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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Robert here and the International Academy of Digital

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Speaker 2: Arts and Sciences have announced that three different Cool Zone

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Speaker 2: Behind the Bastards has been nominated in the Experimental and

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Speaker 2: Innovation Podcasts category. It Could Happen Here is in the

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Speaker 2: Migrating to America A Dream Worth Dying For has been

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Speaker 2: episodes that It Could Happen Here and Behind the Bastards.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Behind the Bastards everyone. I'm Robert Evans.

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Speaker 2: This is a classy podcast about the worst people in

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Speaker 2: all of history, always introduced by beautiful musical accompanyment courtesy

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Speaker 2: of our guests Greasy will imagine.

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Speaker 4: This, No bastards, It isn't hard to do. No code

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Speaker 5: Re imagine All the podcast is.

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Speaker 4: What day do you.

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Speaker 5: Imagine that no robots.

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Speaker 3: And no Sophie too, not going to him every shot steak.

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Speaker 5: Now son creeps, or you.

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Speaker 4: Imagine the old look people, nor that now the juice

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Speaker 4: you you missing?

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Speaker 5: I'm a dreamer.

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Speaker 4: The bis part is basic clear. The whole lot is

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Speaker 4: called the best Stards. And then short have.

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Speaker 5: Imagine that no more lords.

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Speaker 3: Or tech freaks.

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Speaker 6: From nest ge, no poison gas, dicotatoes, would libertary young.

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Speaker 4: Dreamt time robbers.

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Speaker 7: Would finally you miss I'm a dream of But if

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Speaker 7: the Bestards were all.

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Speaker 3: None, it was beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 5: Yes, this was an entire composition by me.

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Speaker 3: I reproduced this all because today we are going to

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Speaker 3: be talking a little bit about the Beatles and about

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Speaker 3: John Lennon and Phil Spector and his relationship to all

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Speaker 3: of them. And so yesterday I decided I had so

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Speaker 3: many things to do that I was like gonna like

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Speaker 3: lose my mind, and I thought, what could be better

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Speaker 3: than ignoring all your jobs, getting blackout drunk and making

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Speaker 3: a tribute song for this week's second week here on

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Speaker 3: Phil Spector Episode three, which I thought this was gonna

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Speaker 2: I can't believe we're getting two songs.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well I had to. It was like it was

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Speaker 3: Gotta keep them, keep them, keep the fans interested.

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Speaker 2: I judge it.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so yesterday I got you got your gavel, honorable.

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Speaker 2: It's official. Yeah, that was Beatle. And I do wonder

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Speaker 2: are the did people finally figured out how to stop

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Speaker 3: Like is this the day that that my job loses

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Speaker 2: And then I wake up and someone's fmitted a horrible

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Speaker 5: Like even just opening your phone, you're like, oh cool, still.

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Speaker 2: A very warm cold open, A very warm cold opening.

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Speaker 2: We're hearing more about Phil Specter. If anyone notices that

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Speaker 3: It's a robe. If you had not said anything, I

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Speaker 2: I got at Caesar's Palace, they know, buying this Well,

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Speaker 3: When we last left Phil, he and Ronnie had just

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Speaker 3: that's romantic. So the next day Phil wakes up, realizes

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Speaker 2: Great, Wow, you really put a lot of work into

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Speaker 3: Well yet, well, so I'm flying knowing no not.

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Speaker 2: Went on to spend the rest of his life volunteerly

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Speaker 3: Children. He's just kind of a shitty husband at this point.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, this is when he starts transforming

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Speaker 3: Also he's like regularly like he gets his like sandwiches

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And like Rosie, I knew one son of a

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Speaker 3: A side story, and a really correlating side one that

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Speaker 3: She began drinking heavily. Phil actually gave her the first

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Speaker 3: Ronettes are still doing things like touring and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: She's just not a part of it. Right. The group

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Speaker 3: that's literally her namesake.

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Speaker 3: And because like you know, again, like it's very like

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Speaker 3: Okay, this next part is easily my favorite Phil Spectors story. Like,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got my dummy.

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Speaker 3: So just ten days later, and only four months after

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Speaker 5: Like maybe I can fix him.

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Speaker 5: I thought exactly the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, look I can't stand me. I think you're perfect

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Speaker 3: So, Ronnie says that Phil was never physically violent, it

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Speaker 3: that sounds nice, right, He hires her a nurse while

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Speaker 3: also I mean, he is controlling, but he's also having

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Speaker 4: Oh shit.

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Speaker 2: Oh so cool, so that she.

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Speaker 3: Just has no like willpower to do anything while he's gone.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so he's literally like she she has some

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Speaker 3: So Phil eventually lets her get back into the studio

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Speaker 3: he gives her a purposely bad song, and it's like,

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Speaker 3: I got it. He's trying.

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Speaker 2: Great. Guess that's like gaslighting.

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Speaker 3: You really have to that's on the stag.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's like on the nasional state.

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Speaker 3: Literally, like I'll fuck up my career just to fuck

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Speaker 2: It's the opposite of what I want to do to

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Speaker 3: People love to hear your speakers.

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Speaker 3: So so yeah. So she finally resigns to just be

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Speaker 3: You know that's not how that works. Yeah, yeah, well

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, so, uh, she gets the baby and everything,

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Speaker 3: What are you doing work for?

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Speaker 3: Bil knew he had me. I wasn't going to argue

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Speaker 3: So he's like so he's like gaslighting hers, like back

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Speaker 3: You know, it's like, you know, you can't go into

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Speaker 2: I mean, And that's also got to be getting him off,

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Speaker 3: Right, yes, And it does seem to be like a

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Speaker 3: The reason it's it's like he has to have control

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Speaker 3: Once he had her, he was like, Oh, I don't care,

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Speaker 3: I've proved everything I need to prove here. But now

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Speaker 3: everyone else, and he takes joy from that. You know, Okay,

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Speaker 3: but Ronnie's memoir is full of the most hilarious stories

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Speaker 3: to Watts to buy him an Afro wig. Oh god, no,

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Speaker 3: no he doesn't, Oh he doesn't know he doesn't know.

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Speaker 3: That's no Watts, that's not real. You're in like you're

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Speaker 2: Watts was I don't know that's where you would buy

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Speaker 2: and listeners. Watts was calmless, calmly, the famously the calmest

438
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: place in Los Angeles. That's part of the sixties. Nothing

439
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 2: nothing happened in Watts during this part of the sixties.

440
00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 4: No, no, no, okay.

441
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 3: So she has to go all over Watts looking for one,

442
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 3: and she finally finds it and she brings it back

443
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: for Phil and he loves it and he starts wearing

444
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 3: it all the time, dude.

445
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 2: Including awesome, awesome.

446
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: Including to a black church in Watts that he forces

447
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 3: them to go to. He's like, we're gonna go to

448
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 3: this black church and Watts his own Watts riot. Okay,

449
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 3: hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I misinterpreted

450
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 3: what you were saying, And now it's even funnier because

451
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 3: I thought you were saying he forced her to get

452
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 3: that for the kid to wear. No, but no, Phil

453
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 3: to welm the picture. Yeah, Afrone says, she's like kind

454
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 3: of bored.

455
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 5: But Phil is loving it.

456
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 3: He's you know, hall no, Yeah, he's dancing around and

457
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 3: he's gone, and he's wearing a gun at the time.

458
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 3: Everybody can see he's wearing a gun and being the

459
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 3: only white person in like a very black church in

460
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 3: Watts dancing around and clapping and singing Hallowejah and doing

461
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 3: all this chef row wig with a peace. Oh my god,

462
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 3: I mean, can you can you even imagine this happening?

463
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 3: Like he survived through like the grace of people just

464
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 3: being like, oh, that guy's crazy as fuck. There's something

465
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 3: wrong with Yeah, it's so funny man. So so Ronnie

466
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 3: of course continues to abuse alcohol, because who wouldn't in

467
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 3: this situation, right, I don't even call that abusing.

468
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 5: I would just call that that's that's medicating.

469
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, just.

470
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 3: So, she blacks out while driving her car and she

471
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 3: wrecks her her Camaro and she doesn't get any trouble.

472
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 3: But Phil's that like, all right, well, you got to

473
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 3: see a psychiatrist, and which she does right up until

474
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 3: the psychiatrist says, also, hey, Phil, you should come in

475
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 3: because clearly there's some other things going on that are

476
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 3: that are.

477
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 5: Causing this stuff. There might be more to yeah, and

478
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 5: and he's like and he's like, no.

479
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 3: I ain't doing that. He's like, and you ain't either,

480
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 3: you ain't going to a psychiatrist and so uh and

481
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 3: he tells her specifically, you're the one with the problems.

482
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 3: Why would I go?

483
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: Wow, wow wow, what a perfectly shitty response, though, that

484
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: is beautiful Phil well crafted.

485
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh. He tries locking the liquor cabinet, but she

486
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 3: just pries it open. He eventually he forces her into rehab,

487
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 3: which she actually loves. She's like, rehab.

488
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 5: Is the ship.

489
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 3: To rehab, and it was great. It helps her a lot.

