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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Good Stuff. I'm Jacob Shick and I'm

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Speaker 1: joined by my co host and wife, Ashley Shik.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everyone, and thank you so much for joining us

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Speaker 2: on this journey as we get to tell stories of

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Speaker 2: inspiration and perseverance. Everyone's got a story and we're excited

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Speaker 2: to share them with you.

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Speaker 1: We believe that everybody's got a story. We're telling from

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Speaker 1: the valleys to the peaks, and we're really interested in

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Speaker 1: what fed their soul to get them through their trying

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Speaker 1: times to be able to come and tell these inspirational

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Speaker 1: stories to provide a little bit of light in a

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Speaker 1: world that seems to be full of a lot of darkness.

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Speaker 2: Again, Welcome to the Good Stuff. Our guest today is

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Speaker 2: bj Gannham, who is the founder of Sierra Delta, which

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Speaker 2: is a national nonprofit that works to help all veterans

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Speaker 2: with various types of dog training to help guide veterans

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Speaker 2: to better overall wellness and health through the love of dogs.

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Speaker 1: Bj is a fellow Marine. He's also a fellow amputee.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, y'all are both blessed by fire.

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Speaker 1: But he only has the one amputation, so really it

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Speaker 1: wasn't that bad bad, No, we're comparing in comparison.

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Speaker 3: I feel like y'all are brothers separated at birth.

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Speaker 1: The two of you, quite possible. We have a lot

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Speaker 1: in common. Really, it's strange. We knew that the day

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Speaker 1: we met. We have all these things in common. I

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Speaker 1: was immediately drawn to Bj. It's just the type of

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Speaker 1: human that he is. We both played for the Wounded

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Speaker 1: Warrior ampute football team, just a bunch of veterans, some wounded,

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Speaker 1: some not to play against NFL alumni, and we have

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Speaker 1: those games one or two times a year. We both

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Speaker 1: have gotten DUIs, so you know, not something that we

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Speaker 1: like to brag about.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: We both have dealt with some really dark time, right.

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Speaker 1: We both have dealt with suicidal idiation, and we've battled

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Speaker 1: a lot of the same demons post war. And he

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Speaker 1: has one up on me being also a cancer survivor.

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Speaker 1: And he is just the he epitomizes the word warrior.

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Speaker 1: That's who BJ is. And as you well know, I

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Speaker 1: couldn't possibly love him anymore.

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Speaker 2: He's definitely a warrior, he's definitely a survivor. And we

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Speaker 2: are so excited to share this conversation with you. We

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Speaker 2: our dear friends, Marine Sergent, veteran founder and CEO of

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Speaker 2: Sierra Delta, which is a national nonprofit working to help

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Speaker 2: all veterans with various types of dog training to help

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Speaker 2: guide veterans to better overall wellness through the love of dogs. BJ.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining us here on the

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Speaker 3: good stuff.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. Absolutely proud of you guys.

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Speaker 2: You two have known each other for a long time,

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Speaker 2: and you earned your spot on the amputee flag football

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Speaker 2: team because you also have lost a leg.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, we didn't. Just for the record, we didn't lose

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Speaker 1: them like I know where mine went.

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Speaker 4: That's true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's anything like it just makes it sound irresponsible,

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Speaker 1: it really does. I just didn't have the ability to reta.

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Speaker 4: That bomb tried to take way more than just my leg,

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Speaker 4: and all it got was a few toes.

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Speaker 3: There you go. Fact, I love it.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, y'all established such an incredible friendship and brotherhood.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, being blessed by fire is only a few of us, right,

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of people that served. There's only a

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Speaker 4: few of us, and it's always a lottery. People can

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Speaker 4: always say that they were in whatever unit, but who

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Speaker 4: you can't really predict.

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Speaker 1: No, that's a fact, like it's luck of the draw.

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Speaker 1: It is so.

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Speaker 3: Are y'all any good at football?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're undefeated against NFL legends for a decade now.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I've scored a lot of touchdowns. I

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Speaker 4: don't really keep track. I've seen Jake do some pretty

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Speaker 4: amazing things with the Ninja turtle hand, and.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing what some athletics tape can do.

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Speaker 4: You know what's really amazing is I think they filmed

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Speaker 4: as I feel, which is it's physics. It is physics.

