1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: production of My Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. The one 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: they called Ben is currently not here, but he assures 7 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: us he's on a secret mission and he will be 8 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: returning soon and maybe one day we will find out 9 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: what that mission is. We are joined as always with 10 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: our superproducer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson, who was 11 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 1: here on the ones and twos and threes with some 12 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: awesome nails which you should see. I was just about 13 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: to ask what the three was, and it's the I 14 00:00:54,440 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 1: guess it's the awesome nails. Yep. Um, you are you 15 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: are here and that makes this stuff they don't want 16 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: you to know. I've got to put out a call 17 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: for this. If you think you know what Ben's secret 18 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: mission is, we want to hear from you, so right now, 19 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: reach out to to us, maybe to him on social media. 20 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: You can look up Ben Bolan on all the social 21 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: media's you will find him. Uh, let's let's figure out 22 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: what is his secret mission is together. Well, your guess 23 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: is truly as good as ours, and I love that. 24 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: I feel grateful for that, honestly, exactly so mysterious. Okay, 25 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna do some listening to mail. I got to 26 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: kind of beefy ones um that I heard that you 27 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: heard from a listener that responded to something that we 28 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: talked about pretty recently. Yes, brown Eyed Girl is the 29 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: person we're gonna be hearing from. And Brown Eyed Girl 30 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: wrote to us via email conspiracy at I heart radio 31 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: dot com. You can write us too, Brownie Girl says, 32 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: I was delighted that someone took an interest in the 33 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: changing propaganda laws state side. It interesting to use the 34 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: phrase state side. Maybe they don't live in the United States, 35 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. When I first found out about the 36 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: fact that US was sending propaganda across the world, I 37 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: was shocked, as any little patriot would be. Then a 38 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: decade ago, when the gloves were taken off in American 39 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: citizens were treated like anyone else on the world stage. 40 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: I realized that maybe what I was learning in school 41 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: might not be correct, accurate, or truthful. One of the 42 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: groups you talked about was Voice of America or v 43 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: O A, which was a Central Intelligence Agency funded radio 44 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: channel which was meant to change the hearts and minds 45 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: of anyone from Portugal to Peru. V o A has 46 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: a current budget of nearly a quarter billion dollars and 47 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: broadcasts in forty seven languages. This instrument of Uncle Sam 48 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: is not my reason for writing. I write because of 49 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: its leadership under Ronald Reagan. Dick Carlson, father of Callback 50 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: to Strange News EPISO from This Week Tucker Carlson, was 51 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: the director of v o A during the Reagan administration 52 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: and later became the CEO of the Corporation for Public 53 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: Broadcasting the folks who bring you PBS. Wait a minute, 54 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: but I thought that Carlston was also heir to the 55 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: like Swanson's food family fortune. Was he also the head 56 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: of the Swanson's Food family fortune. I know nothing. I 57 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: am just reading what sorry, carry on? Carry on, uh, 58 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: bron girl continues. Years later, Dickson Tucker would be rejected 59 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: from joining the c i A. I have not confirmed this. 60 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: I do not know if this is correct. When lost 61 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: with no direction after being turned down, his father told 62 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: him quote, any idiot could go into broadcasting. Oh ouch, 63 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: that that stings. Uh, and that is where Tucker Carlson, 64 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: the shock jock of cable television, came from. My personal 65 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: thought is that maybe talking heads like Tucky okay interesting 66 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: are actually working for the same employer his father had, 67 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: i e. The CIA. But rather than promoting coups in 68 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: Albania and the fall of the Soviet Union, the cable 69 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: news crowd might be dividing America against one another to 70 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: distract us from the bigger issues at play. It would 71 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: not be hard quote, any idiot could do it so 72 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: real quick. It was Tucker Carlson's mother, Patricia Caroline Swanson, 73 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: who was an heiress to the Swanson enterprises. Um so 74 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: he's got big influential folks on both the mom and 75 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: the and the dad's side. Nothing like a Swanson's family dinner. 76 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: Is that? The thing? I can't remember? We have those 77 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: good poppies. You know, Swanson's turkey potpies are pretty good. 78 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy within Brown Eyed Girls email. 79 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: My conspiracy is that the divide in America is being 80 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: exploited by the powers that be to keep the public 81 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: occupied with identity politics rather than noticing we are all 82 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: Americans and we are all getting our pockets picked by 83 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: the same predatory pecker heads. Oh uh whoa whoa strong 84 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: language there returning. If you go through the career of 85 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson, his whole career is simply being divisive, from 86 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: his time in print media to CNN's Crossfire, where they 87 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: had a conservative Tucker argue night in and night out 88 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: with Chris Matthews, to his Fox News show where there's 89 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: no substance to his arguments, Jose Devil's advocacy and twisted 90 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: statistics and fearmongering. What if this is just what his 91 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: father did, only for a new audience. What if all 92 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: the arguments we are having as a nation are just 93 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: the government throwing up smoke screens so we do not 94 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: notice the real things going on in the background. Just 95 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: a thought. If you ever want a crazy read, just 96 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: look at Dick Carlson's biography online. One hell of a ride, 97 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: Best regards Brown Eyed curl Well. I mean, I've I've 98 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: always felt pretty confident that we're getting equal amounts of 99 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: bullish from the left and the right when it comes 100 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: to certain levels of government. Uh, and that a lot 101 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: of the rhetoric and things that get you know, assigned 102 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: kind of pet projects and sort of the more emotional issues, 103 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: those are all smoke screens, even if they're good ones 104 