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Speaker 1: Y s K Selects, I've chosen our episode on caving.

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Speaker 1: We had already done an episode on bio speleology, which

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Speaker 1: is about animals that live in caves. We kind of

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Speaker 1: touch on that too, But this is all of the

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Speaker 1: ins and outs. If you'll excuse the unintentional pun about caving,

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Speaker 1: um and you are going to love it. It's just

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Speaker 1: a great, thorough classic example of stuff you should know.

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Speaker 1: So check it out. Starting now, Welcome to Stuff you

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Speaker 1: Should Know, a production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. Um. I'm

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Speaker 1: an m C of sorts, not the cool kind, the

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Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant. He's the same kind of m C that

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Speaker 1: I am. Sum no, no, not even we're not even

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Speaker 1: suck mcs were two square for that even it's so sad.

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Speaker 1: Maybe sucker mcs, but certainly not with an Ayah, I'm

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Speaker 1: a sucker, right, MC, yeah, too square to be a sucker.

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Speaker 1: That is a T shirt. Well I'll bet it is

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Speaker 1: now number two the square shape, uh number two the

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Speaker 1: second power to square to be a sucker. Yeah, that's it. Yep,

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Speaker 1: you've pretty we've reached the point where you say stuff

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Speaker 1: and people make t shirts of it. One of these though,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna hit it rich and we can quit this

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Speaker 1: whole podcast in game, retire on our never fortune, never

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Speaker 1: will be rich old man podcasting still if only uh, hey, Chuck, Hey,

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Speaker 1: are you doing well? Yeah? You know, I think, um,

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Speaker 1: I remember that you actually have done this before, what

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Speaker 1: we're about to talk about. I have, um and uh,

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Speaker 1: you had a good time, didn't too. Yeah. I'll be

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Speaker 1: offering my personal insights along the way. But I was

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Speaker 1: hoping so that's what I was getting at. Um. Hey,

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Speaker 1: so I this article in Slate. It's called America's Ancient

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Speaker 1: Cave Art. And back in the late seventies, there were

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Speaker 1: snake with horns, and that's a bird that like is

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Speaker 1: them luckily realized that these are all images associated with

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Speaker 1: what's called the Southeastern Ceremonial Complex, or more coolly named

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Speaker 1: the Southern Death Cult, which sprung up around the southeastern

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Speaker 1: But um, the weird thing about this is that they

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Speaker 1: all in this enormous elaborate cave system in the southeastern

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Speaker 1: United States, specifically the Cumberland Plateau in Tennessee. UM. But

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Speaker 1: some of the Mississippian people were running around walking a

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Speaker 1: of this religious outbreak, the Southern Death Cult is just gone.

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Speaker 1: And that cool. That's awesome. So I bring that up

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Speaker 1: walk into a cave, you're caving, right, Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 1: Uh one, Southern Death Cult the original name of the

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Speaker 1: an archaeological term. Yeah, so it's got just you know,

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Speaker 1: academic meaning as well. All right, Well, aside from the

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Speaker 1: poor name change, I like the band. Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: Should we go ahead and get this out of the way.

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Speaker 1: an atari game names blanker. I think so, But cavers

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Speaker 1: don't really use that term a lot. They use it derogatorially. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so glad Emily and you, Me and Josh didn't come.

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Speaker 1: Just you guys wouldn't like that. Yeah, there's a good

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Speaker 1: right and um. For the most part, when we think

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Speaker 1: panned out awesomely. The Devil Have you seen that? Dude?

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Speaker 1: That was another one recommended. But dude, it is it's

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Speaker 1: just like the Spanish Civil War era orphan No, no no, no,

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Speaker 1: That's okay. Compared to the orphanage, it might as well

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Speaker 1: have been like Peewee's Playhouse. Hey, I like Peewee. No,

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Speaker 1: that idea actually extends to um urban spelunking or urban exploration. Yeah.

420
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: Um yeah, where you um you enter something like a

421
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,360
Speaker 1: sewer system or an abandoned building or something like that.

422
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: But you're one of the big rules is like you

423
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: can't break an enter. You can enter somebody else has

424
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: already like cut a hole in the chain link fence.