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Speaker 3: Y'all aren't as young as y'all once were.

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Speaker 1: I do remember picking offense younget go in the same.

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Speaker 2: Game, the greatest of all time. I'm a Texas long horner,

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Speaker 4: One of the greatest things is we did an off

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Speaker 4: Stablach was there and his Achilles was bothering him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so he was. He was mad at himself.

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Speaker 4: It was a year and a half later that I

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Speaker 4: He goes, I want you to know, like, my Achilles

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Speaker 4: is better. If you guys need me, just call me.

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Speaker 4: I want to play again. And I was like, sir,

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Speaker 4: have a catch in the street right now, let's go,

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Speaker 4: Like you can, don't You're all time quarterback. I don't

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Speaker 4: people criticize pro athletes for saying that they're warriors and stuff,

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Speaker 4: and I don't agree. The hardest thing you've ever been

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Speaker 4: fighting cancer, you're a warrior. If you're agreed fighting against dyslexia,

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Speaker 4: Or it is technology, it just acknowledge it that there's

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Speaker 4: this is still a jungle. So it's it's the relationships

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Speaker 1: One of those picks. I tossed it to Jen. There

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Speaker 4: There you go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she can fly.

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Speaker 4: She can fly, you can play and a lot of

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Speaker 4: the And that's what we're learning. I mean through this

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Speaker 4: kids with special needs. Right, so many other people can

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Speaker 4: That doesn't really necessarily mean that you're playing on the field.

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Speaker 4: But hey, you're a longtime Texas Longhorns fan, right, you

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Speaker 4: really great taste in clothes. And you want Texas los

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Speaker 4: shots fired, just kicking.

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Speaker 3: Find shots received. We're Texas, we're at the.

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Speaker 4: University and Nate boy is a good friend and plays

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Speaker 4: So but hey, I love all these is a small Texas.

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Speaker 2: It's all for the love of the game, and I

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Speaker 2: what a great thing y'all created in this Flag Football

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Speaker 4: That trends Bowl one this year and it's going to

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Speaker 4: see me and Jake. We got to get in shape

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Speaker 1: I'm in the process.

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Speaker 2: Awesome. Let's do it well, Bja. It is an honor

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Speaker 2: how a wrinkly English bulldog from a trailer park in

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Speaker 4: I had joined the Marines in nineteen ninety six, served

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Speaker 4: or even on the bed, and literally as the pain

434
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 4: is happening, he jumped wherever he's at. He comes from

435
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 4: wherever he's at and lays on my leg. And him

436
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 4: doing that redirecting my attention helped more so than anything else.

437
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,360
Speaker 4: But he did it on his own, and it was amazing. Right,

438
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 4: anybody has owned a dog, no matter what, that's your

439
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 4: spirit animal. You got that connection, You got that connection.

440
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 2: How much deeper was your connection with Dozer when he

441
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 2: immediately went to your pain point?

442
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 4: Oh it's huge, right, because you're like, how do you

443
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 4: even know that this is happening? For this right? Literally,

444
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 4: the dog's talents where that he could get slobbery in

445
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 4: places he thought was physically impossible to get slobber into.

446
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 4: He could clear a room with his farts and literally

447
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 4: he ate a whole pizza, piping hot pizza fresh out

448
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 4: of the oven one time and one bite literally turned

449
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 4: around to grab like my cup and came back and

450
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 4: there was the pizza was gone. He was licking his lips.

451
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 4: It was like drool coming out. I'm like, I hope

452
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 4: you burned your mouth. That was my dinner. And I

453
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 4: was like, but I'm also amazed because it's not a

454
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 4: crumb anywhere. Wow On and other people were afraid of him.

455
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 4: He could be a little gruff, but he was my

456
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 4: gruff slobbery dog, and that was the dog version of you.

457
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 4: He really was right.

458
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 2: So you're rushing headfirst into this transition from the core.

459
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: You pushed for the convalescence leave around Christmas after having

460
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 2: just been hit by the bomb on Thanksgiving. You've got

461
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 2: a good job lined up, You've got this new puppy.

462
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 2: How's the rest of your life at this point?

463
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 4: To say that my marriage was rocky, my first marriage,

464
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 4: and it's an understatement. Somebody that got pregnant, and I

465
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 4: didn't have my biological dad growing up, so I didn't

466
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 4: want to have my kids out there without their biological dad.

