1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's Jonathan. Before we get to today's episode, 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: some of you may have already guessed at this, or 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: you may follow Twitter or Facebook and have seen the 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: announcement we are going to scale back Tech Stuff to 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: once a week. We're just publishing once a week for 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: a few months at least. This is because we've got 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff going on here at how Stuff works, 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: and honestly, in order for it to all the work, 9 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: we had to scale back in certain places. So we're 10 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: going to just do an episode a week. It will 11 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: still be every week. I'm still gonna be working on 12 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: this show. When the time has come to the point 13 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: where we're able to go back to two a week, 14 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: we will, So this is just temporary, nothing to panic about. 15 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: I still love the show, is still going to be 16 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: doing the show, but want you guys to be aware 17 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: of it. So if you are looking for new episodes 18 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: of Tech Stuff, they should be going up from this 19 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: point forward every Wednesday. So thank you guys so much 20 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: for listening, and now on to today's episode, Get in 21 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: Tech Technology with Tech Stuff from Stuff Tacon. Hey there, everyone, 22 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: welcome to Tech Stuff. I am your host. Jonathan Strickland 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: is today, I've got a little listener mail that I 24 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: wanted to read. This listener mail goes Hey, Jonathan Kenny here, 25 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: longtime listener, first time emailer. First off, love the show 26 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: as a lifelong tech geek. I love hearing about cool tech, 27 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: historic hacks, interweb lore and all the topics you've covered, 28 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: both with Lauren and all your cool guest hosts. On 29 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: recent sign offs, you mentioned possible suggested suggested topics like 30 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: personalities in tech, and I remember how interesting your episode 31 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: with Chris was on John McAfee back in two thousand 32 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: and twelve. You've probably been following more recent events surrounding McAfee, 33 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: his controversial actions and his wacky sense of humor, and 34 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: I was wondering if an update to the original podcast 35 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 1: is on the cards. Anyways, keep up the good work, 36 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: you're interesting topics, and you are terrible pons, so bad 37 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: they're good. Greetings from Northern Ireland, Kenny, Kenny, thank you 38 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: so much. We are going to do an update on 39 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: Mr John McAfee now. In order to do this update, 40 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: I am going to play a part of the episode 41 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: that that Kenny was referring to with me and Chris Palette, 42 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: so that those who have not heard it, because it 43 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: goes all the way back to two thousand twelve, can 44 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: understand what we're talking about. Now. This is about twenty 45 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: minutes of an episode we did about McAfee and other 46 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: quote unquote eccentric personalities in technology. And after we listen 47 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: to that classic piece of tech stuff, I'll come back 48 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: and talk about some of the updates things that have 49 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: happened since we recorded that show. So enjoy this classic 50 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: piece of tech stuff lore about John McAfee, and I'll 51 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: be chatting with you again in just a few minutes. 52 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: You know, we've talked a lot about people who have 53 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: very strong personalities, people like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs 54 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: and um, you know, very very powerful personalities there. Uh. 55 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: They may be friendly, they may be you know, have 56 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: thorny anger management problems or whatever. But for the most part, 57 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: you know, you can see a pretty good picture of 58 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: the person involved. Um. And then there are other people 59 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: who you go, wait, what what Yeah, And we've had 60 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: a pretty big one of those towards the end of 61 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: there's a spectrum of of normal, right right, there's some 62 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: people who are further out on the edges of that spectrum. 63 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: I would say, people like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates 64 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: are a little further out on that spectrum than others 65 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: because they are very they were both very driven. Of 66 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: course Steve Jobs unfortunately passed away, but both very driven 67 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: individuals who were passionate about their interests and UM, and 68 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: both reportedly had times when they were not the most 69 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: pleasant of people to be around. So so yeah, you've 70 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: got that whole spectrum thing. Well that we wanted to 71 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: talk today about some people who kind of fall outside 72 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: that spectrum to the point where you'd say, all right, 73 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: either this person has something seriously wrong going on with them, 74 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: or perhaps the things that are being reported about this 75 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: person are putting them in a really bad light. But 76 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: in any way, they are clearly they're they're in a 77 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: situation that is not normal, and they themselves may not 78 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: be what we would call normal. Um. And the first 79 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: one we wanted to talk about was the one who 80 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: was in the news recently is John McAfee. And McAfee 81 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: is a guy who's he's been known as being an 82 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: eccentric for uh for more than a decade UM. But 83 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: McAfee he was born in England and raised in Virginia. 84 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: He went to Roanoke College and got a degree in 85 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: mathematics from that college. UH he spent time as a 86 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: programmer for NASA's Institute for Space Studies. He worked for 87 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: a couple of big companies. He worked for UNIVAC, he 88 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: worked for Xerox, UH nine, joined the Computer Sciences Corporation, 89 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: and then he started working for Lockheed. And while he 90 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: was working for Lockheed, that's when he started to develop 91 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: the software that he has really become known for. In fact, 92 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: it shares his name, the McAfee anti virus software. While 93 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: at Lockheed, he was he became very interested in this 94 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: idea of detecting and removing computer viruses because they were 95 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: just really starting to blossom at that time. We're talking 96 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: about UM the late eighties, and you know, this is 97 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: before we really get into the eras of web. The 98 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: Web doesn't really exist yet, actually doesn't exist yet in 99 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: the in the eighties UM and very few companies have 100 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: access to some of the other Internet functionalities like file 101 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: transfer protocols or email, although they do exist at this time. 102 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: But he was he could see that there was this 103 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: rise in computer viruses and that because computers followed directions, 104 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: there are ways of creating directions that make your computer 105 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: do things that you don't necessarily want it to do, 106 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: whether that's uh completely filling up a hard drive with 107 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: meaningless information and breaking it, or installing some sort of 108 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: of of uh trojan program that protects a nasty piece 109 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: of malware from being detected. He was very much dedicated 110 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: to creating software that would that would find that and 111 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: remove it. Now. UM, it's interesting to note a little 112 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: bit about his background and UM, I I read not 113 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: too long ago a piece from released by Wired called 114 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: John McAfee's Last Stand by Joshua Davis also have a 115 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: an e book available on Amazon that you can purchase. 