490
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 3: And she and she because it's like, oh, I get

491
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 3: to be away from Phil. I don't have to be

492
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 3: around him anymore. So now any time she starts this

493
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 3: cycle right where anytime she just gets sick of Phil,

494
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 3: she just drinks a shipload and gets put into rehab,

495
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 3: and then she's a cool two week vacation from Phil,

496
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 3: right and then pops right back.

497
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 5: Okay, fine, I'll come back. I can deal with him again,

498
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 5: you know.

499
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 2: So she doesn't have an alcohol problem as much as

500
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: she has a Phil Spector problem.

501
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 3: Yes, completely, just atcha gotcha.

502
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: Speaking of things that will make you go to rehab.

503
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: I have to go to rehab every time we do

504
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: an advertisement because I'm addicted to our advertisements.

505
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 3: I should probably go to rehab. But rehab these her quitters,

506
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 3: says the two shirt I saw at the state fair

507
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: when I was eleven. Yeah, exactly, that state fair taught

508
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 3: you a lot. Thank you, Carney. Parents.

509
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: Come back and we'll learn some things. You can't learn

510
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: how a state fair unless it's the Texas one. And

511
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: we're back, all right.

512
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: So she's drinking, she's a drunk, she's going to rehab.

513
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: She's a specter, she's addicted to Phil Specter. Yeah, and

514
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: she's going to rehab.

515
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 3: One night, Phil takes Ronnie down to the basement of

516
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: their house. Don't like sure, are ready? Don't like this? Wait,

517
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 3: this is starting. I don't love that.

518
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: I don't love that.

519
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 3: He takes it down to their basement and he shows

520
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 3: her a golden glass casket and he says, this is

521
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 3: where you will be if you ever leave me. Oh. Oh.

522
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 3: The level of commitment to this intimidation, I cannot begin

523
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 3: to stress. He had a gold custom made casket, right,

524
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: he had them bring it into his house like he

525
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: presumably left it there for years.

526
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, only waiting wait until he knew he needed the

527
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: big guns to pull out.

528
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 3: Like this is this is high level mental abuse. Yeah,

529
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 3: this this is like what an unlimited budget? Like this

530
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: is why I would never date a millionaire right or

531
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 3: a billionaire? Oh, because they can do crazy shit to you. Yeah,

532
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: Like they're gonna be able to like pay somebody to

533
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 3: just follow you around for an entire year when you

534
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 3: when you leave them, you know, Yeah, it's dark.

535
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: It's like protecting that casket. Like he's not pissed. And

536
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: she wants to go downstairs, and he's like, wait, no, no, no,

537
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: I gotta take care of that.

538
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: You can't go down there. You can't go down I

539
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: don't want you to see it.

540
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: A Christmas gift, yeah, something like that.

541
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: She's like, I'm just gonna go get a jar spaghetti.

542
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 5: He's like no, no, no, no, no, no, no no

543
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 5: no no, make George get it.

544
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 3: All right. So she would claim that the doors of

545
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: the house were always locked and she was only allowed

546
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 3: to leave during their anniversary. Phil kept her shoes so

547
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 3: she could never leave the house without his approval. For

548
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: her twenty sixth birthday, She's twenty six years old. For

549
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 3: twenty sixth birthday, Phil takes her to Las Vegas to

550
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 3: see Elvis Presley and presumably so they could do karate

551
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 3: in the fucking back roof.

552
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, would imagine they're doing karate, maybe showing off the

553
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: guns they always carry.

554
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, So she's stoked because you know, she always wanted

555
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 3: to meet Elvis and they're a big time people or whatever. Yeah,

556
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: And basically Phil like abandons her in the crowd and

557
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 3: it's like, I'm going to hang out with Elvis, go

558
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 3: to the hotel room.

559
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 4: Such a man, I'll see you later.

560
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 3: He's such a good night.

561
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: That didn't make it into the new Elvis movie.

562
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 3: That's tragic. Him and Phil Specter just in the back

563
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: just yeah, karate crazy. In nineteen sixty nine, in the

564
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: midst of the beatles well documented decline, Side Side bastard

565
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 3: Alan Klein asked Phil to come to London to help

566
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 3: assemble the disaster of the Let It Be recordings. So

567
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 3: for people who are the dumbest human beings alive and

568
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: don't know everything about the Beatles.

569
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: Sure, fair enough.

570
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: The the Let It Be album was actually recorded before Abby.

571
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: Road, Right, it was recorded, They didn't know that.

572
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was recorded before Abby Road, but it was

573
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: a mess, right they like they were fighting. John is

574
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: on Heroin hardcore. By the way, of course, side story,

575
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 3: do you know who got who I heard got John

576
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 3: addicted to Heroin was James Taylor. Oh okay, I can

577
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 3: see that. James Taylor Fire and Rain is the guy

578
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 3: who got him addicted to heroin.

579
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: Because if James Taylor offered me a Heroin I would

580
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: I would do it.

581
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see that. Yeah. Literally, if like my

582
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 3: brother offered me Heroin, I'd probably do it there, but

583
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 3: certainly James Taylor. But yeah, so so they're a mess, right,

584
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 3: they're falling apart, and Phil is brought into save these recordings,

585
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: right while uh and and there are I believe they're

586
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: already done with with abbey Road having recorded abbey Road

587
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: and Let it Be definitely comes after, you know, like

588
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 3: it was, but it was assembled by Phil essentially he

589
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 3: he he flies in literally just for this job. They're like,

590
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 3: here's a bunch of tapes, just do something with it.

591
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: And it's why that album is generally is generally like

592
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 3: kind of it's it's kind of wild. Right, There's like

593
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: these huge orchestrations, but also like these like slap dash

594
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 3: little like weird interlude sections and talking and jokes and

595
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 3: all that they just needed to fill out space and

596
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: it was part of the creativity of the whole thing,

597
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: right right.

598
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 5: Phil hates flying, which uh.

599
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: I read a story somewhere and I wish I tried

600
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: to find it so hard, But I read a story

601
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 3: one time about Phil freaking out on a private plane

602
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 3: that they had to turn around and come back like

603
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: almost immediately after taking off because he's terrified of flying

604
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 3: all the time, but he has to fly back and forth.

605
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: You do with I mean, do you think any of

606
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: his fears related to I mean, like the day the

607
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: music died, right the famous plane crash that killed Buddy

608
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: Holly and the big.

609
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: Big Bob Ritchie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, very very likely.

610
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 3: I mean, like, I think there was a lot of

611
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 3: musicians that died around this time in plane crashes. Otis

612
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: Redding dies in a plane crash right around this time,

613
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 3: you know, like, and Phil feels every one of those

614
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: deaths into me. I think it's also a bit of

615
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: like a control thing. I think Phil is a control

616
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 3: freak in the truth term of a control freak. So

617
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 3: I definitely think that that was a bit of what

618
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 3: was going on. But I think also too he just

619
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: just has a natural like fear of flying. Uh So

620
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 3: he arrives in London and he immediately starts spectroizing the

621
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 3: Beatles recording. He added strings to it, dense production to

622
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 3: McCartney's Long and Winding Road, which, if you know now,

623
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 3: like McCartney hates that McCartney released his own version of

624
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 3: Let It Be that was like despecterized, basically like he

625
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 3: took all of his production out and released that individual

626
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 3: project is like his own thing because he hated what

627
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: Phil Spector did to it.

628
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 5: In fact, you're so enraged.

629
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 3: He sent a letter to side bastard Alan Klein, demanding

630
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 3: that the arrangement be minimized. Sophie, can you show the

631
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: letter this is This is probably the angriest letter that

632
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 3: Paul McCartney has ever written. He says, dear sir, this

633
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 3: is to Alan Klein, Dear sir, in the future, no

634
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: one will be allowed to add or subtract from recording

635
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 3: of any of one of my songs without my permission.

636
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: I had considered orchestrating the Long and Winding Road, but

637
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 3: I decided against it. Therefore I want it altered to

638
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 3: these specifications. Gives a list of some stuff. One is

639
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 3: strings and horns, voices, all noises to be reduced, vocal

640
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 3: and beatle instrumentation to be brought up in volume. Three

641
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 3: is hard to be removed completely at the end of

642
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 3: the song, and four is don't ever do it again,

643
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 3: signed Paul McCartney. Don't do it again.

644
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: And this has to be like an unstoppable force and

645
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 2: movable object thing, because, like Paul McCartney, very rarely would

646
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: anyone I imagine at this time it's pretty rare for

647
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: people to tell Paul McCartney other than other Beatles, other

648
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: than other Beatles, what you do. And it has to

649
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 2: be true of Spector.

650
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: It does speak very highly of who's Phil Spector is

651
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 3: that he managed to get away with all of this. Yeah,

652
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 3: that he could do this to the Beatles, arguably the

653
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 3: biggest band. It's nineteen sixty nine, they're the biggest band

654
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: in the world. Yeah, this is their last album to

655
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 3: be released collectively. And and Paul would never work with

656
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 3: Phil again. But both Lennon and Harrison loved him. Lennon

657
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 3: and Harrison both loved him thought he did wonderful job.