467
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,479
Speaker 4: It's not a good foundation to base a forever relationship one.

468
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 4: But you don't know what you don't But you don't

469
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 4: know what you don't know, and you're young and dumb

470
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 4: and you can fix it on the fly. So now

471
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 4: I have this near death exp experience, and now you

472
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 4: want to double down on it, and you're going to

473
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 4: buy the big house for the family because everybody's throwing

474
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 4: all this money at you. You're getting the new cars,

475
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 4: and I just dove into it and just really trying

476
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,479
Speaker 4: to do what I thought was the right thing, based

477
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 4: off of what everybody else's feedback was, based off the

478
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 4: American dream like that prototype, the stereotypes, they are out there,

479
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 4: and just I need to climb that corporate ladder. I

480
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 4: need to get the bigger house, to cars all that stuff.

481
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 4: But the whole was just getting bigger and bigger, and

482
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 4: there's only so much that you can fake before everything

483
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 4: rises to the top. You know, when I went through divorce,

484
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 4: I remember saying, you can have all the stuff. I

485
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 4: just want the kids to dog and my jeep, and

486
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 4: I've got a file bankruptcy. I'm short selling the house

487
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 4: that was it. I moved into that dank apartment with Dozer,

488
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 4: and I had my kids like every other night and

489
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 4: every other weekend and all that stuff. When I don't

490
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 4: have the kids, I am out tearing it up like

491
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 4: we're about to go to combat again, and drinking too

492
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 4: much but still performing right, still doing my work, still

493
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 4: turning in stuff for school, but doing too much, and

494
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 4: I get fi functioning mess, high functioning mess, one hundred percent.

495
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: And when do things completely unravel.

496
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 4: I want to say, it's like a Wednesday, if I

497
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 4: remember correctly, it was in the middle of the week,

498
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 4: and there's a bar in downtown Dell's. It's a sports bar,

499
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 4: nothing major. There was a guy who's an acquaintance. It

500
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 4: was like, Hey, I'm in town having a drink. Why

501
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 4: don't you come meet me out? And so it was yeah,

502
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 4: all right, let me finish this up. I don't have

503
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 4: the kids tonight. Those probably back a couple hours. Quick drink, slap,

504
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 4: some fives, all that stuff. It ends up being far time,

505
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 4: definitely too drunk. I knew I shouldn't have been driving.

506
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 4: You close the bar down, close the bar down, not stumbling,

507
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 4: not bumbling, And I kept it like it was no

508
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 4: erratic driving. What got me was I was doing about

509
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 4: fourteen miles over. It's one of the rural road. They

510
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 4: have it at thirty five. It can be forty five,

511
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 4: so I'm doing like forty nine. But again it's probably

512
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 4: jamming out the sound garden, pearl jam something, so you're

513
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 4: going a little faster there. It's a good night. Things

514
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 4: are good there. You got a good buzz going. And

515
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 4: then I see the lights and literally I'm pulling in

516
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 4: and I stopped just short of the parking lot, and

517
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 4: I'm just going to talk to law enforcement like we

518
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 4: always do. Hopefully it's a bro, it's a military guy,

519
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:35,239
Speaker 4: and we can work this out, and you know, they

520
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 4: asked me to do the walk the line stuff, and

521
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 4: I'm like, I got a prosthetic leg. And I remember

522
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 4: the officer she's I don't care that you lost your

523
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 4: leg in Irack, and I was like, then you should

524
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 4: just go ahead and arrest me. I remember all the

525
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 4: officers telling me that if I didn't blow, like you're

526
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 4: definitely going to jail, and I was like, I'll take

527
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 4: my chances. So when she tells me like, I don't

528
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 4: care that you were hurting the war and all this

529
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 4: other stuff, I think you've been drinking. I think you've

530
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 4: had too much, and so I unders and I'm in

531
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 4: a losing thing. So I just basically surrender and I

532
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 4: went and got processed and they actually took my leg.

533
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 4: I don't know if they did it.

534
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: To you that way, but no, yeah, because you just no.

535
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 4: And I think they were mostly mad that I wouldn't

536
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 4: blow or wouldn't give blood or any of that stuff.

