WEBVTT - How Noah's Ark Worked 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.960 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:07.400 It's ready. Are you welcome to you Stuff you should 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:16.280 know from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.520 to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. With me is always 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:23.160 is Charles W. Chuck Bryant. Uh. And since the two 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:25.200 of us are in the same room and there's microphones 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:27.960 that are recording, there's the stuff you should know. What 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:32.080 are you snuff? Grapefruit essential oil. I don't know why 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:34.520 it's here, but it's sure is a pleasant smell. That's weird. 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:36.639 You never know what you're gonna get when you walk 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:39.159 in in the booth. Here, let's dusk the place with this. 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:44.400 That is lovely um essential oil, which means all natural 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:51.000 and that it's necessary. Well, it's not a fragrant soil, right, 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:54.000 which is not all natural? Oh yeah, you would know 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:58.360 all about that. Yeah, yeah, Emily's all over that stuff. Sure, 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:02.720 mamabout the body Love your Mama dot com. And that 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:08.800 is Emily's soap and toiletries and candle toiletries. Yeah, like 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:12.640 brushes and stuff, right, lotion and scrubs and candles are 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:16.959 all essential oils, all natural. Boy, this is just really sure. 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:21.520 All right, we haven't done that in a long time. Um, hey, Chuck, 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:23.160 I know I asked you, so I know the answer. 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.840 But have you seen Zeitgeist the movie? I have not. 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.960 I have heard about it before you even said anything. Yeah, 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:33.160 it's definitely out there in the Zeitgeist guest producer Maddie 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:35.760 it was all over that stuff when it came out. Yeah, 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.520 I finally saw it. Um Like I would have these 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:41.400 conversations with you. Mean, she's like, you really need to seize, Like, guys, 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:43.399 how have you not seen? Like guests, Well, we finally 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:47.119 sat down and watched it, and it's it's really really good. 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:49.320 I mean, like the guy made it for seven grand 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.800 and um, I just did an incredible job with it. 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:54.920 And there's I'm not going to give it away. I 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.480 would recommend everybody seeing it. I'm sure it will like 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:00.480 offend a lot of people and it'll take a lot 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:02.160 of people off. But then there are some people out 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:03.720 there who will be like, wow, this is really cool. 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.560 But one of the um one of the things, one 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:11.079 of the first ones, first segments is talking about how 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:15.720 there is um like basically all of the religious figures 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.640 are cold can be dated back to or trace back 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:24.200 to Horse, the ancient Egyptian god. We I think we've 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:28.240 mentioned that before too. Well. The Zeitgeist, the movie like 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:32.640 really goes into detail about this um but the whole 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.720 thing kind of begs a question that's related to um 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:38.679 Noah's ark, which we're about to talk about, and that 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:42.680 how when when you have cultures all over the world 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.320 that share a similar story or have a similar um 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.000 idol or something like that, there's there's just some sort 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:53.919 of commonality and it's so they resemble one another so much. 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:58.079 Is that evidence that it something took place, or is 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:00.919 the evidence of cultures borrowing from one another and forming 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:03.160 a cultural tradition that can be traced back to a 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:08.200 single source. Yeah, I mean it definitely can be both 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:11.359 to an extent. I mean there is a disparence, the 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:15.480 disparity between the two. Also, I mean, you know, um 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:19.160 but the flood definitely falls into that because there are 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:23.720 stories of the flood of a global, worldwide catastrophic flood 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:28.000 that just changed everything all over the place and many 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:33.800 many religions, in many religious texts. Yes, it's usually accompanying 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:38.800 that flood legend is a man who built a boat 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:43.120 was commanded by God or warned in some traditions, and 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.880 built a boat. UM, put two of every animal you 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.839 could find on them, or two of every animal, and 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.280 uh basically sat there and waiting for the rains to come. 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:57.680 Steve Carrell, exactly did you see that? No? Never did you. 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:00.560 I saw parts of it enough to know that I 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:03.360 was disappointed in Steve carl I got that in from 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:08.320 the TV heads. Oh sure, yeah, but they that you know. 