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: that like are you know, ultimately things that are positive 105 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: or whatever. Um, I think they're smoke screens as well, uh, 106 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: in in that context. So I you know, being a 107 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: politician requires a lot of smoke screens and a lot 108 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: of like general kind of appeal, you know, and uh, 109 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: and also sometimes that can be found with divisiveness. So 110 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: I think it's a pretty good point. I don't know, 111 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: it feels like an odd thing to come to terms 112 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: with in like in my mind at least and perhaps 113 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: in yours too, thinking about the mission of someone who 114 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: is both a spy of some sorts and a broadcaster 115 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: who has a big stage, right, that's a weird concept 116 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: because you know, I missed the spy part. So is 117 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: the is the sense here that the Tucker Carlson's father, 118 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: who was the head of the corporation probably broadcasting, was 119 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: acting on behalf of some other government. I'm sorry if 120 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: I spaced on that part. Oh, that's that's okay. Uh. 121 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: The point was that Voice of America was funded at 122 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: least in part by the Central Intelligence Agency because it 123 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: is a propaganda effort. Okay, so so it's our spies 124 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: trying to divide in a way that is beneficial to 125 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: certain operations and you know ideologies perhaps, yes, Um. And 126 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: the connection there from the v o A and the 127 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: c I A to uh public broadcasting is Dick Carlson 128 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: because he was running the v o A and then 129 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: became CEO of got that broadcasting right. Thank you for 130 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: the clarification. Um No, And I yeah, I mean, look 131 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson. You can look at his career and he 132 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: pushed boundaries as far as was acceptable at the time, 133 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: and then pushed him a little farther and got a 134 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: little more popular, and then pushed him a little farther 135 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: and then a little farther. He's very much like an 136 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: Alex Jones kind of figure in that respect. We started 137 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: sort of being performatively obnoxious and uh and then gradually 138 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: started ramping up his rhetoric to the point of like 139 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: this fever pitch where it could be interpreted as like 140 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: dangerous fearmongering, you know at some point. Yeah, And in 141 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: the end, because of the nature of the business that 142 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: he's in, Tucker is beholden to the people who run 143 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: the channels with one paramount mission get viewers as many 144 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: viewers as you can advertising. We also know that a 145 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: lot of big corporations give to both political parties equally 146 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: in some ways because it's all about control and it's 147 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: all about like doing whatever they can to get viewers. 148 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: So sometimes when you ascribe virtue or some sort of 149 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: ideology that you can identify with that you think is 150 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: based in some way on like real stuff to a network, 151 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: to a television network, I think that has misplaced optimism there, 152 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Almost every time, you know, 153 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: unless it's a smaller one, you know, or like a 154 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: publicly funded but again even is this causing the question 155 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: like NBR and stuff too, But like you know, certain 156 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: smaller ones that can go hard in the paint in 157 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: their particular direction because they're not beholden to the same 158 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: you know, overlords as like a Fox News or a 159 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: CNN or you know, MSNBC or whatever it might be. Yeah, 160 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: it would be weird if we found out like there 161 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: was some connection to the CIA with public broadcasting, right, 162 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: it would just paints drives in a different light for me, 163 00:09:55,559 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: like okay, what is that for? Then? Oh all right? 164 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: What it? It'd be funny too if all of a sudden, 165 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: your pledge driver word started becoming like an invisible ink 166 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: pens and like spy craft kind of stuff because the 167 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: c I was sort of pitching in. Yeah, I hope, no, 168 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: I absolutely love PBS and yeah that's good stuff. But yeah, 169 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: but it's also I can see too how folks on 170 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: the other side think that they're like radical liberals is 171 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: as a term of abuse, but I can see how, 172 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: you know, if you're if you don't fall on that 173 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: side of the fence and you listen to some of 174 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: these folks, that you could hear a lot of like 175 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: what you might consider virtue signaling or things that are 176 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: like totally canceling out your perspective, which too too many 177 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: might be abhorrent. But I can see how that divide 178 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: is also like fuel for the fire, you know what 179 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: I mean, Like, I don't know here you for sure, 180 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: well that is the perspective of brown eyed girl. Why 181 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: don't you write to us, just like that person did, 182 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: to let us know what do you think about all that? 183 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: I want to get Ben's perspective as well. So if 184 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: you're somehow out there in the ether listening Ben wherever you, 185 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 1: maybe we'd love to hear from you on this too. 186 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: Wait wait, well he's not coming through right now. I 187 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: heard it. I heard it. I heard a woosh. I 188 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: think I heard all Right, Hey, hey, hold the phones. 189 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick pause for a work from our sponsor, 190 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,599 Speaker 1: and then we'll come back and resume this fascinating conversation. 191 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: And we've returned, how about we pivot entirely, um, from 192 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: government conspiracies to allegations of the supernatural variety, specifically ones 193 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: tied to religion. Uh, spirituality. You know what you think 194 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: happens when you die? What is a soul? Where? Where? 