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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal?

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Speaker 2: Indeed we do, that's how that goes. We see Sevenswillen

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Speaker 2: oil tanker and Trump is promising more to come, so

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Speaker 2: a lot to dig into there. Also, we got the

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Speaker 2: announcement from the Fed they are cutting rates a quarter

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Speaker 2: of a point amidst other economic fallout. We also have

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Speaker 2: and some interesting bullet points that they released about some

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Speaker 2: Altman is apparently using chat GPT to raise his baby.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't seem like a great idea to me. I

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Speaker 2: got some other AI news as well. The Washington Post

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Speaker 2: whether we like it or not. New details have emerged

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Speaker 2: about Jeffrey Epstein's relationship with Les Wexner and with Israel

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Speaker 2: as well. This is more great reporting from Dropsite from

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Speaker 2: join us to talk about that. That one was really

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Speaker 2: interesting to me. I'm talking about the Miami mayor's race

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Speaker 3: Yeah, especially in the context of Venezuela and everything else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a thirty very insightful.

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Speaker 3: Right, let's go ahead and start with Venezuela. As Crystal said, huge,

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Speaker 1: So first, let's go ahead and start with this.

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Speaker 3: This is video released by the United States Attorney General

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Speaker 3: Pam What you guys are all seeing in front of

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Speaker 1: This is an unflagged, uninsured tanker.

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Speaker 3: And this was supported these operations by United States aircraft carrier.

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you very much.

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Speaker 6: It's been an interesting day from the standpoint of news.

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Speaker 6: As you probably know, we've just seized a tanker on

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Speaker 5: So how do people see yourself into the first look

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Speaker 7: He's been fairly hostile to the United States, and I

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Speaker 5: Columbia is producing a lot of drugs.

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Speaker 7: They have cocaine factories that they make cocaine, as you know,

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Speaker 7: So I hope he's listening.

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Speaker 8: Yes, President, because we don't like people when they kill

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Speaker 3: So that was also a threat to President Petro over

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Speaker 3: Right. So the Maria Machado thing is important for a

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Speaker 1: To buy oil. And there's all this talk right now

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Speaker 3: Let's say to the United States, Nicholas Madua, and let's

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Speaker 3: And you know, I mean same thing here with Cuba.

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Speaker 3: Trump himself said quote, he offered everything and then migrants. Okay,

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Speaker 3: But it's complicated. We want to stable Venezuela. Who governs it.

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: Our actions dramatically undermine regional stability, dramatically undermine regional security.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to know why Venezuela or any

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Speaker 2: So it's counterproductive all the way around. I mean the Cuba,

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Speaker 2: seizing of the oil tankers. Oh, this is just like

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Speaker 9: I'm seizing a tanker. How could this escalate the conflict

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Speaker 10: Well, you know, we've had sanctions on Venezuelan oil for

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Speaker 9: I mean seizing an oil tanking.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we've been seizing Iranian oil tankers in the past.

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Speaker 10: what will this mean in terms of escalation? You know,

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Speaker 10: I mean, you know, we pick up this oil tanker,

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Speaker 2: And this is the thinking in DC. I mean, in

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to Chuck Schumer talking about you know,

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Speaker 9: Do you disagree with President Trump's ultimate goal of regime

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Speaker 11: Look, the bottom line is President Trump throws out so

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Speaker 11: if Madeiro would just flee on his own, everyone would

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Speaker 2: Yes, actually you can say I endorse this or I

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Speaker 2: are on board with this. I mean they were all

437
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Speaker 2: behind the whole. Jan Guido attempted coups.

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Speaker 1: And this is why I can't, we can't.

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Speaker 3: This is a bipartisan story, and any honest telling of

440
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Speaker 3: it ignores that. Right, is that Donald Trump, Yes, the

441
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Speaker 3: Juan Guido situation supported by Marco Rubio but also by

442
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Speaker 3: the Democrats. Don't forget he was at the State of

443
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Speaker 3: the Union. They all stood up ra ambation. Nancy Pelosi.

