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Speaker 1: And welcome to Lake Again's Live.

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Speaker 2: It is Tuesday at October twenty fifth Field Our Over

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, brought to you proudly by Academy Sports

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Speaker 2: and Outdoors.

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Speaker 1: We got predictions, we got polls, We've.

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Speaker 2: Got major predicaments in College Station and Coral Gables were

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Speaker 2: jam packed, Hyatafe previously rainy but now very clear and

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Speaker 2: tranquil Downtown Nashville, Tennessee. I'm going to talk about what's

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Speaker 2: happening into Texas A and m It's not good. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to talk about what's happening at Miami.

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Speaker 1: It's not good.

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Speaker 2: Two programs and two different predicaments but getting the same results.

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Speaker 2: And those are losses on the field on Saturday. A

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Speaker 2: lot of folks are just trying to take blow torches

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Speaker 2: to those programs.

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Speaker 1: That's not our style. Here.

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Speaker 2: We're going to identify problems and here's the bold step

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Speaker 2: forward that we're going to try and take tonight, perhaps

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Speaker 2: even propose some solutions.

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Speaker 1: Not popular.

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Speaker 2: I'm told it doesn't grade well, it doesn't score well

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Speaker 2: in the analytics community, but we're gonna do it anyway.

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Speaker 2: I got full week nine predictions.

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Speaker 1: Tonight.

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Speaker 2: We got three games that we're gonna break down. I

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Speaker 2: got a new JP pole. I'm told that something's happening

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Speaker 2: on the JP pole tonight for the first time this year,

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Speaker 2: and I've confirmed that with stats and info. I've got

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Speaker 2: four three or four I can't remember best bets. We

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Speaker 2: got some best bets to add at the end of

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Speaker 2: the show. And you know what else, we have people

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Speaker 2: checking in from all over the country and beyond. Nova

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Speaker 2: Scotia is tuned in tonight Augusta, Georgia, Syracuse, New York.

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Speaker 1: Comes in South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: I took a gander at our own internal numbers early

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Speaker 2: this morning. Looks like we added another thousand subscribers over

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Speaker 2: the past week.

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Speaker 1: They just keep ticking up, keep ticking up.

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Speaker 2: Previously, the goal was let's get to one hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty k by New Years forget New Year's.

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Speaker 1: We can get there much quicker than that.

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Speaker 2: And when we do, I'm gonna let you decide what

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Speaker 2: the big prize is for the entire Late Kick community.

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Speaker 2: Paate state if you will, and we will decide amongst ourselves.

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Speaker 2: But I think we're gonna get there pretty quick because

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Speaker 2: we're insane on adding numbers right now on a roll.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for that, We're going to go

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Speaker 2: a lot of different directions. This Tuesday Night Show is

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Speaker 2: going to be a little abnormal. Normally it's just predicting

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Speaker 2: a bunch of games, but there's so much happening, especially

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Speaker 2: with Miami and Texas A and m and you guys

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Speaker 2: have been asking me about that NonStop that I'm not

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Speaker 2: gonna wait until Thursday. We're going to talk about that tonight.

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Speaker 2: But we do prioritize game breakdowns on the Tuesday Night Show,

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Speaker 2: and we got a new JP pole coming in a

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Speaker 2: few minutes too. Let's start with Ohio State and Penn State.

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Speaker 2: It's the Saturday noon Eastern time kickoff, big noon kickoff

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Speaker 2: over there on Fox. I did not expect to be

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Speaker 2: in the mode breaking this game down that we're going

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Speaker 2: to be in. You know that when we get these

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Speaker 2: big points spreads. A lot of times, my approach to

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Speaker 2: breaking down the game is forget about picking the game

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Speaker 2: straight up. It's more along the lines of if the

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Speaker 2: upset were to happen, how would it happen? And so

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Speaker 2: we kind of slam it a little bit more towards

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Speaker 2: talking about the underdog, only because we're trying to find

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Speaker 2: a path for the underdog. Nobody wants to listen to

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Speaker 2: me explain how a fifteen and a half point favorite

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Speaker 2: is the better team and should win. You understand that

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Speaker 2: you've been around here along time. Twenty sixteen is a

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Speaker 2: big rallying cry around State College PA right now, and

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Speaker 2: it should be wasn't that long ago, But perhaps some

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Speaker 2: of you have forgotten.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you what happened then.

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Speaker 2: That is the last time that we saw the kind

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Speaker 2: of loss that we saw Penn State suffer a couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks ago. So you remember, they got blown out

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Speaker 1: Couldn't be me.

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Speaker 2: I still got my white tea on. It's white out

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Speaker 2: every night of the week around here. But some people

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Speaker 2: understandably so when they watched their team give up four

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Speaker 2: that they can win the Big Ten. Well, here's why

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen is important. Okay, James Franklin, In fact, forget

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Speaker 1: Since the year two thousand.

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Speaker 2: The exception that one win was against Ohio State, and

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Speaker 2: it was in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: You know what it is? Well, you know what else

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Speaker 2: Right before then, Penn State had lost to Michigan forty

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Speaker 2: nine to ten I think was the final score. So

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Speaker 2: we have seen them get blown out and then pull

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Speaker 2: Ohio State. Before I think that was in it was

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Speaker 2: the same here you go, rinse, repeat from twenty sixteen?

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Speaker 2: Can you make it happen? And if you do make

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Speaker 2: it happen, how would this happen? Well, it's simple and

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Speaker 2: very complex. Okay at the very surface, you just have

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Speaker 2: we haven't seen before. You know the old adage, just

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Speaker 2: because you hadn't seen it happen doesn't mean it can't happen.

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Speaker 1: That's how upsets shock people all the time.

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Speaker 2: The first thing that I think is imperative for Penn

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Speaker 2: The whole something's got to give. Deal here, Ohio State

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Speaker 2: is scoring touchdowns, not scoring. They're scoring touchdowns on eighty

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Speaker 2: six percent of their trips inside the red zone. Not surprisingly,

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Speaker 2: that is top two in all of FBS. Penn State

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Speaker 1: So what could we see.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you were to paint the picture and paint

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Speaker 2: the path to an upset, we would see Penn State,

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Speaker 2: quite frankly, do what they did last year. In this game,

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Speaker 2: I think Ohio State had to settle for four field goals.

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Speaker 2: They still won, but it was a thirty three to

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Speaker 2: twenty four game. It was a close game because Penn

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Speaker 2: State forced enough field goals. Now, you're not keeping Ohio

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Speaker 2: State out of the end zone. That's completely unpractical. But

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Speaker 2: what you can do is you're gonna force You're gonna

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Speaker 2: it could get really interesting. And there's no way you

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Speaker 2: you're watching a field storming at Beaver Stadium Saturday, night.

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Speaker 1: Jesse, would you guys storm the field if you won

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Speaker 1: this game? Yes or no? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Okay, they will, that's confirmed already. Let security know they

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Speaker 2: will storm the field if they win this game, if

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Speaker 2: that were to happen Saturday. Another thing, it's a stat

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Speaker 2: I rarely talk about fourth down. I think it's relevant here.

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Speaker 2: Ohio State leads the country on fourth down conversion rate.

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Speaker 1: They're perfect.

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Speaker 2: It's nine for nine. I think Georgia is six for six.