195 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: Where do the thing that makes you you? What happens 196 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: to that when your physical body dies? Um? And we 197 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: had just some thoughts from Skeeter, who wrote in Matt 198 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: Been Nule Michian Control and codename dot Holiday. Hello, hope 199 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: everyone is well. Huge fate of the show. I'm writing 200 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: just to share some opinions, thoughts, and theories I have 201 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: that I feel it may interest you. Firstly, I just 202 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: want to share my personal thoughts on reincarnation. It basically 203 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: boils down to this, If there is a soul, then 204 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: it would likely exist as some yet unknown form of 205 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: energy that is capable of carrying data from one being 206 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: to another. Now, energy can't, as far as we know, 207 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: be created or destroyed, So if the soul or some 208 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: analog of it does exist, then it stands to reason 209 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: it would follow the same rules. Thus, dying may just 210 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: be that energy changing forms, and once it has some 211 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: kind of triggering interaction, it will change forms again and 212 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: inhabit another object. Now, I will say that this is 213 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: basically just me trying to reason out how physics could 214 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: possibly explain both the soul and reincarnation. And this is 215 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: what I came up with. Uh, there's a lot more 216 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: to it, but I guess you could call this the 217 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: elevator pitch. A damn fine pitch it is. I've certainly 218 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: thought about this as well, um in terms of like 219 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: the soul being something that is sort of immeasurable. But 220 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: you know, we we tend to scientifically to chalk it 221 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: up to firing neurons and things that exist in our brain. 222 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: But yet we really can't find the thing the center 223 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: that sort of makes I mean, we can, we can 224 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: definitely dissect the brain. And finally, this is the part 225 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: of the brain that like you know, has cognition or whatever. 226 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: But it's still not the same exactly. It all feels 227 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: very procedural and kind of mechanical. But the idea of 228 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: like that thing that makes you you, this all encompassing 229 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: oneness that's kind of within you, is it energy? And 230 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: if it is, then by reason again they say energy 231 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: can't be created or destroyed. Does it go somewhere? I 232 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: don't know how it would like pop into something else, 233 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: but it does call into question or bring up the 234 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: idea of like where does it go? And do you 235 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: Presumably you go there with it, but also presumably we 236 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: need all this equipment that we're endowed with in order 237 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: to interpret whatever that thing is. So maybe it's just 238 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: something unknowable. And once it's disconnected from our little skin 239 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: suits and you know, brain computers, then it doesn't even 240 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: know anything anymore. But it still is this like source 241 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: you know, I don't, I don't know. It's it's fascinating 242 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: to me, and it's an interesting boiling down of something 243 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: that's very complex into like a way of trying to 244 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: scientifically explain it. Yeah, oh yeah, um it makes me 245 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: think back to gosh, it was a long time ago. 246 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: There was a movie called twenty one. Graham oh, yeah, 247 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: about what the weight of the soul is. And you know, 248 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: when you die, supposedly you're like a little lighter or something. 249 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: Is that sort of the story behind it? Yeah, well, 250 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: it goes back to an early experiment. I think it's 251 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: like nineteen hundreds, maybe maybe nineteen o seven or eight 252 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: or something like that, but there was an experiment to 253 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: test if the body loses any mass at the moment 254 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: of death, and I think there, gosh, it's been a 255 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: while since I've read up on this, but I know 256 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: that there was some success, at least according to the 257 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: people running that experiment. They were saying, yeah, the body 258 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: lost around twenty one grams. I forget exactly like what 259 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: that other measurement is, but it was like twenty one 260 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: point three grands or something like that. And with further information, 261 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: with knowledge and looking back at the study, the general 262 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: consensus is that the study itself was very flawed in 263 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: in its methodology and you know what it was attempting 264 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: to prove. But it's a fascinating concept, right, How interesting 265 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: would it be if that energy that you're talking about, Noel, 266 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: did physically leave the body? Like could you measure it? 267 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: Is there a way? Is it possible. Yeah, and it 268 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: also immediately just googled does energy have weight? Um, and 269 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: then a physics website van dot physics to Illinois dot 270 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: e du came up with the things says, a box 271 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: of light weighs more than an empty box. The reason 272 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: is that all forms of energy have weight. Um. And 273 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: again I'm not a physicist. I'm not not a scientist, 274 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: not barely assigned, not assignedists at all. But I'm also 275 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: seeing some conflicting reports that says UH in URC dot gov, 276 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: which is the Nuclear Regulatory Commission UH, one form of 277 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: radiation is pure energy with no weight. This form of radiation, 278 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: known as electromagnetic radiation, is like vibrating or pulsing pulsating 279 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: rays or waves of electrical and magnetic energy, So that 280 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: would make sense. I guess that that doesn't have weight 281 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: because it's just vibrations moving through matter that already exists. 282 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: But the idea of like certain pure forms of energy 283 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: are like radiation or whatever, the idea that it has 284 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: mass is interesting to me. UM. I would like to 285 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: look more into that, but on a cursory google the 286 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: you know, this seems like a smart website. It's in 287 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: the physics department at you. You see, UM seems to 288 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: think that all forms of energy have weight. So scientists, physicists, 289 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: particle physicists, uh, theoretical physicists out there, let us know 290 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: where you fall on that or if there is just 291 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: a hard and fast answer to that question. But no, 292 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: when you're when you log into fortnite, let's say, sure, 293 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: and you which I do clearly on the regular, and 294 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: you pick up your controller and you inhabit your character, 295 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: does your inhabiting of that character, like the model of 296 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: that character add any weight to it? Is there an 297 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: energy flowing through that character that that makes it well different? 