Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of I Heart Radio. Oh,
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Dutton, so damn good to see you. Darren Burnett.
Speaker 1: What are you doing here? Oh? I was just looking
Speaker 1: for plaid socks? Um? Did you had a question for you?
Speaker 1: Go ahead? Did you know what's ridiculous? I do? I do?
Speaker 1: Stop talking? I do? What is that? There's a guy? Now?
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm going to go a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm going to change things up a little bit. This
Speaker 1: is not a mash up. I'm sorry, I'm buckled this energy.
Speaker 1: This dude in Florida, he was like perusing Facebook, ridiculous
Speaker 1: the end now and he's looking in the this like
Speaker 1: Rockdale County Sheriff's office has a Facebook page and he's
Speaker 1: poking around and they listed their most wanted list for
Speaker 1: November and he was bummed because he wasn't on it.
Speaker 1: Almost wanted people just like gift they were asking for.
Speaker 1: There wasn't like Amazon work list, like we need croqueys.
Speaker 1: And now they they had like their most wanted lists
Speaker 1: people of people, most wanted criminals And he's like, I'm
Speaker 1: a criminal. I live in this county. I have broken
Speaker 1: the law. What's up? I'm top ten quality right here,
Speaker 1: come on, don't give me this o your number twelve.
Speaker 1: Instead of just like turning to you know, the people
Speaker 1: in his home and saying, guys or you know, sitting
Speaker 1: you know, turning to the people the bar, I'm so sad.
Speaker 1: Uh No, Instead he posted on their on their wall
Speaker 1: and said how about me? Quote? How about me? And
Speaker 1: he wasn't being like tongue in Cheeka. No, he was like,
Speaker 1: hey man, I'm a criminal. And so then they responded
Speaker 1: and they said, quote, you are correct, you have two warrants,
Speaker 1: were on the way and they went and arrested him.
Speaker 1: He's like, now I feel better. Yeah, So his social
Speaker 1: media addiction led to him blowing his cover. They also
Speaker 1: then they posted, we appreciate you for your assistance in
Speaker 1: your capture. So yeah, and then then their their statement
Speaker 1: on it was our top ten is compiled based off
Speaker 1: the severity of the charges. Only by not being on
Speaker 1: this list does not mean our fugitive unit is not
Speaker 1: looking for you. If you have an active warrant, why
Speaker 1: do they clarify that? They don't need to say that.
Speaker 1: I know right, So anyway, the dummy clause what about me?
Speaker 1: All right? What about you? He's the ultimate like, that's
Speaker 1: a pick me. But the guy version he wanted to
Speaker 1: feel special, he wanted isn't even lights. So that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I'll hand you that. Yeah it is. You don't have
Speaker 1: to tell me it is ridiculous. Well, if you got
Speaker 1: a second, yes, I got a story for you of course. Okay.
Speaker 1: Did you know there was once to Fleetwood Max at
Speaker 1: the same time and neither one included Stevie Nicks or
Speaker 1: Lindsey Buckingham. Just still though, that's like, if you get
Speaker 1: hit in the head, you see two Fleetwood Max at
Speaker 1: the scene exactly, They're coming at you, Tusk. This is
Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists
Speaker 1: and cons. It's allways nine, murder free and ridiculous. Elizabeth.
Speaker 1: I've got a hell of story for you, I hope.
Speaker 1: So in this story, by the way, I mean I
Speaker 1: I came all the way down here, I got dressed, Yeah,
Speaker 1: showed up at work. I noticed you You're you're wearing
Speaker 1: your best robe and swim flippers. Yeah, this is a
Speaker 1: good look. So um. This story, by the way, it
Speaker 1: came to us, or came to me rather from a
Speaker 1: tip from a friend of producer Dave's no way, yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: Andy Shay or Andy, So thank you Andy, we appreciate
Speaker 1: thank you. And now this story is well, let me
Speaker 1: just set the table if you don't. Now you know
Speaker 1: I love the seventies, Yes, I do too. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: share a love for the seventies. And like when I
Speaker 1: read about these news stories and I go doing investigations
Speaker 1: and do some research, that everything is wilder than I expect. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: it just it's like, oh, it starts with the headline
Speaker 1: and then it just spirals into madness, right, and then
Speaker 1: it's the whole decade. It doesn't matter which year you pick,
Speaker 1: it's I'm like, oh, seventy two was a wild no, no,
Speaker 1: the whole And also it was interesting. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: like I watched a lot of Barney Miller, for instance,
Speaker 1: and I use that it as a metric for the
Speaker 1: seventies because of the different crimes that show up and
Speaker 1: how people are and how they react to people in
Speaker 1: the expectations. And it's interesting to me is how drunk
Speaker 1: everybody was just lightly toasted. And it was a joke
Speaker 1: like this person has been drunk at work for twenty
Speaker 1: years and everybody knows it right, and it's just like,
Speaker 1: imagine what that's like if her a whole, like all
Speaker 1: the adults are just lightly buzzing on piles alcohol. Yeah, exactly. Well, anyway,
Speaker 1: it led to a lot of bad decisions ultimately, but
Speaker 1: this is not about bad seventies decisions. This is about
Speaker 1: the seventies driving people batty. Okay, right, does that make
Speaker 1: does it make sense? What I mean by batty is
Speaker 1: like you know, bats in the belfry, Like you're like,
Speaker 1: why would it be? Why would you do that? Like
Speaker 1: this just makes no sense. Anyway. Now I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: a I'm gonna have actually set as I told you,
Speaker 1: set the table, and then as I you know, get
Speaker 1: into the seventies, we'll go first, start with a little
Speaker 1: appetizer and a moose bush as you and the French
Speaker 1: would say. Right, do you know about supergroups? Se supergroups? Sure? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young. Okay, well, the seventies
Speaker 1: is when this kicks off. In fact, Crosby, Stills, Nash
Speaker 1: and Young is considered basically the first super group. And
Speaker 1: then I love them, but yeahs songs you like or
Speaker 1: albums like you just like? I like it all I
Speaker 1: love Neil Young and so you know, I love and
Speaker 1: I love Crosby Stills Nash so kind of works together.
Speaker 1: And then put peanut butter in the chocolate and you're like,
Speaker 1: she Sam, there it is. Well, that's a very common
Speaker 1: They found that that marketing works for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: They are like, oh, I like this one. I like
Speaker 1: that when you start putting them together. Supergroup, Yeah, well
Speaker 1: like Traveling will Berrious that was that was gonna be
Speaker 1: one example. I had um belbav de Vaux. Now you
Speaker 1: know right now, okay, another one for you, Temple of
Speaker 1: the Dog or Audio Slave some of the same. That
Speaker 1: Temple of the Dog album is good. Yeah, right, like
Speaker 1: I will, I will stand firm in that that is
Speaker 1: a good album. You know. It's another basically supergroup led Zeppelin.
Speaker 1: They were all in different groups and Yardbirds and I
Speaker 1: don't know British bands like this well, but there's apparently
Speaker 1: a band of Joy was a band at that John
Speaker 1: Bonham and Robert plant rooined together. Whatever. So my favorite
Speaker 1: example though the supergroup is the Highwayman. Yes, Johnny cash
Speaker 1: Waylon Jenny's and Chris Christopherson's kidding me. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: want to tell you the story of another supergroup list.