444
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Speaker 3: I recovered that with you, and I remember saying, I go, man,

445
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Speaker 3: anytime you see two people standing up at the State

446
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Speaker 3: of the Union, if it has nothing to do with

447
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 3: like a veteran or a gold star widow, it's like

448
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 3: we're in trouble.

449
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: Like We're in trouble.

450
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Speaker 3: Anytime people on both sides of the aisle are all

451
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Speaker 3: standing up to cheer something. That's what happened, Chuck Schumer.

452
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 3: All these people, they buy the fundamental premise of a

453
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Speaker 3: regime change in Venezuela and just to again sit with this.

454
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Speaker 3: This is an action genuinely extraordinary. She talked about Iran,

455
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Speaker 3: She's totally wrong. What I have you know, I did

456
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Speaker 3: my research in terms of the oil tankers. Here's how

457
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 3: it usually goes. We issue a threat, we say you

458
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Speaker 3: need to transfer the cargo. The United States Justice Department

459
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Speaker 3: is going to seize this based on XYZ sanctioned endorsed

460
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Speaker 3: by the United States Congress. We do not like, as

461
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Speaker 3: I said twenty fourteen, last time we've physically boarded a vessel.

462
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Speaker 3: She said, we do this to Iranian oil tankers all

463
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Speaker 3: the time. Completely false. Now do we run up on

464
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Speaker 3: them and say, hey, you need to render and all that, Yes,

465
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Speaker 3: but by force like this?

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Speaker 4: No?

467
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Speaker 1: No, no, like this is serious?

468
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Speaker 2: Sound right?

469
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Speaker 3: I mean this is serious shit like and beyond that,

470
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Speaker 3: the United States Congress has never once declared never once

471
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Speaker 3: war on Venezuela, has not endorsed regime change on Venezuela,

472
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Speaker 3: and you know, at this point I would say, you know,

473
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Speaker 3: I'd be like, okay, right now, I think it's a

474
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 3: horrible idea. But if you're going to do this, you

475
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 3: need to go to Congress, the majority and they all.

476
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Speaker 3: I want their asses on the line. I want everybody

477
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 3: to vork for MECT. If this should ever backfires, I

478
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 3: want to hold you accountable. But they don't want to

479
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 3: do that. They want to hold you know, behind the

480
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Speaker 3: cameras in DC, and Chuck Schumer can sit there and

481
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Speaker 3: say Donald Trump doesn't know what he's doing, but you know,

482
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Speaker 3: at the end of the day, he's doing it incompetently.

483
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Speaker 1: But I still kind of support it.

484
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I can't really endorse or under yes, actually no,

485
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Speaker 2: you can. You can like, it's not all dependent on

486
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump. You could have your own view of things,

487
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Speaker 2: but the truth is he does and he, like low

488
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Speaker 2: key or high key, supports it. I want to give

489
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Speaker 2: a shout out to Rowe gave excellent comments on the

490
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Speaker 2: floor yesterday, Chris van Holland gave excellent comments on the

491
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Speaker 2: floor yesterday. So there have been some you know, really

492
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Speaker 2: powerful but potentially minority voices from the Democrats on this.

493
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Speaker 2: But in terms of the leadership, you know, they are

494
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Speaker 2: very reluctant, and it's it's I don't even understand it

495
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: because it's not like Democrats win in Florida anymore, you

496
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like Florida's not a swing state anymore.

497
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 2: You don't have to do this shit anymore. Like you

498
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: could just oppose this and join with the where the

499
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Speaker 2: American people are and say, no, we don't want a

500
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Speaker 2: war for oil, we don't want a war for these

501
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Speaker 2: South Florida neocons. We are not on board with this whatsoever.

