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432
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 1: like Rudy Ford when he became available, and these guys

433
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 1: have you know, those guys combined with the new coordinator

434
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 1: and bisacci and all the experience and everything that he's

435
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 1: brought to the table. The special teams has has completely

436
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,680
Speaker 1: turned around, and the culture is completely different in that

437
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 1: phase of the game. And now that you have Nixon

438
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 1: suddenly breaking kickoff returns and firing everybody up and a

439
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 1: lot of things with the field goal operationist smooth with doubt,

440
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 1: Now everything's not perfect. I mean, the Packers got a

441
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 1: punt block last week, you know, early in the game

442
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 1: against Minnesota. Fortunately they were able to make up for

443
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 1: that and it didn't damage them too much early in

444
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: the ballgame. So there's still there's still plenty to work on.

445
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 1: There's always a lot to work on in that phase.

446
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: But the Packers have made tremendous, tremendous strides in that

447
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 1: area from where they've been the last couple of years.

448
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 1: And I'm speaking with Mike Spofford that the senior writer

449
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 1: for Packers dot dot com does a great job covering

450
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 1: everything Green Bay, Mike, Green Bay, lambeau Field. Obviously, that atmosphere,

451
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 1: it's historic, and I know whenever we play there, it's

452
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,199
Speaker 1: always a terrific atmosphere. Boat with what's on the line,

453
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 1: with it being Sunday night football, I know, head coach

454
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur joked a little bit with you guys on

455
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 1: Monday and pleaded for fans not to sell their tickets

456
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 1: to Lions fans please. But but what do you expect

457
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 1: that atmosphere to be like with with with what's on

458
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 1: the line. Yeah, I mean, it's it's gonna be something special.

459
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: I mean not only not only that, it's that it's

460
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: Sunday night, you know, under the lights, prime time and everything.

461
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 1: But the Packers haven't had the Packers haven't played a

462
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 1: you know, win to get in the last game of

463
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: the regular season type of game since since twenty thirteen,

464
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: when Aaron Rodgers came back from the broken collar bone

465
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: and beat Chicago down at Soldier Field on the uh,

466
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: you know, on the fourth and eight play to Randall Cobb.

467
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,360
Speaker 1: The Packers haven't had a win to get in game

468
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 1: in the last game at home since twenty ten, which,

469
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: of course we all know what the Packers then did

470
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 1: by by winning that game and getting on a run.

471
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Speaker 1: So this is this is unusual territory, and um, and

472
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Speaker 1: I expect the fans the fact that the Packers have

473
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Speaker 1: turned their season around the way they have and that

474
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: the opportunity to get a win and get into the

475
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: playoffs and be going into the playoffs on a role

476
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: and and you know, and peeking and playing really good football.

477
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 1: I think that's going to energize these fans. I expect that.

478
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: I expect the fans to really bring it Sunday night.

479
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Speaker 1: What are the Packers play coaches saying about this matchup

480
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 1: with Detroit? Obviously Week nine, the teams faced in Detroit

481
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 1: Ford Field, kind of a sloppy game, you know, fifteen nine,

482
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: not like Aaron Rodgers on characteristic he threw three interceptions

483
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 1: in that game. But I'm curious, you know, what are

484
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: what are what are guys saying about this matchup and

485
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: maybe Detroit in particular, and what and what what problems

486
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: they might present? Yeah, well, there's there's certainly a lot

487
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: of respect for Detroit and and the Packers know what

488
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: they're up against, having had so much trouble moving the

489
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: ball scoring points, uh, you know in Ford Field earlier

490
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Speaker 1: this season. I think one of the biggest things the

491
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Speaker 1: Packers are looking at is is how to handle how

492
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: to handle this Detroit offense. I mean, the last interception

493
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: Jared goff through was in that game at ford Field

494
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: back in Week nine against the Packers. He is on

495
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: a role he's probably playing, you know, on on the

496
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: best like longest stretch of really really good quarterback play

497
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: in his career. And you know, I'm on Ross Saint Brown.

498
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: The Packers know all about him. Jamal Williams his fifteen

499
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: rushing TOUCHDOW. He's almost had a thousand yards now for

500
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: the season. Packers know haul about that guy of course

501
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: as well. And then when they look at when they

502
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: look at the defensive side of the ball, you know

503
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,959
Speaker 1: it's that pass rush, Houston and Hutchinson, you know, the

504
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 1: sacks that they've racked up. I think when the Packers

505
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: look at this game and sort of why they lost

506
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: at ford Field and where the team is now, they

507
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: look at it as okay, Green Bay. Aaron Rodgers has

508
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: to protect the football. You can't have multiple turnovers in

509
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: the red zone in the goal to ghost situations like

510
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: they had in Detroit. And this defense needs to continue

511
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: to take the ball away because that's what's going to

512
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: that's what's going to stimy Jared Goff and that offense.

