaker 1: Blades or an Aspinal or Pavlovitch or whoever ends up

2195
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:05,000
Speaker 1: being some younger names that are much more destructive than

2196
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:06,519
Speaker 1: what the older guys have potential for.

2197
01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:08,240
Speaker 2: No Brown Pride for you.

2198
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:13,479
Speaker 1: Nothing, not on this not for this fight being made. No, no,

2199
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 1: not for me. All right, you see at the real

2200
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:19,200
Speaker 1: K Carter asked, this is way up your alley. Is

2201
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 1: Valentina the greatest women's fighter to gain nearly zero mainstream

2202
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:26,840
Speaker 1: crossover appeal? And here's the truth, man. They put her

2203
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:29,800
Speaker 1: on big cards. She was in that halle Berry movie.

2204
01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 1: She does a lot of media, and she does have

2205
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:34,320
Speaker 1: a following. It's not to say that she does, and

2206
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:37,639
Speaker 1: in fact it's the horniest men in all of MMA Twitter.

2207
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:40,599
Speaker 1: They can't put their pants on, and when they talk

2208
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:42,920
Speaker 1: about her, it's just a reality. But I don't know

2209
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:44,719
Speaker 1: that she ever turned into the star of the UFC

2210
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:48,720
Speaker 1: kind of hoped for. She's not like they've the one

2211
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:51,200
Speaker 1: she had last time was in Singapore, before this one whatever,

2212
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:53,800
Speaker 1: it was like they're putting here with that Glover card,

2213
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:55,880
Speaker 1: Like they've strategically put her on big stuff, But I

2214
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 1: think they've also realized they kind of maxed out whatever

2215
01:40:57,960 --> 01:40:59,799
Speaker 1: potential was there as a popular attraction.

2216
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:02,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, look, she has dominant finishes, like when

2217
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 2: Jessica I runs into her leg right, but she's not

2218
01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:07,519
Speaker 2: rousey like where it's like, oh my god, She's finishing

2219
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:10,360
Speaker 2: people in twenty seconds. She's very well spoken, and I

2220
01:41:10,439 --> 01:41:12,400
Speaker 2: think you know, she's a very interesting person, but not

2221
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:16,280
Speaker 2: the type of personality that you become the mainstream crossover.

2222
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:19,000
Speaker 2: But look, she's beloved, And I get what you're saying

2223
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:21,600
Speaker 2: about the creepy responses, and that's part of it, But like,

2224
01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:23,840
Speaker 2: have you ever been out it? Remember when UFC did

2225
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 2: those public workouts pre COVID public Yeah, like they put

2226
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:30,360
Speaker 2: the matt down in the center of the MGM grand

2227
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:32,720
Speaker 2: outside of the sportsbook. Did you ever used to hear

2228
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:35,280
Speaker 2: the responses that Holly Holm would get like that Rousey

2229
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:39,679
Speaker 2: Win like made her the all time great fan favorite.

2230
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:43,760
Speaker 2: Valentina gets responses like that, like the fans love respect

2231
01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:47,400
Speaker 2: and appreciate her. But no, for the most part, she

2232
01:41:47,479 --> 01:41:50,519
Speaker 2: lorded over this one twenty five division that was devoid

2233
01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:53,479
Speaker 2: of dangerous talent or even big name dance partners. And

2234
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:56,800
Speaker 2: you know, if you're not a dominant charismatic personality or

2235
01:41:56,840 --> 01:42:02,719
Speaker 2: controversial or a dominant finisher, you need dance partners, villains

2236
01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:07,040
Speaker 2: or whomever to to truly make you. She didn't.

2237
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:07,360
Speaker 1: She did.

2238
01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 2: She hadn't really had that, and she doesn't really have

2239
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:12,160
Speaker 2: that personality, Luke, So I wouldn't say that, like it's zero.

2240
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:14,320
Speaker 2: I mean, she wasn't in a movie opposite halle Berry.

2241
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:19,160
Speaker 2: But there's obvious built in ceilings of like I mean,

2242
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:23,240
Speaker 2: whoever actually gets to that level Amanda remember when I

2243
01:42:23,240 --> 01:42:25,760
Speaker 2: mean Amanda got pretty popular, but even Darren had.

2244
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:29,160
Speaker 1: Not exactly not exactly even got further and she was

2245
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:30,799
Speaker 1: on Dancing with the Stars and whatnot.

2246
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:34,280
Speaker 2: She was, but it's it's PVZ, it's Rousey. I mean,

2247
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:36,840
Speaker 2: tay In Holme had some time based on the Rowsy

2248
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:40,240
Speaker 2: Rub where they were household names. But it's just it's

2249
01:42:40,240 --> 01:42:42,519
Speaker 2: not easy. I mean, like, look, Luke, how many male

2250
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:45,800
Speaker 2: UFC fighters that are active right now are household names?

2251
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:50,680
Speaker 1: Not many? John Jones, yeah, Connor, Connor.

2252
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:56,280
Speaker 2: Diaz not not even in the UFC. Maybe Pourier after

2253
01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:58,919
Speaker 2: getting the Connor rub two times at pay per view, maybe.

2254
01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:00,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple couple of the Straggler along the way,

2255
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:01,599
Speaker 1: yeah yeah.

2256
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:03,559
Speaker 2: But like, but like the point, you know, maybe out

2257
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:05,880
Speaker 2: of Soignia maybe I don't know, maybe not, I don't know,

2258
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:08,360
Speaker 2: but not not a lot, not a lot. So what

2259
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:09,840
Speaker 2: are we what are we actually looking for her to

2260
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:12,040
Speaker 2: get a sitcom Luke, I mean I'll be in. I'll

2261
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:13,960
Speaker 2: be the third shift Tenko sibling. If we want to

2262
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:15,799
Speaker 2: make this into a into a thirty minute comedy.

2263
01:43:15,880 --> 01:43:18,320
Speaker 1: I think you're I think you're really underplaying this. You're

2264
01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 1: doing it off based of like, oh, she gets a

2265
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:23,000
Speaker 1: nice pot from the crowd. These are very crude measurements.

2266
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:24,880
Speaker 1: We should get a better Like a better measurement would

2267
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:28,040
Speaker 1: be like Google trends. So let's look up Valentina Schevchenko

2268
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:29,880
Speaker 1: and compare her at that point.

2269
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:32,320
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but Google trends can be overplayed. I say

2270
01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:34,360
Speaker 2: that because it's every single pay per view.

2271
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:36,080
Speaker 1: That lot is going on crowd pops.

2272
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:38,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but doesn't say this is trending to be our

2273
01:43:38,439 --> 01:43:40,400
Speaker 2: record breaking pay per view every single card.

2274
01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:42,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not Google trends. He doesn't control those.

2275
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:44,759
Speaker 1: Google trends are independent of his control.

2276
01:43:45,439 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 2: All right, Mikey thinks, maz of you it all got

2277
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:47,679
Speaker 2: to that level.

2278
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:50,360
Speaker 1: He's right, He's right. Uh yeah, I mean even now,

2279
01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:52,439
Speaker 1: I mean, Rossi's still doing professional wrestling, so that's not

2280
01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:55,040
Speaker 1: a great comparison. Who's another person I should compare her

2281
01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:59,760
Speaker 1: to for this time period? Even b KFC hold on

2282
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:03,400
Speaker 1: even doing the BKFC, so she's really been out for

2283
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:06,680
Speaker 1: the last year. Even then, her search results and her

2284
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:10,720
Speaker 1: total global profile is vastly higher than Valentina's.

2285
01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:13,639
Speaker 2: It's not even Yeah, yeah, is that a surprise, Luke

2286
01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:15,559
Speaker 2: is not like it's a surprise. I don't think she's

2287
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:16,360
Speaker 2: like fail.

2288
01:44:17,080 --> 01:44:18,479
Speaker 1: I mean, we should just say it. She's not really

2289
01:44:18,479 --> 01:44:20,040
Speaker 1: all that popular. You're making it out to be like, Oh,

2290
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:21,960
Speaker 1: she's kind of just like Holly. No, she's not. She's

2291
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:22,880
Speaker 1: not even close to Holly.

2292
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:24,800
Speaker 2: I'm not what I was saying. What I was really

2293
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:27,960
Speaker 2: saying was she's beloved by the fan base, but it

2294
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:30,080
Speaker 2: doesn't extend to the crossover level. That's what I was

2295
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:30,679
Speaker 2: really saying.

2296
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:32,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. I think that's right.

2297
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:34,320
Speaker 2: Yes, And that was Long Island Luke who said that,

2298
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:36,719
Speaker 2: And everyone knows his dad's from Australia. Blah blah blah.

2299
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,519
Speaker 1: All right, last, but not least from at cole Underscore

2300
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:42,280
Speaker 1: Brown eight five eight. Do you believe Derek Brunson's corner

2301
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,519
Speaker 1: throwing the towel mid round will start a trend for

2302
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:48,439
Speaker 1: other high level MMA coaches and teams to do the same.

2303
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:52,240
Speaker 1: Absolutely fucking not, no, no chick whatsoever.

2304
01:44:52,520 --> 01:44:56,920
Speaker 2: You don't think that that helps remove the stereotype if

2305
01:44:56,920 --> 01:44:58,720
Speaker 2: it's there that in mma, we don't do that like

2306
01:44:58,760 --> 01:44:59,639
Speaker 2: it's a thing in boxing.