425
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: You can go through that hole. You can't cut that

426
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: hole yourself, and you don't take anything. You you preserve

427
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: the places exactly the way it was. And we actually

428
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 1: have I think, what's a new article on the site

429
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: that's awesome ten top ten cities for urban Exploration. It's

430
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 1: like got all these attractions of like where to go

431
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: in this city and like to explore. It's very cool. Well,

432
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 1: Francis the catacombs, I know, we're really popular. Yeah. Um,

433
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: and I did a little bit of that in Florida

434
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: in um Fort Pickens in Pensacola, Oh, the Fort Pickens Catacombs. Well,

435
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: the Fort Pickens battery. It was like you know Civil

436
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 1: War battery. Yeah, yeah, and um, I think it's all

437
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: blocked off now, but at the time, like the metal

438
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: bars were bent enough where you could get through, and

439
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: me and my brother and my brother in law like

440
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 1: mad torches and like went all through the stuff, you know,

441
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 1: stuff written on the walls like from the Civil War

442
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: and then stuff written on the walls clearly more modern,

443
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 1: uh in nature, right, but just graffiti and stuff and

444
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: beer cans. But it was just neat walking around. That's cool. Um,

445
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: what else, Chuck? How do you get started? Yeah? I

446
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: guess if this podcast tickles your fancy, then you may

447
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 1: want to know how to get into this. Yeah. A

448
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 1: lot of people might be into the very easy, guided,

449
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: you walk in and you walk around type of experience. Right,

450
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: take the kids. There's nothing wrong with it. You can

451
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: still learn a lot, you know. It's not a cop

452
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 1: out like Carl's bad caverns and like the real touristy ones.

453
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: They're great. Yeah. Have you ever been there? I haven't

454
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: been there. I've been to Ruby Falls, you mean, and

455
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: I went Ruby Falls is nice? It was, yeah, and

456
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: there was plenty of people running around. Was very well

457
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: lit yeah, um safe yeah. And then but it was

458
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: so awesome getting to the falls. Yeah yeah, I mean,

459
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: like it was great. It was total. I think part

460
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: of the reason I appreciated it so much because I

461
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: took it for what it was. It was like this,

462
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: this is tourism, you know. Yeah, but it's also very cool. Yeah.

463
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: I mean you're walking underneath a fault line in the earth. Yeah,

464
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: it's really kind of you can sell t shirts afterwards,

465
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: but it's still very cool to be in there. Um,

466
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: So you can do that. You can go to these

467
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: like really big touristy ones and still get a nice experience,

468
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: or you can get a guided tour for you know

469
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: a little more um intense experience. Have you been in

470
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: Carl's Bag caberin Yeah, okay, Yeah, it's nice, it's lovely.

471
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: It's like red carpet everywhere. Yes, couches everything. Um. But

472
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: they do mention in this article that kids are great

473
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: to take into caves. They love that kind of stuff.

474
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: Obviously you want to keep an eye on them because

475
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 1: it's pretty easy to get lost in there. Yeah. But

476
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: at these at these big major attractions, they they take

477
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,239
Speaker 1: care of you, you know, right, They're not gonna let

478
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: your kid go off and live with the salamanders. Yeah,

479
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 1: and you've got a guide for the guided tour, but

480
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: even the self guided tours are it's usually like paved

481
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: or clearly marked trail, like you're you're gonna have a

482
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: lot of trouble getting lost if you get off of

483
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: this trail, um or if you stay on the trail,

484
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: I should say. Yeah, I went to a concert in

485
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 1: a cave one time. Yeah, and Tennessee. They man, what's

486
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: the name of It's something caverns and I can't remember now,

487
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: but it was The Silver Juice played their last show

488
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: ever in this cave and they have regular shows. They're

489
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: like usually it's like bluegrass and stuff, but it's awesome.

490
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: Like you you know, you park in this big field

491
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: and then it's one of these where you walk into

492
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: a huge opening and there's big paths, but you know,

493
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: you walk like probably half a mile down in there,

494
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: and then it opens up to this huge open room

495
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: and there's a stage and there's lights and everything. That's cool,

496
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: really cool experience. I wonder what the green rooms like there.

497
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's probably brown. Right, just sit on

498
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 1: that rock. I won't bring you some shrimp. Yeah, it

499
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,479
Speaker 1: was really very cool show. Though I might post pictures

500
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: of that too. Well, it's gonna be a picture of bananda. Um.

501
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,239
Speaker 1: Then there's cave diving. Yes, probably the most dangerous thing

502
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: my person can do. Yeah, we can't overstate that enough.