116 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: I think it's ninety nine cents and I think it's 117 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: a I want to say it's thirteen chapter something like that. Yeah. Uh, 118 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: it's it's not a long long book, but it's it's 119 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: you know, more than an article. Because apparently this guy 120 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:29,679 Speaker 1: from Wired was there for like six months yea. Um, 121 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: but yeah, he he had been um, you know, as 122 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: he was working for uh, you know, companies like omex 123 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: Um in the early nineteen eighties. I mean, he was 124 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: a pretty heavy drug user. Apparently I used cocaine, coeludes. Um, 125 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: you know, he he had been a pretty heavy drinker 126 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: before that, even in his college days. It looks like 127 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: um and apparently got to a point where he decided, 128 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: you know, that was it, he wasn't going to do 129 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: this anymore. And he really straightened up, um cleaned up. 130 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: And this was you know, this was before he really 131 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: got the idea to go in and do this himself, 132 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: to launch his own company, um so. And you know, 133 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: it's not that I necessarily want to smear mud on 134 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: John McAfee so much as I think it provides some 135 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: context for for the kinds of things that happened later 136 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: on in his life. Sure, and uh, he made some 137 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: interesting decisions with that software that he created. One of 138 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: those was that he decided upon the shareware distribution model, 139 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: which ended up being a very effective way for him 140 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: to get that software out there on the market. Um So. 141 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: In eighties seven he formed McAfee Associates, which was essentially 142 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: in charge of creating this MacAfee anti virus software. But 143 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: it wasn't that much longer. I mean, it was just 144 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: in ninety four when he resigned from the company, and 145 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: a couple of years later he sold his his stake 146 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: uh in the company entirely and just completely got away 147 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: from it. Um. At one point I hear that he 148 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: was valued at around a hundred million dollars. He himself 149 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: stated that due to the economic depression and downturn and 150 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: and all these other issues, that he was reduced too 151 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: closer to four million dollars uh after that was all over, 152 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: although more recently in two thousand twelve, he said that 153 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: that was probably not entirely accurate. He may he may 154 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: in fact have had a bit more than four million 155 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: dollars UM. And this is where we start getting into 156 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: some pretty strange stuff. Um. He one thing was that 157 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: he was really interested in this this concept of quorum sensing, 158 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: now uh quick. Quarum sensing, especially when it refers to bacteria, 159 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: is a way of that bacteria have of reacting in 160 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: a certain manner, and that manner is completely dependent upon 161 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: how much bacteria is present at at time. So in 162 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: other words, if you were to provide a stimulus to 163 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: these bacteria, they would provide a response that would be 164 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: based mostly upon how many other uh instances that bacteria 165 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: are present. So if there is X number or greater, 166 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: it will respond one way, But if it's fewer than 167 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: that it will respond a different way. And uh McAfee 168 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: said that he was doing this in order to try 169 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: and develop new anti biotics, antibacterial treatments, things that could 170 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: help humans, uh in a medicinal way. And he relocated 171 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: to two Belize, just in Central America, the only country 172 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: in Central America, by the way, for which English is 173 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: the official language, although from what I understand it is 174 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: not the most prevalent language spoken there. It is however, 175 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: the official one. Anyway, he moved to Belize, Um created 176 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: this lab in his home in a apparently a pretty 177 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: large compound there, but he has a lab at that compound. 178 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: That was from what he was saying, all about studying 179 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: this stuff to try and create better medicines, mostly medicines 180 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: that he was looking at. He was looking at a 181 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: lot of natural elements, things that were um found out 182 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: in rainforests, things like that as the key to these 183 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: sort of medicines. That's what he was claiming. Yeah, it 184 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: would seem that his his entrepreneurial spirit hasn't completely left 185 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: because he's he's done this. He's also even apparently tried 186 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: to come up with a a sport. Yes when he 187 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: was living out in the southwest. Now this is before 188 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: he moved to Belize. Um. Apparently, Um, I was listening 189 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: to a radio report from someone who had been uh 190 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: you know, who had met McAfee more than once, and 191 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: he said, yeah, I want you to come out here 192 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: and check out this new sport, apparently, narrow treking. You're 193 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: supposed to fly, I don't know, very very close to 194 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: the ground, um. Ideas, you fly very low to the 195 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: ground using some form of aircraft. It might even be 196 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: a hang glider with a motor attached to it. But 197 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: the idea is that you are flying close to the 198 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: ground so that you get that real sense of speed 199 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: and danger from being you know, just a very short 200 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: distance away from crashing to a potential terrible injury or death. 201 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: And in fact, McAfee was involved in a wrongful death 202 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: lawsuit that was the result of a person dying from 203 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: an arrow trekking accident. Um. So I mean this was 204 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: you know, he's known as a daredevil as well as 205 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: many other things, which will I guess we can kind 206 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: of segue into. Now this is gonna get really weird, folks, 207 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: because here here's the thing is that there are a 208 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: lot of different reports. There's what McAfee has said through 209 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: or we presume it's McAfee, through various blogs and Twitter 210 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: at count Twitter messages, things like that, there are things 211 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: that he has said, there are things that people who 212 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: know him have have said. There's things that journalists who 213 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: have investigated this have said, and honestly, we don't have 214 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: the whole story. But no matter who's telling the story, 215 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: it's weird. UM well known that the Belize police have 216 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: visited him on more than one occasion. Yes, they're their 217 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: gangs unit actually rated his house in April two thousand twelve, 218 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: the Gang Suppression Unit in Orange Walkdown, Belize. They rated 219 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: his home under suspicion that his laboratory was actually producing 220 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: crystal meth. That that was in fact what he was 221 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: interested in making and not UM medicine. And in fact 222 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: there are there are journalists, they're bloggers who have said that, 223 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: UM that that McAfee was very active in online discussion 224 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: forums that were dedicated to drug manufacturer like as an 225 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: illicit drugs or or recreational drugs UM. Although there is 226 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: a woman who um he talked into a job offer 227 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: to come down and work on UH medicinal drugs as well, 228 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: so that again, this is their conflicting report. So they 229 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: could be that these reports that he was the one 230 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: who was on these recreational drug sites, maybe that wasn't him, 231 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: you know, because they were using uh pseudonyms, I mean handles, 232 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: they weren't It wasn't just him there. But Gismoto published 233 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: a report that very much seemed to indicate that he 234 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: was one of the people on this recreational drug forum 235 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: talking about trying to perfect a typical kind of drug 236 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: that would, um well, supposed to enhance his his sexual 237 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: experiences as well as give a sense of euphoria and 238 00:14:55,400 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: supposedly would create a very gradual and mel oh come 239 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: down afterward. So uh and and he the guy who 240 