2307
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:02,160
Speaker 1: Right, This is sort of like saying this is sort

2308
01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:04,320
Speaker 1: of like saying going into someone's room and they've got

2309
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:09,599
Speaker 1: pizza boxes everywhere, beer cans littered everywhere, shit smeared on

2310
01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:12,719
Speaker 1: the walls, everything else. And you go and you pick

2311
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:15,840
Speaker 1: up one tiny sock that wasn't in the hamper, and

2312
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:17,960
Speaker 1: then you put it in there. Did you how how

2313
01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:20,360
Speaker 1: much cleaner did the room get?

2314
01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:20,160
Speaker 2: Not?

2315
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:23,120
Speaker 1: Much? And more to the point, is this picking up

2316
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:24,640
Speaker 1: this sock and put it in the hamper? Is this

2317
01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:27,519
Speaker 1: going to lead to the room getting cleaner? No, it

2318
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:29,639
Speaker 1: would have to be a shit ton more that goes

2319
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:32,400
Speaker 1: into making this. This is a nice thing. I'm not

2320
01:45:32,439 --> 01:45:34,280
Speaker 1: bad mouthing it. I think they made the right call.

2321
01:45:34,520 --> 01:45:36,800
Speaker 1: Good for him. Brunton thirty nine years of old. He

2322
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:38,840
Speaker 1: should not be taking extra punishment. Do I think it's

2323
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:44,400
Speaker 1: going to cause a trend? No? Not at all. Okay, dude,

2324
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:46,360
Speaker 1: these guys are hard headed. Man, They're hard headed. They're

2325
01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:49,360
Speaker 1: immune to evidence, They're immune to a lot. It's gonna take.

2326
01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:51,960
Speaker 1: Here's what we'll start a trend, and this one will

2327
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:54,720
Speaker 1: be short lived to someone's got to die. And I

2328
01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:56,360
Speaker 1: hate to say it that way, but someone's got it

2329
01:45:56,400 --> 01:46:00,439
Speaker 1: something or someone has to get paralyzed or something terrible, arable,

2330
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:03,280
Speaker 1: terrible has to happen before people go oh right, there's

2331
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:06,720
Speaker 1: consequences to acting like a meathead. Until then, they just

2332
01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:08,080
Speaker 1: won't do it. They just want Yeah.

2333
01:46:08,720 --> 01:46:11,840
Speaker 2: I don't think we have another area to add this in,

2334
01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:13,800
Speaker 2: but I did want to not forget to bring it

2335
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:17,479
Speaker 2: up on the show. The thing you shared with me

2336
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:19,640
Speaker 2: that about the MMA contracts.

2337
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:22,920
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know. Folks pay attention to this. The

2338
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:27,040
Speaker 1: UFC has recently changed the contracts again and they've made

2339
01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:28,720
Speaker 1: it harder to leave. You still can leave. There is

2340
01:46:28,760 --> 01:46:31,519
Speaker 1: a sunset clause, but the timing of the contract starts

2341
01:46:31,720 --> 01:46:33,120
Speaker 1: not when you sign it, but when you get your

2342
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:35,759
Speaker 1: first fight, which they can delay for a long time

2343
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:38,800
Speaker 1: if you have any kind of injury suspension. That adds

2344
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:41,599
Speaker 1: time to the contract that didn't used to. There's other

2345
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:43,519
Speaker 1: provisions as well, and then on top of it, they're

2346
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:46,400
Speaker 1: making all the new guys sign deals that say they're

2347
01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:49,040
Speaker 1: not going to participate in class action lawsuits, you know,

2348
01:46:49,120 --> 01:46:51,840
Speaker 1: so they can basically indemnify themselves going forward.

2349
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:56,759
Speaker 2: So they're already paying money to lobby against their own

2350
01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:02,400
Speaker 2: fighter contract employees' rights to organize. Correct, they're actually they're

2351
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 2: actually spending money to essentially attempt to change the laws

2352
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:09,960
Speaker 2: to make it harder for their athletes to unify. This

2353
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:10,679
Speaker 2: is a trunk act.

2354
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:14,559
Speaker 1: Well, it depends what you mean. Like, so they've lobbied

2355
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:17,400
Speaker 1: state governments to not release purses. That doesn't help them.

2356
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:19,879
Speaker 1: They've also lobbied on the Hill to prevent the passage

2357
01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:22,759
Speaker 1: of the ALI Act. That's not unionization, but it's certainly

2358
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:24,240
Speaker 1: something that would improve their situation.

2359
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:26,799
Speaker 2: Material Okay, Well what you sent me was a story

2360
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:31,240
Speaker 2: from fight Full, and it says that Fightful reached out

2361
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:36,959
Speaker 2: to eleven prominent MMA management agencies to get their response

2362
01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:40,120
Speaker 2: to the Bloody Elbow report about the new changes to

2363
01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:43,160
Speaker 2: the UFC contract. So they reached out to every major

2364
01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:46,200
Speaker 2: one you can you've ever heard of, first Round, Vayner, Ruby, Sports,

2365
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:50,640
Speaker 2: Sucker Punch, Chosen, Dominance, MMA, Paradigm, Iridium, all all the

2366
01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:54,599
Speaker 2: big names, Luke and they were given over seventy two

2367
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:58,120
Speaker 2: hours to respond to fight Full to comment, and none

2368
01:47:58,120 --> 01:48:00,360
Speaker 2: of them chose to. And now here's so, here's a

2369
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:03,040
Speaker 2: quote from the Fight Full story. If these are the

2370
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:06,200
Speaker 2: people who are negotiating deals for these fighters and they

2371
01:48:06,200 --> 01:48:11,120
Speaker 2: can't even comment on contractual changes that could impede their clients' rights,

2372
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:13,240
Speaker 2: that can't be a good sign for the state of

2373
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:17,040
Speaker 2: fighter pay and rights improving within the promotion. I would

2374
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:19,759
Speaker 2: say that that seems true. Seems true, Luke.

2375
01:48:21,200 --> 01:48:23,800
Speaker 1: Folks, ask what do MMA managers do? Well, if you're

2376
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:27,240
Speaker 1: Nate Diaz, his manager, and the guy who manages Nate Daz,

2377
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:30,439
Speaker 1: that's his only MMA client, that's the only one he has.

2378
01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:33,160
Speaker 1: You get that guy good legal help to look over

2379
01:48:33,200 --> 01:48:35,719
Speaker 1: any of his contracts, You advise him on business deals,

2380
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:38,360
Speaker 1: you help get him pr That's what a manager is

2381
01:48:38,360 --> 01:48:40,720
Speaker 1: supposed to do. You negotiate with the UFC, you come

2382
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:43,120
Speaker 1: up with figures, you dance back and forth. But that's

2383
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:46,639
Speaker 1: the only guy that he has. When he reps MMA

2384
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:49,759
Speaker 1: fires just Nate. There's a different kind of manager who's

2385
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:53,320
Speaker 1: basically like a broker or a rent seeker, where what

2386
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:55,120
Speaker 1: they do is like, oh, you signed with me, and

2387
01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:57,840
Speaker 1: I can get you signed to the UFC. But that

2388
01:48:58,320 --> 01:49:00,120
Speaker 1: ends up being a deal where it's like great for

2389
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:03,120
Speaker 1: UFC and great for the manager. I am very skeptical

2390
01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:06,360
Speaker 1: that that arrangement is good for fighters in any capacity whatsoever.

2391
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:09,920
Speaker 2: Look, did you watch that manager video that MMA I

2392
01:49:09,960 --> 01:49:10,280
Speaker 2: put out.

2393
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:13,439
Speaker 1: You know, my guy, I got half I got halfway. No,

2394
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:15,000
Speaker 1: I think I got like a third of the way through.

2395
01:49:15,320 --> 01:49:17,559
Speaker 1: The problem is is videos are great, they're just long.

2396
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:20,240
Speaker 1: And my wife's out of town and dad has to

2397
01:49:20,240 --> 01:49:22,479
Speaker 1: pick up Tooky from school, had to take her to school, had.

2398
01:49:22,360 --> 01:49:25,280
Speaker 2: To make laws. Well, I will tell you one day

2399
01:49:25,280 --> 01:49:27,200
Speaker 2: when you finish that, I'd like to get your It's

2400
01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:29,680
Speaker 2: it's some damning stuff. He's taking facts that are out

2401
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:31,519
Speaker 2: there in the world and putting them together, and it

2402
01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:34,680
Speaker 2: would it be wrong to identify I love Look, we're

2403
01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:36,280
Speaker 2: friends with some of these managers, you know what I mean.

2404
01:49:36,280 --> 01:49:37,960
Speaker 1: I love this sum Some of them have just a

2405
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:39,640
Speaker 1: few clients, and I think they do a lot of

2406
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:41,720
Speaker 1: really good work from I like those guys. But the

2407
01:49:41,800 --> 01:49:44,240
Speaker 1: ones which acts rent seekers, that's the problem.

2408
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:46,400
Speaker 2: I mean, are they acting like pimps Almost.

2409
01:49:46,600 --> 01:49:48,720
Speaker 1: Pimps is a strong word, but they're just brokers. They're

2410
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:51,800
Speaker 1: they're brokers for the UFC. They If I think of

2411
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:53,720
Speaker 1: another broker, like I've got property, this guy owns a

2412
01:49:53,720 --> 01:49:55,400
Speaker 1: bunch of properties. I got a film. I'm gonna find

2413
01:49:55,400 --> 01:49:58,840
Speaker 1: renters to go fill these properties. That's essentially their role.

2414
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:02,000
Speaker 1: That's that's the service they provide. Yeah, that's not really

2415
01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:04,639
Speaker 1: a service to the fighters, as best I can tell.

2416
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:06,679
Speaker 2: I mean, the last time we heard of a manager

2417
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:09,840
Speaker 2: like going to bat was when Francis had that what's

2418
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:10,800
Speaker 2: the guy's name that he had?

