WEBVTT - Part Three: The Phil Spector Episodes 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:02.880 All media. 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:07.840 Hey everybody, Robert here and the International Academy of Digital 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:11.360 Arts and Sciences have announced that three different Cool Zone 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:15.000 media shows have been nominated for awards at the thirtieth 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:18.000 annual Webby Awards. You can vote on these now if 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:21.680 you just google the name of the podcast and the category. 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:24.840 Behind the Bastards has been nominated in the Experimental and 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:28.720 Innovation Podcasts category. It Could Happen Here is in the 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:33.839 News and Politics Podcasts category, and James Stout's mini series 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:37.120 Migrating to America A Dream Worth Dying For has been 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:41.160 nominated in the Podcasts Documentary category. And you can find 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.360 links to vote for each of these podcasts in the 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.519 episode description and in the posts on social media for 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:49.680 episodes that It Could Happen Here and Behind the Bastards. 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:50.000 Thank you. 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:59.920 Welcome back to Behind the Bastards everyone. I'm Robert Evans. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.720 This is a classy podcast about the worst people in 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:07.600 all of history, always introduced by beautiful musical accompanyment courtesy 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:10.800 of our guests Greasy will imagine. 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:22.639 This, No bastards, It isn't hard to do. 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And then short have. 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.800 Imagine that no more lords. 0:02:57.720 --> 0:02:59.080 Or tech freaks. 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:12.480 From nest ge, no poison gas, dicotatoes, would libertary young. 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:20.720 Dreamt time robbers. 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:36.680 Would finally you miss I'm a dream of But if 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:38.000 the Bestards were all. 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:49.840 Through and then me signs in study and there be. 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:56.400 None, it was beautiful. 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:58.000 Well, thank you, thank you. 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:00.480 Yes, this was an entire composition by me. 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.960 I reproduced this all because today we are going to 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.200 be talking a little bit about the Beatles and about 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:11.400 John Lennon and Phil Spector and his relationship to all 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:15.520 of them. And so yesterday I decided I had so 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:17.680 many things to do that I was like gonna like 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.000 lose my mind, and I thought, what could be better 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:25.800 than ignoring all your jobs, getting blackout drunk and making 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:30.480 a tribute song for this week's second week here on 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:34.040 Phil Spector Episode three, which I thought this was gonna 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:35.080 be like one episode. 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:37.880 I can't believe we're getting two songs. 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:41.080 Yeah, well I had to. It was like it was 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:42.080 you know, it was like I. 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.720 Gotta keep them, keep them, keep the fans interested. 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:46.960 I judge it. 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:53.159 So yeah, so yesterday I got you got your gavel, honorable. 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.479 It's official. Yeah, that was Beatle. And I do wonder 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:58.800 a lot. Will I wake up scared every night like 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.280 are the did people finally figured out how to stop 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:02.960 being evil? 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:05.520 Like is this the day that that my job loses 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:06.000 all meaning? 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.120 And then I wake up and someone's fmitted a horrible 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:08.760 crime against you. 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:12.120 Man, breath and watch. 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.440 Like even just opening your phone, you're like, oh cool, still. 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:23.520 Okay, yeah they got they got. Oh man, Well this 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.960 has been a cold open, and it's a musical cold open. 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:30.040 A very warm cold open, A very warm cold opening. 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:40.280 We're hearing more about Phil Specter. If anyone notices that 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:42.960 my robe is covered in hey, it's because it just 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:43.960 fed the animals. 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.000 It's a robe. If you had not said anything, I 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:49.600 just I'd assume that was a regular winter jacket. But no, 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:50.640 you're wearing a robe. 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:51.479 It's a robe. 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:52.479 I got, Well, it's a robe. 0:05:52.480 --> 0:06:01.520 I got at Caesar's Palace, they know, buying this Well, 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:02.640 that's my favorite part. 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.320 When we last left Phil, he and Ronnie had just 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:09.880 been married, and he went to visit his mother Bertha, 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.840 literally the day of right, he went to visit his 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.159 mother Bertha. Abusive as ever. 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:20.240 Yes, when he gets home, he's drunk as hell. 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.120 He starts screaming sure, right, and he's all mad at 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.400 Ronnie and everything because he believes she's taking his money. 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.920 And Ronnie and her mother spend the night locked in 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:34.160 her bathroom hiding from Phil, scared, you know, and they 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:38.280 sleep in her in her bathtub, right, Okay, on her 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:41.280 wedding night. That's how she spends her wedding night. Cool, 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:46.479 that's romantic. So the next day Phil wakes up, realizes 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.560 he's a bastard and changes all his ways. That's the 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:50.279 end of the story. 