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Speaker 1: we bring in Nick. Right, let's start with this. This.
Speaker 1: Most of my life in college football, I feel like
Speaker 1: by mid October I know who's going to play for
Speaker 1: the National championship, barring some big upset. I honestly believe
Speaker 1: there's five teams in the league. They have all sorts
Speaker 1: of great and they've separated from the league Kansas City, Miami, Buffalo,
Speaker 1: San Francisco, and Philly. I think Dallas has three great players,
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb, Micah Parsons and Trayvon Diggs, and they've lost one.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're a great team because they don't
Speaker 1: have a great quarterback or a great coach. Generally, in
Speaker 1: this league, three things make you great. A great coach,
Speaker 1: a great quarterback, and a great pass rusher. That's why
Speaker 1: I never worried about the Chiefs in their opening loss.
Speaker 1: And their defense is going to be sensational. It's why
Speaker 1: if Burrow could get it right now, they won tonight.
Speaker 1: If Burrow could get it right, you know they've got
Speaker 1: I think, a smart young coach, a great quarterback, and
Speaker 1: a great edge rusher who had a field day against
Speaker 1: the backup tackle for the Rams. I honestly think there's
Speaker 1: five teams in this league. Like Philadelphia's roster is great,
Speaker 1: San Francisco's roster is great. Josh Allen is just a
Speaker 1: tornado of activity. I mean He's just a massive game
Speaker 1: changing athlete, and they have a good defense. Miami's offense
Speaker 1: is like a track meet, and Kansas City's got the
Speaker 1: best coaching quarterback on the planet. After that, I think
Speaker 1: as quarterback becomes more important and pass rusher due to
Speaker 1: the importance of the quarterback becomes more centric to the
Speaker 1: winning in this sport, there's a big gap. There's a
Speaker 1: big gap.
Speaker 2: I listen, I think I would include Dallas in the
Speaker 2: group that you have because I think whatever questions you
Speaker 2: have about Dak, I think you've got to have the same,
Speaker 2: if not more, about Purdy. Now we can say Shanahan
Speaker 2: is a far greater coach than Mike McCarthy. The Mike
Speaker 2: McCarthy fans would say, well, you know, Mike McCarthy's actually
Speaker 2: won a Super Bowl. Kyle Shanahan, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: has not. But I do think Shanahan obviously is a
Speaker 2: more you know, innovative play designer and things. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think he's a better coach than Mike McCarthy. What
Speaker 2: I think is interesting about your group of teams is
Speaker 2: there are the Miami piece of it is so fascinating
Speaker 2: because they just scored seventy points, and it looked like
Speaker 2: it was easy. They theoretically have Jalen Ramsey coming back.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if he will, but you know, they
Speaker 2: seem to believe he will. They have, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: a top three coach, certainly a top three offensive coach,
Speaker 2: and Mike McDaniel a decordinator kind of in the mold
Speaker 2: of In my opinion, what the Chiefs did was Spagnolo
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, you were a great defensive coordinator. It
Speaker 2: got you a head coaching job, and Vic Fangio that
Speaker 2: didn't work out. This is what supposed to be. Some
Speaker 2: people are just made to be coordinators, and Vic Fangio
Speaker 2: is that. So they check all these boxes and the
Speaker 2: one obvious kind of you know, ominous cloud over them
Speaker 2: is to his health. And everybody's nervous about it. So
Speaker 2: here's what I said today, and I'm curious your thoughts
Speaker 2: on it. Let me throw a hypothetical at you. If
Speaker 2: the Miami Dolphins were in the midst of a contract
Speaker 2: negotiation with TUA and they had it ninety percent done,
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, we're haggling over just the fine print.
Speaker 2: We'll get it done the next few days. And then
Speaker 2: he suffered a major concussion this past week. Would they
Speaker 2: freeze the negotiation, I argue they would. Okay, well, they
Speaker 2: broke off negotiations with him before the year started. Herbert
Speaker 2: got his deal, Burrow got his deal, Lamar got his deal.
Speaker 2: Tua just hung seventy on a team. Tua talk about
Speaker 2: should have his agent. Dolphins would be like, guys, we
Speaker 2: need to open those negotiations, and we need to do
Speaker 2: it right now because while you, guys, you're the reason
Speaker 2: you don't want to is because of my client's health.
Speaker 2: Got it. The reason we're demanding we do it is
Speaker 2: because of my client's health. You think you can win
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl? We think you can win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: We would like that contract right now. We've never seen
Speaker 2: a quarterback do it. But if if to his agent
Speaker 2: were to say, give us the rationale, why Justin Herbert
Speaker 2: deserves a contract, my guy doesn't. There isn't one same draft,
Speaker 2: So there are accomplishments.
Speaker 1: There is one if you were great and I was great,
Speaker 1: but you didn't show up as regularly and there were
Speaker 1: concerns I with a we had about your health because
Speaker 1: of a lifestyle. Now, obviously football, it's just a matter
Speaker 1: of getting tackled. Yes, but if there was, people said,
Speaker 1: you know this, Nick's just not dependable, Uh physically sure, right.
Speaker 2: I agree with that entire I know, maybe I said
Speaker 2: because Herber, no, Herbert doesn't have that issue, and Herbert
Speaker 2: I totally agree. But the point I'm making is that
Speaker 2: issue almost cuts both ways in this regard. That is
Speaker 2: a concern of the Dolphins, it is also a concern
Speaker 2: of I'm sure of Tua, which is why if there
Speaker 2: was ever a player that should be fucking cutthroat about
Speaker 2: his negotiation, it's Tua who should say you guys, you
Speaker 2: guys want to blow up this special team that could
Speaker 2: win a Super Bowl. What do you think the Dolphins
Speaker 2: would do if he said, I want a contractor I'm
Speaker 2: not playing Sunday. Sunday one PM's the deadline. Would they
Speaker 2: blow their season up? Ord they swallow hard and pay him.