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Speaker 2: Those are the only two teams that are one hundred

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Speaker 1: Well, here's my thinking.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you get down into the red zone and you

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Speaker 2: get first and ten, second, five, third and two, fourth

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, that red zone scoring percentage could completely

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Speaker 2: you may look at an Ohio State team who is

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Speaker 2: so perfect on the year in that statistical category, they say,

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Speaker 2: forget it, We're not settling for threes.

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Speaker 1: We're going for it. And if you stop them a

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Speaker 2: Think about the crowbar you've thrown in the bicycle spokes

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Speaker 2: of what is considered normal for this year with these

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Speaker 1: So that's the first thing that.

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Speaker 2: You couldn't ever predict that or forecast that. I'm just

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Speaker 2: saying if it were to happen, that's probably part of it.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is, and this is collectively the whole

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Speaker 1: We use it a lot of times.

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Speaker 2: I am never one to sit here and say Ohio

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Speaker 2: State hasn't played anyone, and therefore they shouldn't be power

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Speaker 2: rated high or ranked high.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe in all that. If you're good, you're good.

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Speaker 2: Now there's another truth that could also parallel that Ohio

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Speaker 2: State could be really good, and it could also be

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Speaker 1: They haven't been tested. That's fine.

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Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with someone saying that, just

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Speaker 2: don't follow it up with and therefore they shouldn't be

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Speaker 2: in the top ten until they get tested. Well, they

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Speaker 2: don't control that, and they played Notre Dame in Week one,

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Speaker 2: they now they're just playing their conference schedule. It's not

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Speaker 2: Actually it is.

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Speaker 1: Their fault, but they shouldn't apologize for it.

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Speaker 2: Well, anyway, I'm saying all that to say, yes, it's

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Speaker 2: possible that since they haven't gotten tested, there are some

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Speaker 2: shown up. If Penn State were to pull the upset,

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Speaker 2: what probably will have happened is a few of those

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Speaker 2: tended to believe they were. You could throw on their

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Speaker 2: State could run the ball yards, procury a little bit

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Speaker 2: because I don't know that they can generate enough pass rush. Here,

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Speaker 2: think about what you're talking about, and you can draw

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Speaker 2: a parallel to Obama Tennessee. The reason Tennessee was able

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Speaker 2: on Bama was matchups, but it was also because they

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Speaker 2: had to account for that passing game. They had to

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Speaker 2: be in nickel all night. They were in dime a

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Speaker 2: Tennessee's able to run it on them. Ohio State will

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Speaker 2: probably probably be able to run the ball enough on

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Speaker 2: Penn State while at the same time taking advantage even

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Speaker 2: if Jackson, Smith and Jigg was not part of the

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Speaker 2: the perimeter to the point where it's a struggle. It's

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Speaker 2: not impossible, but it's a struggle. Luckily, Penn State does

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Speaker 2: in man coverage. Anyway, let's take a look at what

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Speaker 2: the model thinks. The Vegas number currently is Ohio State

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Speaker 2: minus fifteen and a half. It could not be any

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Speaker 2: more in lockstep with the model half a point off.

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Speaker 2: The model we have internally has Ohio State winning by fifteen.

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Speaker 2: As I was trying to decide which way I was

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Speaker 2: going to go on the spread, I'm telling you I'm

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Speaker 1: The JP Pole Week nine edition. I'm riding around yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I'm listening to the cover three pod and one Danny

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Speaker 2: Canell reference won't even do it by name, such a

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Speaker 2: For a guy who has made a career in making

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the party, Illinois. They are number twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Texas Tech also unrated last week. Red Raiders are number

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Speaker 2: Mississippi State. You don't plummet when you lose Tobama around

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Speaker 1: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the jpeople right now. I don't think there'll

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Speaker 2: So I mean it's a waste of time to argue this.

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Speaker 2: you're power rating resumes, I don't know why you even

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Speaker 2: bother with anything Until the end of the year, and

442
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Speaker 2: that would be my advice, don't bother watching this segment

443
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Speaker 2: until the end of the year. I conversely believe there

444
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Speaker 2: are some things that are pretty obvious to the naked

445
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Speaker 2: eye if you understand or fractionally understand the game, where

446
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Speaker 2: you don't have to wait until twelve games are under

447
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Speaker 2: your belt to start to figure out how good a

448
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Speaker 2: team is. I don't think you have to do that.

449
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Speaker 2: And I would also ask this retort, because we got

450
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Speaker 2: to move on, how how do odds makers formulate point spreads?

451
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,720
Speaker 2: If that's a if that's a meaningless tactic of power

452
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Speaker 2: rating teams week one, week three, week five before they've

453
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Speaker 2: played anyone, how do those odds makers formulate lines? Now

454
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 2: you could shoot back at me and prove you don't

455
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Speaker 2: know a lot about what you're talking about.

456
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Speaker 1: And you could say, oh, but underdogs win all the

457
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Speaker 1: time that they do.

458
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Speaker 2: Friend work in a one thousand game sample size, and

459
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Speaker 2: tell me how flawed Vegas's approach is. Work in a

460
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Speaker 2: one thousand game sample size, not a one game. They

461
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Speaker 2: score in threes and sevens. In this sport, the ball

462
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 2: is shaped in an oblonged manner. It bounces in weird

463
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Speaker 2: ways of course, you can cherry pick exceptions to the rule.

464
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Speaker 1: The rule is you are able to power eight teams.

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Speaker 2: You don't always have to have a lineup of top

466
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Speaker 2: ten and top fifteen competition they've played before you figure

467
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Speaker 2: out if someone's good. Now, good teams sometimes lose because

468
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Speaker 2: their schedule is tough, but.

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Speaker 1: You also take that into account.

470
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Speaker 2: So I mean, that's the reason we've got three lost

471
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Speaker 2: teams power rated above one loss and undefeated team sometimes

472
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Speaker 2: because it's relative to who you've played.

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Speaker 1: So I get all that.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's die back in and I've also got

475
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Speaker 2: a lot to talk about with Miami and Texas A

476
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Speaker 2: and m coming up. I Colin confirmed for me that

477
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Speaker 2: we're doing the every given Saturday.

478
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Speaker 1: Tour game right now. Yes, we're doing that. Colin. How

479
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 1: much caffeine have you had today? Yes?

480
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 2: Colin is jacked. He's like a I think I heard

481
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Speaker 2: the other day at Chihuahua and pixie stick dust. That's

482
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Speaker 2: what Colin sounds like in my ear right now, if

483
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Speaker 2: he's real, of course. Okay, Oklahoma State Kansas State, Saturday,

484
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Speaker 2: three thirty Eastern time, kickoff on Fox.

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Speaker 1: This is where we will be. We had Lance In

486
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Speaker 1: here today. He is a local youth from New Jersey and.

487
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Speaker 2: He's been out of that area code maybe once or

488
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Speaker 2: twice in his life. So when he does get out,

489
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Speaker 2: he just talks about New Jersey all the time. So

490
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Speaker 2: when I told him I was headed to Manhattan this weekend,

491
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Speaker 2: he got all excited. And then I waited and I waited,

492
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Speaker 2: and I waited, and I said Manhattan, Kansas. And then

493
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Speaker 2: there was a collective ooh. You know, cause people in

494
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Speaker 2: New Jersey don't even know the state of Kansas exists.

