1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hartunger. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to Best of both Worlds. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to Best of both Worlds. 10 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode two hundred and forty five, 11 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,959 Speaker 1: which is airing in mid April of twenty twenty two. 12 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: Today we're going to be talking about how to plan 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: your summer. This is a perennial topic for Best of 14 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: Both Worlds. We have talked about planning our summers before, 15 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: but we have new listeners coming in all the time, 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,959 Speaker 1: and many of us are a wee bit rusty perhaps 17 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: in planning summers. Although twenty twenty one, you know, we 18 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: probably had to plan a lot of stuff for that summer. 19 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: Twenty twenty, we may have planned the summer and then 20 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: seen it all kind of go up and smoke. So 21 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: I mean it's important to think through what you would 22 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: like to do with this season. I mean partly because 23 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: for many people, the normal routines of the school year change, 24 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: and so you need to figure out how work and 25 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: life and everything else can fit together given these changed circumstances. So, Sarah, 26 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: how is the summer planning process going for you? Yeah, 27 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: it's going pretty well. You know, as you were talking 28 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: about that, I was reflecting back and thinking, huh, you know, 29 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: I don't think I ever did sign my kids up 30 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: for camp in twenty twenty because our camp forms don't 31 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: get released until like mid March. So even though I 32 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 1: tend to plan many things ahead, that was one thing. 33 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: As you'll talk about, you ended up with a lot 34 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: of like you know, credit to use, but I didn't 35 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: have any camp credits, so anyway, I have not you know, 36 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: we did plan our summer last year, but there are 37 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: some people who kind of laid low, waiting for vaccines 38 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: and things. So there's definitely some people, I think, who 39 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: haven't done much of that in a while. And summer 40 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: planning does always tend to feel really early, like you know, 41 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: you do have to sign up for things before it 42 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: feels like you should be having to think about it, 43 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: and yet that's just kind of the way things work. 44 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: And because I think childcare opportunities have become a little 45 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: bit more scarce in certain locations, it's become all the 46 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: more important that if you have certain camps or experiences 47 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,399 Speaker 1: that you want your kids to be able to participate 48 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: during a summer, you kind of got to jump on 49 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: it as soon as those sign up forms come out. Yeah, 50 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: so your trigger is often the beginning of quintile two 51 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: to think about quintile three. Yes, I mean my trigger 52 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: is usually when I get the thing from school saying 53 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: that camp sign up is open. I just kind of 54 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: jump on it. Although this year we've had to plan 55 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: really really far ahead, because it turns out if you're 56 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: interested in sleep away camp, those sign ups actually happen 57 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: like the fall, almost the end of the summer prior, 58 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people who plan to 59 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: send their kids the next year do sign up by 60 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: the end of the summer because they have certain life 61 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: returning discounts and things like that. So to some extent, 62 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: our planning has been really early, and to another extent, yes, 63 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: I tend to think about it, right around when spring 64 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: break is coming around, which for me is like quintile too. 65 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: That's like a reminder, Okay, any summer trips we want 66 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: to take, we need to book those airbnbs or vrbos. Like, 67 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: if I wait too much longer and the actual summer 68 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: quintile is approaching, it's probably too late for a lot 69 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: of things. Yeah, And I think of the childcare piece 70 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: is one that a lot of people need to think 71 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: through first. And so you know, there's obviously a million 72 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: different camps out there. Some are more structured as childcare 73 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: than others. Some are definitely more oriented toward, you know, 74 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: just the activity itself, and you know has some hours 75 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: like nine to two or something, which is just unhelpful, 76 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: and you know, there's just many things to think about 77 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: with that. So this is where I do a camp 78 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: spreadsheet every year for anybody who is new to the 79 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: program or has not read my blog. What it is 80 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: is it has the weeks of summer down the left 81 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: hand side and the names of my camp aged children 82 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: across the top. So this year I have four such children. 83 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: The little guy is not really doing any camps. He'll 84 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: be with our nanny most of the summer, but I start, 85 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: you know, whatever the earliest child to be out of 86 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: school is. And now we're all in the public school, 87 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: so it's the same. But you know, when we had 88 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,679 Speaker 1: kid in preschool or whatever, it would start slightly early. 