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Speaker 1: The volume. Now it's time for this week's Redeem Team member,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Hulu's Chad Powers. This week it's

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Speaker 1: Jake Moody, the Bears kicker released by the Niners after

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Speaker 1: having a rough Week one. On Monday, Jake got redemption

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Speaker 1: four field goals, including the game winner against the Commanders.

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Speaker 1: Chad Powers now streaming with new episodes Tuesday on Hulu

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Speaker 1: all right, instant reaction listen. The Bears won twenty five

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Speaker 1: twenty four. It's a road win for the Chicago Bears,

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Speaker 1: and they just don't do that very much. So they

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Speaker 1: beat the Raiders on the road right with a block kick,

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Speaker 1: and they beat Washington despite a three to zero turnover advantage.

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Speaker 1: They needed a Jake Moody thirty eight yard field goal

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Speaker 1: to win. I mean, here's all the positives. The Bears

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Speaker 1: offensive line did a great job tonight creating massive running

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Speaker 1: lanes for DeAndre Swift. DeAndre Swift was the star of

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Speaker 1: the show. Had over one hundred and sixty total yards,

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Speaker 1: could have been about one hundred and seventy and a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: You know, Caleb Williams was good enough, still misses too

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Speaker 1: many throws she got him make in the NFL consistently,

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Speaker 1: He's not as accurate as Jaden Daniels, but he didn't

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Speaker 1: make that big mistake or two that Jayden Daniels did,

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Speaker 1: including that late fumble where Washington was going for the win.

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Speaker 1: And you know what I mean, that's the NFL. You

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Speaker 1: can't make mistakes these three four or five minute left,

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Speaker 1: these big drives, that's the game. Justin Herbert makes a

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Speaker 1: big play or Baker Mayfield makes a big play and

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Speaker 1: you win these games. When a quarterback like Jaden Daniels

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Speaker 1: gets a bad handle, you lose those games. And the

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Speaker 1: Bears defense pounced on it. Montee Sweat created a fumble early,

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Speaker 1: getting a big hand in there and punching the ball out.

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Speaker 1: So I thought, overall, there were so many positives. Again,

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Speaker 1: this is a franchise that can't win on the road,

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Speaker 1: that hasn't had a quarterback throw for four thousand yards

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Speaker 1: and to go on the road. The Bears had much

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Speaker 1: better energy in this game, especially in the first half.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Chicago came out thirteen to nothing lead, totally

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Speaker 1: dialed in. You know you're disappointed because you're settling for

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Speaker 1: Bears don't win these games. That's not a game the

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Speaker 1: Bears win. So you just take it. You take the

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Speaker 1: twenty five twenty four win. You know, Jake Moody as

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Speaker 1: a kick blocked. Otherwise you'd kind of thought it was

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Speaker 1: you know, most of the time thirty eight yards, You're like,

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Speaker 1: it's good. But you know, he kicked a ball low,

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Speaker 1: very low directory and it got blocked. And Jake Moody's

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Speaker 1: history in San Francisco was at best spotty. So there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of drama at the end, but there's so

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Speaker 1: many good things to take out of this. The run game,

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Speaker 1: there were a huge, huge holes all night. I thought

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson's play calling a couple of really nice screens

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Speaker 1: dialed up in crucial situations. Bears had too many penalties,

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Speaker 1: Bears weren't great on third down. But it's the road.

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Speaker 1: You know, again, Ben and Caleb have played together, you know,

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Speaker 1: have six games together. You're winning. I mean, just you

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Speaker 1: won the game, and you know it was Washington that

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Speaker 1: made the crucial mistakes, the crucial you know, red zone pick,

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Speaker 1: Daniels almost pulled it out. He's a tremendous player. Accurate,

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Speaker 1: But I was just kind of blown away by the

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Speaker 1: aggressive defense and what can you say about the offensive line?

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Speaker 1: And that's about as good an effort on the road

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Speaker 1: You don't. You don't worry about the margins too much.

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Speaker 1: You know, you watch the NFL. I watched the NFL.

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Speaker 1: They're just those games. Like Denver was awful against the Jets.

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Speaker 1: Now you get to go home and play the New

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Speaker 1: They won five hour flight home, thanks for flying United.

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Speaker 1: So that's going to be a nice Bears flight home.

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Speaker 1: The other thing about Chicago this year, you know, with

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Speaker 1: It's absolute, it's clear, it's definitive, or don't blow it.

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Speaker 1: Buffalo's got two problems? Mike Vrabel has been coaching the

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Speaker 2: Yeah to me, I mean they're ceiling rests on those

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Speaker 1: So I when I picked the Niners, despite an easier

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Speaker 2: And I'm totally with you. Like his comments. You they

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Speaker 1: did everything wrong, and it's why the NFL is so popular.

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Speaker 1: Denver was so much better than the Jets and won

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Speaker 1: thirteen to eleven. But at the end of the first half,

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Speaker 1: the Jets, Aaron Glenn calls for a fake punt, they

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Speaker 1: converted and the next play he runs the ball. Well,

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Speaker 1: why would you take that risk and then not going

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Speaker 1: to your two minute offense. I've never seen anything like it.

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Speaker 1: Kurt Warner was incredulous. He and Eisen just were like laughing.