513
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: So I think the Packers are going to put a

514
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: lot on the turnover battle in this game, and uh,

515
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: and I think they're also hoping that, you know, Keisha

516
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: Nixon and Christian Watson hadn't you know, necessarily hit their stride.

517
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: They weren't really a big part of things in that

518
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: first matchup in Detroit, and so I think they've got

519
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: some things that they feel the Lions have to be

520
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: ready for as well. Yeah, you know that Packers win

521
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: by Detroit in Week nine and that really kind of

522
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,479
Speaker 1: spurred their their their streak of games to uh to

523
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: finish the season and put themselves, um in this spot. So, um,

524
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: it'll it'll definitely be very interesting. Detroit obviously has a

525
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: lot of respect for Aaron Rodgers and and you mentioned it,

526
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: they're playing much better offensively. This run game, um is

527
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: really really good. And then you mentioned the defense in

528
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: the in the takeaways, the fourth best pass defense in

529
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: all the league. Um, so that's a great match up there.

530
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: One last one for you, Mike. The Green Bay Packers

531
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Speaker 1: beat Detroit and claim a playoff spot if what happens

532
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: at lambeau Field Sunday night. Boy, I mean, there's there's

533
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 1: there's so many things that go into this when it's

534
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: two teams that know each other, so well and are

535
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: are are so familiar with one another. I think it

536
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: comes down to even if the Packers defense doesn't doesn't

537
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,239
Speaker 1: necessarily take the ball away from Jared Goff and that

538
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: very explosive offense. I think it comes down to the

539
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: Packers protecting the full wall. I think they lost the

540
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: game in Detroit because of the turnovers, you know, two

541
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 1: interceptions in the end zone and goal to ghost situations.

542
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: Had another one that was that was in the red

543
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: zone area that took a lot of points off the

544
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: board in a game that the Packers only lost by six.

545
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: I think they feel like playing at home. If green

546
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: Day protects the football, I think the Packers are gonna

547
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: like their chances. Well, it should be a fun game.

548
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. You know, ahead of that, Seattle

549
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: obviously has to lose for Detroit for that for that

550
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: to you know, for Detroit to possibly playing to get

551
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: in otherwise did the rule of spoilers. I don't think

552
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: that changes the game a whole lot, Mike, just with

553
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: with what Dan Campbell has talked about and getting these

554
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: guys ready. They'll obviously be a disappointment there for not

555
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: being able to get in, but to be able to

556
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: go into it a division opponent's home and maybe ruin

557
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: their their season the way Aaron Rodgers has done to

558
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: this team for a number of years, I think there

559
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: will still be motivation there. Thank you so much Mike

560
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: for joining me. Great stuff. As always, it should be

561
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: a fun one in lambeau Field Sunday night. Yeah, no

562
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: question about looking forward to it. Thanks for having me. Tim,

563
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: good to see you. Welcome back to the twenty in

564
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: the Huddle podcast presented by Microsoft, and I am very

565
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: happy to be joined by Jamal Williams, starting running back

566
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: six yards shy of one thousand yards fifteen touchdowns on

567
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: the season. But Jamal, let's let's start with something obviously

568
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: a little more serious and what happened Monday night, Um,

569
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: you know with Demarrow Hamlin and were you watching at all?

570
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: And and just kind of take me through kind of

571
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: what you're going through on Monday and the feelings you

572
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: guys still have because you guys are a brotherhood around

573
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: this league. It's a fraternity, right, and just the feelings

574
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: that you guys have about that situation. Oh, I didn't

575
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: I didn't presently watch the game, but the news of

576
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: it spread around so fast that it made me looking

577
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: into it, and I'm just grateful for him to just

578
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: still be alive now, breathing, and just for him. Um,

579
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: as you say, it is a brotherhood. We all play together,

580
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: we all go out there. Of course we want to

581
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: do our best and everything, but we never want to

582
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: see one of our fellow brothers get hurt or injured

583
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: or especially something the mare went through and still going

584
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: through right now. So my heart and my condolences and

585
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: everything goes to his family and to him too, and

586
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: really all we can do right now is just keep

587
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: sitting that love and positive vibes and blessings towards him

588
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: and his family and just let them know that we

589
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: care and we just want him to be healthy and

590
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: be safe and still be here with us. And it's

591
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: great that the news out of Cincinnati on Thursday and

592
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: Buffalo is that, you know, he's doing really really well

593
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: and improving. So obviously great there that those prayers have

594
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: been heard. Yeah, tough subject, but let's kind of transfer

595
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: into football because this is this is a huge week

596
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: for you guys. And look, everybody knows the hard knocked

597
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: speech that you had, and you know you're being pissed

598
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: off about that record and then starting one and six,

599
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: Just how proud of you are you of this football

600
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: team to be where you're at with potentially a playoff

601
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 1: spot on the line week eighteen after the start, You

602
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: guys had to stay the course week after week, just

603
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: keep grinding and to be in this spot. How proud

604
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: of you as a team leader about kind of where

605
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: this team is and what they've gone through this year.