89 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: But I map out the weeks. I just put whatever 90 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: the Monday to Friday week is. So for us, the 91 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: first week fully out is June twenty to twenty four 92 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: this year, the next is June twenty seven to July one, 93 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: then July four to eight, and so on down the 94 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: left hand side, and then fill in what camps people 95 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: are wanting to attend. And I tend to start working 96 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: on this in January because that's when some of the 97 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: camps start releasing their forms and their catalogs for the summer, 98 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: and we tend to do the same ones, or you know, 99 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,559 Speaker 1: we add some new ones year to year, but people 100 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: have their preferences, and so it's really the older kids 101 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: trying to get them to think through, like what would 102 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: you actually like to do, because if you give me 103 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: enough advanced warning, I can probably find something. So if 104 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,119 Speaker 1: you want to study C plus plus, if you want 105 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: to do a Pokemon camp, if you want to do 106 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: a culinary camp, if you want to be in a 107 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: theater production. If you want to study robotics, I can 108 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: work with that, but I need advance notice, so I 109 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: spend a fair amount of time on it. What what 110 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: kind of camp? Is there really a Pokemon camp? There is? 111 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: I don't think my kids know that such thing exists, 112 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: or else they'd be really excited. But I don't think 113 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: we have one. Yeah, I know, of well, I had 114 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: just seen a sign for like one of these commercial camps, 115 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: like when I was driving around. It turns out they 116 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: have a bunch of different locations around here, and they have, 117 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: you know, a whole camp catalog. So I decided to 118 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: try them out for two children each doing one week 119 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: doing things with them, and if we like it, well, 120 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: you know, then we're still here. We'll use them more 121 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: in the future. But the reason to have this is 122 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: sometimes you want to make sure you can leave some 123 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: weeks open for vacation. So identifying that and having it 124 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: as the same week is obviously very helpful. If you 125 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: see that one child is at a sleepaway camp, that 126 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: sort of changes it because then you have more available 127 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: driving during the week because you're not dropping that person 128 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: off every day. You generally don't or at least you 129 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: probably shouldn't want to have four children in different camps 130 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: at different places that have the same drop off and 131 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: pickup times. That's, you know, just a little bit crazy. 132 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: Might be difficult to pull off, but you know, so 133 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: you could also sort of identify any logistical challenges. So 134 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: there's this one week where I already know I'm traveling 135 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: because I have to make good on some speeches I 136 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: agreed to do in the summer of twenty twenty, and 137 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: they finally reschedule them, so I'm I'm out for some 138 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: of that time, and one child will be at a 139 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: camp downtown, one child will be at a camp nearby, 140 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: And I wound up deciding to put on the original 141 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: buying thing the aftercare for the child downtown. So in theory, 142 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: my husband could go to his office that week he'd 143 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: like drive him to camp, go to his office, pick 144 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: him up between five and six, Whereas if I hadn't 145 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: put the aftercare on there, that wouldn't work, and then 146 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: paid for before care for the one who's local. So 147 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: if we do wind up on a day with only 148 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: one driver, our nanny can drop that kid off early 149 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: and then drive downtown. No, I agree, it can become 150 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: really messy really quick with camps because they can be 151 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: in you know, schools. Sometimes they're like at least in 152 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: the same direction, or they're clustered together within a district. 153 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: Camps can be in like widely different directions. And so 154 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: we did that mistake. I think there was one week 155 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: we had like three different camps in three different locations, 156 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: and I was like, why did I do that? So 157 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: we've tried real I think we do have two weeks 158 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: with two locations this summer, not including the sleep away 159 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: weeks and stuff. But otherwise it's going to be all 160 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: consolidated because there's not that many things that are worth 161 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: you know, trying to scatter everybody in multiple different directions. Yeah, 162 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: and a lot of camps these days have like different 163 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: subspecialty tracks at the same camp, so that you can find, 164 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: you know, a soccer camp and an art camp that's 165 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: actually at the same day camp. At least in my area. 166 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: That's like it seems to be the trend now. If 167 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: you can if you can come up with that, that 168 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: is good. I mean, you know it. I do feel 169 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: like it does spend it does require a lot of time. 170 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: My camp spreadsheet every summer. It's like a thing of beauty, 171 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: which is why it was so frustrating when I created 172 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: an amazing camp spreadsheet in like January of twenty twenty, 173 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: and then it was not amazing anymore. Do you have 174 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: little like check off boxes for like the forms that 175 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: you've filled out or like I don't, because I mean, 176 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: once I've actually registered and I have the spot, I 177 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: figure like they're gonna remind me, like they're not going 178 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: to not that's true. You know, I'll get an email 179 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: being like your medical forms are due in you know, 180 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: May or whatever it is, and and so I probably 181 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: don't need to put as much of that on the list. 182 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: That's true. That's part of my brain that just likes 183 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: putting things on the list to check them off. Sometimes 184 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I don't like doing that, but it 185 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: sort of eventually there has to be a limit. So 186 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: you know, well, why don't we take a quick break 187 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: and we'll come back and talk about summer travel. Well, 188 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: we are back talking about planning our summers. So Sarah, 189 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: do you guys have some travel planned for the summer. 190 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: We do, and we don't. I have not booked a 191 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 1: single thing yet, so I guess I'm breaking my own rules, 192 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: but I'm getting very close. And actually, to be fair 193 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 1: to myself, we have not hit Q in my house. 