502
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Speaker 2: You could just do that, even if you're just reading

503
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Speaker 2: the cynical political calculus. But even that is beyond them

504
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: because they are so ideologically committed to these global regime

505
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Speaker 2: change operations.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and considering you know, what else is going on,

507
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Speaker 3: I do at least want to highlight there are rumblings

508
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Speaker 3: in Congress. And some of this was sent to me

509
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Speaker 3: by Eric Spurling. He's over at just Foreign Policy. This

510
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 3: is pointing out that even a guy like Ryan Zink,

511
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Speaker 3: he was a Trump Cabinet official, he's one of the most.

512
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Speaker 1: Hawkish members of Congress.

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Speaker 3: Even he is going on CNN and he's like, look,

514
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 3: we may need to pump the brakes here. They don't

515
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Speaker 3: have unlimited powers to launch war in Venezuela. Aaight, please,

516
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Speaker 3: let's put it up on the screen.

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Speaker 12: The president have powers, has powers, but he doesn't have

518
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Speaker 12: unlimited powers when it comes to using force against in

519
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 12: the country of action. Is that This is why we

520
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 12: have Article one in Argo two, he has to present

521
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Speaker 12: a case to the Congress.

522
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Speaker 4: Congress is the only body that to declare war.

523
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Speaker 2: Should the US go to a land war in Venezuela.

524
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Speaker 4: Over this Venezuela. You know, I am an advocate of

525
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Speaker 4: the Monroe doctrine.

526
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Speaker 12: You can't have a drug dealing country like Venezuela in

527
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Speaker 12: the soft underbelly of the United States, which is the Caribbean.

528
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Speaker 4: You can't have a country that's running.

529
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Speaker 12: Narco terrorists and drug boats by air, sea and land,

530
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Speaker 12: constantly running against US policy and the policy of being

531
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Speaker 12: a safe, secure Caribbean.

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Speaker 4: Which yes, uh, I would say, I would leave that

533
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Speaker 4: up to Congress.

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Speaker 3: I would leave it up to Congress. Also, yeah again Monroe, Oh,

535
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Speaker 3: no doctrine. It's like Munich. You know, whenever we have

536
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 3: to talk about it, you don't know any about the

537
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 3: Monroe doctrine.

538
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Speaker 1: You literally don't know.

539
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Speaker 3: And it was designed, as I said, in the eighteen hundreds,

540
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Speaker 3: to keep the European powers out of Latin America and

541
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Speaker 3: the Western hemisphere then and probably don't even fucking know this.

542
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Speaker 3: There's something called the Roosevelt cor Larry to the Monroe doctrine,

543
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 3: which says the United States has a right to intervene

544
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Speaker 3: in Latin America. Also designed at the time of European

545
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Speaker 3: monarchies to say that if Germany, for example, was going

546
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Speaker 3: to intervene or invade Brazil, argent I.

547
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Speaker 1: Think it was Argentina.

548
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Speaker 3: It was one of those countries at the time that no,

549
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Speaker 3: the United States instead has a right to do.

550
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Speaker 1: So.

551
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Speaker 3: None of this has to do with an ideological war

552
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 3: again inspired by Emmy Grays, mostly rich emmigrays. Let's be

553
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 3: honest of the Venezuelan and Cuban Emigray population to Florida

554
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 3: who now literally are occupying our government.

555
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Speaker 2: If we do this, we'll never let the Cold War die.

556
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Speaker 3: Where Cold War it's like there again, like who rules

557
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: Venezuela is not our problem period, especially if they're going

558
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 3: to give us oil and they'll accept the mind. I mean,

559
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 3: what else could you want why do I care? Oh,

560
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: we stole an election. You know how many people are

561
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 3: still in elections around the world, how many dictateor we

562
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 3: just received the Saudi monarchy, right who literally a literal.

563
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: Al Qaeda terrorist to the president's hearing, We sees as.