Speaker 1: It's called The Mask Marauders. You ever hear of the
Speaker 1: Mask Marauders? Well, um, we'll pull from the pages of
Speaker 1: the underground newspaper and culture outlet The Seed for a
Speaker 1: music review dating back to nineteen nine, so I can
Speaker 1: really uh let you into the world of the Mask Marauders.
Speaker 1: You're ready. Quote the newest Escalation and the never Ending
Speaker 1: rock Hype is an album called The Mask Marauders. You'll
Speaker 1: notice a tone They're coming in hot now. That was
Speaker 1: in response to Rolling Stones magazines Pure Purple Prose about
Speaker 1: the supergroup. They had already written a review, and in
Speaker 1: the Rolling Stones review they wrote, quote it can truly
Speaker 1: be said that this album is more than a way
Speaker 1: of life, It is life heavens. Yeah, you can hear
Speaker 1: the hype now. Why you may be asking Zaren why
Speaker 1: such effusive, over the top praise for this group no
Speaker 1: one had ever yet heard of it? Is it a
Speaker 1: nepotism thing? Well, it's because of the lineup. The lineup
Speaker 1: reportedly was John the Lennon of the Beatles, Mick Jagger
Speaker 1: of the Rolling Stones, Paul McCartney also the Beatles, and
Speaker 1: Bob Dylan of Bob Dylan. I never heard of this,
Speaker 1: That's the whole point. So its supposed to be like
Speaker 1: a secret underground recording that they did, a bootleg record,
Speaker 1: off brand, off label, they got together, recorded and a
Speaker 1: recording existed. Tell me again, is this so John Lennon,
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney, Mick Jagger, Bob Dylan, that many egos in
Speaker 1: one room and it doesn't create a supernova and just
Speaker 1: like the gravity just sucks into the doors, come flying
Speaker 1: and yeah. Well the Rolling Stone called this bootleg record
Speaker 1: the album of the year or the record of the year,
Speaker 1: the distinction. But the album drops in nineteen nine. Okay,
Speaker 1: right to cross these selves national has already happened. People
Speaker 1: were like, oh my god, imagine what another supergroup and
Speaker 1: then boom, they get this as a super People are
Speaker 1: going nuts. So they're going to their local record stars,
Speaker 1: like when can I get the Mass Marauders album. They're like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? You saw the Rolling Stone review?
Speaker 1: Like oh yeah, yeah, Like when don't you gonna get it?
Speaker 1: We'll let you know, man, And then the next day,
Speaker 1: hey man, and they need the Mass Marauders. Bro will
Speaker 1: tell you when it shows up. They're they're getting like
Speaker 1: hassled about it. You know, it's also getting hassled about
Speaker 1: it Warner Brothers. Warner Brothers is like, um, you know,
Speaker 1: they keep hearing about this group that apparently has members
Speaker 1: that they have signed. They're like, wait a minute, we
Speaker 1: should be knowing about this. What's going on? And so
Speaker 1: then they do a bidding war to buy this album.
Speaker 1: So it was a bootleg. It didn't. It was not.
Speaker 1: It was not. It wasn't on studio dollars. So normally
Speaker 1: a recording will be like, hey, we'll give you the
Speaker 1: money to record your album and then we own the
Speaker 1: masters and all that justn't done that way. The masters
Speaker 1: suddenly are created as this bootleg recording got it because
Speaker 1: I was just wondering, Like in the reviews, they usually
Speaker 1: tell you who the music publisher, like who's exactly? So
Speaker 1: they just reviewed this bootleg album and they and the
Speaker 1: demand grows and they have to make it a legit.
Speaker 1: It was like the Gray album from like where Danger
Speaker 1: Mouse went out and he takes the jay Z and
Speaker 1: the Beatles matches. That makes this album. So he couldn't
Speaker 1: release that one. He legally was not allowed to. But
Speaker 1: imagine if he could because Warner Brothers says, hey, we'll
Speaker 1: release them. That's essentially what happened right now. November ninety nine,
Speaker 1: after Warner Brothers wins the bidding war amongst all the
Speaker 1: other labels, this album comes out, It gets released legitimately,
Speaker 1: and it has this really modest cover because it's like, oh, there's,
Speaker 1: as you said, these big egos. Who gives you how
Speaker 1: are you gonna list them? You're going to get the
Speaker 1: big picture. So they have nothing, there's no there's no
Speaker 1: names on the album. It's just this bland cover. But
Speaker 1: everybody knows like, oh, it's like this wink of like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool that they did themselves right. So there's
Speaker 1: this power of hype and mystery all coming together. The
Speaker 1: Mass Marauder album sells a hundred thousand copies right makes
Speaker 1: it onto the Billboard charts. In the liner notes, there
Speaker 1: is though a kind of like winking nod, like hey,
Speaker 1: let's let people in on it. And they are like
Speaker 1: and I quote leading experts and now estimate the music
Speaker 1: business is currently hype and the Mass Marauders, bless their hearts,
Speaker 1: have gone far beyond that. Yeah, people, it's all sorry.
Speaker 1: They had crossed basically the Rubicon at this point, and
Speaker 1: the Rolling Stone reviews, right, they had been faked. They
Speaker 1: were not a real review. There was no initial album.
Speaker 1: The Rolling Stone. They put out this like review of
Speaker 1: an album that never existed to make fun of the
Speaker 1: fact that people are so into the hype, and then
Speaker 1: the hype becomes something and then they end up making
Speaker 1: an album actually comes outrank review that they Mick Jagger,
Speaker 1: John Lennon and Paul mcgartney, Bob Dylon. They were never
Speaker 1: in the studio together. Your read was spot you know this,
Speaker 1: And so the album this joke, this travesty, this travish
Speaker 1: yam mockery, it becomes legally a questionable because once the
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers finds out it's not actually who they paid
Speaker 1: for talking fraud, right, right, So how did they get
Speaker 1: this band hoax past Warner Brothers? And how did you
Speaker 1: get past all the music lovers everyone's supposed be supposed
Speaker 1: to be the coolest people who know about this, like
Speaker 1: impersonators on the record? Are they impersonators on the actual
Speaker 1: record that people thought? Okay, well, I'll explain, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I like to get right to the heart of it.
Speaker 1: Is music mine? Well, Okay, it starts with Rolling Stones.