503
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: Like even these caver dudes that I was with that

504
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: are hardcore, they were like those people are crazy. Yeah,

505
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: And if you're a hardcore scuba diver, even a wreck diver,

506
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you're a cave diver. Cave diver is

507
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: its own thing. Yeah, and like it's it's very easy

508
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: to die. In two thou twelve. Seven people already died

509
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: in a cave diving in two thousand twelve. Now, wow,

510
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: three of them in three different days, three consecutive days

511
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: in Florida, in three different incidents. Yeah, in March. Yeah,

512
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: it's scary. And asked Eric. I was like, well, why

513
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: you know, what's the big deal, And he was like, dude,

514
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: you're just you've got to be crazy to do it.

515
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: And he's like, you are underground, underwater, and it's very

516
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: easy to get lost and turned around, and you've only

517
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: got so much air. They say that to never like

518
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: to try and exit with half a tank of air

519
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: still or whatever. It was not air, what is it?

520
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: It's compressed compressed, there's like an air mix, but it's

521
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: generally air. Yeah, but they're like, you don't want to

522
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,719
Speaker 1: go below half a tank ever, that's just scary. And um.

523
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: He took me after we went caving, he took me

524
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: to the entry point for the cave diving nearby, and

525
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: it's this little probably you know, ten ft by ten

526
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: foot whole, you know, a little pool, but it's like

527
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: infinitely deep and it's like wow. So you can jump

528
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: in and just sort of waddle around, or there's below

529
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: that there's the tube where you enter, and it just

530
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: seemed like the scariest thing ever, right with a tank

531
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: of air on your back that could be punctured by anything,

532
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: because it's not like there's not stalactites hanging down. Utterly

533
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: frightening to me. Um that said, if you're in a

534
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: cave diving, you go through the certification and you like

535
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: are into that kind of thing. There's some awesome cave

536
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: diving like senote Is any sinote Um. And there's a

537
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: place in that I missed when we were talking about

538
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: the Abandoned Minds podcast. There's a place called Bond Terror Mine, Missouri,

539
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: and it's an old lead mine that was in production

540
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: for like a hundred years and then they closed it

541
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: down in nineteen sixty and they didn't remove anything. There's

542
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: like magazines, all this stuff still sitting around, and they

543
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: flooded it with like a billion gallons of crystal clear

544
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: water really and you can go scuba dive, you can

545
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: cave dive this abandoned mine now and see there's like

546
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: an old movie theater down there. There's mind cars. Yeah,

547
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. That's awesome. Yeah, but it's like the

548
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,479
Speaker 1: visibility is just limitless. I wonder if that's slightly safer.

549
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty heavily guided as well as tours go.

550
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna start somewhere, that would probably be

551
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: a good place. Okay, Yeah, I saw a couple of

552
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: dudes come out of the hole. Um, and all the

553
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: cavers know each other, it seems like because they knew

554
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: these guys and they were like, oh yeah, it's good.

555
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: You know, these guys are real nice, and then they

556
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: turned around they're like they're nuts. These guys are crazy. Um. Oh,

557
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: so all the cavers know each other because they're all

558
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: members of grottos, right. Yeah. It definitely seems like a

559
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: close knit community, like they're all on each other that

560
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: have each other's contact info because you know, when someone

561
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: gets lost, they send out you know, like who can

562
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: come and help? Basically, who's free tomorrow to come and

563
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: find these idiots tomorrow they're in trouble. If it's tomorrow.

564
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: But well, a grotto is a caving club, right, and

565
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: there are any legitimate caving club is sanctioned by the

566
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: National Speleological Society, and there's about two d caving clubs

567
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: or grottos in the US. Nice m hm. So if

568
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: if you're a member of a grotto, if you're a caver,

569
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: what are some of the things that you're gonna need.

570
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: You're already into this, You're like, come on, let's go.