Speaker 2: I think they'd swallow hard and pay him. The other thing, too,
Speaker 2: is going for him is, Guys, since I've been here,
Speaker 2: you've tried to trade for Tom Brady or acquire Tom Brady,
Speaker 2: trade for Deshaun Watson, Russell Wilson, You've flirted with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2: I'm now dropping seventy on people you've shown no loyalty
Speaker 2: to me. I would like my goddamn money, and I'd
Speaker 2: just be very curious what they do. I'd be very
Speaker 2: curious what they do.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: I think they really like him, and he is. His
Speaker 1: comp was Drew Brees, and you're seeing a lot of it.
Speaker 1: He's a very quick, accurate distributor of the football. Not
Speaker 1: terribly big, not great downfield. That's why they got him.
Speaker 1: Guys that are good after the catch, like Jalen Waddle
Speaker 1: and Tyreek Hill, they're very good after the catch, so
Speaker 1: I think they've managed them well. He's an easy guy
Speaker 1: to root for. He was crapped on by Brian Flores
Speaker 1: the concussion issue. I hope he gets paid. I would
Speaker 1: really struggle to pay him too. I do believe he
Speaker 1: would give. He's the kind of guy Herbert did this.
Speaker 1: He would give the team a team friendly deal if
Speaker 1: they said, listen, we'll pay early, but you got to
Speaker 1: give us. We can't get trapped for six years if
Speaker 1: you go down. Correct.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he should walk in there and say
Speaker 2: I need a fully guaranteed contract. Or would be the
Speaker 2: highest paid player ever, but he has just the fifth
Speaker 2: year option. He has twenty million guaranteed for next season
Speaker 2: and that's it for the rest of his contract. And
Speaker 2: at one point, like you threw up that scenario of
Speaker 2: you and me at work. Okay, let's just say that
Speaker 2: exact scenario or to exist. And all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you know, our employer was in the midst of what
Speaker 2: they considered, Oh my god, this might be the greatest
Speaker 2: year we've had in thirty years. And it's because of Nick.
Speaker 2: I might walk into the office and be like, you
Speaker 2: might be worried about my drinking and my gambling, but
Speaker 2: I'm not showing up next week if you don't pay
Speaker 2: me more. And let's just call my bluff if you want.
Speaker 2: But like, so, the NFL's very cutthroat, and we know
Speaker 2: that when Trayvon Diggs got hurt. One of the first
Speaker 2: it happened while I was on the air, and one
Speaker 2: of the first things I did was Google. I was like,
Speaker 2: didn't he just sign a new deal? And I saw
Speaker 2: he did, and I was like, good, It's like, thank goodness,
Speaker 2: I'm happy that he got paid two months ago. And
Speaker 2: then I thought about it. I was like, man, if
Speaker 2: I'm toua, I've got a lot of leverage. We're scoring,
Speaker 2: We're taking knees and still scoring seventy. I might tell him, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, one hundred million guaranteed, you know, five years? Yeah,
Speaker 2: now you know something like that. Yeah, where I have
Speaker 2: some real safety. Yeah, you could get it right now. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I I would consider that because one hundred million
Speaker 1: is massively under the market. And if I said, listen,
Speaker 1: we'll give you a year extension, we'll rework it. This
Speaker 1: is massively under the market, but we want to take
Speaker 1: care of you for life. Here's one hundred million in
Speaker 1: the state of Florida with no tax.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a three year, one hundred and twenty million
Speaker 2: dollar something like that, and where there's.
Speaker 1: Some yeah, I would do that as a GM also
Speaker 1: with a big signing bonus. It's not punitive if you
Speaker 1: left in a year. I got one year and I
Speaker 1: got two left. I just traft him too, a quarterback.
Speaker 1: I'm not paying him anything. But what you worry about
Speaker 1: is five years. That is Sean Watson. You can't get
Speaker 1: out of that thing.
Speaker 2: Can't get can't get out now.
Speaker 1: But I do think I think there is some I
Speaker 1: do think because Tua has had a rough road, he's
Speaker 1: a good person, he's having a great season, and he's beloved.
Speaker 1: I do think there is value where you say, guys,
Speaker 1: let's do a three deal. We all know the elephant
Speaker 1: in the room. It's no longer an elephant. We're discussing it.
Speaker 1: We'll set him up for life, but we're not going
Speaker 1: to do four and five years and it's gonna be
Speaker 1: below market. And I, by the way, that's a gamble
Speaker 1: by Tua. But I also think he's not money driven.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: Well, I think there's different types of gambles. Like I again,
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to this is maybe a personal example,
Speaker 2: but I'll use it. And it's very different. I understand.
Speaker 2: I have every contract I've ever signed, I've signed super early.
Speaker 2: I've signed way earlier than I had to because I
Speaker 2: really really valued it was different things. It was like
Speaker 2: I had just moved to Houston to do radio, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, if I just bought a house, like I'm
Speaker 2: not going to try to maximize dollars on maximized security.
Speaker 2: I had just moved to New York and put my
Speaker 2: kids in private school. I'm like, I just wanted safety
Speaker 2: and security. There's different times that you value different things
Speaker 2: and then there's times where it's like, you know what,
Speaker 2: been making a lot of money for a long time,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty set up. I want it now. I want
Speaker 2: to maximize as many dollars as possible. I did. People
Speaker 2: reach different places in it. It makes sense for let
Speaker 2: me let Joe Burrow, who seemed willing to take that
Speaker 2: contract negotiation to the you know, the day before the
Speaker 2: season started, because he's like, you know what, I was
Speaker 2: the number one overall pick. I have all this money already.
Speaker 2: Even if I were to suffer a major injury, you
Speaker 2: would have the whole league lining up for me. I'm
Speaker 2: going to maximize dollars. If you're TUA, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe in you know, I dreamt one day of being
Speaker 2: the highest paid player in the league. But there was
Speaker 2: a time nine months ago I thought, am I never
Speaker 2: playing football again? Okay? Well, in that case, I value
Speaker 2: the security of you know what I mean, permanent financial stability.
Speaker 2: So I think I think it could work for all parties. Listen,
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Speaker 1: By the way, the games tonight, Philadelphia is better than Tampa.
Speaker 1: We know it. They're kind of finding their way. The
Speaker 1: Rams had a great opportunity It's interesting the Rams are
Speaker 1: in one of the They're not a huge brand in LA.