658
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 3: Not good there you go. Yeah, makes sense. He's mad,

659
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 3: Paul is so mad, but uh and and a lot

660
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 3: of people claim that he ruined the Beatles, right, But

661
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 3: Let it Be sold one point two million in the

662
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: first two days as a single, and it was the Beatles'

663
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 3: final number one in America, earning them a Grammy.

664
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 5: So, hm, you know, there's certainly. I honestly, I listened

665
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 5: to Paul's.

666
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: I listened to Paul's version of the Long and Winding

667
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: Road versus Phil's the Maybe it's nostalgia that I just

668
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 3: always feel that way, but Phil's just feels more more

669
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 3: correct for what's going on.

670
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 5: It feels still very George Martini.

671
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like they stripped the soul of the

672
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 3: original like or the mid decade Beatles albums.

673
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 5: Like the sixty six to sixty seven stuff.

674
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 3: It feels it feels real, right, right, So I get

675
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 3: what Phil was on and I can respect that. I

676
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 3: think it was still a really great album. There's some

677
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 3: really cool stuff about it. So they finished work on

678
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: Let It Be and Specter set to work on another

679
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 3: Beatles project, this time the solo effort of George Harrison.

680
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 3: This is when Phil starts actually drinking again. Normally he's

681
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: the perfectionist in the studio, but George matched his perfectionist attitude,

682
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 3: and he, you know, he's scared he's not going to

683
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 3: be able to compete with the other Beatles, right, like

684
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 3: Paul will release a record or John and it will

685
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 3: overshadow him. So he makes his first record the record

686
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: like he he wasn't worried about Ringo.

687
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 8: But yeah, yeah, no one I mentioned John and I

688
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 8: mentioned Paul. That's what I said, very clearly mentioned just

689
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 8: John and Paul. Nobody's worried about.

690
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 5: Old Otill come to the sea.

691
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: Bullshit.

692
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: Look everyone, I figured out how to make a dimmest switch.

693
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: I don't know why. That's my ringo. Uh So, so

694
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 3: this starts a jecky and hide personality with him. He

695
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 3: would endlessly abuse studio personnel for his own humor. One night,

696
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 3: he gets so drunk he falls off his chair and

697
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: hurts his arm, and then he can't go to sessions

698
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 3: for like a few days. Last Also, who hasn't right,

699
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 3: Who hasn't who has had a miswork for a day

700
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 3: or two because he's got drunk and fell I've got he's.

701
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 2: Suddenly ill and had to delay podcast recordings with Sophie.

702
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 3: Of course, for sure, absolutely, because we're adult and that's what.

703
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 3: Eventually he returns to America, he leaves George to finish

704
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 3: the album. He kind of is like, you know, and

705
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: George complains that he's being inattentive and but and he doesn't.

706
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 3: He doesn't like that Phil is doing this, but he

707
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,919
Speaker 3: does regardless, finished his record and All Things Must Pass

708
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 3: was released and spent seven weeks at number one, and

709
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 3: he's the first Beatle to chart post breakup, right he is.

710
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 3: I mean, All Things with Pass is a banger of

711
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 3: a record. It is. It is top to bottom, it's

712
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 3: it's a no skip album. It's amazing, and it's nothing

713
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 3: like the Beatles, which is the most interesting thing about it,

714
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 3: is like the fact that he put out a record

715
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 3: that was not reminiscent of any of his work really

716
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 3: with the Beatles in any way.

717
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 5: He was very Ravi Shankar influenced. At this point in

718
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 5: his life.

719
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 3: He's into spiritual He's literally doing Hari Krishna songs and stuff,

720
00:39:55,040 --> 00:40:00,479
Speaker 3: you know. So so yeah, for that to be seven

721
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: weeks at number one, pretty impressive. You know. It's a

722
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 3: Great Album. In September of the same year, John Lennon

723
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 3: returned from America. He was staying in America. He returns

724
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 3: from America and he brought Phil into Abbey Road's studios

725
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 3: to record what would become the Plastic Oh No Band album.

726
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 3: In contrast to Phil's previous work, he listened to John's

727
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 3: direction and made a record of sparse arrangements. It perfectly

728
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 3: maxed John's words and the tone of the lyrics and everything.

729
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 3: So in John, Phil found a kindred spirit and the

730
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 3: same for John. Right. John had this belief that torture geniuses, right,

731
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 3: are always the tortured part of that right they have.

732
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 3: There's something that makes a person a genius, and it's

733
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 3: usually incredible strategy.

734
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 5: And of course John had his own mother died.

735
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 3: John was a victim of tragedy himself, oftentimes in the Beatles. Yeah,

736
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: you know, he had a hard life as well, and

737
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: so he kind of thought both sides of this, him

738
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 3: and Phil kind of kindred spirits, right.

739
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: Right, you know, Yeah, we're both kind of giant assholes

740
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,959
Speaker 2: to the women in our lives. This probably helps us.

741
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 3: Bond, yes exactly, Yeah, yeah, I get you, bro.

742
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 2: I to him a piece of shit sometimes.

743
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 3: So Klaus Bormann played bass on the George Harrison record

744
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 3: and the John Lennon record, and he he said, there's

745
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 3: a stark contrast of tone between Phil for George Harrison

746
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 3: and Phil for John Lennon, you know. Interesting. And also

747
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 3: Mick Mick Brown, who wrote the book Breaking Down the

748
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 3: Wall of Sound that I referenced for a lot of this,

749
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 3: he mentions that Phil got along with Yoko Ono really

750
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 3: well as well. And he relates this a lot to

751
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 3: the same thing as the way Ike Turner gave Phil

752
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 3: his face to work when he was working with Tina.

753
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 3: You know, he was like he was so respected that

754
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 3: even the controlling member of their lives was like, yeah, yeah,

755
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 3: let Phil do his thing, you know.

756
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that does say a lot.

757
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 3: That says a lot a lot, you know, like that's

758
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 3: that's those people are famously controlling of the other's careers.

759
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 3: You know.

760
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 5: So in the meantime, Ronnie is in New York.

761
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 3: She thinks her career is over, and Phil flies her

762
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 3: out to Loneon and says, hey, actually George wrote a

763
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 3: song for you. He wants you to sing it. And

764
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: so she flies out there and and she gets into

765
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 3: it and and unfortunately, uh it flops again and she's like,

766
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 3: all right, yeah, I'm done, I'm done. I'm done, right Yeah.

767
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 3: John Lennon's album did not flop, but only managed to

768
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: reach number six in America number eleven in the UK,

769
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 3: which is a pale comparison to George's success, and with

770
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 3: John seeing what he perceived as the weaker writer success

771
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 3: over his over his right, he pulled back on releasing

772
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 3: music and starts supporting Yoko's career more at the time

773
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 3: h they reunite to work on Imagine, which we we

774
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: listened to an exact copy of today.

775
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 5: Uh and and just being a legendary piece of work.

776
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 3: It wasn't really well received and Phil retreated again into

777
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 3: semi retirement and did not record any music for over

778
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 3: a year. On Christmas nineteen seventy one, Phil surprised Ronnie

779
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 3: with the said of five year old twin boys, who

780
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 3: he had adopted without her knowledge. He went through.

781
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome surprise adoption. It's better than surprise knocking someone

782
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: up and having two surprise kids.

783
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, or is it worse?

784
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: Actual a lot more thought to adopt secrets.

785
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 3: You got sign so much paperwork to adopt.

786
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: It might be you're right, it might be worse. It

787
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: might be worse.

788
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: She's coming back. She thinks they're adorable, but she doesn't

789
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: really want anything to do with them, because, you know,

790
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: his his behavior is becoming increasingly erratic. He's worse and

791
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,439
Speaker 3: worse all the time. She's just She's like, her whole

792
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 3: life is just story after story of horrible things. Like right,

793
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: you could do an entire episode just on Ronnie Spector

794
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 3: and the horrible things that happened to her. Yeah, cool

795
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 3: Phil's behavior and January of nineteen seventy two, he's arrested

796
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 3: at the Daisy Club in Beverly Hills after a woman

797
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 3: called the police to report that a small man in

798
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 3: a karate jacket pointed a gun at her. That sounds

799
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 3: like our fell, that's the description. A small man in

800
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 3: a karate jacket. That's like the most insulting thing I

801
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 3: can possibly imagine being called. I love it.

802
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 5: Police arrived promptly and found inspect Beverly Hills.

803
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 3: You know, they arrived promptly, fine inspector with a handgun

804
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 3: in his waistband, and he was charged with the misdemeanor

805
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 3: and received a two hundred dollars. Fine. Wow, we'll see

806
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: the good old days of brandishing a weapon and getting

807
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: a simple misdemeanor fine. Just a few months later, in

808
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 3: the middle of the night, Ronnie escaped with the help

809
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 3: of her mother. She was forced to escape barefoot because

810
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 3: Phil didn't let her have shoes, and she had to

811
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 3: leave behind her kids and all of her possessions. Wow, but, Robert,

812
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 3: do you know who won't force you to have been

813
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 3: your home in the middle of the night, barefoot with

814
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: nothing to your name.