537
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 4: So they took my leg, made me sleep in the

538
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 4: cell until I was deemed sober enough the next morning,

539
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 4: and didn't let me go, and so I walked home.

540
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 4: I didn't call a cab, I didn't do anything. I

541
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 4: just walked to seven miles. I had a company car.

542
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 4: I worked for craft Foods. So that means if I

543
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 4: get charged with a DUI, job is over, healthcare is

544
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 4: over for the kids, because at this point in time,

545
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 4: I'm not one hundred percent the whole time walking going

546
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,239
Speaker 4: through scenarios in your head. But what we would call

547
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 4: immediate action drills in the military, Right, what are my options?

548
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 4: What am I going to do? You know, when you

549
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 4: get into serious trouble, life altering trouble, not only for you,

550
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 4: I mean my kids. This is going to change their

551
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 4: lives drastically. That anxiety that can run away, those negative

552
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 4: thoughts that you haven't really addressed. You just put somewhere

553
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 4: else for the time being while you focused on something else.

554
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 4: That's when all that comes back in full force. And

555
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 4: I was all the way down into that muck, right

556
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 4: into that quicksand that is the harder you fight, the

557
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 4: faster it's bringing you down. And that's all the things

558
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 4: that I just said earlier, like you should have died

559
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 4: that night, that thought of death before dishonor just ended

560
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 4: just be done with it. You should have died that

561
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 4: night Thanksgiving night in two thousand and four. It shouldn't

562
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 4: have been cantaphia. It should have been you. All that

563
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 4: stuff plays in your head, guilt, shame, and you screwed

564
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 4: up everything since being back. Don't deserve to be here,

565
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 4: all this other stuff.

566
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:47,479
Speaker 1: I'm a burden.

567
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 4: I'm a burden. I suck. Yeah, I'm not the rams

568
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 4: fortune nigger. I thought it was all that stuff. And

569
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 4: then you start rationalizing everything away. The kids will be fine.

570
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 4: They got their mother, they got all the family, They'll

571
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 4: find other people. I didn't. I grew up without a dad,

572
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 4: never knew. So that you'll be fine. There's a big family,

573
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 4: they'll memorialize me. Everybody will be fine. That'll be fine,

574
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 4: That'll be fine. And so I'm rationalizing everything away. I understand.

575
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 4: Go get the pistol under the chin, the whole thing,

576
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 4: soldier's death, if you will. Instead of putting the sword

577
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,719
Speaker 4: through the spine, it's the bullet under the chin, right

578
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 4: through the brain. Blow it out. But the one thing

579
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 4: I couldn't rationalize away was the fact that if I'm gone,

580
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 4: nobody's going to want that gruff old bulldog, that slobbery, stinky,

581
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 4: kind of a pain in the butt bulldog. It'll end

582
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 4: up in the shelter and because of the breed is

583
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 4: most likely will get euthanized very quickly. That was enough

584
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 4: for me to find some footing, find something that I

585
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 4: couldn't rationalize away. Wasn't going to be any better with

586
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 4: me being gone. And it's a dog. And that's when

587
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 4: I'm looking at this dog. It's looking at me, and

588
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 4: I realized that I'm the team leader of me and him,

589
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 4: and I've got to figure out the plan because if

590
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 4: I go, he goes, and he ain't choosing this way

591
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 4: as far as he knows, there's another pizza coming eventually.

592
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 4: So it was there with that dog that you just

593
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 4: break down and you start putting together a plan. Start

594
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 4: looking into what resources do I have? The IA drills

595
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 4: are different. Now what can I do? I have a

596
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 4: huge network. I have a lot of people that believe

597
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 4: in me and we've done a lot of good together.

598
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 4: Start by being open and honest with them. Writing letters.

599
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 4: I need help, writing letters to the judge, to the

600
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 4: Chief of police, taking full responsibility for what I did.

601
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 4: And it's not saying that I did anything, and I

602
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 4: wasn't using the PTSD as an excuse. What I said

603
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 4: was I was in a bad place. This has been

604
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 4: a help, and I guarantee you I'm going to put

605
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 4: this together and you guys will never see me again

606
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 4: if I get this chance. They heard me. They read

607
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 4: the letters of all the other things that I accomplished,

608
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 4: and I kept it to my accomplishments, not to my

609
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 4: disabilities or anything, and then asked for forgiveness and received it.