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:10.640 That's kind of the story, though, is that a man 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:17.239 named Noah is chastised by the people in his UH town, 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:21.120 in his area for being foolish. I know there's not 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:22.920 gonna be a flood. He's warning ins of this flood. 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:26.640 You're silly, silly man, building your crazy silly arc. Right, 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:30.120 And there's that's definitely part of the allegory. The moral 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:34.080 tale is, you know, you should be able to withstand 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:39.560 the ridicule of your nonbelieving heathen neighbors when God talks 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:43.520 to you. That's right, right. Let's talk about the other 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:50.360 more possibly scientific aspects of the flood, because it's so ubiquitous. UM, 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:53.320 A lot of people have dedicated scientific inquiry to a 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.919 big time UH. This article says outright, that a literal 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:02.279 flood that would submerge the Earth to its mountaintops is 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:06.080 not possible because that would require five times the amount 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.080 of water in the oceans and atmosphere put together. Right, 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.400 Because one of the aspects of this flood legend is 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:15.000 that the whole earth was flooded up to the mountaintops. Right. 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:18.120 And here's where we get into that whole balle yarn 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:25.880 of literal Bible literalists or Biblical fundamentalists. You know, maybe 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:29.640 the whole world at that time meant that area, you know, 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.040 the Middle East. Well, yeah, I mean, like this is 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.200 a time when there was no communication other than maybe 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:40.279 a bake clay tablet um and travel was fairly limited 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:43.280 in regional in nature. So if you have a big 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:48.560 enough flood by all intensive purposes, like the world is flooded, 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:52.039 the world as they know it, Yes, yeah, right. I 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:55.200 just found out the Bible literalists they don't literally believe 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:58.360 every word of the Bible. Is like, they still believe 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:02.600 in in metaphor, in horrible and allegory and stuff like that. 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.680 I kind of thought that that those people believe exactly 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.040 what you see in the Bible is exactly what happened. Yeah, 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:13.159 what did they Why would they call themselves literalists? Well, 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:16.680 because they're more literal than I guess the other camp. 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.239 But it's yeah, that's a I mean, that's a entirely 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:23.200 different podcast altogether. Oh yeah, there's a lot of a 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:26.000 lot of stuff with that, and one will probably never record, 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:29.800 probably not um. Well, let's talk about some of the 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:33.440 theories behind all this. You said that it's physically impossible, 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:40.000 it's bio geochemically impossible for um the earth to have 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.200 flooded up to the mountaintops. That's what they say, that's 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:45.359 what scientists say. You said that it's probably a little 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.320 more um. It was probably a little more local or regional, 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:53.240 And there's actually evidence of UM flooding in the right 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:56.440 place at about the right time, enough to support what's 0:06:56.480 --> 0:07:00.760 called the Noah's flood hypothesis a k a. Black Sea 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:04.480 deluge theory. I like them both. Yeah, they're both good. 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.120 It don't say the band name thing that Like eight 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:09.680 people just went like that's how did you think about 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:14.720 that black seas theory? Well, too long from my taste. 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.760 Uh So you're talking about William B. F Ryan, Walter C. 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:23.360 Pittman of Columbia in New York Times actually before they 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:28.880 even published it, and and like journals, the New York 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:32.760 Times published it. Um. They postulated a theory that the 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:37.200 Great Flood was resulting from rising waters in the Black Sea, 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.400 just as the last ice age was tapering off, which 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:45.720 makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Um, they're basically their 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:49.920 Their whole idea was that the ice caps um overwhelmed 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:57.560 the Mediterranean, which flowed across the Bosporus Strait and into 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:02.360 the Black Sea, right right, yeah, um. And apparently this 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.520 would have happened at about two times the force of 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:08.360 Niagara falls. Those two guys reckon square miles, so they 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:12.440 think would have been flooded. Man. And there's actually evidence, Um. 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.920 The guy Robert Ballard who discovered the Titanic, who will 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:21.040 visit with later, um found evidence that there is there was. Indeed, 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.600 the Black Sea was indeed at one time a freshwater lake. 