815
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,439
Speaker 2: Well, hopefully not the sponsors of this podcast, because they're

816
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 2: hell I got my home. Yeah, they could give it

817
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 2: and taketh away, I.

818
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 3: Said, and we're back. I'm taking control of this whole situation,

819
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 3: all right. I love it. When we last left our hero,

820
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 3: his wife Ronnie had escaped into the night with no

821
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 3: shoes and fear for her life. She filed for divorce,

822
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 3: and surprisingly Phil walked away completely amicably and gave her

823
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 3: everything that she asked for.

824
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 2: Weirds, okay, okay, okay, for a second, you did.

825
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 3: No, he's a weird enough guy. I don't know. No,

826
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 3: he was an absolute asshole about every single aspect of

827
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 3: the divorce.

828
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 5: Just days after she fled. During a telephone call, Phil.

829
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 3: Informed her that all her clothes were in a trash

830
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 3: can on Los Sienaga Boulevard. Been there. She files for

831
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: custody of Dante but not the twins for obvious reasons,

832
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 3: and cited the dangerous nature of the mansion and Phil's

833
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 3: collection of guns and temper for the reason. At the time,

834
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 3: Phil kept numerous guns around the house and had up

835
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 3: to five guard dogs. As I mentioned, the mansion was

836
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 3: surrounded by tall fans, barbed wires, signs everywhere.

837
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 5: He's super paranoid, obviously, yeah.

838
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Phil retaliated by claiming that Ronnie was unstable.

839
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 3: And what did he use as evidence of her instability?

840
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 3: Why those frequent trips to rehab.

841
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 2: That she Oh my god, and she barely is even

842
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: covered in guns all the time, So she's clearly not

843
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: thinking about those kids' safety.

844
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 3: I've got right now, and I hit one of the kids.

845
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 3: So the court uh orders failed to pay for Rodney's

846
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 3: temporary lodging and provider with support. He wrote a check

847
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 3: for the first month, but the second month he had

848
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 3: three armed guards deliver one two hundred and fifty dollars

849
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 3: payments in nickels to her lawyer's office. What, oh, go

850
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 3: to be a dick, just be aick?

851
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 2: Sure?

852
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, the record twenty five thousand. That's twenty five thousand nickels.

853
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 3: Twenty five thousand nickels, and it weighed two hundred and

854
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 3: seventy five point six pounds. I did the math. He

855
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 3: sucks three petty three armed guards, two of them with shotguns,

856
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 3: to deliver twelve hundred and fifty dollars in nickels.

857
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: Now, look, have I been petty before? Have I, for example,

858
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: been treated badly at a at a at a at

859
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 2: a private gym that I went to and mailed them

860
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: a box that exploded into glitter?

861
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: Sure? Sure?

862
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 2: And I mailed anime shit when I had a bad

863
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 2: experience at a small business that I hated the owner.

864
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: Perhaps would I do this? Well maybe maybe?

865
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, I might actually do this again.

866
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: You know, it's like this sounds pretty fun.

867
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did you that much money?

868
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, But here's the fun.

869
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 3: To me, this is the funniest thing, right right, because

870
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: like I mean, I didn't do the math on what

871
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 3: the quarters or pennies situation was. But he chose Nichols, right,

872
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 3: He could have chosen doves he could have chosen pennies.

873
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 3: Pennies would have been way more. I assumed that he

874
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, well that's a lot of pennies, right,

875
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 3: and he was like maybe too much. And they were like, actually,

876
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 3: if you do that, we're gonna have to have four

877
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: armed guards.

878
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 5: And he was like, that's a waste of money.

879
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 4: Yeah.

880
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 3: At the beginning of August, at the behest of her lawyers,

881
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 3: Ronnie checked herself into psychiatric care and spent several weeks there. Then,

882
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 3: on September fourteenth, her lawyers were called to the Beverly

883
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 3: Clarette Crest Hotel to deal with her in an intoxicated condition,

884
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 3: heavily with the finger quotes here, right, intoxicated condition she was.

885
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 3: She said she drank a lot and she was just

886
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 3: screaming in the lobby.

887
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 8: Right.

888
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. A few days later they're called again when Ronnie

889
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 3: nearly killed herself after passing out with a lit cigarette

890
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 3: and setting the bed on fire. Oh my god, she

891
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 3: drank a full fifth of vodka by herself. Oh, and

892
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 3: then said she was getting a little nap, Yeah, nap

893
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 3: with a cigarette. She was unharmed, fortunately, you know, for

894
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 3: the most part. But she didn't have to go to

895
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 3: the hospital and everything.

896
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: That's good that that did kill a lot of people

897
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 2: back then.

898
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, but obviously she's she's going through this

899
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 3: is this is taking this toll on her for sure.

900
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 2: I note that's part of why they made They changed

901
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 2: how they made both beds and like couches. There's new

902
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 2: fabrics they use on all of those because of how

903
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 2: many people burnt to death smoking and bedding on the couch.

904
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 3: What do you mean, Robert, You mean that all those

905
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 3: spontaneous combustions that just stopped recently might have been a

906
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 3: manufacturer's issue.

907
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 2: The eternal mystery what caused the human combustion?

908
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 3: Smoke?

909
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 5: Smoker smoking?

910
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 2: Is it smoking next to cocktails that were just pure liquor? Yeah?

911
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 5: Weird, crazy how that happens.

912
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, right after this, she tries to fire her

913
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 3: lawyers right and end her divorce proceedings, right, But in

914
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 3: one of the rarest moments of lawyers being amazing people,

915
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 3: they refuse to be fired.

916
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 5: They say, we don't think that you are making sound decisions.

917
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 3: This is not what you want. Our conversations with you

918
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 3: have said that this is not what you want. You

919
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 3: are under mental distress right now, and we want to

920
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 3: make sure that you continue with this, with this divorce proceeding,

921
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 3: because this person is bad for you, and she does

922
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 3: and she she rehires them or whatever the hell they

923
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 3: move on. OK. She your reverse course again continues with

924
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 3: the doors. It takes another eighteen months to finalize the divorce.

925
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 3: She received a twenty five thousand dollars payment in addition

926
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 3: to twenty five hundred dollars a month under the condition

927
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:10,959
Speaker 3: that she never disparaged Phil in public. She also would

928
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 3: Phil would receive control over her master recordings and most

929
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 3: of the publishing leverage, and the ability to limit Ronnie's

930
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 3: access to her own hits.

931
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 2: That's fuck. Fuck, that's fucked. Yeah, I mean it has

932
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 2: been great before, but that's that's really bad.

933
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 3: He takes away her ability to make money, making her

934
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 3: dependent on his money. Yeah, right. And and then also

935
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 3: she has no control, so he can do whatever he wants.

936
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: It kind of robs her too, like not just of

937
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: her money, but of like her future the things probably

938
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 2: well and also just like probably some of the stuff

939
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 2: she's proudest of, like this, this stuff that she made

940
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: that was hugely successful and influential, has no control like

941
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 2: that also has as a creative. That's like a knife

942
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: another knife. Ye, he's got a lot of knives in it.

943
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 5: Absolutely. Yeah.

944
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 3: So he has to send her a check every single month. Uh,

945
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 3: and every single month. Oh, she doesn't get custody of

946
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 3: the children. And he has to send her a check

947
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 3: every month. And every single month he sends her a

948
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 3: check and he writes fuck off on the back. So

949
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 3: so she has to write her name underneath, so it

950
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 3: says fuck off Ronnie Bennett every single time. She this man,

951
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 3: this man could yeah.

952
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 2: Like fucking smallest man in the world I have I

953
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: have never ever heard of this, this level of pettiness

954
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 2: in a relation.

955
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 5: Super petty, super petty. But Ronnie's free, you know.

956
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 3: And she she looks back on this, you know, it's

957
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 3: like she uh, she says, she escaped their divorce and

958
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 3: she was happy to escape it with her life like

959
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 3: she was.

960
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 5: She was happy to be done.

961
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. So shortly after the divorce, Specter was brought in

962
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 3: again to work with John Lennon. Things had been extremely

963
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 3: rough for John Lennon in the years following the Beatles breakup.

964
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 3: He's fighting the government for his right to stay in America.

965
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 3: He's fighting his bandmates he's fighting his wife for money.

966
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 3: Like there's everybody is fighting for his money, right. Yeah.

967
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 3: In one of the strangest situations ever, Yoko sense that

968
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 3: John was working towards cheating on her, and rather than

969
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 3: lose him completely, she opted to pawn him off on

970
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 3: one of her friends. Make any of this, Yes, So

971
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 3: it's basically a sanctioned affair, right, It's like, you're gonna

972
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 3: do this anyways, let's just may will you just like

973
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 3: be his little fling for a while or whatever. He's

974
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 3: he's living outside of his means, but he convinced the

975
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 3: label to give him ten thousand dollars to record an

976
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 3: album of standards, and he enlists Phil to produce. Okay,

977
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 3: so he when he worked with John previously, he's on

978
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 3: their turf and he's and he's got to do their

979
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 3: things right. But now they're in Los Angeles and he's

980
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 3: he's doing his thing right. So he brings in his

981
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 3: favorite musicians, including the sons of his idol, Barney Kessel.