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: was posting under this name, posted a lot about this 241 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: particular kind of drug. Um Whether or not that was 242 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: John McAfee, however, is still a question. Now. One of 243 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: the things that people have said is that the drugs 244 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: that he was talking about often can create a sense 245 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: of paranoia in someone who's using those drugs. Now, again, 246 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: whether or not McFee was using those drugs is a 247 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: is a question that's left open. However, I think it's 248 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: safe to say that paranoia is something he has felt, 249 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: Yes he has. He has demonstrated, uh, paranoid tendencies. Now 250 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: again there's always that joke just because your paranoia doesn't 251 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: mean they're not out to get you. But we can't 252 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: really say that, but we can definitely say that he 253 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: has shown some some paranoid tendencies. One of those is 254 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: trying to evade the police. Now, as of the recording 255 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: of this podcast, which is at the end of November twelve, 256 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: he's still on the run from police and Belize. And 257 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: the reason why the police are interested in him is 258 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: that someone who lived near him, Gregory Vellant Fall, was 259 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: found shot dead a few several meters away from from 260 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: McAfee's property and um Fall and McAfee had a history 261 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: of some arguments, some some uh, some disagreements, one of 262 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: which was that Fall said that McAfee mcfee's dogs, but 263 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: I think McFee owned like eleven dogs, but that his 264 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: dogs were barking all the time and that was driving 265 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: Fall crazy. And uh. One of the other issues that 266 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: happened recently was that several of McAfee's dogs, I think 267 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: four of them died of poisoning. So the implication here 268 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: and again this is all unfolding, so we don't have 269 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: the full information, but the implication is that perhaps Fall 270 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: or someone that Fall knows, poisoned the dogs, and that 271 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: perhaps there was an act of retribution against Fall. So 272 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: when the news first broke, it sounded like McAfee was 273 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: not just a person of interest but a suspect. Since then, 274 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: the Belize police have said, no, he's not a suspect. 275 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: We just want to talk to him because we want 276 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: to find out who killed Fall. It's possible that perhaps 277 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: someone around McAfee killed Fall for McAfee, not necessarily on 278 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: McAfee's command, because, as it turns out, McAfee has seemingly 279 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: started to hang out with some pretty rough customers in Belize. Yep, 280 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: the photography that that accompanies the Wired book includes some 281 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: people with some very large guns. Yeah. The stories that 282 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,719 Speaker 1: are essentially I'm sorry, I mean, there's a guns are 283 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: pretty heavily restricted in Belize too. So the story essentially 284 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: is that it sounds like McAfee has um formed relationships 285 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: with several of the drugs in Belize. Now, it may 286 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: be that he was doing this in an attempt to 287 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: get hold of materials for his legitimate medical you know, 288 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: research that could be the case, it would not be 289 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: necessarily the wisest move a person has ever made to 290 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: get involved with drug lords, but that's a possibility. Now 291 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: a lot of other people are saying, no, what's happening 292 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,239 Speaker 1: is McAfee got involved with them so he could get 293 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: the ingredients he needed to make the recreational drugs that 294 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: he was interested in, which again we don't know, um so. Anyway, 295 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: it's possible that maybe one of these you know, gang 296 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: members that he hangs out with committed the murder and 297 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: it wasn't McAfee at all. So we don't know if 298 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: McAfee shot Fall, or if someone McAfee knows shot him, 299 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: or if it was just some random crime that seems 300 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: that seems the most unrealistic of the various possibilities, but 301 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: we don't know, um so. McAfee has been on the 302 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: run and has been posting, or at least there have 303 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: been blog post attributed to McAfee that have posted in 304 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: his absence that have made things sound even more strange, 305 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:16,719 Speaker 1: for instance, that McAfee has been using elaborate disguises to 306 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: to hide in plain sight. Yes, he appeared as a 307 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: German um tourist basically using profanity and just shouting at 308 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: people randomly, or tried to uh disguise himself and hunch 309 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: over so that he didn't appear as tall as he 310 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: normally is, and uh spoken heavily accented English, trying to 311 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: sell trinkets to uh he said even or this person 312 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: said he even attempted to sell something to an Associated 313 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: Press reporter who didn't recognize him, a wooden dolphins. Yes, uh, 314 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: that the reporter suddenly had an urgent call to attend to. Yeah, 315 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: it's in the blog post McAfee assuming in his McAfee 316 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: claimed that he nearly sold one of these trinkets before 317 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: the p reporter was called away. Um. Now the police 318 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: police have been asking him to turn himself in so 319 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: that he can talk about whatever it is that happened 320 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: to fall, like who who could have possibly killed him, 321 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: and to clear his name. McAfee in turn, has said that, 322 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: or at least according to these reports and according to 323 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: people who know him who say they've talked to him, 324 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: says that he doesn't want to go into police custody 325 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: because he firmly believes that the police will kill him 326 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: once he's in their custody. Yeah, he um. He even 327 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: reacted to the that's the way he's on the run now. 328 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 1: Actually was because when the when the police showed up, 329 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: he thought they were coming to hassle him again. So 330 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: he here, that's what he says. Anyway, so he escaped 331 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: before they could catch him. Yeah, he um. So anyway, 332 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: he's saying that the police are definitely going to kill 333 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: him if they take him into custody. Uh. He's also 334 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: at one point apparently suggested that, uh that fall falls 335 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: death was really meant, was that there was a hit 336 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: gone wrong. It was meant to hit McAfee and instead 337 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: hit Fallum. That was one of the other possibilities I 338 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: heard a couple of weeks before we record this podcast. Um. 339 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: So it's these are these are definitely tendencies that we 340 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: would classify as paranoite. Um. And honestly, again we don't 341 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: know all the information. It maybe that perhaps McAfee is 342 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: a very eccentric but otherwise mostly innocent person. Now it's 343 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: true that his personal life also has some other complications. 344 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: Apparently he has several people living at that compound with him, 345 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: including several young women with whom he often has sexual relations, 346 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: and including one who is identified over and over as 347 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: a seventeen year old girlfriend. But then there are other women, uh, 348 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 1: and and at that compound as well, and so I 349 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: mean they're they're definitely. So it's kind of this weird, 350 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: larger than life, odd David Lynch sort of story thing. 351 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: Like if if I saw the US in a film, 352 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: I would think the Coen Brothers made it. Yeah, it's 353 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: just it's just so weird when you think of somebody 354 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: who has gone down in history as coming up with 355 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: a very successful tech product. Um. You know, you you 356 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: don't typically think of that. You think of somebody like 357 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: Jobs or Gates or um, maybe Larry Ellison. Uh, you 358 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: know some some people who they've got lots of money, 359 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: they live a jet setter's lifestyle. Maybe maybe not um, 360 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: but you don't really typically think of you know, when 361 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: you hear something like, well, John McPhee is a person 362 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: of interest in this murder case, and really that's just strange. 