Speaker 1: As I told you, the Rolling Stone writers, they did
Speaker 1: a fake review and Grail Marcus remembered, right, and I quote,
Speaker 1: it was late. I was tired and I've been sitting
Speaker 1: around talking with my friend about how stupid all the
Speaker 1: then so called super session albums were so grayl He
Speaker 1: wants to make fun of these cash grab supergroups, right,
Speaker 1: So he's like, how how do we do that. He's like, well, basically,
Speaker 1: let's see, I'll just come up with one. So he
Speaker 1: invents the Mass Marauders and so he gets the you know,
Speaker 1: he takes from Terry Southern U a Terry Southern novel
Speaker 1: called The Magic Christian that becomes his pen name. So
Speaker 1: he writes the review as T. M. Christian, right, and
Speaker 1: then so that's like his first little wink. And then
Speaker 1: Grail Marcus goes and he writes up his review and
Speaker 1: he shows it to Jan Winner. It's like late at night. Dan,
Speaker 1: He's like, hey man, look what I did. And he's
Speaker 1: like Jan Winners like, oh man, this is hilarious. So
Speaker 1: the publisher of Rolling Stones like, we got to do
Speaker 1: more of these. He's like, how many can you get
Speaker 1: before we do our next edition, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: so they start writing up more. Grail writes a ton
Speaker 1: of fake reviews right now. In October eighteenth, nine nine
Speaker 1: issue A Rolling Stone comes out, they run the first
Speaker 1: review of the bootleg album from the Mass Marauders, and
Speaker 1: Grail recalls later and I quote again, it was just
Speaker 1: an attempt to say this is stupid, and let's make
Speaker 1: it even stupider. So it's likely hit the gas on
Speaker 1: it right now for those who may be a little
Speaker 1: suspicious and in on the joke. There were plenty of
Speaker 1: winks and nods, as I told you earlier. But in
Speaker 1: the other Liner Knows, there's things like they talk about
Speaker 1: how the album was recorded in a small town near
Speaker 1: the site of the original Hudson Bay Colony in Canada,
Speaker 1: so it's all pressed trying to be like a big
Speaker 1: pink Yeah, there you go. Nice. So they all of
Speaker 1: a suddenly have other oddities in there because apparently Paul
Speaker 1: McCartney sings Mammy the Al Jolson songs, How did anyone
Speaker 1: think this was real? Big Jaggers sings a song I
Speaker 1: Can't get No Nookie. So yeah, now obviously you're you're on.
Speaker 1: None of us is true, and uh, but they now
Speaker 1: still have to make this album. Someday somebody's singing as
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney singing, Mammy, there is somebody singing as Mick
Speaker 1: Jaggers singing, I can't get no nookie. So how do
Speaker 1: you do this? Well, if you don't give a you know,
Speaker 1: you already said, look, we don't care about propriety, right,
Speaker 1: So Graham Marcus and the Rolling Stones guys were like, look,
Speaker 1: you know, we're already way ahead of y' Allso they
Speaker 1: just run with it and they're like, look, we gotta
Speaker 1: get this album out. So they hire some friends from
Speaker 1: a Berkeley area band and the band is Cleanliness and
Speaker 1: Godliness Skiffle Band, and they're like, so they hire their
Speaker 1: friends and they record a bunch of sessions and they
Speaker 1: again give those master tapes to Warner Brothers, and Warner
Speaker 1: Brothers puts it out, and that's and them not knowing
Speaker 1: at the time. Right. So then that undergone newspaper that
Speaker 1: I told you about before the seed, they wrote the
Speaker 1: real review of the fake album that pretty much unmasked
Speaker 1: the mass marauders, right, So they note that this was
Speaker 1: done by members of the band Cleanliness and Godliness Skiffle
Speaker 1: band like they even named the Small Berkeley band. They
Speaker 1: do it good. They're like, who did and I quote
Speaker 1: a fair stations of Dylan and Jaggers. They want to
Speaker 1: be like the music lover's music lovers. Now this grand
Speaker 1: hoax finally gets revealed, and so now we are wondering
Speaker 1: are there gonna be charges of fraud filed against these writers?
Speaker 1: Wonder Brothers is like, you know what, Look, we're not
Speaker 1: in the business of selling truth. We're in the business
Speaker 1: of selling records. We sold records there for us. As
Speaker 1: long as they don't lose money, there ye no charges filed.
Speaker 1: And if you were curious about any of this, you
Speaker 1: can go on eBay and I found the I Can't
Speaker 1: Get No Nookie single, I couldn't find Mammy and I
Speaker 1: go I did find I Can't get So they released
Speaker 1: them as singles too, just as exactly forty five records.
Speaker 1: You can get a forty five record thread on there,
Speaker 1: drop the needle on here at yourself. Now to bring
Speaker 1: things full circle, as you pointed out, there were the
Speaker 1: Traveling Wilberries, which means a beatle that did create a
Speaker 1: supergroup with Bob Dylan. So George Harris and Bob Dylan
Speaker 1: don Was and Tom Petty they'll get together booms and
Speaker 1: now you get your don't forget and of course Royal.
Speaker 1: So there it is. That's amazing. That's our moves. Bush
Speaker 1: a main course. Yes, well let's take a little break.
Speaker 1: I'm want to refresh myself and then we'll get deep
Speaker 1: into it. Alright, Elizabeth, I've promised you the entree of today. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for this. Talk in your napkin. Girl,
Speaker 1: it's about to get sloppy. It's okay. Now, did you
Speaker 1: know that Fleetwood Mac, which is the star of our show,
Speaker 1: is not named after Mick Fleetwood. It's not. It's not
Speaker 1: named after Christine McVie either. I thought that's what it
Speaker 1: was like, Fleetwood Mac. Like I've always lived under the
Speaker 1: assumption that. I mean, I don't think about it often
Speaker 1: at all, but like if you ask me, wait, so
Speaker 1: did they call themselves Fleetwood Magnetic? We really need someone
Speaker 1: the Fleetwood have been here? No, and also make Fleetwood
Speaker 1: didn't change his name to match, which is another possibility.
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, I just assume they've been
Speaker 1: in England. They're like, hey, we're Fleetwood Mac, Christine and Halen.
Speaker 1: They come to America get famous. They're like, hey, Lindsay,
Speaker 1: Stevie joined us and then boom blow up. I didn't ever,
Speaker 1: but that's not their story. Like apparently it's from a
Speaker 1: song written by somebody else who later joined the band.
Speaker 1: And they're like, yeah, that's Fleetwood Mac. So that was
Speaker 1: lyrics and the song was the name of a song. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll explain it to you. It comes in. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a whole thing. So I am embracing myself to this one.
Speaker 1: Well Fleetwood Mac. As you know, it's hard to define, capture,
Speaker 1: wrap your arms around. It's just a ball of mess
Speaker 1: and energy and desire. Chaos exactly. It's a little chaos engine, right,
Speaker 1: but also it sounds legendard to capture. It starts as
Speaker 1: a blues band and it changes. I mean it's it's
Speaker 1: like four bands and one right now, just to kind
Speaker 1: of like let people know how wild the band is.
Speaker 1: Like people think of Stevie Nicks, and we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about Stevie Nicks because I got a little story for
Speaker 1: you about Stevie Nicks. You're ready, witch, I'm ready. So
Speaker 1: this story is about a million dollars worth of cocaine,
Speaker 1: Hitler's train and learning how to be coke with your butt.
Speaker 1: You're ready. You want to know why you shouldn't do coke.
Speaker 1: Here's why Exhibit B and Exhibit CE. Alright, Elizabeth, if
Speaker 1: I said the word cocaine, then I said, Stevie Nicks.
Speaker 1: You would next say, of course, and the other ones
Speaker 1: I would say, is but cocaine because known for this
Speaker 1: and what do I mean by buck cocaine is it
Speaker 1: refers to the time when Steven Knicks firs joint Fleetwood mix.