495
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Speaker 2: That's the only thing that Kansas is good for is

496
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Speaker 2: being one of the states that you fly over to

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Speaker 2: get to Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: That's the way they look at it. Well not I,

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Speaker 1: not I Man of the people, Show of the people.

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Speaker 2: So we're headed to Manhattan, Kansas for Oklahoma State Kansas State.

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Speaker 2: Both teams with one loss in conference play, and each

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Speaker 2: one of them got beaten despite building a big early lead.

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Speaker 1: Against the TCU horn Frogs frogs up. Sunny Dykes has

504
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Speaker 1: got a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Going there in Fort Worth, by the way, and we'll

506
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Speaker 2: be talking about him a lot more, I think down

507
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Speaker 2: the stretch, run.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a good feel for this game?

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Speaker 2: Let me start by asking you guys, do you have

510
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Speaker 2: a good feel because I've.

511
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Speaker 1: Gone back and forth.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I would say Jesse about nineteen times today on

513
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Speaker 2: who I'm going to pick to win this. Now, here's

514
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Speaker 2: an update, if I can give you one. On the

515
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Speaker 2: quarterback situation. Adrian Martinez as questionable at best for Kansas State.

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Speaker 2: He's got an undisclosed injury. I think it's kind of known,

517
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Speaker 2: but I'm not gonna say it out loud. It's an

518
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Speaker 2: undisclosed injury. Don't know if he's gonna play. It doesn't

519
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Speaker 2: sound promising, It doesn't sound like this.

520
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Speaker 1: Is one of those trickery but will warm him up

521
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Speaker 1: and will eventually play him. Now maybe he does start.

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Speaker 1: I think they're.

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Speaker 2: Genuinely tow it um up in the air in Manhattan

524
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Speaker 2: right now as to whether he's gonna play. And then

525
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Speaker 2: on the other side, you got Spencer Sanders, quarterback there

526
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Speaker 2: at Oklahoma State, who was coming off dealing with a

527
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Speaker 2: shoulder issue. He's right handed, so this shoulder. But yet

528
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Speaker 2: he also had career highs in completions and attempts last week. Now,

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Speaker 2: there were some if he throws, but I would argue,

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Speaker 2: when you throw it over half a hundred times, there

531
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Speaker 2: will be some iff he throws, no matter how good

532
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Speaker 2: your shoulder feels. So hopefully he's got that. I s

533
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Speaker 2: up he's good to go this week. If Adrian Martinez

534
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Speaker 2: his status is in doubt, and if he's out, clearly

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Speaker 2: it has to be a big career day for Deuced

536
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Speaker 2: at running back for Kansas State. Now, he averages nineteen

537
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Speaker 2: carries per game. That's where he's at this year. I

538
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Speaker 2: would say, even if Martinez starts, but especially if he doesn't,

539
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Speaker 2: you need to be in the twenty three to twenty

540
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Speaker 2: six twenty seven carry range Forduce font and that would

541
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Speaker 2: be well above his norm. But this is an extenuating

542
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Speaker 2: or special circumstance, and I think that's where they.

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Speaker 1: Need to be.

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Speaker 2: He is second in the Big Twelve in almost every

545
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Speaker 2: major rushing statistical category, right behind Jean Robinson at Texas.

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Speaker 1: So I think he's capable.

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Speaker 2: Will Howard, who is the backup quarterback at Kansas State

548
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Speaker 2: who you may see you saw him last week. He's

549
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Speaker 2: good enough to win this game if you get that

550
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Speaker 2: supporting running game. If not, it's a runaway for Oklahoma State.

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Speaker 2: Big picture, though, you know, when I think about Oklahoma

552
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Speaker 2: State this year, if you just big picture it and

553
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Speaker 2: you go back to last year, it's not always the

554
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Speaker 2: way it works, but I think it's starting to unfold

555
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Speaker 2: this way. They came one yard away from winning the

556
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Speaker 2: Big Twelve championship against Balor. I think it's a team

557
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Speaker 2: on a mission all year. They don't have any room

558
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 2: for error because they've already got the loss. So for

559
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Speaker 2: all we know, if they lose another conference game, maybe

560
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Speaker 2: they're out.

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Speaker 1: We don't know that. I'm just saying that's the way

562
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Speaker 1: clearly they have to play.

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Speaker 2: You've got all that going for you, and you've also

564
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Speaker 2: got quarterback questions on the other side. And let's take

565
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Speaker 2: a look at what the model thinks versus what Vegas thinks.

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Speaker 1: Here, go ahead and get that out of the way.

567
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Speaker 2: Kansas State is a one and a half point favorite

568
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Speaker 2: right now, which is mildly surprising to me given the

569
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Speaker 2: status or the questionable status of Martinez right now. One okay,

570
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Speaker 2: so it's come down to one. That's the line, Kansas

571
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Speaker 2: State minus one at Caesars. The model likes Kansas State

572
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 2: a little bit more. The model likes Kansas State minus

573
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Speaker 2: two and a half. Oklahoma State is fourteen and two

574
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Speaker 2: against the spread as a dog the last six years.

575
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Speaker 2: They are three and zero in that position this year,

576
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Speaker 2: and I'm not going to bet against them again. I'm

577
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Speaker 2: tired of doing it, and so I can make you

578
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Speaker 2: a case for Kansas State here, but I'm going to

579
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: make a little bit better case for Oklahoma State. I'm

580
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: not going against Mike Gundy again. I am tired of

581
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: waking up every Sunday morning, well not every Sunday morning.

582
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 2: I'm tired of waking up on Sunday mornings occasionally saying

583
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: I went against him again and he made me look

584
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 2: like an idiot again. I'm not doing it this time.

585
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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna take Oklahoma State to go on the road.

586
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Speaker 2: I'm going to take Oklahoma State to win. Certainly, I'll

587
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Speaker 2: take the one and a half or one point if

588
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 2: you want to give it to me. The odds to

589
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 2: win the big twelve right now are just fascinating. HECU

590
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 2: is out front, but even they are plus money plus

591
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Speaker 2: one fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Then it's Texas, and then.

593
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Speaker 2: The pair of one loss teams Oklahoma State Kansas State.

594
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Speaker 2: They're at plus three hundred and plus eight hundred, respectively.

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Speaker 2: So yes, obviously this one has big time conference championship ramifications.

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Speaker 1: Looking forward, very forward.

597
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Speaker 2: We've got good weather, good weather this weekend, I'm told

598
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Speaker 2: in Kansas, So I'm looking forward to getting out there

599
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Speaker 2: and seeing a lot of folks that we've only spoken

600
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Speaker 2: to before, we've never been able to see in Colin,

601
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: I think it's a good time, even though I know

602
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Speaker 2: I didn't put it in the rundown.

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Speaker 1: How about a cough? Yeah, three seconds from now? Three two.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we need to clip that as an

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Speaker 2: individual segment. We'll we'll just roll right along. No thumbnail

606
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: for the cough, although I'm sure you can make a

607
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: good one. Let's let's you and I together here talk

608
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 2: about a big, big issue, or multiple issues, if you

609
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 2: want to put it that way, Colin, here's your endpoint.