363 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: All right, now you've heard the beginning of that story 364 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: and how crazy it God and believes. But now let's 365 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: talk about what's happened since we recorded that episode. We 366 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: recorded it back and I think November of two thousand 367 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: twelve and In fact, quite a lot happened after November 368 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, just to round out the year. So 369 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: we left off with McAfee on the run and in disguise, 370 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: occasionally updating his status through a blog. The Prime Minister 371 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: of Belize named Dean Barrow stated that McAfee was paranoid 372 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: and quote bonkers. In the quote, he said McAfee was 373 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: refusing to answer questions as a person of interest, and 374 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: said McAfee was unfairly portraying Belize as a corrupt nation. 375 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: So we have two very different stories going on here. 376 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: McAfee is claiming that the government of Belize is inherently 377 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: corrupt uh and that the police were not just out 378 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: to ask him a few questions, but we're possibly going 379 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: to actually kill him. Meanwhile, you've got the Prime Minister 380 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: of Belize saying this is not true. We're just investigating 381 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: the death of a person who was killed in beliefe 382 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: ease and all you want to do is ask some questions. 383 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: In fact, Dean Barrow said this is so high profile now, 384 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: it's so focused on in the media that it would 385 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: be ridiculous for any harm to come to McAfee in Belize. 386 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 1: Police custody. It would end up being proof that what 387 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: McAfee was saying was true, which doesn't make any sense 388 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: on the part of Belize. However, that being said, McAfee 389 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: was having none of it. He did not want to 390 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: come back. On December five, two thousand and twelve, McAfee 391 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 1: was arrested by Guatemalan police, who tracked him to a 392 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: posh Guatemala City neighborhood. They arrested him on the charge 393 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: of entering Guatemala illegally. Now McAfee had sought asylum in 394 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: Guatemala to avoid contact with the police force in Belize. 395 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: The police in Guatemala determined his location by a pretty 396 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: simple method. They looked the meta data on a photo 397 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: uploaded to VICE. A group of VICE reporters were actually 398 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 1: traveling with McAfee and documenting the whole experience, and they 399 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: failed to strip the photo of metadata before they uploaded it, 400 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: so the photo actually included information on where the picture 401 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: was taken, and the police were able to use that 402 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: to narrow their search and catch McAfee. Now, Guatemalan authorities 403 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: announced they would deport McAfee, though at the time it 404 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: wasn't certain if they would send him to Belize or 405 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: send him to the United States. Keep in mind macfee's 406 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: actually was born in the UK. He lived in the 407 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: US when he created McAfee software, then moved to Belize. 408 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: This is a pretty complicated issue here now. No no, 409 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: no formal charges have been leveled on McAfee from Belize, 410 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: so that also complicated matters. A few days later, McAfee 411 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: complained of experiencing symptoms that were similar to that of 412 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: a heart attack, and in fact, it was widely reported 413 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: that he suffered a heart attack and was rushed to 414 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: a hospital in Guatemala. Meanwhile, his attorney was filing appeals 415 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: for his deportation, and his attorney actually said that McAfee 416 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 1: had not suffered a heart attack per se, but rather 417 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: an acute anxiety attack and actually was having changes in 418 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: his blood pressure and that was what had set off 419 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: his his uh, his symptoms, and that he had even 420 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: fainted from this. Meanwhile, the doctor said there was no 421 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: reason to hold McAfee and they discharged him from the hospital, 422 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: so he went back to the detention center in Guatemala. Meanwhile, 423 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: you have these appeals coming in and I guess either 424 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: the Guatemalan government figured that sending him to the United 425 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: States was the most logical conclusion, or they just didn't 426 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: want to deal with him anymore. At any rate, they 427 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: deported McAfee to Miami on December twelve, two thousand twelve. 428 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: He then claimed that he had essentially faked all those 429 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: symptoms in order to give his attorney enough time to 430 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: file the appeals before he could be deported to Belize. 431 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: McAfee then offered a twenty five dollar reward for information 432 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: that could lead to the arrest and conviction of the 433 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: person responsible for Gregory Falls murder. There's a lot to 434 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: say about this. I personally have never spoken with John McAfee. 435 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: I do not know him at all, so I only 436 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: know of him. I know what I've read, and I 437 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: know that there are a lot of conflicting depictions of 438 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: McAfee and the media. There's some that portray him as 439 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: very much the victim. There's some who suggest that he 440 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: is manipulating the media and people around him, and we'll 441 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: talk more about that in a second. So who is 442 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: actually telling the truth here is hard to say, but 443 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: it's certainly seems to be the case that McAfee has 444 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: a history of what he calls playing hoaxes on people. 445 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: Some might say that the hoax is an excuse for 446 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: his behavior, saying that, oh no, he wasn't really trying 447 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: to achieve this underhanded tactic. He was just playing a trick. Um. 448 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: It all sounds fishy to me, But I don't know 449 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 1: the man, and I was not involved in any of this, 450 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: so I can only speak from my own personal perspective here. Anyway, 451 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: let's move on to two thousand thirteen, because we got 452 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 1: so much more to talk about here. So in April, 453 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: it's announced that the drug smuggler George Young, whose own 454 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: biography was told in the film Blow That was the 455 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: movie that had Johnny Depp playing the part of Young, 456 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: that George Young would write McAfee's biography. It was going 457 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: to be called No Domain. However, as of August when 458 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: I'm recording this, it has yet to be published. And honestly, 459 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: when I was doing searches on this, I couldn't find 460 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: any updated information. Now that could very well be that 461 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: this is still a book that's in the writing process. 462 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: Books to time to write and to edit and to publish. 