571
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do? What? What do I need

572
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: to take with me? Well, you want to take three

573
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: forms of light um, and plenty of backup batteries and

574
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: take closed sticks, take the head lamps, take lighters, even

575
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: though those will get wet. Um. You know, you can

576
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: bag him in the dry bag, but take as many

577
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 1: forms of light as you feel comfortable with. That's not

578
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: less than three, and not only I took like four

579
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: or five flights. That's smart. Yeah, I just and I

580
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: knew I was going to be fine, but I was

581
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: just like, you know what, I'm going into the depths

582
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: of the earth. I want to have lots of light

583
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: at my disposal, right, And you want to also have

584
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: lots of batteries and extra bulbs for those lights, just

585
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: because the light, your light is the number one most

586
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: important thing when you're caving. That's the number one most

587
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: important piece of equipment. Yeah, and my buddy Eric had

588
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: a carbide lamp, which, um, you know, back in the

589
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: day with like even car headlights and lights on the

590
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: fronts of houses. Um, it wasn't always a gas lamp.

591
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes it was carbide and old school cavers used these things.

592
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: And it's basically a chemical reaction. Um. It burns a

593
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: seedylene gas and it's created from a reaction of calcium

594
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: carbide with water. So he had this, uh, this pod

595
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: that he carried on his belt that had carbide pellets

596
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: in it and it would drip water down and create

597
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: the gas and it fed it up through a tube

598
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: connected to the you know, the the gas lamp that

599
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: he's wearing on his head. And it was really cool.

600
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: The other guy didn't have one, but Eric was used it,

601
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: and um, the light that it gives is just really

602
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,719
Speaker 1: very illuminating. It's not like a you know how incandescent

603
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: light is just so specific, even if it's like a

604
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: broad range, it's not like having a flame. So this

605
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: thing really warm, like warms up the cave and it

606
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 1: does actually warm it, um slightly, but just generally with

607
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: light warmth. It's just like the cave was illuminated, not

608
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: like a flashlight shining on something very cool and um,

609
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: very durable. Like if you take care of these things,

610
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: they're a little finicky, but if you take care of him,

611
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: you can have them like your whole life. Sounds kind

612
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: of new fangled. Uh no, it's very old school, well

613
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: old fangled. Yeah, it's old angled. And you just look cool.

614
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: Eric looked like a cool guy with his tube running

615
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: out of his head and flicking the little lighter switch.

616
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: And do you look cooler than I did with my yeah,

617
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: my glow stick. Um, so you need light, you need light,

618
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: You need a helmet, and you want your helmet to

619
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: be certified by the Union International Day Associations. Del peace me. Yes,

620
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: Jerry just laughed at you want a helmet, you want

621
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: like and this is if you if you want to

622
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: do it right like and safely. We we saw morons

623
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: and tank tops and shorts walking around and crawling around

624
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: and you know these guys are just rolling their eyes,

625
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: are like those are the people that get hurt and

626
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: get lost. Um, we had kneepads and elbow pads, helmets. Um.

627
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: As far as safety gear, that was pretty much it,

628
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: and that they had like rope and stuff just in case. Um,

629
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 1: and you want to dress appropriately avoid cotton, Well, if

630
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: you are wearing cotton, you want to wear under layers

631
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: of synthetics. Yes, snags less easily, they dry more quickly. Yeah. Yeah,

632
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: I would imagine you just want to avoid cotton altogether

633
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: as possible. Yeah. I were one of those like, uh,

634
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: synthetic wicking shirts, you know, the workout shirts. Yeah. Um,

635
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: but you do you want to dress in layers because

636
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: it's cold in there. Yeah, but you know you you

637
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: may raise your heart right here there and you may

638
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: get a little warm. That definitely makes my heart right. Um,

639
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna get wet most likely. Um. You can be

640
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: in a dry, dusty cave, but chances are you going

641
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: to get wet. Uh. There were times where we were

642
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: up to our chest in a crevice about two ft wide,

643
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: up to our chest and water and it's intimidating. It's

644
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: like I am far away from anybody, and like what

645
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: if this water rises? I mean it didn't, but you

646
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: know what if it started raining. These things can happen

647
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: pretty fast down there, and uh so. I mean we

648
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: were literally soaked through the bone. It's like getting a

649
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: swimming pool and then you get out and you're covered

650
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: mud and you're supposed to climb things. That's like climbing

651
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: a creased wall of stone. I'm like, am I supposed

652
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: to really do this? And they were like pushing me

653
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: by by butt. It was sort of embarrassing, like pulling me.

