WEBVTT - The Battlin' Fleetwood Macs 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:04.480 Ridiculous Crime is a production of I Heart Radio. Oh, 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:08.440 Elizabeth Dutton, so damn good to see you. Darren Burnett. 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:10.560 What are you doing here? Oh? I was just looking 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:14.360 for plaid socks? Um? Did you had a question for you? 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:18.920 Go ahead? Did you know what's ridiculous? I do? I do? 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:23.160 Stop talking? I do? What is that? There's a guy? Now? 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:25.799 First of all, I'm going to go a little bit. 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:28.720 I'm going to change things up a little bit. This 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:37.400 is not a mash up. I'm sorry, I'm buckled this energy. 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:42.000 This dude in Florida, he was like perusing Facebook, ridiculous 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:45.360 the end now and he's looking in the this like 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:49.760 Rockdale County Sheriff's office has a Facebook page and he's 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:52.720 poking around and they listed their most wanted list for 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:57.280 November and he was bummed because he wasn't on it. 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.760 Almost wanted people just like gift they were asking for. 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:05.800 There wasn't like Amazon work list, like we need croqueys. 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:09.199 And now they they had like their most wanted lists 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:13.440 people of people, most wanted criminals And he's like, I'm 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:16.119 a criminal. I live in this county. I have broken 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:18.640 the law. What's up? I'm top ten quality right here, 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:20.600 come on, don't give me this o your number twelve. 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.800 Instead of just like turning to you know, the people 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:28.920 in his home and saying, guys or you know, sitting 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:31.960 you know, turning to the people the bar, I'm so sad. 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:35.400 Uh No, Instead he posted on their on their wall 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:39.440 and said how about me? Quote? How about me? And 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:41.720 he wasn't being like tongue in Cheeka. No, he was like, 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:44.600 hey man, I'm a criminal. And so then they responded 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:47.560 and they said, quote, you are correct, you have two warrants, 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:49.400 were on the way and they went and arrested him. 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.000 He's like, now I feel better. Yeah, So his social 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:57.920 media addiction led to him blowing his cover. They also 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:00.560 then they posted, we appreciate you for your assistance in 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:05.920 your capture. So yeah, and then then their their statement 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:08.880 on it was our top ten is compiled based off 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.240 the severity of the charges. Only by not being on 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:15.280 this list does not mean our fugitive unit is not 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:18.200 looking for you. If you have an active warrant, why 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:19.960 do they clarify that? They don't need to say that. 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.280 I know right, So anyway, the dummy clause what about me? 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:27.360 All right? What about you? He's the ultimate like, that's 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.480 a pick me. But the guy version he wanted to 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:33.200 feel special, he wanted isn't even lights. So that's ridiculous. 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:34.880 I'll hand you that. Yeah it is. You don't have 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:37.520 to tell me it is ridiculous. Well, if you got 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:40.560 a second, yes, I got a story for you of course. Okay. 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.160 Did you know there was once to Fleetwood Max at 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:46.640 the same time and neither one included Stevie Nicks or 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.880 Lindsey Buckingham. Just still though, that's like, if you get 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:51.880 hit in the head, you see two Fleetwood Max at 0:02:51.880 --> 0:03:16.160 the scene exactly, They're coming at you, Tusk. This is 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:21.320 Ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:28.920 and cons. It's allways nine, murder free and ridiculous. Elizabeth. 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:32.000 I've got a hell of story for you, I hope. 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:33.720 So in this story, by the way, I mean I 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.000 I came all the way down here, I got dressed, Yeah, 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.320 showed up at work. I noticed you You're you're wearing 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:43.000 your best robe and swim flippers. Yeah, this is a 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:46.840 good look. So um. This story, by the way, it 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.760 came to us, or came to me rather from a 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:53.160 tip from a friend of producer Dave's no way, yeah, dude, 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:57.160 Andy Shay or Andy, So thank you Andy, we appreciate 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:01.680 thank you. And now this story is well, let me 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.040 just set the table if you don't. Now you know 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.920 I love the seventies, Yes, I do too. Yeah, we 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.280 share a love for the seventies. And like when I 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:13.840 read about these news stories and I go doing investigations 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:18.520 and do some research, that everything is wilder than I expect. Absolutely, 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:21.000 it just it's like, oh, it starts with the headline 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.479 and then it just spirals into madness, right, and then 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:25.800 it's the whole decade. It doesn't matter which year you pick, 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:27.719 it's I'm like, oh, seventy two was a wild no, no, 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:32.479 the whole And also it was interesting. It's like, you know, 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.000 like I watched a lot of Barney Miller, for instance, 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:36.840 and I use that it as a metric for the 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.120 seventies because of the different crimes that show up and 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.360 how people are and how they react to people in 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.520 the expectations. And it's interesting to me is how drunk 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.479 everybody was just lightly toasted. And it was a joke 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:49.200 like this person has been drunk at work for twenty 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:51.599 years and everybody knows it right, and it's just like, 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:55.440 imagine what that's like if her a whole, like all 0:04:55.440 --> 0:05:01.280 the adults are just lightly buzzing on piles alcohol. Yeah, exactly. Well, anyway, 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.600 it led to a lot of bad decisions ultimately, but 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.800 this is not about bad seventies decisions. This is about 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:13.120 the seventies driving people batty. Okay, right, does that make 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:15.440 does it make sense? What I mean by batty is 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:18.040 like you know, bats in the belfry, Like you're like, 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:19.760 why would it be? Why would you do that? Like 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:23.359 this just makes no sense. Anyway. Now I'm gonna have 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.320 a I'm gonna have actually set as I told you, 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:27.760 set the table, and then as I you know, get 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.040 into the seventies, we'll go first, start with a little 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.760 appetizer and a moose bush as you and the French 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:37.240 would say. Right, do you know about supergroups? Se supergroups? Sure? Yeah, 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:41.680 like Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young. Okay, well, the seventies 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:43.920 is when this kicks off. In fact, Crosby, Stills, Nash 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.520 and Young is considered basically the first super group. And 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:51.320 then I love them, but yeahs songs you like or 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.359 albums like you just like? I like it all I 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.960 love Neil Young and so you know, I love and 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:01.200 I love Crosby Stills Nash so kind of works together. 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:03.599 And then put peanut butter in the chocolate and you're like, 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:05.719 she Sam, there it is. Well, that's a very common 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.200 They found that that marketing works for a lot of people. 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:09.440 They are like, oh, I like this one. I like 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.600 that when you start putting them together. Supergroup, Yeah, well 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.120 like Traveling will Berrious that was that was gonna be 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:19.520 one example. I had um belbav de Vaux. Now you 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:23.600 know right now, okay, another one for you, Temple of 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:26.279 the Dog or Audio Slave some of the same. That 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.040 Temple of the Dog album is good. Yeah, right, like 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.640 I will, I will stand firm in that that is 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:36.679 a good album. You know. It's another basically supergroup led Zeppelin. 