606
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm proud of them of the tenacity and

607
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: just the will and effort of not giving up, of

608
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: not of knowing that you know, things started bad for us,

609
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: but at the same time we could get out of

610
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: this hole still and still make a playoff run like

611
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: while we're doing now. So it just all starts with

612
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: the mentality of just everybody of understanding we need to

613
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: be a team, we need to stay together, and yet

614
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 1: we just all need to do our individual part on

615
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: the team and do our role. And this is how

616
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: we got here just doing our role, and that makes

617
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: a whole team right there. In your role being a tough,

618
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: physical runner but also a guy that could bust out

619
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: big runs, we've seen some of those fifty plus yard runs,

620
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: ninety four yards, what a thousand yards mean to you,

621
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: Oh man, my first thousand. It means so much to

622
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: me just because of everything I've been through being in

623
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: the league. I feel just six years in and this

624
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: is gonna be the first time I get a thousand.

625
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a tremendous accomplishment for me. And I'm

626
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: just grateful because the first thing I think about is

627
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: just all the hard work I do in the off season,

628
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: just training and getting ready for every season and then

629
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: coming in and it's just happening. So I just try

630
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: to you know, when it's time to think about it all,

631
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna think about it. But right now, I just

632
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: I try to just stay focused on the present, focus

633
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: on my teammates and my coaches and just everybody on

634
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: this team to make sure that we go as far

635
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: as we want to go. And it starts with everybody's

636
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: doing an individual part. So for me, I just like

637
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: to just come to work, put my head down and

638
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: work and make sure that I'm make sure I do

639
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: my job. So but I'm just grateful for everything. I

640
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: think the line I think the receivers tight ends all

641
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: the time about you know, getting me to where I'm

642
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: at right now and about the clips over a thousand

643
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: is something I've been waiting for for a while. So

644
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: talk about that offensive line a little bit more though,

645
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: because I know Matt Lafleur, the coach of Green Bay,

646
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: was talking this week and he was asked about the

647
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: offense and he said, look, there's Philadelphia and there's Detroit

648
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: when it comes to the best offensive lines in the

649
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: game and being able to run behind that line all

650
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: season long. Just how much credit to you give do

651
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: you give to those big guys up front for helping

652
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: you kind of get to the point where you're at

653
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: where you can get a thousand yards and sixteen touchdowns

654
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: served more potentially, Oh, I give a lot of credit

655
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: to them. I mean, they do a great job and

656
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: they're there. They're in there every play like they don't

657
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: get a sub they don't get to come out, you

658
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: know what I mean. They got to maul it out,

659
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: ball out the whole game. So and for them to

660
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: keep that tenacity through the whole game for the week eighteen. Now, yeah,

661
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: Week eighteen is mostly more mental focused and you know,

662
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: making sure that you want to you want to be

663
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: there for us and every linement that that's on this

664
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: team right now is just great. They work so hard,

665
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: they work to be here, they're grateful to be here,

666
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: and at the same time, like they're working to know

667
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: that if they give us just a little hole right

668
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: here and there, or just block their person for this

669
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: amount of seconds, that we're gonna make something big happening.

670
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: And that's what's just what we've been doing. The running

671
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: back group just honestly, it's just grateful for the lineman,

672
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: tight ends and the receivers. Just everything they do is

673
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: one hundred percent effort selfless, Like they could be selfish

674
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: players and not put their bodies on the line to

675
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: help us, you know what I mean, or they can

676
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: just worry about passing the white receivers divas on this team, Yeah,

677
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: there's none of that. Like nobody is saying like, oh

678
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to block us, you know where my

679
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: catch is gonna come from. This is really a selfless

680
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: offense and a selfless team in general. So we just

681
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: enjoying the time. We're just letting all the weapons go

682
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: and you know, our line is doing a great job

683
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: protecting jg letting them get the balls off could get

684
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: them off the ball. The double teams game to linebackers

685
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: and specials to the second level, and then after that

686
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: they let us get loose. Four thousand passing yards two

687
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: thousand rushing yards for this offense never been done in

688
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: Chise history. I mean, that's how explosive, that's how great

689
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: you guys have been offensively as a collective unit. Um,

690
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: and you're you've been a big part of that. I

691
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: was just curious when you were watching the film of

692
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: your big run last week, did you see Jared running

693
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: down the sideline at the end? Yeah? Did you see it?

694
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: You know, we talked to him. He said, I just

695
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: wanted to sell because I thought that was sixteen and

696
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to celebrate with him in the end zone.