Speaker 1: She was She was a good girl. She was not
Speaker 1: someone who's doing a lot of drugs. She gets into
Speaker 1: the fast life. She's like, hey, I like this cocaine.
Speaker 1: This stuff so alright, come sitting next to me. Cocaine Now.
Speaker 1: She loved it so much she burns all like a
Speaker 1: dime sized hole in her septum. Right, So those is
Speaker 1: like unable for her to do the snorting she wants.
Speaker 1: But she's like, but I still love the cocaine, So
Speaker 1: how do I get it into my body? She's like, well,
Speaker 1: I do have this personal assistant. They have to do
Speaker 1: what I asked him to do. So they came up
Speaker 1: with an ingenious and I say ingenious, loosely way to
Speaker 1: get the cocaine into a system. Do you know how?
Speaker 1: I do know how. I'll let you share. That was it.
Speaker 1: She had the assistant blow it up for tutor. Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: She got like a straw right right there in the
Speaker 1: poop shoot and then I don't know. This is the
Speaker 1: part of that makes sense to me, is so you
Speaker 1: loaded up in the straw on one end and then
Speaker 1: like I guess, like hold it in balance and then
Speaker 1: insert the straw and then blow. Yeah. I was trying
Speaker 1: to work out the dynamics anyway, she reverse siphoning of gasoline. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it just seemed like do you want to get
Speaker 1: it in the middle of the straw? So I mean
Speaker 1: you're going it was I think you probably loaded at
Speaker 1: the front end of the straw in there just cramp,
Speaker 1: just shove it and ram it on it like sneezer.
Speaker 1: You had that moment you're like and you like suck
Speaker 1: it back in. Well, no, I think you take a
Speaker 1: deep breath with your thumb over it and then you
Speaker 1: blow into the but you don't want to put too
Speaker 1: much air and then it's sprays back out at you.
Speaker 1: I'm now I'm overthinking what happened? Okay, so but like
Speaker 1: one of those like um fireplace, what's that called for
Speaker 1: stokers from? What are those things called the accordion? Stoker bellows, bello,
Speaker 1: there you go, thank you producer. Day just but then
Speaker 1: it's like too much pressure and then it all shoots
Speaker 1: back up and everyone's cocaine ever in a fine dust. Well,
Speaker 1: keeping the fine dust aside for a second. The I
Speaker 1: promise you Hitler's Hitler's train, right, So there's another reason
Speaker 1: why not to do cocaine. When they were traveling in
Speaker 1: Europe doing a tour, they're like, we need We're doing
Speaker 1: so many drugs, we can't risk it, and we need
Speaker 1: a place to be able to be ourselves. So but
Speaker 1: also we're decading in seventies and full of ourselves. We
Speaker 1: need something plush. We can't just have a tour bus.
Speaker 1: Let's get a tour train. So they rented a rain
Speaker 1: carriage and pretty awesome. Yeah, they're traveling around like the Netherlands, France.
Speaker 1: You know how I feel about trains. I knew you
Speaker 1: would like this. I was like, you know, who's gonna
Speaker 1: really appreciate this. So they go and they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: we need something luxurious. And then because it's Germany and
Speaker 1: the Netherlands and France, people are like, oh, we got,
Speaker 1: you know, plenty of trains, and so they get one
Speaker 1: and they hire this train and it's supposed to take
Speaker 1: them around the continent do all the blow they want.
Speaker 1: Turns out the train had been Hitler's personal carriage, right,
Speaker 1: So it's outfit with all these decaded gold fixtures, velvet curtain,
Speaker 1: a lot of read well appointed divans. You know, it's
Speaker 1: just really right. Everything is the way Hitler liked it,
Speaker 1: and it included in the rental price of this train carriage.
Speaker 1: Came a personal attendant. He was this really old German Man,
Speaker 1: old Elizabeth. He had once been Hitler's personal assistance. That's
Speaker 1: exactly like, that's the kind where where was your dad?
Speaker 1: Where were you in the war? Literally, so that's what
Speaker 1: cocaine can do for you. Anyway, So we're not here
Speaker 1: to talk at cocaine. They We're here to talk about
Speaker 1: battling Fleetwood. Manup, okay, the original lineup for Fleetwood Mac.
Speaker 1: I didn't know this. I had to look it up.
Speaker 1: It's also a point of debate. Apparently, people look say, no,
Speaker 1: this is when it was the original lineup. This is
Speaker 1: the original lineup, but as best as I can determine,
Speaker 1: the original lineup was Peter Green, Danny Kerwin, Jeremy Spencer,
Speaker 1: John McVie, and Mick Fleetwood. And they had a manager,
Speaker 1: Clifford Davis, who was really involved, who was the co
Speaker 1: founder of the band. Okay, okay, so Mick Fleetwood was
Speaker 1: an original member, original member. Maybe that song Fleetwood Mac
Speaker 1: was about him. Oh, I'll explain it. Don't let that
Speaker 1: dango out there. I'll give you plenty of clue. Okay. Now,
Speaker 1: the things start well for the band. They're in the UK.
Speaker 1: They're doing this like you know, blues revival sound, and
Speaker 1: this is like the late sixties now nineteen seventy. Peter
Speaker 1: Green's like, look, guys, I'm out. It's not doing what
Speaker 1: I thought we're gonna do. So a year later, Jeremy
Speaker 1: Spencers like, look i'm out too. I'm gonna go do
Speaker 1: my own blues thing. Cliff Davis is like, okay, well
Speaker 1: that's no problem. Hires two new cats. He it's Bob
Speaker 1: Welch and Christine Mcvighe to join the band. So Christine
Speaker 1: mcvige comes in starts to really shape the sound. And
Speaker 1: now this is also kind of a difficult time for
Speaker 1: the band though, because Mick Fleetwood's like, you know, who
Speaker 1: are we? What are we becoming right on the precipice
Speaker 1: of success? What do we need to do to break
Speaker 1: through in America? So now in nineteen seventy three, we
Speaker 1: have two original members of the band left, John McVie
Speaker 1: and Mick Fleetwood. We've got the new members Bob Welch,
Speaker 1: he's on guitar and vocals. We've got Christine McVie on
Speaker 1: keyboards of vocals, and Bob Weston on guitars and vocals.
Speaker 1: Because it's the seventies band, Isn't Mick Fleetwood like nine
Speaker 1: ft tall? It's really really tall. Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: like nine ft two. I had a painting boss, so
Speaker 1: I used to go over to his house and like
Speaker 1: while he poured himself a morning cocktail and he would
Speaker 1: he would watch this um like I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: like a PDS like we if you donate this year,
Speaker 1: we'll give you this special and it was of it
Speaker 1: was like a boomer like made gift pasket. And so
Speaker 1: you get like the Fleetwood Mac performance, but the USC
Speaker 1: marching band for Tusk and that's yeah for Tusk. And
Speaker 1: so we had to watch before we before we could
Speaker 1: leave the house. He had to hear TuS. I got
Speaker 1: to hear the band. Do you think that that was
Speaker 1: like one of those PBS things in like the early
Speaker 1: nineties when Clinton had the whole dumb up completely, just
Speaker 1: as a hangover of that Our sound, Our moment in
Speaker 1: the morning breakfast. So the h in true Fleetwood Max style,
Speaker 1: things are going well but also a little bit stressy
Speaker 1: and messy. Right, So what happens is, you know, something
Speaker 1: else very Fleetwood Mackie, an extra marital affair breaks out.