194 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: My kid's spring break is very very late this year, 195 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: so as we were recording this, it is still comfortably 196 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: Q one. So there we go. Yeah, I'm trying to 197 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: decide what to do. You know, the weather makes Florida 198 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 1: trips not the best in the summer, but at the 199 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: same time, it's so nice to have at least one 200 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: trip where you can just drive and it's easy. And 201 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: our family, you know, we had an infamous trip that 202 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: I talked about like a million times in this podcasts 203 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: that went terribly to Amelia Island. But then last year 204 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: we had a great trip to Amelia Island where we 205 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: rented AVRBO and honestly, I could see myself trying to 206 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: get that same condo because it was it was excellent. 207 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: And I do think there's something special and lovely about 208 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: family trips that are repetitive because they just I don't know, 209 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: they like create deep grooves in your memory or something. 210 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if you have any like that in 211 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: your childhood, But my family used to drive up to 212 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: either Vermont or New Hampshire. To me they kind of 213 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: I mean no offense to vermontors or In Hampshire's, but 214 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: to my Pennsylvania self, they seemed very similar. And my 215 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: grandparents would typically have a condo there for the summer 216 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: because they were snowbirds who lived in like outside of 217 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: Fort Lauderdale, actually not far from where I live during 218 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: the winter, and then they would like be up north 219 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: during the summer and we would drive from our outside 220 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: of Philadelphia home of it was like eight ten hours, 221 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: like it was a far drive up into the mountains, 222 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: and we did like the exact same trip, like probably 223 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: at least ten times. I can remember the stuff we 224 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: brought in the car, and like the fact that we 225 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 1: almost always brought the same exact breakfast because my parents 226 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: were too frugal and too healthy to allow us to 227 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: eat at like the Wendy's on the way. So but 228 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: my sister and I we still love to talk about 229 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: those trips, and I actually would love to take my 230 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: family on a version of that trip someday because it 231 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: created some really nice memories. And I think part of 232 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: the reason for that was the repetition and like doing 233 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: the same thing over and over again until it became 234 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: special and like a reminiscent type of a thing. So, yeah, 235 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what that's going to be 236 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: for our family. Again, we've done the island twice. Maybe 237 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: that will be kind of our place, But I'm trying 238 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: to figure that out. Yeah, I have some memories of 239 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: a road trip when I lived in North Carolina for 240 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: the first twelve years of my life and my parents 241 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: extended family was mostly up in Michigan, and so we 242 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: would make a road trip from North Carolina to Michigan. 243 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: It was like a two day road trip. We'd stop 244 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle and then head up and stay 245 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: with relatives there in Michigan. So I have various memories 246 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: of seeing their house, as we always spend some of 247 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: the time with my dad's side of the family and 248 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: some with my mom's side of the family, and then 249 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: drive on back. But it was, yeah, that was about 250 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: what we had there. Well, we've been going to Ocean Grove, 251 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: New Jersey for a week every summer. The summer of 252 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, when all the camps were canceled, we actually 253 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: wound up there for three weeks, which is probably I mean, 254 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: it was fine for twenty twenty. It's probably more time 255 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: than we would like. Occasionally get the thought of, like, oh, 256 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: we should, you know, spend the summer at the beach. 257 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: It's a sort of a thing around here. Some people 258 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: like they get the beach house and then they go 259 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: spend the summer there. But it's like the only way 260 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: that really works is if either your child care comes 261 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: with you and at least one of you can only 262 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: work from home, or otherwise it winds up being like 263 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: you just take on all the kids for the summer 264 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: yourself as mom, and that just doesn't, i don't know, 265 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: not always the most fun, especially with no camps or 266 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: you know, any diversions. No, I just don't think it 267 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: sounds that great. Maybe if my kids were slightly older, 268 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: But they're not that big into the beach. I mean, 269 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: they like the beach, but they like it for a week, 270 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: which is what we go. So we've actually we're renting 271 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: the same house this summer that we've rented a couple 272 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: of times. This will be the fourth time that we 273 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: have rented it, i think, or maybe even the fifth 274 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: time we've rented it. I'm trying to remember. And we always, 275 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: you know, like it it's good. It's on the beach. 