2419
01:50:12,040 --> 01:50:13,400
Speaker 1: Was it Mark kel Martin something like that?

2420
01:50:13,479 --> 01:50:15,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't Francis drop him because the heat with the

2421
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:17,160
Speaker 2: UFC was getting too much?

2422
01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like and also you know who you know he

2423
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:22,599
Speaker 1: used to butt heads with the UFC. I'm told less

2424
01:50:22,600 --> 01:50:25,200
Speaker 1: of these days, but used to who is Holly Holmes

2425
01:50:25,240 --> 01:50:29,760
Speaker 1: old boxing manager? Oh? What the hell is his name? Brian?

2426
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:31,080
Speaker 2: What that? What's that guy's name?

2427
01:50:31,120 --> 01:50:33,680
Speaker 1: He was like a local Albuquerque guy who wrapped a

2428
01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:37,479
Speaker 1: couple of fighters and whatever. The boxing I'm told. I'm

2429
01:50:37,479 --> 01:50:39,600
Speaker 1: told he used to give the UFC hell and negotiations.

2430
01:50:39,640 --> 01:50:41,519
Speaker 1: I'm told that dude used to really put it down

2431
01:50:41,560 --> 01:50:43,600
Speaker 1: because all he ever dealt with was guys having or

2432
01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:46,719
Speaker 1: you know, fighters having the kind of Leverty understood from boxing.

2433
01:50:46,760 --> 01:50:48,160
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, we're not going to play those games.

2434
01:50:48,240 --> 01:50:49,439
Speaker 1: So I worked out for him.

2435
01:50:49,479 --> 01:50:51,280
Speaker 2: But my favorite MMA manager is.

2436
01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:54,240
Speaker 1: Luke Danny Rube.

2437
01:50:54,439 --> 01:50:57,320
Speaker 2: Danny Rube, yes, and I regret the hairline comment. I do,

2438
01:50:57,400 --> 01:51:00,599
Speaker 2: but you know he's an ou wrestler man that nothing

2439
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:02,160
Speaker 2: a double leg couldn't figure out what that guy? That

2440
01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:05,280
Speaker 2: guy is great. I love that guy. He's got he's

2441
01:51:05,439 --> 01:51:07,160
Speaker 2: I like Danny Shofcotts guy.

2442
01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:09,080
Speaker 1: Right, Shefcott he is Shofcots guy.

2443
01:51:09,160 --> 01:51:11,240
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, all right, you are you want to

2444
01:51:11,240 --> 01:51:11,880
Speaker 2: see some shit or no?

2445
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:12,040
Speaker 3: What?

2446
01:51:13,240 --> 01:51:13,680
Speaker 1: Here we go?

2447
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:15,920
Speaker 2: All right? I Scott with the Globe yesterday, but it

2448
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 2: was a little bit more than the typical call to action,

2449
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:21,040
Speaker 2: which is, you know, I've been accused of turning this

2450
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:24,280
Speaker 2: segment into Sports Center and putting too many fight highlights

2451
01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:24,519
Speaker 2: in down.

2452
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:25,800
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Guy?

2453
01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:28,759
Speaker 2: Not enough old people getting injured? So I was challenged

2454
01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:31,280
Speaker 2: by my co host, and since I challenged him constantly,

2455
01:51:31,680 --> 01:51:33,799
Speaker 2: you know, I took it to heart. Luke, here's a revamped,

2456
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:37,080
Speaker 2: hopefully improved you'd be the judge. Have you seen this shit?

2457
01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:40,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2458
01:51:40,600 --> 01:51:42,759
Speaker 2: All right? We do have elder abuse right around the corner.

2459
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:45,320
Speaker 2: But Luke, you know I always start with the UFC,

2460
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:47,720
Speaker 2: and it was UFC two eighty five this weekend. But no,

2461
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:51,000
Speaker 2: we're not talking about John Jones or Cyril Gon. We're

2462
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:56,280
Speaker 2: talking about the Octagon debut of Jake Jillen Hall. Luke,

2463
01:51:58,600 --> 01:52:01,400
Speaker 2: did you see him in four? Are UFC fighter Jay

2464
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:07,160
Speaker 2: Heron filming countless roadhouse scenes for the remake starring Connor McGregor.

2465
01:52:07,200 --> 01:52:08,960
Speaker 1: Here is well, then look at the step and repeat

2466
01:52:09,080 --> 01:52:11,400
Speaker 1: UFC two twenty two Harris versus Dalton.

2467
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:15,880
Speaker 2: So spoiler alert if you care about the potentials of

2468
01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:18,200
Speaker 2: this movie's plot, But here's some of the actions here, Luke,

2469
01:52:18,200 --> 01:52:19,880
Speaker 2: how long has Jay Heron been out of the game

2470
01:52:19,920 --> 01:52:20,519
Speaker 2: a while.

2471
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:22,519
Speaker 1: A while, but he's been, like, you know, kind of

2472
01:52:22,520 --> 01:52:25,280
Speaker 1: getting some like roles in Hollywood the whole time, like

2473
01:52:25,880 --> 01:52:28,360
Speaker 1: sometimes just a cameo something a little bit more, but

2474
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:30,000
Speaker 1: he's kind of been active in there. Good for him.

2475
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I haven't seen Cred three yet, but I

2476
01:52:32,280 --> 01:52:34,000
Speaker 2: know Todd Grisham and that his own team is part

2477
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:36,320
Speaker 2: of that, so I'm looking forward to they actually put

2478
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:38,599
Speaker 2: Jake and Jay Heron in the cage. Here's a little

2479
01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:41,840
Speaker 2: bit of that footage. This was between fights on Saturday, Luke.

2480
01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:44,000
Speaker 2: And you know Jake's goot the gear.

2481
01:52:43,880 --> 01:52:47,400
Speaker 1: Right, this is just MMA pro wrestling right.

2482
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:52,000
Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, look at that. Oh yeah, get in there, togging, Yoni,

2483
01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:52,519
Speaker 2: get in there.

2484
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:58,160
Speaker 1: Du Let me let me just say whatever whatever pedes

2485
01:52:58,240 --> 01:53:00,519
Speaker 1: the Jake Jillen Hall is taking. I'll have some please,

2486
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:02,320
Speaker 1: That's what Brendan Schab tweeted.

2487
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:03,320
Speaker 2: I'll have what he's having.

2488
01:53:03,400 --> 01:53:03,519
Speaker 3: Well.

2489
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:06,360
Speaker 2: They asked Dano about it after the fight. Here's Dana White.

2490
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:13,880
Speaker 2: I think he's been usat attested, but he looks great.

2491
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:17,560
Speaker 1: Paulo costa secret juice might have helped him. What's that?

2492
01:53:18,240 --> 01:53:21,920
Speaker 2: Maybe he's using too much of Paulo Costa's secret juice. Possibly,

2493
01:53:25,960 --> 01:53:28,400
Speaker 2: Luke what like, what is he on everything? I mean

2494
01:53:28,439 --> 01:53:30,800
Speaker 2: he's he's like what forty something? He's ripped?

2495
01:53:30,840 --> 01:53:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand when you get to that level. With

2496
01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:36,959
Speaker 1: that kind of money, dude, you can hire like elite

2497
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:39,200
Speaker 1: chemists who make this kind of stuff to give you

2498
01:53:39,200 --> 01:53:41,640
Speaker 1: like a proprietary blend. Or he may have gone with

2499
01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:45,080
Speaker 1: the old natural stuff. But he's on it. Make no mistake.

2500
01:53:45,160 --> 01:53:45,680
Speaker 1: He's on it.

2501
01:53:46,160 --> 01:53:48,160
Speaker 2: Not a gas station, dick pill I'll tell you that much.

2502
01:53:48,200 --> 01:53:50,920
Speaker 1: But speaking of Ja, no sir, no sir.

2503
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:53,599
Speaker 2: Jake got a front row seat to the fight, sitting

2504
01:53:53,640 --> 01:53:56,200
Speaker 2: next to his co star Connor McGregor, Luke only this

2505
01:53:56,280 --> 01:53:59,639
Speaker 2: little shootout, this show up was interrupted by Deeve Devlin

2506
01:54:00,600 --> 01:54:02,599
Speaker 2: Uh Connor's tattoo on t tee.

2507
01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:04,880
Speaker 1: Your thoughts here, Luke, Yeah, it's a little much. Can

2508
01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:05,519
Speaker 1: we not do that?

2509
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:08,000
Speaker 2: But you know, all right, all right, enough of this ship.

2510
01:54:08,040 --> 01:54:09,479
Speaker 2: Let's see some old people take fails.

2511
01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:09,720
Speaker 1: Luke.

2512
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:12,040
Speaker 2: You asked for more elder abuse, and that's what you're

2513
01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:17,000
Speaker 2: gonna get. Let's go to Abwelo and why they gotta

2514
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:19,480
Speaker 2: be his fame Hill?

2515
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:28,040
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait, wait wait wait, show that again.

2516
01:54:28,120 --> 01:54:29,439
Speaker 1: What happened? What happened?

2517
01:54:29,479 --> 01:54:31,120
Speaker 2: You put a firecracker at his beer?

2518
01:54:31,240 --> 01:54:33,720
Speaker 1: Luke, Joe, show me one more time. Let me see,

2519
01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:35,320
Speaker 1: I wasn't even I was trying to listen to.

2520
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:38,640
Speaker 6: Hi Get.

2521
01:54:40,760 --> 01:54:46,960
Speaker 2: Brownie. All I heard was puta in that Luke.

2522
01:54:47,760 --> 01:54:51,160
Speaker 1: I couldn't get much. His accidents weird, but that was hilarious.