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:27.400 Now it is a saltwater sea in Inland Sea. And 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.720 so most likely that was the result of the Mediterranean 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:34.000 infiltrating it. He was that two thousand seven, was at 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.360 his work, No, no, he was. He Um searched for 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:42.760 evidence of Norzark in the late nineties thousand um. But 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:47.439 so they did find incontrovertible natural evidence, but they didn't 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.680 find evidence that there were people that would have witnessed it. 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:54.480 So they don't know if it happened at a time 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:57.520 when people noticed it, or if it was cataclysmic, if 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.720 it killed a bunch of people. Are watchure to thousand seven, 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:05.800 they found evidence that ice caps melting from Greenland kicked 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:07.760 the sea level up about four and a half feet 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:11.439 between over the course of about what six hundred years 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:14.400 or so. But there was a five year study from 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:18.400 UNESCO and the International Union of Geological Services in two 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.480 thousand nine that said if there was a sea rise 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:23.800 and a flood like that, it was probably over a 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.960 longer period of time and more mild than that. Well, yeah, 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.280 six hundred years, more mild than six hundred years, they 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:33.520 were saying, yeah, like maybe as much as a thousand years. Right, 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:39.160 And here's the big problem, um, the Noah's Flood hypothesis 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:43.600 and all the supporting evidence doesn't There's a really important 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.679 peace left out, which is the rain. Depending on who 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.040 you talked to, it rain for six days up to 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:51.480 forty days and forty nights well up to a hundred 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:54.160 and fifty days. Actually, who was that? Well, that's in 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:56.280 the Bible, Okay, I thought it was forty days and 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.520 forty Well it says forty days and forty nights. But 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:00.400 then I think, man, I wish I hadn't front of me. 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:03.720 So something about the waters for a hundred and fifty days. 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.320 So maybe it rained that long, and the flooding rose 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:08.720 up to a point of a hundred fifty days right 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:12.720 before it subsided. And he also took seven pairs of 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:19.000 clean animals. Uh yeah, and then to unclean animals a 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:23.360 k a. Ferrets. They're they're really unclean. They're good eating. 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:29.760 Though I just left at that. It's also possible improbable that, um, 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:33.720 this the whole flood legend, since remember, um, the world 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.240 was a lot smaller even though it's really large at 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:41.200 the time. Um was a larger than usual flooding of 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:45.520 the tigers and euphrates, which flood every year and yeah 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.880 and every summer. I think, yeah, it's it's seasonal flooding. 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.439 You know, we didn't mention Noah's flood in the How 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:58.000 Floods Work episode. This is the follow up, Um, but 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.920 the seasonal flooding, if there was one that was really 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:05.280 really really bad. Right. Um, the the these people, the 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:08.240 people who started to first record the idea of Noah 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.559 and this great flood were in that area at the time, 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:16.080 the Mesopotamia area, starting with the Sumerians, right, and some 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:20.520 postulate perhaps Noah was wealthy and could afford a really 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:24.360 great boat and the Tigris and Euphrates flooded, and that 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:28.520 became the story that eventually morphed into uh Islamic and 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:32.720 Judeo Christian versions. Right. But about two thousand years before 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:37.839 it was recorded in the Old testament Um, the Sumerians 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:43.640 wrote of a man named Zeo Sudra, right and uh 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:48.320 he was basically the archetype for Noah and the flood story. 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:52.520 And then that was followed up by the world's first book, 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:56.319 the world's first known book, one of my personal favorites, 0:11:56.360 --> 0:12:00.559 the Epic of Gilgamesh by John Grisham. Right. Yeah, it 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:02.680 was a good one. Yeah, I can't believe that twist 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:07.040 at the end the attorney the lady with forty million dollars. 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:11.120 So you're right. That is the oldest book in recorded history. 