Speaker 1: They're not nearly as big as the Dodgers, USC the Lakers.
Speaker 1: They're really not. They're like fourth in town. I did
Speaker 1: not think McKay had a McVeigh had a I thought
Speaker 1: Sean McVay had a very poor night. Did not run
Speaker 1: the ball in the first half, which they've done particularly well,
Speaker 1: didn't use the screen game as they were losing protection.
Speaker 1: Stafford looked like he didn't practice. He was He missed
Speaker 1: layup after layup. I just don't think mcvayh had a
Speaker 1: good game plan.
Speaker 2: Punted on fourth and five down ten with six minutes
Speaker 2: left in one time out. I mean, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: I mean, I understand you the and now they punted
Speaker 2: on fourth and five down ten with six minutes left
Speaker 2: one time out. That guarantees if everything works out perfectly
Speaker 2: for you, you're in an on site kick game. Yeah,
Speaker 2: which is exactly what happened. Everything worked out perfect. They
Speaker 2: got the stop, they got the ball, they scored a
Speaker 2: quick touchdown. Kicking onside kick you lose.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I like McVay a lot. He was not
Speaker 2: bathe than Gloriot no.
Speaker 1: I thought Sean really struggled. I just thought he was
Speaker 1: completely off, and coaches can be off and players can
Speaker 1: be off. But I was saying this yesterday. I was
Speaker 1: talking I think it was Jason McIntyre. I said it
Speaker 1: on the air, and I texted him yesterday. It's the
Speaker 1: strongest quarterback class ever. Arizona is not the worst team.
Speaker 1: Chicago probably is. And you'd obviously take Kayleb Williams over
Speaker 1: Justin Fields and start over. That's not even a discussion Arizona.
Speaker 1: It's going to win the Arizona's gonna win three or
Speaker 1: four games, and they're just not going to be there.
Speaker 1: And they also there's also other quarterbacks. But I would
Speaker 1: not take Drake mayover Kyler Murray. I would take Caleb
Speaker 1: over everybody not named Mahomes, Josh Allen, you and I.
Speaker 2: Are the only people saying this. People thought I was
Speaker 2: out of my mind. I said that Caleb is one
Speaker 2: of the five most valuable quarterbacks alive right now. Totally
Speaker 2: like the if that if every NFL player and college
Speaker 2: player were available, Mahomes goes one. There's some debate about
Speaker 2: who goes to and Caleb goes before everyone other than
Speaker 2: maybe three people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Josh Allen goes before him. I would take Burrow
Speaker 1: before him. Although Burrell's injuries now are mounting. He can't
Speaker 1: get through a preseason. He's hurt again. It does work.
Speaker 2: I would have said Trevor three weeks ago, but I
Speaker 2: thought that Trevor's been a little disappointing. But he's on
Speaker 2: the short list. But that's that's it. Man. He goes
Speaker 2: before this is not disrespectful. He goes in a heartbeat
Speaker 2: before Hurts, before Lamar, before Tua, before that, he just does.
Speaker 2: Caleb goes before all those totally agree. I wouldn't take
Speaker 2: go ahead for Mahomes Alan Herbert. I think he's better
Speaker 2: potentially than Trevor Lawrence, but you've kind of he's a
Speaker 2: southern kid, it's a southern city. I think you go
Speaker 2: with him, and then I think it gets Then I
Speaker 2: my be the list that could. That's the list, and
Speaker 2: I would take him over at Herbert. And I would
Speaker 2: take him.
Speaker 1: Over Herbert, and I wouldn't because I think Herbert has
Speaker 1: been under coached. I mean they're on their second or
Speaker 1: third coordinator, their second coach. I think if he had
Speaker 1: a reasonable offensive coach, his numbers, I mean I watched
Speaker 1: him Sunday. He is.
Speaker 2: I mean, she didn't didn't play pretty well. He played pretty.
Speaker 1: Well and without Austin Eckler, Mike Williams late, it's just
Speaker 1: on the road.
Speaker 2: But I interrupted you. You were talking about this quarterback class.
Speaker 2: I think yeah, So I think there's about the Rams tanking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a bigger gap between Kayleb Williams, Drake May's
Speaker 1: not playing particularly well and all the other guys Bo Nicks,
Speaker 1: Michael Pennix had an injury. They're really good prospects. Caleb
Speaker 1: is transformational. So I think the Rams are a fascinating team.
Speaker 1: So Stafford's always been reckless and he's at injuries, and
Speaker 1: there's those that believe around the organization. He's not redoing
Speaker 1: his contract for them because he's gonna take all the
Speaker 1: money and split. He doesn't want to play forever. Right, Like,
Speaker 1: he's been beat up, he's made his money, he's got
Speaker 1: his ring. He's not like Brady obsessed Manning. He's just
Speaker 1: not And so they tried to rework his contract this offseason.
Speaker 1: He's like, no thanks. And one of the reasons is
Speaker 1: he's gonna take every penny. He moved down to the
Speaker 1: stranded Manhattan Beach. I was told about a place he's
Speaker 1: having a good time, and then he's gonna exit stage
Speaker 1: right here. In a couple of years, I think my
Speaker 1: guess is the Rams will draft somewhere in the middle
Speaker 1: of the first somewhere between like thirteen and seventeen. They'll
Speaker 1: finish like eight, nine to nine and eight somewhere around there,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna have a big decision to make because
Speaker 1: they've got they need a left they need a tackle,
Speaker 1: they need another defensive lineman. They've got they're pretty good
Speaker 1: at wide receiver, running back, safety, cornered. I mean, their
Speaker 1: secondary's fine. They went heavy defense on the draft this year.
Speaker 1: They have a couple of o linemen they need. But
Speaker 1: the truth is they could. They could go in the
Speaker 1: first round with a quarterback. They absolutely could, and then
Speaker 1: reset the clock go buy a left tackle. I'm fat
Speaker 1: it Like tonight's a great example. Stafford's always been to
Speaker 1: me such a hot and like sometimes he doesn't have
Speaker 1: as good stuff. He's like a pitcher. He's like a
Speaker 1: number two pitcher, like an ace. Verlander and his prime
Speaker 1: usually had his stuff, so did Kershaw. The difference between
Speaker 1: one and two the two. Guy didn't have his stuff
Speaker 1: about every fourth start, and Stafford just doesn't have it.