982
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 3: Remember Barney Kessel, His mom embarrassed him in front of Yeah,

983
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 3: he brings in his kids, right, they come in and

984
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 3: play on this record.

985
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 5: We're gonna talk about them in a minute.

986
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 3: Uh. He developed a joy for animal night trates. Robert,

987
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 3: you're a big fan of mamel.

988
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, who doesn't love a good animal night trade?

989
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 3: Every now and.

990
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 2: Again and again and again.

991
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 3: May May Pang remembers that he just smelled like old

992
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 3: socks all the time.

993
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 2: Is it because he's hoffing out of socks?

994
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 3: No, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know,

995
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 3: but she just doesn't smell the old socks or or

996
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 3: VCR cleaner. I guess, I don't know. Anyway, he'd show

997
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 3: up wearing a holster right with a gun in it.

998
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 3: He'd show up and he danced around with his guns off. Flip.

999
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 3: He's thirty five at this point, right, Yeah, it's like

1000
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 3: he's he's a he's a grown ass man. He's a

1001
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 3: grown man. Yeah. Uh. John he John would drink vodka

1002
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 3: straight from the bottle and uh because he's depressed. And

1003
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 3: Phil would drink this wine called Manischevitz, which is basically like, yeah,

1004
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 3: it's like a Jewish ceremony wine.

1005
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: Right, you can get it in most grocery stores. I

1006
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 2: don't recommend it. It doesn't taste good.

1007
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 3: Nobody says that it tastes good. I've never had it

1008
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 3: and I was gonna just get a bottle of him

1009
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,919
Speaker 3: in the episode, but you know what, I'll just drink

1010
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 3: whiskey instead. We'll play everybody's favorite game.

1011
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 2: It's that expensive, but it's not good. It's grape It

1012
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 2: tastes like grape juice with alcohol in it.

1013
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 3: But also the grape juice is bad, right right, yeah, yeah,

1014
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 3: so really shitty wine. They'd explode into arguments about the

1015
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 3: direction of the music, and things were often hectic. One night,

1016
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 3: Elton John comes by and he's hanging out for like

1017
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 3: a little bit, and he's like, I gotta go, and

1018
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 3: he leaves and he tells the guy that brought and

1019
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 3: he's like, what the fuck was going on? They're like yeah,

1020
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 3: they're just like that.

1021
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 5: Theyre just and he's like, I'm so glad we left,

1022
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 5: Like this sucks.

1023
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Phil would. Because they're arguing all the time. Phil

1024
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 3: started dressing in ridiculous outfits. He'd show up dressed like

1025
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 3: a captain or dressed like a you know, like a pirate,

1026
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 3: or like crazy like just random outfits all the time.

1027
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 3: He show up dressed like a waiter or something, you know,

1028
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 3: just look ridiculous. But then eventually they get drunk and

1029
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 3: then they fight. One night, Chuck Berry comes by Phil's

1030
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 3: house to meet with John, and John's a big fan

1031
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 3: of Chuck Berry, like a lot of the Beatles music

1032
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 3: came because of Chuck Berry. Yeah, yeah, obviously. And then

1033
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 3: Phil Phil is just in the other room playing music

1034
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 3: so loudly that no one can hear anything, and so

1035
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 3: Chuck just gets mad and leaves. Yeah, which, by the way, uh,

1036
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 3: presumably so that he could go watch Pepe tapes or

1037
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 3: traffic an underage girl across state lines.

1038
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 5: Because he's a Jerry Berry is he's he was a founder.

1039
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 3: Of rock and roll other than you know, big Mama

1040
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 3: Thwarton and you know, to found rock and roll.

1041
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 2: He found a lot of the bad things rock and

1042
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: roll musicians did.

1043
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is. One of the reasons why the Man

1044
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 3: Act was so successful was because he actually was trafficking

1045
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 3: a fourteen year old girl across state lines for purposes

1046
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 3: and he got convicted, which is crazy.

1047
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,720
Speaker 5: Yes, he sentenced to three years in prison four said crime.

1048
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 2: He was a black man, so he got convicted as

1049
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 2: opposed to being a president.

1050
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yeah, absolutely, as things go, as.

1051
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 3: Things tend to go. So Phil would always play games

1052
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 3: with John's mental you know, fragile mental state and everything.

1053
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 5: He'd call him or.

1054
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 3: John would call him when he was supposed to be

1055
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 3: at the studio and he'd be like, yeah, I'm on

1056
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 3: my way, and then he just wouldn't show up, you know,

1057
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 3: and John's like wasting money on this studio shit, which,

1058
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 3: by the way, we find out later that Phil has

1059
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 3: been kind of grifting the whole the whole thing.

1060
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 5: He's paying for the.

1061
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 3: Sessions himself so that he can maintain control of things

1062
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 3: and so that he can bill John's label.

1063
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 5: It's a whole thing. We'll get to it in a second.

1064
00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 3: But so one night John gets blasted, right, he gets

1065
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 3: ship faced, and him and another guy is by his

1066
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 3: bodyguard take him to lou Adler's house where John was staying,

1067
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 3: and they tied him to the bed and John thinks

1068
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 3: they're gonna rape him. He thinks they're gonna sexually assault him,

1069
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 3: and he freaks out, like he loses, heill gets a

1070
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 3: black eye, like it's they they fight, they physically fight,

1071
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 3: like I don't know, John was obviously very very drunk,

1072
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 3: like they don't. It's not it's not insinuated that that

1073
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 3: was actually that a sexual assault was actually going to happen,

1074
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 3: but for whatever reason, John thinks that that's what's gonna happen,

1075
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 3: and he freaks out and they they they tie him

1076
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 3: to the bed and oh.

1077
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and then he eventually like gets out or whatever.

1078
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 3: But they leave and uh and Phil as to wear

1079
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 3: makeup on his bruised eye for a couple of days

1080
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 3: and stuff. Jesus. The sessions are so crazy that A

1081
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 3: and M Studios evicts them from the studio. There like

1082
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 3: Phil's wave and a gun around during session. This is

1083
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 3: too too much shit, right.

1084
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 2: We don't think our insurance covers whatever you're doing.

1085
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 3: Yes, right, And so they kick them out and they

1086
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 3: head over to Record Plan, which is especially hilarious if

1087
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 3: you know the Record Plan is this famous Hollywood studio.

1088
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 3: There's a lot of Record Plants around the world, but

1089
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 3: the Record Plan in Hollywood is kind of a famous

1090
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 3: Hollywood studio, especially currently it just shut down like a

1091
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 3: year ago, but prior to that it was like the

1092
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 3: Party Studio. It was the Arizona State University of Studios.

1093
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 3: So the fact that they got kicked out of A

1094
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 3: and M, which is now owned by John Mayer and

1095
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 3: called Chaplin Studios or something like that, which is a

1096
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 3: very professional, fancy studio to go to Record Plant that's

1097
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 3: basically like.

1098
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, we let people party.

1099
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 3: This is where at record Plant, Phil fires his gun

1100
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 3: into the ceiling of the studio. So Record Plan's like, yeah,

1101
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 3: we'll have you. I'm like first night. He's like, what

1102
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 3: is the context?

1103
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 2: Is he trying to emphasize a point? Is it using

1104
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: it like a punctuation mark?

1105
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 3: Is it just an accident? So he gets into an

1106
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 3: argument of some type with Mal Evans, who is a

1107
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 3: famous uh like kind of Fifth Beatles situation. He's he's

1108
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 3: like their roadie, he's their fixer, he does everything. He's

1109
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 3: hanging out with John Lennon and he is very trusted

1110
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 3: by the right and uh, and he gets into an

1111
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 3: argument with Phil presumably about like hey, man, stop doing

1112
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 3: some dumb shit or whatever, and.

1113
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 2: Man, did you unless John Lennon something like that.

1114
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 3: Phil has like a measure of anger, pulls his gun

1115
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 3: out and he says accidentally fires his gun into the studio.

1116
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 5: Which says something right, yeah.

1117
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 3: John turns to him like and he's like, Phil, if

1118
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 3: you're gonna shoot me, shoot me, but don't fuck with me.

1119
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 5: Is He's like, I need them.

1120
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what a great response. Honestly, you're gonna

1121
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 3: shoot me, shoot me, but like, I need my ears, bro,

1122
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 3: don't shoot guns beside my head, Dick. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

1123
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 3: I gotta give it to him. That's pretty cool. Everybody

1124
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,959
Speaker 3: thinks Phil is just shooting blanks in these guns, right, Nope.

1125
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 3: But the next day, mal Evin shows up to John

1126
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 3: Lennon's house with the bullet from the cilly. He's like,

1127
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 3: here's the bullet from last night, and John's like, what bullet.

1128
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 3: He's like, the bullet that he fired into the ceiling.

1129
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 3: He's like, he's got bullets in that thing. It's a

1130
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 3: real gun. Yes, it's a real gun. Right. So, shortly

1131
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 3: after that incident, John returns to New York City and

1132
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 3: one night he receives a phone call from Phil claiming

1133
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 3: that the studio had burnt down and they lost everything.