610
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 2: Times are not good. Times are not good at all

611
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Speaker 2: in College Station, Texas right now, and there are a

612
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Speaker 2: lot of bad things happening. If you're a casual fan,

613
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: you just watch the games on Saturday, you know they're

614
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 2: three and four. So certainly at the crux of all

615
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 2: of this is they're not winning enough games. But as

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Speaker 2: is usually the case, if you're getting bad fruit, there's

617
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Speaker 2: a reason, and right now it feels like a ton

618
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: of things are all going wrong simultaneously. Now, before we

619
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Speaker 2: delve into the negative, I do want to give immense.

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Speaker 1: Credit to the students at Texas A and M.

621
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Speaker 2: For those of you who were not locked onto your

622
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: Doppler radars last night, at around ten or eleven Central time,

623
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Speaker 2: there was what is called a quasi linear convective system

624
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 2: or a QLCS that came right through central and eastern Texas.

625
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: If flights had to get.

626
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: Rerouted in Houston, in Dallas, and in the midst of

627
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Speaker 2: all that is College Station Texas. And even though they're

628
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 2: three and four, the students at Texas A and M,

629
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Speaker 2: and the crowd, I mean, the fan base in general,

630
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: they haven't given up, like they're still selling that place out.

631
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: They got a home game for the first time in

632
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: over a month this weekend. Maybe you heard about that

633
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: against Gold Miss So they were camped out to get tickets,

634
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: and then the storm came through and we're showing you

635
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: footage right now. If you're listening on podcasts, just essentially

636
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: picture a hurricane but on land, and picture a bunch

637
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: of tents. Probably in fact, I would almost assure you

638
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: those tents came from Academy Sports and outdoors, given the

639
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: fact that they withstood sixty or seventy mile an hour,

640
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: wins sideways rain yet lightning, which is my biggest fear, but.

641
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: That's pate state material.

642
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: Independent of what your team's doing on the field, the

643
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: fact that you guys support.

644
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: Them like that means number one, you are clearly.

645
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: The caliber of person that we want in our midst

646
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: and number two, man, you deserve so much better on Saturdays.

647
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: I know they're a different team at home than they

648
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: have been on the road, but I want so much

649
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: better for you guys. Okay, So here's how things stand,

650
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: and there's a lot that's happened over the past twenty

651
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: four hours that probably a lot of you are unaware of.

652
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Speaker 1: So this is where it goes downhill pretty quickly. A

653
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Speaker 1: and M's three and four. The last home game they

654
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Speaker 1: have was against Miami. That feels like forever ago. Do

655
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Speaker 1: you remember what would it have been last February?

656
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Speaker 2: I guess we did a segment on this show last

657
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: February after Texas A and M had brought in that

658
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: top rank recruiting class of all time, and I just

659
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: reminded you in the midst of all the celebration there

660
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: are consequences to success, and in recruiting, there are consequences

661
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: to recruiting success. You don't just go and bring a

662
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: bunch of highly rated kids in and then seamlessly plug

663
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: them into the little compartments on your team and they

664
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: go about their business like robots.

665
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: That's not the way it works.

666
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: It never has worked that way, and certainly in this

667
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: day and age, it's not gonna work that way. So

668
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: last night, Billy Lucci over at Techsags starts to make

669
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: official what there had been rumblings about, and that is

670
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 2: Jimbo Fisher suspending multiple members of that true freshman team.

671
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: I don't even think it's important enough to get into

672
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: names here. You can see them on your screen if

673
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: you want to. If you're listening on podcasts, just understand

674
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: a lot of highly rated players, not a lot, some

675
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: highly rated players from that twenty twenty two class got suspended.

676
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: If you're so interested in why the rumors are out there,

677
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: don't really feel like trafficking in those tonight either. They

678
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: did things they weren't supposed to and it's not the

679
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: first time this year.

680
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: So you got that going on.

681
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: You got three of their starting offensive linemen done for

682
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: the year. You got a couple of big time defensive

683
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: starters up front defensively that haven't been playing because of that.

684
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: Connor Wegman is the only healthy quarterback they have available

685
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: right now, or at least that's the way it sounds. So,

686
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: like Billy said last night, and like was literally happening

687
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: outside your window if you live there, when it rains.

688
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: It pours.

689
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: That's what it feels like. And that's what's happening around

690
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: Texas A and M right now. Not good energy, some

691
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: toxic energy outside the program. And for all we know,

692
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: maybe inside the program now. Things sometimes aren't always as

693
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: they appear. But then again, sometimes things are even worse

694
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: than they appear. So I don't know exactly what situation

695
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: we have now. It's not good, though, there is a

696
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: and I want to be very clear with what I'm

697
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: saying here so I'm not misunderstood.

698
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: I'll repeat it five times if I need to.

699
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: If I were running a program, I would want all

700
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: the elite talent I could get. I am certainly not

701
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: going to sit here and say, oh, they should have

702
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: backed off. They should have only taken six five star players.

703
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: Not nine or ten. No, I want as many of

704
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: them as I can get. But here's the thing. When

705
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: you're acquiring.

706
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: Talent in college football, your main goal should be acquiring

707
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: talent that fits what you want to do. You don't

708
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: just go out there like an episode of Supermarket Sweep

709
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: and run down the aisle and knock as much stuff

710
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: into your grocery cart independent of what it is as

711
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: you can with the time allotted to you on the clock. Again,

712
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: that's not the way recruiting should work. It kind of

713
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: felt to a degree that that's what A and M's

714
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: class consisted of this past cycle. Whether I'm right on

715
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: that or not is another matter. But they went out

716
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: and they literally got everyone they could. Again, I'm not

717
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: here to hate on that. That is their approach. There

718
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: are many different approaches out there to recruiting. Mike Gundy

719
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: hardly ever finishes inside the top thirty.

720
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: They win ten games a year.

721
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: Nick Saban always finishes inside the top three, and they

722
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: win a lot.

723
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: They play for championships every other year.

724
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: The problem A and M fans have is Jimbo Fisher

725
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: comfortably fits somewhere in between there, closer to Saban than

726
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: Gundhy in terms of results, but they don't finish anywhere

727
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: close to either one of them when it comes to

728
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: the end of the year. So it's like pick a lane,

729
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: but we need the results. Okay, that's really what ADM

730
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: fans are worried about at the end of the day.

731
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: But anyway, when I'm talking about acquiring talent and you're

732
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: talking about all these problems inside the locker room right now,

733
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: you got guys getting suspended, you got rumors of guys

734
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 2: just no show in practice, maybe heading into the transfer portal,

735
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: which I expect and is not a shock. There is

736
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 2: a great catch twenty two in the NIL and transfer

737
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: portal era when it comes to recruiting at the level

738
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: A and M just recruited at and the way they

739
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: do recruit now, and that is for better or for worse,

740
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: you've got a chunk of kids in any given class

741
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: who are not coming to your campus for the same

742
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: reasons that kids.

743
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: Did a generation ago.

744
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 2: I am not foolish enough to tell you that transactions

745
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: financially were never a part of this game until recently.

746
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm saying.

747
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: What I am saying is, if you were to take

748
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: the Texas A and M roster of nineteen eighty nine, just.

749
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: Pull a year out of thin air.