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:53.640 Great, Wow, you really put a lot of work into 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:57.040 the song for a a long episode, but I appreciate it. 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:02.479 Well yet, well, so I'm flying knowing no not. 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.159 Went on to spend the rest of his life volunteerly 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:09.440 get a children's hospital. 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.440 Children. He's just kind of a shitty husband at this point. 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:19.680 You know, it's like I guess it's behind the shitty husbands. Yes, 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:24.280 why I'm far so far well. And also he's fucked 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.120 over a lot of women. He has. He has been horrible. 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.360 He's in general he's a horrible person. Like. Yeah, So 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.040 his relationship with his mother is strained at best. He 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.360 doesn't let her come into the studio at all. He doesn't. 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:38.600 He doesn't like her being around at all. 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.120 She sometimes she does show up at the studio and 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:43.560 she still calls him Harvey, which pisses him off. You know, 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:47.559 she like refuses to ever call him philm Yeah, that's weird. 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.160 And she'll like randomly show up in the studio with 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:54.400 like like matsa ball, soup and ship and be like Phil, 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:58.640 you need to eat And He's like, no, I know 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:00.800 I would not either, but like, you know whatever. 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:04.600 Anyway, he's also probably consuming his weight in cocaine every day, right, 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:06.480 so I'm imagining not much of an appetite. 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:11.040 He's not really a drug user as much. He kind 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:14.320 of looks down on drugs mostly he looks down an 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:18.160 artists that do drugs. Yeah, his when he does get 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:22.880 into the vices, it's mostly it's mostly alcohol, you know, 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:26.680 It's mostly that he's an alcoholic, but he's super jacyl 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.120 and hide with it all the time. It's like he'll 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.360 go and he'll go through like this is his whole life. 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.120 He does this like periods of sobriety and then periods 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:35.960 where he's just getting lit all the time. 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:38.440 And he's one of those guys he's pissed by people 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.920 like doing doing blow. He does smoke in weed, tak 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:42.480 an acid. 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.240 Right, Yeah, he doesn't seem to really like it's not 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:48.360 really mentioned about weeds, So I especially assume since like 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:52.040 the Beatles and everything, he probably was fine with weed, 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:55.840 but like definitely didn't like cocaine being around in the studio. 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:57.520 He's not the cool party guy. 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:57.920 Yeah. 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:02.439 Yeah. By the time he married Ronnie, right, he's barely 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.800 seeing his mom. But that's when his sister. Around the 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:10.199 same time, his sister gets committed to a psychiatric facility 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.440 and she will remain there for the rest of her life. 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:15.400 So Shirley is gone from the story now. 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:20.000 Phil will never talk about her ever, He never discussed her, 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.319 and because of that, she just kind of just disappears 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.800 to hit. I mean, obviously she spends the rest of 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.400 her life pretty much in and out of mental health care, so. 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.120 She's gone, right, okay, Phil. 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.640 At the same time, this is when he starts transforming 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.000 his home into a literal fortress. He's got this huge 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:40.760 mansion in Hollywood, and he's got gates all around it. 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.920 He's got dogs, he got multiple like guard dogs. He's 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:49.280 got a guy who's basically like his his like personal bodyguards, Slash. 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:53.599 Also he's like regularly like he gets his like sandwiches 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.319 and stuff, you know, is his dude, George Brand. He's 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:58.719 he's around for most of this story, and a lot 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:00.839 of the stuff that happens he's like involved in in 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.160 some way. But he seems to be just a pretty 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:08.719 pretty decent guy. But overall, like like part of his 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.199 job is to monitor Ronnie. Part of his job is 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:14.400 to monitor the visitors that come by. If like if 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.240 somebody comes in and like like a guest or whatever, 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:19.959 he's not to leave the room while they're there and 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:20.640 stuff like that. 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:25.040 Yeah, And like Rosie, I knew one son of a 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:30.320 really famous and wealthy guy and who was otherwise normal 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.640 but would periodically get really paranoid while like out hanging 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.640 out doing normal person things that they were going to 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.719 get kidnapped like that that was a constant even when 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.800 there was nothing happening, no indication of it, And I 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:46.079 guess that, like I think that just happens to some 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.240 people when they start to hit that level of wealth 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:51.040 and fame where they just can't stop thinking about all 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.199 of the people that all the things that might go wrong, 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:54.840 all the people who might want to take it from them. 