1134
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 5: So John's like, whoa, what what was going on? He

1135
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,439
Speaker 5: calls the studio and they're like, I don't know fire.

1136
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 3: What are you talking about?

1137
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 5: Man, there's no fire here?

1138
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 3: Uh? And then so he's like what the fuck is

1139
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 3: going on? And then a week later, Phil calls again,

1140
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 3: this time ranting about helicopters surrounding the house. Right. He's like, Okay,

1141
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 3: there's a helicopter surrounding the house, right, And he says,

1142
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 3: but I don't worry, I got the tapes. I got

1143
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 3: the tapes, right, And so John eventually discovers basically Philip

1144
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 3: paid for the entire session, which means in the recording world,

1145
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 3: if you pay for it, you own the tapes. The

1146
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 3: tapes are released to the person who pays for them.

1147
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 6: Right.

1148
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 3: Okay, you own all of John Lennon's work if you

1149
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 3: own those tapes, right. And so they get a bill

1150
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 3: from Phil's label for ninety thousand dollars, right, god, and

1151
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 3: they're like, what the fuck. Apparently he's like he's he's

1152
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 3: paying for all the sessions. And then he's doing the

1153
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 3: old classic rebuill it like like one hundred and seventy

1154
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 3: percent of the cost of whatever it is type.

1155
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,919
Speaker 2: Thing, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

1156
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 3: So when Bob Mercer of EMI Capital went to Phil's

1157
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 3: Sunset office to retrieve the tapes, Phil chased him down

1158
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 3: a flight of stairs with an axe.

1159
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 2: He's back against.

1160
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 3: The album wasn't released until nineteen seventy five, with only

1161
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 3: five tracks produced by Spector and another eight that John

1162
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 3: recorded without him, so obviously a mess.

1163
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 5: So I mentioned before Barney Kessel's two sons, Dan and David.

1164
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 3: They start hanging out with Phil during the Lenin sessions,

1165
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 3: and this is the first time that they come to

1166
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 3: his house. And the first time they come to his house,

1167
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 3: he greeted them wearing a thirty eight, and he asked

1168
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 3: him if they like guns. Of course yes, they said.

1169
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 5: Yes, of course, because you know who doesn't.

1170
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 3: And he takes him into the backyard in Hollywood, remember,

1171
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 3: and they spend a few hours shooting at old records.

1172
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 3: They idolize him. They love this dude, like they think

1173
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 3: he is the epitome of the rock star mentality. Right,

1174
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 3: And to be a fair you know, he's like in

1175
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 3: his thirties, he's shooting guns, he's partying with John Lennon,

1176
01:03:58,600 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 3: like he is kind of a.

1177
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 2: Get with all sorts of crimes.

1178
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 3: Sure, he's kind of a rock star, right, definitely.

1179
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1180
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 3: He he starts treating him like his kids, right, which

1181
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 3: is fucked because he has kids and he is currently

1182
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 3: locking them in their rooms and they're under the the

1183
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 3: they're under the supervision of a governess who doesn't let

1184
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 3: them do shit right. Meanwhile, he take the Kessels to

1185
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 3: Muhammad ah Li fights and even took them to Vegas

1186
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 3: to see Elvis and brought them backstage after the show

1187
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 3: to hang out, which is super fun because he just

1188
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 3: didn't take Ronnie back to the peace right right, not

1189
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 3: his wife. Of course, in their eyes, Phil can do

1190
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 3: no wrong. They love him, dude. They to this day

1191
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 3: they always like, hey, Phil is the best, right, you know,

1192
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a legend at this point. You know,

1193
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 3: he's a legitimate legend. So he's veering out of control

1194
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 3: with his drink and his relationships. At one point, this

1195
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 3: writer Roy carr Is brought to la from from London

1196
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 3: with the task of writing a book about him. One night,

1197
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 3: in between telling fantastical stories like Bruce Lee was my

1198
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 3: bodyguard once and how he had worked as an undercover

1199
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 3: agent in Paris, sure Specter announced that he needed to

1200
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 3: pee and he gets up and walks out, only to

1201
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 3: come back wearing no shirt and a revolver in his

1202
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 3: waistband and playing the accordion.

1203
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 2: So one that we've learned about him is that no

1204
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 2: matter what he is or isn't wearing, he will have

1205
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 2: a gun.

1206
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 3: On him.

1207
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 2: He's got a gun on him, always.

1208
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 3: Got a gun on him. And he's always doing something wild.

1209
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 2: He said Frank from Always Sonny.

1210
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, very much. Picture him as skinny Frank. A

1211
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 3: very little man with a gun.

1212
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 5: He's always little man with always So I started blasting him.

1213
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 2: I'm just ready to shoot.

1214
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,479
Speaker 3: So so Car says he couldn't tell what was factor

1215
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 3: fiction when it came to Phil, but he does know that,

1216
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 3: like without a doubt, Phil has intense loneliness issues, like

1217
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 3: he would get on anytime Carr would prepare to leave,

1218
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 3: like he'd be working all day taking notes, and he'd

1219
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 3: be okay, all right, well, time to go, and and no, no, no,

1220
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 3: stay for a little bit longa he don't leave, don't leave.

1221
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 3: So he believes that Phil is even following him around town.

1222
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 3: One night, Phil's assistant was sent to pick him up

1223
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 3: and they get in the car and she looks in

1224
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 3: the rearview mirror and she sees Phil and the Kessel

1225
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 3: brothers in a Cadillac with shotguns and they just chase them,

1226
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 3: chase them all over Hollywood until they escape, right and

1227
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 3: then and then they just there's no explanation given for

1228
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 3: why they did this. Like the next day, They're like, Phil,

1229
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 3: why did you guys chase this around shotguns last year?

1230
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 5: And He's just like, what are you talking about?

1231
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:34,919
Speaker 3: What do you mean? I didn't do that. I didn't

1232
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 3: do that. Like me, I always have a little gun.

1233
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 3: Another time, Phil picks up car and the Kessel boys

1234
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 3: with some mysterious people in the car and they fill

1235
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 3: the car with pump shotguns and rifles, and then they

1236
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 3: go to this Cantonese restaurant where they ate dinner by themselves,

1237
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 3: all roped off in this little section, and then after

1238
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 3: dinner they just go back to Phil's house and Phil

1239
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 3: shot at a tree with a pistol for like an hour, right.

1240
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 2: H yeah, okay sure.

1241
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 3: So he just sounds like Phil just he's just living Levina,

1242
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 3: look bro bullets with him.

1243
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 5: Yes, he absolutely did.

1244
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 3: When Carr returns to England, Phil tries to give him

1245
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 3: a pistol and he's like, I can't take a pistol

1246
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 3: through customs every country?

1247
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 8: Does it?

1248
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 3: Just let you take guns there? Phil? So funny. In

1249
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy four, Phil is brought in to produce for Share.

1250
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 3: You know, Share is in his life, but Share is

1251
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 3: no longer with Sonny Bono now she's with David Geffen,

1252
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 3: and David Geffen had become her manager as well as

1253
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 3: like her label head, as well as her boyfriend, as

1254
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 3: well as like every he's everywhere, right, does he like

1255
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 3: even have any connection to the music industry or no?

1256
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 3: Uh David Geffen? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean but here's so,

1257
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 3: here's the thing. Phil hates him because he's like he's

1258
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 3: a kind of a NEPO baby in the situation, Like

1259
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 3: he doesn't know music. He doesn't he's not a musician.

1260
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 3: He didn't come up that way. He came up through

1261
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 3: like the business side of the industry. And he gets lucky,

1262
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 3: starts dating Share, basically becomes her manager, becomes a label head,

1263
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 3: starts getting all these positions of like authority and shit,

1264
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 3: and Phil hates him. Phil despises him right, and one

1265
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 3: night David Geffen tells Phil, hey man, maybe you should

1266
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 3: try this with with SHARE's song, and Phil punched him

1267
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 3: in the face and told him to get out of here,

1268
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 3: you fucking f slur. Great, Okay, Share is like, Phil,

1269
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 3: what are you doing? Chill the fuck out? And Phil does, right,

1270
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 3: and then just go back to work, right, And that's

1271
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 3: like the type of way Phil is he'll just haul

1272
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:43,759
Speaker 3: off and punch somebody in the face in the studio,

1273
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 3: call him a slur, and then get right back to work,

1274
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 3: you know, all in a day's work, you know, yeah work.

1275
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 2: Look, he puts his gun on, one gun at a time,

1276
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 2: the same that you dial.

1277
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, same as all of us. Phil dated after Ronnie left.

1278
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,679
Speaker 3: One of those women is a woman named Devora Robati.

1279
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 3: She starts as his assistant, then becomes his lover. Right.

1280
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 3: She was married when she starts working with him, but

1281
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 3: Phil's crazy hours and like constantly having to like answer

1282
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 3: ruins her marriage. And then one night after after their

1283
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 3: you know, uh kind of flirting office flirtation or whatever,

1284
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 3: Phil walks into her car gives her a kiss, and

1285
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 3: now you know, now they're dating her, but he's always

1286
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 3: mistreating her. He'd be super sweet and loving and then

1287
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 3: all of a sudden begins screaming and calling her name.