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:14.360 In the Babylonians say there was a man named uh 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:19.400 utna Una pished him and he warned of a great flood, 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.959 built a boat about the size of an acre, and uh, 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.720 there were six days and nights of rain, and he 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:31.079 sailed to modern day bah Ran. Right. What what's interesting 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:35.240 is that the the size of the boat is found 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:39.120 just about the same in all of these traditions, starting 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:43.040 with Gilgamesh about an acre in size, up to the Bible, 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.800 which mentions that it's three cubits. And let's just go 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.280 ahead and discuss cubits for a moment. Okay, I think 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:51.680 it's time in the history of stuff, you should know 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.640 that we finally got the cubits. But a cubit is 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:58.400 an ancient measurement of length that runs from the tip 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:02.760 of the middle finger of the inside of the elbow. 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:08.800 It's usually about fourteen inches or something like um forty 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:14.719 five point seven two centimeters eighteen inches or forty centimeters right, um, 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:19.280 So three hundred cubits is fifty inches or thirteen thousand, 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:23.280 seven hundred sixteen centimeters, which means it's four fifty or 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:30.040 a hundred thirty seven ms right long. Three decks made 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.160 of gopher wood. All that equals would cover about an 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:37.240 acre in areas it is, But it is strange that 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.679 it does appear with about the same dimensions in all 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.959 these traditions. So it makes you wonder if there was 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:46.679 a wealthy merchant um in the area at that time, 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.960 did he really have an acre sized boat or was 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:53.880 it just like that's the opposite of an allegory for 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:58.200 a really big boat. It's like really specific rather than hyperbolic. 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.920 Maybe it would be high bobollic. That's a big boat 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:07.640 for today with today's technology. Uh So. In the Koran 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:11.600 and for people out there that are going what no 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:16.360 one's in the Koran? No in u h He's one 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:20.760 of the five prophets of Islam, along with Abraham, Jesus, Moses, 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:25.240 and Adam. Did you just say, Jesus, I did did 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.960 you know this before this article? Uh? Yeah, I took 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.880 religion in college. Okay, I had no idea Jesus is 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.560 um a venerated prophet in the Islamic tradition. I bet 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.880 a lot of people don't know that. Uh So. The 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:40.560 Book of Sarah or s u r a h Sarah 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:45.040 tells of new or noah Um speaking as a prophet 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:48.120 of God, warning his neighbors turned from your evil ways 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:53.680 and aside from the name differences and the where the 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:58.000 arc eventually lands, which in the Bible it's Mount Ara 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:01.320 Rat and the Koran it's Mount Judy or is it 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:06.200 Judi I took it as Judy Judy. Um, those are 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.640 really the only differences other than that they're pretty similar 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:13.600 to each other, right, But those locations are very specific. Yeah, 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.880 it's not like on a mountain somewhere. And there are 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:20.240 also two very different locations, both known at the time, 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:23.440 So I mean it's not like they were confused or 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:27.800 anything like that. Um. There's also another location, um that 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:31.760 people search to, uh Mount Suleiman in Iran. But those 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.760 are the three big mountains that are being looked at currently. 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.880 That is correct, So let's talk about, um, the search. 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:42.200 There's there's been uh a lot of There's been a 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:44.840 number of searches. I think there still are for the arc. 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.360 People want to find evidence of the arc because if 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:49.640 you find the arc, well then everything really happened, and 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:53.240 the creationists and literalists are like, hey, I told you. 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:57.720 And so a lot of people have kind of looked 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:01.000 into this, and we talked about the geo logical evidence. 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:04.920 There's a little more. UM, there's some evidence that the 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:08.400 the tigers and Euphrates river did indeed have a pretty 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:13.880 big flood around and that it wiped out entire cities 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:17.840 in Sumer. That's that's pretty good evidence that this flood 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:23.600 did indeed happen, right, yeah, a flood. But we're still 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.760 lacking one of the main components as far as biblical 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:30.360 scholars are concerned, which is the arc fingerprints. Oh right, 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:35.920 so yeah, let's go to aera which is particularly tantalizing 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:39.800 or was at one point in time. Uh the the 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:43.400 and I got a little impotent in this special in 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:49.440 the Incredible Discovery of Noah's Ark. CBS aired this uh 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.800 special that they later on said was entertainment