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.560 They were all in different groups and Yardbirds and I 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:42.760 don't know British bands like this well, but there's apparently 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:44.560 a band of Joy was a band at that John 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:48.839 Bonham and Robert plant rooined together. Whatever. So my favorite 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.840 example though the supergroup is the Highwayman. Yes, Johnny cash 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:57.560 Waylon Jenny's and Chris Christopherson's kidding me. Yeah, well, I 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.000 want to tell you the story of another supergroup list. 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:02.960 It's called The Mask Marauders. You ever hear of the 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:07.480 Mask Marauders? Well, um, we'll pull from the pages of 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.680 the underground newspaper and culture outlet The Seed for a 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.480 music review dating back to nineteen nine, so I can 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:17.920 really uh let you into the world of the Mask Marauders. 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:22.760 You're ready. Quote the newest Escalation and the never Ending 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:26.360 rock Hype is an album called The Mask Marauders. You'll 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.520 notice a tone They're coming in hot now. That was 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.960 in response to Rolling Stones magazines Pure Purple Prose about 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.600 the supergroup. They had already written a review, and in 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.960 the Rolling Stones review they wrote, quote it can truly 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:40.840 be said that this album is more than a way 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:45.480 of life, It is life heavens. Yeah, you can hear 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:49.440 the hype now. Why you may be asking Zaren why 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.000 such effusive, over the top praise for this group no 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.560 one had ever yet heard of it? Is it a 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.679 nepotism thing? Well, it's because of the lineup. The lineup 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:01.280 reportedly was John the Lennon of the Beatles, Mick Jagger 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.680 of the Rolling Stones, Paul McCartney also the Beatles, and 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:07.160 Bob Dylan of Bob Dylan. I never heard of this, 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:09.200 That's the whole point. So its supposed to be like 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.240 a secret underground recording that they did, a bootleg record, 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.720 off brand, off label, they got together, recorded and a 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:19.640 recording existed. Tell me again, is this so John Lennon, 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:24.360 Paul McCartney, Mick Jagger, Bob Dylan, that many egos in 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:28.040 one room and it doesn't create a supernova and just 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:31.480 like the gravity just sucks into the doors, come flying 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:35.360 and yeah. Well the Rolling Stone called this bootleg record 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.160 the album of the year or the record of the year, 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:41.040 the distinction. But the album drops in nineteen nine. Okay, 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:43.480 right to cross these selves national has already happened. People 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:45.439 were like, oh my god, imagine what another supergroup and 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.480 then boom, they get this as a super People are 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:50.520 going nuts. So they're going to their local record stars, 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.360 like when can I get the Mass Marauders album. They're like, 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.320 what do you mean? You saw the Rolling Stone review? 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:57.360 Like oh yeah, yeah, Like when don't you gonna get it? 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.439 We'll let you know, man, And then the next day, 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.160 hey man, and they need the Mass Marauders. Bro will 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:04.560 tell you when it shows up. They're they're getting like 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.080 hassled about it. You know, it's also getting hassled about 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:10.560 it Warner Brothers. Warner Brothers is like, um, you know, 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.760 they keep hearing about this group that apparently has members 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:16.200 that they have signed. They're like, wait a minute, we 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.320 should be knowing about this. What's going on? And so 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:22.840 then they do a bidding war to buy this album. 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.280 So it was a bootleg. It didn't. It was not. 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:29.440 It was not. It wasn't on studio dollars. So normally 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:31.840 a recording will be like, hey, we'll give you the 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.480 money to record your album and then we own the 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.480 masters and all that justn't done that way. The masters 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.400 suddenly are created as this bootleg recording got it because 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:42.559 I was just wondering, Like in the reviews, they usually 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:46.199 tell you who the music publisher, like who's exactly? So 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:48.520 they just reviewed this bootleg album and they and the 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.280 demand grows and they have to make it a legit. 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:55.600 It was like the Gray album from like where Danger 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:57.319 Mouse went out and he takes the jay Z and 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.520 the Beatles matches. That makes this album. So he couldn't 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.520 release that one. He legally was not allowed to. But 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:04.560 imagine if he could because Warner Brothers says, hey, we'll 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:09.319 release them. That's essentially what happened right now. November ninety nine, 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:12.160 after Warner Brothers wins the bidding war amongst all the 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:16.000 other labels, this album comes out, It gets released legitimately, 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.480 and it has this really modest cover because it's like, oh, there's, 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.760 as you said, these big egos. Who gives you how 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:23.600 are you gonna list them? You're going to get the 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.320 big picture. So they have nothing, there's no there's no 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:30.200 names on the album. It's just this bland cover. But 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.760 everybody knows like, oh, it's like this wink of like, oh, 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.880 that's pretty cool that they did themselves right. So there's 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:38.600 this power of hype and mystery all coming together. The 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:42.640 Mass Marauder album sells a hundred thousand copies right makes 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.439 it onto the Billboard charts. In the liner notes, there 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:47.400 is though a kind of like winking nod, like hey, 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:49.040 let's let people in on it. And they are like 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:51.880 and I quote leading experts and now estimate the music 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:57.000 business is currently hype and the Mass Marauders, bless their hearts, 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:04.760 have gone far beyond that. Yeah, people, it's all sorry. 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:07.560 They had crossed basically the Rubicon at this point, and 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:12.400 the Rolling Stone reviews, right, they had been faked. They 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.720 were not a real review. There was no initial album. 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:20.520 The Rolling Stone. They put out this like review of 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:22.760 an album that never existed to make fun of the 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:24.520 fact that people are so into the hype, and then 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:26.440 the hype becomes something and then they end up making 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:31.000 an album actually comes outrank review that they Mick Jagger, 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.080 John Lennon and Paul mcgartney, Bob Dylon. They were never 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:37.400 in the studio together. Your read was spot you know this, 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.280 And so the album this joke, this travesty, this travish 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:44.880 yam mockery, it becomes legally a questionable because once the 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:47.480 Warner Brothers finds out it's not actually who they paid 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.560 for talking fraud, right, right, So how did they get 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.880 this band hoax past Warner Brothers? And how did you 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:55.000 get past all the music lovers everyone's supposed be supposed 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:56.960 to be the coolest people who know about this, like 0:11:57.040 --> 0:12:01.400 impersonators on the record? Are they impersonators on the actual 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:05.160 record that people thought? Okay, well, I'll explain, okay, okay, 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:06.480 I like to get right to the heart of it. 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:10.439 Is music mine? Well, Okay, it starts with Rolling Stones. 