697
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: That's what Jared said about that. When you when you

698
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: see that, you're in a film room and you see

699
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: your quarterback doing that, running down the side just because

700
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: he wants to celebrate with you in the end zone. Um.

701
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: You know, Jared's taken obviously a lot of criticism throughout

702
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: his career, but I think he's played his best football

703
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: of his career. A big reason why you guys are

704
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: at this spot, and to have a quarterback like that

705
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: running down the sideline on in the game just because

706
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 1: he wants to celebrate with you at a big moment.

707
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: What does that mean to you? It just sells how

708
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: selful that this team is and how many, how many

709
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: any good guys we have on this team that care

710
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: for one another and really just want everybody to let's succeed.

711
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: And it's just fun to be on a team like

712
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: this that doesn't care about who is making the plays.

713
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: But as long as we make it plays and we

714
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: sell the brate together, we're great. I didn't even see

715
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: JJ until I got up. I'm like, I looked up,

716
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: I looked all right, right, Yet, why are you on

717
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: the field because he wanted to sea? I mean at

718
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: the time, I couldn't do that. I just laughing at everybody.

719
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: But it seems like this team is really like you

720
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: talked about. It's a close knit group, and I think

721
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: you have to be to get to this point in

722
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: the season. And look at you bring it every week

723
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: and you're one of those guys that is focused on

724
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: the job at him. Is there any extra motivation for

725
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: you at all with this being ingreen Bay. Obviously you

726
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: started your career there. Um, you know they drafted a

727
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: running back, moved on and you found a great situation

728
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: here in Detroit, But is there is is it any

729
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: extra motivation for you? Or is the motivation just winning

730
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: Week eighteen and putting yourself in a spot where you

731
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: could potentially make the playoffs or is there a little

732
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: extra juice for this one for you? Um? I think more.

733
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: My professional side once tells me to this is just

734
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: Week eighteen, another game of us winning to make it

735
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: to the playoffs and just keep our season alive and

736
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: to hopefully go to the super Bowl. And then it's

737
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: like it's there. My child side is like, yeah, there's

738
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: this bonus that we can do all that and yeah,

739
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: but I'm just I'm just honest that job to stay

740
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: in the present and not overhype myself because I that's

741
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: what I've learned growing up. Now as like I over

742
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: I over get excited about things, and then when it's

743
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: time for the actual event that happened, I'm low key

744
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: kind of exhausted already. Yeah. So now I've been doing

745
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: all this year, I've literally been like be en up

746
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: to game day, I literally be chill and I and

747
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: I try to keep myself calm. But whatever you've been doing,

748
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: keep doing it, because it's been, it's been, it's been great.

749
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: You're having a terrific season. How much you're looking forward

750
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: to that big stage, meaningful game in December, landbou Field,

751
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: I mean it should be an exciting atmosphere, right, Oh yeah, honestly,

752
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: it's Honestly, it's just look what God has done. You know,

753
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: perfect situation of getting honestly swifts at this after the

754
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: game that you know you got six yards to get

755
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: to a thousand to to well one to tie to

756
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: to break it, and you get to do it in

757
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: Green Bay. He like, look what God has done. I'm like,

758
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: you absolutely right, honestly, So I'm just grateful for these opportunities.

759
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: I'm blessed to have players on this team that like

760
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: care for each other. We can help each other, We

761
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: embrace each other and just try to lift each other

762
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: up and make each other better every day. And it

763
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: doesn't even have to be in football, but just as

764
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 1: a person, your personality, how you talk to other people,

765
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: how you treat other people, all that can be chains

766
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: and it starts with your mental but it also helps

767
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: when you have other people who are doing the same

768
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: thing as to want to be better people and be

769
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: better friends. And just you know, communicate better because trust me,

770
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't even like talking. Well, that's why

771
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: I love doing That's why I'm glad you're doing this

772
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: because it lets people know a little bit more about you.

773
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: And look, you've had a great season. There's been a

774
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: great interview. Go get six yards, get a touchdown, and

775
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: go get the wings. How about that for sixteen? I

776
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: love it. Jamal Williams appreciate it. Welcome back to the

777
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: Twin in the Huddle podcast presented by Microsoft. Is now

778
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: time for the bet MGMs Key Matchups. I welcome in

779
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: Justin Rogers, who does a great job covering everything lines

780
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: for the Detroit News. And Justin, this is how this work.