Speaker 1: Now Bob Weston has an affair with Nick Fleetwood's wife,
Speaker 1: Jenny Boyd, and the affair, obviously meant to remain secret,
Speaker 1: does not remain secret. Mick Fleetwood learns about his wife
Speaker 1: cheating with his new guitar player, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's destroyed by the double betrayal. Right, He's like, I
Speaker 1: want to quit my tour, I want to quit the band,
Speaker 1: I want to quit the marriage. I just want to
Speaker 1: quit everything, right, big emotional guy. So manager Cliff Davis
Speaker 1: is like, oh man, this is this is not good.
Speaker 1: Everybody I got band members asleep and he wants to
Speaker 1: break it up or right on the edge of success.
Speaker 1: So he thinks about it for like, I don't know
Speaker 1: thirty seconds. He's like, I got it. I got a solution,
Speaker 1: and so he goes on, I'll just browbeat mc fleetwood.
Speaker 1: He's emotional. I'll threatened him. He's like, So Cliff Davis
Speaker 1: goes to Mick and he's like, if you blow this tour,
Speaker 1: you'll never get another chance. And Mick Fleetwood's like, oh man,
Speaker 1: he's ambitious, he's young, he needs this. So he listens
Speaker 1: to his manager, he considers his options, and then he
Speaker 1: calls Bob Weston. He goes, look, you're fired. And then
Speaker 1: he goes and he calls the tour manager. He's like,
Speaker 1: cancel the tour. So he just do exactly what he
Speaker 1: wanted to do. So there's twenty six dates left on
Speaker 1: this schedule, right, manager Cliff Davis calls the tour manager
Speaker 1: just says, look, do not counsel the dates, don't don't
Speaker 1: tell call anybody. We're on the hook for all this.
Speaker 1: This will kill us. Right, McK fleetwood's gonna go home.
Speaker 1: He's having a family trouble, so he starts brainstorming more.
Speaker 1: He's like, look, I don't need McK fleetwood. I'm Fleetwood
Speaker 1: Mac right. So he decides I can just hire people.
Speaker 1: So I have the legal right to do that because
Speaker 1: I co founded the band and I owned the rights,
Speaker 1: and he's had these contracts because it's like bad music
Speaker 1: business of the sixties and really manipulative contracts. I'ld rely
Speaker 1: like own the right to their ability to publicly perform music,
Speaker 1: you know, like yeah, weird coming tacts right, So he
Speaker 1: goes to the band. He goes, look, Mick Fleetwood's going
Speaker 1: back to the UK, and he's just a little mad
Speaker 1: with you guys, but hell cool out. So why don't
Speaker 1: you guys keep going, I'll hire a new Mick Fleetwood.
Speaker 1: And they're like, you can't do that, bro, We're not
Speaker 1: doing it. It's like, look, do it or you're out
Speaker 1: of the band. And they're like, well what band? Are
Speaker 1: we still a band? He's like yeah, we gotta finish
Speaker 1: twenty six dates and like oh. So they get together
Speaker 1: have a little like chit chat about and they're like, no,
Speaker 1: we're not doing it. Blow Cliff. Cliff was like, all right, fine,
Speaker 1: I can I'll get a whole new band. So he
Speaker 1: hires a whole new Fleetwood map right, and he tells, you, guys,
Speaker 1: you got twenty six dates. Let's hit becomes a band
Speaker 1: before you went that cover band, before they're famous. Now
Speaker 1: there's a problem with this because when he hires the
Speaker 1: new band, he tells them your Fleetwood Mac. You guys
Speaker 1: are just you know, tour musicians. Mick Fleetwood's gonna be
Speaker 1: back on tour. And that is as you know, we
Speaker 1: in the story industry, we call that a lie. They
Speaker 1: they there was no meat Fleetwood coming back, so they
Speaker 1: were they were hired under the idea that this was
Speaker 1: a temporary fix. They didn't know that they were Fleetwood.
Speaker 1: They were not told you're now Fleetwood. They were scabs
Speaker 1: and they were not even well placed skes. So Cliff Davis,
Speaker 1: so he's focused on the band's momentum. That's the only
Speaker 1: thing that matters to him. Quality was job number two.
Speaker 1: He was like, look, as far as we keep everything rolling,
Speaker 1: how it's rock music, How hard could this be? You know,
Speaker 1: I headed the g string. I don't know. So Cliff
Speaker 1: Davis He's like, Okay, this is my band, and he
Speaker 1: would explain it to anybody and uh, I'll explain it
Speaker 1: to you. I quote from Cliff Davis. I've always been
Speaker 1: the leader of the band, as much a lot of
Speaker 1: people over the years. If constructed. The Fleetwood Mac is
Speaker 1: Fleetwood and McVie. Fleetwood Mac was a song written by
Speaker 1: Peter Green when he was with John May. All Okay,
Speaker 1: that's like his whole like, it can't be there. It's
Speaker 1: not about Mick Fleetwood. It's about me me, and so
Speaker 1: he then like, since it's about this Peter Green song.
Speaker 1: This was also part of the contract aspect because Christine
Speaker 1: McVie had a contract with him which he first joined
Speaker 1: the band. So to get around the new Mick Fleetwood
Speaker 1: that is created, Mick Fleetwood is left with only one recourse,
Speaker 1: which is legal. He's like, let's start filing contracts. You
Speaker 1: love lawyers, so uh well, I don't. I don't really
Speaker 1: know this band, but the maybe some of these names
Speaker 1: will be familiar to you. You know music better than
Speaker 1: I do. The new Fleetwood Mac was like one cat
Speaker 1: named Elmer Gantry. I know it from the movies. I
Speaker 1: don't hear a person right now. That's not his real name.
Speaker 1: His mom and named him Dave Todd. Dave Todd and
Speaker 1: then there's cur Be Gregory, Paul Martinez, a cat named
Speaker 1: John Dave or David Wilkinson. And then there was Craig Collingay.
Speaker 1: This band goes out of Sleetwood Mac. The band is
Speaker 1: set to do their first shows in January February nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy four. Right now, first show they're gonna do. It's Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Now, Elizabeth,
Speaker 1: I would like you to close your eyes and picture
Speaker 1: it and check one to three. Check your backstage. You're
Speaker 1: working as a concert promoter. The seventies have been good
Speaker 1: to you. Your friend is a newly self minted music producer,
Speaker 1: Rich Angler, and he's the one who's called you in
Speaker 1: to help with this new show. You spot your friend
Speaker 1: Rich Angler, moving fast backstage. You want to flag him
Speaker 1: down and ask about the timetable for the show. You
Speaker 1: hope to have a few minutes alone with the band
Speaker 1: so you can ask them, abou didn't you last the
Speaker 1: many changes for the set or a request for their
Speaker 1: stage package. You wanted all to go so well for
Speaker 1: your friend rich Now Angler just recently started this new
Speaker 1: concert promotion business, as you are well aware, and you
Speaker 1: know that he's nervous about everything, So you let him
Speaker 1: streak past you. You don't interrupt. You're figuring he's handling something.