463 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: My father is an author, and I have seen this 464 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: process take more than a year. Several times. But that 465 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: being said, I haven't seen any more updates on this, 466 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: so I don't know if this project is dead in 467 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: the water or not, but it certainly made the news. 468 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: Back in also inteen and May, McAfee sat down for 469 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: a four hour interview with USA Today, and in that interview, 470 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: he proclaimed his innocence of the Gregory Fall murder and 471 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: suggested perhaps it was another American expatriate who committed the 472 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: murder and said that he believed believes authorities were persecuting him. 473 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: That is McAfee, because he had refused to pay a 474 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: two million dollar bribe earlier, and by this time he 475 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: was living near Portland, Oregon. This is where the story 476 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: gets even more weird and complicated. Belies authorities say they 477 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: have no idea who McAfee is talking about with this 478 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: or American expatriate. McAfee says it was another neighbor. The 479 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: Belize authorities say, we don't even know that such a 480 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: person exists, And again it becomes difficult to figure out 481 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: who is telling the truth. And it may very well 482 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: be that the person exists and the Belize authorities aren't 483 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: aware of the person. That's a possibility to it could 484 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: be that both parties are telling the truth. I honestly 485 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: don't know. Also, in May of twenty thirteen, Jeff Wise 486 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: publishes a piece in Psychology Today about McAfee and alleges 487 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: that McAfee delights in manipulating the media and twisting stories 488 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: for his own amusement. Essentially that he finds it entertaining 489 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: and possibly advantageous to manipulate the media and create a 490 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: narrative vision of what who he is and what he's 491 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: all about. It's not entirely clear what Wise thinks actually 492 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: happened with McAfee in Belize, and it's possible that Wise 493 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: himself isn't really sure what happened because McAfee has this 494 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: weird behavior. He says that he visited McAfee in Belize 495 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: and felt very much ill at ease during that visit. 496 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: He had visited him more than once, but on his 497 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: final visit to McAfee and Belize, he seems to indicate 498 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: that he felt like he was in danger or potentially 499 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: in danger. He saw that there were security that were 500 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: armed that were walking around, there were no other people 501 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,479 Speaker 1: there besides the security, and some women hanging around, and 502 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: that he felt it was a dangerous situation. He also 503 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: reported that a former partner of McAfee's who was working 504 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: on the antibiotic project, had said that McAfee had switched 505 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: things out eventually, had decided instead of going after antibiotics UH, 506 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: to concentrate on drugs that would affect the female libido 507 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: in other words, to convince women to have sexual relations 508 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: with men, which is super duper creepy. And she also 509 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: alleged that he was, if not abusive, he was at 510 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: least very scary around her, and she felt like she 511 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: needed to escape that situation. So all of this points 512 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: to some pretty negative depictions of McAfee UM that seemed 513 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: to fall in line with what other people have said. 514 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: But McAfee himself says that this is all incorrect, that 515 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: none of this is really who he is UM and 516 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: in fact wise would go on to say that McAfee 517 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: shared several qualities with people who have psychopathic personalities. UM. 518 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: He didn't go so far as to call McAfee an 519 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: actual psychopath, just said that he appears to have some 520 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: personality traits that are similar to that of psychopaths, including 521 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: things like making grandiose announcements or plans UH and also 522 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: having like this kind of paranoid persecution complex that he 523 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: is so important that other entities wish to knock him 524 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: off his pedestal, like the idea that he himself is 525 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: the target of a lot of uh scrutiny and of spying, 526 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: and he's also actually a target of assassins, that that 527 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: he believes these things because of his his his feeling 528 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: of self importance, that's wise his position. He also says 529 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: that McAfee seems to have very little care or regard 530 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: about how he affects other people, which is another quality 531 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: of a psychopath um But again, Wise never actually says 532 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: that McAfee's a psychopath. He says he has some psychopathic tendencies, 533 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: just subtle distinction. Also, also in May two thousand thirteen, 534 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: two of the buildings on McAfee's compound, back and Belieze, 535 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: were burned down. And it all depends upon the account 536 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: you read, and some accounts it's called a brush fire 537 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: that's spread to the compound, and that these two buildings 538 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 1: burned down as a result. McAfee made statements that essentially 539 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: made it sound like he believed these fires were arson, 540 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: that they were essentially set possibly by the authorities of 541 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: Belieze on his former compound. Again, no way of telling 542 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: what the truth is here. In June, McAfee shoots a 543 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: spoof video. This is still in two thousand thirteen. He 544 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: shoots a spoof video called how to uninstall McAfee anti Virus. 545 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: And this is all done as a joke. It's a 546 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: pretty tasteless joke in some cases, but it is a joke, 547 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: and it's mostly McAfee pointing poking fun not just at 548 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: the anti virus software that still has his name but 549 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: he has no connection to, but also poking fun at 550 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: the public image of McAfee himself. So in the video, 551 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: at first he's wearing a smoking jacket that's over a tuxedo, 552 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: and he explains that he still gets tons of requests 553 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 1: from people about how to uninstall the McAfee any virus software, 554 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: but he says, I don't know because I'm not connected 555 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: to it. I haven't had anything to do with that 556 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: software for more than fifteen years. Then he lights a 557 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: cigarette using a one dollar bill and then starts reading 558 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: messages from various people about the McAfee software. And these 559 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: messages have lots and lots of profanity in them. This 560 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: whole video, by the way, is probably not safe for 561 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: work for most people. If you work in like an 562 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: off typical office environment, I would say probably not safe, 563 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: and also shows McAfee surrounded by women who are wearing 564 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: various sexy costumes like a you know, like the sexy 565 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: nurse costume, that kind of stuff. He's also surrounded by 566 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 1: guns and supposedly indulging in rugs like he's clearly uh 567 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: snorting various stuff using a crazy straw at one point. Um, 568 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:11,760 Speaker 1: but uh, clearly this is played up in a big way. Also, meanwhile, 569 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: a technician is attempting to explain the uninstalling process while 570 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: all of this other stuff is going on. And um, 571 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,959 Speaker 1: it's a weird video. Again, it's obviously a joke, it's 572 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: not meant to be taken seriously, and it does incorporate 573 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: a lot of the behaviors McAfee has been accused of. Uh, 574 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: and I assume an attempt to say this is ridiculous, 575 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: this isn't who I am. In November, McFee was sued 576 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: by Gregory Fall's daughter in a wrongful death lawsuit. Now 577 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: McAfee said the timing seemed rather convenient to him, as 578 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: it was public knowledge that he had lost nearly everything 579 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: back in Belize and had to start back from scratch, 580 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: but no one sued him during those months when he 581 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,919 Speaker 1: had nothing. It was only when he began to long 582 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: a new business that, uh, this lawsuit came forward. And 583 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 1: so he was essentially alleging that Gregory Fall's daughter only 584 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: sued him because he clearly had some money again, and 585 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: that it wasn't in an effort to actually get justice 586 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: for the murder of her father. That I'm I am 587 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: definitely inferring a lot from what McAfee said in the 588 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: various reports, but that seems to be the gist of it. Uh. 589 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: He even mentioned that his efforts to launch a business 590 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,879 Speaker 1: had been covered in the media and that he had 591 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: even made statements saying he didn't have to seek out 592 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: venture capital in order to launch his business. So he 593 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 1: was just suggesting that Falls family was jumping at an 594 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: opportunity at that point. McAfee also did found a new 595 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,879 Speaker 1: company at that point called Future Tense Central. Uh. It's 596 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: dedicated to online security and privacy, and I'll talk a 597 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: little bit about the product they offer when we get 598 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: to twenty fifteen, but first let's move on to thousand fourteen. 