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Speaker 1: And then at the end of the game when Justin

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Speaker 1: Fields was atrocious and one thing we know, Justin Fields

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Speaker 1: does not see the field. Well, they have him going

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Speaker 1: on deep drops when they can kick a sick two

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Speaker 1: yard field goal or go to Tyrod Taylor in the

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Speaker 1: second half at some point, Tyrod's true, Yeah, they don't

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Speaker 1: go to Tyrod Taylor. They don't like to kick the

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Speaker 1: field goal, and in that last drive it's deep drops.

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Speaker 1: By listen, you need like eight yards to get into

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Speaker 1: field goal range. If you have to run, do whatever

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Speaker 1: you have to do. But quick drops, tight end, you know,

444
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Speaker 1: a quick drag route anything. I think the Jets are

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Speaker 1: the worst coach team in the league, and I feel bad,

446
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 1: but there are coaches Rich Kotai, You're just overwhelmed, Freddie Kitchens.

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Speaker 1: It's just too big of an assignment. My interpretation is

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Speaker 1: they just can't do anything right. They are officially the

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Speaker 1: worst franchise in the league. And I'm including Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would also include the GM. But

451
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Speaker 2: to me, it's a tandem deal. They give Sauce all

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Speaker 2: that money, they kind of invest in the team. Justin fields.

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Speaker 2: To get forty million dollars over two years based on

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Speaker 2: his resume was insanity. I mean, some of these get

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Speaker 2: the forty nine ers got mac Jones for two years,

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Speaker 2: seven million dollars at no point in time during their career.

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Speaker 2: Mac Jones dealt with Belichick, and not like the in

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Speaker 2: the prime Belichick, the Belichick we see now. It's honestly,

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Speaker 2: it's kind of a reflection of like, actually, ma's pretty

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Speaker 2: impressive that he was able to overcome kind of that mess.

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00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 2: Justin fields can't play within the pocket. He has no feel. Now,

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Speaker 2: the Jets offensive line is also regressing. They were getting

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Speaker 2: beaten all game long, so you factor into their offensive tackles.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't block the edges. He has no feel for the pocket.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they could have had fifty sacks a day.

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Speaker 2: It felt like he was gonna get sacked on every

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Speaker 2: drop back. I'm with you calling these long dropbacks. But

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Speaker 2: he gets back to investing in him in the first place.

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Speaker 2: That's that's insanity. If anything, just take a deep breath,

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Speaker 2: you know, higher sign same thing a Gardner minshew, just

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Speaker 2: take it. But to give him two years and thirty

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Speaker 2: million dollars guaranteed based on what he got bench the

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Speaker 2: previous year, which we could argue if he should have

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Speaker 2: or not, but even before that, like that, that was insane.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they are this franchise they feel a little,

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Speaker 2: you know, kind of like the Raiders five, six, seven

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Speaker 2: years ago, I mean really really rudderless. And the problem

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Speaker 2: is their owner has unlimited money. They have a high

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Speaker 2: priced team. It's not like they have some young and me.

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Speaker 2: They're paying Garret Wilson a lot, their pays at Gardner

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Speaker 2: a lot. They're paying Queen Williams a lot. That They've

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Speaker 2: invested a lot of first round picks in different guys

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Speaker 2: and high picks they've invested. It's not like their quarterbacks cheap,

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Speaker 2: you know. I mean, they they are, They're a disaster.

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Speaker 2: They the Broncos got really lucky because bo Knicks. Now, listen,

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Speaker 2: I do agree with you. It's hard to go overseas

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Speaker 2: in general. The Broncos played the Eagles last week and

488
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Speaker 2: they took all their stuff with them and then flew

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Speaker 2: to London right after. So they've been gone forever. But

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Speaker 2: three completions in the second half. Yeah, for you know,

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Speaker 2: a first round pick, a bunch of you know, good

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Speaker 2: wide receivers and a high level offensive coordinator. And even

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Speaker 2: bow Nick said after the game, like we got no rhythm.

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Speaker 2: That's when they got very lucky. They're playing in a

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Speaker 2: nep team because they lose that game. If they're just

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Speaker 2: playing like the Saints.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was thinking about this. If we go back

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Speaker 1: to the twenty twenty four quarterback draft class, Jayden Daniels

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Speaker 1: number one, Drake May has emerged as number two. Bow

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Speaker 1: Knicks today is three. Caleb's on his heels at four.

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Speaker 1: I won't even count J. J. McCarthy. Penix is five.

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Speaker 1: I still think Pennis has a chance to work, but

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Speaker 1: I think bow Knicks he's had some really bad halfs.