276 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: We can go out and get there very quickly. There's 277 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: enough room for all of us. But yeah, we sort 278 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: of basically have to book it when we're done with 279 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: the week the year before, and I think they're pretty 280 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: much booked up for the summer now in terms of 281 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: repeat customers. Wow, but there's a lot of places like that. Yeah. 282 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: I mean we've been thinking about this because I planned 283 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: spring break for me and the people who are going 284 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: on this trip. My husband had planned Christmas because he 285 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: took the kids skiing. He is in charge, you know, 286 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: I planned Ocean growth. He is in charge of a 287 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: trip we will be taking earlier in the summer, and 288 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: we have been trying to figure out what that is. 289 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: It has not been planned yet. He went looking through 290 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: various things, you know, like could we stay at a 291 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: ranch somewhere out west, and so he went through the 292 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: list of Like I mean, it's not a lot of 293 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: work on this, but the problem is it's work when 294 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: it's done in like March, is harder than work when 295 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: it's done in I don't know, September of October. Because 296 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: all the ranches are like booked up. They can't take 297 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: seven people if it's a small ranch, so they're booked 298 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: up for the whole summer. They're like, you should consider 299 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, and I'm like, well, you could just 300 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: do that, Like, let's just take a week for twenty 301 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: twenty three and can work around it. I'll put it 302 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: on my camp spreadsheet. But yeah, so we'll see what 303 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: we wind up doing. I'm sure there's something you can 304 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: do reasonably. Last minute. We will figure it out. But 305 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure it will be great. It will be great, 306 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: and either way it'll be it'll be a you should 307 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: just make it a surprise where he doesn't tell you 308 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: where it is until like the day before. Well, I 309 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: have certain requirements. I mean, you know, I don't think 310 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: these are ridiculous requirements, but if we're all going, I 311 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: want a direct flight, and I like to know where 312 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: I'm sleeping. You want to know, well, not even then, 313 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: I want to know that there's a booking, like okay, yes, okay, 314 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: but he could surprise you, though, Hey, can you surprise you? 315 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: That's fine. I would be totally fine with being surprised, 316 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: but I do want to know that we're not going 317 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: to get there and be like Okay, let's see where 318 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: we should stay, Like I no, no, I want to 319 00:15:53,600 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: know you would do that with five children? Oh you well, listeners, 320 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: if you have ever taken a trip with more than 321 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: four children without securing lodging, we would like to hear 322 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: about it. I'm sure there's some's like, you know, what 323 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: is it? I'm a j Some people are more a 324 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: pe on the Myers Briggs. They might find that exciting. 325 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: I would find that probably terrifying. But yeah, so lots 326 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: of travel ideas. I mean, we'd sure love to hear 327 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: what you know, people do if they do the same 328 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: thing every summer, if you have a place you always 329 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: go and sort of the memories, feel free to right 330 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: in about that gaps in childcare. Ah, this is always 331 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: something that because many people realize, like, you know, whatever 332 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: they have going on during their years, it's not going 333 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: to work for the summer. So I mean you you 334 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: just have the same for us, It's not a big deal, correct, 335 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, I have so many friends for which this 336 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: is like a huge headache every single year, and it's 337 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: kind of frustrating that most camps leave like a little 338 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: gap between the end of school and the beginning of camp. 339 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 1: So unless you are sure that that is when you 340 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: were going to take your vacation. And I guess strategically 341 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: that's probably what a lot of people do, is they'll 342 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: try to travel during those little windows. There can be 343 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: some like kind of dead zones where there's not that 344 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: much available. Yeah, so figuring out that gap between school 345 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: and camp, figuring out the extra hours. So again, you 346 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: know a lot of places do before care and after careen, 347 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: that's great, and I would suggest you know, some camp 348 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: car lines are kind of ridiculous because again, remember you know, 349 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: during the school year, half the people are taking the bus, 350 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: right and you don't have that necessarily with a lot 351 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: of camps. I mean some do, but but many do not, 352 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: which case, you know, somebody's got to go and pick 353 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: them up. And so again, if you are, you know 354 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: you and your partner are trading that off, that's something 355 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: to think about. It. It It might even be worth springing 356 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: for before care just because there will be fewer people there, 357 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: so the car line will probably be faster. Like even 358 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: if you don't technically need that hour between eight and 359 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: nine might be worth it. Just yeah, that's true, and 360 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: it gives you more flexibility too. You could use it 361 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: some days not use it, other days use half of it. 362 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: As long as they have a policy where you can 363 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: drop off, you know, any time along those which I 364 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: think a lot of them do. That could be a 365 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: nice strategy because you you can actually do that thought 366 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,719 Speaker 1: experiment with yourself. How much would I pay to avoid 367 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 1: this car avoid this car line? Yeah, of course you 368 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: can always hire somebody to help you avoid the car 369 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: line that you know, having a summer sitter who is 370 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: at least part time might help a lot with making 371 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: the summer run more smoothly. From a childcare perspective, So 372 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: even if your children are school aged, but they are 373 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: not old enough to care for themselves home alone, or 374 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, can't drive themselves obviously, that's another thing entirely. 