564
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 3: He sees his country by military force. Right, Oh, those

565
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 3: spooky and bad right though. I mean, this is what

566
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 3: I'm saying. It's it's preposterous. We deal with bad people

567
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 3: all over the world.

568
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 2: To mention that our sanctions and our program against Maduro

569
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 2: and also against the Cubans, like, it's part of what

570
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: helps prop up these traditions because Maduro can blame all

571
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 2: of the problems of Venezuela on us, even when some

572
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: of them are his doing. I mean, I think it

573
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: also contributes to the authoritari event. Because you're under so

574
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 2: much pressure and have so much pressure coming externally, it

575
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 2: makes you, you know, terror, It makes you want to

576
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: and need to rule with an iron fist. This is

577
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 2: not an excuse or anything like that, but it's just

578
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: to explain how incredibly stupid, counterproductive damaging our foreign policy

579
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 2: has been, and our sanctioned policy has been, especially with

580
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Speaker 2: regard to these countries. So yeah, so I mean, here

581
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: we are, sager, what's your estimation of Like, are we

582
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: this is just happening? Is that where we are? This

583
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 2: is the decision has been made because seems like there's

584
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: been waffling in the past number of weeks.

585
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Speaker 3: They continue to believe that Maduro will just step down,

586
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 3: Like that's really what this is about, is this is

587
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 3: about a military pressure campaign. There is one saving grace

588
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: to this, which is that they are still terrified of

589
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: US boots on the round. Now I'm not saying that

590
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 3: can't happen because here's I mean, look if the United

591
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: States oil tanker, I mean fricking Captain Phillips, who was

592
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 3: like a merchant marine captain who was seized by Somali pirates.

593
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 3: We sent three US warships, dropped one hundred Navy seals

594
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Speaker 3: and sniped three of them in the head in the

595
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Speaker 3: middle of moving water. Is just to protect the primacy

596
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 3: of the American flag on the high seas. It's an

597
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: act of war, right, I mean, that's why we treat

598
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 3: it the way that it is. This is one of

599
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 3: the I mean literally the point of the United States

600
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 3: Navies to guarantee the seas you know, for commerce. For

601
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 3: the United States, this is something we would never tolerate.

602
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: We would absolutely go to war over something like that,

603
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 3: and frankly we should, we should, Okay, And so my

604
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: point is, but yeah, but even the Hoothi's never fire

605
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Speaker 3: on a US ship.

606
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: That's right, That's right.

607
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to say.

608
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Speaker 3: It's like, if this was actually a United States oil

609
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 3: tanker and another country, oh my good, even I would

610
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: tell you, I'd be like, blow.

611
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: Their asses up.

612
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: We said they were terrorists for what they were doing.

613
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: It wasn't even to us, it.

614
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Speaker 3: Was right, and go to a British ship or you

615
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: know whatever, like some other US allyship, which again I

616
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: don't know why. That's my problem. The last time I

617
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 3: checked the British navies, their pride and joy. Let them

618
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 3: deal with it. But you know, we could step back.

619
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Speaker 3: The point remains solely that they are still afraid of

620
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: actually putting troops on the ground. But how quickly could

621
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 3: all this all viral out of control? What if one

622
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 3: of those guys fired at a What if a US marine,

623
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 3: god forbid, was killed in this action?

624
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine that?

625
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 3: And then the blood lust here in this country and

626
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 3: this is why this is just like Iraq. It was

627
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 3: an ideological project from the beginning. WMD was a pretext.

628
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 3: That's why I've been screaming so much about fentanyl.

629
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Speaker 1: It's bullshit. It's complete bullshit.

630
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 3: It's literally fake, fake, and faker than WMD, to be honest,

631
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: you know, they had much more of a case that

632
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,479
Speaker 3: time around. John Stewart did a good job of breaking

633
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 3: all that down. But it's like the fentanyl thing, you know,

634
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 3: created this thing where the narco terrorist is now in

635
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: the lexicon, and now that's all over Fox News and

636
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: the brain dead MAGA people they believe it. And now

637
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: the oil they're like, well, you know, just like overthrowing Saddam.