610
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 4: It got knocked down to a reckless driving. I had

611
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 4: to do a ton of community service, which I was

612
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 4: fine with, pay a bunch of fines and all that

613
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 4: other stuff. But it did and they never saw me again, like,

614
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 4: never got in trouble with the law again after that,

615
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 4: because that was your tipping point. That was the tipping point.

616
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 4: And it was in those moments that I realized I

617
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 4: was having trouble with the amount of charity being given

618
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 4: to us. And know me and you have talked about this, Jake,

619
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 4: but it was in that moment in time that I

620
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 4: realized that was in charity, that was an investment, and

621
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 4: I had a responsibility to show a return on that investment.

622
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 4: And then that's when I started looking at the job

623
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 4: I was doing. What am I chasing? Why am I

624
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 4: chasing the corporate letter? Do I believe in selling cookies

625
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 4: and crackers, or am I just trying to put food

626
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 4: on the table. It was one of those I'm just

627
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 4: trying to put food on the table. I was three

628
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 4: semesters away from graduating with a bachelor's in business and

629
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 4: going I switched and got a bachelor's in psychology and

630
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 4: then got a master's in social work with emphasis on

631
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 4: military life, so that I could focus on figuring out

632
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 4: not only how to fix me or how to get

633
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 4: me right with not being a marine anymore, not being

634
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 4: a platoon sergeant, but how I was going to do

635
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 4: this for the other vests. I knew they were struggling too,

636
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 4: because that's all we had was each other. A lot

637
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 4: of times it was in these bars, and it was

638
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 4: around campfires and drinking and stuff, so that was all

639
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 4: we had. But I had to figure out a new way.

640
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: So at what point in your relationship with those or

641
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: did you realize this is a service animal to me?

642
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: And then at what point did you have the epiphany

643
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: of Sierra Delta.

644
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 4: I think everybody else realized Dozer was a service animal

645
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 4: to me before I did, because everybody would always ask

646
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 4: how Dozer was, and everybody knew it was a special relationship. Right.

647
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 4: He went a lot of places with me, not to

648
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 4: like restaurants and stuff like that, but people's houses and

649
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 4: other things. So he always had a special relationship. And

650
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 4: Dozer dies a month before I get the diagnosis for cancer,

651
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 4: which part of me is relieved. I did six months

652
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 4: of chemo and six months of radiation. I remember being

653
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 4: in my room because at this time, when you go

654
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 4: through chemo, your white blood cell count almost gets obliterated,

655
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 4: so you have to isolate yourself from your family and

656
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 4: everybody else because if you catch the common cold, you're

657
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 4: having a hard time recovering from it. And I remember

658
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 4: sitting in that room missing Dozer like crazy. He had

659
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 4: just died before I got this diagnosis. And like I said,

660
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 4: he was he's thirteen years old as a bulldog. That's

661
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 4: a hundred years old.

662
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot longer than the average ten eleven

663
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 1: years for those guys.

664
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 4: And so the one solaces I got was I was

665
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 4: grateful to God that he took them before I got

666
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 4: the diagnosis, because if I would have known, he would

667
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 4: have known, and then I think he would have hung

668
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 4: on more because I was hurting, and that would have

669
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 4: just not been a good thing, but.

670
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: A weird way. I think that's beautifully rad.

671
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 4: Even if it's just to help me not cry about them. Right,

672
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 4: it was in this moment, like in my room by myself.

673
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 4: Luckily it was lymphoma stage two, very treatable. There's no

674
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 4: fear of death. It's almost kind of like being in

675
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 4: the hospital again with the amputation, like you know you're

676
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 4: not going to die, but life's going to suck. It

677
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 4: was a lot like in the military, right we call

678
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 4: it embracing the suck, or whether it's twenty nine palms,

679
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 4: whether it's combat, there's moments some times when it couldn't

680
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 4: suck any worse, and yet we all find a way

681
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 4: to laugh and nobody says anything. It's just the chuckle

682
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 4: starts and then it just gets contagious.

683
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: Right.

684
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 4: Dozer had that same power. It's a bulldog. I mean,

685
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 4: I've got a picture of him right here and you

686
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 4: can see when he's really old, but he just has

687
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 4: that way. It could have drool just hanging and you

688
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 4: would laugh like all, I just ain't so bad after all.