Speaker 1: You'll catch him later. But then you see him stop
Speaker 1: dead in his tracks, and you he pauses to talk
Speaker 1: with the man. You recognize his Cliff Davis, the manager
Speaker 1: of the band that's about to go on, and you
Speaker 1: hear Angler asked Cliff Davis, where the hell is Fleetwood Mac?
Speaker 1: But you just saw the band in their dressing room.
Speaker 1: In fact, you're sure of it, and you saw Anglers
Speaker 1: speak with them earlier, so he should know they're here.
Speaker 1: What is he asking? Where's Fleetwood Mac? Then it all
Speaker 1: makes sense to you when you hear Angler tell the
Speaker 1: manager Cliff Davis, I don't know what the hell you
Speaker 1: think you're polling, but that's not Fleetwood Mac in the
Speaker 1: dressing room. Who the hell are those bozos? Bozos? I
Speaker 1: love calling people both. Cliff Davis keeps insisting that those
Speaker 1: bozos are indeed Fleetwood Mac. So Angler knows the band personally,
Speaker 1: he's he's loves the he's friends with the band. This
Speaker 1: is his first show. He hired them knowing it would
Speaker 1: be a success because Fleetwood Mac would go out there
Speaker 1: and hello, Pittsburgh and knock it at dead right. He
Speaker 1: needs that, not these bows. So Rich Angler tells Cliff
Speaker 1: Davis he doesn't know, like what you can get away
Speaker 1: with in the UK, but this is Pittsburgh, man, and
Speaker 1: they don't go for that. Queen's English bollocks. Three River
Speaker 1: City man. Rich Angler he tells the manager of the
Speaker 1: so called Fleetwood Mac they ain't going on my stage,
Speaker 1: and Cliff Davis is like, yeah, they are, I got
Speaker 1: a contract and so rich is like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what to do about that. I'm knowing this business. So
Speaker 1: he loses his cool. He gets emotional. He takes a
Speaker 1: swing at Cliff David. He is like, yeah, haul's off,
Speaker 1: decks him right. The Cliff Davis is pretty quick. It
Speaker 1: barely hits him because this is not the first time
Speaker 1: someone has wanted to punch. Cliff David ready for the swing,
Speaker 1: so he dodges the first punch. He gets caught by
Speaker 1: the surprise second and while Rich Anglers standing over going
Speaker 1: that's Pittsburgh's son. You're like about to try to calm
Speaker 1: him down, and then you're like this real fist fight.
Speaker 1: Rock and roll babies, this is what's happened in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: but security runs over, breaks it up, and Angler throws
Speaker 1: up his fan his hands in disgust and he's like,
Speaker 1: look fine, let him on stage. I don't give a
Speaker 1: flying fig. It's their reputation you're ruining, not mine. Ten
Speaker 1: minutes later, pretend Fleetwood Mac takes the stage. Band starts playing.
Speaker 1: They know the hits, They played the songs right, you know,
Speaker 1: and they played the new songs off the new album,
Speaker 1: and surprise, surprise, they actually sound good. It sounds like
Speaker 1: Fleetwood Mac. And you catch up to Rich Angler and
Speaker 1: you're happily surprised to hear him say to look at
Speaker 1: that the band, whoever the hell they are, not have
Speaker 1: bad You're like, oh, went went well for him? Like kiss,
Speaker 1: he was so nervous. But you joke that the audience
Speaker 1: must be like, I don't know, zonked out of their
Speaker 1: head on goofball pills. What's the deal? Are they high
Speaker 1: on the maui wali because this is clearly not Fleetwood Mac.
Speaker 1: But England just looks at you, like, where do you
Speaker 1: get these references? Have been injecting doobies? Are they? Are
Speaker 1: they on the tie sticks? So Fleetwood Mac, you know,
Speaker 1: they're like I guess Pittsburgh doesn't know what Fleetwood Mac
Speaker 1: looks like. And just this sounds like the crowd is
Speaker 1: cool with the show, but the real heads recognized this
Speaker 1: band is not Fleetwood Mac. And then you go and
Speaker 1: they demand their money back, and Angler doesn't want to
Speaker 1: have problems, so he gives out the refunds. Everything's cool,
Speaker 1: onto the next show. Now, after a short break, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you how this all goes really badly and turns
Speaker 1: into a legal nightmare. Alright, Elizabeth, I left you in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: Did leave me in Pittsburgh. I'm gonna pick you up
Speaker 1: there and we're gonna travel onto Potsdam, New York. All right,
Speaker 1: that's upstate New York. Yes, in Potsdam, New York, the
Speaker 1: fake band they play another show. This one's kind of
Speaker 1: intended like it's like a Broadway show, like on the
Speaker 1: road before you hit Broadway. They're supposed to kind of
Speaker 1: get because the next tour date is New York City
Speaker 1: and they've got to be on point for New York.
Speaker 1: So they play pots Day. Things go well, and then
Speaker 1: they get to New York on schedule. This is gonna
Speaker 1: be rock. Journalists are there and they've already heard rumors
Speaker 1: about the Pittsburgh show. It's filtered out, and now they
Speaker 1: know there's some fake band pretending to be Fleetwood Mac.
Speaker 1: And they're like, we got to see this for our show.
Speaker 1: And some of them they know Cliff Davis, so they
Speaker 1: call him up there like I need an exclusive interview.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need the story on this, and yeahh come
Speaker 1: on to the hotel. Right the Cliff Davis tells some
Speaker 1: rock journalists, right, this is my band. I've always been
Speaker 1: the leader of the band as such. And so they're like,
Speaker 1: well what, yeah, but does this Fleetwood Mac? It is
Speaker 1: if I say it is, right, so, and then he
Speaker 1: adds that he goes back to his previous lie, which
Speaker 1: is Mick Fleetwood. He flew home for family troubles, right,
Speaker 1: and he's like telling everybody he flew to America in January,
Speaker 1: God is gotten some problems, flew back and he'll be
Speaker 1: back soon. He's just give him some time, give them
Speaker 1: made a little air. Now the show must go on
Speaker 1: right right now, Everybody's like, yeah, okay, man, Cliff Davis,
Speaker 1: your band. I guess this is the new Fleetwood Mac.
Speaker 1: Until it kicks back right New York City show goes off. Now,
Speaker 1: remember that half good momentum coming out of Pittsburgh kept
Speaker 1: going into Potsdam. But right before the show, half an
Speaker 1: hour before they're supposed to go on to New York City,
Speaker 1: Elmer Gantry comes out goes, I don't have a voice.