298 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: That character is an automaton that you are can trolling 299 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: like a puppet based on inputs on a device that 300 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: are then sending signals to that avatar to make it move. 301 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: It's not a force within it per se. That is 302 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: like causing neurons to fire and electricity. But it is 303 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: kind of to your it's a really because because touche okay, 304 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: because that avatar is a part of it is one 305 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: with the programming of that simulation that is created right 306 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: the simulation itself as it functions and moves, as the 307 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: CPU runs in the the you know, the graphics processing unit. 308 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: All of those pieces of hardware run in the inside 309 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: that simulation. That character is the same as the other 310 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: pixels that are represented on whatever screen you're playing on. Weird, 311 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: it's weird to think about what it is with us. 312 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: It is. It is because also like programming in ways, 313 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: if you like, look at digital versus analog, like analog electronics, 314 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: for example, is electricity being manipulated and and like you know, 315 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: with resistors and things like that, you know, like it's 316 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: increasing the energy decreasing. So that's like electricity moving through 317 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: a system. Obviously, computers and things that we use like 318 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: PlayStations or whatever to interact with like programming, it has 319 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: that to a degree as well. But the programming language 320 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: is more or less a virtual recreation of the way 321 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: electricity moves and like kind of like inhabits things. So 322 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: the question is are those two things completely separate. You've 323 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: got the programming that's the language that is then being 324 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: shoved into this device that has all these resistors and 325 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 1: circuits and you know, silicon and whatnot. Does that energy 326 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: somehow imbue the programming as well? I don't. It's very interesting, 327 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: mat and it really does start to make you think 328 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: about is the soul just program language, like is it 329 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: our neurons? Is it like one to one kind of you? 330 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: Or is it an exterior controller of an avatar? Right? 331 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 1: Because if that were the case, then when your character 332 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of another game that's a better 333 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,479 Speaker 1: version of this, Like when your character dies, you just 334 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: did inhabit another character, and I can't think of a 335 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: good one to one there. But there are games like 336 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: that that exist. You just become a different character, Sure 337 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: you get respond or something. I mean, is it in 338 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: that same way where it's an exterior force controlling something 339 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: inside a system, so you could never measure what the 340 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: soul is the soul is apart from its exterior of 341 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: the system itself, is just manipulating the system in the grid. Yeah, 342 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: you're talking about more of like an intelligent design kind 343 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: of like prime mover kind of scenario um, which I 344 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: think conflicts in some ways with like Christianity's idea that 345 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: like we have free will, you know, God made us, 346 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: but then just kind of set us loose and we 347 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: can So you know, what you're describing implies that there's 348 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: some benevolent or malevel under whatever neutral force that's actually 349 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 1: moving us. I'm causing us. I'm saying you are you 350 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: are that thing to you. Okay, you're you're like piloting 351 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: your own you know, Gundam or whatever, you know, right, Okay, yeah, 352 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: then that's the soul, and that means you are the 353 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: little guy inside your head that's like, you know, making 354 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: you do all the things, but you're not actually a guy. 355 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: You're you're somewhere else. It's just you're plugged into whatever metaverse, 356 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: like like we're in a in a jar or something 357 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: like you know, like in a in a vacuum tube 358 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: like a light bulb, you know, I mean, I mean 359 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: it's interesting, and we have things like the matrix and 360 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: science fiction that obviously really you know, hit some of 361 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: this stuff home in really interesting intelligent ways. Um, you know, 362 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 1: could be like, oh, that's over the top, but it's 363 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 1: it's not really if you even think back to like 364 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: Plato and the illusion of the cave and the idea 365 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: that we're all fixed looking at shadows on a you know, 366 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: on on a on a cave wall, and that we're 367 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: all just experiencing was essentially a simulation. Um. There's this 368 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: really great documentary I think I mentioned it on the 369 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: last episode that we did on Infinity. That's um on Netflix. 370 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: I don't remeber what it's called, but just look up 371 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: Infinity Documentary and it just talks about how, you know, 372 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: the idea of infinity is one thing, and physical infinity 373 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: is another thing. Like the idea of infinity is that 374 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: things are infinitesimally subdivideable, but the reality of it is 375 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: that that's just not true because eventually things just start 376 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: breaking down and breaking up. Like they use the example 377 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: of cutting a rope in half and then cutting that 378 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: piece in half, and then cutting that piece and now 379 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: eventually the rope starts to tangle or n twine or whatever, 380 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: and then you've got these other little things that you 381 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 1: can then subdivide. And that's obviously where like particle physics 382 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: and the idea of Adam is in the thing, you know, 383 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: but even back in philosophy, monomes and little you know, 384 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: the building blocks of what we are, that's where that 385 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: all comes into play. Ah, that's a trip to Infinity 386 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: on Netflix. Check it out. It's very good. It's very 387 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: very good. I quite enjoyed it. When with that we're 388 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: gonna take a quick break. But don't worry. We'll be 389 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: right back with more listener mail. All right, and we're back, 390 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: and we did take a short break there. Everyone. I 391 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: just want to let you know, if you're listening out there, 392 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: we're not sponsored by this, by this group, this company, 393 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: but Doc Holiday just let us know about this game 394 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: that's that's come out, I guess called Metal Hell Singer. 