750
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: There were a lot of East Texas kids on that

751
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: roster who grew up knowing that granddad and dad, and

752
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: my brothers and my cousins, they all bleed maroon and

753
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: I'm going there, and I would crawl over broken glass

754
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: for that program, point blank. That is not the motivation

755
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 2: for a lot of these kids coming to your campus anymore.

756
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean you can't win with them. It just

757
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 2: means that when you open them up and you see

758
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 2: how they're wired, it's different.

759
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: And as long as you're cool with that, go for it.

760
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 2: But don't be surprised if you get some of those

761
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: kids on campus and they don't immediately get what they

762
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: wanted out.

763
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: Of this transaction. When you have some issues behind the scenes,

764
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 1: that's inevitable. So that's just it. That's the new world

765
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: you live in now.

766
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 2: You can either choose to traffic in it heavily, you

767
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: can choose to lightly traffic in it, or you can

768
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: choose to watch some other folks dive headlong into the

769
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: nil game. And you just kind of exist on the periphery.

770
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: And I know that you guys think that every major

771
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: program out there is doing this, they're not.

772
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: This is not an A and M statement at the moment.

773
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to get back to A and M in

774
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: a second.

775
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 2: But people are learning on the fly, and that does

776
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: include Jimbo Fisher. A lot of folks are learning on

777
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 2: the fly how to build a roster and manage a

778
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 2: roster in the NIL era. Do I just treat it

779
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: like supermarket sweep? Do I get my collective on board,

780
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: and do I just go knock as many products into

781
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: my grocery cart as I can do? I circle four

782
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: or five names per cycle and say those are the ones,

783
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: those are the ones that we got to INIL as

784
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 2: hard as we can for or do I say nope,

785
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: We're going to do it the way we always have.

786
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 2: We'll let those other programs do that, and we'll let

787
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: them deal with the fallout and the ramifications that come

788
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: with that. People are still working their way through that

789
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: ideologically themselves and Texas A and M's no different. But

790
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: what happens and what will continue to happen, is you're

791
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: gonna have some kids on campuses that they otherwise would

792
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: not have been interested in because NIL drew them there.

793
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 2: That's the new world we live in now. Whether you

794
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: agree with what I'm about to say or not. Whether

795
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: you're happy with what I'm about to say or not

796
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: is irrelevant, because I'm not happy with what I'm about

797
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 2: to say. But if you don't play them immediately, they

798
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: will get pissed off. They don't love where they are,

799
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: They're not emotionally attached to where they are in some cases,

800
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: and they just assume hit the exit door. If they're

801
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: not immediately getting what they want. You're going to have

802
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: that mixed in. If you traffic in this stuff heavily,

803
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: it's inevitable you're gonna have that mixed into your signing classes.

804
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: And when I talk to do major programs, I think

805
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 2: a lot of folks are looking.

806
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: At college station right now and maybe altering their approach

807
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: because of it.

808
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: Now, I cannot prove to you that every bit of

809
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: drama they have out there is nil related.

810
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: I know that's the assumption. But there's always more than

811
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: meets the eye to a lot of this stuff.

812
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: So if we were to really dive in, we could

813
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 2: probably write a shortened novel on the inner workings of

814
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: the A and M program this year. I think it

815
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: would be foolish to say this has nothing to do

816
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 2: with it though. So that's where I am, and I

817
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: can tell you confidently from speaking to some people in

818
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 2: some other major programs there are some big time programs

819
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 2: that recruit at a high level that in some cases

820
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: have just decided to pass on guys that are, you know,

821
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: sort of out there for the highest bidder.

822
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: Nil related. I'm talking about legal stuff.

823
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: What it used to be illegal, but I'm talking about

824
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 2: legal legal recruiting approaches now.

825
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: But they're starting to understand, Man, if.

826
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: We do acquire that kid via those means, what are

827
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: we dealing with? You know, what do we have to

828
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: fulfill on our end? Can we really look at that

829
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: kid and say, hey, you're gonna have to come here

830
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: and earn it just like everyone else should be able to.

831
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: Can you though? I don't know that you can.

832
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: And for all the talk about Jimbo Fisher and whether

833
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: you know he's gonna bite the bullet and hire an

834
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator this winter, there's another question. I think they're

835
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: having to answer it internally right now. Do they continue

836
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: headlong using the same recruiting approach that they did this

837
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: last cycle, or is he looking around at the results

838
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 2: of this last cycle and saying this isn't for me,

839
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 2: or does he feel like they're not connected. I don't know,

840
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 2: because we don't have Jimbo Fisher on the record talking

841
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: about that right now. But I'll tell you what I

842
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: won't keep doing. Man, I gotta post it stuck here.

843
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: They are three and four right now, They've got a

844
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 2: bunch of tough games left. What I'm not going to

845
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 2: do is I'm not going to look at a glass

846
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 2: of spoiled milk, taste it and realize it's spoiled, but

847
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: then keep sipping it again every week, Like that's what

848
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: a lot of people do when things have gone off

849
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: the rails for a team.

850
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: Things are off the rails for A and M.

851
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: Right now, that's the end of the story as it

852
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: relates to the twenty twenty two season.

853
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: For me, they're off the rails. That's it. I know

854
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: it right now before Halloween.

855
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: I'm not going to if they lose three more games,

856
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: keep reassessing where things are and incrementally upping my disdain

857
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 2: for Jimbo Fisher or my unhappiness with how the program's running.

858
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: No, it just this is it.

859
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 2: I know what I need to know about this season,

860
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 2: and then we'll rack them and try it again next year.

861
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: In the meantime, obviously there are a lot of things

862
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: that have to.

863
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: Happen, but that's pointless to me, Like there'll be a

864
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: lot of people who are only like sixty percent not

865
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: sold on Jimbo, who will be ninety percent not sold

866
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: on him if he loses two more games. And my

867
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: question is, if it's off the rails, it's off the rails.

868
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen a derailment it doesn't hop back

869
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: up on the tracks again, It just sits over. They're

870
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: on the side of the road and someone cleans it up.

871
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 2: And you don't clean these derailments up mid season, especially

872
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: when your rosters beat to death and half to well

873
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: not half, a lot of your team is going one

874
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: way while another half is going another way. I will

875
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: tell you this though this part, I do feel a

876
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 2: little more confident speaking on You may have some problem

877
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: guys in that locker room at A and M, but

878
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: I can promise you you got some guys there for

879
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 2: the right reasons, the reasons that you grew up believing in.

880
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: For example, who are very very proud to put on

881
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: that jersey and put on that helmet, This Saturday is

882
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 2: kind of about them, because you got a game that

883
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: you could win. You got a game against Ole Miss.

884
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: They're coming in there. It's a second straight road game.

885
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 2: You finally get to play at home. And while you

886
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: may think it's a detracting factor that guys are being suspended,

887
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: what you may not be taking into account is there

888
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: could be some stalwarts on that team that despised what

889
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: those guys stood for and maybe a little bit motivated

890
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 2: by the fact that the head coach dropped the hammer,

891
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: and you may see it play out on the field Saturday,

892
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 2: and you may see an inspired performance because while talk

893
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 2: radio and message boards may be a little more toxic,

894
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: who knows, maybe the locker room galvanizes a little bit.