638
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 3: It's like, well, it was about WMD, but that's why

639
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 3: we need to replace him in d Bathla.

640
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Speaker 1: Like it's all part of the next logical conclusion.

641
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 3: This has all been part of regime change from the

642
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 3: beginning to be now the final thing is we should

643
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 3: be at least assured. They are still afraid of a

644
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 3: Libya style situation. They want Maduro to just hand power over.

645
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: But let me just even say that is even you know,

646
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: look at Libya, let's say even militarily we don't strike

647
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 3: Venezuela land and Maduro just goes. You think like he's

648
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: the Chavez people have been in power now for like

649
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 3: twenty some years. Just because he goes what you think

650
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 3: that the people of a monopoly on the use of

651
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 3: force are just going to be like here Maria Machadoh

652
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 3: here's my rifle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, No, that's not how it works.

654
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Speaker 2: Or that the people in Venezuela are just going to

655
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Speaker 2: accept like, oh, yes, thank you for our us puppet regime.

656
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Speaker 2: We accept this and are happy about it.

657
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean probably not.

658
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Speaker 3: Okay, maybe some but maybe not other Like what is

659
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Speaker 3: the history of that?

660
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Speaker 1: Tell what Iraq Saddam was a bad guy.

661
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Speaker 3: Okay, he killed hundreds of thousands of his own people,

662
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: literally gassed women and children. Well guess what after he left,

663
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Speaker 3: it was way worse And you have to just be

664
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Speaker 3: honest about that.

665
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's maybe what happens in Venezuela.

666
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Speaker 2: And created new terroritory. It created new rated and security threats.

667
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Speaker 3: I look, you got Venezuela, which they claim is a

668
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Speaker 3: drug capital, and it's like, oh, let's just plunge the

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Speaker 3: country into civil war. I'm sure that won't be to

670
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Speaker 3: the benefit of the guerrillas. Right, Oh, civil war in

671
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 3: Latin America's never been exploited by drug traffickers Colombia. Oh right,

672
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Speaker 3: you know, read a fucking book. I mean this is

673
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Speaker 3: where you don't even have to read. You could watch

674
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Speaker 3: Clear and Present danger, like you know, some movie from

675
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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety. This was long held as some sort of wisdom,

676
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Speaker 3: wisdom post nineteen eighties, nineteen sixties to nineteen eighties, like

677
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Speaker 3: direct medaling in Latin America, which did not work out

678
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Speaker 3: to the benefit of us interest almost everyone in hindsight,

679
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, man, that was crazy, right, the San Denistas,

680
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Speaker 3: and I mean even going back to the whole Banana

681
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Speaker 3: Republic stuff, like most people look at that as a

682
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Speaker 3: pretty shameful part of US history. Which again, beyond that,

683
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Speaker 3: like did it work out to us? Like, no, it

684
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Speaker 3: certainly didn't. And that's why putting this all full circle,

685
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Speaker 3: the press, I mean, that absolutely normal clip that should

686
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 3: live an infamy for real, it really should. Yeah, you

687
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: can't say that, like it's not true. And people just

688
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: don't have the requisite knowledge base or they don't either

689
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 3: read or they don't they're not skeptical of the government's claims.

690
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Speaker 3: And we have a bipartisan wish for expelling Madua again,

691
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Speaker 3: why because he's stolen election?

692
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Speaker 1: Maybe? I mean, can anybody even prove maybe he did? Maybe? Okay?

693
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Speaker 1: And by the way, even if he who cares.

