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Speaker 1: A lot of confusion surrounding the case, including allegations that

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Speaker 1: the Northport police mistook Brian Laundry leaving the family home

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Speaker 1: Jackson wink knees our Cut three ninety six. Northwawpg had

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Speaker 1: to say Chief Todd Garrison made that comment on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: No cases perfect. Now we all know that Bryan Laundry

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Speaker 1: did that happen? It was a costly mistake. If police

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Speaker 1: Florida Institute for Forensic Anthropology, University South Florida, and author

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Speaker 1: of Skeletal Trauma Identification of skeletal injuries resulting from human

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Speaker 1: Aaron Kimerley dot com. Dale Carson high profile lawyer joining

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Speaker 1: what can you tell me about the announcement there will

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Speaker 1: a lot about whether that could be the result he

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Speaker 1: the clothes. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. That makes it

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Speaker 1: even more critical Dale Carson, that we know the day

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Speaker 1: he left, we know the time of death, because in

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Speaker 1: those days, if he were alive out there camping, and

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Speaker 1: if he had been reporting missing on the correct day,

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Speaker 1: he could have been saved and justice could have unfolded

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Speaker 1: in a court of law. But now that will never happen.

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Speaker 1: He was a suspect in that in Gabby's death when

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Speaker 1: he came back to Florida. And what that means is,

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Speaker 1: if you're an investigator, you go, wait a minute, he

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Speaker 1: came back without her, that he may be responsible. I'd

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Speaker 1: better watch that person, Okay, I want to interview him.

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Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter that there's no pending warrant out

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Speaker 1: for him in Wyoming. It matters that you're an investigator

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Speaker 1: and you're investigating a potential missing person or a death.

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Speaker 1: And the way you do that is you put a

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Speaker 1: tracker on the car, which is simple to do in Florida.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't require a whole lot from the investigative team.

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Speaker 1: And you tracking and you do everything you can to

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Speaker 1: interview him. Even though he has an attorney, he's allowed

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Speaker 1: to talk to you. You just can't talk to him.

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Speaker 1: And so that should have been done early on in

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Speaker 1: this case, and it was never done. Similarly, the matrix

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Speaker 1: of checking. That area where the body was found has

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Speaker 1: never been processed properly as a doctor, and as Joe mentioned,

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Speaker 1: Joseph mentioned, it's just they've stopped investigating his cause of

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Speaker 1: death because I don't think they care. Cheryl Nancy, let

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Speaker 1: me tell you the biggest thing for me. There's no

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Speaker 1: camp and equipment. We haven't found a tent, We hadn't

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Speaker 1: found a bedroll, we hadn't found you know, anything that

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Speaker 1: he was eaten. There was no camping. He went out

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Speaker 1: there for one purpose and one purpose only, and we

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Speaker 1: know that now. We have stated very clearly that there

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Speaker 1: is no DNA match. There is no cood cause of

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Speaker 1: death yet, but that does not preclude us getting a

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Speaker 1: DNA match. Can't you get DNA doctor Erin Kimmerle from

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Speaker 1: the root of the tooth or if they's already skeletonized.

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Speaker 1: Does that mean you can no longer get DNA from

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Speaker 1: the bones or the tooth, Not at all. We get

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Speaker 1: DNA from both tieth and bones, so it still can

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Speaker 1: be done. It's just not done yet, and God willing

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Speaker 1: it will be done. But speaking of mistakes, let me

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Speaker 1: put that mildly. Take a listen to our cut four hundred.

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Speaker 1: This is Allison Henning WFLATV. So the mix up happened

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Speaker 1: back in mid September. This silver Mustang right here pulled

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Speaker 1: up to the home. It is Brian's car, so police

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Speaker 1: thought they saw him exiting the vehicle, but it turned

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Speaker 1: out to be his mother in a ball cap. Like really,

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Speaker 1: how does that happen? How do you mistake in a

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Speaker 1: mother or a twenty three year old boy. It's a

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Speaker 1: mix up. Many people are still trying to wrap their

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Speaker 1: heads around. Officials with Northport Police were unavailable for an

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Speaker 1: on camera interview today. In a statement, spokesperson Joshua Taylor

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Speaker 1: told eight on your Side this misidentification did not have

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Speaker 1: a big impact on costs and the investigation. Other than confusion.

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Speaker 1: It likely changed nothing. There was a very good possibility

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Speaker 1: that Brian was already deceased. He still needed to be found.

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Speaker 1: Taylor went on to say the mixup was a direct

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Speaker 1: result of a lack of cooperation from the family early

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Speaker 1: on in the investigation. Well, I believe that is true.

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Speaker 1: I believe the family, Brian Honor's family did not cooperate

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Speaker 1: with police and that may have led to confusion. I

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Speaker 1: got to defend the Northport police on that point. But

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Speaker 1: take a listen to Erica three ninety nine wink. When

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Speaker 1: the family reported him on Friday, that was certainly news

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Speaker 1: to us that they had not seen him. We thought

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Speaker 1: that we'd seen Brian initially come back into that home

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Speaker 1: on that Wednesday, but Chris and ROBERTA. Laundry told investigators

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Speaker 1: they hadn't seen their son since Tuesday. They later changed

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Speaker 1: their statement to Monday. Or wasn't just someone else? So

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Speaker 1: I believe it was his mom who was wearing a

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Speaker 1: baseball cap. They had returned from the park with that mustang.