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Speaker 1: Not Philadelphia Eagles bad halfs, but pretty bad halfs. And

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Speaker 1: I'll say this between Mims and Franklin and Harvey and

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Speaker 1: Evan Ingram had a big catch on a fourth down,

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Speaker 1: Denver's got really nice personnel. I'll argue this all day long.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a top I think the Broncos have

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Speaker 1: a top five roster bulls at left tackle. They have

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Speaker 1: real players, So I think it's it's it's I mean,

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Speaker 1: Bo's nineteen oh thirty one hundred and seventy five yards

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Speaker 1: a touchdown. No picks, runs very very well, but he

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Speaker 1: missed a couple of deep balls. He does not throw

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Speaker 1: the deep ball particularly well. He's got an arm, but

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Speaker 1: it feels like to me on the deep ball, he

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Speaker 1: has no touch on the deep ball. He just lets

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Speaker 1: it go. And maybe because he didn't throw a ton

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Speaker 1: of them. He's a pretty good intermediate thrower. He's exceptional

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Speaker 1: under eight to ten yards. He's very accurate. He just

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Speaker 1: doesn't throw a good deep ball, and Sean Payton has

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Speaker 1: receivers who can get open deep, so I think it's

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Speaker 1: a I think Sean Payton privately is frustrated.

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Speaker 2: How could he not be. I also think he's kind

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Speaker 2: of caught because he should use his legs more. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but Sean Payton, for the most part, I mean, became

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Speaker 2: a superstar with a quarterback that never scrambled. So I

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Speaker 2: mean part of this offense timing, get rid of the ball.

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Speaker 2: But there are plays where it's like the guy's on

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Speaker 2: open bow. Take off. You're a really good athlete and

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Speaker 2: that the commentators, I would say, over the course of

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Speaker 2: this season have been saying that he's very I would say,

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Speaker 2: hesitant a run on spots. We don't need you running

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Speaker 2: all the time, but just take off. He always wants

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Speaker 2: to throw, and it's just hurting him. He's scrambling like

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Speaker 2: backwards into the side to keep plays alive with his arm,

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Speaker 2: and from a throwing standpoint, it's just not really working out.

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Speaker 2: Now that their defense, like you said, their team, their

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Speaker 2: roster's fantastic, their defense, they don't have their lock playoff team,

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Speaker 2: so Whufunga might have saved the game with that pass

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Speaker 2: breakup on the second to last pass by Fields. They're

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Speaker 2: going to be a playoff, a lock playoff team. They

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Speaker 2: have one of the easiest schedules left that they are

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Speaker 2: gonna win. Honestly, they should win the division, especially based

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Speaker 2: with the Chargers injuries and you know we're recording this

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Speaker 2: before the Chiefs game. But they got no chance to

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Speaker 2: make a real run the playoffs. Their quarterback doesn't play better.

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Speaker 2: That's right college football in the NFL, once you get

548
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Speaker 2: the best opponents playing the best opponents, your quarterback has

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Speaker 2: to play well. If he doesn't, you lose. John mattierbad

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Speaker 2: Bo Nicks. That's where they got very lucky. To me,

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Speaker 2: they lose this game. I think if they're playing like

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Speaker 2: thirty other NFL teams, it just got like you said,

553
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Speaker 2: the worst coached, just the worst team in the league,

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Speaker 2: whose offense is who's atrocious?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean justin Fields isn't good. But I

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Speaker 1: said this when he went to the Jets. He went

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Speaker 1: from the Bears defensive coach, Steelers defensive coach, Jets defensive coach.

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Speaker 1: He's not good enough to overcome bad coaching. In Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: in a six game stretch. He was four and two

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Speaker 1: and look competent. It goes to show you Pittsburgh, maybe

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Speaker 1: inartistic Pittsburgh wins a lot of games. And let's just

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Speaker 1: talk about that because it's not a great game, but

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Speaker 1: it's worthy of discussion. So Dylan Gabriel had to throw

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Speaker 1: fifty two times. I mean, go look at the box score.

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Speaker 1: If he didn't watch the game, he can't have him

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Speaker 1: he threw for twildred and twenty yards. He can't have

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Speaker 1: him throwing fifty two times. He was getting crushed all

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Speaker 1: game two. His tackles are getting beating like a drum.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk Chargers who ended a two game

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Speaker 1: losing streak. Chargers twenty nine, Dolphins twenty seven. So there

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Speaker 1: was Listen, the Miami Dolphins could have drafted Herbert and

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Speaker 1: they drafted Tua. So I was a bigger fan than

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Speaker 1: Herbert out of college than Tua. But not a lot

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Speaker 1: of gms. There were a lot of gms that liked Tua.

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Speaker 1: Chris Greer, who I has been a GM for ten years,

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Speaker 1: and not a lot of Pro Bowlers. I mean they've

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Speaker 1: they've battle line gave Tua an extension. It wouldn't have

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00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 1: been my call. But Tua had three picks today and

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Speaker 1: Herbert put on a show. Twenty nine to thirty eight.

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Speaker 1: No Quinton Johnson, four backups on the offensive line. There

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Speaker 1: was a play at the end of the game. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Herbert is just getting attacked. I mean, he's he leads

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Speaker 1: the NFL and getting hit since I think since he

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Speaker 1: was drafted. I think he's I think he's been hit

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Speaker 1: more than any quarterback in the league. So he's got

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Speaker 1: backups everywhere. No Quinton Johnson, it's Lad McConkey and a

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Speaker 1: number three running back and some backups. Four backs on

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Speaker 1: the offensive line. So as they trail late, the Dolphins

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Speaker 1: score here, they come back. It looked like the Dolphins

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Speaker 1: were going to win. Herbert breaks a tackle from a

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Speaker 1: defensive lineman, and this is why traits you're a former

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Speaker 1: NFL scout, this is why traits matter. Ta doesn't escape that,

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Speaker 1: Brock Purty doesn't escape that. It's just one of those

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Speaker 1: things that smaller quarterbacks Kyler Murray doesn't escape it. Herbert

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00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: at six five and a half two thirty five and

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00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: strong bounces off a defensive tackle, escapes somehow moving to

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Speaker 1: his left gets Lad McConkie, who flies down the sideline.