781
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: It's it's five key matchups. We'll kind of just go

782
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: through each one. We'll talk a little bit at our

783
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: analysis and we'll go from there. And let's start with

784
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: a big one to me, and it's Aaron Rodgers first,

785
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: Jared Goff obviously, the two quarterbacks, and I think this

786
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: one comes down to, you know, who plays better amongst

787
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,479
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks. You look at the first matchup Week nine

788
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers with the three interceptions, that was the

789
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: difference in that football game. So yeah, I think whichever

790
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: one of these guys makes the less mistakes can find

791
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: ways to make big plays. I think that that's maybe

792
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: who wins. What do you like about this matchup? Look,

793
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: every NFL season has its weird, strange things happening right now,

794
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: Jared Goss playing like Aaron Rodgers historically has taking care

795
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: of the football, and Aaron Rodgers is kind of more

796
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: of the mistake prone quarterback. He's got the most interceptions,

797
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: I think, and since his first full season as a starter,

798
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: Goff has two hundred ninety straight passes without interception. You know,

799
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: it holds the NFL record for consecutive pasts without interception

800
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: is Tom it's Aaron Rodgers? Is it really four or

801
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: two passes? And so, you know, I think that was

802
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: really epitomized in the first Lions game, right right through

803
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: three picks. They were all, you know, in the end

804
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: zone area, a couple of bad decisions. We're just so

805
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: uncharacteristic to everything we've ever seen from Aaron Rodgers. Certainly

806
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: the lines are not sleeping on this guy. But if

807
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: you can continue to make him make mistakes or at

808
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: least not kill you, their four game winning streak. His

809
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 1: numbers aren't great. You know, I was expecting to look

810
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: and see that he had turned to season around. His

811
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: passer rating during these four wins eighty seven. I mean

812
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: that would still be bottom half of the NFL. So

813
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: this is not so much an Aaron Rodgers led team

814
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: as a complete Packers team. I think if you keep

815
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers in check, you can stick in this one

816
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: and win the game. Complimentary football, no doubt, That's what

817
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell talks about all the time, and what Detroit

818
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: has done well during the seven and two stretch, and

819
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: that's really what's been the catalyst behind the Packers four

820
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: game win streak is look twelve turnovers or twelve takeaways.

821
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: The defense has gotten obviously, special teams has gotten a

822
00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,280
Speaker 1: big boost from Nixon, and so they're playing complimentary fall.

823
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: And when you look at Jared, he's top six in

824
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: the NFL. I don't know fans realize this, but you

825
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: look at yards rating, touchdowns, I mean he's in the

826
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: top top five type top six rating. He's playing the

827
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 1: best stretch of football in his career. And that's why

828
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: this is such a huge matchup. And I liked your

829
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: point about he's playing like Aaron Rodgers used to play.

830
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: Taking care of the football is huge. He hadn't thrown

831
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: an interception since the Screen Bay game week nine. Right that,

832
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: the flaws of Jared Golf's resume are are clear, I

833
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: mean even established over his career. You know, sometimes a

834
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: poor decision maker and you know, maybe not the best

835
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: deep ball thrower, both those things. He is temporarily rectified

836
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: as the right term. But during this stretch the deep

837
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: ball has been there. They've been very explosive with the

838
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: passing game, and the interceptions are gone. And you do

839
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: that as a quarterback with everything else just being you

840
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 1: know what it is normally for him, You're gonna play

841
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: very very well. All right, let's flip do another one.

842
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: David Baktiari their left tackle, you know, really one of

843
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: the better left tackles in the game against James Houston.

844
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: And look, justin, I don't think either of us could

845
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: have predicted that that James would have the start. We

846
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: could not have this in week nine, the last time

847
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: these two teams played. I mean, a guy who was

848
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: on the practice squad for the first ten games of

849
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: the season, Um, you know, gets his chance because of

850
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: some injuries. Charles Harris, Julian Aquia, they get hurt, so

851
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: he gets his opportunity right, and talk about a young

852
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: man taking advantage of his opportunity. I mean, no NFL

853
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: players recorded eight sacks in their first six games. James

854
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: Houston has and I mean just the bend. He's got

855
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: the burst. He really looks like he might be something.

856
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: And when you look at baktr I mean he's been

857
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: a staple on the left side for them for a

858
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: long time. No sacks, no quarterback hits allowed in ten games.

859
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: I know he's battled injury too, but this to me

860
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: looks like a great matchup. But I know we're gonna

861
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: see eight and on that side too. But what do

862
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: you like about about this matchup? Where's it going to

863
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: be tough for James and maybe to get some hay. Yeah,

864
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: you know, at this perfect time for this question, I

865
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: spent yesterday and the day before going through all hundred

866
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: or so of Houston snaps to really kind of understand

867
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: what was working well for him. Uh, he does rush

868
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: off that side almost exclusively. Right now. You know, it's

869
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: about eighty ninety, so I think that is going to

870
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: be the matchup. Um, what makes him so good is

871
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: he does have a versual set of past rush whos.

872
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: But the bend is just is preposterous. I mean, like

873
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: it's he's like a gumby out there right, Like he

874
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: can get so low and he's he's not a huge guy,

875
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: he's you know, two forty six, two sixty three, like

876
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: he can he can get low and get under these tackles,

877
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: and he's got this little bit of a stutter step

878
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: and then he just dips and these guys can't handle it.