375 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: You know, you could even have a situation where they 376 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: go nine to three to camp, but two days a 377 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: week you've got somebody picking them up at three and 378 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: taking them to and so you have two days where 379 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: you can work nine to seven, and then the other 380 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: days you work nine to three, and so you're still 381 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: getting the equivalent of forty hours in that time. You know, 382 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: if you have some flexibility in your schedule, that can 383 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: be helpful to think about, and it is cool when 384 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: some companies actually do encourage I don't know how many 385 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: you still do this, but like encouraging different hours during 386 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: the summer, or some offices will close early on Fridays 387 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: during the summer. I'm pretty sure my dad always worked 388 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: like a shorter Friday all summer long for whatever reason. Yeah, 389 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: it's kind of funny to think about that. They did 390 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 1: summer Fridays, which is like a half day, and so 391 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: people had the whole thing of doing the commute for 392 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: four hours, which is sort of ridiculous. I mean, especially 393 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: since this persisted into the past ten years, where basically 394 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: every bit of communication technology we have now was in existence, 395 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: like Zoom's been around for a bit. Yeah, work from 396 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: home Fridays would probably work from home Fridays would have 397 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: been much much better. But you know, until twenty twenty, 398 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: people didn't have their heads around that idea. So let's 399 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: see fun. Yeah, I could have some fun in this summer. Yes, 400 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: what else have we not talked about? We talked about 401 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: our kids, we talked about our family adventures. Don't forget yourselves. So, 402 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: in my opinion, no one is too old to want 403 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: to have some seasonal fun. Which is why Laura's lists 404 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: are always such a hit. And I personally don't always 405 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: get excited about seasonal fun list, but summer is one 406 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: that I instinctively just feel like I can get around 407 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: part because it just feels like such a like such 408 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: a different part of the year, such different rhythms. I 409 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: don't know, So usually I do have some projects or 410 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: things that I'm interested in participating in during the summer, 411 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: like a summer reading list of really fluffy reeds I 412 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: always love and vocal comes out with her Summer reading guide, 413 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: and I've almost never been steered wrong. By just picking 414 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of her choices and bringing them to various 415 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: places and reading them. You could do like a screening 416 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: of classic movies set in summer places are at camp 417 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: because there's a whole number of those. You could make 418 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: a list of fun day trips that you want to take. 419 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: One of my favorite concepts that's hopefully get it going 420 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: viral on Instagram. Is Kelsey of Girls next Door podcast 421 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: came up with hashtag cold Treat Wednesdays where she would 422 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: take herself and her kids. She was nice. She included 423 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: her children out to various locations in Arizona, where it's 424 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: extremely hot and they need, they need some little bits 425 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: of joy during the summer, and they would get like 426 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: a different cold treat every Wednesday, and I just kind 427 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: of love that concept. I'm sure my kids would as well. 428 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: I think it might be cold treat Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, 429 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: Sure I need, I think once a week, like hashtag. 430 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: I'm very curious that they don't have ice cream at 431 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: other times. I think they do, but these cold treat 432 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: Wednesdays were outings, so they weren't just like pulling, you know, 433 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: a carton out of the freezer. They were like trying 434 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: the new like you know, Japanese soft ice cream plates 435 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: with like cool toppings and like she came up with 436 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: a whole I think they went to like a new 437 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: place every time because there's a lot of i think 438 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: probably in South Florida as well as Arizona, a lot 439 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: of different venues for different kinds of cold treats. Yeah, 440 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: so yes, I don't think they were limited to just Wednesdays, 441 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: but that was for their outings, and I thought that 442 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: was such a fun idea. And then one other idea 443 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: would be like to do some kind of like neighborhood 444 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: barbecue series where you like take turns hosting. Since you 445 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: guys know I'm obsessed with my once we move starting 446 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: my book club. I know it's so silly that I'm 447 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: like hinging it on my one mile move because I'm 448 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: pretty sure I could start it now. But anyway, yes, 449 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: maybe I'll I'll figure out like a summer barbecue rotation 450 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 1: of some kind. Oh that sounds fun. Yes, you're gonna 451 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: be social, Sarah. Once you're in your new location. It's 452 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: gonna be Oh, yes, you're gonna be entirely. We're gonna 453 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: be one mile east, and it's going to be new, 454 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: new life, new life. I'll well, you know, some things 455 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: do change. But yes, sadly we are off in the 456 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: exact same people no matter where you put us. So yeah, 457 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: I make my summer fun list every summer. I've been 458 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: doing this for oh, probably six seven years at least now. 459 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think I've done it since the 460 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: beginning of my blog, but I have done it for 461 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: a long time, and I tend to do it in 462 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: May more or less. And you know, the big pieces 463 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: are there, like my vacations tend to be mapped out 464 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: by that point. But within that these are things for 465 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 1: like day trips or special things I like to do. 466 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: The big adventure, little adventure rubric I think for each week. 467 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: So strawberry picking tends to wind up on their peach 468 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: and blueberry picking. Now that I have an orchard, I 469 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: like for that, making a day trip to go hiking 470 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: or biking. Perhaps this week. I already have concert tickets 471 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: for something in August. I'm going to see Mary Chapin 472 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: Carpenter play outside. Yeah, it's gonna be fun, It's awesome. 