694
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Speaker 2: He's very willing to leave too. By the way, he

695
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Speaker 2: just was'm supposed to do it on his term, right,

696
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Speaker 2: I mean to your point about like you don't even

697
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,719
Speaker 2: have to have read a book, you just have to

698
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: have like existed in the United States for the past

699
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Speaker 2: number of decades. This reminds me of why I am

700
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Speaker 2: fundamentally a populist, because look at where the elites are

701
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: and the insane shit they talk themselves into and think

702
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: there's so much smarter than the population, And then look

703
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: at the polls, and in spite of all the like frankly,

704
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Speaker 2: half asked propaganda efforts, you have a majority of Americans

705
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Speaker 2: who are like, no, not on board with this random

706
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: like alleged drug boat murders, not on board with Venezuela

707
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Speaker 2: regime change. We don't want any of this. What are

708
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Speaker 2: you doing? So it only takes some sort of like

709
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 2: lived experience, frankly and basic common sense to understand what

710
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: a terrible direction this is and yet you have so

711
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: much bipartisan elite support, including on networks like CNN, including

712
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Speaker 2: from Chuck Schumer, and of course from the Trump regime

713
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: and the you know, the Miami the Miami occupied government

714
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: as you put it, that, you know, we're in spite

715
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: of the public being adamantly opposed to this and wanting

716
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 2: their politicians to refocus on domestic issues and actually deliver

717
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Speaker 2: and make their lives better. Instead, we're doing this bullshit.

718
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Speaker 3: Yes, and again, unfortunately it's not receiving nearly the amount

719
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Speaker 3: of attention it deserves. They are counting on everyone to

720
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Speaker 3: just look the other way. Oh, it's just another Trump thing,

721
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 3: and then it'll explode out on this. I mean, you know,

722
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 3: if we think back to Libya, you were did were

723
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Speaker 3: you want to have some time see that? Yet it

724
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 3: like like was it really the headline every day? Because

725
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 3: from what I remember, Gaddafi was gone? And then after that,

726
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: when did people start to pay atten Chris Stevens, you know,

727
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 3: after Benghazi. Yeah, but there was a nine month period

728
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Speaker 3: where shit was going bad.

729
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Speaker 2: And that was more I mean, certainly MSNBC was covering that,

730
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Speaker 2: but that was more a partisan Like on Fox News,

731
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: they were on it all you know every day.

732
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Speaker 3: But my point is, just like most we don't remember,

733
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Speaker 3: like even in the midst of a lot of even Iraq.

734
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 3: I lived through Iraq. That's when I really became a

735
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: cognizant of the news. You know, for a while there

736
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Speaker 3: after three you didn't.

737
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Speaker 1: Pay much attention.

738
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Speaker 3: There were things that LI lied like this where there

739
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 3: was very little, there was nothing very I mean, I

740
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Speaker 3: remember Isis for example, right the Caesar of Mosul. Nobody

741
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: in America had thought about Iraq for three years. We

742
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 3: left in twenty eleven, and then we just woke up

743
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 3: three years later and they took over the city. If

744
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 3: you were paying attention, you know, maybe you would have learned.

745
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 3: But like, that's my biggest fear with Venezuela is we'll

746
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 3: just do something built, declare victory, and then nine to

747
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: ten months that's how this stuff. You know, nothing happens

748
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 3: like this right, like it's a slow burn, but the

749
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 3: results are very predictable. So I don't I wish I

750
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: could say, call your congressman, but you know, the truth

751
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 3: is they probably support it.

752
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 2: Well, I will say, I will say that remember there

753
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: was they were pretty close to some sort of a

754
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 2: resolution and then the White House basically lied to them

755
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: and like, oh, we're not going to do anything. This

756
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 2: isn't necessary, you don't have to pass this, and then

757
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 2: they backed away from it. So there is at least

758
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: some support for you know, war powers resolution, some sort

759
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 2: of a check on this administration. But you know, I

760
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 2: would bet on the side of cowardice. They don't want

761
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: to be on the record. I'm happy to you know,

762
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: even the ones even though exactly even the ones who

763
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: were leary of the action, they would rather just be

764
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: able to like blame Trump if it goes wrong and

765
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: not have their name on a yes or a no

766
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: vote up or down vote. So you know, I think, look,

767
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: I am really really pessimistic because the other piece is

768
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 2: by painting this as like oh Monroe doctrine and Narco

769
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: terrorist And as Jesse Waters said, you know, America is

770
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: literally in the name of South and Central America.