395 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: It's like a rhythm game with FPS. Yes, yeah, it's 396 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: like at fps doom looking rhythm game where I guess 397 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: you have to get you know. It's sort of like, uh, 398 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: those vocaloid games like mik and where you're kind of 399 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: doing more of like along with a song, but in 400 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: this one, you're in a three D very cool looking 401 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: shooter arena and I guess he chained together hits by 402 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: shooting targets. And apparently it's got original metal music by 403 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: like bands like Lamb of God and popular kind of 404 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: like metal bands. I'm trying to stop you. We are 405 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: not sponsored by this and we we literally just we 406 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: literally just heard about it and it just sounds awesome 407 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go grab it because I really like 408 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: rhythm games a lot, and this is a spin on 409 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: it that I have not heard of before. So oh, man, 410 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: get in the game. Is that a thing? All right? 411 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: Here we go, amazone auto Zone asked the one. Okay, alright, 412 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: So we're going to jump to a message we received 413 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: from someone we're going to refer to as Tone. Tone. 414 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: We're just you didn't really give us a nickname, but 415 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: we're going to call you a tone. You know who 416 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: you are. Let's round robin this one. Okay, No, it's 417 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: got some some cool are you telling it? Here we go. 418 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: Tone says, Hey, guys, I'd like to preface this email 419 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: by saying that I normally don't share these types of 420 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: things with other people. I usually just internalize them write 421 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: them off. Is weird stuff, but I haven't been able 422 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: to shake what happened. What is happening. I'm hoping that you, guys, 423 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: or maybe a fellow listener, might have some insight into 424 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: my experience. So right off the bat, Tone is sending 425 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 1: a call out to you. Listen to this and let 426 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: us know what you think and we can correspond with Tone. 427 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 1: About five nights ago, is in my living room, playing 428 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: PlayStation perhaps a metal hell singer um and generally unwinding 429 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: from the day. It was about three or four in 430 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: the morning. I had the TV muted so I wouldn't 431 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: disturb my girlfriend or our daughter. The only light in 432 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: the house was the glow from my TV screen. The 433 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: only sound was the clicking of the buttons on my controller. Suddenly, 434 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 1: a strange tone came from my WiFi router. It wasn't 435 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: quite a beep, as it wasn't sh all, more like 436 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: a flat electronic note. I cast my eyes over to 437 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: the corner where the router is located and thought to myself, weird. 438 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: I didn't know it could even make noise. Uh, this 439 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: is Matt's oh note, I didn't know it could either. 440 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: That's weird. That would be very disturbing. Let's continue. As 441 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: soon as I finished that thought, the one about I 442 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: didn't know it could make noise, my heart started pounding. 443 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: I began shaking, and I broke into a cold sweat. 444 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: My vision became tunneled, and my body went into the 445 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: most primal fight or flight response I have ever felt. 446 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: My head was buzzing, and I jumped up off the couch. 447 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: I began to look all around me. It's like my 448 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: body was wholly convinced that something bad was about to happen. 449 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: That I was in imminent danger. A note here that 450 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: this immediately makes me think of what we've talked about 451 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: with Havana syndrome. You know, the idea that a non 452 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: you know, um, direct source could impact you in such 453 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: a Yeah, and we are talking about sound. But then 454 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: also I think Havana syndrome, there was a theory that 455 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: it was some sort of sonic weapon. Right, Yes, that 456 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 1: is a let's say it hard a lot. I mean, 457 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: you know, we've done updates on that, and a lot 458 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: of that stuff has been debunked. But when you feel 459 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: this way and you don't know why, and then you 460 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 1: what we did learn from that is if you either 461 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: hear it from a colleague that they experienced the same thing, 462 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: or you immediately associated with something, um, it's easy to 463 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: go down that rabbit hole. That's all I'm saying. So 464 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: in this case, no matter what, something weird is going on, right, 465 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: no question, no question. Despite my body's response, my thoughts 466 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: were perfectly clear. I was completely aware that nothing was 467 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: around me, but I couldn't seem to convince my body 468 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: of that fact. I had to almost physically fight the 469 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: impulse to grab one of my firearms as I stood 470 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: in the dim glowe of the TV, I noticed that 471 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: my cat, who had been sleeping peacefully on the back 472 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: of the couch, was now staring at a corner of 473 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: the room, completely fixated on it. WHOA, oh, it seems 474 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: it seems like descriptions of some paranormal events that I've 475 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: heard in the past. And guess what, guess what tone 476 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: says next? My thoughts turned to the paranormal. Despite being 477 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: a relatively skeptical person in that regard, I faced the 478 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: corner and whispered, who's there? Like every bad horror movie protagonist. 479 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: Nothing happened, and I was just standing in a silent house. 480 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: For the next few minutes. I felt like I was 481 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: a little kid again, scared of the dark and jumping 482 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: at shadows, my mind jumping from one scary thought to 483 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: the next. As my body calmed down, a splitting headache developed. 484 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: It was so strong that I shut off the PlayStation 485 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: and went to sleep almost immediately. Over the next few days, 486 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: I would try to recall the tone from that night. 487 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: Whenever I got close to remembering the exact sound, my 488 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: head would start throbbing again. I did some research on 489 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: my own over the event and discovered that someone else 490 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: reported a strange beat from their router back in two 491 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: thousand eighteen. The router they listed is the exact same 492 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: model I have, the HT two tho W from Hughes Neet. 493 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: I've attached to screenshot of the support thread. The strange 494 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: thing is that this router is not equipped with speakers 495 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: of any kind and cannot emit any sound by design. 