473 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: I got those tickets right when it opened. I bought 474 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: four of them actually, so we'll see which of my 475 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: children will be coming along or I don't know, maybe 476 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: somebody else who knows. But yeah, it just it just 477 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: gets me thinking about what would make summer feel like 478 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: summer to me. And at this point there are certain 479 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: things I've done every year, like going to Hershey Park 480 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: at some point with the kids that you know, it 481 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: just winds up feeling like summer. You know, I think 482 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: it will be a good one, but I have to 483 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: think through what those things are, and when I do, 484 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: then it tends to go much better. But yeah, everyone 485 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: should have some fun stuff going on in the summer. 486 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,239 Speaker 1: And one thing I also like to do. I know 487 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: we've both done the mommy day type thing, which you 488 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: can sort of look at the times when maybe if 489 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: you do have some sort of other childcare, there can 490 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: be times when one child is not in camp, right, 491 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: and each kid can have maybe a week that's a 492 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: little lighter, or if they have a half day camp 493 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: instead of a full day camp. And then if you 494 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: do plan your workout and you have some flexibility in 495 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: your job, you might be able to take one of 496 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: those days off or a half day off and do 497 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: something special with the kid who has a lighter week. Now, again, 498 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: if you need to put your kids in eight to 499 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: five camp during the summer, you know, because that's your childcare, 500 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: then it's not as easy to do that. But then 501 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: you could pull a kid out for a day, right, 502 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: they could pull a kid out on a Friday and 503 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: go do something special together. And if you sort of 504 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: did that with each of your kids in turn, that 505 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: would be a great way to spend some one on 506 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: one time. Genevieve is extremely excited about her four weeks 507 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: of one on one time. Yeah, that's true. Now that 508 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: you are shipping the older two off, that's that is 509 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: such a mile set. My kids haven't had a whole 510 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: lot of interest in that. It's interesting. It is such 511 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: a South Florida thing. It definitely skews Jewish like there 512 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: are It's very common in that culture. For whatever reason. 513 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: I never went to sleep away camp, but down here 514 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: it's almost weird if you don't at least try it 515 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: for your kids, at least among certain communities. So we're 516 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: giving it a try because my niece and nephew have 517 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: gone for many years, and so they're going to the 518 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: same camp. And Genevieve is actually very excited, and I 519 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: think it'll be really fun to have someone on one 520 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: time with her that's more geared around her interests and 521 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: her friends and things like that. No, I think that's 522 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: really cool. I mean, I think it'll be an amazing 523 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: experience for your older kids and for her as well. 524 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: And I don't know, I wish more of my kids 525 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: were interested in that. I always loved going to camp. 526 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I liked doing the outdoor camp. 527 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,239 Speaker 1: I loved NERD Camp when I went to that for 528 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: three years. I'm curious, did you have any summer jobs. Well, 529 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: I worked as a camp counselor for many many years 530 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: at the same I went to the Episcopal Academy day 531 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: camp from age seven or so on eight maybe, and 532 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: after I aged out of being a camper there, I 533 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: was a counselor there and I loved it, loved it, 534 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: loved it. I always had the five year olds. It 535 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: was so much fun for me. It was a little 536 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: bit formative. We had one camper with like cystic fibrosis, 537 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, this is so interesting. 538 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: And actually one of my co counselors had type one 539 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: diabetes back then. She had like glass syringes that she 540 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: was using and stuff. So I don't know, maybe it's 541 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: why I am where I am to go today. But 542 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: I loved that job. It was it paid nothing, basically, 543 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: but it was it was so much fun. It was 544 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: more of a summer experience. I guess because you're it 545 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 1: was hard. Work was hard. I mean you're hurting five 546 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: year olds for like eight hours a day. It's you 547 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: were like sweaty, and but it was also like you 548 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: were friends with your fellow co counselors. And it was 549 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: the nineties, so everything was cool. Everything was cool in 550 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: the nineties. That's okay. I remember I wasn't allowed to 551 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: go to Lallapalooza or some of my like co counselors 552 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: were all going. My parents were like, uh yeah, no, 553 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: well that sounds sounds What was your summer job? Oh boy, 554 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: I had some some pretty classic ones. At one summer, 555 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: I worked at Fizzoli's Italian Restaurant. If any of our 556 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: listeners are in the Midwest, I think is where that 557 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: chain is. It's an Italian restaurant, Italian fast food. That 558 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: was an experience. I came home smelling like garlic butter 559 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 1: every night from the free breadsticks you get with every order. 