879
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,479
Speaker 1: The one time that I saw him struggle a little

880
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: bit for a stretch was a second and third quarter

881
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: of the Jets game. At that point, he's playing, you know,

882
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: twenty snaps a game. It's a fifteen snap stretch those

883
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: two quarters. He's going against Dayne Brown, and that's that's

884
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: a good offensive tackle. He's got two hundred plus stars

885
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: in this league. And look at he's a little long

886
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: in the tooth now at at thirty seven years old.

887
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: But you know, he's seen it all, you know, And

888
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: and there's a reason the Jets brought him in. He's

889
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: that veteran. So I look at Bactr. That's that's an

890
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: elite offensive tackle. Um This is going to be a

891
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: very big test for James Houston. I wouldn't be surprised

892
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: if he gets kept off the stat sheet. But he

893
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: is that kind of guy that just keeps chip chip chip,

894
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: Why chopping wood if he will? And you know, maybe

895
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: he gets stymied. Are put on the ground for twenty

896
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: straight steps and then you know it just takes one

897
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: or two. And it seems like when he gets one,

898
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: like he builds on it really quickly. And in that

899
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: Brown matchup fourth quarter, end of the game, Jets are driving.

900
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: It's you know, they're they're trying to tie or win

901
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: that game. He gets through twice, he beats a double team,

902
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: and then he gets around Brown one on one, dips

903
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 1: that same dip on the outside shoulder. Two QB hits

904
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: in those crucial moments, So you know he figured something out.

905
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: This is gonna be a really good learning experience if

906
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: nothing else for James Houston. All right, let's flip to

907
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: this one. Christian Watson, who's who you know had a

908
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: slow start for them, the talented wide receiver, second round

909
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: draft pick first Jerry Jacobs. And my point on this

910
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: one is, I don't think it's a coincidence justin that

911
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: this Detroit Lions defen and started playing a lot better,

912
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 1: started playing more consistent football with the return of Jerry Jacobs.

913
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: It's not again overstating that it's it's not just his performance,

914
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: it's the energy he brings, that the swagger, the confidence

915
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: he brings. I think it kind of does permeate through

916
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: all those guys. Jerry's nickname here is crazy Jerry, and

917
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: he's he's legitimately a wild man like he just he

918
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: talks a ton. He his confidence is through the roof,

919
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: like just there's so much swagger to his game, and

920
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: it it helps him perform at a high level, and

921
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: I think it helps other guys perform at high level.

922
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: And the match up with Watson's facinating. He really is.

923
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: I look at a guy Watson's banged up. I think

924
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: that that works in the lines favor. He had such

925
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: a great stretch there. He's got a hip injury, almost

926
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: didn't play last week, didn't do a whole lot in

927
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: that game. But look at Jerry's numbers, and I understand

928
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: he gives up a play here and there, he commits

929
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: some penalties here there because he's physical as heck. But

930
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: I don't think he's allowed more than eighty yards in

931
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: the game. He has quarterbacks when tarding him are like

932
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: fifty five percent completion percent five point eight pretty good.

933
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: I didn't even look at them, just going off the memory,

934
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: but seventy one rating and zero touchdowns allowed exactly, And

935
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: so like that's what you want. You want a confident,

936
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: physical guy if you're going to have a matchup against

937
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: a big athletic guy, and Watson Usto would be good

938
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: for a long time. Like you saw it coming out,

939
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: just the Calvin Johnson esque combine numbers came from a

940
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 1: college system where was a lot of run blocking. As

941
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: he develops into his skill setting, grows into it with

942
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: some patients, it's gonna be a good one for a

943
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: long time. But Jacob is definitely the guy you want

944
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,479
Speaker 1: on him in this game. I asked Jeffe Coote about

945
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: Jerry ja because he said that guy's a dog. That's

946
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: how he described him. He said, he's just And when

947
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: you look at at Watson and what he means to

948
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: that offense, obviously, when you lose a guy like Davante Adams,

949
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be different. When you built that kind

950
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 1: of chemistry with a wide receiver, speaking of Aaron Rodgers,

951
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: and then you bring all these rookies and young guys in,

952
00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: it's just a little bit different. And I think that

953
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: some time, and I think that was really huge for

954
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: Christian Watch to have that stretch where he had seven

955
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: touchdowns in four games. He brings that big play element

956
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: to that offense, and those four games, I think he

957
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: built a lot of trust with Aaron Rodgers and we're

958
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: seeing that now when he's on the field. Look, when

959
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 1: they want to have a big play in the passing game,

960
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: usually it's Rogers to Watson. So that's why I think

961
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: this is such a key matchup this week because you

962
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: said Jerry will give up a player two, but he's

963
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: gonna fight you, and he's gonna be physical, and he

964
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: hasn't given up a ton of plays at least touchdowns