895
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: I actually think that's gonna happen. I tend to believe

896
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 2: Texas A and M's gonna win out right Saturday. Now,

897
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 2: I could be fantastically wrong about that, but I do happen.

898
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: To agree with that.

899
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: But even if they don't win, it doesn't negate what

900
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: I just said the other seven minutes or eight minutes

901
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: of the segment. Okay, let's let's dive back into one.

902
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: I got one more game prediction and then We're not

903
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: done yet. I've got to talk about another very very

904
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: untenable situation, shall we say, down in South Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee.

905
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: Colin is antsy for this one because he knows he's

906
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 2: got Georgia thirteen days away.

907
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: I have not done the math on that. That's not close.

908
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 1: He's got him two weeks away.

909
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: This is the one hundred and eighteenth meeting all time

910
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: between these two tennessee with the decisive edge. This is

911
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 2: a seven Eastern time kickoff on ESPN. This game was

912
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: forty five to forty two last year. Do you realize

913
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 2: that now some things have changed that Kentucky has minus.

914
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: One very very big playmaker that they had last year.

915
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: But Will Levis in this game last year was thirty

916
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: one of forty nine. Yes, that Will Levis thirty one

917
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 2: of forty nine, three hundred and seventy two yards. Chris

918
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: Rodriguez on this team that hadn't been able to run

919
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 2: the ball this year, although they had been getting better.

920
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: Twenty two carries for one hundred and nine yards. So hey,

921
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: if you were to give me those numbers Saturday night,

922
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: we would start mentioning the U word upset. This line's

923
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: only twelve and a half, it's not three or four touchdowns,

924
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 2: and it's in Kneeland. So why is it this line higher?

925
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: That's what I've been asked a lot this week. Why

926
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: is Tennessee quote unquote only favored by twelve and a half?

927
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: Well, number one, that's a high number.

928
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: First off, because the other team's coming off bye, by

929
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: the way, And secondly, they do have a trip to

930
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: Georgia coming up next week.

931
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: That's a factor.

932
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: This is a good old fashioned look ahead game. They

933
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: wouldn't admit that, but I will for them. This is

934
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 2: a look ahead spot. So you cannot afford to take

935
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 2: these spots lightly. Which style takes so long the game early?

936
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: Anytime you have contrasting styles, you always about midway or

937
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 2: the latter portion of the first quarter, start to realize

938
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: one side is having their way when it comes to

939
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: the overall flow of the game, and these are going

940
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: to be stark, starkly contrasting styles. Tennessee runs the fifth

941
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: most plays per minute in college football. Kentucky runs the

942
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 2: fewest per minute in all of FBS. So what do

943
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: we see? Do we see a pinball game breakout late

944
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: first quarter? In that case, you can go ahead and

945
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: start riding the obituary for Kentucky, but we could see

946
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: the alternative playout, in which case it's just a slug

947
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: fest and Tennessee kind of gets drawn into playing a

948
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: game they're not really interested in playing. I keep coming

949
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: back to Hndon Hooker at quarterback, as do many people

950
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 2: who have watched him this year, because even I, even

951
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 2: if my mind starts to go down the road of

952
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 2: thinking about the Kentucky upset, I just go back to

953
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: the fact that you got to beat that guy. I

954
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: know you got Will Levis over there. You got to

955
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 2: beat Hendon Hooker. And see the problem is they're not

956
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: one dimensional.

957
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 1: A lot of these.

958
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 2: Programs with a quarterback that puts up video game numbers,

959
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: they're one dimensional, and that's not Tennessee. Tennessee is averaging

960
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: four point six yards per carry this year. Now that

961
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: may not be a mind blowing statistic, but it is

962
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: when you can throw the ball like they are, because that's.

963
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: All you need.

964
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,959
Speaker 2: You don't need to be top five rushing, In fact,

965
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: you probably couldn't be. But if you're top twenty five

966
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 2: or top thirty and you can pair it with the

967
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: passing game, they have.

968
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: That's plenty good enough.

969
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: They are the only team, Tennessee Volunteer's only team in

970
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: America averaging at least three twenty through the air and

971
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: two hundred on the ground per game. If you didn't

972
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: run the numbers there, I ran them for you. They're

973
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: averaging over five hundred yards per game. And that is

974
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: a really really good number to be averaging. By the way,

975
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: somehow they're averaging a higher yards per carry number in SEC,

976
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: then they are an overall play.

977
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: I mentioned Kentucky's off a bye here. Why does that matter? Well,

978
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: obviously it matters.

979
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: Because they're arrested, but also theoretically you get a team's

980
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,479
Speaker 2: fastball coming out of the bye week. And I think

981
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: that if they can have their best rushing performance this year,

982
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 2: and it may not be that statistically, it is the

983
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: best because Tennessee has a pretty good rushing defense. If

984
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: they can do enough to make Tennessee respect it, just

985
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 2: respect my ability to run the ball. Will Levis could

986
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: have himself an okay afternoon. But I keep coming back

987
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 2: to what it takes to beat Tennessee, not just cover.

988
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: What does it take to beat them?

989
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 2: And I don't think Kentucky has that like, I don't

990
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: think they have the firepower.

991
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: Because let's be real.

992
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: Now, let's say it's twenty eight to twenty eight going

993
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: into the fourth quarter. Let's say it's thirty one all

994
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 2: midway through the first or through the fourth quarter. Does

995
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: anyone really think that Hennon Hooker and that offense will

996
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: not get the job done in crunch time, knowing what's

997
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: at stake, knowing.

998
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 1: The conversations they're in now, I just don't. I don't

999
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: believe that.

1000
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 2: And so let's take a look at what the model

1001
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: thought Kentucky at Tennessee. Tennessee favored by twelve and a half.

1002
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: Right now, we've only got Tennessee minus ten and a

1003
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 2: half in the model, and so I'm gonna do something

1004
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 2: here that's the least risky thing one could do. I

1005
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 2: actually think Kentucky may be the one who dictates that

1006
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,959
Speaker 2: rhythm a little bit early on. I think they're gonna

1007
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 2: hang around. I think they will have taken advantage of

1008
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: that bye week. I think you'll get their best performance

1009
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: of the year. I don't think it'll be enough to

1010
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 2: beat Tennessee, but I actually do think they may sneak

1011
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 2: around and cover here and sneak is the key word,

1012
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: because it could be it could be using vulture mode.

1013
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 2: They could be down seventeen the majority of the fourth

1014
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 2: Court and you sneak in that back door.

1015
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna take Tennessee to whin. I'm gonna take

1016
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: Kentucky to cover.

1017
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 2: Right now, Tennessee is still a plus five hundred to

1018
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: win the SEC. That's the third best odds behind Bamma

1019
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: and Georgia, respect and that of course will shift one

1020
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 2: way or another the following week unless an upset happens

1021
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: a week prior to Tennessee at Georgia, and that would

1022
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 2: be this Saturday. So we will take Tennessee to whin.

1023
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: We're gonna take Kentucky to cover. And think I'll have

1024
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: some heavy disagreement in the comment section. By the way,

1025
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 2: if you're watching it eased, you do me a quick favor.

1026
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: It'll take like five seconds. Just click the thumbs up.

1027
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: That's it. It would take like two seconds. Really click

1028
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: the thumbs up.