654
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: It felt like a stuck pig at times. The only

655
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: thing that made it better was the warm glow of

656
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: the carbine lamp. And then they had the pancakes, you

657
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: know where it's like, you know, as I'm surprised my

658
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: body fit in this thing and you had to go

659
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: like thirty ft across this pancake. What is it? Well,

660
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: it's a it's where there's a top rock and a

661
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: bottom rock. So basically you just there's like a foot

662
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: of space to crawl through and you can't even crawl.

663
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: You're like inching, you know, using your shoulder blades. I

664
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: would have lost my You would not have liked this pancake.

665
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: And that's when I remember thinking, boy, Josh would not

666
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: have liked this part. Know it was uncomfortable for me.

667
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: And I don't even have issues with like, you know,

668
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: closed in spaces, but you feel like, what if the

669
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: earth shifted it in this thing just smash me. Yeah,

670
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: of course you're at that and ship like that, but

671
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: I don't know it could. I'm down there, I'm freaking out. Yeah,

672
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: and you made it though, but I don't want to

673
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: spoil it. You survived. Uh, what else? You need? Food

674
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: and water? You want enough to last your whole trip,

675
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: and then some just in case, you know, like you

676
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: want gloves, you want a first aid kit. Yeah, and

677
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: here's my favorite part. So we were talking about how

678
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: um like you do you just preserve the environment exactly

679
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: as it was found. This also means that you're not

680
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: allowed to poop there. You can poop there, but you're

681
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: gonna poop into like a plastic container that you can

682
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: carry out with you because you take your urine and

683
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: your feces out of the cave with you. So you

684
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: want a plastic bottle to p in two and a

685
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: like a good crushed proof container to poop into. I

686
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: did not poop. I wouldn't have pooped. I'd just be like, well,

687
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: I guess I'm not pooping today. Yeah, and you know,

688
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: I was only down there a few hours. So if

689
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: you if if you can't hold your poop a few hours,

690
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: you probably shouldn't be caving that day. Man, just put

691
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: it off, you know. Imagine getting sick down there, Oh

692
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: like vomity, No, I'm not sure what you mean the

693
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: other kind? Oh like poopy sick? Yeah, yeah, that would

694
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: be awful. Um. If you have a cave map, which

695
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: you should have, UM, bring a few copies, put them

696
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: in zip blocks, hand them out to your friends that

697
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: you're with, make sure everyone knows what's going on. And

698
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: you also want to probably leave one at home with

699
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 1: an X marks the spot of your route and um, well,

700
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: at least it's a cave safety, doesn't it. Yeah, there's

701
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: a lot of precautions you should be taking before you

702
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: set out. Yeah, I know what you're doing. Do not

703
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: take it lightly. It's not like a hike, um that

704
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: you can go on, so it's it's definitely different. You

705
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: should go with someone knows what they're doing. Um. At

706
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: the very least, Uh, a couple of people would be

707
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: even better. They say not to go in really large

708
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 1: groups because you don't want it like you could leave

709
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: someone behind easier, Like four to six people is a

710
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: good number, and you want to put the slowest person

711
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: at the front of the group. That would have been me.

712
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: So everybody's kind of pushing them from behind sometimes literally. Uh.

713
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: And the reason why is because you know that person

714
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: doesn't get left behind. That makes the whole groups together.

715
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: And if you're into um, passive aggressive peer pressure, that's great.

716
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: That's a great situation for everybody. Yeah, you know, no,

717
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: you're fine, That's what they kept saying to I know

718
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: you're doing great, buddy, And I was like, no, I'm not.

719
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: I know, I'm that guy. Um. You also, never ever

720
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: want to go caving alone. I don't think there's a

721
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: better sentence that's ever been spoken by anybody. Never go

722
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: caving alone. That's a good idea. Um. If you do

723
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: get lost, they say to stay put and that it's

724
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: better to stay put instead of moving around because at

725
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: least you're where you last were. You are where you

726
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: last were, well, you're where you said you were going

727
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, at least roughly. If your light goes

728
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: out in your alone, starts screaming at the top of

729
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: your lungs until someone comes and gets you that's probably

730
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: not a bad idea, but they say not to freak out.

731
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, I would definitely try and make a little noise,

732
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 1: although you also don't want to attract the descent hail billies.

733
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah whatever those were, they were they were mountain folk.