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:55.319 I don't know. 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:59.319 A side story, and a really correlating side one that 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:03.280 is music industry. I once worked for Balt Getty, who 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:07.600 is the great grandson oh like those Getties, those Gettys. Yes, 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:11.480 his dad, His dad is the Getty that was kidnapped 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.880 in Europe and had his ear sliced off and everything. 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:20.880 So it's like it's understandable to carry paranoia, you know, 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:23.520 like I could. And like when he talked about it, 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:25.839 like it was always just like yeah, man, like like 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:29.240 he did not seem very trusting of people just showing 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:30.040 up at his place. 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.480 You know, we were going to kidnap my friend, but 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:33.719 we just never got around to it. 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:40.400 He didn't have any money. Reason. It also, like with 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:44.360 the whole Patty Hurst thing became like a very popular, right, 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:48.400 that's such an interesting story. Yeah, all right. So, so 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:52.160 Ronnie is restricted inside the house. She she can't really 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:55.280 do much like she uh, she's not allowed to leave ever. 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:57.960 The doors are always locked. Fill always locks the doors. 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:03.520 He's big, big on that. So as she's her isolation intensifies. 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:07.960 She began drinking heavily. Phil actually gave her the first 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:11.240 alcohol she ever had. She did not drink until she 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.480 was well into like her relationship with Phil, and Phil 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.959 gave her the first, the first sip of alcohol she 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:21.199 ever had. But now it's becoming like one of the 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:26.080 few emotional outlets available to her. Right, it wasn't recreational 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:29.400 at all. It was absolutely a coping mechanism inside an 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:33.959 environment she could not safely leave. Like Phil's behavior becomes 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:39.600 increasingly unpredictable, alternating between affection, surveillance, and intimidation. He gets 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.120 more and more controlling. He would tell her to stop 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.480 focusing on her music, you know, and like be a 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.959 good wife and that's what she should do, and that's 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:51.800 her job. And he no longer even pretends that like 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:56.120 to be interested in taking her into the studio anymore, 0:12:56.280 --> 0:13:00.360 Like she has no career anymore being her Like the 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.480 Ronettes are still doing things like touring and stuff like that. 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:06.840 She's just not a part of it. Right. The group 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:08.720 that's literally her namesake. 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.760 Ronettes, don't have Ronnie anymore. 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:13.199 Yeah, they're still touring. 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.640 And because like you know, again, like it's very like 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.559 bands back then are very amorphous. You don't really know 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.400 what a lot of them look like because you've never 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:26.120 seen a picture of them, you know. Sure, so no 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:30.079 one else knows or whatever. But because she's drinking heavily, 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.680 she would she would sneak downstairs. They had a bar, right, 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.160 because Phil's a you know in the entertainment industry. People 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.840 come over, they have a bar, and but he would 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.400 lock it up, and she would just come down and 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:44.360 jimmy it open and drink all the liquor that's inside. 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:48.520 And then you know, and Phil obviously sees this or whatever. Sure, Uh, 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:52.360 even though she's stressed and you know, isolated and going 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.000 through this whole thing, they still are trying to have 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.320 a baby, you know, but they weren't able to ever conceive. Uh, 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:00.800 And the blame was always passed to her, despite you know, 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:04.600 Phil be in half of that situation as well, you know, Yeah, 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.880 sensing that she was getting frustrated with life as a shutting. 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.120 In nineteen sixty eight, for her birthday, Phil bought Ronnie 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:15.719 a Camaro, but even in the gift came the air 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.959 of control. He had the car monogrammed with VS for 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:23.520 Veronica Specter, so everyone would know that she's his possession. Right. 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:25.840 It's like wow, because she's the. 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:32.560 Yes and she she's like, you know, musically, she's known 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:36.800 as Ronnie, right, so for her to he starts calling 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:40.480 her Veronica all the time, specifically as a measure of control, Like, 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:45.000 you are not Ronnie anymore. You are Veronica Specter. You 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:51.960 are Phil's wife, right whatever? Harvey was that his real name, Harvey? Yeah? 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.920 Wow, Yeah, just the emphasis on really forcing her to 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.400 like that in front of her face is interesting. Yeah, 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:01.600 some desperation on his part too. 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:03.440 It's about to get even better. 