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Speaker 1: They ultimately win it with a field goal. And in

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Speaker 1: my takeaway in that game is it highlights the Miami

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Speaker 1: problem when you draft Tua, who's a smaller quarterback and

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Speaker 1: not as athletic as Herbert. I mean, and again Chris

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Speaker 1: Career wasn't alone. There were people that love Tua. Is

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Speaker 1: I look at Mike McDaniel, Tua set after the game,

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00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 1: people are missing meetings, people are late. It's like, holy crap,

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Speaker 1: Tuas calling out Mike McDaniel. You know, But I thought

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Speaker 1: this was overall, this really puts a ribbon on the Dolphins.

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00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: When you watched Herbert Carrie, only San Francisco's more banged up.

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00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: When you watch Herbert carry a completely depleted roster on

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Speaker 1: the road from behind to win over to who's home,

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Speaker 1: who's comfortable, who's got most of his weapons? To me,

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Speaker 1: it was like, this is the definition of why the

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Speaker 1: Dolphins are the Dolphins.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I thought the Herbert play was the

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Speaker 2: play of the day. I mean, given that the injuries,

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Speaker 2: that felt like they were going to lose the game,

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Speaker 2: you know, the defense kind of gave it up at

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Speaker 2: the end. I mean, Waller's wide open in the corner

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00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: of the end zone for two to throw them a

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Speaker 2: little lollipop, and then he breaks that tackle sack for

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Speaker 2: the throw. And then mcakey. I mean, how good have

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Speaker 2: those two guys been since they've linked she I mean,

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Speaker 2: holy moly. I mean mccakey is he's like a Wes

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Speaker 2: Welker meets Edelman. I mean, he's just stude. But Herbert

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Speaker 2: there was you know, I understand what Tua was saying,

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00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: and we've known about the dysfunction in Miami now for

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Speaker 2: a while. It's pretty embarrassing. But I also think, like Tua,

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Speaker 2: you threw a pick. You guys are up sixteen to

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Speaker 2: thirteen and throw a pick over the middle of the field,

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Speaker 2: and that pick doesn't get thrown if you're justin Herbert,

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Speaker 2: because he has a much stronger arm well the ball.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you have a weaker arm, like Philip

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Speaker 2: Rivers threw a lot of picks as great, it's an

633
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Speaker 2: easier ball to catch. So if his timing's a little off,

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Speaker 2: you know, Peyton Manning's ball, if he's a little late,

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Speaker 2: is much more pickable than Cam Newton throwing a hundred

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Speaker 2: mile an hour fastball, and you just watch Tua's ball

637
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: kind of floats and the Charger defender was able to

638
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: jump right in front of the route. The guy was open.

639
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 2: But when we talk about arm strength, obviously that doesn't

640
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 2: determine if you're going to be a great player. Not

641
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: Peyton had an average arm at best. But Tua is

642
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 2: nowhere near the guys with average arms. There were great players,

643
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 2: and makes mistakes constantly. And that was sixteen to thirteen

644
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: and then boom, three plays later, the Charger are up

645
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: twenty three to thirteen. And I just think that you know,

646
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 2: two is a pretty average player, which listened relatively. League's

647
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: still better than a lot of guys, but he is

648
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 2: not talented enough. We talk about Baker Cleveland, can't overcome it,

649
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: Mac Jones with Belichick and that disaster the last couple

650
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: of years. Can't overcome it. Tua, this Miami thing, no

651
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: chance you put Tua on. You just gave him to

652
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell right now. I bet he'd look a lot better,

653
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 2: right And you know, Kevin O'Connell said this over the offseason.

654
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: Most teams fail quarterbacks. We know TWOA is very limited

655
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 2: we've know Jared Goff's been limited since he was playing

656
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: at Cow. Can't move. Guess what the Lions don't ask

657
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 2: him to do. Move? Guess what they asked him to do.

658
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: Get rid of the ball fast? You know. I think

659
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: sometimes Mike mc Mike McDaniels is asking two like these

660
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 2: deep dropbacks, push the ball down the field. Guys. He

661
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 2: has an average arm and part of it now he

662
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: has to carry the team. But they have all these little,

663
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: tiny receivers. Even when Tyreek was there. It's like, I

664
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: don't know if I would have built a team that

665
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: way first off. And now it's like Waddle's an excellent

666
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: player and made a yeah, awesome catch today down the sideline.

667
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: But like I would try to get bigger body Listen.

668
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's gonna work in Caroline or not,

669
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: but I do understand the logic of we need to

670
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 2: get this big body guy for a little quarterback. Yep, McMillan,

671
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: the wide receiver from Arizona. Why cause harder for him

672
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 2: to see, gives him a bitter catching radius to a

673
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: throw and do tiny little guys and he's a tiny

674
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 2: little quarterback. Well, yeah, Herbert can see the tiny little

675
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: receiver or Brady can see that they're six foot five.