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.679 As I told you, the Rolling Stone writers, they did 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:16.520 a fake review and Grail Marcus remembered, right, and I quote, 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:18.680 it was late. I was tired and I've been sitting 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.160 around talking with my friend about how stupid all the 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:24.960 then so called super session albums were so grayl He 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.320 wants to make fun of these cash grab supergroups, right, 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.880 So he's like, how how do we do that. He's like, well, basically, 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.040 let's see, I'll just come up with one. So he 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:36.240 invents the Mass Marauders and so he gets the you know, 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:40.040 he takes from Terry Southern U a Terry Southern novel 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:42.760 called The Magic Christian that becomes his pen name. So 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.199 he writes the review as T. M. Christian, right, and 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.439 then so that's like his first little wink. And then 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:49.960 Grail Marcus goes and he writes up his review and 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.040 he shows it to Jan Winner. It's like late at night. Dan, 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:53.720 He's like, hey man, look what I did. And he's 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:55.920 like Jan Winners like, oh man, this is hilarious. So 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.400 the publisher of Rolling Stones like, we got to do 0:12:58.480 --> 0:12:59.960 more of these. He's like, how many can you get 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.560 before we do our next edition, like I don't know, 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.600 so they start writing up more. Grail writes a ton 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:09.040 of fake reviews right now. In October eighteenth, nine nine 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.480 issue A Rolling Stone comes out, they run the first 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.880 review of the bootleg album from the Mass Marauders, and 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:17.280 Grail recalls later and I quote again, it was just 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.719 an attempt to say this is stupid, and let's make 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.760 it even stupider. So it's likely hit the gas on 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:24.800 it right now for those who may be a little 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.199 suspicious and in on the joke. There were plenty of 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.640 winks and nods, as I told you earlier. But in 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.080 the other Liner Knows, there's things like they talk about 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.360 how the album was recorded in a small town near 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:37.079 the site of the original Hudson Bay Colony in Canada, 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.600 so it's all pressed trying to be like a big 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:43.040 pink Yeah, there you go. Nice. So they all of 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:46.440 a suddenly have other oddities in there because apparently Paul 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:51.720 McCartney sings Mammy the Al Jolson songs, How did anyone 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.520 think this was real? Big Jaggers sings a song I 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:58.880 Can't get No Nookie. So yeah, now obviously you're you're on. 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:00.880 None of us is true, and uh, but they now 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.640 still have to make this album. Someday somebody's singing as 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:07.080 Paul McCartney singing, Mammy, there is somebody singing as Mick 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:10.000 Jaggers singing, I can't get no nookie. So how do 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:12.760 you do this? Well, if you don't give a you know, 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.080 you already said, look, we don't care about propriety, right, 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:17.160 So Graham Marcus and the Rolling Stones guys were like, look, 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.800 you know, we're already way ahead of y' Allso they 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:21.440 just run with it and they're like, look, we gotta 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.080 get this album out. So they hire some friends from 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:26.560 a Berkeley area band and the band is Cleanliness and 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:30.240 Godliness Skiffle Band, and they're like, so they hire their 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.480 friends and they record a bunch of sessions and they 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.280 again give those master tapes to Warner Brothers, and Warner 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.920 Brothers puts it out, and that's and them not knowing 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:41.120 at the time. Right. So then that undergone newspaper that 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:44.120 I told you about before the seed, they wrote the 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.480 real review of the fake album that pretty much unmasked 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:50.880 the mass marauders, right, So they note that this was 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.280 done by members of the band Cleanliness and Godliness Skiffle 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:57.640 band like they even named the Small Berkeley band. They 0:14:57.680 --> 0:14:59.440 do it good. They're like, who did and I quote 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.120 a fair stations of Dylan and Jaggers. They want to 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.080 be like the music lover's music lovers. Now this grand 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.640 hoax finally gets revealed, and so now we are wondering 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.200 are there gonna be charges of fraud filed against these writers? 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.000 Wonder Brothers is like, you know what, Look, we're not 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.280 in the business of selling truth. We're in the business 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:18.960 of selling records. We sold records there for us. As 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:22.080 long as they don't lose money, there ye no charges filed. 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:24.000 And if you were curious about any of this, you 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.280 can go on eBay and I found the I Can't 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.320 Get No Nookie single, I couldn't find Mammy and I 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:32.920 go I did find I Can't get So they released 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:37.040 them as singles too, just as exactly forty five records. 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:38.840 You can get a forty five record thread on there, 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:41.680 drop the needle on here at yourself. Now to bring 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:43.880 things full circle, as you pointed out, there were the 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.200 Traveling Wilberries, which means a beatle that did create a 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:50.720 supergroup with Bob Dylan. So George Harris and Bob Dylan 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.600 don Was and Tom Petty they'll get together booms and 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:57.920 now you get your don't forget and of course Royal. 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:04.520 So there it is. That's amazing. That's our moves. Bush 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.920 a main course. Yes, well let's take a little break. 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:11.640 I'm want to refresh myself and then we'll get deep 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:37.120 into it. Alright, Elizabeth, I've promised you the entree of today. Yes, 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.800 I'm so excited for this. Talk in your napkin. Girl, 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:42.680 it's about to get sloppy. It's okay. Now, did you 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.680 know that Fleetwood Mac, which is the star of our show, 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:49.240 is not named after Mick Fleetwood. It's not. It's not 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.160 named after Christine McVie either. I thought that's what it 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.040 was like, Fleetwood Mac. Like I've always lived under the 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:58.000 assumption that. I mean, I don't think about it often 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:02.600 at all, but like if you ask me, wait, so 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.920 did they call themselves Fleetwood Magnetic? We really need someone 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.440 the Fleetwood have been here? No, and also make Fleetwood 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.400 didn't change his name to match, which is another possibility. 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.199 And I was like, no, I just assume they've been 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:18.240 in England. They're like, hey, we're Fleetwood Mac, Christine and Halen. 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.000 They come to America get famous. They're like, hey, Lindsay, 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:23.680 Stevie joined us and then boom blow up. I didn't ever, 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.359 but that's not their story. Like apparently it's from a 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:28.840 song written by somebody else who later joined the band. 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:31.960 And they're like, yeah, that's Fleetwood Mac. So that was 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:34.800 lyrics and the song was the name of a song. Yeah, 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.800 I'll explain it to you. It comes in. Yeah, it's 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.879 a whole thing. So I am embracing myself to this one. 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.800 Well Fleetwood Mac. As you know, it's hard to define, capture, 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.439 wrap your arms around. It's just a ball of mess 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:52.199 and energy and desire. Chaos exactly. It's a little chaos engine, right, 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.800 but also it sounds legendard to capture. It starts as 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:57.520 a blues band and it changes. I mean it's it's 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:01.120 like four bands and one right now, just to kind 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.919 of like let people know how wild the band is. 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.280 Like people think of Stevie Nicks, and we're gonna talk 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:08.879 about Stevie Nicks because I got a little story for 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:11.560 you about Stevie Nicks. You're ready, witch, I'm ready. So 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:13.680 this story is about a million dollars worth of cocaine, 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.960 Hitler's train and learning how to be coke with your butt. 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:22.160 You're ready. You want to know why you shouldn't do coke. 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:27.359 Here's why Exhibit B and Exhibit CE. Alright, Elizabeth, if 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:29.480 I said the word cocaine, then I said, Stevie Nicks. 