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:04.880 Yeah, right. 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.320 So this is a quote from Ronnie from. 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:12.280 Be My Baby. Quote. It might seem far fetched that 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.640 anyone would put that match much energy into controlling someone 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:18.560 else's life, but that was Phil. You've got to remember 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:20.480 that the man was a genius and he had nothing 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:22.560 better to do with his life after he retired from 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:25.160 rock and roll, So turning me into the perfect wife 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.560 became his major project, just as making me into a 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:29.880 number one singer had been his goal five years earlier. 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:34.600 So you know, this is what he spends his time 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:36.680 doing instead of music now is just being. 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.720 Maybe there's other things he could have done with his life, 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:43.200 with his with his vast fortune and access to the 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:46.040 halls of power and entertainment, maybe other things. 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:51.160 Okay, this next part is easily my favorite Phil Spectors story. Like, 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.000 we're gonna get into all right, So there's going to 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:59.440 be some very troubling things and also some extremely hilarious 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.440 things that you will you just all right, I'm gonna 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:05.080 tell you, all right, So so understand that when we're laughing, 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.720 we're also crying. You know. I want to make sure 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:11.280 everybody knows that this is funny in retrospect, but in 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:14.440 at the time, I'm sure it was horrific and trigger 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:15.520 warnings and all that shit. 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.400 These are just sing you have to laugh about afterwards, 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:19.680 because that's how else. 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:24.000 Do you handle it. Crazy crazy. So when showing her 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.320 the brand new Camaro, he goes to the trunk and 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:30.280 he pulls out an inflatable mannequin dressed exactly like himself. 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:35.080 Ronnie is completely valid about I guess and He tells 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.720 her this is for when you're driving alone, so no 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.960 one will ever fuck with you. She realize, God, Phil 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.800 has this dummy just watch over her when she's not 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:45.680 when he's not with her. 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:47.320 Yeah, he's got my dummy. 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:51.000 And like she talks about it extensively, like it had 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.000 like his face basically like on it, you know, like 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.400 he's you say, it's a blow up dummy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:01.280 it's an inflatable dummy. And he's got a dressed exactly 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:05.040 like him. He's got it, and he puts it in 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.919 the seat and she's like, he's got close for the dummy. 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.160 Yeah, Hey, why does the dummy have a gun? 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:17.480 Phil? It's so funny. Yeah, inflatable dummy with a gun. 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:20.480 Keeps popping himself. 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:22.760 I feel like he's trying to send a message. But 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:24.760 I just can't figure out what it is. 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.800 The dummy you shot himself in the head. I've never 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:28.800 seen anything like it. 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:33.800 So just ten days later, and only four months after 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:36.679 their wedding, Ronnie hired a lawyer to file for divorce, 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:42.440 but fair almost immediately she rescinds and says, like, Okay, 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:44.960 I'm just I'm being silly, Like I need to chill out. 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.320 I'm not this doesn't have to be this way like 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:51.119 it definitely, you know, probably I mean a bit of 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.840 early marriage jitters, because this guy's a giant asshole. 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:57.439 Like maybe I can fix him. 0:17:57.480 --> 0:17:59.480 You know, I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure many of my 0:17:59.600 --> 0:17:59.919 ex y. 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.600 I thought exactly the same thing. 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:04.719 No comment. 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:11.040 Well, look I can't stand me. I think you're perfect 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:15.399 the way you are, all right. 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.480 So, Ronnie says that Phil was never physically violent, it 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:22.040 just it wasn't his style, but his emotional and mental 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.680 abuse was legendary. Yeah, when she falls and suffers a 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.960 minor sprain and he has to leave town, he hires 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:31.680 a nurse to look over her while he's gone. Sounds 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:33.960 that sounds nice, right, He hires her a nurse while 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:37.280 he's out of town. No, the nurse is there to 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:40.920 forbid her from doing anything. She's forced to sit in 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.720 a wheelchair and use a wheelchair while he's gone, so 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:47.560 she can't get around or whatever. All right, And then 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:51.360 he's not just like controlling her with the nurse. He's 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:53.840 also I mean, he is controlling, but he's also having 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:57.840 the nurse give her heavy duty tranquilizers. 0:18:58.080 --> 0:18:58.800 Oh shit. 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.320 Oh so cool, so that she. 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.879 Just has no like willpower to do anything while he's gone. 