Speaker 1: On knights, his mechanics go sideways. He starts flipping it around.
Speaker 1: Tonight was one of those nights, and I'm fascinated to
Speaker 1: think literally bailed on golf. I don't think it's crazy
Speaker 1: to think he would move off Stafford and go draft.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well listen, I so so there's I thought the
Speaker 3: Rams should approach this year should have been we were
Speaker 3: very chested out bragged o'shus about fuck them picks.
Speaker 2: We then realized in short order kind of needed them picks.
Speaker 2: We went from winning the super Bowl to bad. They're bad,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? They just don't they have
Speaker 2: They have four awesome players and then a bunch of
Speaker 2: guys and now because mcveigh's a brilliant guy and they
Speaker 2: do you know, you find a pooka nkuah, you'd make
Speaker 2: do to that well into something you're gonna try to
Speaker 2: piece it together. I thought before the year they should
Speaker 2: have told Aaron Donald, give us four teams you'd like
Speaker 2: to play for. We'll trade you to the one that
Speaker 2: offers us the most. They should have told Cooper Cup
Speaker 2: we're actually gonna trade you any whereover gives us the
Speaker 2: best thing? You know? Do you maybe would Kansas City,
Speaker 2: have you know, if he were healthy, have given away
Speaker 2: a first round sure? If maybe? And they should have
Speaker 2: traded Stafford and they should have just said, you know what,
Speaker 2: we're sick of being We won a Super Bowl and
Speaker 2: no one in LA cares about us. What if we
Speaker 2: draft the kid from LA who just maybe won a
Speaker 2: national championship at USC and Caleb Williams and we're gonna
Speaker 2: be the worst team in FOOTB because we're gonna try
Speaker 2: to be. And by the way, the other team that
Speaker 2: everyone thinks is trying to be the worst team football,
Speaker 2: they arezon the Cardinals. We play them twice. We can
Speaker 2: make sure they have more wins than us because we
Speaker 2: can throw those down.
Speaker 1: By the way, like that, Joshua Dobbs is good enough
Speaker 1: to win games.
Speaker 2: Josh Dobbs shout out to josh Dobbs. Yeah, that's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's been solid. So that's what I thought
Speaker 2: they should have done. They didn't do it, So you're right,
Speaker 2: they're going to be okay. Right, So then the answer
Speaker 2: might be draft should or if they're drafting thirteen fourteen,
Speaker 2: if they want someone to if they want, By the way,
Speaker 2: that's not overdrafting him.
Speaker 1: No, he is.
Speaker 2: That is exactly where he's supposed to go, like middle
Speaker 2: of the first round and that. And by the way,
Speaker 2: if you're right, Stafford wants to play another year, Shadoor
Speaker 2: is probably not the type of guy you want to
Speaker 2: play immediately anyway, clean up the cap, then maybe that's
Speaker 2: when you trade away. Some people get some picks back.
Speaker 2: But the Rams, the Rams have to reset it. The Bucks,
Speaker 2: to their credit, recognized it. The Bucks, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, are taking their lumps on the dead this year.
Speaker 2: They got a quarterback making no money and they're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: we won our super Bowl. Now we're going to try
Speaker 2: to reset it. And which is why you know they didn't.
Speaker 2: I think it was smart that the Bucks didn't re
Speaker 2: sign Mike Evans. What do you resigned Mike Evans for?
Speaker 2: You just got to start over, you know. And so yeah,
Speaker 2: I think the Rams, I think drafting Caleb would have
Speaker 2: obviously been their best case scenario. I hope Caleb doesn't
Speaker 2: go to Chicago. Chicago doesn't seem to know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: No, I've said this before, It's not a coincidence that
Speaker 1: Kansas City has had Dick for Meal and Hank Stram
Speaker 1: and Marty Schottenheimer and Herm Edwards and Andy Reid. It's
Speaker 1: also not a shock they've had Lynn Dawson and Trent
Speaker 1: Green and Alex Smith and Joe Montana and Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: certain places, it's not a surprise that the Packers have
Speaker 1: had Matt Lafleur, McCarthy, Holmgren, offensive coaches, Art Star Farvan Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Certain organizations make it easier for quarterbacks to succeed. Chicago's
Speaker 1: a defensive culture, a windy, cold northern climate, where the
Speaker 1: Packers usually have a Hall of Fame quarterback. They in
Speaker 1: an era when the entire league's pivoted to offense. They
Speaker 1: went and got an unproven This is what Kansas City
Speaker 1: doesn't do. Kansas City gets for Meal, Schottenheimer, herm Andy,
Speaker 1: they go get Matt Eberfluse like time out that like it.
Speaker 1: It's not a coincidence that Kansas City's almost never terrible
Speaker 1: and almost always has a better than average coach and
Speaker 1: a competent quarterback. They didn't lock into that. The Hunt
Speaker 1: family knows what they're doing. You have an old school
Speaker 1: ownership in Chicago, a rigid, defensive culture that's outdated. They
Speaker 1: had to hire Bill Pollion to really run their quarterback
Speaker 1: or their head coach search. So I don't think Justin
Speaker 1: Fields is good, but much harder to succeed there than
Speaker 1: Kansas City or Green Bay.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, listen, I think it's Justin Fields has been
Speaker 2: set up to fail. Yes, I also think he has failed. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it was, it was. It was bizarre the offseason
Speaker 2: commentary surrounding him and the Bears. The Bears, the Bears
Speaker 2: preseason Vegas win total was seven and a half, and
Speaker 2: I just remember thinking about it. I was like, if
Speaker 2: the Bears go seven and ten, their fans are gonna
Speaker 2: be thrilled. It's gonna have been a great season. So
Speaker 2: anytime you can bet the under and still have what
Speaker 2: would be a win, an under bet could win and
Speaker 2: the fans could be like this was a great season.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well then it's probably an under team like
Speaker 2: where And there was a lot of I just thought
Speaker 2: wish casting. And I'm not trying to act like I'm
Speaker 2: somebody that studies the All twenty two and I can
Speaker 2: tell you, you know, the guy's a dots and stuff.