689
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 4: And so it was in those moments that I realized

690
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 4: how important Dozer was to me, what I was missing

691
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 4: from Dozer wasn't any service that he provides, it was

692
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 4: just being there. It was in Chemo that all that

693
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 4: came full circle and I understood what I needed to

694
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 4: do with Shia Delta and I called it the Life

695
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 4: Buddy Program because everybody was getting confused with service dogs

696
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 4: and still are. There's service dogs, there's emotional support dogs,

697
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 4: there's companion dogs, there's there dogs, there's facility dogs, there's

698
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 4: working dogs.

699
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 3: But there's so many vets that don't need a highly specialized.

700
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 4: They just need a do Ninety eight percent of us don't, right,

701
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 4: Like even the dog I have now is Loki okay,

702
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 4: and so he's a mutt out of the shelter. I mean,

703
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 4: we kill in this country eight hundred thousand healthy, trainable

704
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 4: and adubtable dogs every year. So there's plenty of resources

705
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 4: out there. There's thousands and thousands of dog trainers. And

706
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 4: we have a partnership with a Department of Labor and

707
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 4: it's called the Sierra Delta Life Buddy Apprenticeship Program. And

708
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 4: it only takes two years to become a proficient dog trainer.

709
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 4: That's it, So we can create more of these dog trainers.

710
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 4: Is what do you think half the veterans want to

711
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 4: do when they go through our program becomes we call

712
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 4: them dog trainers, right, So this is a great way

713
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 4: to get them there and they can do it as

714
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 4: a side hustle or go on as a career because

715
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 4: we're giving out grants for that. Absolutely how humans and

716
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 4: dogs have been working together for thirty five thousand years.

717
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 4: This is a relationship set in stone. We've got scientific

718
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 4: data coming out the Wazoo showing that if a person

719
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 4: is highly stressed and is in the dogs and pets

720
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 4: of dogs, their stress levels go down. And the great

721
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 4: things by empowering the veterans to tell us what kind

722
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 4: of dog do you want in your life and what

723
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 4: do you want it to do for you? Most of

724
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 4: them are just like, I want this type of dog,

725
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 4: and I just don't want it to run away. I

726
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 4: wanted to be able to go camping with the family.

727
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 4: I want it to walk nice on lead, all that

728
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 4: kind of stuff. Have a good teammate, have the good

729
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 4: left and right ladder limit know what you're going to do.

730
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 4: And the most common thing I hear from veterans is

731
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 4: that I knew you were going to train my dog.

732
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 4: I didn't know you're going to train me too, but

733
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 4: I like it, and so we have a YouTube channel

734
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 4: out there sunder Sierra Delta. We've got these veteran vignettes

735
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 4: and they're one to three minutes long. You can see

736
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 4: all the diverse types of vets and what they say

737
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 4: their dogs do for them and how Sierra Delta helped

738
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 4: them get there.

739
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: Beach tell us about a few of these vets and

740
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: their dogs.

741
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 4: So if you watched the Drew Barrymore interview that I

742
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 4: did on her show back in December, I brought Stephanie

743
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 4: Marvin Miller with me and she works for US now.

744
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 4: But she was raped in the army by your NCO.

745
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 4: He was charged, sent to jail, and she was turned

746
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 4: down by thirteen service dog providers saying that they don't

747
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 4: deal with military sexual trauma. I just I don't even.

748
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: I can't even.

749
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 4: So the last one that was turning her down, I

750
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 4: had a friend that worked there. He called me. He's like, listen,

751
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 4: we're gonna have to turn her down. Can you help her?

752
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 4: I was like absolutely, And so I talked to her.

753
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 4: She's in a place that she would think that she

754
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 4: would be in, very dark, unsure. She can't understand why

755
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 4: no one's willing to help her and that these dogs

756
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 4: have been proven, and I was like, don't worry about that.

757
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 4: We got her tied end with Southeastern Guy Dogs down

758
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 4: in Florida. She had a dog within six month, Leland.

759
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 4: That was back. That's three years ago now, and like

760
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 4: I said, she's working for us, she's working on a

761
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 4: book talking about her experience. She's married, she's got and

762
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 4: she talks about Leeland and having this process is what

763
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 4: helped her get through that. And it's very simple, right.