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Speaker 1: So who does that, right, Like, if you think your

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Speaker 1: son's missing since Tuesday, you're going to bring his car

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Speaker 1: back to the home. So it didn't make sense that

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Speaker 1: anyone would do that if he wasn't there. So the

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Speaker 1: individual getting out with a baseball cap, we thought was

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Speaker 1: brint And it goes on. You're hearing right there at

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Speaker 1: Josh Hiller Northport PD. Take a listen to our cut

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Speaker 1: for zero one. Now you know the family lawyer, Stephen

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Speaker 1: Bertolino is going to weigh in on the whole confusion.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to w FLA TVR cut for zero one.

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Speaker 1: Laundry family attorney Stephen Bertolino had this to say in response,

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Speaker 1: I concur with mister Taylor that Brian may have already

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Speaker 1: been deceased when Northport PD realized that they lost track

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Speaker 1: of him. However, you can't blame the family because the

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Speaker 1: police didn't know enough to follow someone they were obviously surveiling.

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Speaker 1: Retired police Lieutenant Randy Boyd says, at that point in

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Speaker 1: the investigation, police and their hands tied Brian. At that

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Speaker 1: point was free to come and go. He was free

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Speaker 1: to come and go as he pleased. They were doing

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Speaker 1: what they thought was best and for somebody that had

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Speaker 1: no charges. This is what Taylor said about the investigation

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Speaker 1: just last Friday. If mistakes were made, their human air

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Speaker 1: involved with every investigation, it certainly wasn't from a lack

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Speaker 1: of taking it seriously or hustle or knowledge. It was

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Speaker 1: just sometimes things happen. And Northport Police tell us they

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Speaker 1: released information on this mix up to help the public

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Speaker 1: better understand why they thought they knew Brian was home

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Speaker 1: the day before they officially before he was officially reported missing. Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, he may have already been dead when they

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Speaker 1: realized the screw up. But the reality is, if they

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Speaker 1: had not mistaken the mother for brian laundry, they would

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Speaker 1: have known. I believe Earl that he was missing now

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Speaker 1: that they also played a role in that, but go ahead.

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Speaker 1: That means they missed the parents leaving together, and they

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Speaker 1: missed the dad returning by itself in the red truck.

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Speaker 1: They missed that too. But let me be very clear

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Speaker 1: with you, there is no lawyer or police officer that

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Speaker 1: would keep me silent for days with my child missing.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to tell you something. On the fifteenth

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Speaker 1: when the police come out and say Brian is a

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Speaker 1: person of interest, he won't cooperate, Bertolino and the parents

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Speaker 1: should have lost their mind and said, he can't you

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Speaker 1: cooperate if he ain't here and we're afraid something bad

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Speaker 1: has happened to him. And they didn't do that on

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Speaker 1: the fifteenth either or the sixteenth or the seventeenth, And

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Speaker 1: that's on them. Jess got marking way in So Nancy,

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Speaker 1: the timeline is the most essential piece to this. Going

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Speaker 1: back looking at this and thinking, well did they did

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Speaker 1: the police actually screw up in this case? Well, not necessarily,

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Speaker 1: because as they said, he was a person that is

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Speaker 1: free to come and go as he pleased at that

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Speaker 1: point in Tom. But this idea of confusing him with

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Speaker 1: his mother is something that is very odd in this

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Speaker 1: particular case. How is that mistake made moving forward in

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Speaker 1: this investigation because they should have been aware how many

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Speaker 1: eyes are on this case, Dael here go ahead of case.

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Speaker 1: Look in the Wayne Williams case, the Atlanta kid killing,

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Speaker 1: we suspected he was involved. He was watched twenty four seventy,

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Speaker 1: was followed every place he went, every stop he made.

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Speaker 1: There was no break in his coverage that all the

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Speaker 1: killing stopped. And that's the same thing that should have

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Speaker 1: happened here. And I don't understand why an active law

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Speaker 1: enforcement agency wouldn't pursue that with Electricy. There's also the

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Speaker 1: issue of the notebook. Is it saligeable? All of this

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Speaker 1: it's in an attempt to figure out what exactly happened

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Speaker 1: to Gabby Potito. Take a listen to our cut four

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Speaker 1: zero seven and Regina Gonzales Live now Fox. Bryan laundryes,

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Speaker 1: a notebook, and backpack were also discovered in that Northport

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Speaker 1: nature preserved last week, just a few yards away from

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Speaker 1: where his remains were found. Well though the FBI said

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Speaker 1: the area of the Mayaca Hatchee Creek Environmental Park where

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Speaker 1: the discovery was made had previously been underwater. Investigators say

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Speaker 1: the notebook could provide answers about laundrys of final days.

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Speaker 1: When asked about the condition of the notebook and whether

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Speaker 1: it had any legible writing in it, Josh Taylor with

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Speaker 1: Northport Police told of Fox News Digital quote, it appears

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Speaker 1: and may be salvageable. That really is a question for

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Speaker 1: the FBI, though, What, if anything, can we learn from

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Speaker 1: Ian Laundry's notebook? What is the truth of what happened

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Speaker 1: not only to Gabby Petito, but Brian Laundry as well.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace crime story, signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,