Speaker 2: But I watch every football game there is. I watch
Speaker 2: as much as as humanly possible. I watched justin Fields
Speaker 2: all last year, and at no point was I like, Oh,
Speaker 2: that guy is a star. Now. Multiple times I was
Speaker 2: like he might be the best running quarterback, the best
Speaker 2: runner at the position I've ever seen, including Vic and Lamar.
Speaker 2: I did say that, but there was not a single
Speaker 2: moment where I was like, that guy throws the ball well.
Speaker 2: And this offseason some of the quarterbacks on television were like,
Speaker 2: I think he can win league MVP. League MVP is crazy.
Speaker 2: First of all, your team's gonna win thirteen games. Second
Speaker 2: of all, you've got to be awesome. What evidence do
Speaker 2: we have of either of those things?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's interesting that. I'm not a huge believer in
Speaker 1: analytics for football. I think it works for baseball, though
Speaker 1: I think it's hurt the sport, and I do believe
Speaker 1: in basketball situational mid range jump shots are very important
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. I think the long game analytics works
Speaker 1: in baseball and basketball get into the playoffs. I need
Speaker 1: stops in baskets, need hoops. I don't need threes. I
Speaker 1: need hoops in football. I'm begrudgingly accept some analytics. But
Speaker 1: the number, the data that really sticks out with justin
Speaker 1: fields is that he has more interceptions on four plus
Speaker 1: seconds to throw like he has plenty of time, Like
Speaker 1: there's a there's a data point out there where he
Speaker 1: takes more sacks after four seconds, throws more interceptions and
Speaker 1: in completions after four seconds. Mooney and DJ Moore are
Speaker 1: a and Cole Comet and the other tight end from
Speaker 1: Green Bay. They are fine skill players like. His problem
Speaker 1: is he doesn't see the field particularly well to Zach
Speaker 1: Wilson issue. They both run, have arms, they don't see
Speaker 1: the field, and he's very reluctant to just let it go.
Speaker 2: Well, that's I can't add anything more to it. And
Speaker 2: one hundred cent agree. And I think he as where
Speaker 2: I do think the team did him a disservices. I
Speaker 2: think if he had more stability and more talent around
Speaker 2: him early, he wouldn't be as he seems to be
Speaker 2: nervous when he's playing and he's you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So that's why to me, what we're seeing right now
Speaker 2: is the worst case scenario. I guess what I'm saying
Speaker 2: is with him, even the best case scenario. I don't
Speaker 2: think was ever going to be awesome, but it didn't
Speaker 2: have to be this.
Speaker 1: And how about this too. I remember when I hired you.
Speaker 1: The I hired you, I was asked about you, and
Speaker 1: so I listened to about three minutes of tape and
Speaker 1: I said instantly, yep, I get that guy. He's good.
Speaker 1: And I used to watch American Idol twelve seconds in
Speaker 1: You're like hack lounge singer star. It's not hard. There
Speaker 1: isn't it quality. I've watched c J. Stroud play six quarters.
Speaker 1: He's good, professional, stands in the pocket, accurate thrower. Some
Speaker 1: of this he has a defensive coach. He has a
Speaker 1: rookie play caller.
Speaker 2: And by the way he's down that it's not like
Speaker 2: Texas have some great offensive line and they're down fort.
Speaker 1: Starters and we're starting and I watch him nick he
Speaker 1: just makes better decisions. So well, that's he makes better
Speaker 1: decisions than Zach Baker justin some of this is the
Speaker 1: it CJ. Strout When I watch him, he just throws
Speaker 1: it to the right guy all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that c J. Stroud through three games
Speaker 2: has been a revelation because I thought I thought, okay,
Speaker 2: very low ceiling, very high floor was what I thought
Speaker 2: you were getting to c J. Strou Jared Goff, Yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: absolutely like very low ceiling, very high floor, just stability.
Speaker 2: But the through I mean, again, I don't want to overreact,
Speaker 2: but now I think the ceiling is much higher than
Speaker 2: I thought. You've said, Zach Wilson a couple of times.
Speaker 2: I know the Jets are over discussed. Can we talk
Speaker 2: about the Jets from sure? Yeah, okay, I am. I
Speaker 2: think the Jets are going to kind of be let
Speaker 2: off the hook for how disastrous this was always going
Speaker 2: to be because Aaron got hurt. Because okay, so a
Speaker 2: number of things here that just make no sense, and
Speaker 2: they're being laid to bear with Aaron being hurt. Their
Speaker 2: entire offseason when you look at it was about hiring
Speaker 2: friends of Aaron Rodgers. Probably not a good way to
Speaker 2: start that. Who's the guy who almost caught the ricocheted
Speaker 2: hail Mary Cob, He answers, Randall Cobb. Why is Randall
Speaker 2: Cobb that you signed McCole Hardman away from the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: He has one catch for six yards because Cobb and
Speaker 2: Lazard are the ones getting on the field, Well, who's
Speaker 2: making that decision. Oh yeah, Nat Hackett. What's his great qualification?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's Rogers buddy. There was a very interesting
Speaker 2: moment when Salah this weekend I'm sure you saw it
Speaker 2: was asked about you know, why is Zack still the starter?
Speaker 2: And he was about to say he's the best quarterback
Speaker 2: we have, and then he stopped. He was like, he
Speaker 2: gives his best chance to win. But the answer is
Speaker 2: it's because Tim Boyle is the backup. So Tim Boyle,
Speaker 2: this is I said this on TV. Both of my
Speaker 2: co hos today said that can't be right, and I said,
Speaker 2: just go google it. Tim Boyle played three years at
Speaker 2: Yukon and then played one year one of the directional Kentucky.
Speaker 2: Those three years at Yukon Colin I swear to God
Speaker 2: this is accurate. He had one touchdown pass and thirteen interceptions.
Speaker 2: So it's not like, oh, he never got to play.
