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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Dan, Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Our first guest is Dan Baldwin is a professional writer,

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Speaker 2: often seen as a ghostwriter for other professionals. He has

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Speaker 2: written or co written or ghosted more than fifty books,

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Speaker 2: has won numerous local, regional, and national awards. He's a

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Speaker 2: certified clinical hypnotherapist. Plays the Native American flute, is an

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Speaker 2: extra pendulum dowser, having used the pendulum to assist in

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Speaker 2: finding missing people for more than fifteen years. Dan, welcome

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Speaker 2: to the program.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's delightful, we'll be back. I'm delighted to be here.

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Speaker 2: It's good to have you with us.

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Speaker 3: Have you been been busy, been real busy.

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Speaker 2: What have you been up to.

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Speaker 3: I've been swinging that pendulum an awful lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. How did you get involved in that?

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Speaker 3: It's a real strange story. Uh. I was about twenty

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Speaker 3: years ago. I heard a voice, and I'm not a

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Speaker 3: clear audience. I don't hear voices. You know, the pendulum

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Speaker 3: is my thing. I heard a voice, clear as a

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Speaker 3: bell that said, you know, go find missing children. It

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Speaker 3: was like a commandment, and it was one of those

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Speaker 3: things that stuck in the back of my head and

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Speaker 3: just would not let me go. And after about three

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Speaker 3: months of dealing with it, I finally said, you know,

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Speaker 3: looked at the sky and said, yeah, show me the door.

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Speaker 3: I'll walk through it. And it hit me that my

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Speaker 3: mom had told me that we have a little psyching trend,

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Speaker 3: you know, in the family. And I said, well, I'll

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Speaker 3: give that a shot. You know, I'm not I'm not

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Speaker 3: a copper, a private eye, but you know, maybe I

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Speaker 3: can use the psychic psychic ability if I have any,

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Speaker 3: to find these missing kids. And I just started hanging

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Speaker 3: around with different psychics and one day I saw someone

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Speaker 3: doing doing a pendulum. I said, that's it. I can

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Speaker 3: do that, and I just picked it up.

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Speaker 2: Now, how does it work finding missing people?

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Speaker 3: It works like it doesn't any investigative process. The pendulum

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Speaker 3: is really a rock on the string. It's like a

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Speaker 3: terror cards or crystal ball. There's nothing magic about it.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a tool. But what it does is one

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Speaker 3: your well, your your conscious mind is looking at this

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Speaker 3: weight on a string. Your your subconscious mind is freed up,

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Speaker 3: and that's where all the magic happens, and your subconscious

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Speaker 3: is able to contact oh what the medieval bards would

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Speaker 3: call the other world, you know, call it the universe,

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Speaker 3: whatever tag you want to put on it. But you're

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Speaker 3: able to contact the other world and get the answers

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Speaker 3: to your questions. And with with the pendulum, it works

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Speaker 3: very simply. If you ask a question, if the answer

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Speaker 3: is yes, it'll swing right. If the answer is no,

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Speaker 3: it'll swing it'll swing to the left. And it's just

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Speaker 3: a process of uh, you know, conversation and the process

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Speaker 3: of elimination. Do you I'm sorry, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Do you hold it over a mat?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? You can. Normally I hold it over my palm

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Speaker 3: and ask questions. But if I'm looking for a missing person, uh,

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Speaker 3: you can reduce the area that you're looking at, say

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Speaker 3: from the United States to Arizona to northern Arizona at

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Speaker 3: some point to question and answers. You can narrow down

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Speaker 3: the area and then you can pull out a map

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Speaker 3: and get get real specific and if you want to.

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Speaker 3: I've often used Google Earth, and you can actually, you know,

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Speaker 3: you get you can get right down to very specific areas.

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Speaker 3: I mean, in looking for a missing person or missing

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Speaker 3: or whatever. You can actually get latitude and longitude.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you get.

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Speaker 3: Remarkable Yeah, when it when it works, Yeah, working with

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Speaker 3: it's like any other psychic capabilities. Sometimes you're cooking, sometimes

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Speaker 3: you're not. But when one, it's when it's right, it

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Speaker 3: is extremely accurate and it's a very good Georgia and

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Speaker 3: I've discovered it's an extremely effective investigated tool.