2523
01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:53,320
Speaker 2: Dude. All right, let's we got grandpa. Let's go to

2524
01:54:53,320 --> 01:54:54,560
Speaker 2: grandma hair. What do we got going on?

2525
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:56,080
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna get her ass too.

2526
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:03,120
Speaker 2: Oh no, don't shake it before you open it.

2527
01:55:03,240 --> 01:55:08,400
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus lord, Wow, that's that's BC. When they announce

2528
01:55:08,440 --> 01:55:09,640
Speaker 1: all the one fifteen or fighting.

2529
01:55:10,120 --> 01:55:12,760
Speaker 2: I can't comment on that. Hey, wedding Sason is upon us.

2530
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:14,920
Speaker 2: Just be careful if you get married where there's a

2531
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:22,560
Speaker 2: moat outside your castle. Let's check this out. Oh no, oh, Auntie,

2532
01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:23,919
Speaker 2: come on, come on, Antie.

2533
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:26,800
Speaker 1: That's that then? All right?

2534
01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:29,440
Speaker 2: All right? Well, you know, Luke, some grandpa's, you know,

2535
01:55:29,560 --> 01:55:31,560
Speaker 2: used to be daredevils in their day, and sometimes they

2536
01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:34,160
Speaker 2: come out of retirement. Let's let's let's see this guy

2537
01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:38,720
Speaker 2: freaking way. You better be careful. I can't even do that.

2538
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:40,600
Speaker 2: I've been doing this for years.

2539
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:45,640
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, yeah, grandpa, what happened?

2540
01:55:45,800 --> 01:55:46,160
Speaker 3: Oh?

2541
01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:47,640
Speaker 2: Come on, where's the ending? Are we doing?

2542
01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:48,160
Speaker 1: What are we doing?

2543
01:55:48,200 --> 01:55:48,400
Speaker 3: Guys?

2544
01:55:48,480 --> 01:55:49,160
Speaker 1: Let's get this sun.

2545
01:55:50,600 --> 01:55:53,880
Speaker 2: Maybe they're censoring me already. He saw the that's the clip.

2546
01:55:54,440 --> 01:55:57,200
Speaker 2: The ending is he he crashes, but before he hits

2547
01:55:57,240 --> 01:55:59,000
Speaker 2: the ground they show him in a wheelchair afterwards in

2548
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:01,360
Speaker 2: the hospital, Luke, and he's got full bandages. So poor

2549
01:56:01,400 --> 01:56:01,760
Speaker 2: old guy.

2550
01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:05,240
Speaker 1: All right, all right, well that clip? Uh maybe next time,

2551
01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:05,840
Speaker 1: get the right click.

2552
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:08,200
Speaker 2: Somebody shaved the end of it, Luke, maybe to protect

2553
01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:10,760
Speaker 2: us from anything. But uh, you know, let's go to

2554
01:56:10,760 --> 01:56:14,080
Speaker 2: the pool here. I know Graham's used to dive in

2555
01:56:14,160 --> 01:56:14,680
Speaker 2: high school.

2556
01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:17,360
Speaker 1: But look at these over eager whites.

2557
01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:24,960
Speaker 2: Oh oh wow.

2558
01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:28,040
Speaker 1: Well all these guys think they're justin gaetchee after knocking

2559
01:56:28,080 --> 01:56:29,440
Speaker 1: out Michael Johnson or something.

2560
01:56:29,560 --> 01:56:32,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're not. If we're gonna have old guy fails,

2561
01:56:32,400 --> 01:56:32,920
Speaker 2: and old.

2562
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:36,040
Speaker 1: Guy probably shattered his fucking ribs doing this, bob and.

2563
01:56:36,120 --> 01:56:38,840
Speaker 2: Probably shit his pants too, but he deserved it, Luke,

2564
01:56:39,560 --> 01:56:41,720
Speaker 2: if we're gonna have some elderbuse, we need some hashtag

2565
01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:44,560
Speaker 2: old guy wins to balance it out. Luke, check out

2566
01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:51,280
Speaker 2: this old guy at the bullfight. You know when you

2567
01:56:51,320 --> 01:56:52,520
Speaker 2: gotta go, you gotta go.

2568
01:56:52,920 --> 01:56:57,640
Speaker 1: Dude, What the f he's just peeing on this guy?

2569
01:56:58,240 --> 01:56:59,880
Speaker 2: Hey man, watch the leather?

2570
01:57:04,240 --> 01:57:06,440
Speaker 1: Is that you in nineteen ninety nine at the local

2571
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:07,520
Speaker 1: movie theater? Yeah?

2572
01:57:07,560 --> 01:57:09,720
Speaker 2: Pretty much? Look at that the piece on that old guy,

2573
01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:10,520
Speaker 2: the rug on top.

2574
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:10,720
Speaker 3: Two.

2575
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:14,080
Speaker 2: Wow, that's great. That is great. All right? Another old

2576
01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:17,960
Speaker 2: guy went at the playground. Let's check this out. This

2577
01:57:18,040 --> 01:57:24,760
Speaker 2: could have been disastrous, but this guy's a legend. Let's see, Yo,

2578
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:26,680
Speaker 2: that's what I'm talking about. A buelo.

2579
01:57:26,920 --> 01:57:30,280
Speaker 1: Yup, Grandpa stuck the landing, bro. Look at him.

2580
01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:32,120
Speaker 2: Big win for puppy.

2581
01:57:32,200 --> 01:57:32,400
Speaker 1: There.

2582
01:57:32,520 --> 01:57:39,000
Speaker 2: Ah, let's go over to me, Ma, If a buelo

2583
01:57:39,120 --> 01:57:40,680
Speaker 2: can win big, so can she. Luke.

2584
01:57:40,880 --> 01:57:43,400
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, I don't even want to think about the

2585
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:49,120
Speaker 1: implications of this. This is it's like you don't even

2586
01:57:49,120 --> 01:57:51,520
Speaker 1: need that party trick anymore, and quit bending your chink

2587
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:52,320
Speaker 1: claws when you do this.

2588
01:57:53,040 --> 01:57:55,320
Speaker 2: Okay, let's can we clean up the ground after that?

2589
01:57:55,800 --> 01:57:56,000
Speaker 3: Luke?

2590
01:57:56,080 --> 01:57:58,960
Speaker 2: If I win, okay, bet, this is the concert I'm

2591
01:57:58,960 --> 01:58:01,360
Speaker 2: taking you too. These old bastards.

2592
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:06,400
Speaker 1: Oh, the snake handlers, Yeah yeah. I used to make

2593
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:08,120
Speaker 1: fun of people who are really religious in high school.

2594
01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:09,920
Speaker 1: I'd ask him, you know how many times you had

2595
01:58:09,960 --> 01:58:14,080
Speaker 1: to inject anti venom? Oh? Dude, the whites they love.

2596
01:58:14,280 --> 01:58:16,400
Speaker 1: They love handling the serpents, don't they.

2597
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:19,200
Speaker 2: Yep, Hey, Lucas, time for another Hall of Fame induction

2598
01:58:19,440 --> 01:58:23,920
Speaker 2: into my personal heroes, the hashtag lifting gloves hof. Here's

2599
01:58:23,960 --> 01:58:26,360
Speaker 2: Showtime Sports stars Steven Jackson.

2600
01:58:26,600 --> 01:58:29,000
Speaker 1: I know, I was like, Stack, what are we doing? Bro?

2601
01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:31,880
Speaker 2: Dude, he's cut for like forty five Look at that.

2602
01:58:32,320 --> 01:58:34,440
Speaker 1: He's a pro athlete or you know, he's obviously retired,

2603
01:58:34,440 --> 01:58:36,200
Speaker 1: but he was a pro athlete and a good one

2604
01:58:36,240 --> 01:58:38,480
Speaker 1: at that high level one. You know, I would say this,

2605
01:58:38,760 --> 01:58:40,040
Speaker 1: you got you gotta get a little bit of a

2606
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:41,640
Speaker 1: stretch on the lats to get the most out of

2607
01:58:41,680 --> 01:58:42,960
Speaker 1: the workout. But he's killing it.

2608
01:58:43,840 --> 01:58:46,000
Speaker 2: If we end up working with him and any fight's

2609
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:47,320
Speaker 2: coming up, I'm gonna ask him if he's on the

2610
01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:49,560
Speaker 2: gear straight up on camera, Luke, Okay.

2611
01:58:49,480 --> 01:58:52,040
Speaker 1: All right, do it and if he body slams you,

2612
01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:53,480
Speaker 1: I will enjoy it.

2613
01:58:54,120 --> 01:58:56,360
Speaker 2: Hey, Luke, Creed three is in theaters. I did not

2614
01:58:56,440 --> 01:58:58,400
Speaker 2: see it yet, so no spoiler alerts here. I will

2615
01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:00,440
Speaker 2: see it with my kids. But I Kurt de la

2616
01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:03,280
Speaker 2: Hoya attended the premiere and he's got a great idea

2617
01:59:03,320 --> 01:59:04,480
Speaker 2: for Creed four.

2618
01:59:04,720 --> 01:59:07,920
Speaker 5: That he's they're portraying like the Latinos are in the

2619
01:59:07,960 --> 01:59:09,000
Speaker 5: Creed franchise.

2620
01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:12,000
Speaker 2: Maybe I can now be the next you know who

2621
01:59:12,040 --> 01:59:20,160
Speaker 2: knows Create four. Sorry, Oscar de la Hoya. Maybe look,

2622
01:59:20,480 --> 01:59:26,840
Speaker 2: they would pay him directly in money, dollars dollars, Yes, he.

2623
01:59:26,920 --> 01:59:29,280
Speaker 1: Used to pay him. My man got some ab in

2624
01:59:29,360 --> 01:59:32,320
Speaker 1: plants and now he's very happy. Go lucky. Yeah, the

2625
01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:34,440
Speaker 1: roll their Oscar, those addies.