Speaker 1: I've just lost my voice. The concert promoters like, what
Speaker 1: are you talking? What do you mean you have to
Speaker 1: tell you would have known this hours ago. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: just happened right, So, like apparently Cat loses his voice
Speaker 1: totally gone. So no one knows what to do. They
Speaker 1: call up like basically the lawyer and like, the way,
Speaker 1: what do we do? We I would get back the
Speaker 1: money to all thirty people are here and it's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: not giving back any money. Um, here's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: Just have the band go out and make an announcement
Speaker 1: and then that meets our contractual obligations. And they're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna do. So they go out and
Speaker 1: they they have this. By the way, the opening act
Speaker 1: for this show is Kiss. So the crowd is how
Speaker 1: big is the venue is this see Academy. It's like
Speaker 1: it's a hold of like five thousand people. It's like
Speaker 1: a pretty big floor, you know, kind of like fillmore
Speaker 1: is what I was imagining. I didn't actually, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: If they had like tour insurance that they would have
Speaker 1: to I don't know. Yeah, I'm sure they have all
Speaker 1: of the riders and back and requirements and and like
Speaker 1: you know, the aspects of like you must cancel by
Speaker 1: this and this percentage of refunds. So they were opening
Speaker 1: Kisses opening, Yeah, so they have they have Kiss hotting
Speaker 1: up the crowd and they've got the lawyer going. And
Speaker 1: then go out there and tell them they we're not
Speaker 1: going to do full makeup Kiss full makeup, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: on the high boot, all leather, white tongues, hang Gene
Speaker 1: Simmons is making everyone in the first row pregnant. Yes,
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's just Fleetwood Mac and that is a
Speaker 1: crazy lineup. Yeah, right, So pretend Fleetwood Mac follows Kiss
Speaker 1: on stage with whatever's whatever is left on stage for
Speaker 1: them to perform, and the band tries to carry on
Speaker 1: with an overly long instrumental set that the crowd has
Speaker 1: been worn. Look, the lead singers sick, guys. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna just do like a jam if that's cool. But
Speaker 1: if you don't want to hear that. You've got fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes to go ask for a refund. So eight hundred
Speaker 1: of the thirty four under people go and ask for
Speaker 1: a refund. I'm out, I'm New York. I got other
Speaker 1: better things to do than here a thirty minute jam.
Speaker 1: A lot of people like I really want to hear Hi, man,
Speaker 1: I've been waiting to hear Fleetwood Mac. So they sit
Speaker 1: down and listen to the jams or whatever. Now New
Speaker 1: York rock journalists are there, and the music press, for
Speaker 1: an entirely different experience, want the scoop all right, right,
Speaker 1: They're like, where the hell's Fleetwood Mac? And who are
Speaker 1: these Boswood Mac? So they write their stories, stories get
Speaker 1: written published. A filter across the Atlantic reads the story
Speaker 1: freaks out because remember once again precipice of success, like
Speaker 1: they are about to go huge and they lose it
Speaker 1: on just this is a terrible story. So he started
Speaker 1: immediately getting on the phone and going I had no
Speaker 1: idea what's going I didn't know the band was still
Speaker 1: on tour. I'm over in the UK. How can they
Speaker 1: be on tour without me? And everyone's like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: totally get to your pist. So then cloth Davis is like,
Speaker 1: what's he saying? What's Cliff Davis do? Is like, told you?
Speaker 1: He sues him. So he sues Mick Fleetwood, you gotta
Speaker 1: stop saying that I owned the band. You you can't
Speaker 1: say what you're saying. So he then tells Mick Fleetwood
Speaker 1: he cannot perform as mic as Fleetwood Mac. He cannot,
Speaker 1: you know, record as Fleetwood Mac. He owns it and
Speaker 1: fleet and Mick Fleetwood's like, no, no, no, that that
Speaker 1: that's not how this goes. We have a whole different agreement.
Speaker 1: So they start going and countersuing each other losses are
Speaker 1: becomes a whole nightmare. Rolling Stone covers all of this,
Speaker 1: going to the contemporaneous coverage from Rolling Stone, quote, when
Speaker 1: is a Fleetwood Mac not a Fleetwood Mac? Although there
Speaker 1: is a band called Fleetwood Mac currently in the midst
Speaker 1: of a two and a half month US tour, that
Speaker 1: question is puzzling some promoters, some fans, and Warner Brothers.
Speaker 1: So to answer this question of what makes a Fleetwood
Speaker 1: Mac of Fleetwood Mac, the rock magazine spoke with the
Speaker 1: manager Cliff Davis, and everyone wants to get to the
Speaker 1: bottom of this mystery and Cliff Davis says, and I quote,
Speaker 1: I want to get this out of the public's mind.
Speaker 1: As far as the band being Mick Fleetwood's band, the
Speaker 1: band is my band. The band has always been my band.
Speaker 1: Band manager. This is some like Minuto level stuff, just
Speaker 1: a rotatum in as are six under sixteen. This wasn't
Speaker 1: enough because he wanted to really squash any Mick Fleetwood's power.
Speaker 1: So Cliff Davis ads, I just decided it was time
Speaker 1: to change the band, certainly on stage, and that's what
Speaker 1: I did. I've always been thought of the leader. I've
Speaker 1: always thought of picked who was going to be in
Speaker 1: it and who wasn't. I decided to keep Mick, how
Speaker 1: decent of him. Yeah, So this wasn't obviously the full story.
Speaker 1: So going back to the pages of Rolling Stone, and
Speaker 1: I quote Bob Welch, the American guitarist who joined Fleetwood
Speaker 1: two and a half years ago when original member Jeremy
Speaker 1: Spencer found god in Los Angeles, denied the whole David's
Speaker 1: story at Presstin was in route to England to meet
Speaker 1: with Fleetwood, the Nick Vee's Weston and lawyers to straighten
Speaker 1: the whole matter out. So now we're going to get
Speaker 1: into more of the counter sing. Yeah. As far as
Speaker 1: Mick Fleetwood's take on this whole debaclest he always kept
Speaker 1: it short in the press. Is much as possible, Mick
Speaker 1: would tell the press of the day and I quote
Speaker 1: the last thing we needed. It was also the most
Speaker 1: preposterous thing we've ever heard in the greatest betrayal from
Speaker 1: one of my own that we could have imagined. He
Speaker 1: keeps going with the emotional. So then we have the
Speaker 1: band's label, Warner Brothers once their take on the two
Speaker 1: Fleetwood Max which one do they have? Right? They've got
Speaker 1: business interest to consider right now. And I quote from
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone. At Warner Brothers in Burbank, Don schmitz Ley,
Speaker 1: executive director label management, has been on the case. I'm
Speaker 1: in the midst of trying to find out who has
Speaker 1: exclusivity on the name. He said, until then the record
Speaker 1: company can do nothing. So they legally cannot until they're
Speaker 1: it's determined who is Fleetwood Mac. It goes on like this,
Speaker 1: and uh, lawsuits are going back and forth. We're in
Speaker 1: mid seventy four right, so a court steps in from
Speaker 1: the UK side. The UK High Court rules at the
Speaker 1: band to be granted an injunction that prevents manager Cliff
Speaker 1: Davis from putting his fake Fleetwood mac out there. Like,
Speaker 1: clearly you're in so how's this an issue? But in
Speaker 1: the exciting world of contract law, that was not enough.
Speaker 1: So Fleetwood finds that Cliff Davis's contract still does preclude
Speaker 1: him from being able to legally record and put out
Speaker 1: albums and sell them. So there's injunctions going back and forth.