1029
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: Because we are at six hundred and forty seven likes

1030
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 2: right now, and we've got way more than six hundred

1031
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 2: and forty seven people watching this show. And if you

1032
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 2: haven't already, please subscribe to the channel. They're watching us

1033
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: in high More, South Dakota. They're watching us in Scranton, PA.

1034
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 2: Some good paper made in Scranton, and they're watching us

1035
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 2: in Virginia Beach, Virginia. Wherever you're watching wherever, however and whenever.

1036
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: Really, thank you so much.

1037
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: There are more problems, not just college station. So I'm

1038
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: gonna take a sip here. Need to get geared up

1039
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: for this one. Jake and Miami. And Jake, mind you

1040
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: has a Miami hurricane logo as his profile picture on Twitter. Okay,

1041
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 2: So if you're listening on podcast Theater of the Mind,

1042
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 2: I want you to picture what I thought I was

1043
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: going to get from Jake, and I'm going to read

1044
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: you what I actually got. Okay, Colin, here's your endpoint.

1045
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 2: A tweet from Jake from Miami.

1046
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: He said, what do you make of christ of Ball

1047
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: blaming the media from Miami's struggles? Can you believe that much?

1048
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: Mario Cristbal? How dare he blame the media? Jake was

1049
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: not the first person to ask me about this. When

1050
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: I was at the gym yesterday.

1051
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 2: I started to see the eye Josh blow up and

1052
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: that either means I'm being evicted or it means someone

1053
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 2: said something in the world of college football. Fortunately it

1054
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 2: was the latter, although rent is going up next year,

1055
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 2: and so a lot of people were say, and can

1056
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: you believe what Mario Christbaul said? Can you believe he's

1057
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: blaming the media? I mean, some people I respect were

1058
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: even asking me this. I have learned a lesson, and

1059
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 2: I learned it a while back.

1060
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: When people are asking you what you think about what

1061
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 1: someone said, go find what the person said and judge

1062
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: for yourself, which we're about to do right now.

1063
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 3: Roll at Colin, I think you guys try to affect

1064
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 3: him on anything, you know. I mean, we have from

1065
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 3: day one made it very very clear what we're here

1066
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 3: to do and what we're here to build. And our

1067
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 3: history has shown that, you know, we don't sell a dream,

1068
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 3: we don't sell.

1069
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: Any false hope.

1070
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 3: We sell the reality of a track record and what

1071
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 3: we've done and where we've been and how we've done it.

1072
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 3: And I think that both parents and players appreciate honesty

1073
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 3: and truth and good people, and they see a path

1074
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 3: for a great future for their sons as well. So again,

1075
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 3: the truth is always going to win out in the end.

1076
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 3: Being real is always going to win out. In the end,

1077
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 3: you are at a program, whether you just got there

1078
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 3: or been there, whatever, there's always a starting point. We're

1079
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 3: at our starting point, and we're going with what we

1080
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 3: started with and making it the very best that we can.

1081
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 3: It's a different starting point than other places that we've

1082
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 3: been at, and that's fine too. There is no flinch,

1083
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 3: there is no hesitation. It's just time to go to work.

1084
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to be real. I listened to that.

1085
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 2: I did not find an ounce of controversy in it.

1086
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 2: But here's what can happen sometimes.

1087
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 1: And I knew what to do.

1088
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: When people asked me yesterday, what did you think about

1089
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 2: Mario criticizing the media and blaming the South Florida media

1090
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 2: on Miami struggles, I knew the first thing I needed

1091
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 2: to do before I said a word was go find

1092
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 2: a sound bite and listen to the full sound bite.

1093
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 2: We just played you the full sound bite. There was

1094
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 2: nothing controversial about that, nothing whatsoever.

1095
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: What he was asked about was do you think that

1096
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: this is going to impact recruiting?

1097
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 2: You know, people building things up and falling short of expectation.

1098
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: And what he said real quick was accurate. He said,

1099
00:50:58,360 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: I think you guys build it up a lot.

1100
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 2: It's not that they don't have expectations internally, but you know,

1101
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: there's this I'll delve into this a little bit. There's

1102
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: this element that exists in South Florida.

1103
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: I've noticed it for a long time.

1104
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: But over on inside THEU dot Com, over on the

1105
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: board there, those guys do a great job covering the program.

1106
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: I saw Miami fan point this out, and I haven't

1107
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 2: seen fans point it out, but since they did, I'll kind.

1108
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: Of reiterate a paraphrasing. They said, I'm a Miami fan.

1109
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: I live elsewhere, and it wasn't until I got out

1110
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 2: of South Florida.

1111
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: This is the fan talking, he said.

1112
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 2: It wasn't until I got out of South Florida that

1113
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 2: I realized people the media, some of the sports media

1114
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 2: in South Florida, they don't protect Miami. They don't look

1115
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 2: out for the best interest of Miami like some other

1116
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 2: folks in other college towns do. Now, that is not

1117
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 2: the job of a journalist, and I am not suggesting

1118
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 2: it is, but it is a fact that in a

1119
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 2: lot of other major college markets, while the local media

1120
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: does not actively wake up every morning looking to protect

1121
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: the program, there are there just certain roads down which

1122
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: they will not go because they know it is in

1123
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 2: mutually best interest of theirs and also the program. There's

1124
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,439
Speaker 2: some folks in South Florida that don't really care about

1125
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 2: the program, And I think Mario christbauld knows that he's

1126
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: been down there long enough. Those fans know it. I

1127
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 2: don't need to really mention names. You guys know him

1128
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 2: better than I do. But there are some folks who

1129
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: kind of sort of take delight in the program's struggles

1130
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 2: and showcasing those struggles to the rest of the country

1131
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: and showcasing a quarter full stadium to the rest of

1132
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 2: the country. I'm not making excuses for them. I think

1133
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 2: it sucks when they can't get more people to show up.

1134
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: I think their play on the field has been abysmal

1135
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: this year. But what I am saying is I don't

1136
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 2: have a problem what christ Baul said yesterday. I just

1137
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: asked this. I got a lot of folks right now

1138
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 2: asking what I think now that the rebuild has failed

1139
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 2: at Miami.

1140
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: How do you know the rebuilds failed? How do you

1141
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: even know what phase of the rebuild they're in now?

1142
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: It's true because I got a lot of you on

1143
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: record telling me that most of Miami fans agreed the

1144
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: program needs to be rebuilt before they brought him in.

1145
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: Then they bring Mario christobaull in. Well, sort of the collateral.

1146
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 2: Damage sometimes of a rebuild is you get really bad results.

1147
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: Now I'm telling you, and I'm not saying anything he

1148
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 2: wouldn't agree with if Mario was sitting right here. These

1149
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: results haven't been anywhere near good enough. They've been embarrassing.

1150
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 2: It's been terrible. Some of the worst football I've ever

1151
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 2: seen Miami play has been this year. But here's the

1152
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: thing he just said. If you listen to that sound bite,

1153
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna play it again, but I will reiterate.

1154
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: He said, you start a rebuild, they don't all start

1155
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 2: at the same juncture. If you walk up to a house,

1156
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: sometimes you just may need to reduce some sheet rock

1157
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 2: and maybe reshingle the roof, and it's good to go.