and not 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:57.240 documentary after the fact that had It was hosted by 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.440 what's his name, Darren McGavin from A Christmas Story. He's 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:05.840 awesome and yeah Billy Madison, and um, did I ever 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:09.000 tell you? I saw The Christmas Story at a screening 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:11.560 in l a and they brought him out. No the 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:15.360 director was there and told stories. He made porkis so 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.240 he could make a Christmas story. Oh yeah, you did 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.840 tell And they wheeled out there McGavin or in wheel 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:23.040 him out. He was he was in a wheelchair kind 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.000 of back into my right and everyone stood and clapped 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:27.800 and he was just kind of like, it was kind 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.400 of sad. He was old. He waved like the queen. Yeah, 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:32.479 and his wife was like, this is for you, Like, 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:34.720 I don't think he quite got it. Oh wow, he's 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:36.919 that old. Huh. Yeah. He died not too long after that. 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:38.800 I think when did you see him? So this was 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.840 definitely post Billy Madison because he was totally sharp and 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:45.080 mobile and everything. This is like two thousand one ish 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.960 or two thousand somewhere in there. Well he went downhill quick. Yeah, 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.200 it's very sad. He was great and Cold Check too, 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:56.600 And what Cold Check? The night Stalker? Don't see that? 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.240 Is that a movie? That was a TV show? Really? Yeah? 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:04.520 It was like kind of like a outer limits kind 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:06.199 of thing, but it was mainly monsters. He was a 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:09.359 private detective who would who would like end up on 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:11.520 a case and there was a monster behind it or 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.000 something like that, or a ghost or something crazy like that. 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.040 It's like a supernatural detective series. Yeah, it's cool. I 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:18.840 can't believe I've never heard of that. It's crazy. He 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:22.439 had this tagline, who loves your baby? Not a finger 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:27.040 all right, boy, we can get distracted so easy. Um. 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:32.520 He hosted the show, CBS ran the show, and a 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:37.280 guy named George Jamal Um. Supposedly, his story was that 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:42.000 he and a companion named Vladimir crawled into a hole 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:44.560 in the ice at the top of Mount Ara Rat 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:50.000 into a wooden structure. Um he says. He says, quote, 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.080 we got very excited when we saw this. Part of 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:55.359 the room was divided into pends, like places where you 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.040 would keep animals. And so this is on TV and 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:01.200 people are getting like really excited about this that uh, 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:04.879 he took some wood with them. Then tragedy struck. Vladimir 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:08.400 was taking pictures and basically backed up and like fell 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.399 out and tumbled down the mountain and died, destroying the 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:15.720 film evidence. Wink wink. Uh. And as of course, if 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:17.480 you can't see where this is headed, as it later 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.879 comes out, George Jamal is an actor. He'd been telling 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:25.080 this story for years. He's never been to Turkey. There 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.919 is no Vladimir. The whole thing was completely made up. 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:30.439 And uh, it gets a little more fun. Though. They 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:35.119 had experts paraded about throughout the show that claimed certain 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:40.720 things like Biblical era people developed the batteries and uh, 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:44.800 with those batteries they ran air conditioners. Wait, I've heard 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:49.400 about batteries. They did have chemical batteries, like back in Egypt. Really, yeah, 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.480 did they run air conditioners? I don't believe that. Um. 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:57.720 They said that the flood occurred in subterranean chambers, bursting 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:01.760 up through the Earth's surface with the blosion explosive power 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:05.800 of ten billion hydrogen bombs. And it's important to note 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:08.360 that none of this is like substantiated. It was all 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:11.639 just like made up stuff. And then finally they found 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:16.520 fossils of animals buried in swimming positions, and fish found 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:21.679 in positions of terror, fins extended and eyes bulging, so 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.960 like these fish were so scared that they were fossilized 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:29.080 and uh, flash fossilized, flash fossilized with their eyes intact, 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:33.080 bulging at the water, because I guess a lot of 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.560 water is intimidating to a fish. I would think they 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.080 would have been like, sweet, do you think they really 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.800 need to pile on more lower? It was weird. Can 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:45.359 we just stick with the existing lore and try to 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:48.000 figure that out? So anyway, that was the big hoax, 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:49.960 and it was found out to be a hoax and 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.560 a big disappointment for some people. I'm sure some people. 