965
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: this year, So I think that's just gonna be a

966
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: big matchup. Look at the deep pass is still really

967
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: important to what Aaron Rodgers likes to do. A solve

968
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: last week that he averaged with the most air yards

969
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: per attempt in the entire league. And of the guys

970
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: that have Cobbs not that guy anymore. Dobbs that are

971
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: other rookie hasn't really developed in the guy. It's Watson

972
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: is the guy and those as long as they can

973
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: keep him in check, I think they can keep the

974
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: passing game in check overall. All right, speaking of the

975
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: passing game and the guys out wide, let's maybe flip

976
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: the script a little bit and go their talented corner

977
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: Jerr Alexander first, DJ Hark. And when you look at

978
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: Chark over the last month or so, I think he's

979
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: been a real catalyst to this Lion's passing out being

980
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: what it is. He's given them that deep play element

981
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: consistently making plays down the field, and we saw earlier

982
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: in the season him and Jared missed some of those plays.

983
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: And then DJ had that stretch where he was dealing

984
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 1: with the ankle injury, came back, and now they've kind

985
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: of their found their rhythm. I think that that's changed

986
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: entirely this Detroit Lions passing game because they have that

987
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: deep element. But this week, you've got a guy in Alexander,

988
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 1: and we saw it last week when he challenged Justin Jefferson.

989
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: He ended up with one catch for fifteen yards. I mean,

990
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: this is one of the premier cornerbacks in the league,

991
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: a guy very capable of taking away your best weapon.

992
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: I love when a guy talks a talk and then

993
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: goes and walks a book like that. That just tells

994
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: you all you need to know about the player. And

995
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: I ask Campbell about that, and he acknowled the same thing,

996
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: like he can respect and appreciate a competitor at that level.

997
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: Not gonna check my notes again, so good a fact check.

998
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: But six games, I believe twenty catches three hundred ninety

999
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: yards two touchdown, like he has clicked with golf after

1000
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: getting over the ankle injury, getting back into the full

1001
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: swing of things. When you have that deep bell into

1002
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: the past game, it's not just that player. It opens

1003
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: up so much for everybody else. It draws safety, attention,

1004
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: it creates underneath opportunities, and the passing game during that

1005
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: stretch has averaged almost three hundred yards of game. So

1006
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: I think Chark is a really important part of what

1007
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: the Lions do. The nice thing about this is if

1008
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: you look at how Alexander's using Green Bay, he can travel,

1009
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: he doesn't travel often, mostly stays to the right side.

1010
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if against the Lions you want to

1011
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: have him moving. They've got too many versatile weapons. I

1012
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 1: think maybe you just stick with where he's comfortable. Chuck

1013
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: splits his time evenly. Yeah, so I'm really curious to

1014
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 1: see will they move Alexander into the slot on third

1015
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: downs to cover Aman Rad take that away. I would

1016
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: avoid throwing at him very much. He did have a

1017
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: pick in the last matchup. That was one where he

1018
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: was maybe sitting a little bit more on his own.

1019
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: Campbell said, you gotta be aware of where he is

1020
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: at all times. He's a special player. You can't completely

1021
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: avoid him. But let's you know, not making a priority

1022
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: attacking that guy. I think there's there's other opportunities to

1023
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: take advantage of matchups against the screen Bay defense. To

1024
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: your point, sixty four point six passer rating when a

1025
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: Ponty's posing passers attempt at really pass against him, which

1026
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: is pretty dark, really good. You have a sixty four

1027
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 1: point five passer rating any playing quarterback in the NFL

1028
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: for very long, so that that just shows you how

1029
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: good of a cornerback he is. All right, let's finish

1030
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: with this one. And I think this has been kind

1031
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: of a big developing in Green Bay. Is Kissan Nixon,

1032
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: their talented kick returner who's now also their punt returner.

1033
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: Verse lines coverage units, yeah, um and line special teams

1034
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: have been pretty good under Dave Fifth the last last

1035
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: two years. I mean, this year the ten point six

1036
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: average on punt returns twenty six, a little lower than

1037
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: where they've been notoriously, but kickoff's twenty two point two

1038
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: average against that's fourteenth. And but this kid is on

1039
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: a roll right now. Yeah. I mean you look at

1040
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: one hundred and five yard touchdown last week. He had

1041
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: a ninety three yard return the week before he got

1042
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: tackled at the seven yard line, which I'm sure his

1043
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: teammates give gave him some grief about. But look, he

1044
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: leads the NFL thirty point zero yards per carry, leads

1045
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: them in fifty plus yard kickoff returns. I mean, he's

1046
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: he's a weapon for them. And it's weird to be

1047
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 1: talking about that with Green base special teams because that's

1048
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: that's been their achilles heal for so so many years,

1049
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: and now you're talking about them, you know, being a