764
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 4: We've got le Otto, he's one of our best ambassadors

765
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,479
Speaker 4: right now and his dog Sage, and they've been together

766
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 4: for three years. He's got four purple hearts. This guy

767
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 4: you're talking about overachiever, but he's not missing any limbs

768
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 4: or anything. But he's got you still believably bad luck.

769
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: So he.

770
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 4: Was a typical angry event and we were just an

771
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 4: event with his parents and they talk about how Sage,

772
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 4: his dog, totally changed him and this whole process that

773
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 4: he's in has made him a different person. And he

774
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 4: talks about the purpose, the empowerment having a job again,

775
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 4: having a role to play in the community is just

776
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 4: asking them to utilize their network utilize that relationship with

777
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 4: your dog in a way that achieves wellness for you

778
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 4: and the dog. However, you guys define that and it's simple.

779
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 4: It's walking your dog, which is good for you, your dog,

780
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 4: playing with your dog, teaching it new tricks, getting a

781
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 4: new routine. All that stuff is all beneficial. Aaron Hale

782
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 4: is one of the vets. He's both deaf and blind

783
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 4: human right, awesome human being. We worked with Foot Delco

784
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 4: Guide Dogs to get that because he also wanted a

785
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 4: German shepherd, right, So we take those things into consideration too.

786
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 4: Is what's in their mind's eye is what do they

787
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 4: want their spirit animal to be.

788
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: It's clear what an impact does are made on your

789
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: life at a time where you needed him the most,

790
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 2: and your passion to do this for other veterans is

791
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: just incredible, and we can't say enough to say thank

792
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: you for what you've done.

793
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 3: The service.

794
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 4: After the service, that's the important part. That's actually how

795
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 4: you're going to get better, and that's what we try

796
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 4: to tell people. You don't have to wear a uniform

797
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 4: and grab a weapon to serve your country.

798
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: So we have a couple of questions that we ask

799
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 2: all of our guests and we'll start with what do

800
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: you do to relax and recharge?

801
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 4: Wow, it seems for the past couple of years I

802
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 4: have not relaxed and recharged as much as I should.

803
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 4: One of the things that I do love to do

804
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 4: is just to get out into nature and hike, either

805
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 4: with the kids and the dog or just the dog.

806
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 4: That's my jam. Like we live in Wisconsin, so we

807
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 4: have wilderness around us, so I'll just sneak away with

808
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 4: the dog and just get back into nature for a

809
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 4: little bit. But my youngest boys, Knocks and Roads, are

810
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 4: nine and seven, and so this year we did an

811
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 4: RV trip through Utah and I'll hit five national parks

812
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 4: and we've done some other trips. So we do this

813
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 4: thing on social media called Daddy School. We started it

814
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 4: during the pandemic when the kids had to stay home,

815
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 4: and it started outill teach them how to poop in

816
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 4: the woods and all that other stuff. And what we've

817
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 4: done is really just try to capture life lessons right

818
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 4: and share them. And it's so fun to watch the

819
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 4: kids like, oh, Dad, this will be good for Daddy School.

820
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 4: All this stuff right, get into it. So like I

821
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 4: love my family, like my wife Sarah. She's just a fan,

822
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 4: a huge fan. She works for Meta. She's doing great

823
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 4: things too. And I love the life that we're building

824
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 4: and I do love the work I'm in.

825
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: Is there a specific person or organization or entity that

826
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: you can think of that has had a major impact

827
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: on you.

828
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 4: That's a long list too. People My godfather, ed Linton,

829
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 4: who passed just recently last year, huge impact. Like you

830
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 4: talking about a person that didn't have a father. He

831
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 4: grew up in an orphanage too. So family is the

832
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 4: keystone of everything about me. Brine Corps obviously, like that brotherhood,

833
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 4: the Boston Marathon survivors, we flew out there to help

834
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 4: when all that happened and just be there and just

835
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 4: be like, hey, your life isn't over, even though you're

836
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 4: missing pieces, and the relationships that are built through them,

837
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 4: and seeing how it would be different if I wasn't

838
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 4: in the military. Like to have insurance companies look at

839
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 4: a human being and say, oh, you want a running leg.