599 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: In July, McAfee is found to have been legally responsible 600 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,399 Speaker 1: for the death of Robert Gilson, who died in an 601 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: ultra light aircraft crash in two thousand six. The pilot 602 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: of that aircraft was Joel Gordon Batau, which was McAfee's nephew, 603 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: who also died in that crash. U The charges were 604 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,799 Speaker 1: that Bto didn't really have a full pilot's license, so 605 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 1: therefore was not qualified to teach this in the first place, 606 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: and that it was McAfee who was responsible because McAfee 607 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: ran the business promoting what he called aerotrekking, which is 608 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: a sport in which small aircraft are flown at low 609 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: altitudes over rough terrain. So McAfee was ordered to pay 610 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: two and a half million dollars in damages. Also in fourteen, Intel, 611 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: which had purchased McAfee software, decided to rename McAfee and 612 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 1: call it Intel Security, and this rebranding was in part 613 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: to distance the product from John McAfee himself, and that 614 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 1: was probably because of all the negative press that was 615 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: coming up around John McAfee and the descriptions of his behavior. 616 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: But for his part, McAfee said he was really happy 617 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: that Intel renamed the software because he had had no 618 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: connection with McAfee software since he got out of the 619 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: company in the mid nineties, and he felt that the 620 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 1: product was a subpar, inferior product, and it's still had 621 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: his name on it. So he said, I'm glad they 622 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: changed the name of the stuff because I don't want 623 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: to be associated with that program. He had some probably 624 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: stronger language to describe all that. By the way, now 625 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: let's get on up to two thousand and fifteen. I'm 626 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,359 Speaker 1: skipping over a lot of stuff because honestly, to cover 627 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 1: all the different elements of McAfee's life would probably take 628 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: me another episode or two, and most of them are 629 00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,320 Speaker 1: again elements that it's hard to describe exactly what happened 630 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,959 Speaker 1: because there's so many different accounts, and as people have said, 631 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 1: McAfee himself maybe an unreliable narrator. I'll say maybe, because 632 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: again I don't know the man. But in two thousand fifteen, 633 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: Spike TV commissions a six part mini series on McAfee, 634 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,439 Speaker 1: so they followed him around quite a bit this year, 635 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: uh and leading up to August two thousand fifteen. I'm 636 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 1: just gonna skip straight to it. Because a lot has 637 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 1: happened this month. I'm recording this on August two thousand fifteen. 638 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 1: So in August two thousand fifteen, McAfee is arrested in 639 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: Tennessee for driving under the influence of prescription drugs while 640 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: in possession of a handgun. So he's driving under the 641 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: influence and he has a handgun in his car, both 642 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 1: of which together are very much against the law in Tennessee, 643 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,360 Speaker 1: and so he's arrested and booked for that. Uh. He 644 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 1: was released on five thousand dollars bond, and he wrote 645 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: about it online and said he apologized if he offended 646 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: anyone with the way he likes to dance around the 647 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: boundaries of what is considered to be normal. Now, I'm 648 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: gonna take just a little moment here to express my 649 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,839 Speaker 1: own personal opinion about this, And keep in mind this 650 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 1: is my personal opinion, but I feel that if you 651 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: are operating a vehicle while under the influence of drugs, 652 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: prescribed or otherwise, you are no longer just dancing around 653 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: what is to be normal. You are taking a risk 654 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: not just to your own safety, but the safety of 655 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,879 Speaker 1: everyone else around you. If you are driving while your 656 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 1: abilities and your judgment are impaired, then you are a 657 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 1: danger to other people out there. And that goes beyond 658 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: just being eccentric or deciding that normal isn't for you. 659 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: That's being irresponsible. So I very much take issue with 660 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: him saying I'm sorry if you're offended. First of all, 661 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: never use that phrase. Don't ever say I'm sorry if 662 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 1: you feel that way, or I'm sorry if you're offended, 663 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 1: because you're still putting the responsibility the accountability on the 664 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:17,840 Speaker 1: person you are supposedly apologizing to. If you're actually apologizing, 665 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,959 Speaker 1: apologize for whatever it was you did. Don't say I'm 666 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 1: sorry you're hurt or I'm sorry if that makes you angry, 667 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 1: because you're suggesting that the other person is responsible for 668 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 1: what has happened. If you're not sorry, then you're not sorry. 669 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you to apologize if you 670 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 1: feel like you shouldn't apologize, but if you feel like 671 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:43,399 Speaker 1: you should apologize, it's much better. It doesn't feel good 672 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: at the moment, but you'll feel better afterwards, trust me. 673 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,239 Speaker 1: All Right, tangent aside, let's get back to McAfee. He 674 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,799 Speaker 1: appears at def Con. That's a big hacker conference. In 675 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: case you're not familiar. Uh, it's a conference where a 676 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 1: lot of white hat hackers get together. Not just white 677 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 1: hat hackers, they're hat hackers there too, white hat being 678 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,399 Speaker 1: the people who test various systems for vulnerabilities and then 679 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:11,240 Speaker 1: attempt to make that information known to the entities responsible 680 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: for the systems so they can patch those vulnerabilities and 681 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,359 Speaker 1: make the systems stronger. There's also black hat hackers which 682 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 1: look for vulnerabilities in an effort to exploit them, not 683 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 1: to make the system stronger, but to be able to 684 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,439 Speaker 1: use the system for their own purposes. So it def con. 685 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,120 Speaker 1: McAfee promoted a product called demons Saw, which is a 686 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,799 Speaker 1: product from Future Tents, that company he founded back in 687 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen. And demons Saw is an attempt to 688 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,880 Speaker 1: create a very safe encryption process that doesn't require public 689 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 1: and private encryption keys. And I've talked about encryption keys 690 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 1: in previous episodes, so I'm not going to go into that. 691 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 1: But what these usually use our random number generators to 692 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 1: create the the the encryption key itself, and it has 693 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,880 Speaker 1: to have some sort of seed to go into a 694 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 1: random number generator to get that random number. Because machines 695 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,400 Speaker 1: are actually not good at actually generating random numbers. You 696 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 1: typically feed some information into a machine and you get 697 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 1: a random quote unquote random number after a series of 698 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,840 Speaker 1: operations are performed on that data. Uh, And there are 699 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 1: a lot of different ways of doing this. You might 700 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:33,360 Speaker 1: use the amount of time it takes between typing a word, 701 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: like the time between each letter being pressed down. That 702 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 1: might be the information that ends up generating an encryption key, 703 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,320 Speaker 1: or it might be something like a weather pattern where 704 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: you have a sensor picking up a change in air 705 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,279 Speaker 1: pressure or humidity or something along those lines, and that 706 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: becomes the information that then is fed through a random 707 