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:33.560 You would next say, of course, and the other ones 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.760 I would say, is but cocaine because known for this 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:38.439 and what do I mean by buck cocaine is it 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.280 refers to the time when Steven Knicks firs joint Fleetwood mix. 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.000 She was She was a good girl. She was not 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.000 someone who's doing a lot of drugs. She gets into 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:46.920 the fast life. She's like, hey, I like this cocaine. 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:49.680 This stuff so alright, come sitting next to me. Cocaine Now. 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.200 She loved it so much she burns all like a 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:55.280 dime sized hole in her septum. Right, So those is 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.960 like unable for her to do the snorting she wants. 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:00.520 But she's like, but I still love the cocaine, So 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:02.520 how do I get it into my body? She's like, well, 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.600 I do have this personal assistant. They have to do 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:07.919 what I asked him to do. So they came up 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:10.600 with an ingenious and I say ingenious, loosely way to 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:12.840 get the cocaine into a system. Do you know how? 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:16.440 I do know how. I'll let you share. That was it. 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:20.960 She had the assistant blow it up for tutor. Yes, exactly. 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:23.800 She got like a straw right right there in the 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:25.440 poop shoot and then I don't know. This is the 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:27.119 part of that makes sense to me, is so you 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:29.200 loaded up in the straw on one end and then 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:31.320 like I guess, like hold it in balance and then 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.680 insert the straw and then blow. Yeah. I was trying 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:40.920 to work out the dynamics anyway, she reverse siphoning of gasoline. Yeah, 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:42.320 but it just seemed like do you want to get 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:43.640 it in the middle of the straw? So I mean 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.320 you're going it was I think you probably loaded at 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:50.040 the front end of the straw in there just cramp, 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:53.000 just shove it and ram it on it like sneezer. 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:55.200 You had that moment you're like and you like suck 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:56.840 it back in. Well, no, I think you take a 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:58.439 deep breath with your thumb over it and then you 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.240 blow into the but you don't want to put too 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.280 much air and then it's sprays back out at you. 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:10.560 I'm now I'm overthinking what happened? Okay, so but like 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:17.439 one of those like um fireplace, what's that called for 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:21.920 stokers from? What are those things called the accordion? Stoker bellows, bello, 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:25.000 there you go, thank you producer. Day just but then 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:27.399 it's like too much pressure and then it all shoots 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:33.359 back up and everyone's cocaine ever in a fine dust. Well, 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:36.840 keeping the fine dust aside for a second. The I 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:41.560 promise you Hitler's Hitler's train, right, So there's another reason 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.439 why not to do cocaine. When they were traveling in 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:47.160 Europe doing a tour, they're like, we need We're doing 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:49.360 so many drugs, we can't risk it, and we need 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.280 a place to be able to be ourselves. So but 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:55.159 also we're decading in seventies and full of ourselves. We 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:57.479 need something plush. We can't just have a tour bus. 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:00.199 Let's get a tour train. So they rented a rain 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:04.200 carriage and pretty awesome. Yeah, they're traveling around like the Netherlands, France. 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:06.760 You know how I feel about trains. I knew you 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:08.800 would like this. I was like, you know, who's gonna 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:12.560 really appreciate this. So they go and they're like, okay, 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:15.119 we need something luxurious. And then because it's Germany and 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:16.960 the Netherlands and France, people are like, oh, we got, 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:19.119 you know, plenty of trains, and so they get one 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:21.080 and they hire this train and it's supposed to take 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:23.000 them around the continent do all the blow they want. 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.280 Turns out the train had been Hitler's personal carriage, right, 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:30.160 So it's outfit with all these decaded gold fixtures, velvet curtain, 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:34.160 a lot of read well appointed divans. You know, it's 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:37.159 just really right. Everything is the way Hitler liked it, 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:40.959 and it included in the rental price of this train carriage. 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.879 Came a personal attendant. He was this really old German Man, 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:49.160 old Elizabeth. He had once been Hitler's personal assistance. That's 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:52.360 exactly like, that's the kind where where was your dad? 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:56.399 Where were you in the war? Literally, so that's what 0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:59.679 cocaine can do for you. Anyway, So we're not here 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:01.280 to talk at cocaine. They We're here to talk about 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:05.960 battling Fleetwood. Manup, okay, the original lineup for Fleetwood Mac. 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:07.160 I didn't know this. I had to look it up. 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:09.560 It's also a point of debate. Apparently, people look say, no, 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:11.600 this is when it was the original lineup. This is 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:14.120 the original lineup, but as best as I can determine, 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:18.240 the original lineup was Peter Green, Danny Kerwin, Jeremy Spencer, 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:21.120 John McVie, and Mick Fleetwood. And they had a manager, 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:23.520 Clifford Davis, who was really involved, who was the co 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:27.760 founder of the band. Okay, okay, so Mick Fleetwood was 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:32.000 an original member, original member. Maybe that song Fleetwood Mac 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:34.560 was about him. Oh, I'll explain it. Don't let that 0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:40.320 dango out there. I'll give you plenty of clue. Okay. Now, 0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:42.600 the things start well for the band. They're in the UK. 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:45.760 They're doing this like you know, blues revival sound, and 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:48.600 this is like the late sixties now nineteen seventy. Peter 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:50.639 Green's like, look, guys, I'm out. It's not doing what 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:53.159 I thought we're gonna do. So a year later, Jeremy 0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:55.520 Spencers like, look i'm out too. I'm gonna go do 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:58.200 my own blues thing. Cliff Davis is like, okay, well 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:00.480 that's no problem. Hires two new cats. He it's Bob 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:03.159 Welch and Christine Mcvighe to join the band. So Christine 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:06.520 mcvige comes in starts to really shape the sound. And 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:09.000 now this is also kind of a difficult time for 0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:11.440 the band though, because Mick Fleetwood's like, you know, who 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:13.800 are we? What are we becoming right on the precipice 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:15.760 of success? What do we need to do to break 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:18.800 through in America? So now in nineteen seventy three, we 0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:21.600 have two original members of the band left, John McVie 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:24.240 and Mick Fleetwood. We've got the new members Bob Welch, 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:26.840 he's on guitar and vocals. We've got Christine McVie on 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:30.879 keyboards of vocals, and Bob Weston on guitars and vocals. 