676
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: It's the opposite with Tua. This is a math equation.

677
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: And then when you factor in his arms week and

678
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 2: I give him like I actually think too, he's earned

679
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: my respective like being mentally tough, and you know he

680
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: battles through like he doesn't tap out. I mean, he

681
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 2: still runs around when he's got a million concussions. But

682
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 2: the organization's embarrassment. I just think that the to a

683
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: thing they it's it's more like he turns the ball

684
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 2: over a lot and he's got issues, but the whole

685
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 2: organization around him is just I mean, it's pretty low level.

686
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Speaker 1: If you had Two as a quarterback, you need a

687
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: good backup quarterback. They've never had that. And you need

688
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,479
Speaker 1: a good offensive line. It's stunk since he's been there.

689
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: They've had good defensive fronts. They don't know what they're doing.

690
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: I think about this all the time when I started

691
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: the volume. When you start a company, you have to

692
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: have an identity. What are we? What aren't we? Let's

693
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: stop chasing this. We're not this, we are this. If

694
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: two is your quarterback, you have to have a good backup.

695
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: You also have to have good protection, good pass pro.

696
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: They've never done a good job with that. So there's

697
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks that won today, Baker Mayfield and Justin Herbert,

698
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: who had no business winning. Both are on the road,

699
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: both missing multiple starters, star players Joe all Rashaun Slater,

700
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: Quinton Johnson or Bucky Irving, Chris Godwin, Mike Evans, Abuka,

701
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield and Justin Herbert. If you wondered what the

702
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: difference between the haves and the have not quarterbacks in

703
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: this league. Herbert and Baker on the road win games

704
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: with almost forty percent of their star missing. And I

705
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: thought when you watch Herbert juxtaposed with Tua today, tu

706
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 1: is throwing pick after pick and guys are bouncing off Herbert.

707
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: It's like, folks, that's that's a guy that will never

708
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: pull a team. Herbert and Baker are pulling. They're they're

709
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: not They're not trailers, they're tractors. They are pulling offenses.

710
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: But Mike McDaniel said last year that players that the

711
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: fine system didn't work to team meetings right. He couldn't

712
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: get guys to show up on Well, TUA, you think

713
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: people that they can't find you are going to show

714
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 2: up to players only meetings like that's the culture has

715
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: already been established. Nothing matters, right that the standard doesn't exist.

716
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: And this is what happens when you have a guy

717
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: that no one respects and you bring them back and listen,

718
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: that's not a shot in Mike beca'se just clearly the

719
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: players do not view him like an authority figure. And

720
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: there you can be a nice guy. Right. Andy Reid

721
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 2: is good friends and has close relationships with his player.

722
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 2: They also view him as an authority figure. Of if

723
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: he says something is at eight o'clock, there is a

724
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 2: level of respect to show up at seven fifty five.

725
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: No one's asking you to be Tom Kaughlin and be

726
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 2: twenty minutes earlier year late. But when a coach says,

727
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: it's not even it's just basic business. Right, everyone's there,

728
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: we're making time. Our time is valuable. We've never had

729
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: less time with all these rules. Show up and they

730
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 2: weren't showing up to the team meetings last year, and

731
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: they why do you think Vic Fangio was like, I

732
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 2: want out of that. McK fangiels said, joke, get me

733
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: out of here. It's nuts. Yeah, Howie, throw me a lifeline?

734
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: And I think Stephen Ross like, I don't even want

735
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: to deal with this go you know this is but

736
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 2: that was a reflection of Mike and the organization. And

737
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: in fairness to Mike, this has been going on even

738
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: with Flores that no one's ever on the same page.

739
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: Let me to say I thought about this today. Most

740
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: of the great culture creators, Vrabel, Mike Tomlin, Dan Campbell,

741
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: I would say Sean McVay feels bigger than he is.

742
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: He an out is. There's a physical component to them.

743
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: And you could say, what about Belichick. Brady set the culture.

744
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 1: Let's be honest about it. Like Brady ran that locker

745
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 1: room like players were intimidated if Brady, I mean Brady

746
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: l worked every player. He was a legend, he was

747
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: the goat. Brady set that culture as much as Belichick.

748
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel. I mean, if you walked into Google, looks

749
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: like some guy that would be I'm not trying to

750
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: be mean spirited, but you're walking up in front of

751
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: six foot seven, three hundred pound three hundred twenty five

752
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: pounds alphas. There is some you cannot discredit the value.

753
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: Have you ever stood next to Dan Campbell or Mike Vrabel.

754
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: These are huge men, and Mike Tomlin's an intimidating man.

755
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: So you either have to be intimidating in terms of

756
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: volume or intensity. Sean Payton's intimidating, like like when you're

757
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: around him, Shawn's expertise and his intelligence, Andy Reid success

758
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 1: volume like he's he's a yeller, or there's a physical component.

759
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: I said this when he first got hired. He didn't

760
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: look like a guy that was going to walk up

761
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: in front of a room and command respect from a

762
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: bunch of fifty five guys that average six four two twenty.