496 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: The tech suggests that another device near the router may 497 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: have made the noise. The only objects near my router 498 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: are fake house plants and a cat scratching post. I've 499 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: searched high and low for anything that could have made 500 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: the noise, but I can't find a single explanation for it. 501 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: I think we found a solution. Your cat planted something 502 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: inside the scratching post. That's it. Case closed. It was 503 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: your cat. They're working against you. We've known it all along. 504 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: Cats are agents of chaos. No, but for real, how 505 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: weird is that looked it up, found someone who had 506 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: noticed something about that exact same router, and then just 507 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: and then to learn that the router has no physical 508 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: way of making a sound, Well yeah, I mean to me, 509 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: my my thoughts would immediately go to a frequency being 510 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: created electronically that would cause something else to vibrate, you 511 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like we we know that energy 512 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: causes vibrations. And you know, if you've ever been in 513 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: the car or something and you've got a coin in 514 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: just the right spot, it's it'll it'll like resonate, you know. 515 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: Or let's say, um, if you have a window cracked 516 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,479 Speaker 1: and then another window open, all of a sudden, LB 517 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: this who who because is like almost like cycle kind 518 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: of hum that's created. So you know, electronics that don't 519 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: inherently make sound can generate energy that could potentially cause 520 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: something else to make a sound, because sound is just 521 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: energy vibrating the air, you know, and and and and objects. 522 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: You know. Well, let's go deeper into that. I want 523 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: to know which PlayStation we're talking about. Was it a 524 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: PS four, was it an old PS two? Was it? What? 525 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: Was it? Was it a PS five? Because I have 526 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: personal experience with a PS four pro sounding like an 527 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: airplane is taking off in my living room when I'm 528 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: playing because of the hard drive. Probably no, those are 529 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: solid state drives, so they don't have a because of 530 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: the fans, because the fan's working super overtime trying to 531 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: cool the machine down and it's just so loud, it's deafening, 532 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: and it came to be closed space, and it's probably 533 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: causing other bits inside of the thing to vibrate and 534 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: create like a cacophoness kind of sound. And depending on 535 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: what that device is sitting on, it can change that. 536 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: And depending on the shape of your room and the 537 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: objects it are in your room where you're using a 538 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: machine like that, it can cause standing waves that are 539 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: very strange and they sound like they're being emitted from 540 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: other parts of your house. Well, the thing that's interesting 541 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: about standing waves and I think I've I've let my 542 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: you know, acoustic music producer Freak Flag fly plenty lately, 543 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: but standing waves are a thing that acoustic treatment in 544 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: studio spaces are really supposed to prevent. People often get 545 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: it confused that like, oh, people are putting up acoustic 546 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: treatment are trying to sound proof of space. That's not 547 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: what they're trying to do. They're trying to limit reflections 548 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: of sounds that are bouncing all over the room. Because 549 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: if you're trying to mix something on like studio monitors 550 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: and get an accurate sound and you have all these 551 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: standing waves are typically very low frequencies. They can build 552 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: up in corners. Um. It is going to literally affect 553 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: your ability to hear accurately. Um. And they can do 554 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: weird stuff by like interacting with each other and creating 555 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: tones in the music. You're hearing that don't e this 556 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: that like, aren't there, You're hearing false harmonics being generated 557 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: by standing waves interacting with the space of your room 558 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: or whatever, your untreated room, which is exactly what I 559 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: think is happening. I think it was a PS four. 560 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: I think it was sounding crazy loud and tone didn't 561 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: even notice how loud it was because you just kind 562 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: of tune it out after you're used to doing it, 563 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: and especially and it created a new sound. Well, I 564 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: think I think it something changed in the room, like 565 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: with just placement or whatever, or they were playing a 566 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: game or something that required, you know, more from the 567 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: GPU or CPU where it's running even harder. What do 568 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: you think? I just want to add, he's listening with 569 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: the sound on mute. Yes, and maybe he does this often, 570 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: but maybe this was an unusual thing where he was like, Okay, 571 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna play late tonight. He didn't have his headphones. 572 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of gamers that play late, they'll 573 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: have like maybe something was I'm just gonna do it mute. 574 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: So he was way more exposed to the ambient surroundings 575 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: of his room than he would if he was blasting 576 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 1: you know, the sound bar or whatever, you know, like 577 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: on whatever game he was playing. Um, And I think 578 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: you're dead right, because when you treat a room acoustically, 579 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: if you move stuff around, even if you move equipment around, 580 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: it can change the whole tuning of the room. So 581 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: you have to be very careful about that. Like acoustitions 582 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: will be like, yeah, if you move one thing, you 583 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: need to take new measurements through these like devices that 584 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: will measure those kind of standing waves you're talking about 585 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: or those reflections. And if you move a big thing 586 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,919 Speaker 1: like a couch for example, that's truly changing the way 587 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: sound is moving around in that room. That can throw 588 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: the whole thing on a whack. Yes, And this is 589 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: of course, in extremely skeptical take on the whole situation. 590 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: We want to hear what you think. Maybe we're it 591 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: goes on beyond this though, in the next bit other 592 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: other odd things that we don't mean to debunk this 593 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 1: right off the because this is just a potential idea 594 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: for the tone itself. Right, that's it, yep, but tone 595 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: continues stranger still. When I opened my laptop today to 596 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: send this email, my Microsoft bit locker had been activated, 597 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,720 Speaker 1: as if someone had tried to access my hard drive. 