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:35.840 Because it's the seventies band, Isn't Mick Fleetwood like nine 0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:38.680 ft tall? It's really really tall. Yeah, I think it's 0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:40.480 like nine ft two. I had a painting boss, so 0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:42.359 I used to go over to his house and like 0:23:42.359 --> 0:23:44.680 while he poured himself a morning cocktail and he would 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:47.520 he would watch this um like I don't know. It's 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:50.280 like a PDS like we if you donate this year, 0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:52.560 we'll give you this special and it was of it 0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:55.639 was like a boomer like made gift pasket. And so 0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:59.359 you get like the Fleetwood Mac performance, but the USC 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:02.639 marching band for Tusk and that's yeah for Tusk. And 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:05.120 so we had to watch before we before we could 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:07.480 leave the house. He had to hear TuS. I got 0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:09.639 to hear the band. Do you think that that was 0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:12.320 like one of those PBS things in like the early 0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:16.199 nineties when Clinton had the whole dumb up completely, just 0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:22.040 as a hangover of that Our sound, Our moment in 0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:29.520 the morning breakfast. So the h in true Fleetwood Max style, 0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:31.640 things are going well but also a little bit stressy 0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:34.960 and messy. Right, So what happens is, you know, something 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:38.280 else very Fleetwood Mackie, an extra marital affair breaks out. 0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:43.480 Now Bob Weston has an affair with Nick Fleetwood's wife, 0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:46.399 Jenny Boyd, and the affair, obviously meant to remain secret, 0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:49.640 does not remain secret. Mick Fleetwood learns about his wife 0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:52.520 cheating with his new guitar player, and he's like, oh, 0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:55.000 he's destroyed by the double betrayal. Right, He's like, I 0:24:55.040 --> 0:24:57.560 want to quit my tour, I want to quit the band, 0:24:57.640 --> 0:24:59.399 I want to quit the marriage. I just want to 0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:03.240 quit everything, right, big emotional guy. So manager Cliff Davis 0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:05.320 is like, oh man, this is this is not good. 0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:07.359 Everybody I got band members asleep and he wants to 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:09.160 break it up or right on the edge of success. 0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:11.040 So he thinks about it for like, I don't know 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:13.639 thirty seconds. He's like, I got it. I got a solution, 0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:16.760 and so he goes on, I'll just browbeat mc fleetwood. 0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:20.520 He's emotional. I'll threatened him. He's like, So Cliff Davis 0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:22.560 goes to Mick and he's like, if you blow this tour, 0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:25.920 you'll never get another chance. And Mick Fleetwood's like, oh man, 0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:28.879 he's ambitious, he's young, he needs this. So he listens 0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:31.639 to his manager, he considers his options, and then he 0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:34.440 calls Bob Weston. He goes, look, you're fired. And then 0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:37.480 he goes and he calls the tour manager. He's like, 0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:40.520 cancel the tour. So he just do exactly what he 0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:43.679 wanted to do. So there's twenty six dates left on 0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:46.840 this schedule, right, manager Cliff Davis calls the tour manager 0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:49.720 just says, look, do not counsel the dates, don't don't 0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:51.960 tell call anybody. We're on the hook for all this. 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:54.360 This will kill us. Right, McK fleetwood's gonna go home. 0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:57.720 He's having a family trouble, so he starts brainstorming more. 0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:01.200 He's like, look, I don't need McK fleetwood. I'm Fleetwood 0:26:01.280 --> 0:26:04.359 Mac right. So he decides I can just hire people. 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:06.960 So I have the legal right to do that because 0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:09.200 I co founded the band and I owned the rights, 0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:12.280 and he's had these contracts because it's like bad music 0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:16.400 business of the sixties and really manipulative contracts. I'ld rely 0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:20.119 like own the right to their ability to publicly perform music, 0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:23.159 you know, like yeah, weird coming tacts right, So he 0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:25.160 goes to the band. He goes, look, Mick Fleetwood's going 0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:26.880 back to the UK, and he's just a little mad 0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:29.200 with you guys, but hell cool out. So why don't 0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:31.359 you guys keep going, I'll hire a new Mick Fleetwood. 0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:33.600 And they're like, you can't do that, bro, We're not 0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:35.760 doing it. It's like, look, do it or you're out 0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:38.800 of the band. And they're like, well what band? Are 0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:40.879 we still a band? He's like yeah, we gotta finish 0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:44.080 twenty six dates and like oh. So they get together 0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:45.840 have a little like chit chat about and they're like, no, 0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:49.280 we're not doing it. Blow Cliff. Cliff was like, all right, fine, 0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:51.720 I can I'll get a whole new band. So he 0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:55.440 hires a whole new Fleetwood map right, and he tells, you, guys, 0:26:55.680 --> 0:27:00.360 you got twenty six dates. Let's hit becomes a band 0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:03.720 before you went that cover band, before they're famous. Now 0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:07.399 there's a problem with this because when he hires the 0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:10.400 new band, he tells them your Fleetwood Mac. You guys 0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:14.320 are just you know, tour musicians. Mick Fleetwood's gonna be 0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:17.480 back on tour. And that is as you know, we 0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:20.600 in the story industry, we call that a lie. They 0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:23.800 they there was no meat Fleetwood coming back, so they 0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:26.280 were they were hired under the idea that this was 0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:29.600 a temporary fix. They didn't know that they were Fleetwood. 0:27:29.720 --> 0:27:32.200 They were not told you're now Fleetwood. They were scabs 0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:36.040 and they were not even well placed skes. So Cliff Davis, 0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:38.280 so he's focused on the band's momentum. That's the only 0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:40.640 thing that matters to him. Quality was job number two. 0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:42.960 He was like, look, as far as we keep everything rolling, 0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:45.800 how it's rock music, How hard could this be? You know, 0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:47.919 I headed the g string. I don't know. So Cliff 0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:50.480 Davis He's like, Okay, this is my band, and he 0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:53.359 would explain it to anybody and uh, I'll explain it 0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:56.720 to you. I quote from Cliff Davis. I've always been 0:27:56.760 --> 0:27:58.840 the leader of the band, as much a lot of 0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:01.919 people over the years. If constructed. The Fleetwood Mac is 0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:06.480 Fleetwood and McVie. Fleetwood Mac was a song written by 0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:10.360 Peter Green when he was with John May. All Okay, 0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:12.480 that's like his whole like, it can't be there. It's 0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:15.320 not about Mick Fleetwood. It's about me me, and so 0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:19.080 he then like, since it's about this Peter Green song. 0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:22.400 This was also part of the contract aspect because Christine 0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:24.760 McVie had a contract with him which he first joined 0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:28.800 the band. So to get around the new Mick Fleetwood 0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:32.600 that is created, Mick Fleetwood is left with only one recourse, 0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:36.760 which is legal. He's like, let's start filing contracts. You 0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:41.440 love lawyers, so uh well, I don't. I don't really 0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:44.680 know this band, but the maybe some of these names 0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:47.000 will be familiar to you. You know music better than 0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:49.960 I do. The new Fleetwood Mac was like one cat 0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:54.520 named Elmer Gantry. I know it from the movies. I 0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:56.920 don't hear a person right now. That's not his real name. 0:28:56.920 --> 0:28:59.440 His mom and named him Dave Todd. Dave Todd and 0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:03.480 then there's cur Be Gregory, Paul Martinez, a cat named 0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:08.120 John Dave or David Wilkinson. And then there was Craig Collingay. 0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:13.040 This band goes out of Sleetwood Mac. The band is 0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:16.120 set to do their first shows in January February nineteen 0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:21.400 seventy four. Right now, first show they're gonna do. It's Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Now, Elizabeth, 0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:24.040 I would like you to close your eyes and picture 0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:29.320 it and check one to three. Check your backstage. You're 0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:32.200 working as a concert promoter. The seventies have been good 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:35.800 to you. Your friend is a newly self minted music producer, 0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.160 Rich Angler, and he's the one who's called you in 0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:40.240 to help with this new show. You spot your friend 0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:42.920 Rich Angler, moving fast backstage. You want to flag him 0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:45.000 down and ask about the timetable for the show. You 0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:46.600 hope to have a few minutes alone with the band 0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:47.960 so you can ask them, abou didn't you last the 0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:50.280 many changes for the set or a request for their 0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:52.840 stage package. You wanted all to go so well for 0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:56.040 your friend rich Now Angler just recently started this new 0:29:56.080 --> 0:29:59.360 concert promotion business, as you are well aware, and you 0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:01.880 know that he's nervous about everything, So you let him 0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:04.880 streak past you. You don't interrupt. You're figuring he's handling something. 