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:09.520 Yeah, she just put her on pause. He's putting his 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:12.800 partner on pause as he leaves for the weekend or whatever. Yeah, 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:16.040 she's like a TiVo. Kids don't know what TiVo is, 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:17.480 like a vision again. 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:21.800 So yeah, so he's literally like she she has some 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:24.040 friends come over and her friends are like, why you 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:26.760 what are these pills you're taking. She's like, the nurse 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:27.639 just makes me take them. 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:29.520 I don't know what they are dead inside? 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:30.080 Are you okay? 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:33.359 Man? 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:38.000 So Phil eventually lets her get back into the studio 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:40.600 but and writes a song for her, but it bombs 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:44.480 horribly and he uses it as justification for her to 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:48.040 no longer pursue her music career. Years later, she realizes 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.159 that Phil likely gave her a bad song for that 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:54.240 exact reason, and she finally resigns to just be the 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.440 housewife that Phil wants her to be. So he like, 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:01.520 he gives her a purposely bad song, and it's like, 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:04.280 see it it failed, You should just be a wife. Yeah, 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:05.560 I got it. He's trying. 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:08.320 Great. Guess that's like gaslighting. 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:11.560 You really have to that's on the stag. 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:13.640 Yeah, yeah, it's like on the nasional state. 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:17.320 Literally, like I'll fuck up my career just to fuck 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:18.200 up your career. 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:20.399 It's the opposite of what I want to do to 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:23.480 like right wingers who who fail out of Hollywood or 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:26.440 whatever and try to and go into politics is just 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:28.760 like make fake fans and a fake and its be like, 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:31.800 oh yeah, you can fill fake Madison Square Garden been Shapiro. 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:34.200 People love to hear your speakers. 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:37.880 Oh man. 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:41.399 So so yeah. So she finally resigns to just be 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:45.800 the housewife and they adopt a baby boy named Dante. Okay, 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:49.000 but Phil doesn't want anyone to know that this baby 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:54.240 is adopted, so he sends out fake birth announcements being 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:57.680 like we welcome Dante to our family, and like when 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:00.920 people ask, he tells her, like, tell her, just tell 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:04.199 everybody because like obviously she was not pregnant and then 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:07.040 she has a baby, right uh and and he's like, 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:10.040 just tell everybody that that it was it was a 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:13.960 premature birth. And that's why you know, we you didn't 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:16.639 see me pregnant at all because I was barely ever pregnant. 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:21.760 You know that's not how that works. Yeah, yeah, well 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:24.560 you know at nineteen sixty seven or eight or some shit. 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:28.920 You know, it's like probably you know, it's like it's 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:31.320 not like FaceTime exists or whatever. You know, like you 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:34.280 could go a good time without really seeing somebody and 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:34.720 then be like. 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:36.560 MS pregnancy entirely. 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:43.200 Yeah, yes, so, uh, she gets the baby and everything, 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:46.119 but she's not allowed to be a mother to the 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:49.119 baby at all. So they get like a nanny and 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:51.200 then nanny does all the work and feels. 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:52.600 Like that's why we hired a nanny. 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:53.560 What are you doing work for? 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:55.440 So why are you doing nanny stuff? 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:57.639 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, So she's like, you tell me to 0:21:57.720 --> 0:21:59.919 be the perfect wife and the perfect mother, and then 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.040 and then you yell at me whenever I'm trying to 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:06.480 be a mother. She completely gives up on having a career, 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:08.719 all right, And then this is from this is from 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:11.800 Ronnie's book. Quote. Besides, he pointed out, who's going to 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:13.720 take care of the baby while we're in the studio. 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:16.560 Bil knew he had me. I wasn't going to argue 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:19.200 against anything that might get my career back, so I 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:22.240 accepted it. And then she goes on to say that 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:27.320 anytime she would bring up getting back into the studio, 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:30.280 he would either like be like, you got to take 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:31.960 care of the baby, what are you doing? Or he 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:34.119 would like or he'd flip out on her and be like, 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:35.680 I've got other things to do, I've got a call 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:37.880 to make. I can't be doing this shit right now. Yeah, 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:41.680 So he's like so he's like gaslighting hers, like back 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:44.280 and forth on everything that's going on in her life. 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:46.320 You know, it's like, you know, you can't go into 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:47.639 the studio because you gotta be a mom, but you 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:49.280 can't be a mom because we hired a nanny. Why 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:50.920 would you be a mom? Like, you know, it's like 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:54.840