598 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: I hadn't turned on my laptop since before the night 599 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,720 Speaker 1: of the Noise, so that's interesting. And also this sounds 600 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: like a person that knows about I T and knows 601 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: about you know, tech and like, as you, I don't 602 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: even know what Microsoft BitLocker is, but it doesn't seem 603 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: like a standard It's probably a PC user, um, but 604 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: it's something that's going to limit you know access, as 605 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: like a privacy thing or a firewall thing of some 606 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: kind that probably lets you know if any suspicious you 607 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 1: know activity has taken place, or if anyone's tried to 608 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: access your computer. But also again I'm no hacker here, 609 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: but like, isn't that really hard to do if the 610 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 1: computer has powered off? I I'm so sorry, I'm out 611 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: of my depth here, but um yeah, BitLocker is something 612 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: that has been a part of my understanding is it 613 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,760 Speaker 1: was a part of Windows Defender does like the internal 614 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: you know, the built in security system that comes with 615 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: any Microsoft device. Uh that sometimes are a little you know, 616 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 1: overly robust, let's just say, and can like cause your 617 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: stuff to like slow down like get out, so at 618 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: least in the early days. Yeah, but it is something 619 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: that would get engaged if someone was going through the router, 620 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 1: right through the modem into the router, going into the system. 621 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: But when it's when it's shut down though, like I 622 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: don't I mean, I don't know. It's sort of the 623 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: same as like having your cell phone turned off. Like 624 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: if it's turned off, there's no WiFi going into it, 625 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: like unless there's a mode that I'm not aware of, 626 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,439 Speaker 1: if there's a hard wire, but like if it's shut down, 627 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: it may as well be off the grid to my understanding, 628 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: Uh maybe not the police again, computer security experts out there, 629 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: let us know, can you access a computer that's not 630 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 1: in sleep mode? Now, sleep modes different, but if it's 631 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 1: actually hard shut off, you know, I know, there are 632 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: ways of accessing like secondary boot screens that you know 633 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 1: there's like a battery inside, like a seamost battery that 634 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: there's still something going on in the computer even if 635 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: it's shut down. But it seems like it would take 636 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: like some serious access to to be able to do 637 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 1: something when a computer is not open and vulnerable and 638 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: on the net. Ye. Look, I certainly don't know enough 639 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: on my own. That's why we need your help again, 640 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: calling out to you. Help us. Let's figure this thing out. 641 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: Let us know. We're going to continue a little bit more. 642 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 1: These events might be completely unrelated, but at the risk 643 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 1: of sounding like a tinfoil hat noot case, I believe 644 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 1: someone is attempting to spy on me. Months prior to this, 645 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: I was contacted by the FBI because I was in 646 00:37:54,880 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: several quote liberty Facebook groups. In all right, was just 647 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: there for the spicy memes, but some of the other 648 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: members were supposedly plotting some things against Big Brother. The 649 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 1: agent on the phone brought up my prior military status 650 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: and in my MS and signals intelligence. He wanted to 651 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 1: make sure I wasn't using my old clearance level to 652 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: assist a possible terrorist plot. I of course denied any involvement, 653 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: and he seemed to be satisfied. But I feel like 654 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: I'm definitely on some type of government watchless now. During 655 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: my research into the router, I also learned that a 656 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: few M I T students were able to prove that 657 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,359 Speaker 1: WiFi routers can be used to remotely detect how many 658 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: people are inside of a room at any given time. 659 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: What that's interesting and I want to bring up something 660 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: in a minute related to this. Uh. There was, however, 661 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,720 Speaker 1: no mention of a noise being omitted from the routers, 662 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: let alone a noise that could elicit a response like 663 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,919 Speaker 1: the one I felt. I'm at a loss. What type 664 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: of noise could cause headaches, irrational fear and paranoia in 665 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 1: an instant who tried to access my hard drive? Are 666 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 1: these connected the FBI? I thank you for reading my 667 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: long winded email. I apologize if it jumped around or 668 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: was hard to I mean, I'm not even gonna read 669 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 1: that because this was great. Um So, there was a 670 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: you know, seemingly a silly story about how the album 671 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:19,240 Speaker 1: or the song Rhythm Nation by Janet Jackson was causing 672 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 1: people's hard drives to seize up, like there was something 673 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: in the sound of the way that record was mastered 674 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: or produced or whatever that was causing certain models of 675 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: like Hewlett Packard laptops to like seize up and and like, 676 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: you know, just totally choke. Um So, that's the opposite 677 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 1: of what we're talking about here, But I will say 678 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: that it does lead me to believe that sounds and 679 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: all the things we were talking about before, frequencies, residant frequencies, vibrations, 680 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 1: they can move things physically. They can cause things to happen, 681 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: especially if they're just and tuned correctly, whether by accident 682 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: or on purpose with another thing. That's where and it 683 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,919 Speaker 1: frequencies are like there, they communicate and they can cause things. 684 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 1: You know, It's like when an opera saying or can 685 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: break a wine glass with their voice, you know. Um, 686 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: And the idea of m I T students being able 687 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: to prove that Wi Fi rotics can be used to 688 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,240 Speaker 1: remotely detect how many people, so to me, that is measuring. 689 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,320 Speaker 1: That's like triangulation. That's like using it as sonar or something. 