771
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: Wa, what do you say that?

772
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: Yes, so of course it's America first. He literally said that. Yeah.

773
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: So you know, I mean, you don't have the same

774
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: the same level of dissident voices on the right that

775
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: you had in the build up to the Iran strikes,

776
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 2: for example, or people with access and power and influence

777
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: in sway who are in the White House trying to

778
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: make an opposite case or on the airwaves trying to

779
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: make an opposite case. And you know, I mean, the

780
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: Trump administration doesn't give a shit of what lefties like

781
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: me have to say, or any other Democrat for that matter.

782
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 2: And so the fact that you don't have really any

783
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: competing pressure saying no, we shouldn't do this to me

784
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: is why we're.

785
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: In Yeah, they don't care about me either.

786
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 3: The only person who maybe I wouldn't say he could

787
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 3: have stopped it, but he would have been influential on

788
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: this is Charlie kirkbod you know.

789
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: But I mean they don't know if he would have

790
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: opposed it because so many mag voices are on board

791
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: with it. I know, I'm I mean on board with it,

792
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: like yes here in Venezuela. Yes wow, Okay, yeah, no

793
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: it's bad.

794
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: Okay wow, just wow. All right, let's get to econ.

795
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 2: So, speaking of those things that Americans would actually like

796
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: us to be doing rather than new regime change wars,

797
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: Trump was gave a big speech this week trying to

798
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 2: tout his economic results and also giving us some advice

799
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: about how to navigate the current economic waters. Let's take

800
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: a listen.

801
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 13: Our economy is unbelievable. There's never been anything, but the

802
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 13: Democrats go out.

803
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 1: Prices are too high.

804
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 13: Yeah, they're too high because they caused them to be

805
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 13: too high.

806
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: But now they're coming down.

807
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 13: One of the most important ways we're defeating inflation is

808
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 13: by unleashing American energy, including oil, gas and clean.

809
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 14: Beautiful call right here in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. They

810
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 14: gave you the highest inflat in history, and we're giving

811
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Speaker 14: you We're bringing those prices down rapidly, lower prices, bigger paychecks.

812
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 14: You're getting lower prices, bigger paychecks. We're getting inflation, we're

813
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 14: crushing it, and you're getting much higher wages. I mean,

814
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 14: the only thing that used it's really going up big.

815
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 14: It's called the stock market and your four oh one case.

816
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 14: You can give up certain products. You can give up pencils.

817
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 14: Nice under the China policy. You know, every child can

818
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 14: get thirty seven pencils.

819
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 4: They only need one or two.

820
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 13: You know, they don't need that many, but you always need,

821
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 13: You always need steal. You don't need thirty seven dollars

822
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 13: for your daughter two or three is nice, but you

823
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 13: don't need thirty seven dollars.

824
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: Throw back to some of the Liberation Day rhetoric about

825
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 2: like your kids don't need that many dolls, you don't

826
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: need that many pencils. I think he's used both of

827
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: those examples before. I also love that, of course the

828
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: prices are high, he says, But then in that previous

829
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: interview with tot Burnssey was saying, oh, the economy's a

830
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Speaker 2: plus plus plus plus.

831
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Speaker 3: Also, as a father of a just not even one

832
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Speaker 3: year old girl, they do need a lot of dolls.

833
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Speaker 1: There's like each doll is a very specific purpose, okay, in.

834
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Speaker 3: Terms of in terms oft when specifically and what mouthfeel

835
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Speaker 3: the infant is looking for.

836
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Speaker 1: So sorry, President Trump, we do in fact need lots

837
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Speaker 1: and lives.