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:59.359 Other people are probably like um. So I've mentioned Robert Ballard, 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:03.960 the guy who found the Titanic, famed explorer UM. He 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:08.520 led an exposition in two thousand UM and he was 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:11.959 looking not so much for Noah's Ark itself, although if 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:14.000 there's any place on Earth that would be a great 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:17.760 place to preserve a wooden boat for several thousand years. 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:21.080 The Black Sea, the bottom of it is apparently perfect, 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:25.560 very very cold, very low in oxygen um. And they 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:29.240 have found some pretty ancient wood structures, but they haven't 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:33.080 found any Neolithic structures, although I said they did find 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:37.159 the ancient shoreline. They found seven kinds of muscles, like 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:41.359 ancient extinct muscles. Five of them are salt water, two 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:45.840 or freshwater. Just incontrovertible evidence that there is that that 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:49.800 they found this old ancient freshwater lake shoreline and at 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:51.840 some point that's what the Black Sea was, and then 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:56.760 it was inundated somehow so quickly. Uh, not from the 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:59.320 Neolithic period where it should have where this would have 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:03.120 taken place. Yet he has found some stuff, but not 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:07.240 necessarily that, and that would suggest that this flood did happen, 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:09.879 and it did happen quickly, and there were people around 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:13.520 to witness it and create a story about it. But 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:17.160 what experts think that there is no wood that would 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:21.440 survive that long. It's that's likely the case in ice 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:25.600 and water and whatever. And also, I mean if it 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:30.680 was trapped in ice, like say on the side of error, right, Um, 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:33.720 a glacier wouldn't have frozen it in place. It would 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:37.080 have moved it down the mountain. That's what they say. 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:41.359 So what about Suleiman? Uh? Well, let's talk about the 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:44.560 air rat anomaly first, because that's pretty interesting. Okay, I'm sorry, 0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:47.919 I thought we already had, did I guess not. I 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:50.359 think we're about whom we took a step to the left. 0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:52.520 There are photos that were taken by the c I 0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:54.760 a UM back in the day, and I think it 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:57.159 was I think it was actually film as well, and 0:22:57.200 --> 0:23:00.359 they've got film frames now that they've released. They were 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:04.400 classified and then released in the Freedom of Information Act. 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:08.119 And if you look at pictures, there's a dark spot 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:11.280 and it looks like a big old boat. It looks 0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:14.720 like a big old boat. And um, so they called 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:17.960 that the error at an only but most like experts claim, 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:21.040 like you said, that it wouldn't just be stuck frozen 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:24.240 up there, it would have moved down from the mountain, 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:29.880 not at feet and that's where um uh, George Jamal 0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:32.639 said he what he found it was on err Rat, yeah, 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:36.480 which he had never been tot Um. And then Mount 0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:40.520 Suleman that's the one in Iran and that's been a 0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:45.480 particular interest to the Bible Archaeology Search and ex Exploration Institute. 0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:48.359 Did you see this one? I have not. Does it 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:50.520 look like it too? It looks like a I mean 0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:53.359 it's rock. Well they're saying like, yeah, it looks like 0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:56.040 it's rock, but it's actually petrified wood. But it's not 0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:59.040 the big problem is it's missing like obvious cuts and 0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:02.760 joints in evidence that it was a man made wooden 0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:05.760 structure at some point in time. Yeah. There's there's a 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:09.960 Christian apologetics group called Answers in Genesis that you can 0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:12.560 find on the internet, and they even came out and 0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:16.760 were like, I think officially they didn't have an official comment, 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:22.800 but they said, you know, even Christian creationist geologists say 0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:25.760 that it's a rock formation and this kind of stuff 0:24:25.800 --> 0:24:28.040 if you push it just makes us look bad. I 0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:32.000 got to, but they still said, but you never know, right. 0:24:33.240 --> 0:24:36.040 But it is in the shape of a boat. Ish, 0:24:36.320 --> 0:24:39.320 that's cool. Of roughly the same size. That's very neat. 0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:45.960