560 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: I was dealing with a lot of breadsticks in the 561 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: course of my time at Fazoli's Italian Restaurant. Another summer, 562 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: I worked at Osco Drugstore, which is another one of 563 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: the you know chains similar to CVS or write Aid, 564 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: which I don't know again if it's in the Midwest 565 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: more than others, but where there was an Osco at 566 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: the mall, and so I worked there and also quite 567 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: experience retail ringing people's stuff up. And you know, no, 568 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: I did that too. It just wasn't a summer job. 569 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: That was my video store job, your video storage job, Yeah, 570 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: it was fun. Well, you know, takes all kinds of 571 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: things to and then you know, college at least I 572 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: did internships, you know, working at newspapers and magazines and 573 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: things like that. So it was good to go from 574 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: Fazoli's to the internships. I appreciated the internships a lot 575 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: more as long as they were paid. That's good. No 576 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: one paid internships. Not a fan of those. Anyway, Let's 577 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: get to the question part. So I will read this 578 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: because Sarah is somewhat flabbergasted at this question. This is 579 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: an introvert. This is an introvert extrovert. We talk about 580 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: the J versus P. This is a total I versus 581 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: E question here. So this listener is a mom of 582 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: two children who are ages four and eight months, so 583 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: very much in the weeds with the little ones. She 584 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: is a director of development at a nonprofit, so she 585 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: is doing a lot of fundraising and does this as 586 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: a volunteer type thing for some other places too. So 587 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: the nature of her job means she has to take 588 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: on a lot of forward facing relationships and responsibilities like presentations, 589 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: donor meetings, events, and in her free time, she says, 590 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: I am a total homebody with my husband and my kids. 591 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: She says, She's thrived during the pandemic staying connected with 592 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: friends and acquaintances because, you know, with something reminds her 593 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: of a person, she will text them, she DMS them, 594 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: she calls them during her commute to catch up the issue. 595 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: She has noticed that her friends always say at the 596 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: end of these conversations, let's get together. We should do lunch, 597 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: we should meet for happy hour, and she says, to 598 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: be honest, I have enjoyed having the scapegoat of safety 599 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: during the pandemic, but as COVID trends down, this will 600 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: limit how long she can use this excuse. She says, 601 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: Why can't I check in, have a conversation and wrap 602 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: it up without the pressure of needing to make plans. 603 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: I love my friends, she says, but I just want 604 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: to go home, be a family and sleep. If she 605 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: loves her friends but doesn't want to see them, is 606 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: that terrible? I have at least one friend who can 607 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: probably identify with this. But I have a harder time 608 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: and I still have a very human facing job most 609 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: of the time. So you can't say I'm not interacting 610 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: with people all day because I pretty much am. I 611 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: will say I wonder if this could be, like, you know, 612 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: just a little bit of like overwhelmed during this very 613 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: busy purity of your life, like when you have an 614 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: eight month old and you're still breastfeeding, and like leaving 615 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: them behind can be like a calculation of like when 616 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,239 Speaker 1: do I feed them? Blah blah blah, Like it can 617 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: be really tiring, and maybe you're just really tired right now. 618 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: So I give you grace if this is just like 619 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: the period of where you are. And the other thing 620 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: I will say is that just because people say we 621 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: should get together doesn't mean they have the capabilities to 622 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: actually like move forward on doing that. I mean, I 623 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: get frustrated because I feel like I tend to be 624 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: the one making a lot of plans because most people 625 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: are not like ready to get out their calendar and 626 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: send an invite or whatever. So I don't think you 627 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: have to be as fearful as you sound like you 628 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: are that people who say that actually mean it and 629 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: are going to hold you to it. So I guess 630 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: I'll just say, like, be thankful that most people tend 631 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: to be a little flicky and might just be saying 632 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: that to like, you know, make you realize that they 633 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: would be open to getting together with you if you 634 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: know that happened to happen. But I also was like, 635 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: I was kind of like, but I can't. I don't 636 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: get it, like because I was so eager to see 637 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: people socially after the pandemic that it is hard for 638 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: me to entirely wrap my mind around it of this 639 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: idea of having friends and not wanting to see them. No, 640 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: it's a I mean, yeah, she could totally be like, yeah, yeah, 641 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: let's get together and then just leave it at that, 642 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: like if you don't take the step to do it, like, 643 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: the odds that it happens are relatively low. But I 644 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: sort of more get this because if you are like 645 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: a hardcore introvert and your job absolutely requires you to 646 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: be on like, it is hard, like it is taking 647 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: a ton of energy, and I tend not to be 648 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: in many of those situations. But certainly, after you know 649 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: I've been to conferences and done like a lot of 650 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: speaking and interacting with people, I'd be like this. I 651 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: once did this bizarre thing where I agreed to like 652 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: be pitched by like thirty companies on their products or 653 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: whatever as part of when I was doing more like 654 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: business journalism and having groups of two to three people 655 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: come up to me every two minutes, like for an hour. 656 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: At the end of it, I was just like at 657 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: in a puddle on the floor. Whereas if you think 658 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: of someone like the classic extra version, someone like Bill 659 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: Clinton thinks that's the most exciting thing ever, right, Like, 660 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: it's just like, whoa more people? I get to meet 661 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: another two three people? Though, this is great? Whereas I 662 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: was just like, no, I want to slink out of 663 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: here and go hide in the bathroom. And it's not 664 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: that I'm shy, Like I'm not shy at all. It's 665 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: just like you react differently to be in person interaction. 