1158
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: Well, it's a quick rebuild, wasn't it.

1159
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 2: If I walk up and I know that, ooh boy,

1160
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 2: we got termite damage, we got water damage, but we

1161
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 2: don't need to flatten it down.

1162
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: To the slab and start from scratch. It can still

1163
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: be worked with.

1164
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: But if you walk up to one like Jenny Dust

1165
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: to our old house and Forest Gump, and all it

1166
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: takes is a few stone throws and not the thing

1167
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 2: down Well. Fifteen minutes later, the rebuild's gonna look worse

1168
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 2: than even once you walked up on, because you gotta

1169
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: tear that thing down before you start building it again.

1170
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 2: Sometimes I guess I just owt enough rocks, and sometimes

1171
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 2: you don't have enough football games in a season to

1172
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 2: get it done in year one. Now, it could be

1173
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 2: that what they've put together down there is just not

1174
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 2: good enough.

1175
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: That's always in the card. Sure, I don't think that's

1176
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: the case.

1177
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't think Mario Cristabaul is incapable of building

1178
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: a program.

1179
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: I don't think he forgot how to win. What I

1180
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: do think is there.

1181
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 2: Will be a healthy amount of shuffling come season's end

1182
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 2: on his roster, maybe on his coaching staff. Go get

1183
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: it right. I don't doubt he'll get it right. I

1184
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: don't doubt that we'll be sitting here this time next

1185
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 2: year and they will look night and day different for

1186
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 2: the better, and they'll be playing some true freshmen in

1187
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 2: the process.

1188
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: I don't doubt all that. I just I know it's

1189
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: terrible to watch. I talked about it Sunday night at

1190
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: that I understand some rebuilds are unpleasant, and no, they

1191
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: shouldn't be as bad as they are this year. There

1192
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: is no amount of rebuilding Miami that should involve you

1193
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: turning the ball over eight times. There is no amount

1194
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: of rebuilding at Miami in which Middle Tennessee should come

1195
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: in and run all over you. No, no, it's not

1196
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: good enough. He wouldn't suggest otherwise. But as much as

1197
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: I'll say that, I also think on the other side

1198
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: of the coin, while it's fair to criticize, and I've

1199
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: done a healthy amount of criticism, they've criticized themselves internally,

1200
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,479
Speaker 1: I can guarantee you on the other side of that coin,

1201
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: there are some folks out.

1202
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 2: There who really take delight in others failures. And some

1203
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 2: of them exist in sports media. Some of them exist

1204
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 2: in a fan base. Rival fans don't count. Florida State

1205
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 2: fans should love what's happening in there right now. Florida

1206
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 2: fans should love what's happening there right now. But there

1207
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 2: are some agnostic fans out there who really have no

1208
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 2: tie one way or the other to Miami that.

1209
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: They just love to see someone struggle. They love to

1210
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: see a car wreck, and that's kind of where a

1211
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: lot of this energy comes from. Right now. It's really weird.

1212
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: I watch it.

1213
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 2: I don't traffic in it, and you would think I

1214
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 2: would be the one to do it, because that would

1215
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 2: be what generates the most clicks, right not necessarily, and.

1216
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: Even if it did, that's not the way we're going

1217
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: to run this show.

1218
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 2: So where I stand on Miami and Mario Christovaul is,

1219
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 2: I think this year has been terrible. I think this

1220
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 2: team is terrible. I think the team is a lost cause.

1221
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 2: I don't think the program is a.

1222
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: Lost cause at all.

1223
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: In fact, I think that they will rebound quite nicely,

1224
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 2: and I think that in year three four, you'll look

1225
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: back on this year one. I think you'll look back

1226
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 2: on it and laugh to keep yourself from crying. But

1227
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 2: I also think you'll say, maybe, just maybe some of

1228
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 2: that paid dividends down the road.

1229
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: Now. I know it's really hard to understand how getting

1230
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: trucked by Duke and Middle Tennessee State could ever pay

1231
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: a dividend. They can. I'm not going to do the

1232
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: tired lazy law Monroe versus Alabama twenties two thousand and

1233
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: seven reference.

1234
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that quite frankly, that's been beat to

1235
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 2: death and it gets you used a little bit too much.

1236
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 2: I think they'll be okay, But in the meantime, I

1237
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 2: would just encourage you guys amongst yourselves, take a look

1238
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 2: at who seems to be delighting in this, because there

1239
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 2: are some folks in South Florida that seem to be

1240
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: delighting a little bit in the struggle of Miami football.

1241
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 2: That's okay, that's their prerogative. There will come a day

1242
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: when things improve. You hear that knock on the door,

1243
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 2: I'd put my earplugs in and keep right on about

1244
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 2: my business.

1245
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: That's how i'd handle them.

1246
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: That's how I'd handle myself, all right, Romannudal Express time,

1247
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 2: let's take a look at what one.

1248
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: Two, three more added best bets? We put A and

1249
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:36,439
Speaker 1: M plus three.

1250
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 2: Yes, after everything I just said about Texas A and M,

1251
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 2: we're betting money on.

1252
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: Them this week.

1253
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 2: Apparently some other people are too, because the line dropped

1254
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: Texas A and M plus three. They're at home against

1255
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 2: Ole Miss. UAB is being added to the Rama Noodle

1256
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: Express UAB minus five.

1257
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: We are adding Iowa State. Yes, I am plus one

1258
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: to the Rama Noodle Express. They're at home versus Oklahoma.

1259
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: A rested Oklahoma model still loves Iowa State cal plus

1260
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: seventeen and a half. It pains me. I think Oregon's

1261
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: gonna win the game, but man, Oregon is flying really

1262
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: high right now.

1263
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 2: They are so due to play an ugly road game.

1264
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 2: Quite frankly, it would probably be good for them and

1265
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 2: pull them back down to earth a little bit. So

1266
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: I think that they are going to beat Cal Saturday,

1267
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 2: but the model has him winning by like thirteen and

1268
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 2: a half, which is impossible, as we all know. But

1269
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,439
Speaker 2: you get how math works. I hope you do, because

1270
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 2: I don't really get it. Cal plus seventeen and a

1271
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 2: half though, So Cal plus seventeen and a half, I

1272
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 2: will State plus one, UAB minus five, Texas A and

1273
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 2: M minus three. We got over one thousand likes during

1274
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 2: the live show, and I'm just gonna tell you, guys,

1275
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 2: because he won't. Jesse doubted you. He didn't think he

1276
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 2: could get us there, and I did. So hats off

1277
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 2: to you and I and Jesse. You go another week

1278
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 2: without people seeing your face. I appreciate you, guys, So much.

1279
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 2: We're gonna have a really fun show Thursday too, because

1280
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 2: for all of your cries about.

1281
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: Where the Late Kick Extra podcast has gone, We're kind

1282
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: of gonna do it Thursday. Huge mailback.

1283
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 2: I'll put the tweet out probably tomorrow or at the

1284
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: latest Thursday, and you will drive the show Thursday, and

1285
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 2: it will be really fun.

1286
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see where you'd take us, because

1287
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: you're in control, not me.

1288
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 2: For director column for producer Jesse, I'm Josh Baate. Thanks

1289
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 2: so much, take care, I have a great rest of

1290
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 2: your evening, and God bless