2626
01:59:34,440 --> 01:59:36,520
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on, Luke. He was very excited,

2627
01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:37,360
Speaker 2: though very excited.

2628
01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:39,880
Speaker 1: I guess he had some rain energy drink on the

2629
01:59:39,880 --> 01:59:40,840
Speaker 1: limo and the way there.

2630
01:59:41,080 --> 01:59:42,880
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a big fan of AG one, But

2631
01:59:43,120 --> 01:59:46,200
Speaker 2: what do you think about our CBS sports uh friend

2632
01:59:46,560 --> 01:59:50,240
Speaker 2: friend of the program h Q host bellator personality A

2633
01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:53,839
Speaker 2: G two Amanda Gara Luke speaking of Creed and Rocky

2634
01:59:54,160 --> 02:00:01,240
Speaker 2: I thought we said no spoilers, Amanda. Amanda tweets what

2635
02:00:01,400 --> 02:00:04,520
Speaker 2: is the statue of limitations on ruining movies book shows?

2636
02:00:04,760 --> 02:00:07,040
Speaker 2: Because I'm very upset someone told me Creed died in

2637
02:00:07,120 --> 02:00:09,760
Speaker 2: Rocky four? What if I wanted to watch it? And

2638
02:00:09,800 --> 02:00:12,720
Speaker 2: then she added, sorry if I'm ruining this for anyone else. Look,

2639
02:00:12,760 --> 02:00:15,120
Speaker 2: I know she listens to this show. Are you this

2640
02:00:15,160 --> 02:00:16,600
Speaker 2: is Colby Covington Territory? No?

2641
02:00:17,120 --> 02:00:19,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta tell you, Amanda. The movie came out

2642
02:00:19,560 --> 02:00:22,040
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty five. The statute of limitations for that

2643
02:00:22,160 --> 02:00:25,400
Speaker 1: was also nineteen eighty five. Its it's twenty twenty three.

2644
02:00:25,520 --> 02:00:27,440
Speaker 1: It's tough luck. I don't know what to tell you.

2645
02:00:27,640 --> 02:00:31,320
Speaker 1: Love you, Amanda. We're not going to silo our conversations

2646
02:00:31,360 --> 02:00:32,480
Speaker 1: to protect you. Good.

2647
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:35,200
Speaker 2: All right, let's keep it going, Luke. There's a new handshake.

2648
02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:37,560
Speaker 2: That's all the rage with the millennials on TikTok.

2649
02:00:38,480 --> 02:00:56,520
Speaker 6: Not my style though, Okay, Okay, this is uh.

2650
02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:50,240
Speaker 2: Always there for you.

2651
02:00:50,320 --> 02:00:52,560
Speaker 1: What happened to our MK handshake that came through the

2652
02:00:52,920 --> 02:00:54,040
Speaker 1: Remember that we used to do that?

2653
02:00:54,440 --> 02:00:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did it once and it was weird, so

2654
02:00:56,240 --> 02:00:57,600
Speaker 2: I know we never did it again. And I'm not

2655
02:00:57,640 --> 02:00:59,600
Speaker 2: doing that one with you. Luke, Okay, I'm not. I

2656
02:00:59,640 --> 02:01:02,000
Speaker 2: don't don't do that. How about a few chick fails

2657
02:01:02,040 --> 02:01:06,600
Speaker 2: to satiate the appetite. Let's go to the deadlift competition here.

2658
02:01:06,960 --> 02:01:08,000
Speaker 1: That's not deadlifting.

2659
02:01:08,080 --> 02:01:11,960
Speaker 2: That's uh, it's not live lifting either, Luke. She I

2660
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:13,200
Speaker 2: don't know if she made it after that.

2661
02:01:13,280 --> 02:01:17,080
Speaker 1: Okay, dude, that is uh. Yeah, she was looked like

2662
02:01:17,120 --> 02:01:19,560
Speaker 1: she This looks like a weightlifting competition, So that must

2663
02:01:19,560 --> 02:01:23,840
Speaker 1: have been the jerk, Luke. Maybe maybe, maybe not.

2664
02:01:24,160 --> 02:01:26,280
Speaker 2: Maybe you're the jerk. I know you're. Three of your

2665
02:01:26,280 --> 02:01:29,800
Speaker 2: favorite things in this world are bbl's basketball and tiny bicycles.

2666
02:01:29,880 --> 02:01:31,160
Speaker 2: Let's let's combine them together.

2667
02:01:34,920 --> 02:01:39,800
Speaker 1: This is elite internet content. Oh yeah, what happened?

2668
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:45,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so many fails, Luke. We need more wins. Hey,

2669
02:01:45,800 --> 02:01:48,160
Speaker 2: let's go back to John Jones at UFC two eighty five.

2670
02:01:48,400 --> 02:01:51,839
Speaker 2: There's a developing theme here involving dancing with the stars,

2671
02:01:51,880 --> 02:01:55,600
Speaker 2: but John came back triumphantly. He deserves the chance to dance.

2672
02:01:56,040 --> 02:01:58,320
Speaker 2: Here is before the fight, when he caught up with

2673
02:01:58,400 --> 02:02:00,960
Speaker 2: a champ he respects. Bounce a chip Cheko. How did

2674
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:01,480
Speaker 2: he do, Luke?

2675
02:02:02,480 --> 02:02:03,040
Speaker 1: Let's see?

2676
02:02:05,600 --> 02:02:07,880
Speaker 2: Did he curse her here by doing the Valentina victory

2677
02:02:07,960 --> 02:02:08,680
Speaker 2: dance in front of her?

2678
02:02:09,200 --> 02:02:16,640
Speaker 1: Let's see? I mean he just spun around. He didn't.

2679
02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

2680
02:02:17,560 --> 02:02:19,520
Speaker 2: Well, he gets a little bit more groovy here with

2681
02:02:19,560 --> 02:02:21,880
Speaker 2: Grandma habib. Let's check it out, Luke. He has reason

2682
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:27,000
Speaker 2: to dance. This was his weekend. Okay, dude, we don't

2683
02:02:27,000 --> 02:02:29,560
Speaker 2: talk enough about Grandma Habie being like the best mascot

2684
02:02:29,600 --> 02:02:31,480
Speaker 2: in all of all of mixed martial arts.

2685
02:02:31,560 --> 02:02:35,040
Speaker 1: Right now, who was that elderly woman who was like

2686
02:02:35,080 --> 02:02:38,760
Speaker 1: the mascot for like that college basketball team, and she

2687
02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:40,160
Speaker 1: was like sitting courtside on the.

2688
02:02:40,160 --> 02:02:42,560
Speaker 2: Mart Oh yeah, I vaguely remember that.

2689
02:02:42,640 --> 02:02:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, sister or sister something? She was something Catholic related.

2690
02:02:45,840 --> 02:02:48,880
Speaker 2: To Yeah, you're right, you're right, Well John Jones loose dancing,

2691
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:52,040
Speaker 2: Luke continued. After the is it the press conference or way?

2692
02:02:52,080 --> 02:02:56,000
Speaker 2: And let's continue it? Oh yeah, look, it was a

2693
02:02:56,200 --> 02:02:58,560
Speaker 2: it was a week long part. Seriously, no jokes aside.

2694
02:02:58,680 --> 02:03:01,200
Speaker 2: It was love and or hate him. Luke, it was

2695
02:03:01,240 --> 02:03:03,560
Speaker 2: great to see him happy and back doing what he loves.

2696
02:03:03,600 --> 02:03:05,120
Speaker 2: There's the dance and then I don't know if you

2697
02:03:05,160 --> 02:03:07,480
Speaker 2: saw the dance in the octagon after the win too, Luke,

2698
02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:08,240
Speaker 2: did you?

2699
02:03:08,960 --> 02:03:13,720
Speaker 1: I don't think I did. Oh, there it is? I mean,

2700
02:03:13,760 --> 02:03:15,800
Speaker 1: are you happy dancing? A lot of dancing?

2701
02:03:16,440 --> 02:03:18,000
Speaker 2: Would you say you're happy for him if you look

2702
02:03:18,080 --> 02:03:19,440
Speaker 2: back on your forties? Are you happy for him?

2703
02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:19,680
Speaker 1: Luke?

2704
02:03:20,240 --> 02:03:20,400
Speaker 6: Uh?

2705
02:03:20,800 --> 02:03:22,680
Speaker 1: And I see what you're doing. Let's get some bits.

2706
02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:24,080
Speaker 1: But what I was going to say is I don't

2707
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:26,680
Speaker 1: wish poorly for him, but like to me, you know

2708
02:03:26,720 --> 02:03:27,960
Speaker 1: you want me to be happy for him. I'll be

2709
02:03:27,960 --> 02:03:29,840
Speaker 1: happy for him when he makes substance of change in

2710
02:03:29,840 --> 02:03:30,840
Speaker 1: his life. How about that?

2711
02:03:30,920 --> 02:03:33,320
Speaker 2: So if I had asked you to send him a

2712
02:03:33,360 --> 02:03:34,960
Speaker 2: video encouraging him, would you have done it?

2713
02:03:35,440 --> 02:03:36,560
Speaker 1: No? Absolutely?

2714
02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:36,640
Speaker 2: Not?

2715
02:03:36,760 --> 02:03:37,080
Speaker 1: All right?

2716
02:03:37,120 --> 02:03:40,040
Speaker 2: Well, someone really famous did? Dana White shared it on Instagram.

2717
02:03:40,040 --> 02:03:42,720
Speaker 2: Here it is Luke, one goat to another.