763
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 2: No one thinks that, especially if you go back to like,

764
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 2: you know, I was watching Early this morning and they

765
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: are doing something on Brian Schottenheimer, and they were talking

766
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: a lot about Marty you know, or Bill Parcels or

767
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 2: some of those guys, Jimmy Johnson. Obviously, these guys, if

768
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: they got into a physical altercation with the player, are

769
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 2: going to lose. But I bet if you asked a

770
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: lot of those players, they'd say, I never knew when

771
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: the guy might actually snap on me. And again I

772
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 2: knew I could beat the guy up, but like he

773
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: had an im atimidation factor. You go what back you

774
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: watch some of those cowboy practices. You know, Jimmy's fifty

775
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: years old screaming at Charles Haley. You know I grew

776
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: up on you know, Bill Walsher, retired George Seffert. He

777
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 2: was terrifying. I was like, this guy is just no

778
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 2: one messed with him, And I think there's an element

779
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: of that. Obviously, Mike McDaniel is never gonna have to

780
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: fight any of these guys. But they look at him like,

781
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 2: in what world would you wouldn't take that guy seriously

782
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 2: if he was your friend's dad and he got mad

783
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: at you over at his house playing video games, if

784
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: you were a fifteen year old kid.

785
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's be honest, there is if you

786
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 1: fiz football not softball. I mean, it's part of the deal. Okay.

787
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to Matt mosey in a long time

788
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: host of the Doomsday Podcast with Ed Werder, but Ed's

789
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: not here today, So let's just say Matt's the host

790
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: and Ed will have to give, you know, deal with

791
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: all the you know, land mines after this. So, first

792
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: of all, long time, no talk. It's I thought this

793
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: was a four win team. I thought Schottenheimer was going

794
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: to be a disaster, and yet the offense is cooking

795
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: with no CD. Lamb. They're rebuilding the old line. Jamonte

796
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: Williams looks pretty good. They don't have a number one receiver.

797
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: I think Pickin's is more of a two. What is Schottenheimer,

798
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: who hadn't interviewed for a head job in a decade

799
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: and a half?

800
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: What's the secret sauce here?

801
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: By the way, I mean, they have CD coming back,

802
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 3: so you know, I think we would agree he's a

803
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 3: legit line.

804
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: He's great.

805
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 3: Pickens playing himself into a big contract. And see, Jerry

806
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 3: has all this room now to deal with, you know,

807
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 3: getting trading Micah. He's got all the cap room in

808
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 3: the world, so Jerry can can move around and do

809
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 3: some things. It really is kind of sad, though, because

810
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 3: it feels like it's gonna be wasted. They're gonna win

811
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 3: more than four games, but they're losing games. And this

812
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 3: is probably the best Dacs ever played. This is the

813
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: most comfortable he's been. And thinking about what you just said,

814
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: without CD, with Pickens in that last game, without even

815
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 3: a run game, I mean, you know, Bobby Brown from

816
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 3: Texas A and m the fifth year player out A

817
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: and m and whoever else Carolina was lining lining up,

818
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 3: you could name them all.

819
00:43:59,080 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: Colin.

820
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: I mean, they had Juvante bottled up and still that

821
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 3: was fine. And they're scoring thirty points a game. And

822
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 3: they had one hiccup and that was in Chicago, and

823
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: they had a really bad outing against Caleb in Chicago.

824
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: But maybe Ben Johnson is turning that thing around. But

825
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 3: this is a real this is but the offense is great.

826
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 3: It looks so much better, honestly than even McCarthy because

827
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 3: they're just more inventive. They're getting more people involved. Their

828
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 3: running game looks better, like what they're doing with their

829
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 3: tight ends. I mean, think about that. Ferguson didn't have

830
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 3: a touchdown all of last season. I only get a

831
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 3: single touchdown, he said, like four in the last four weeks.

832
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: But he's on a roll. And then you know he's

833
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 3: doing for Pickens what Romo used to do for the

834
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: La Run Robinson's and the you know, you remember, oh Miles

835
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 3: they had, I mean they've they've had some Miles Austin.

836
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 3: You know, Romo used to elevate guys, and Dak's even

837
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 3: doing that because Pickens looks incredible and he's looking a

838
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: number one. But I think your four win I think

839
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 3: they'll exceed that, but only Colin because the NFC East

840
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 3: is so bad, Like this thing looks bad right now,

841
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: and this could have been a year with a league

842
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 3: average defense, Cowboys could have a great shot of winning

843
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 3: this division. That's how bad the division looks right now.

844
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: And they're not going to be able to do it

845
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 3: because this defense is horrific and there's no I don't

846
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 3: really see any path Foard, like anybody you could bring.

847
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Speaker 1: In what I've said this it's the Shaq Kobe trade.

848
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: The Lakers knew for two years Shaq was going to

849
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: go to Miami with d Wade and win more than

850
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: Kobe was. But in the end it was the right move.

851
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: I think I am the only syndicated voice, TV or

852
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: radio that has said I love moving back. Jerry's a

853
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: deal maker. In the last two years, he couldn't pay

854
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: eight million dollars for Derrick Henry. You took the oil

855
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: man and the Maverick and you muted his ability to

856
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: do he deals because they were too top heavy. And

857
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: now Dak is playing great. So you go in to

858
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: a draft next year with two ones, and you don't

859
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: need a quarterback. Meaning let's say let's say they finish,

860
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: they have the eighth pick, eighth pick, ninth pick. They

861
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: could move down to fifteen, grab another three or a

862
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 1: four or five, rebuild the defense. You know how it works.