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,320 Speaker 1: number generator to create an encryption key. But demon saw 708 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,719 Speaker 1: was a is an idea where the encryption channel is 709 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:08,440 Speaker 1: created through shared experiences, meaning that you and the people 710 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,399 Speaker 1: you wish to communicate with all end up sharing some 711 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 1: sort of experience. It might be a picture that's on 712 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,840 Speaker 1: the Internet, or a sound file, or some other web 713 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 1: based or Internet based thing that you all have in 714 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,359 Speaker 1: common that ends up being the information that's fed through 715 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,360 Speaker 1: the random number generator because that way, it's the shared 716 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,839 Speaker 1: experience is something that is unique to the group. At 717 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: least that's the idea, And this was something that McFee 718 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,719 Speaker 1: worked with Eric J. Anderson on. Eric J. Anderson is 719 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,280 Speaker 1: a coder and a programmer. He's also known for working 720 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 1: on video games. He's a programmer for rock Star and 721 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,680 Speaker 1: worked on g T A five Grand Theft Auto five 722 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:56,719 Speaker 1: and the criticisms I've read of this mostly rely on 723 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 1: the fact that one, it does not appear to have 724 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,360 Speaker 1: why spread adoption. There are not a lot of people 725 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,759 Speaker 1: using it right now, and to um, there haven't been 726 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 1: any third party UH analysts who have had a chance 727 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 1: to look at this and test it to make sure 728 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:18,279 Speaker 1: it's actually secure. All the the notifications we have about 729 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: the security of the product comes straight from McAfee or Anderson, 730 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 1: and therefore you know, you you don't know if you 731 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 1: can trust those statements or not. So that also happened 732 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 1: at def Con. McAfee held an A M A and 733 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: asked me anything on Reddit UH, and it was long. 734 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 1: He did this just a few days ago from when 735 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,440 Speaker 1: I'm recording this six days previously, so sometimes like August one, 736 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,040 Speaker 1: he held this a m A and um, I printed 737 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,240 Speaker 1: the whole thing out, and it's a lot of stuff 738 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,320 Speaker 1: in it. He talked about tons of things, including UH, 739 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,640 Speaker 1: the Internet, of Things and how it could pose a 740 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,200 Speaker 1: serious risk to security, something I actually agree with. I 741 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,120 Speaker 1: in fact, I agree with a lot of the things 742 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 1: McAfee says about security in general. I don't necessarily believe 743 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 1: all the information he cites, but I definitely agree with 744 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,120 Speaker 1: a lot of the conclusions he's come to. UM like 745 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: the idea that the Internet of Things could be a 746 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:24,400 Speaker 1: huge security issue. Whether it's because it introduces more vulnerabilities 747 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,879 Speaker 1: into a system, which is entirely possible. If I hook 748 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,040 Speaker 1: up a whole bunch of different products to my home 749 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:36,040 Speaker 1: network and those products aren't really secure, then you might 750 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,719 Speaker 1: be able to get an intrusion on my network through 751 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:44,080 Speaker 1: one of these products. Uh Also, he said that anti 752 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:48,400 Speaker 1: virus software is becoming less useful, which I would also 753 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,680 Speaker 1: agree with, mainly because you know, back in the day 754 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,759 Speaker 1: when anti virus software was first invented, when McAfee had 755 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:59,560 Speaker 1: started working on anti virus software, viruses were being produced 756 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,799 Speaker 1: any slowly. You would get a release occasionally, maybe a 757 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,839 Speaker 1: few times in a month. These days, there's tons of 758 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,880 Speaker 1: malware being released. Lots of it tends to be uh 759 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:17,080 Speaker 1: tweaks to earlier types of malware, but you just have 760 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:22,400 Speaker 1: a sheer enormity of viruses and other types of malware 761 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,960 Speaker 1: hitting the Internet every single day, and anti virus software 762 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 1: can't keep up with all of that. So it is 763 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 1: getting to a point where anti virus software is not 764 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,560 Speaker 1: really doing the job that we needed to do. He 765 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 1: also said that uh, in Belize, there is quote nothing 766 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,240 Speaker 1: illegal that the government there is not into end quote, 767 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,839 Speaker 1: essentially saying Belize government is doing all sorts of illegal things. 768 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,479 Speaker 1: He accused the Minister of Defense of Belize of being 769 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:58,160 Speaker 1: the largest dealer in human trafficking, for example, So lots 770 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 1: of different accusations from him in this a m A 771 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:06,160 Speaker 1: uh there were level that believes um. McPhee also said 772 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 1: that he thought, and this was in a separate article, 773 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:13,239 Speaker 1: that the Ashley Madison hack, that's the website that was 774 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,960 Speaker 1: geared to UH two people who wanted to have extramarital affairs, 775 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,600 Speaker 1: very famous hack there that has it's the story still unfolding, 776 00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:27,040 Speaker 1: but several gigabytes of data have been released to the 777 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,720 Speaker 1: dark web. He said he thinks that the Ashley Masson 778 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,120 Speaker 1: hack wasn't really a hack, it was a leak, meaning 779 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,880 Speaker 1: that someone from within the company itself, either a current 780 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,960 Speaker 1: or former employee took that information from the company and 781 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,320 Speaker 1: then released it on the dark web. He also said 782 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,640 Speaker 1: he thought it was a solo job. He didn't think 783 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:52,840 Speaker 1: it was actually a team, although the the party claiming 784 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,680 Speaker 1: responsibility refers to itself as a team. And he also 785 00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 1: thought that this solo person was a woman. And he 786 00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,840 Speaker 1: cites unnamed sources on the dark web as his sources 787 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,000 Speaker 1: for this information, which doesn't do a whole lot for 788 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,680 Speaker 1: the credibility of the claims because they can't be you know, 789 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,560 Speaker 1: they can't be be ratified. We can't find out if 790 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:21,200 Speaker 1: in fact this is accurate. Um. However, I will say 791 00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,920 Speaker 1: that it is. It does make some sense for it 792 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,759 Speaker 1: to be an internal leak as opposed to a hack, 793 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,560 Speaker 1: simply because of the huge amount of information UM. It 794 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,800 Speaker 1: would be easier to get that from within the company 795 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,000 Speaker 1: than to try and access it from outside the company, 796 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,720 Speaker 1: particularly if you don't know how the company's UH data 797 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,600 Speaker 1: is structured. In fact, that was one of the arguments 798 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,680 Speaker 1: that McAfee made was that the person who grabbed all 799 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,000 Speaker 1: this information clearly knew where to look for it, and 800 00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:54,040 Speaker 1: that suggested they already had worked for the company. As 801 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,560 Speaker 1: for the fact that he believes it to be a woman. 