1288
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 3: One night, during an argument at dinner, he dumps a

1289
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 3: bowl of noodles on her head. So they go through

1290
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 3: this cycle where it's like, yeah, he's just a shit noodles.

1291
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 3: They're at dinner and he's just like yeah, yeah, and

1292
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 3: so she so he get mad.

1293
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 5: Jokes uck. She'd get mad and quit, and then.

1294
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 3: He'd send her like a dozen roses and she'd you know,

1295
01:09:58,080 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 3: forgive him and come back. And it just keeps kind

1296
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 3: of doing this. Right, It's this like constant like revolving

1297
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 3: door of Phil Spector where he does something shitty and

1298
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:10,719
Speaker 3: then he gets super mad and they have a big argument,

1299
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 3: and then he apologizes the next day or makes no

1300
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 3: mention of it whatsoever. Like sometimes she'd like, he'd do

1301
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 3: horrible things and then just the next day he'd be like,

1302
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 3: what are you talking about. I didn't do that. Yeah,

1303
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 3: ladies take back shitty little men. Yeah. Yeah. One night,

1304
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 3: tempers flared and he grabbed a shotgun and put it

1305
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 3: to her temple, telling her he would kill her if

1306
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 3: she left. She calmed him by telling him he's being

1307
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:36,600
Speaker 3: silly and that he should open the door and let

1308
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 3: her leave.

1309
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 5: But as soon as he does calm down, she bolts.

1310
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 3: Out of there. Right. But she does say she never

1311
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 3: thought Phil would actually kill her, but she did think

1312
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 3: he might by accident.

1313
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, much better.

1314
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1315
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 3: In November of nineteen seventy five, a parking attendant claimed

1316
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 3: that Phil pulled a gun on him and told him

1317
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 3: to get the fuck away from me before driving away.

1318
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 3: He pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor brandishing a firearm and

1319
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 3: two years of probation provided he not own any more firearms. Robert,

1320
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 3: can you guess who kept owning firearms?

1321
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess it's Phil Spector, and I want to

1322
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 2: work remind everybody we talk about him carrying a gun everywhere.

1323
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 2: In this period of time, there weren't really concealed carry

1324
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 2: laws in most places. Like there were some ways if

1325
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 2: you were like a bodyguard for the ways people could

1326
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 2: legally carry concealed guns and cities and stuff, but it

1327
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 2: wasn't like it is today. My point is that Phil

1328
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 2: was committing a felony basically every time he walked out

1329
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 2: the door.

1330
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 3: Yes, from this day on, he is absolutely commanding a

1331
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 3: felony because he's not supposed to be carrying any more guns,

1332
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 3: supposed to have any of them.

1333
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 5: He's not supposed to have any guns. Yeah, so Phil Specter.

1334
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 3: Then in the mid nineteen seventies he starts working with

1335
01:11:56,200 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 3: Leonard Cohen, right, and this is crazy for everybody in

1336
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 3: the world, right, Yeah, this is like, this is like, uh,

1337
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 3: what's the what's the Jesse Wells, the little folk kid

1338
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 3: that sings in the field. This is like him working

1339
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 3: with Max Martin, right, It's like it's like it's you know,

1340
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 3: it's like what why.

1341
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 5: Would he be with like a pop producer. This doesn't

1342
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 5: make any sense.

1343
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, So everybody's like already thinks it's kind of strange, right,

1344
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 3: But but Spector thinks like, hey, maybe this will be

1345
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 3: like a really crazy inspired thing. So they make the

1346
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy seven album Death of a Ladies Man. The

1347
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 3: sessions quickly deteriorated into chaos, fueled by Specter's alcohol abuse,

1348
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:40,719
Speaker 3: erratic behavior, and obsession with dominance inside the studio. Cohen

1349
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 3: later described Specter as volatile and deeply intimidating, recounting an

1350
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 3: incident in which Specter allegedly pressed a loaded gun against

1351
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,680
Speaker 3: Cohen's head during a recording session and declared, Leonard, I

1352
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 3: love you.

1353
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 5: Cohen responded, I hope you do.

1354
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 3: All these rock stars have the coolest responses to Phil

1355
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 3: Spector putting a gun.

1356
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 2: To their head funny, yeah, I And honestly, of all

1357
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 2: the rock stars I expected to be cool with a

1358
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:13,679
Speaker 2: pistol pointed at their fucking skull. List of the list, Yeah, yeah.

1359
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. In another incident, Spector pulled a gun on the

1360
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 3: violin player Bobby Bruce. Uh, which, by the way, the

1361
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:26,959
Speaker 3: violin player like, yeah, I pulled I pulled.

1362
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 5: A gun on the guy. Yeah I was.

1363
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 3: I was pulling a gun on.

1364
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 5: A daycare teacher.

1365
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 3: Man. Like you're like the most innocent person you can find.

1366
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 3: It's like, there's extra bad that you're this guy went

1367
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:39,719
Speaker 3: to school man.

1368
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 2: It's like a gang enhancement thing on your sentence saying well, no,

1369
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 2: you pulled a gun on a violinist.

1370
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 3: That's an extra five years.

1371
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, absolutely so.

1372
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 3: Uh. Spector took control of the final mixes and didn't

1373
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 3: even allow Leonard Cohen to hear them. He didn't allow

1374
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 3: him to be present.

1375
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 4: He uh.

1376
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 3: He layers all of his sounds into it and over

1377
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 3: Cohen's stripped down songwriting, which is what he is known for,

1378
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 3: and they made a record that Cohen doesn't even stand

1379
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 3: on himself. He doesn't think that that it's very good.

1380
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 3: But Coen said of this of his time with Phil

1381
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:18,440
Speaker 3: quote in that state he found himself, which was post wagonarian,

1382
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 3: I would say hit Lariyan.

1383
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 5: The atmosphere was one of guns. I mean, that's really

1384
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 5: what was going on?

1385
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 3: Guns? The music was subsidiary an enterprise. People were armed

1386
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 3: to the teeth and everybody was drunk or intoxicated on

1387
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 3: other items. So you were slipping over bullets and biting

1388
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 3: into revolvers in your hamburger. There were guns everywhere.

1389
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 2: Right, That's one of those things where I have to

1390
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 2: assume that's like a joke for flavor, but also.

1391
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:53,440
Speaker 3: A hamburger.

1392
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 5: Somebody was like, hey, hey.

1393
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 2: Revolvers and some big hamburgers.

1394
01:14:58,960 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 5: Hey, hey, Leonard, I I.

1395
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 3: Got you a hamburger? Oh cool, thanks man? What what

1396
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 3: what is going on here? When it was released in

1397
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy eight, it was critically panned. Everybody hated it.

1398
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 3: Spector claimed, and this is one thing I love about

1399
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 3: Phil Spector is anytime you ship talk Phil Spector, he

1400
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 3: will ship talk back and say like, yeah, I got

1401
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 3: I got hate mail from all eight of your fans.

1402
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,600
Speaker 3: It's just so so disrespectful. Yeah oh yeah, yeah, you

1403
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 3: guys really love it, all eight of them.

1404
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.

1405
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 3: So well, he's cultivating this brilliant and eccentric producer. His

1406
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 3: in his family home is is horrible. He treats his

1407
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 3: kids horrible. Uh he uh oh real quick. When I

1408
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:50,719
Speaker 3: was mentioning the Barney Kessel kids, Dan and Dan and David,

1409
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 3: how old did you get the sense that they were

1410
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 3: you know, they're hanging out.

1411
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 5: They're driving around shooting shotguns out of cat like.

1412
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:05,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, late teens, early twenties, eleven and thirteen. Oh no,

1413
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 3: why is he hanging out? When I was reading this,

1414
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 3: I was like, this is wild man, Like, this is crazy.

1415
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 5: Like he's hanging out with these like teenagers.

1416
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 3: I got them like same thing, like seventeen eighteen, something

1417
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:21,879
Speaker 3: like that, maybe even early twenties. The way they're referencing

1418
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 3: the things that they're doing, the drive around, shooting guns,

1419
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 3: they're going they're.

1420
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 5: Hanging out together, right Yeah?

1421
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:29,679
Speaker 3: No, I looked it up and his kids were born

1422
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 3: in like in like the late sixties and they were

1423
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:36,879
Speaker 3: like eleven and twelve years old. That's go crazy. Meanwhile,

1424
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 3: he's treating his own kids horribly. They have the Governess

1425
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:43,600
Speaker 3: is always on them. They don't they're not allowed to

1426
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 3: do anything. Uh, And he's very rarely involved in any

1427
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 3: actual parenting except for when he is forcing them to

1428
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 3: simulate sexual acts on women so that they learn.

1429
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 5: How to be men.

1430
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 3: Yike, one of those kinds huh, yikes. He's doing the

1431
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 3: classic like no, get over there and do it, brings

1432
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 3: a girl home from the strip or whatever, and it's

1433
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 3: like lay down and like takes control of the whole thing,

1434
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 3: and like is making them simulate. They all report having

1435
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 3: gone through this.