Speaker 2: He played three years of D one college football, had
Speaker 2: one touchdown pass and thirteen interceptions. In the NFL, he
Speaker 2: has thrown one hundred and eight total passes in a
Speaker 2: six year career. That I don't know how he's had
Speaker 2: a six year career. In those hundred and eight passes,
Speaker 2: he's been picked off another eight times, so why is
Speaker 2: he there? Oh yeah, because he was on rogers ayahuasca
Speaker 2: trip with him. He's his buddy and that's his guy.
Speaker 2: So Rogers goes down. And by the way, Dwayne Brown
Speaker 2: this week is on the IR. That was gonna happen
Speaker 2: whether or not Rogers went down. Dwayne Brown was going
Speaker 2: to the IR and roberts Hell is still going to
Speaker 2: be your coach. But there was like, and I'm sorry
Speaker 2: that I'm this is kind of, you know, a long story,
Speaker 2: but it'll it'll, it'll make sense. I'm gonna go to
Speaker 2: the Chiefs for a moment. The Chiefs number six wide
Speaker 2: receiver who's also their pump returner, got hurt in week two,
Speaker 2: Richie James, you know what they did between week two
Speaker 2: and week three elevated a new pump returner off the
Speaker 2: practice squad, was on the active roster yesterday, the like
Speaker 2: fifty first most important guy on the team got hurt.
Speaker 2: They're like, okay, he's on IR. We need to elevate
Speaker 2: someone to take that spot. The fucking Jets starting quarterback
Speaker 2: went down, I know other quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: They were like, we're gonna stick with Zach Wilson, who
Speaker 4: we our team openly revolted against last year, was wearing
Speaker 4: T shirts of his backup and we're shot.
Speaker 2: This thing's going sideways, Like I don't think I know,
Speaker 2: I know J Mack on your show is big on
Speaker 2: like they can save the season with cousins, whatever it is.
Speaker 2: I don't know about say anything. What I know is
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson's the worst quarterback I've seen in my life.
Speaker 2: He's the worst that's gotten a lot of chances. The
Speaker 2: team knows it, and they refuse to bring someone else
Speaker 2: in a way that is it could be mystifying team.
Speaker 1: They could threaten Aaron Rodgers. See I felt this with
Speaker 1: Green Bay at the end they were walking on eggshells.
Speaker 1: I think the Jets are walking on eggshells. They don't
Speaker 1: want to offend Aaron Rodgers, Randall Cobb, Alan Lazard, Billy Hunter,
Speaker 1: this backup quarterback. I mean, I think a lot with
Speaker 1: Aaron is I think people are a little intimidated. Aaron
Speaker 1: comes off. I think he's smart. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: quite as like Peyton Manning smart. I think I don't
Speaker 1: think he's as smart as he thinks he is. But
Speaker 1: that's an epidemic in the world. I think with Aaron
Speaker 1: Old single rich Ring, he really has everybody. He has
Speaker 1: the leverage. I mean even now the injury gives it
Speaker 1: more leverage. Now they're really trapped.
Speaker 2: And by the way, if this thing really goes terribly so,
Speaker 2: Sala's record is abysmal, like he now no. I said
Speaker 2: this on your show, and people thought I was trolling
Speaker 2: because this was before Rogers got hurt. When I was saying,
Speaker 2: I thought the Jets, because of their offensive line, we're
Speaker 2: going to have a terrible like, have a disappointing ear.
Speaker 2: I said that I thought Salah was going to be
Speaker 2: the fall guy, and then Rogers was going to use
Speaker 2: the leverage of do I come back or don't I
Speaker 2: come back to tell to make them make Nad Hackett
Speaker 2: the head coach. I now truly believe that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: This Jets seems gonna win four games. Sala's overall record
Speaker 2: at that point is going to be like a career
Speaker 2: twenty five winning percentage. He has two division wins, ever,
Speaker 2: and that's not gonna get much better. This year. He
Speaker 2: got two, you got one, Morgan's Buffalo, I'm sorry. Three
Speaker 2: division wins. Ever, now because the one against Buffalo, you
Speaker 2: have two against Miami. The Jets couldn't score seventy points
Speaker 2: in a six hour game, and Nat Hackett absolutely could
Speaker 2: be the coach. Also, the offensive line thing, I can't
Speaker 2: get over it. It's like it's like the Jets. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna use a Colin Cowherd analogy. I'm not as good
Speaker 2: as you, but I think it'll work. Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 2: like a private airplane that was on discount because the owners,
Speaker 2: the people who owned it were like, ah, I think
Speaker 2: it's it's a little old, little unreliable, kind of a
Speaker 2: pain in the ass. So you were able to buy
Speaker 2: it at a huge discount and then with your last
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars of like renovating it making it as
Speaker 2: nice as possible. It's like, all right, you got ten
Speaker 2: grand left, should we buy some parachutes in case? Ever
Speaker 2: they were right about it, They're like, eh, if we
Speaker 2: need the parachutes, were fucked anyway, you spend it on champagne.
Speaker 2: That's what they did. They could have they could have
Speaker 2: used they could have re signed Mike White, they could
Speaker 2: have had a real backup quarterback and said they're like
Speaker 2: a spinning on Dalvin Cook spending on Rogers' buddies. If
Speaker 2: he goes down, we're ruined anyway. And with an achilles injury,
Speaker 2: yes you are screwed anyway. But if Rogers, let's just
Speaker 2: what would have been really mortifying for the Jets is
Speaker 2: if Rogers hadn't torn his achilles, he had just suffered
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow's calf strain. And it's like, all right, guys,
Speaker 2: just hold it together for five weeks for me. And
Speaker 2: they're out here looking like they do because they didn't.
Speaker 2: Andy Dalton looked competent this week. Jameis Winston came in
Speaker 2: and drove them into field goal rings. They missed it.
Speaker 2: They look competent. Cardner Minshew won a game against the
Speaker 2: Ravens like the backupquarters are available, and they rolled with
Speaker 2: Zach for reasons I don't understand. And now they're just
Speaker 2: a dumpster fire, just a disaster.
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Speaker 1: is yours, listen. I think that there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of coincidences in sports. I mean, I think the Bears
Speaker 1: and the Jets are poorly owned and mostly poorly run.