0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:07.640 You'll catch him later. But then you see him stop 0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:10.080 dead in his tracks, and you he pauses to talk 0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:12.680 with the man. You recognize his Cliff Davis, the manager 0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:14.440 of the band that's about to go on, and you 0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:17.800 hear Angler asked Cliff Davis, where the hell is Fleetwood Mac? 0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:20.840 But you just saw the band in their dressing room. 0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:22.920 In fact, you're sure of it, and you saw Anglers 0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:25.480 speak with them earlier, so he should know they're here. 0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:28.040 What is he asking? Where's Fleetwood Mac? Then it all 0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:29.840 makes sense to you when you hear Angler tell the 0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:32.360 manager Cliff Davis, I don't know what the hell you 0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:34.640 think you're polling, but that's not Fleetwood Mac in the 0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:38.960 dressing room. Who the hell are those bozos? Bozos? I 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:42.640 love calling people both. Cliff Davis keeps insisting that those 0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:46.960 bozos are indeed Fleetwood Mac. So Angler knows the band personally, 0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:49.760 he's he's loves the he's friends with the band. This 0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:51.880 is his first show. He hired them knowing it would 0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:54.120 be a success because Fleetwood Mac would go out there 0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:57.080 and hello, Pittsburgh and knock it at dead right. He 0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:02.040 needs that, not these bows. So Rich Angler tells Cliff 0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:04.440 Davis he doesn't know, like what you can get away 0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:06.840 with in the UK, but this is Pittsburgh, man, and 0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:10.120 they don't go for that. Queen's English bollocks. Three River 0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:13.520 City man. Rich Angler he tells the manager of the 0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:16.560 so called Fleetwood Mac they ain't going on my stage, 0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:19.040 and Cliff Davis is like, yeah, they are, I got 0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:23.000 a contract and so rich is like, I don't know 0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:25.000 what to do about that. I'm knowing this business. So 0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:28.280 he loses his cool. He gets emotional. He takes a 0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:31.320 swing at Cliff David. He is like, yeah, haul's off, 0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:33.520 decks him right. The Cliff Davis is pretty quick. It 0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:35.600 barely hits him because this is not the first time 0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:38.840 someone has wanted to punch. Cliff David ready for the swing, 0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:41.440 so he dodges the first punch. He gets caught by 0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:44.360 the surprise second and while Rich Anglers standing over going 0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:47.120 that's Pittsburgh's son. You're like about to try to calm 0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:49.000 him down, and then you're like this real fist fight. 0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:52.120 Rock and roll babies, this is what's happened in Pittsburgh, 0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:55.760 but security runs over, breaks it up, and Angler throws 0:31:55.800 --> 0:31:58.080 up his fan his hands in disgust and he's like, 0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:00.360 look fine, let him on stage. I don't give a 0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:03.880 flying fig. It's their reputation you're ruining, not mine. Ten 0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:08.360 minutes later, pretend Fleetwood Mac takes the stage. Band starts playing. 0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:11.520 They know the hits, They played the songs right, you know, 0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:14.160 and they played the new songs off the new album, 0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:17.120 and surprise, surprise, they actually sound good. It sounds like 0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:20.080 Fleetwood Mac. And you catch up to Rich Angler and 0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:22.640 you're happily surprised to hear him say to look at 0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:24.840 that the band, whoever the hell they are, not have 0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:28.720 bad You're like, oh, went went well for him? Like kiss, 0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:31.280 he was so nervous. But you joke that the audience 0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:32.880 must be like, I don't know, zonked out of their 0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:35.880 head on goofball pills. What's the deal? Are they high 0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:39.120 on the maui wali because this is clearly not Fleetwood Mac. 0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:40.960 But England just looks at you, like, where do you 0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:44.480 get these references? Have been injecting doobies? Are they? Are 0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:47.520 they on the tie sticks? So Fleetwood Mac, you know, 0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:49.960 they're like I guess Pittsburgh doesn't know what Fleetwood Mac 0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:52.800 looks like. And just this sounds like the crowd is 0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:55.560 cool with the show, but the real heads recognized this 0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:57.320 band is not Fleetwood Mac. And then you go and 0:32:57.360 --> 0:32:59.240 they demand their money back, and Angler doesn't want to 0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:02.240 have problems, so he gives out the refunds. Everything's cool, 0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:06.280 onto the next show. Now, after a short break, I'll 0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:08.560 tell you how this all goes really badly and turns 0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:32.440 into a legal nightmare. Alright, Elizabeth, I left you in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. 0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:34.680 Did leave me in Pittsburgh. I'm gonna pick you up 0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:38.560 there and we're gonna travel onto Potsdam, New York. All right, 0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:43.760 that's upstate New York. Yes, in Potsdam, New York, the 0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:47.080 fake band they play another show. This one's kind of 0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:49.680 intended like it's like a Broadway show, like on the 0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:51.760 road before you hit Broadway. They're supposed to kind of 0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:55.560 get because the next tour date is New York City 0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:57.800 and they've got to be on point for New York. 0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:01.440 So they play pots Day. Things go well, and then 0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:04.000 they get to New York on schedule. This is gonna 0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:07.120 be rock. Journalists are there and they've already heard rumors 0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:12.560 about the Pittsburgh show. It's filtered out, and now they 0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:15.120 know there's some fake band pretending to be Fleetwood Mac. 0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:16.839 And they're like, we got to see this for our show. 0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:19.000 And some of them they know Cliff Davis, so they 0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:20.840 call him up there like I need an exclusive interview. 0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:23.200 I'm gonna need the story on this, and yeahh come 0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:25.920 on to the hotel. Right the Cliff Davis tells some 0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:28.759 rock journalists, right, this is my band. I've always been 0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:30.920 the leader of the band as such. And so they're like, 0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:33.160 well what, yeah, but does this Fleetwood Mac? It is 0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:35.799 if I say it is, right, so, and then he 0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:38.200 adds that he goes back to his previous lie, which 0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:41.799 is Mick Fleetwood. He flew home for family troubles, right, 0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:44.759 and he's like telling everybody he flew to America in January, 0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:48.000 God is gotten some problems, flew back and he'll be 0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:51.279 back soon. He's just give him some time, give them 0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:53.840 made a little air. Now the show must go on 0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:57.239 right right now, Everybody's like, yeah, okay, man, Cliff Davis, 0:34:57.360 --> 0:34:59.600 your band. I guess this is the new Fleetwood Mac. 0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:03.239 Until it kicks back right New York City show goes off. Now, 0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:06.879 remember that half good momentum coming out of Pittsburgh kept 0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:10.239 going into Potsdam. But right before the show, half an 0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:12.120 hour before they're supposed to go on to New York City, 0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:14.120 Elmer Gantry comes out goes, I don't have a voice. 