690 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: It's like basically that's my guess is that it's taking 691 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: some sound or something that it's putting out there and 692 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: like triangulating and getting a sense of the space and 693 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,439 Speaker 1: and where it's being taken up and creating some sort 694 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: of image like a sonar image would where it shows 695 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: you the negative space and the positive spin. I don't know, 696 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 1: It's just I don't know either but it's worth us 697 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: looking into deeper. I think that just that concept that 698 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: you could use a device like that that theoretically shouldn't 699 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: have that capability, but it does. I'm gonna be a 700 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: nerd for one more second, then I'm gonna shut up. 701 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 1: You can know, you know that the difference between a 702 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 1: microphone and a speaker are just like the directions of 703 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 1: the hiring. You can turn a microphone into a headphone 704 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 1: and a and a speaker into a microphone just by 705 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: like reversing the polarity of the wire. I mean again, 706 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: something maybe more complex than that, but it's really there's 707 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: very little difference between a microphone and a speaker. Have 708 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 1: you ever experimented turning a speaker into a microphone? No, 709 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: but I'd like to, and once I get my garage 710 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: not a total hellscape, I would like to do things 711 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,799 Speaker 1: like that and like circuit bending and things. But yeah, 712 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: you can literally a lot of people do. They take 713 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 1: like a whoffer from a monitor speaker and they'll reverse 714 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 1: the wire and turn it into a microphone that picks 715 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: up low frequencies on like a kick drum. Really well, 716 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 1: so it's like it's really interesting, like the difference like 717 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,319 Speaker 1: People get so hung up on sound being this magical thing, 718 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 1: but it really is just a very analog like it's like, 719 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: you know, things vibrating things. That's that's all sound is. Literally. Yeah, 720 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: and maybe it vibrates your freaking Sarah Bellum and makes 721 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 1: you go insane, like I was saying, if something was 722 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: tuned to such a frequency that Again, you know, it 723 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: would take very precise engineering to do that, But I 724 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,720 Speaker 1: don't think our skulls aren't that thick. Low frequency waves 725 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: can carry through walls, brick, you know. I mean there's 726 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: the they move through things, they move through material. Yeah, 727 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 1: we know that. Infrasound is probably the best candidate for 728 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 1: many ghost encounters, the feelings of ghost encounters. Right, We've 729 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,400 Speaker 1: talked about it before. There's a whole episode. You can 730 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 1: look it up Ghosts and Infrasound check it out. Um, wow, tone, 731 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what to say. Check your PlayStation. I'm 732 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: telling you clean that thing. It doesn't matter. It's not 733 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,279 Speaker 1: gonna help. If it's a p S four, it doesn't 734 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 1: matter how much you clean it. It's still gonna sound 735 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: like an airplane taking off in your living room. Uh good, Yeah, 736 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: I hope everything works out with the whole uh quote 737 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,440 Speaker 1: liberty Facebook groups, and well and then and then and 738 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 1: then just a just a quick second, not to throw 739 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,840 Speaker 1: tone under the bus, but I mean, there certainly was 740 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 1: a time, you know, in meme culture, like even in 741 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: like a lot of this um alt right kind of stuff, 742 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 1: where the alt right was essentially putting out memes that 743 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,319 Speaker 1: were seemingly innocuous and kind of funny that it would 744 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 1: be very easy for someone that doesn't have that ideology 745 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: to just like repost and think was funny. But it 746 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,480 Speaker 1: was their way of spreading like a you know, a 747 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: seed of propaganda. So no, you know, if if if 748 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 1: this is, if this person is being honest, which I 749 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,840 Speaker 1: believe they are, it's certainly a very reasonable thing that 750 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 1: could have happened to Like, I follow tons of Facebook 751 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,799 Speaker 1: groups just for the memes, and I'm sure that if 752 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: you looked at my list, one of them probably has 753 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,839 Speaker 1: some stuff on it that isn't great, you know, if 754 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,879 Speaker 1: if I like really paid attention to it all the time, 755 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, So just saying, we also know that recently 756 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:57,279 Speaker 1: the FBI has upped their efforts to monitor the same 757 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,800 Speaker 1: kinds of groups, so you may really be on the 758 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,040 Speaker 1: list somebody may really be watching your stuff, but if 759 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 1: you're not doing anything, maybe it'll be Okay. It's still 760 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,800 Speaker 1: not a great feeling, is it. No, No, it's not. 761 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: But I've always felt that way where it's like if 762 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I am actually not 763 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: part of a terrorist cell or like a you know, 764 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 1: domestic terrorist group, if I actually I mean, think of 765 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,799 Speaker 1: all the things that we look up man for this show, 766 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,880 Speaker 1: you don't think that somewhere along the line, because of 767 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,439 Speaker 1: research we've done, our search terms, we've entered that we've 768 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,839 Speaker 1: kicked up some red flag somewhere along the line. Oh, 769 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 1: we certainly have. Yeah, we're just saying it's the same 770 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 1: the same deal. Yeah, Uh, weird stuff. Hey, what are 771 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: your thoughts? You can find us all over the place. 772 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 1: We're on the internet, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, we are conspiracy stuff. 773 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: Make sure you go over to YouTube slash conspiracy stuff. 774 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 1: You can feel weird while you watch us talk and 775 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 1: do these episodes. Is this how we feel when we 776 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,480 Speaker 1: when we do the show. We feel weird watching and 777 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: listening to us talk, But uh, please do do that. 778 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,319 Speaker 1: And also you can go to Instagram where we've been 779 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,400 Speaker 1: posting some fun memes and videos and things like that 780 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,320 Speaker 1: where you can also see our dumb mugs. And that 781 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,879 Speaker 1: is a conspiracy stuff show. And we have a phone 782 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,839 Speaker 1: number you can call with your phone one eight three 783 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,360 Speaker 1: three st d w y t K. When you do 784 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,720 Speaker 1: call in, leave a voicemail. That's a it's a voicemail system. 785 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,120 Speaker 1: Give yourself a cool name. 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