840
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 4: That's a privilege, right, You're gonna you only get like

841
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 4: the basic and it's well, running a privilege, and it's

842
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 4: just it opened my eyes to a lot more and

843
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 4: their relationship that's endured. So that happened in twenty thirteen

844
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 4: and we're still fast friends. We keep track and we

845
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 4: keep up. It's been people like you, Jake. It's been

846
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 4: people that we've met along the way, and even people

847
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 4: I don't know their names. I know you're a lot

848
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 4: like me that you have random conversations with somebody on

849
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 4: a plane, but it impacts you, it changes you, and

850
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 4: you have to get to a point to where you're

851
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 4: open to that to be able to learn something every day.

852
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 4: Stay humble. It's all the cliche stuff that is at

853
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 4: Walmart on every type of wood or paper.

854
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 3: Right, graphic, teas, graphic, but it is true.

855
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 4: But it's just accepting it.

856
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: What feeds your soul.

857
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 4: People, I have too many people in my life that

858
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 4: I care about, and that's a good problem to have, absolutely,

859
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 4: and I'm looking for more because I do think we

860
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 4: can do whatever we want in this life and that

861
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 4: there's never been a better time to be alive than

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Speaker 4: right now.

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Speaker 3: Well said b J.

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Speaker 2: Cannam.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: That is the good stuff, and we truly appreciate you

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Speaker 2: and your friendship and all that you've given to this

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Speaker 2: country and all that you're continuing to do.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, thanks for being on the team, and proud of

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Speaker 4: you guys for putting on this good stuff. More people

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Speaker 4: need to hear the good stuff that's out there, and

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Speaker 4: you guys are leading the way.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what, brother, you preach it well

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Speaker 1: and often, and it really is an honored privilege. And

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Speaker 1: I love you, brother, and I appreciate you, and we

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Speaker 1: are we're seriously honored, humbled and privileged to have you

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Speaker 1: not even on this show, but in our lives.

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Speaker 4: So thank you, Dito man.

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Speaker 2: Such an incredible story and I cannot imagine a world

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Speaker 2: without BJ in it.

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Speaker 1: Nope, it's definitely a better planet with him on it.

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Speaker 1: So thank God to Dose and.

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Speaker 2: His perseverance and his tenacity to keep going through all

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Speaker 2: of the highs and all of the lows and everything

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Speaker 2: that he went through. And it took him staying the

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Speaker 2: course and figuring out, hey, I've got more to live for,

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Speaker 2: I've got more to do for this world. And he

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Speaker 2: could have just moved forward and lived his life, but

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Speaker 2: he didn't. He decided to go back and contribute and

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Speaker 2: now he's changing other people's lives.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like I said in the intro, BJ

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Speaker 1: epitomizes what it means to be a warrior post war.

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Speaker 1: He's a shining example of the fact that you can

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Speaker 1: be a benefit to society and your nation without wearing

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Speaker 1: a uniform. And that's why I love the guy, because

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Speaker 1: he's one of the most selfless humans I know. And

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Speaker 1: it doesn't surprise me at all that he's been able

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Speaker 1: to do all these things and achieve all these things,

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Speaker 1: and develop all these relationships and literally leave a footprint

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Speaker 1: that will be I mean, there will never be another

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Speaker 1: beach again. Right, He's the one and the only, and

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Speaker 1: he's just an inspiration just by drawing breath.

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Speaker 2: Agreed. And if this story inspired you and touched you,

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Speaker 2: please feel free to share it. If you've got a

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Speaker 2: story you'd like for us to share, please reach out

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Speaker 2: to us, connect with us, because this is the whole

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Speaker 2: purpose of the Good Stuff.

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Speaker 3: It's to share these.

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Speaker 2: Stories to provide that inspiration that we all need on

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Speaker 2: a daily basis.

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Speaker 1: Go be great, lean in, love hard, live well. You

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Speaker 1: can't do the last one without fully doing the first two.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to the Good Stuff.

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Speaker 2: The Good Stuff is executive produced by Ashley Shick, Jacob Schick,

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Speaker 2: Leah Pictures and q Code Media, hosted by Ashley Shick

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Speaker 2: and Jacob Shick, Produced by Nick Casselini and Ryan Kant's

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Speaker 2: house post production supervisor Will Tindy. Music by Will haywood Smith,

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Speaker 2: edited by Mike Robinson, sound effects by Eric Aaron, mixed

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Speaker 2: by Ryan Sanchez