734
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: You know what? That was a lot like a Lovecraft

735
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: um story. I wasn't I can't remember the name of it,

736
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: but it's, uh, there's a whole thing that tooks place

737
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: in the Allegheny's maybe at Airondacks when somewhere up there, um,

738
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 1: whereas this family that was like kind of mountain folk

739
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: came to inbreed and eventually moved underground. It's one of

740
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: his best ones. Man, he was. We should do a

741
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: guest on him. Okay, what a twisted mind. Yeah, well

742
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: we did the necronomic I remember, Yeah, but let's just

743
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: do one in his life what made him tick? Let's

744
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: do it. Um. Well, we're at it real quick, dude.

745
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: I found a real legitimate physics paper or written by

746
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: a legitimate physicist that explains how certain events in uh

747
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: Lovecrafts the Call of Cthulhu can be explained away by

748
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: quantum physics. Really. Yeah, it's specifically a gravitational lensing. Yeah,

749
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: to explain what cthulhu is or know, like, what happened

750
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: to this guy who went mad and described this crazy

751
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: place that he went and stumbled upon in the South

752
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: Pacific um and then came back and wrote about it.

753
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: They were like, well, actually, wait a minute, what he's

754
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: talking about is a quantum bubble. Yeah, it's pretty awesome.

755
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: That's like it's it gets like he works out math

756
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: and formulas for explaining all this and that's but the

757
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: rest of it is really interesting. Wow. Yeah, I can't

758
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: remember what it's called, but probably look up the physics

759
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: of the called Cathulia and I'm sure it'll bring it up.

760
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: That's a good one. That's awesome. So what are some

761
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: of the big problems you're gonna run into, chuck, aside

762
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: from getting lost or running out of light. Hypothermia, right,

763
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 1: always a concern when you're cold and wet. Um, like

764
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: I said earlier, flooding of passages, which I was worried

765
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: about the whole time. Um, slipping, falling. I was slipping

766
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: all over the place. It's going to happen in these

767
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: muddy caves, and you know, you just I just sort

768
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: of slid and try not to pick my face up

769
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: off the rock, but I definitely got bumps and bruises

770
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: and I was really sore the next day. It was

771
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: like mountain climbing, except under ground in the mountain was

772
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: slick and muddy. That's basically kind of what it felt

773
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: like rock climbing. It was not what I thought it

774
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 1: was gonna be. Once again, I can't stress that enough.

775
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: It's not a stroll a my bologna sandwich by and Am. Yeah.

776
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: It was pretty bad, um, but super fun. And like

777
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: I said, when you come out, man, that's so weird.

778
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: Once you've been underground for that long, when you come

779
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: out into the real world, everything is just like hypercolorful

780
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: and bright and just weird, and it's like, man, there's

781
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: a whole different world down there that most people don't

782
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: know about. Nice, highly encourage it. Just be careful. Yeah,

783
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: I think that's a good advice. Is there anything else

784
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: in here? Um? Always make sure that several people above

785
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: ground know where you went, know where you're going, no

786
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: when you expect to be back. Um. And if somebody

787
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 1: does get hurt, never leave that person alone. A couple

788
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: of people have to stay with them. A couple of

789
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: people have to go top side. The people who go

790
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: top side need to leave some of their supplies and

791
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: lightening stuff and water back with the people who are

792
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: hanging out with the injured person. They need to know

793
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: exactly where the injured person is so they can tell

794
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: other people who can come get them out. Um. And uh.

795
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: They also need to remember to take the car keys

796
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: with them. Really kind of important. You don't want to

797
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: get all the way out there and be like, can

798
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 1: you imagine left the keys in there? Yeah, that would suck. Uh.

799
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: And then like you said, if you ever get lost,

800
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: you don't want to panic. You want to stay put.

801
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: You want to uh rely on your plan, your backup plan,

802
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: which was letting a bunch of people know that you

803
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: were supposed to have been home two hours ago and

804
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: you weren't. That's right. And there are thousands of caves

805
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: in the US, um many of which are very explorable.

806
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: Just do your research beforehand, go with someone that knows

807
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: what they're doing. There are more extreme caves around the

808
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: world that are very cool to look at. Ones that

809
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: you actually can skydive into, or not scott dive, but

810
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: base jump into. Boy that I can't imagine Skott having

811
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: into one. I think I've seen, Um, I've seen video

812
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: of people base jumping into this Satano de LESCo and

813
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: yeah it was I think Planet Earth the Discovery Show

814
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: had that. Okay, yeah that's where I saw it. It

815
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: was it's way cool. And then like you talked about

816
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: the note tast those are very cool too. UM, just

817
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: be careful. Have we said that enough? I don't know.