1050
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: weapon for them. Yeah. I didn't know a whole lot

1051
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: about Nixon heading into this week, so you know, I

1052
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: spent tune. Where do this kid come from? Yah? It's

1053
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: been in the league for three years and he was

1054
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 1: with the Raiders last two years and did not return

1055
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: kicks for them, No, and wanted to you know, they

1056
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: have returned a couple of punts. So credit to Green

1057
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: based personnel department, coaching staff for seeing something, finding something,

1058
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: identifying something and getting this kid involved. And you know,

1059
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: I haven't looked at the situational usage, but his punt

1060
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: return numbers are also ridiculous. I think he's averaging like

1061
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: fifteen yards on seven punt returns. So something new that

1062
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: he's just started. So he's them. So now he's in bold. Yeah,

1063
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: So we talked about throwing away from Alexander. I don't

1064
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: kick to this guy, you know, like I don't look

1065
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: at the lines are in the middle of the pack

1066
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 1: with with touchback percentage, I think that's by design. We've

1067
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: seen that they think that they can gain an advantage

1068
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 1: by with fox and the leg that he has, by

1069
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: putting it in a certain spot with with elevation, with

1070
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: hang time, and and just trying to stop a return.

1071
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 1: At the eighteen nineteen and seven years of field position,

1072
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: it's valuable touchbacks just boom booming right and then with

1073
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: punts like, look, Fox has a monster leg. We know

1074
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: he has a monster leg. We've seen him OutKick his

1075
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: coverage and trust it, you have some excellent, excellent coverage

1076
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: page Josh Woods, Chris Bord. Malcolm Rodriguez is talked abou

1077
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: all the time, and defense entirely underrated as what he's

1078
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: brought to the specialties. I'm sure Dave phipp has not

1079
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: been happy with how good he's my defense because he's

1080
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: lost some specialties. But I'm gonna sacrifice five yards and

1081
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: distance for an extra half second to three quars of

1082
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: a second hang time, let him fair catch it, kick

1083
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: it out of bounce, like, just don't give this kid opportunities.

1084
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: There's there's guys like that in this league. We saw

1085
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: one in Devin Hester for years and years and years.

1086
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't even know how many touch you know,

1087
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: I think Devin Hester is a Hall of Famer in

1088
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: some way, shape or form. You find out. Yeah, there's

1089
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: some guys you just keep it away from them. And

1090
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: that's just the reality of it. And I think that

1091
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: with the level Nixon's playing right now currently, as you

1092
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: mentioned what the tour don't even mess with it, because

1093
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: we talked about the turnovers too, and how big those

1094
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: plays are. When you can get a special teams play,

1095
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: when it's a punt return, a punt block, um, when

1096
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: you get a touchdown off special teams, that is such

1097
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 1: a momentum play. I put it right there with a turnover.

1098
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's one of the hugest plays in

1099
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: the game. So I agree with the one hundred percent

1100
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: keep all away from that and don't let don't let

1101
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: d Nixon you know, get a return touchdown and affect

1102
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: this game. It's not even big plays on special teams

1103
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: like people just ignore how important they are to the

1104
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: course of a team success. You know. Great examples are

1105
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: that the fourteen and two Chargers team that the number

1106
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: one offense or twelve and form sorry number one offense

1107
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: no one defense missed the playoffs because they were the

1108
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: worst special teams in the entire NFL. And then I

1109
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: always point to the Jim Harball San Francisco team. You

1110
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: know that that team had unbelievable special teams punts, coverage,

1111
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: field goals. I think it was a really underrated point

1112
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: to what took them to the Super Bowl. That year

1113
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: that they lost the game. I think to the Ravens

1114
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: like it can just turn a game. So don't San

1115
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: Francisco in the playoffs that they lost that game, right,

1116
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: didn't They have a punt blocked and a field goal

1117
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: block and that the coordinator fired. Yeah, and so their

1118
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: big plays keep it away from him. Indeed, Well those

1119
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: were the bet MGM key matchups. He is Justin Rodgers

1120
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: terrific analysis right there. Um, it's gonna be a fun

1121
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: one in Green Bay on Sunday night in the Justin Yeah,

1122
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: fire up the lights, let's go. Great stuff there from

1123
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: Justin Rodgers and the bet MGM key Matchups segment. Um

1124
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: look Sunday night football, So it's gonna be a late night,

1125
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: but we will have a podcast Monday either way. P

1126
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 1: J Clark join me as we do post game every time.

1127
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: It was a great show. I think this is one

1128
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: of the better ones we did with Mike Tariko, Jamal Williams,

1129
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: Justin obviously and Mike Spofford from Green Bay. It's a

1130
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 1: big matchup Sunday and night. So hopefully we're here next

1131
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: week and we're talking about the playoffs and Lions getting

1132
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: ready for a huge matchup in the NFC Playoff picture