666 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: But that said, I would suggest that our listener possibly 667 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: view some in person friendly interaction as a bit like exercise, Like, 668 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: whether you like it or not, it's important to do 669 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: at least a little bit in order to get the 670 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: benefits to your life that come from it. So, you know, 671 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: could you do something once or twice a month? Right, 672 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: Like we're not talking every week having three things on 673 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: the calendar, Like wouldn't that be great if we all 674 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: were doing that? But no, no, just like once or 675 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: twice a month, could you do something? I mean it 676 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: could even be doing something you're already doing, like do 677 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: you run, Like why don't you run with a friend? Right? Like, 678 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: And that could be a way to maintain a relationship 679 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: but not have it take any more time away from 680 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: home than you were already spending presumably away from home, 681 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: so one to two times a month, so it's not 682 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: always a thing. And you might also try to schedule 683 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: some of these when you are kind of already in 684 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: world facing mood. So I get that once you come home, 685 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: you don't want to go back out again, But like 686 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,240 Speaker 1: you could meet a friend for lunch because you're still 687 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: in that universe, and like maybe you're supposed to be 688 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: meeting donors for lunch most of the time, but like 689 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: maybe once a month again you can meet a friend 690 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: for lunch and that could fit in with their or 691 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: leaving work at four o'clock to go do a drink 692 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,439 Speaker 1: and you know you're still in sort of forward facing mode, 693 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: or the drink between the office and the event you 694 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: have to go to as part of your your fundraising. 695 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: I would also just note that, like, you know, relationships 696 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 1: are good, and some people really need that in person time, 697 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: and some of your friends may have that need, and 698 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 1: if they have that need, you want to help them 699 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 1: with that, right, Like, it's not all about you, Like 700 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 1: you may not have that in person need, but some 701 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: of your friends may have that. And part of just 702 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: being a generous good friend is helping other people meet 703 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: their needs as well. So I would encourage you to 704 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,479 Speaker 1: sort of think about that a little bit. And Hey, 705 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: maybe some of your friends know people who are going 706 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 1: to like donate to your nonprofit that you're doing development for. 707 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: So it's just you know, it's all part of meeting 708 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: more people, bring them into the fold. All right, Sarah, 709 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: I love of the week? What do you have for 710 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: this week? I have a twofold a too pronged, Okay, 711 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: My love of the week is from my childhood vacations 712 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 1: Polly's Pancake Parlor in New Hampshire, because I have such 713 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 1: strong memories of it and we went every single year 714 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: and I am trying to figure out how I can 715 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: get my family to go stay somewhere near that. So 716 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: if you have ever been there, you will know what 717 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. It's awesome good pants. Second of all, 718 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: my kids were begging for like some kind of pancake 719 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: option for breakfast and so I bought a giant thing 720 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,439 Speaker 1: of Kodiak pycake mix at Costco at Annabelle's suggestion, which 721 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: she had totally learned about from some YouTube ad which 722 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: is kind of funny, but anyway, it was extremely easy 723 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: and they were very happy today. So I'll give that 724 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: my love of the week. Excellent. Well, my love of 725 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: the week is that I am still using my camp 726 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: credits from twenty twenty. So in one camp in particular, 727 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: we wound up getting a twenty percent bonus by not 728 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: asking for a refund. So basically, if we agreed to 729 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: lend the camp the money for the year, they would 730 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: pay you twenty percent interest. And I was a little 731 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: annoyed at the time because I felt like they could 732 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: have run the camp, they could have opened it was 733 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: you know. Anyway, that's a long story. But I've now 734 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: been riding that way for two summers now because that 735 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: like twenty twenty, I was sitting a lot of kids 736 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: to that camp for a couple of weeks, and fewer 737 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: kids have been interested, like some of them have aged 738 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: out of it now. But you know, so I did 739 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 1: a couple weeks in twenty twenty one totally comped a 740 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: couple weeks in twenty twenty two, totally comped. I think 741 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: I'm out of it now, but yeah, pro rode that 742 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: train for a while. All right, Well, this has been 743 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: best of both worlds. We've been talking about planning your summer, 744 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: reminiscing about some fun summer stuff as well. We would 745 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: love to hear your summer memories. You can always email us, 746 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: post on our blogs, come join us on our Patreon community. 747 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: We love that as well. We will be back next 748 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: week with more on making work and life fit together. 749 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 750 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 751 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: and you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. 752 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please 753 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: join us next time for more on making work and 754 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,320 Speaker 1: life work together.