Speaker 1: And I think there's a reason Kansas City is almost
Speaker 1: always competent and good, infrequently great. But now they're on
Speaker 1: a great run. Green Bays a was competent. I mean
Speaker 1: even New England. Now it's a pop gun offense, but
Speaker 1: they're competent. I mean, they beat the teams they should beat.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna beat Philadelphia, They're not going to beat
Speaker 1: Kansas City or Buffalo, but they're gonna Miami. They'll beat
Speaker 1: the teams they should beat, they'll they'll knock off one
Speaker 1: or two. I don't think there's a coincidence. I mean
Speaker 1: I say this all the time. I've been in this
Speaker 1: business thirty years. It's the people who have a big
Speaker 1: audience radio, TV, print, digital. It's not a coincidence. They
Speaker 1: either work harder, they're more talented, they're smarter, they're more captivating.
Speaker 1: I think it's the same thing in the NFL. The
Speaker 1: Jets are exactly Listen, think about it. They pursued Rogers
Speaker 1: because they whiffed with a number two pick, right, so.
Speaker 2: The numbers two picked if they had to pick, because
Speaker 2: they whiffed on the number three pick for three years prior.
Speaker 2: They were four years prior in Darnold, like, they've had
Speaker 2: so many bites at this.
Speaker 1: Anc, constantly spending bad money to fix it. So they
Speaker 1: whiffed it with in a left tackle, they whiffed in
Speaker 1: a quarterback. So now they go get Dwayne Brown, and
Speaker 1: now they overspend for Aaron Rodgers, and now they want
Speaker 1: to bring in maybe Carson Wentz or Kirk Cousins. The
Speaker 1: Packers are a well run business. The Bears are a
Speaker 1: poorly run business. The chiefs are a well run business.
Speaker 1: The Jets are a poorly run business. These are all.
Speaker 2: Business and to bring the Bears, I mean again, sorry
Speaker 2: salt nowin for Bears fans. The Bears drafted justin Fields
Speaker 2: because Mitch Trubisky didn't work out. Who they drafted over
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes in that draft. That was the Bears were
Speaker 2: drafting a quarterback in the Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: Drightaway, mel kiper no, no no. Greg Cosell said, Trubisky
Speaker 1: is going to go in the first round. Watch him.
Speaker 1: I was with my family in Hawaii. I went inside
Speaker 1: off the beach to watch his Carolina team play, I
Speaker 1: think Florida State. So I watched a half and I
Speaker 1: text Greg Cosell. I said, I don't get it. His
Speaker 1: ball die is twenty yards in. I don't get it.
Speaker 1: And he said he's a front leg thrower and I
Speaker 1: don't like him. And I said, Greg, I'm just a
Speaker 1: I'm a radio TV guy. But his ball dies, his
Speaker 1: ball doesn't carry. He made a sideline throw and I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was intercepted, but you could just
Speaker 1: see that his and that was his NFL thing. He
Speaker 1: was more athletic than he was given credit for. But
Speaker 1: a far worse thrower than he was given credit for,
Speaker 1: and they drafted him. The Bears drafted a receiver named
Speaker 1: VELAs Jones in the third round two years ago. He
Speaker 1: was at USC transfer to Tennessee. When he was at USC,
Speaker 1: they could have made a phone call. He couldn't track
Speaker 1: the ball. He couldn't the ball was He's like a
Speaker 1: center fielder who couldn't track the ball. He's been a
Speaker 1: complete bust. Like it's like they don't their phones don't work,
Speaker 1: they don't make calls, they don't have It's like these
Speaker 1: are Trubisky was a was not a first round quarterback.
Speaker 1: Beilis Jones was not an NFL third round pick. Like
Speaker 1: sometimes I just again, it's not a coincidence. They don't
Speaker 1: know offense.
Speaker 2: I know it's getting late, but you mentioned USC, which
Speaker 2: reminded me I wanted to Can I ask you a
Speaker 2: college football question? This is kind of a media question
Speaker 2: as long as well as college football. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 2: I think there's nothing And I like Dan Lanning. I
Speaker 2: like him a lot. Dan Lanning is a Kansas City guy.
Speaker 2: Used to listen to my radio show called Into My
Speaker 2: Buddies radio show in Kansas City. The Church of Laslo.
Speaker 2: I like Dan, but I got a little bit of
Speaker 2: a chuckle. The coach of the Oregon Ducks also known
Speaker 2: as the Nike Marketing University of Football, being like, they're
Speaker 2: in it for the clicks. We're hard, No, we play
Speaker 2: these games with the lights off, Like, huh, don't you
Speaker 2: guys have neon yellow jersey, a.
Speaker 1: Hundred uniforms or good?
Speaker 2: Like a break coldal speech was for his players to
Speaker 2: get them fired up, and I saw that. I'm like,
Speaker 2: this isn't exactly Texas A and m out here being like,
Speaker 2: give me a break. All right. So here's my question.
Speaker 2: I think USC is gonna score seventy points on Colorado.
Speaker 2: I think it's end play. I mean, I think Oregon
Speaker 2: has a better defense than USC. Yeah, USC is a
Speaker 2: better offense. US is gonna score every time you catch
Speaker 2: the ball. If Colorado gets annihilated again, does the country
Speaker 2: stop caring about them before this year?
Speaker 1: I think yeah, I think it. I think it. I
Speaker 1: think Colorado, because they're humiliated, is probably more competitive at home,
Speaker 1: and USC's defense is better than last year, but not great,
Speaker 1: So I think it's more of a forty five to
Speaker 1: twenty one game. I think it's I don't think it's
Speaker 1: that close us. He is clearly better. They may score
Speaker 1: in the fifties. I think. I think what Dion has
Speaker 1: done he has not moved college football fans to his channel.
Speaker 1: He's brought in people that didn't like college football, pro fans,
Speaker 1: Dion fans, Cowboy fans. If you look at the numbers,
Speaker 1: he's not moving people from Georgia to Colorado. He found
Speaker 1: like three people.
Speaker 2: He's got it. Yeah, and it's and listen, it's not
Speaker 2: it's not poor form to say it, because it's facts.