0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:17.480 I've just lost my voice. The concert promoters like, what 0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:19.000 are you talking? What do you mean you have to 0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:21.200 tell you would have known this hours ago. Yeah, it 0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:24.560 just happened right, So, like apparently Cat loses his voice 0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:27.239 totally gone. So no one knows what to do. They 0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:29.680 call up like basically the lawyer and like, the way, 0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:31.239 what do we do? We I would get back the 0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:33.400 money to all thirty people are here and it's like, no, no, 0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:36.239 not giving back any money. Um, here's what we're gonna do. 0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:38.239 Just have the band go out and make an announcement 0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:40.680 and then that meets our contractual obligations. And they're like, Okay, 0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:42.480 that's what we're gonna do. So they go out and 0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:45.160 they they have this. By the way, the opening act 0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:49.080 for this show is Kiss. So the crowd is how 0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:53.640 big is the venue is this see Academy. It's like 0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:55.920 it's a hold of like five thousand people. It's like 0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:57.920 a pretty big floor, you know, kind of like fillmore 0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:00.680 is what I was imagining. I didn't actually, I'm sorry. 0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:03.200 If they had like tour insurance that they would have 0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:05.680 to I don't know. Yeah, I'm sure they have all 0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:08.520 of the riders and back and requirements and and like 0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:10.960 you know, the aspects of like you must cancel by 0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:15.440 this and this percentage of refunds. So they were opening 0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:18.520 Kisses opening, Yeah, so they have they have Kiss hotting 0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:20.759 up the crowd and they've got the lawyer going. And 0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:22.960 then go out there and tell them they we're not 0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:28.719 going to do full makeup Kiss full makeup, Yeah, like 0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:34.239 on the high boot, all leather, white tongues, hang Gene 0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:37.120 Simmons is making everyone in the first row pregnant. Yes, 0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:41.920 so yeah, it's just Fleetwood Mac and that is a 0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:46.799 crazy lineup. Yeah, right, So pretend Fleetwood Mac follows Kiss 0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:49.239 on stage with whatever's whatever is left on stage for 0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:51.839 them to perform, and the band tries to carry on 0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:54.880 with an overly long instrumental set that the crowd has 0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:57.640 been worn. Look, the lead singers sick, guys. So we're 0:36:57.640 --> 0:37:01.000 gonna just do like a jam if that's cool. But 0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:02.840 if you don't want to hear that. You've got fifteen 0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:05.480 minutes to go ask for a refund. So eight hundred 0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:07.160 of the thirty four under people go and ask for 0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:09.799 a refund. I'm out, I'm New York. I got other 0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:11.960 better things to do than here a thirty minute jam. 0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:13.960 A lot of people like I really want to hear Hi, man, 0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:16.520 I've been waiting to hear Fleetwood Mac. So they sit 0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:19.640 down and listen to the jams or whatever. Now New 0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:22.040 York rock journalists are there, and the music press, for 0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:25.239 an entirely different experience, want the scoop all right, right, 0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:27.279 They're like, where the hell's Fleetwood Mac? And who are 0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:32.319 these Boswood Mac? So they write their stories, stories get 0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:37.480 written published. A filter across the Atlantic reads the story 0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:41.239 freaks out because remember once again precipice of success, like 0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:43.600 they are about to go huge and they lose it 0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:47.360 on just this is a terrible story. So he started 0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:48.880 immediately getting on the phone and going I had no 0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:50.480 idea what's going I didn't know the band was still 0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:52.040 on tour. I'm over in the UK. How can they 0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:54.400 be on tour without me? And everyone's like, yeah, I 0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:57.520 totally get to your pist. So then cloth Davis is like, 0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:00.480 what's he saying? What's Cliff Davis do? Is like, told you? 0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:03.479 He sues him. So he sues Mick Fleetwood, you gotta 0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:05.960 stop saying that I owned the band. You you can't 0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:08.680 say what you're saying. So he then tells Mick Fleetwood 0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:12.200 he cannot perform as mic as Fleetwood Mac. He cannot, 0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:15.040 you know, record as Fleetwood Mac. He owns it and 0:38:15.400 --> 0:38:18.160 fleet and Mick Fleetwood's like, no, no, no, that that 0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:20.960 that's not how this goes. We have a whole different agreement. 0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:23.880 So they start going and countersuing each other losses are 0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:27.520 becomes a whole nightmare. Rolling Stone covers all of this, 0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:32.359 going to the contemporaneous coverage from Rolling Stone, quote, when 0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:35.680 is a Fleetwood Mac not a Fleetwood Mac? Although there 0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:38.200 is a band called Fleetwood Mac currently in the midst 0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:40.000 of a two and a half month US tour, that 0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:43.600 question is puzzling some promoters, some fans, and Warner Brothers. 0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:46.320 So to answer this question of what makes a Fleetwood 0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:49.319 Mac of Fleetwood Mac, the rock magazine spoke with the 0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:51.400 manager Cliff Davis, and everyone wants to get to the 0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:54.320 bottom of this mystery and Cliff Davis says, and I quote, 0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:56.480 I want to get this out of the public's mind. 0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:59.120 As far as the band being Mick Fleetwood's band, the 0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:02.320 band is my band. The band has always been my band. 0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:06.920 Band manager. This is some like Minuto level stuff, just 0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:12.640 a rotatum in as are six under sixteen. This wasn't 0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:15.879 enough because he wanted to really squash any Mick Fleetwood's power. 0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:19.200 So Cliff Davis ads, I just decided it was time 0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:21.680 to change the band, certainly on stage, and that's what 0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:24.279 I did. I've always been thought of the leader. I've 0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:26.200 always thought of picked who was going to be in 0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:30.799 it and who wasn't. I decided to keep Mick, how 0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:33.960 decent of him. Yeah, So this wasn't obviously the full story. 0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:36.680 So going back to the pages of Rolling Stone, and 0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:40.000 I quote Bob Welch, the American guitarist who joined Fleetwood 0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:42.280 two and a half years ago when original member Jeremy 0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:45.520 Spencer found god in Los Angeles, denied the whole David's 0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:48.279 story at Presstin was in route to England to meet 0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:51.560 with Fleetwood, the Nick Vee's Weston and lawyers to straighten 0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:53.920 the whole matter out. So now we're going to get 0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:56.200 into more of the counter sing. Yeah. As far as 0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:59.200 Mick Fleetwood's take on this whole debaclest he always kept 0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:00.839 it short in the press. Is much as possible, Mick 0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:02.960 would tell the press of the day and I quote 0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:05.040 the last thing we needed. It was also the most 0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:07.920 preposterous thing we've ever heard in the greatest betrayal from 0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:09.719 one of my own that we could have imagined. He 0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:13.200 keeps going with the emotional. So then we have the 0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:16.040 band's label, Warner Brothers once their take on the two 0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:20.399 Fleetwood Max which one do they have? Right? They've got 0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:23.960 business interest to consider right now. And I quote from 0:40:24.040 --> 0:40:27.359 Rolling Stone. At Warner Brothers in Burbank, Don schmitz Ley, 0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:30.839 executive director label management, has been on the case. I'm 0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:32.560 in the midst of trying to find out who has 0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:35.840 exclusivity on the name. He said, until then the record 0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:39.080 company can do nothing. So they legally cannot until they're 0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:43.279 it's determined who is Fleetwood Mac. It goes on like this, 0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:46.080 and uh, lawsuits are going back and forth. We're in 0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:48.480 mid seventy four right, so a court steps in from 0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:50.600 the UK side. The UK High Court rules at the 0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:54.080 band to be granted an injunction that prevents manager Cliff 0:40:54.160 --> 0:40:56.800 Davis from putting his fake Fleetwood mac out there. Like, 0:40:56.880 --> 0:41:00.960 clearly you're in so how's this an issue? But in 0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:03.680 the exciting world of contract law, that was not enough. 0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:08.560 So Fleetwood finds that Cliff Davis's contract still does preclude 0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:10.879 him from being able to legally record and put out 0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:14.359 albums and sell them. So there's injunctions going back and forth. 