Speaker 1: Davis controls performance rights for Christine McVie, so they can't perform,
Speaker 1: which he's in it. Then he has recording rights on
Speaker 1: Mick Fleetwood, so everything's all blocked up. Mc fleetwood goes
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles and it's like, maybe we can record
Speaker 1: a new album. They do. They call it Heroes Are
Speaker 1: Hard to Find and then the group that's the name
Speaker 1: of the album they put it out. Okay, mccliff Davis,
Speaker 1: being an English bulldog, he sues from the UK. He's like,
Speaker 1: you can't just put it out in America because they
Speaker 1: don't sell it in UKA. They just sell it and
Speaker 1: he's like, look, you have a UK law will come
Speaker 1: for us in America down to the U S courts
Speaker 1: essentially is the challenge, right, So he Thence files a
Speaker 1: fresh lawsuit and cites his contract with Christine McVie. So
Speaker 1: Cliff Davis just stays filing paper right now, the battling
Speaker 1: Fleetwood Max. They continue to start kele and swipe at
Speaker 1: each other in court, and this goes on and on.
Speaker 1: But apparently some of this vitriol may not have been
Speaker 1: real at all, because I found a twenti seventeen BBC
Speaker 1: radio interview where the aforementioned Elmer Gantry spoke out on
Speaker 1: the matter. Elbert so Elmer said, Cliff Davis, he approached them.
Speaker 1: He said, Hey, I want you guys to form a
Speaker 1: new band that would be called Fleetwood Mac. He said
Speaker 1: new band Fleetwood Max. So that was clear. But at
Speaker 1: first they were down because they thought Mick Fleetwood was
Speaker 1: gonna be in. So they were confused about new Fleetwood Mac.
Speaker 1: But still Mick Fleetwood's I'm like, okay whatever. Now that's
Speaker 1: also the what Mick told them. He told the replacements,
Speaker 1: I'm coming back to be in the band with you.
Speaker 1: So that contradicts everything because he's supposed to be all
Speaker 1: angry about this. Gantry said in an interview, Mick Fleetwood
Speaker 1: came to our house and we talked through the new
Speaker 1: band and it all seemed fine. Mick said, well, I
Speaker 1: can't actually come and rehearse with you. It was like
Speaker 1: fairly imminent going to the America to tour, but if
Speaker 1: you got a temporary drummer, I'll go and join you
Speaker 1: for the tour. So he's like basically saying that Mick
Speaker 1: told him the same planing Cliff Davis did. Apparently, either
Speaker 1: Mick was a you know, he's in on the dupe
Speaker 1: the whole time, or Elmer Gantry's memory is a little
Speaker 1: like you know, or or none of these are reliable narrators.
Speaker 1: Nobody remembers the truth right, But apparently Elmer Gantry did
Speaker 1: say he and fake Fleetwood Mac went over potential set
Speaker 1: list with Mick Fleetwood and he gave his approval to
Speaker 1: the set list. So he was very well aware. So
Speaker 1: this wasn't a surprise at all from what he said. Now,
Speaker 1: whatever lies chaos, that's the Fleetwood Mac way. Now let's
Speaker 1: get back to their album. Heroes are hard to find,
Speaker 1: right that to support this album, they go out on
Speaker 1: tour in America and they're like, what are you gonna
Speaker 1: do about it? Bro? Come after us? Right, And he's like,
Speaker 1: of course, but they have more problems and other members,
Speaker 1: like the dude Bob Welch is like, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to leave the band. This is all
Speaker 1: just getting into so much of a problem. I can't
Speaker 1: do anymore. I have nothing left to give. That's a
Speaker 1: literal quote. I have nothing to give. So the next year,
Speaker 1: Mick Fleetwood he's in Los Angeles thinking about like doing
Speaker 1: another album because he hasn't had like you know, he's
Speaker 1: able to be able to record the album and release
Speaker 1: it in America. Cliff Davis can't totally block him, so
Speaker 1: he's messing around into studio trying to decide what to
Speaker 1: do in a sound Engineers like, hey man, you guys
Speaker 1: need to record here because we got this new board
Speaker 1: and here you got to hear this new uh this
Speaker 1: demo album I just recorded. So he puts on the
Speaker 1: demo album to show off the capabilities of the studio,
Speaker 1: and Mick Fleetwood, here's his future just appear in the air.
Speaker 1: He's like, what is this? This debut turns out to
Speaker 1: be an LP featured two young American talents, Stevie Nicks
Speaker 1: and Lindsey Buckingham. So the next year they've reform as
Speaker 1: the new Fleetwood Mat and that's the one that I
Speaker 1: know about, right, So they record albums, they break through everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, boom tusk, the whole bit, so Landslide shomers
Speaker 1: now as the rest day is music history, and of
Speaker 1: course cocaine and affairs, lots lots of affairs and lots
Speaker 1: of like witchy woman spinning in shawls, lots of shawls
Speaker 1: and campbells. Yes, incense and peppermint love it. So, Elizabeth Zar,
Speaker 1: what is a ridiculous takeaway here? Ridiculous takeaway is the
Speaker 1: music industry is a mess. Yes, and they love lawyers.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, and everyone would benefit from mediation. Oh,
Speaker 1: like it should have gone to a mediator. I just
Speaker 1: love the fight over the name Fleetwood Mac. And I've
Speaker 1: actually thought a lot about Fleetwood Mac being Mick Fleetwood
Speaker 1: Christine mcviigh, like I if you said, zaren're gonna cut
Speaker 1: off a finger if you can't, if you can't tell
Speaker 1: us how fewood Like I love when we do these
Speaker 1: kind of like oh you know, but like imagine being
Speaker 1: in a situation like literally where someone's like I'm going
Speaker 1: to cut off your finger. You can't can't tell me
Speaker 1: how did I get to this place in my life
Speaker 1: that this is happening. I'm like like a dock on
Speaker 1: a lake somewhere and I don't know these anyway. Um,
Speaker 1: did you ever get Did you rEFInd the song Fleetwood
Speaker 1: Mac that Dude City wrote? No? I didn't even look.
Speaker 1: What's it about? I assume Fleetwood Mac? Is it about
Speaker 1: Mick Fleetwood being a mac being the Mac? Yes, it's
Speaker 1: Fleetwood the Mac. Doesn't it doesn't compute like I didn't
Speaker 1: believe because like this makes no sense. I treated this
Speaker 1: story like skiing, right, like the first time I went skiing.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I don't do it. What I mean
Speaker 1: is that, like I found myself on top of a
Speaker 1: mountain n ski before. I didn't know what to do.
Speaker 1: I didn't take a lesson, I had no idea what
Speaker 1: was going on. I just wanted to get through it,
Speaker 1: so I said shut myself off. I started going got
Speaker 1: faster and got crazier, and I just held on. And
Speaker 1: suddenly I was at the bottom and I was like,
Speaker 1: I made it through that. I don't know how. So
Speaker 1: I didn't pause to ask what is this Fleetwood Max?
Speaker 1: So I was just like a tree going past. I
Speaker 1: was like I didn't hit that nice. So that's what
Speaker 1: I got for you is a sensation. I can tell
Speaker 1: you the sensation of that makes sense. Yeah, there's still
Speaker 1: I'm just hey, there's Google. Look it up. I guess
Speaker 1: that's that's my ridiculous little thing called Google. Well, you
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