863
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: Defense is about collisions, is about blowing stuff up. You

864
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 1: can walk in as a pass rusher, as an elite

865
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: corner or a linebacker and play as are rookie and

866
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: have an impact. I mean, Fred Warner did Boss do

867
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: Micah did? You're not asking a tight end to learn

868
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: how to block out a college or a quarterback or

869
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman where even if you're good, it takes

870
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: a year. I think Dallas is going to take those

871
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: first two draft picks. They're going to upgrade their defense.

872
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: They'll have money to buy another playmaker. Kenny Clark's a

873
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: nice getting that deal. I think Dallas long term is

874
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,479
Speaker 1: better without Micah. I just think you're going to lose

875
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,959
Speaker 1: this trade because Green Bay is gonna win playoff games

876
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 1: and you're gonna look bad. You're gonna look like Kobe

877
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: with the Lakers waiting to get gasol shacks in Miami

878
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: winning and everybody crushes you for two years, but in

879
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: the end, Gasaul was the better fit.

880
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: Okay, but the quarterback is going to be thirty four

881
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 3: or thirty five years old by the time you're turning

882
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 3: the corner and getting all these picks in, so you

883
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 3: might have to go get another quarterback too. And you're so,

884
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 3: I mean, what's happening right now is they're wasting a

885
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 3: brilliant year he was second. I mean, I know we

886
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 3: beat up on him, and you have and I have

887
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 3: over the years to a certain extent. He was number

888
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 3: two in the MVP voting just two years ago. Yeah,

889
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. Does he get hurt too much?

890
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: Yes? Does he run the ball anymore?

891
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: No?

892
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 3: But like he's making right now, he's as effiicihent. I mean,

893
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 3: there's not a quarterback in the league playing more consistently

894
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 3: and throwing the ball better than Dak right now. Totally

895
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 3: and totally, And I just don't know if they can

896
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 3: turn it around as quickly as you're talking about. And

897
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 3: Plus what a deal to do to eber Flus and

898
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 3: even Shoty, what a deal a week before, seven days

899
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 3: or five days before the deal? You trade your one

900
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 3: huge defensive playmaker. And it's not just all they're struggling

901
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 3: against the run, they struggling aainst the pass.

902
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 2: It's a disaster. It's a disaster.

903
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 3: So while I agree and it's interesting to see what

904
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: they do with it, they're going to be on their

905
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 3: third defensive coordinator in three years because if eber Flus

906
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 3: continues down this path, this isn't sustainable and they're not

907
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 3: going to give him another season, and so Shoty has

908
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 3: to fire him. I mean, although it's not Shoty's decision.

909
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 3: And again that's where it all comes back to. I mean,

910
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 3: Jerry meddles so much he didn't even allow this new

911
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 3: internal candidate to hire his own defense coordinator. I think

912
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 3: ebra Flus was in the building and probably hired before

913
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 3: they'd even fit the deal with with Schottenheimer. So again,

914
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 3: this is the backwards dealings of an owner's slash gem.

915
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 3: But I mean, I it'd be great if they could,

916
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 3: if they could turn it and flip it. I mean,

917
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 3: they'll have two first round picks next year. Maybe they

918
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 3: find somebody, but I mean, think about what they're missing

919
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: right now. They don't have a decent linebacker. There are

920
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 3: two stud defensive backs. They are two studded cornerbacks that

921
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 3: are ninety million worth ninety million in the contracts, combining

922
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 3: for about thirty six to forty million this year just

923
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 3: on this year's books are horrible right now. They don't

924
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 3: have anybody's playing safety. They're playing Donovan Wilson completely out

925
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 3: of position. They don't have a linebacker that can make

926
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 3: a tackle. I mean, it's bad. This is this makes

927
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 3: like Rob Roan, you know, look look almost like he

928
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 3: knows what he's doing.

929
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 2: Now, you know, go back to some of those guys

930
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 2: they struggled with.

931
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 3: So it's it's just I guess to me, Colin, I

932
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 3: see what you're saying, and I'll be interested to see

933
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 3: what they're able to build moving forward. But as I've

934
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 3: said to you before, it really is a gut punch

935
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 3: to have lucked into two quarterbacks.

936
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: Yeah or twenty years now.

937
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 3: The Green Bay Packers have done it for thirty Yes, now,

938
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 3: I'm not saying they locked into it, although the trade

939
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 3: for far if you can say what you want, and

940
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 3: they got Aaron Rodgers lay it way later than anybody

941
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: ever thought Rogers would go in the first round, but

942
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 3: they've had thirty years of great quarterback play. Cowboys are

943
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 3: entering year twenty of tremendous quarterback play and have nothing

944
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 3: to show for. At least the Packers have one super Bowl.

945
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 3: At least they can point to one super Bowl. Cowboys

946
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 3: have zero and not even ANFC title game.