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Speaker 2: Now, Dan, you also use this for researching extraterrestrials. How

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Speaker 2: does that work?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? That is correct. Yeah. Let me make a small announcement. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Georgia and I have the new book we wrote. We

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Speaker 3: just wrote The Sky People in Our Ancestors was just

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Speaker 3: out last week, so your audience is the first to

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Speaker 3: hear about this. So Wed, Yeah, we were kicking around

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Speaker 3: one day after our last book and which involved you know,

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Speaker 3: That's that's part of history. And we said, well, you know,

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Speaker 3: them in Louisiana, which is basically the mound builder culture,

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Speaker 3: which is the cliff dwelling culture. And we decided to

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Speaker 3: they did have contact with the sky people, which they did,

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Speaker 3: were definitely they were definitely here visiting our Native American

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Speaker 2: And you asked the pendulum what kind of questions to

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, basically the questions like you and I. You

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Speaker 3: I would start asking, you know, did you have visitations

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Speaker 3: But they said, now, they would tell us, you know,

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Speaker 2: But they did believe in gods.

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Speaker 3: They said, did you share religion? And they said, we

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Speaker 3: And the shaman told me, he said, well, my religion

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Speaker 2: Tell us more about the sky.

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Speaker 3: People than Yeah, they were basically they arrived not on

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Speaker 3: an extensive or search, question and answer periods, but basically,

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Speaker 3: the Native Americans, and what they traded was basically information,

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Speaker 2: How often did these sky people visit?

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Speaker 3: There was no regular schedule. I asked them if it was,

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Speaker 3: not regular. They would just show up. And another interesting

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Speaker 3: the Mound building cultures that that they encountered were what

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Speaker 3: And what really threw me was they never we never

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Speaker 2: We got to know, what about the praying mentis type?

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Speaker 3: You know, the Catto Indians were one of the high

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Speaker 3: the Spanish and the French came along through Louisiana and

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Speaker 3: up and there. But they were very high culture. They

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Speaker 3: in existence. They were very highly skilled, very very knowledgeable people.

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Speaker 2: Did you find out, Dan, why the sky people visited us?

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Speaker 3: Basically, the answer we kept getting was just to share information.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure there's probably a lot more to that, but

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Speaker 3: the information that the Native American spirits gave us was

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Speaker 3: they were there on a friendly visit and they were

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Speaker 3: there to share information.

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Speaker 2: And of course they did share it.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, both sides, you know, they traded information

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Speaker 3: and something that was really it kind of fascinated me.

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Speaker 3: Up in the Utah area, the Indians there were very

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Speaker 3: check down in some areas in the Arizona south of

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Speaker 3: Sky people visited. But down in Arizona they were a

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Speaker 3: more intimidated. They didn't fear the sky people, but the

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Speaker 2: Did they ever describe the craft yep?

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Speaker 3: And she has been contacted a couple of times since

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Speaker 2: Then when you got a yes to that question, was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, we used the pendulum extensively. One of

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Speaker 3: the real benefits of working with the pendlum and this

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Speaker 3: when you when you're dealing with the psychic, who's dealing

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Speaker 3: Well with pendulum downs and you can carry on extensive conversations.

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Speaker 3: George and I've had conversations with spirits and yeah in Louisiana, Detexas, Arkansas, Arizona,

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Speaker 2: Were you baffled by the fact that this works, not really?

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Speaker 2: Or do you expect it?

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Speaker 3: if you've got the flu in your own Colt cold

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Speaker 2: How many books stan have you written with George Shawl?

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Speaker 3: George and I have written, uh, this will be our

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Speaker 3: for the pendulum the Pendulum Dowsing one, the South Dowsing,

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Speaker 3: together we wrote the Skypeople books. So George and I

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Speaker 3: have been I have two books together, and we're we're

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Speaker 3: going to meet later this month and see if there's

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Speaker 3: another that says a third in.

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Speaker 2: US, fascinating research that you tube do, fascinating.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing. And you know it's like you open a

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Speaker 2: There are more doors and more rooms.

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Speaker 3: And more rooms. Yeah, it's fascinating.

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