0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:18.280 Davis controls performance rights for Christine McVie, so they can't perform, 0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:20.840 which he's in it. Then he has recording rights on 0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:24.279 Mick Fleetwood, so everything's all blocked up. Mc fleetwood goes 0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:26.160 to Los Angeles and it's like, maybe we can record 0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:28.640 a new album. They do. They call it Heroes Are 0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:32.319 Hard to Find and then the group that's the name 0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:36.240 of the album they put it out. Okay, mccliff Davis, 0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:39.080 being an English bulldog, he sues from the UK. He's like, 0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:40.880 you can't just put it out in America because they 0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:42.680 don't sell it in UKA. They just sell it and 0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:44.600 he's like, look, you have a UK law will come 0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:46.960 for us in America down to the U S courts 0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:51.160 essentially is the challenge, right, So he Thence files a 0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:54.440 fresh lawsuit and cites his contract with Christine McVie. So 0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:58.320 Cliff Davis just stays filing paper right now, the battling 0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:00.719 Fleetwood Max. They continue to start kele and swipe at 0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:03.080 each other in court, and this goes on and on. 0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:05.440 But apparently some of this vitriol may not have been 0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:09.000 real at all, because I found a twenti seventeen BBC 0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:13.080 radio interview where the aforementioned Elmer Gantry spoke out on 0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:18.520 the matter. Elbert so Elmer said, Cliff Davis, he approached them. 0:42:18.520 --> 0:42:19.920 He said, Hey, I want you guys to form a 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:22.439 new band that would be called Fleetwood Mac. He said 0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:25.359 new band Fleetwood Max. So that was clear. But at 0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:28.000 first they were down because they thought Mick Fleetwood was 0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:32.080 gonna be in. So they were confused about new Fleetwood Mac. 0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:35.640 But still Mick Fleetwood's I'm like, okay whatever. Now that's 0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:39.359 also the what Mick told them. He told the replacements, 0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:41.279 I'm coming back to be in the band with you. 0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:44.719 So that contradicts everything because he's supposed to be all 0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:48.480 angry about this. Gantry said in an interview, Mick Fleetwood 0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:50.359 came to our house and we talked through the new 0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:53.120 band and it all seemed fine. Mick said, well, I 0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:55.440 can't actually come and rehearse with you. It was like 0:42:55.520 --> 0:42:58.360 fairly imminent going to the America to tour, but if 0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:00.799 you got a temporary drummer, I'll go and join you 0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:03.600 for the tour. So he's like basically saying that Mick 0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:07.680 told him the same planing Cliff Davis did. Apparently, either 0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:09.479 Mick was a you know, he's in on the dupe 0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:12.200 the whole time, or Elmer Gantry's memory is a little 0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:17.480 like you know, or or none of these are reliable narrators. 0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:21.759 Nobody remembers the truth right, But apparently Elmer Gantry did 0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:25.160 say he and fake Fleetwood Mac went over potential set 0:43:25.160 --> 0:43:27.759 list with Mick Fleetwood and he gave his approval to 0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:30.239 the set list. So he was very well aware. So 0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:33.479 this wasn't a surprise at all from what he said. Now, 0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:37.919 whatever lies chaos, that's the Fleetwood Mac way. Now let's 0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:39.719 get back to their album. Heroes are hard to find, 0:43:39.800 --> 0:43:41.680 right that to support this album, they go out on 0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:43.480 tour in America and they're like, what are you gonna 0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:45.480 do about it? Bro? Come after us? Right, And he's like, 0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:48.320 of course, but they have more problems and other members, 0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:50.680 like the dude Bob Welch is like, uh, you know, 0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:52.680 I don't want to leave the band. This is all 0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:55.000 just getting into so much of a problem. I can't 0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:58.080 do anymore. I have nothing left to give. That's a 0:43:58.120 --> 0:44:02.000 literal quote. I have nothing to give. So the next year, 0:44:02.960 --> 0:44:05.719 Mick Fleetwood he's in Los Angeles thinking about like doing 0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:08.120 another album because he hasn't had like you know, he's 0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:10.160 able to be able to record the album and release 0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:13.200 it in America. Cliff Davis can't totally block him, so 0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:15.560 he's messing around into studio trying to decide what to 0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:17.359 do in a sound Engineers like, hey man, you guys 0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:19.600 need to record here because we got this new board 0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:21.480 and here you got to hear this new uh this 0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:24.120 demo album I just recorded. So he puts on the 0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:26.800 demo album to show off the capabilities of the studio, 0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:31.239 and Mick Fleetwood, here's his future just appear in the air. 0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:34.880 He's like, what is this? This debut turns out to 0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:38.440 be an LP featured two young American talents, Stevie Nicks 0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:43.120 and Lindsey Buckingham. So the next year they've reform as 0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:46.000 the new Fleetwood Mat and that's the one that I 0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:51.000 know about, right, So they record albums, they break through everybody, 0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:55.080 you know, boom tusk, the whole bit, so Landslide shomers 0:44:55.719 --> 0:44:58.759 now as the rest day is music history, and of 0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:02.919 course cocaine and affairs, lots lots of affairs and lots 0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:06.920 of like witchy woman spinning in shawls, lots of shawls 0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:12.560 and campbells. Yes, incense and peppermint love it. So, Elizabeth Zar, 0:45:12.880 --> 0:45:17.040 what is a ridiculous takeaway here? Ridiculous takeaway is the 0:45:17.280 --> 0:45:22.400 music industry is a mess. Yes, and they love lawyers. 0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:27.040 Oh yeah yeah, and everyone would benefit from mediation. Oh, 0:45:27.080 --> 0:45:30.920 like it should have gone to a mediator. I just 0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:33.520 love the fight over the name Fleetwood Mac. And I've 0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:36.520 actually thought a lot about Fleetwood Mac being Mick Fleetwood 0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:39.799 Christine mcviigh, like I if you said, zaren're gonna cut 0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:43.120 off a finger if you can't, if you can't tell 0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:47.359 us how fewood Like I love when we do these 0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:50.200 kind of like oh you know, but like imagine being 0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:52.480 in a situation like literally where someone's like I'm going 0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:55.400 to cut off your finger. You can't can't tell me 0:45:56.000 --> 0:45:57.959 how did I get to this place in my life 0:45:58.000 --> 0:46:00.759 that this is happening. I'm like like a dock on 0:46:00.840 --> 0:46:04.000 a lake somewhere and I don't know these anyway. Um, 0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:06.759 did you ever get Did you rEFInd the song Fleetwood 0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:11.239 Mac that Dude City wrote? No? I didn't even look. 0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:15.160 What's it about? I assume Fleetwood Mac? Is it about 0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:19.040 Mick Fleetwood being a mac being the Mac? Yes, it's 0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:23.080 Fleetwood the Mac. Doesn't it doesn't compute like I didn't 0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:27.719 believe because like this makes no sense. I treated this 0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:30.960 story like skiing, right, like the first time I went skiing. 0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:34.640 I mean, yes, I don't do it. What I mean 0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:37.200 is that, like I found myself on top of a 0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:39.680 mountain n ski before. I didn't know what to do. 0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:41.440 I didn't take a lesson, I had no idea what 0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:43.600 was going on. I just wanted to get through it, 0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:46.560 so I said shut myself off. I started going got 0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:48.360 faster and got crazier, and I just held on. And 0:46:48.440 --> 0:46:50.400 suddenly I was at the bottom and I was like, 0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:52.400 I made it through that. I don't know how. So 0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:55.520 I didn't pause to ask what is this Fleetwood Max? 0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:57.880 So I was just like a tree going past. I 0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:01.320 was like I didn't hit that nice. So that's what 0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:03.719 I got for you is a sensation. I can tell 0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:07.719 you the sensation of that makes sense. Yeah, there's still 0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:11.839 I'm just hey, there's Google. Look it up. 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