Speaker 2: He is. There are massive amounts of black people that
Speaker 2: were not watching college football that are now. Not that
Speaker 2: black people don't watch college football, but when you look
Speaker 2: at the act, our guy michaelmulbihill at Fox has all
Speaker 2: the data and tweets it out Dion. What Dion has
Speaker 2: done for the for the black audience of college football,
Speaker 2: and that's I mean, it's it's it's historic, it's un
Speaker 2: it's it's unprecedented.
Speaker 1: Like the thirty five to forty percent viewers that don't
Speaker 1: watch the sport.
Speaker 2: Correct, and that's that's not obviously all black people, but
Speaker 2: that is disproportionately a black audience and so I I
Speaker 2: just wonder I think this there was the other like
Speaker 2: the idea, there were some After Colorado got their teeth
Speaker 2: kicked in, there was some pushback. They were like, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe now the media stopped pushing this down our throats. Guys,
Speaker 2: there were ten million people watching Colorado Colorado State game
Speaker 2: at two in the morning Eastern.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If you go to DraftKings, were volume war with DraftKings, right, DraftKings.
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Speaker 2: like the end. You want to bet the NBA, the NFL,
Speaker 2: college football, Colorado, and the tennis. Like, I mean that's true.
Speaker 2: Good look at it. It's I mean it is. This
Speaker 2: was not. Certain things are media creations. The interest in
Speaker 2: Colorado was not. People were into it. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: think they still are if they lose by forty next week.
Speaker 2: I think it Discip.
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, Travis Kelcey is very much media generated. It's fun.
Speaker 1: It was a blowout, the game was over. Let's put
Speaker 1: it up. I'm fascinated in Deon Sanders. I don't think
Speaker 1: it will be as uh, you know, Intergalact ratings, Bonanza
Speaker 1: comets through the sky, but I'll still watch. I mean
Speaker 1: I said before, I'm not rooting former against him. I
Speaker 1: root for interesting. Dion's interesting, the cowboy hat, the shades,
Speaker 1: the attitude Colorado has been a I mean, you don't
Speaker 1: even remember this. I knew Colorado sports because of Robbie
Speaker 1: Benson a movie in the seventies called One on One.
Speaker 1: You could google. No it was I don't remember, like
Speaker 1: nobody cared about Colorado sports.
Speaker 2: The you know, the first memory I have a Colorado sports.
Speaker 2: I was never a Missouri football fan, but I'm from Kansay.
Speaker 2: Missouri is the fifth down play. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you met, Missouri was playing Colorado at the end of
Speaker 2: a Big eight season one year and the down guys
Speaker 2: screwed up and Colorado got a fifth down. But so,
Speaker 2: all right, here's my last Colorado thing. This is their
Speaker 2: schedule the rest of the way. Home for USC loss,
Speaker 2: they're gonna get. Yeah, at Arizona State when they can
Speaker 2: win that, okay, Home for Stanford win, at u c
Speaker 2: l A win, Okay, well then they're fine. Home for
Speaker 2: Oregon State is probably a loss, go either way. Game
Speaker 2: home for Arizona win, and then at Wazoo and at
Speaker 2: Utah lost loss.
Speaker 1: They'll definitely lose at Utah.
Speaker 2: That will lose Utah. Utah. Utah is just big. If
Speaker 2: you put took Shador and Colorado's best skill guy and
Speaker 2: and gave to Utah, you have the best team in
Speaker 2: the country. I mean, because Utah has all that. When
Speaker 2: Dion's talking, I need seven or eight people he means
Speaker 2: offensive and defensive line. Yeah, he needs big people. But
Speaker 2: so you think they can go seven and five eight? Absolutely,
Speaker 2: that would be an amazing Since that would be an
Speaker 2: amazing I.
Speaker 1: Think it's wonderful he has brought and I when I
Speaker 1: say he's brought people in that didn't watch the sport.
Speaker 1: He's brought NFL fans in, Niner fans, Cowboy fans, He's
Speaker 1: brought people that didn't really like they're Dion fans. And
Speaker 1: by the way, if Dion walked through a mall, it's
Speaker 1: not just it's it's he's Deon Sanders. He's had forever.
Speaker 2: Wilds asked this and it was a very interesting question.
Speaker 2: It wasn't even on TV. He's asked me. He said,
Speaker 2: is Dion the most famous person to ever coach college foot?
Speaker 2: And it's like, I, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, I don't well, bear think he is famous because
Speaker 1: he coached college football. Yes, I think he's the most
Speaker 1: famous person that has coached college football.
Speaker 2: And like, right now, if Nick Saban and Dion Sanders
Speaker 2: are walking on separate sides of the mall it First
Speaker 2: of all, there are parts of the country where Nick
Speaker 2: Saban would not be bothered, right and even in Alabama,
Speaker 2: everyone knows Dion. They might be more excited about Nick,
Speaker 2: but everyone nobody doesn't know him, and so like there
Speaker 2: that is a real power. It is a level of
Speaker 2: like fame and celebrity we've never had in college.
Speaker 1: When you when you have a nickname and people in
Speaker 1: your nickname doesn't have anything to do with your name,
Speaker 1: like Mamba Kobe, Yeah, that's famous Prime, Deon Sanders Prime,
Speaker 1: Like usually you know it. It's connected to your name.
Speaker 1: Very few people music or otherwise that have a nickname
Speaker 1: where their name's not included in it. And universally everybody
Speaker 1: knows what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: And it's another word on its own, you know what.
Speaker 2: It's not like like it was shack is, but it's
Speaker 2: another word on its own. Prime means its own thing.
Speaker 2: But right now, if someone says prime, you think of
Speaker 2: Colorado football, that's pretty goddamn powerful.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think it's great for this. I love
Speaker 1: college football. I think he's love some NFL fans that
Speaker 1: are Sunday viewers that don't watch Saturday football. They're certainly,
Speaker 1: as you noted, an African American component. But I think
Speaker 1: a big chunk of it is he brought Sunday people
Speaker 1: to Saturday TV and it's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's right. I think that's absolutely right.
Speaker 1: All Right, Nick, Right, this has been fun. Good seeing you, buddy.
Speaker 1: We'll do this in about six more weeks.
Speaker 2: Thanks, all right, talk to other.
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