818
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: I don't think you can, because, like I said, once

819
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: you get there, you realize they're just a bunch of

820
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: dummies no matter what that are ill prepared locals that

821
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: are like, yeah, I've been down here before. Well, if

822
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: you want to learn more about caving, you can type

823
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: in spelunking in the search bar at how stuff works

824
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: dot com sp E l U n K, I n

825
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: G and we'll bring up this article. UM and uh,

826
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: I said spilanking, which means, of course it's time for

827
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: a listener. Now, I'm gonna call this Pakistani pizza. We

828
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: did a pizza podcast and we got lots and lots

829
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: and lots of feedback on that. I knew that was

830
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: going to be one of those very ubiquitous food that

831
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: people love to talk about. UM. And this is from

832
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: UM and I'm probably gonna put your name, sorry, buddy.

833
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: Uh Nabi ha c ed okay, and he said that

834
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: he listened to the Pizza Cast and thought he would

835
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: drop some four one one on pizza in Pakistan. He's

836
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: originally from Orlando, but it currently lives in Karachi for university.

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Speaker 1: And he said here, when you order a pizza, you

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Speaker 1: don't really order toppings, but you order a specific flavor.

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Speaker 1: Um although if you're at a pizza place you can

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Speaker 1: order specific toppings and build your on pizza. His Pizza

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Speaker 1: Hut calls it, though they are a little less cooperative

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Speaker 1: when you order for delivery, apparently in Pakistan, so he said,

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Speaker 1: it's a Muslim country. Pizza Hut alone serves chicken Tica,

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Speaker 1: Chicken Cary, chicken Fajita Bhari, chicken f caan Tica, and

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Speaker 1: the spicier fajita Sicilian Asabella as vell, as well as

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Speaker 1: the veggie shwarma pepperoni and a couple of other different

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Speaker 1: beat Flavorsizza in Pakistan here's the kicker for me, guys.

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Speaker 1: Not only do they offer their usual stuff crust with

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Speaker 1: the rope of cheese. They also serve beefy Uh seek

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Speaker 1: kebab stuff crust. Yes, wow, Papa Johns, wait, I want

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Speaker 1: to just make sure you understands what you just said.

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Speaker 1: He said that they offer a a pizza with a

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Speaker 1: crust stuffed with kebab with beef kebab. That sounds delightful,

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Speaker 1: it does, um. Papa John's uh offers some more traditional

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Speaker 1: American pizza menu with their various pseudo Italian names including Chicken, Florentine,

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Speaker 1: Um Dominoes. Flavors in Pakistan are a little more mainstream American,

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Speaker 1: while they do serve chicken Tika as well as something

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Speaker 1: called Golden Feast or something to that effect, which as

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Speaker 1: far as I know involves corn, pineapple, and probably chicken.

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Speaker 1: Along with the corporate giants, there are plenty of local

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Speaker 1: chains oddly generic sounding names, including Pizza Place, Pizza Point, Pizza,

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Speaker 1: California Pizza, and the list goes on and on. Just pizza.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a type of Unfortunately, my university and dorm

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Speaker 1: are located on the outskirts of town, not in the

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Speaker 1: ideal neighborhoods at these places usually don't deliver, but I

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Speaker 1: suppose that's fine. I don't order pizza very much here

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Speaker 1: as Pakistani pizza is kind of small and a bit

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Speaker 1: too cakey and very super ready, but it fills you up, um,

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Speaker 1: and you never leave hungry. I just had a fairly

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Speaker 1: tasty contraption from pizza point around five hours ago for dinner.

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Speaker 1: I can still feel it in my throat less and

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Speaker 1: learn did not go to bed in the morning, sleep

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Speaker 1: until the evening. Can order excess food anyways. Love the show, uh,

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Speaker 1: and lots of love that is uh, Nabia, see it.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot, and that's why. Yeah, that's that's why. Eat. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: see it you just said, but maybe just said it's eat,

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Speaker 1: but it's a eat. We'll find out to be all right. Yep,

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Speaker 1: thanks a lot for writing you. Good luck with your study,

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Speaker 1: um and the pizza. Yeah. If you're in a foreign

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