2718
02:03:43,120 --> 02:03:43,640
Speaker 1: Hey, John.

2719
02:03:43,920 --> 02:03:46,120
Speaker 3: I wanted to say, welcome back to the main stage.

2720
02:03:46,840 --> 02:03:48,640
Speaker 3: It's great to see the goat doing what he does

2721
02:03:48,680 --> 02:03:50,440
Speaker 3: best and doing what he's meant to do. So I

2722
02:03:50,440 --> 02:03:51,800
Speaker 3: thought seven titles.

2723
02:03:51,480 --> 02:03:51,960
Speaker 1: Was a lot.

2724
02:03:52,440 --> 02:03:55,920
Speaker 3: You've doubled it, man, and I know Tonight's not going

2725
02:03:56,000 --> 02:03:58,000
Speaker 3: to be easy, Sarah gon stand on the other side

2726
02:03:58,040 --> 02:04:01,360
Speaker 3: of that octagon. He's a bad man. It's going to

2727
02:04:01,360 --> 02:04:03,560
Speaker 3: be an incredible fight. Dana knows how to put on

2728
02:04:03,640 --> 02:04:05,760
Speaker 3: a great show as always, and I would miss was

2729
02:04:05,960 --> 02:04:07,960
Speaker 3: one for the world. I'm gonna be there watching. Good

2730
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:11,040
Speaker 3: luck to both you guys tonight and John. Congrats on

2731
02:04:11,160 --> 02:04:14,560
Speaker 3: an amazing career of greatness. Let's fucking go.

2732
02:04:17,320 --> 02:04:20,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, look, let's fucking go. Do you think they

2733
02:04:20,160 --> 02:04:21,640
Speaker 2: go to ieswat Chubb parties together?

2734
02:04:23,240 --> 02:04:23,320
Speaker 3: No?

2735
02:04:23,640 --> 02:04:26,240
Speaker 1: I hope. Okay. Hey, what's the point of being that

2736
02:04:26,400 --> 02:04:28,920
Speaker 1: rich and that famous if you can't go to those parties? Right?

2737
02:04:29,400 --> 02:04:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? And why's Dana sharing that publicly? Just just for clout? Luke?

2738
02:04:33,560 --> 02:04:35,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean why else would you share it publicly?

2739
02:04:35,280 --> 02:04:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean if any old random person did it, he

2740
02:04:37,200 --> 02:04:39,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't share it. But it's TV twelve, you know, so

2741
02:04:39,120 --> 02:04:41,200
Speaker 1: all right? More you every young? Yeah, I bet, I

2742
02:04:41,200 --> 02:04:44,320
Speaker 1: bet Tommy, I bet I bet wink wink, nudge nudge.

2743
02:04:44,440 --> 02:04:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he knows a little bit something about Yeah

2744
02:04:46,840 --> 02:04:49,040
Speaker 2: he does, Luke. Let's go to more two eighty five

2745
02:04:49,120 --> 02:04:51,280
Speaker 2: random this. I do not have the picture I forgot

2746
02:04:51,360 --> 02:04:54,320
Speaker 2: it of song Keenan's face after Ian Gary took care

2747
02:04:54,360 --> 02:04:57,920
Speaker 2: of him via third round TKO. But we know, we

2748
02:04:57,960 --> 02:05:02,320
Speaker 2: know Ian Gary is has been supported by Connor McGregor.

2749
02:05:02,320 --> 02:05:05,280
Speaker 2: What do you think of this post fight celebration dance.

2750
02:05:05,120 --> 02:05:11,000
Speaker 1: Luke, Oh, now, let me ask you this because I

2751
02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:13,840
Speaker 1: never know the origin. Is McGregor the guy who made

2752
02:05:13,880 --> 02:05:16,520
Speaker 1: it up which he's often credited with, or is that

2753
02:05:16,600 --> 02:05:17,840
Speaker 1: a Vince McMahon thing.

2754
02:05:18,200 --> 02:05:21,480
Speaker 2: It's the Vince McMahon billy struck billionaire strut. Connor took

2755
02:05:21,520 --> 02:05:22,560
Speaker 2: it in his advanced Is.

2756
02:05:22,520 --> 02:05:24,800
Speaker 1: This the gritty or whatever the fuck the I don't.

2757
02:05:24,720 --> 02:05:26,920
Speaker 2: I'm not young enough or hip enough to understand what's

2758
02:05:26,960 --> 02:05:29,080
Speaker 2: going on after that. That's about it, Lucas.

2759
02:05:29,160 --> 02:05:31,480
Speaker 1: I guess we're not doing the stupid ass like Fortnite

2760
02:05:31,560 --> 02:05:32,760
Speaker 1: dances anymore, right.

2761
02:05:33,080 --> 02:05:35,200
Speaker 2: No, that was big for Taale Femala Lopez, remember when

2762
02:05:35,200 --> 02:05:36,520
Speaker 2: he was on the on the come up? And then

2763
02:05:36,800 --> 02:05:38,920
Speaker 2: I guess I'm the only one left playing Fortnite by

2764
02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:41,000
Speaker 2: the way, Luke Big, I came home to a huge

2765
02:05:41,040 --> 02:05:45,600
Speaker 2: surprise yesterday. My wife bought another Xbox and this one's

2766
02:05:45,640 --> 02:05:45,920
Speaker 2: for me.

2767
02:05:46,680 --> 02:05:49,680
Speaker 1: Now is it the new Xbox I don't know.

2768
02:05:50,120 --> 02:05:51,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I played Fortnite on it this

2769
02:05:51,920 --> 02:05:54,160
Speaker 2: morning and I you know, I finished in second place,

2770
02:05:54,280 --> 02:05:55,480
Speaker 2: you know, and I was really excited.

2771
02:05:56,440 --> 02:05:59,760
Speaker 1: I mean it, I was about to say, that's some

2772
02:06:00,240 --> 02:06:01,800
Speaker 1: forty four year old ship to be happy.

2773
02:06:01,880 --> 02:06:02,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2774
02:06:02,120 --> 02:06:04,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, a Fortnite this morning and I got second.

2775
02:06:05,040 --> 02:06:09,520
Speaker 2: It keeps it keeps my competitive spirit alive. Luke, Okay,

2776
02:06:09,680 --> 02:06:12,440
Speaker 2: all right, all right now, I don't have to fight

2777
02:06:12,440 --> 02:06:16,920
Speaker 2: with the kids over Xbox time. Okay, okay, uh Luke,

2778
02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:19,480
Speaker 2: let's continue. Did you see this face off in the crowd?

2779
02:06:19,680 --> 02:06:21,760
Speaker 2: Does this get you fired up for the future of

2780
02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:30,120
Speaker 2: the light heavyweight division or what? Jamal hill YERI prohatska.

2781
02:06:30,400 --> 02:06:33,920
Speaker 1: Bro YEARI just has seven haircuts at once. I never

2782
02:06:34,120 --> 02:06:38,200
Speaker 1: understand it. Oh yeah, I mean I'm I'm pumped for

2783
02:06:38,240 --> 02:06:39,760
Speaker 1: his return. I hope he's okay. I mean, it would

2784
02:06:39,760 --> 02:06:41,160
Speaker 1: be nice to see him back. He's I mean, he's

2785
02:06:41,200 --> 02:06:42,160
Speaker 1: fun as hell. You know.

2786
02:06:42,480 --> 02:06:44,200
Speaker 2: Would you like to see him at heavyweight against John

2787
02:06:44,240 --> 02:06:46,120
Speaker 2: Jones or that that's not I mean no, no.

2788
02:06:46,160 --> 02:06:48,000
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's get let's get him back at two

2789
02:06:48,040 --> 02:06:50,440
Speaker 1: o five and see what he's got left. There first, right,

2790
02:06:50,480 --> 02:06:50,920
Speaker 1: all right?

2791
02:06:51,000 --> 02:06:53,520
Speaker 2: Also, your boys shof cut, you know, pulled the habib,

2792
02:06:54,080 --> 02:06:57,240
Speaker 2: put the the Davy Crockett head on Joe Rogan here, Luke.

2793
02:06:57,440 --> 02:06:59,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been saying this, bro. You get mountain people

2794
02:06:59,600 --> 02:07:01,840
Speaker 1: who were dead animals on their head, you better steer

2795
02:07:01,840 --> 02:07:02,880
Speaker 1: clear of them, folks man.

2796
02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:03,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they don't.

2797
02:07:03,960 --> 02:07:05,360
Speaker 1: They don't mess around.

2798
02:07:05,960 --> 02:07:08,000
Speaker 2: It got Joe up to five foot six, Luke. It

2799
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:11,280
Speaker 2: was actually actually an improvement, you know, it was pretty good. Hey,

2800
02:07:11,280 --> 02:07:13,320
Speaker 2: why is Joe dressed like a bus boy? Is this

2801
02:07:13,360 --> 02:07:14,560
Speaker 2: is like purposeful hookers?

2802
02:07:14,560 --> 02:07:18,240
Speaker 1: That just is it a busboy? I disagree because if

2803
02:07:18,280 --> 02:07:21,400
Speaker 1: he wears the white shirt with the black suit and

2804
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:23,560
Speaker 1: then the black tie that's never actually button it's kind

2805
02:07:23,560 --> 02:07:25,720
Speaker 1: of alway unbuttoned. That's a little bus boyish. But if

2806
02:07:25,720 --> 02:07:28,200
Speaker 1: it's all black, I don't think that's bus boyish, is it.

2807
02:07:28,200 --> 02:07:30,040
Speaker 2: That's more bar back. But maybe he's just a big

2808
02:07:30,040 --> 02:07:32,640
Speaker 2: supporter of those frontline workers in the service industry. Luke,

2809
02:07:32,680 --> 02:07:33,320
Speaker 2: I can respect that.