802 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,799 Speaker 1: He cites the language used in the commu nications from 803 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:05,680 Speaker 1: the Responsible Party as being that the words and language 804 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 1: that a woman would choose, which to me sounds incredibly sexist, 805 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:16,560 Speaker 1: but again that's my own opinion. McAfee also has spoken 806 00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,200 Speaker 1: out against smartphones. He said that they are essentially spying 807 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,080 Speaker 1: machines and says that somewhere around a hundred million or 808 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,920 Speaker 1: a hundred fifty million devices at the very least have 809 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,799 Speaker 1: been compromised by various types of malware, and that each 810 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,120 Speaker 1: key stroke can be logged, the camera can be activated remotely, 811 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,560 Speaker 1: and the microphone can pick up on conversations and more. 812 00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,480 Speaker 1: He talks about not just hackers, but the government releasing 813 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,319 Speaker 1: malware that could allow for this sort of thing. Uh, 814 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,279 Speaker 1: And certainly there are types of malware out there that 815 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,160 Speaker 1: will do this kind of stuff if you were to 816 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,279 Speaker 1: install it on your your device. Whether the numbers he 817 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,120 Speaker 1: sites are accurate is another question, and it may be 818 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,520 Speaker 1: that he's being conservative now as of the recording of 819 00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,719 Speaker 1: this update, I tried to go to the quorum x 820 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,920 Speaker 1: website that's the antibiotic company that McAfee founded, but it 821 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,680 Speaker 1: no longer appears to have an active website. Going to 822 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,200 Speaker 1: quorum x dot com gave me a no result both 823 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,759 Speaker 1: on my computer and on my my phone. And there 824 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,760 Speaker 1: is a Facebook page for the company, but it hasn't 825 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,560 Speaker 1: been updated since two thousand twelve. However, the Twitter account 826 00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,920 Speaker 1: for the company has one recent tweet on August twenty, 827 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,480 Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen. It essentially was sharing a news story 828 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,480 Speaker 1: that related back to some of the research that was 829 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,680 Speaker 1: going on in Belize, or supposedly going on in Belize. 830 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,520 Speaker 1: And if you look at that to the next tweet 831 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,959 Speaker 1: on the list, there's a huge gap. The next most 832 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:51,439 Speaker 1: recent tweet dates from September two thousand twelve. So what's 833 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:55,359 Speaker 1: up with that? Who knows? Um? Most people just say 834 00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:01,080 Speaker 1: that that company doesn't really exist anymore. Uh. Also, McAfee 835 00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,840 Speaker 1: himself is quite a character. I think he revels in 836 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,040 Speaker 1: being a character. I don't know what the man is 837 00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:14,040 Speaker 1: like personally, but he certainly seems to relish his role 838 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,680 Speaker 1: in the public spotlight to some degree or another. Uh. 839 00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:24,080 Speaker 1: He doesn't appear to necessarily shy away from it. So UM, 840 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that I have a 841 00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,200 Speaker 1: better grasp on who this man is than I did 842 00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,560 Speaker 1: back in two thousand and twelve. To be perfectly honest, 843 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,480 Speaker 1: his behavior is so very different from that which I 844 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,040 Speaker 1: am accustomed to in the people that are around me. 845 00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,640 Speaker 1: That's very difficult to to say one way or another. 846 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,799 Speaker 1: I think he has um or he appears to have 847 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:54,160 Speaker 1: a very large paranoia streak going through him. Uh. I 848 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,319 Speaker 1: think if what he says, if he sincerely believes what 849 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:04,239 Speaker 1: he says, he's probably more paranoid than needs to be. 850 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,080 Speaker 1: He seems to suggest that there are lots and lots 851 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,280 Speaker 1: of people all out to get him all the time. 852 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,480 Speaker 1: And I'm not sure he's really that important in the 853 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,480 Speaker 1: grand scheme of things. I don't know that he's as 854 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,560 Speaker 1: important as he uh seems to to think he is. 855 00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,000 Speaker 1: But that's my own personal opinion, and it's all based 856 00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,640 Speaker 1: on things that are reported in the media. It may 857 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,359 Speaker 1: be that if I had a conversation with the man, 858 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,279 Speaker 1: I would go back and say, no, he's very much 859 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,800 Speaker 1: a genuine person and his fears are warranted. But based 860 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,279 Speaker 1: upon my limited perspective, that's kind of the feeling I 861 00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,799 Speaker 1: end up getting um And again, you never know who 862 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,680 Speaker 1: to believe in these things, but it's definitely one of 863 00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,839 Speaker 1: the strangest stories I've ever looked into with technology and 864 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,320 Speaker 1: definitely worth looking into it. As an update, I'll continue 865 00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,479 Speaker 1: to keep an eye but on McAfee because I'll want 866 00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:00,000 Speaker 1: to see that this mini series. There was also supposed 867 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:04,400 Speaker 1: to be a Dateline special. Uh, The Real Blacklist is 868 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,680 Speaker 1: a series on Dateline where they did folks. They would 869 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:12,200 Speaker 1: focus on various weird stories, crime stories, and there was 870 00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,600 Speaker 1: going to be one on on John McAfee and it 871 00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,440 Speaker 1: was talked about way back in March of but I 872 00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,319 Speaker 1: haven't found any information on the actual episode, and I 873 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,080 Speaker 1: don't know if it just never aired or if for 874 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,919 Speaker 1: some reason it's not popping up in search. I don't know, 875 00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,799 Speaker 1: So if you have come across that episode, send it 876 00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,120 Speaker 1: to me tech stuff at how stuffworks dot com because 877 00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,399 Speaker 1: I would love to see it. I really did look 878 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,960 Speaker 1: for it for this episode, but could not find the 879 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,920 Speaker 1: actual one. So if you happen to have that, let 880 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,440 Speaker 1: me know. I'll check it out because I want to 881 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,480 Speaker 1: hear more about this and find out if there's any 882 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,640 Speaker 1: other information to really kind of glean some light on 883 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:56,200 Speaker 1: this stuff. All right, hold the presses. I recorded this update. 884 00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,920 Speaker 1: I had all that information I added in you know 885 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,880 Speaker 1: we threw in that at twenty minutes segment of a 886 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,360 Speaker 1: classic tech Stuff podcast. It was ready to go, it 887 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,640 Speaker 1: was in the can, it was prepared to publish, and 888 00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:14,480 Speaker 1: then of course Mr McAfee goes and does something else crazy. 889 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,000 Speaker 1: So after I wrapped up the recording of that update, 890 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,360 Speaker 1: McAfee then declared that he intended to run for president 891 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,160 Speaker 1: of the United States in two thousand and sixteen, and 892 00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,160 Speaker 1: that he would be founding a new party, so he 893 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,560 Speaker 1: would not be running as either a Democrat or a Republican. Instead, 894 00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,600 Speaker 1: he will have a new party, which by the time 895 00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,239 Speaker 1: this episode goes out he may have named, but as 896 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,480 Speaker 1: I am recording right now, it is so far an 897 00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,600 Speaker 1: unnamed party. But I figured I had to throw that in. 898 00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,799 Speaker 1: It would have been ridiculous to have an update on 899 00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,600 Speaker 1: McAfee and leave out the tiny fact that he is 900 00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,240 Speaker 1: going to run for president. And why is he running 901 00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,960 Speaker 1: for president? Well, he says that the main reason is 902 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:02,520 Speaker 1: because he feels that the candidates running for president have 903 00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:07,560 Speaker 1: been for years completely ignorant when it comes to technology, 904 00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,120 Speaker 1: and he feels that technology is playing an ever increasingly 905 00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:15,120 Speaker 1: important role in our lives, and that whomever is leader 906 00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,560 Speaker 1: of the United States needs to have an innate understanding 907 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:23,240 Speaker 1: of technology in order to be an effective leader. Uh 908 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,720 Speaker 1: that sounds pretty you know, reasonable on some levels. I'm 909 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:32,280 Speaker 1: just not sure if McAfee is supposed to be the guy. Um, 910 00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,479 Speaker 1: I don't know. He's had a pretty crazy life, as 911 00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,640 Speaker 1: we have explored. But why do you, guys think? I'm 912 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,200 Speaker 1: curious to hear what your thoughts are on the subject. 913 00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,720 Speaker 1: Right me at tech stuff at how stuff works dot com. 914 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,960 Speaker 1: Tell me what you think about McAfee's bid for presidency. 915 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,880 Speaker 1: Do you think it's sincere? Do you think it's just 916 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,880 Speaker 1: a cry for attention? Do you think he makes good points? 917 00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,200 Speaker 1: Would you vote for him? I want to hear from you, guys, 918 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,200 Speaker 1: and now I gotta say goodbye. I will talk to 919 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,560 Speaker 1: you next week. I hope you have a great one 920 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:16,120 Speaker 1: and you'll hear from me again. Really So for more 921 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,440 Speaker 1: on this and balthands of other topics, is it how 922 00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:28,720 Speaker 1: staff works dot com