947
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: You know, listen, we know coordinators often get elevated to

948
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: head coaches and they're just not built for it. And

949
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: there's probably a few position coaches that get elevated to

950
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 1: coordinators and they're not built for it. Failure, you know,

951
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: it's it's it's just part of football. I mean, I

952
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: say this all the time. Jason McIntyre and I talked

953
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: about it. The other day. He asked, who's the next

954
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: great automatic hire? So when the Broncos hired Peyton, you

955
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: knew it would work. When the Chargers hired Harbaugh, you

956
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: knew it would work. I argued in the off season,

957
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: the Patriots were going to double their win total. Mike

958
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: Vrabel was gonna work about every other year. I mean,

959
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy to Dallas was going to have some success.

960
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: He's a solid coach. He and Aaron Aaron can be

961
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: hard to get along with. It's it's funny if Schottenheimer leaves.

962
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: So McIntyre asked this question who's the guarant And there's

963
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: about one every other year where you're like, oh, yeah,

964
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: that'll win games. Peyton Harbaugh, Vrabel McCarthy. If I said

965
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: to you, Brian Schottenheimer lasts a year, is there a

966
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: name I gotta I'll throw it out at you. You're

967
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: gonna think I'm crazy here. You're gonna think I'm crazy.

968
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: Belichick to do No. Bill Belichick taking over. Bill Belichick

969
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: takes over the Dallas Cowboys college is a disaster. He

970
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: doesn't fit. He doesn't have a college sensibility. Belichick, by

971
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: the way, is not good with personnel, and that you

972
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: could go to him and say, Bill, we do not

973
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: trust you on personnel. We need a coach.

974
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: He's go nuts. He only no, it wouldn't have been.

975
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 3: But I think he's embarrassed himself and I think he's

976
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 3: hurt his credibility so bad. He hasn't damaged his legacy

977
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 3: that will always be there, but he can't.

978
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 2: I don't see him leading the team.

979
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 3: And the fit's not good because the guy he learned

980
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 3: from and he came up under, Bill Parcells has already

981
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 3: been with the Cowboys. And let me tell you, man,

982
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 3: I love Bill and still keep in touch with him.

983
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 3: That was the most miserable I ever saw, Jerry. Jerry

984
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 3: cannot function in a world with a head coach like that.

985
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 3: So and to your point about McCarthy, isn't that funny?

986
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 3: You know what I'm seeing right now? When you say

987
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 3: who are going to be the hot coach in the NFL,

988
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 3: his name is one of the first ones you see.

989
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 2: It's same things James Franklin.

990
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 3: Right now he bottoms out with Penn State, and by

991
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 3: the time these hires are made, Franklin's going to seem

992
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 3: like these incredible choice for these SEC openings, right Florida, Auburn,

993
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 3: Franklin wanted Vandy. He's coaching the SEC like Franklin's going

994
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 3: to be a hot name.

995
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 2: And he just he.

996
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 3: Just bottomed out three of the worst weeks in the

997
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 3: history of college football. But yeah, that's a fascinating thing

998
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 3: to imagine, Belichick. But Jerry likes having a good time

999
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,959
Speaker 3: too much to put up with having a bad time

1000
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 3: to have a good time, if you know what I mean,

1001
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 3: he can't. Yeah, and now he would like the Jordan

1002
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 3: Hudson aspect of it. Jerry would like that. He would

1003
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 3: like some of the side show. If some of that

1004
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 3: came to town. But dealing he would not want I mean,

1005
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 3: Bill wouldn't want an owner out there. Now here's the thing.

1006
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 3: Shot he's doing well enough as an offensive coach that

1007
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 3: Jerry's kind of excited. So Jerry is in the mindset

1008
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 3: right now of if we just get if we do

1009
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 3: something to get the defense going.

1010
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 2: We can do this with Shody.

1011
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 3: We could do this with Shoddy because there's a belief

1012
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 3: right now with a way Dak's playing that they found

1013
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 3: the perfect guy for Dak. So there won't be a

1014
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 3: firing after this season. I know, I remember you saying,

1015
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 3: maybe Shot he could be one and done. But Shot,

1016
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 3: he's doing too well on offense. He's doing too well

1017
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 3: on offense, get fired. So they have to go with

1018
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 3: their third defensive coordinator in the last three years. They

1019
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 3: cannot hire defensive coordinators. They're horrific at it. Mike Nolan

1020
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,919
Speaker 3: was horrible. Quinn had a pretty good run. Quinn gets

1021
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 3: hired to be a head coach. Then they have two

1022
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 3: more bad ones. They had Rob Ryan before Marinelli and

1023
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 3: Monte Kiffin. That was a rough That was kind of

1024
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 3: a rough scene. They were kind of you know, they

1025
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 3: were past their prime. They're right, really just can't. They're

1026
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 3: horrible at it. You know what, By the way, isn't

1027
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:33,800
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1028
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 4: That that Garrett's never gotten another opportunity, because it's like,

1029
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 4: if you're decent with the Cowboys and you win a

1030
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 4: ton of games, and I promise you when they interviewed

1031
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,239
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1032
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:49,560
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1033
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 2: Blew them all away, like they were. They were blown

1034
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 2: away by Garrett.

1035
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 3: But I guess his his time as the offensive coordinator

1036
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,080
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1037
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 2: I guess.

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