2810
02:07:33,360 --> 02:07:35,720
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah that could be all right.

2811
02:07:35,760 --> 02:07:37,800
Speaker 2: Bo Nicol also need the guy in the balls and

2812
02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:40,120
Speaker 2: claimed he didn't. Here's the footage. If you want to

2813
02:07:40,280 --> 02:07:41,560
Speaker 2: say something, let me so.

2814
02:07:41,520 --> 02:07:43,520
Speaker 1: People were better at mean that we got to go

2815
02:07:43,560 --> 02:07:46,680
Speaker 1: back one more time. No no, no, no, no no, there

2816
02:07:46,720 --> 02:07:47,960
Speaker 1: was another one before it was.

2817
02:07:47,960 --> 02:07:50,120
Speaker 2: Another one before it. This could be my fault. I

2818
02:07:50,120 --> 02:07:52,000
Speaker 2: think it's Long Island Luke's fault. But we'll fight about

2819
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:52,320
Speaker 2: it after it.

2820
02:07:52,560 --> 02:07:55,200
Speaker 1: Hold on, So somebody said there was two depth, there

2821
02:07:55,320 --> 02:07:55,600
Speaker 1: was not.

2822
02:07:55,920 --> 02:07:57,800
Speaker 2: He got him flushing the balls, it looked, and then

2823
02:07:57,800 --> 02:07:59,480
Speaker 2: that second one was on the thigh.

2824
02:07:59,640 --> 02:08:01,640
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right.

2825
02:08:01,680 --> 02:08:03,680
Speaker 2: And somebody screwed up. It could be me And if so,

2826
02:08:03,760 --> 02:08:06,160
Speaker 2: I apologize, Luke, well we'll keep it going here. Smoke

2827
02:08:06,200 --> 02:08:08,720
Speaker 2: them if you got them time, Luke? Have you ever

2828
02:08:08,760 --> 02:08:09,840
Speaker 2: seen one this big?

2829
02:08:09,960 --> 02:08:16,000
Speaker 1: Dude? I mean, my lord, someone should whenever I see this,

2830
02:08:16,040 --> 02:08:18,480
Speaker 1: someone should just play like cool in the gang celebration

2831
02:08:18,800 --> 02:08:19,280
Speaker 1: every time.

2832
02:08:19,880 --> 02:08:20,920
Speaker 2: How do you drive with that?

2833
02:08:21,400 --> 02:08:26,760
Speaker 1: Who cares? Who gives a shit about driving anywhere? When

2834
02:08:26,760 --> 02:08:30,080
Speaker 1: you have that? Put me inside of it and just

2835
02:08:30,240 --> 02:08:31,520
Speaker 1: bury me in smoke?

2836
02:08:32,200 --> 02:08:34,800
Speaker 2: All right? Hey, it would take a good welder to

2837
02:08:34,840 --> 02:08:37,040
Speaker 2: take bong making to the next level. Check out this

2838
02:08:37,080 --> 02:08:38,560
Speaker 2: contraption and where do we find it?

2839
02:08:40,760 --> 02:08:45,280
Speaker 1: Oh, my lord, dude, where are all these people who

2840
02:08:45,320 --> 02:08:48,800
Speaker 1: are like who work with metal and or are like these?

2841
02:08:48,840 --> 02:08:52,600
Speaker 1: You know, d I y fucking mcgivers who can make

2842
02:08:52,640 --> 02:08:56,400
Speaker 1: bongs out of the most amazing things where I no

2843
02:08:56,480 --> 02:08:58,120
Speaker 1: one in my city does this. I got to move

2844
02:08:58,120 --> 02:08:59,680
Speaker 1: out west, That's what I gott You're going to move

2845
02:08:59,680 --> 02:09:00,440
Speaker 1: out west? You do.

2846
02:09:00,760 --> 02:09:04,040
Speaker 2: And you know, if we're looking to disarm the nation, Luke,

2847
02:09:04,080 --> 02:09:05,720
Speaker 2: some people want to do that, and that's up to

2848
02:09:05,800 --> 02:09:07,720
Speaker 2: your stance on it. But these are the type of

2849
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:09,960
Speaker 2: firearms I'd like to see more on the streets.

2850
02:09:10,000 --> 02:09:16,200
Speaker 1: To be fair, Yeah, you could put that barrel in

2851
02:09:16,240 --> 02:09:18,440
Speaker 1: my face all day.

2852
02:09:19,600 --> 02:09:21,800
Speaker 2: We don't need a Brady Bill for the purchase of this, Luke.

2853
02:09:21,880 --> 02:09:22,880
Speaker 2: Let's just can you should do it?

2854
02:09:22,880 --> 02:09:24,560
Speaker 1: We should do a debate show where it's like, okay,

2855
02:09:24,560 --> 02:09:26,520
Speaker 1: we're going to debate like some kind of topic. Then

2856
02:09:26,560 --> 02:09:28,640
Speaker 1: you go first and you make a great argument. Then

2857
02:09:28,680 --> 02:09:30,400
Speaker 1: I go second, and you can just put this gun

2858
02:09:30,440 --> 02:09:31,920
Speaker 1: in my face and that way I can't talk, and

2859
02:09:32,040 --> 02:09:34,280
Speaker 1: you win. But then I get high in the most

2860
02:09:34,280 --> 02:09:36,320
Speaker 1: amazing ways and then we kind of both win. You know.

2861
02:09:36,920 --> 02:09:39,520
Speaker 2: Well, look at that Twitter handle, Shannon Sharpie was the one.

2862
02:09:40,080 --> 02:09:41,720
Speaker 1: I want to put out a call if anyone knows

2863
02:09:41,720 --> 02:09:43,640
Speaker 1: a place where we can get these. I want to

2864
02:09:43,640 --> 02:09:46,000
Speaker 1: do an MK show with these in my face please?

2865
02:09:46,160 --> 02:09:49,600
Speaker 2: Oh all right, yeah, Luke. They say kids do the

2866
02:09:49,720 --> 02:09:52,680
Speaker 2: darnedest thing. Sometimes they say the darnedest things too, But

2867
02:09:53,200 --> 02:09:55,720
Speaker 2: you know, you get a superhero at a kid's birthday party.

2868
02:09:55,760 --> 02:09:57,240
Speaker 2: Everyone's getting handsy here, Luke?

2869
02:10:00,440 --> 02:10:01,240
Speaker 1: Is that bow nickel?

2870
02:10:01,600 --> 02:10:07,080
Speaker 2: Ok Hey, it's time for the daily catch. You know

2871
02:10:07,120 --> 02:10:09,200
Speaker 2: they say if you go to restaurants closer to the ocean,

2872
02:10:09,200 --> 02:10:14,080
Speaker 2: the fish, Luke tastes fresher. You know what do we

2873
02:10:14,120 --> 02:10:16,280
Speaker 2: get this time? Little carp little? Uh?

2874
02:10:16,920 --> 02:10:17,240
Speaker 1: Wow?

2875
02:10:17,400 --> 02:10:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.

2876
02:10:19,040 --> 02:10:21,000
Speaker 1: Somebody just used that and was like, you know what,

2877
02:10:21,160 --> 02:10:22,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna chuck that shit back.

2878
02:10:22,640 --> 02:10:24,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's definitely used.

2879
02:10:24,280 --> 02:10:26,200
Speaker 1: Hey, look what else would you do in this place

2880
02:10:26,200 --> 02:10:27,280
Speaker 1: where this person lives?

2881
02:10:27,360 --> 02:10:30,760
Speaker 2: I mean, you got any love for fat eye fails, Luke?

2882
02:10:31,280 --> 02:10:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.

2883
02:10:32,240 --> 02:10:34,880
Speaker 2: All right, dumb dump the dumb time. Let's do it.

2884
02:10:37,000 --> 02:10:38,040
Speaker 1: Oh, eat it, eat it?

2885
02:10:38,080 --> 02:10:38,480
Speaker 2: Okay?

2886
02:10:39,080 --> 02:10:41,400
Speaker 1: Oh god, you know yeah, why don't you put tissue

2887
02:10:41,400 --> 02:10:45,200
Speaker 1: paper below a man who weighs ten? That's a great idea.

2888
02:10:45,360 --> 02:10:47,720
Speaker 2: Why just wipe while you're down there? Guy? Okay, Grey

2889
02:10:47,880 --> 02:10:51,600
Speaker 2: Luke boxing was wild over the weekend. Here is Dezonne

2890
02:10:51,680 --> 02:10:57,360
Speaker 2: Boxing offering Eduardo Nunez with an insane one punch finish, dude.

2891
02:10:57,920 --> 02:11:03,680
Speaker 1: Oh dude, Wow, that's one of those ko's that's amazing

2892
02:11:03,720 --> 02:11:06,160
Speaker 1: to watch in real time, like a thousand times. But

2893
02:11:06,200 --> 02:11:10,480
Speaker 1: then you're also like, is that guy paralyzed? Is he realized?

2894
02:11:10,520 --> 02:11:11,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, dude.

2895
02:11:11,640 --> 02:11:15,560
Speaker 2: That's like almost shades of uh Marciano against was it

2896
02:11:15,640 --> 02:11:17,720
Speaker 2: Jersey Joe Walcot? He had him with that in like

2897
02:11:17,760 --> 02:11:21,080
Speaker 2: the fourteenth round, that right hand. That just god lord,

2898
02:11:21,120 --> 02:11:24,280
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone's ever compared Eduardo noonez to Rocky

2899
02:11:24,320 --> 02:11:26,920
Speaker 2: Marciano before Luke. But there was still time. Hey, let's

2900
02:11:26,960 --> 02:11:29,960
Speaker 2: go to O'Hara Davies against a guy used to love

2901
02:11:30,040 --> 02:11:35,080
Speaker 2: the Sandman, Lewis Ritzen. He calls himself Jordi Glovekin and

2902
02:11:35,400 --> 02:11:44,480
Speaker 2: that body oh finished there from o'harror Davies.