1436
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 2: And is that I wonder is that more out of

1437
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,560
Speaker 2: like a him wanting power, him getting off on it,

1438
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 2: or just him being such a narcissist that like, if

1439
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 2: my kids are bad at sex, it reflects badly on me.

1440
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna make goddamn sure they know what they're doing,

1441
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 3: you know. Very fairly. His kids kind of stayed out

1442
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 3: of the line, and they don't talk about a lot

1443
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 3: of this stuff. And I did see a few interviews

1444
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 3: with them, like they resurface in later years, and one

1445
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 3: of them tries to write like a book, I think,

1446
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 3: but it never gets off the ground. But it basically

1447
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:53,640
Speaker 3: whenever like the dirt comes out, it's He's horrible to them.

1448
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:55,719
Speaker 3: He treats them the same way as he treated Ronnie's

1449
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 3: threatening them all the time, He's making them do crazy stuff.

1450
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 3: They all developed lifelong issues with trust, identity, and emotional stability.

1451
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 3: It's just it's not there's no guidance. It's all performance

1452
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 3: and it's all possession.

1453
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 6: Right.

1454
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 3: When John Lennon was murdered in cold blood in front

1455
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 3: of the Dakota Building in New York City on December eighth,

1456
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty, Phil was once again thrown into a world

1457
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 3: of depression. But this time he took it as a sign.

1458
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 3: He always said that John moved too easy, John was

1459
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,640
Speaker 3: too careless with how he acted, and it would be

1460
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 3: his downfall one day, and this just reaffirms it for him,

1461
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 3: like he's going to get killed if he doesn't travel

1462
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 3: with bodyguards and guns and all that stuff. So right,

1463
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 3: by the nineteen eighties, he starts withdrawing from public life.

1464
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 3: He moves out of his Hollywood mansion and bought a

1465
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 3: house in the suburb of Alhambra he dubbed the Pyrenees Castle. Okay,

1466
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 3: it's a huge French style mansion. Is enormous, Like it's

1467
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 3: out in Alhambra, you know, it's out of the city

1468
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 3: of Los Angeles. He he you know, as was his style.

1469
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 3: He surrounds himself with guard dogs and armed guards and

1470
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 3: fills the house with guns, guns that he's not allowed

1471
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 3: to have legal guns. Sure, so for a brief period

1472
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 3: specter attempted sobriety and acquaintance describe him as calmer and

1473
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 3: more reflective. The stability, though, is temporary. He every time

1474
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 3: he relaps, he gets crazy again. And I think a

1475
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 3: large part of this stability was due to his relationship

1476
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 3: with Janie Savala. Phil first met her in the sixties

1477
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 3: when she was a teenager and eventually hired her to

1478
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,560
Speaker 3: work for his label after his split with Ronnie. He

1479
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 3: would date her on and off again for the next

1480
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 3: like fifteen twenty years, and eventually he would give birth.

1481
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 3: He would She would give birth to two twins, Nicole

1482
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 3: and Phillip Junior, and contrary to his relationships with his

1483
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 3: other kids, who.

1484
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:57,919
Speaker 5: Are now adults at this point, Phil treated him wonderfully.

1485
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 3: His daughter Nicole says that you know, he was a

1486
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 3: doting father, that he loves spending time with him, that

1487
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 3: he was always around for his kids. But in nineteen

1488
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 3: ninety one, this is now well removed from his music career.

1489
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 3: In the In the late fifties, early sixties and into

1490
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 3: the seventies, Philip Junior dies from leukemia and Phil phil

1491
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 3: goes back into deep depression insanity. Yeah, well, of course,

1492
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 3: Nicole remains devoted to her father throughout the rest of

1493
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 3: her life, always claiming that he was her hero. He

1494
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 3: never raised her voice to her, she says he was amazing. Yeah.

1495
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 3: Phil rarely grants any interviews. He remains a recluse, rarely

1496
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 3: leaving the house and never without a bodyguard. He hired

1497
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 3: Hal Blaine, who's the drummer from the wrecking crew that

1498
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 3: he had employed. He hired his daughter to be his

1499
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 3: day to day you know, manager or whatever, and was

1500
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:52,240
Speaker 3: generally pretty kind to her. And everything set for Phil

1501
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:54,679
Speaker 3: to just ride off into the sunset and be forgotten

1502
01:20:54,800 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 3: as as nobody's right, until Mick Brown shows up in

1503
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 3: his life. Mick Brown is the author of the book

1504
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 3: that I was describing that I got the primary source

1505
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 3: from all of this. Mick Brown's book is one of

1506
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Speaker 3: the most authoritive biographies on Phil Spector. It is brilliant,

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01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:17,879
Speaker 3: it has everything. It's a very good book. I highly recommend.

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01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 3: He's the primary source of my research, and he's probably

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01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 3: one of them besides me, probably one of the most

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01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 3: knowledgeable people on Phil Spector in the world. And he

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01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 3: managed to get an interview with Spector in December of

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01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 3: two thousand and two. He recorded the entire interview on tapes,

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01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:34,600
Speaker 3: and they painted a picture of a deeply troubled and

1514
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 3: eccentric man who was likely suffering from mental illness. His

1515
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 3: article was titled the Mad Genius of Phil Spector and

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01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 3: questioning whether the madness was part of the genius or

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01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 3: just something that had gone unchecked because of his genius.

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01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 3: It was a deeply intelligent and honest look at Phil's life,

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01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 3: which angered Phil. He broke what many said was a

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01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 3: decade of sobriety and began drinking and acting erradically again.

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01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 3: On February second, two thousand and three, just a week

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01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 3: two weeks after the article came out, Phil Spector began

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01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 3: his evening at dantanna As, a long standing Hollywood restaurant

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01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 3: and bar known for attracting entertainment industry regulars. He took

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01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:15,799
Speaker 3: a high school friend out for dinner and began drinking

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01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 3: heavily before taking her home and then returning to Dantanna's

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01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 3: and starting to drink with his waitress from the night.

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01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,560
Speaker 3: Oh boy, he was heavily intoxicated by the time he

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01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:26,679
Speaker 3: left for the House of Blues.

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01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 2: When you when you leave with your friend and then

1531
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 2: come back to keep drinking with the waitress. That's that's

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01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 2: that implies a level of drunk that is.

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01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if but if you're gonna do it, hit

1534
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:43,680
Speaker 3: the Troubadoor for a little bit. Yeah, it's a good

1535
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 3: night baby.

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Speaker 8: So uh.

1537
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 3: It was then that he would begin his fateful interaction

1538
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 3: with the hostess of the Foundation Room in the House

1539
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 3: of Blues, Lana Clarkson. And this is the end of

1540
01:22:56,600 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 3: this episode. We we are about to get in to

1541
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 3: one of the most storied and important nights in musical history.

1542
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 3: But for now, we are gonna plug our plugables, which

1543
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 3: I have a podcast. It's about music stuff. It's the

1544
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 3: most poorly produced podcast in the entire world. We need

1545
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 3: a Sophie so bad, like we would crush with a Sophie,

1546
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:24,600
Speaker 3: but we are incapable of doing things ourselves, so we

1547
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 3: just forget to do it. But I do have a podcast,

1548
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 3: it's called that Sounds About right. I have a recording

1549
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 3: course that teaches you the principles recording. And I have

1550
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 3: a label And by the time this song comes out,

1551
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 3: our very first artist on the label, we'll release her single,

1552
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 3: So please check that shit out. Her name is Violet

1553
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 3: Lux de Link will be in my bio, greasy will

1554
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 3: on Instagram, It'll be all over the place. But I

1555
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 3: am a rebel of the music industry and I need

1556
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:51,759
Speaker 3: your support, so love and care for me. And also

1557
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 3: you are on all sorts of the internets as I write, okay,

1558
01:23:56,520 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 3: and you also sell merch at places some probably we're both.

1559
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 3: We're both googleble just be an adult and use Google

1560
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,799
Speaker 3: man get those. Do you know what I think is interesting?

1561
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 3: Everybody keeps discussing about how uh you know, chatch ept

1562
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 3: uses like a tablespoon or a teaspoon of water every

1563
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 3: time you search. Nobody is mentioning that Google is automatically

1564
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 3: using AI to search your answers. So Googling now is

1565
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 3: also using that same amount of water. Let's be mad

1566
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 3: about everything.

1567
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 2: Type in minus AI with your Google searches and it'll

1568
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 2: cut that part of it out. I don't know if

1569
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 2: it actually reduces the energy usage, but at least you

1570
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:38,640
Speaker 2: don't have to see the summary.

1571
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 3: And keep your yeah, and it knows everything you're doing.

1572
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 2: So that's why I say, that's right, that's right. I

1573
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 2: still use Netscape Navigator. It does not work.

1574
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 3: Well, That's what I'm relying on is my technology being

1575
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 3: too outdated to spy on me. That's right, the secret

1576
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:03,600
Speaker 3: old Mozilla fires the end of the This is the

1577
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:07,839
Speaker 3: end of the episode. Guys, We're Doug. Goodbye.

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01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,599
Speaker 2: Behind the Bastards is a production of cool Zone Media.

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01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,960
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1584
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:29,479
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1585
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:30,719
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1586
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