2903
02:11:44,880 --> 02:11:48,080
Speaker 1: Dude, he's just writhing in agony like this rep is

2904
02:11:48,160 --> 02:11:53,360
Speaker 1: like seven yes eleven? Yeah, they say in New Mexico,

2905
02:11:53,680 --> 02:11:56,680
Speaker 1: Savin Elaven.

2906
02:11:56,120 --> 02:11:58,720
Speaker 2: Yes twelve and uh, Luke, you and I were on

2907
02:11:58,760 --> 02:12:01,640
Speaker 2: the call for these showtime Bit of Boxing prelims on Saturday.

2908
02:12:01,640 --> 02:12:06,600
Speaker 2: Here's twenty two year old prospect trayvon Marshall sending Justin

2909
02:12:06,680 --> 02:12:10,240
Speaker 2: de Loach Stock to the land of winding ghosts.

2910
02:12:10,480 --> 02:12:13,480
Speaker 1: Watch there's a little bit of I love this elbow blocking.

2911
02:12:14,240 --> 02:12:18,760
Speaker 2: Right handed down coast to loachtock in round three.

2912
02:12:20,680 --> 02:12:22,680
Speaker 1: I love that he throws the upper cut first game,

2913
02:12:25,080 --> 02:12:26,760
Speaker 1: right hand, right after that behind it.

2914
02:12:27,400 --> 02:12:34,680
Speaker 2: Thomas Taylor has seen enough one a performance, a resounding luke,

2915
02:12:34,720 --> 02:12:37,840
Speaker 2: but the call and we delivered hell of a knockout

2916
02:12:37,880 --> 02:12:39,640
Speaker 2: from Trayvon Marshall.

2917
02:12:39,760 --> 02:12:41,880
Speaker 1: Hey from PG County, Maryland. Don't forget it.

2918
02:12:42,360 --> 02:12:45,240
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, Hey, let's go to BKFC in the UK

2919
02:12:45,800 --> 02:12:49,160
Speaker 2: way in time. Connor Tierney making a big statement on

2920
02:12:49,160 --> 02:12:49,840
Speaker 2: the scales here.

2921
02:12:49,800 --> 02:12:55,680
Speaker 1: Luke, all right, I mean, all right, there we go.

2922
02:12:55,760 --> 02:12:58,280
Speaker 2: Oh I haven't seen that type of move since the

2923
02:12:58,400 --> 02:12:59,960
Speaker 2: ninety nine Women's World Cup, Luke.

2924
02:13:00,360 --> 02:13:02,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, just showing them titties.

2925
02:13:02,800 --> 02:13:09,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, Okay. He took on some guy called

2926
02:13:09,560 --> 02:13:12,040
Speaker 2: the Gypsy and I'm sure it got gross. All right.

2927
02:13:12,880 --> 02:13:15,240
Speaker 2: Look a couple more to close here. There's a thing

2928
02:13:15,280 --> 02:13:17,560
Speaker 2: called town pump rewards, you know, like you could do

2929
02:13:17,600 --> 02:13:20,000
Speaker 2: it at Cumberland Farms too. If you buy enough gas

2930
02:13:20,040 --> 02:13:22,960
Speaker 2: you get discounts off the food that'll kill you. This

2931
02:13:23,200 --> 02:13:27,360
Speaker 2: is probably the greatest white trash combo offer. And the

2932
02:13:27,440 --> 02:13:29,160
Speaker 2: history of gas station delight.

2933
02:13:29,440 --> 02:13:33,360
Speaker 1: Check it out by two bush light, twenty five ouncers.

2934
02:13:33,360 --> 02:13:36,120
Speaker 1: So that's basically like a tall boy and two corn

2935
02:13:36,160 --> 02:13:39,160
Speaker 1: dogs for five dollars coffin.

2936
02:13:41,000 --> 02:13:43,600
Speaker 2: Look, that's a party in a package right there. If

2937
02:13:43,600 --> 02:13:45,000
Speaker 2: you ask me, wow.

2938
02:13:46,760 --> 02:13:49,839
Speaker 1: To get to get beast light and two corn dogs?

2939
02:13:49,880 --> 02:13:52,880
Speaker 1: That is that's that's Americana ladies and gentlemen.

2940
02:13:53,080 --> 02:13:56,000
Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Hey, it's boat time. Co two more for the road. Here,

2941
02:13:56,080 --> 02:13:58,440
Speaker 2: let's go out to the boats, Luke. You know, people

2942
02:13:58,480 --> 02:14:01,640
Speaker 2: get drink, they get drunk, they get partying, they start climbing.

2943
02:14:05,600 --> 02:14:07,120
Speaker 1: Here we go. Oh yeah, eat it.

2944
02:14:09,600 --> 02:14:11,120
Speaker 2: I think he kicked that lady in the face.

2945
02:14:11,240 --> 02:14:13,720
Speaker 1: This is great. Yeah, why don't you stub your toe

2946
02:14:13,840 --> 02:14:21,959
Speaker 1: and by the way, cut your hair. You're fifty.

2947
02:14:21,240 --> 02:14:24,160
Speaker 2: Uh, Luke, Apparently this is our final clip of the week.

2948
02:14:24,400 --> 02:14:27,680
Speaker 2: Apparently white men can jump. The only problem is they

2949
02:14:27,680 --> 02:14:29,360
Speaker 2: won't be having kids anytime soon.

2950
02:14:29,560 --> 02:14:30,240
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

2951
02:14:30,360 --> 02:14:30,560
Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Like, oh my, there it is, Luke. There's your ship

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Speaker 2: of the week. What are you making?

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Speaker 1: This is what you get, you little piece of shit

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Speaker 1: for wanting to dunk you dumb fuck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like high school. I dunked with Ease on

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Speaker 2: the math team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, I've never ever said I dunked with Ease.

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Speaker 1: But what I did say was, we gotta remember, dude,

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Speaker 1: I've been this tall since I was sixteen, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I really thought I'm gonna be six nine. You know,

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Speaker 1: I really thought it would be six to nine. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'm tall. I'm six foot four, but

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Speaker 1: I've been six foot four for a long time. You

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Hell, yeah, Luke, I'd go to offer that the last

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Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty six minutes that we gave the

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Speaker 2: audience was I'd say it's a top forty five show

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Speaker 2: in MK history.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty good. It's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: To think about the shit. We're getting better. We're going

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Speaker 2: in the right.

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Speaker 1: Direct, much better, much better this time, a little bit

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Speaker 1: of levity to it. I liked it. I liked it.

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Speaker 2: I like a little that shout out to Jeremy Oakman,

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Speaker 2: my guy who fills me up a lot a lot

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Speaker 2: of other people out there. Bellaw, I see all the

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Speaker 2: people they send me, all that shit they sent me

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Speaker 2: ones we've already used, Luke. But whatever, it's fine, you know.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's remind everyone thumbs up. If you haven't

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Speaker 1: already given the video thumbs up, hit subscribe if you haven't.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to all the folks who are new. You can

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Speaker 1: follow us on social here. Reminder of course, Belltore is

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Speaker 1: back on Showtime this Saturday. Plus by the way, Tim

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Speaker 1: Friday this weekend as well.

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Speaker 2: Luketo, it's Friday night Belatur I believe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Friday night for Bela tour Saturday, I believe, or

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Speaker 1: for Tim Zoo Antony Harrison, which will be fun. But

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Speaker 1: you got to get show Time to get it. So

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Speaker 1: Coombat at gmail dot com for the folks who want

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Speaker 1: to reach the show. I got a quick little thought.

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Speaker 2: I got a quick little chat with Australia's Tim Zoo today, Luke.

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Speaker 1: Not looking forward to it? Yeah, very good. Do we

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Speaker 1: want to tell them about Wednesday because we don't really

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Speaker 1: fully have a plan yet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So here's the deal. The press tour is hitting

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Speaker 2: this week. It's going to be Gravante Davids, It's going

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Speaker 2: to be Ryan Garcia, head of course of the April

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Speaker 2: twenty second Showtime pay per view showdown that the world

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Speaker 2: will be watching, and Luke Thomas, You and I Wednesday

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Speaker 2: will be in New York City as the UH hosting

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Speaker 2: the stream broadcast of this press conference. It'll be it'll

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Speaker 2: be happening during though the MK Live window. So I

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Speaker 2: think we got a nice piece of content to give

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Speaker 2: the people to hold them over though Wednesday at eleven am.

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Speaker 1: E is that the truth we will hasn't I don't

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Speaker 1: want to say exactly what it is because there's still

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Speaker 1: some issues about getting it ready. It will be ready,

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Speaker 1: but like there's some questions about all the stuff that

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Speaker 1: has to go into it, so there will be something

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Speaker 1: for everyone. Obviously we're going to have you know, we'll

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Speaker 1: be there at the Garcia and Ryan presser. So I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry Garcia and Davis presser. I apologize. A New York City,

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Speaker 1: New York Wednesday should be a lot of fun. All right,

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Speaker 1: b C great show today. That's it for us. So

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Speaker 1: let's thank Malca, Let's thank CBS Sports, Let's thank Showtime

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Speaker 1: and everyone else who watched today. We appreciate it. Enjoy

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Speaker 1: the rest of your day. We're out, and until next

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Speaker 1: time you all of your gains be loyal.