838
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Speaker 2: He's the expert on parenting. I'm tru a lot, very

839
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Speaker 2: involved in raising all of those children. Other big economic

840
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 2: news yesterday, everybody was watching this closely. The Fed announcing

841
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 2: that they are moving forward with a quarter point rate cut.

842
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to a little of that.

843
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 15: Total PCE prices rose two point eight percent over the

844
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Speaker 15: twelve months ending in September and excluding the volatile food

845
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 15: and energy categories Core PCE prices also arose two point

846
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Speaker 15: eight percent. These readings are higher than earlier in the year,

847
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 15: as inflation for goods has picked up, reflecting the effects

848
00:40:54,880 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 15: of tariffs. In the near term, risks to inflation are

849
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 15: tilted to the upside, and risks risks to employment to

850
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 15: the downside. A challenging situation. There is no risk free

851
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 15: path for policy as we navigate this tension between our

852
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 15: employment and inflation goals. A reasonable base case is that

853
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 15: the effects of tariffs on inflation will be relatively short lived,

854
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 15: effectively a one time shift in the price level. Our

855
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 15: obligation is to make sure that a one time increase

856
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 15: in the price level does not become an ongoing inflation problem. Accordingly,

857
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 15: we judged it appropriate at this meeting to lower our

858
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 15: policy rate by a quarter percentage point.

859
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 2: So quarter rate point cut as a very modest, modest cut,

860
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: less than what certainly President Trump is looking for. All

861
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: expectations are ja Palace term expires, and may either then

862
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: or even before then, Trump will be putting in his

863
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: own person. He has said explicitly that what he wants

864
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: from that person is for them to cut rates aggressively.

865
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Speaker 2: Pal seemed to be indicating hesitation and nervousness. And I

866
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 2: think the FED was to in terms of even this

867
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 2: quarter rate cut, because you've got those competing pressures he's

868
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: talking about. On the one hand, you have inflation concerns

869
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Speaker 2: continuing that would argue against a rate cut. On the

870
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: other hands, you have unemployment concerns increasing, so that would

871
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: argue for a rate cut. So that's why they took

872
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: this sort of middle ground, but signaling that future rate

873
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: cuts are not a guarantee whatsoever. So you know, what

874
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 2: do you make of this move and how Trump will

875
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 2: feel about it, what we'll do with the economy.

876
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 3: Well, he's already gone after the FED chairman, But I mean,

877
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 3: I think what it showed, what it definitely shows you.

878
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 3: First of all, for the FED, this is part of

879
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 3: the dangers because they have more unreliable data that they

880
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 3: have because of the Bureau Labor Statistics. Yeah, and because

881
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 3: of the government shutdown that previously happened. But beyond that,

882
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 3: what Trump and them are doing right now is just

883
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 3: so biden Esque to me, because very recently on their

884
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: affordability tour, so he went to Pennsylvania. I believe the

885
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 3: Vice president will go to Allentown, Pennsylvania very soon.

886
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: Is all built on.

887
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 3: From what I remember the first Trump administration doing on

888
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 3: the Task Cuts and Jobs Act is they would be like, well,

889
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 3: remember I told you that story about Paul Ryan, was like, well,

890
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 3: over a year, it should save you enough to buy

891
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 3: a new sink for my Kia or so like that's

892
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 3: basically what they're doing. They're like, yeah, Costco membership, that

893
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 3: was really right, Yeah, Costco membership.

894
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 1: Love Costo. I don't want to shoot on the Costco.

895
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 3: But the point is just that they're trying to find

896
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 3: these like little things and statistics which, even if they

897
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 3: may be true, don't really fit with inflation and are

898
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 3: very much Biden Esque in terms of well we saved

899
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 3: this amount of jobs. People do not need to hear

900
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 3: about whether they're doing well or not.

901
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: They just don't.

902
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 3: You can never convince somebody who is financially struggling that

903
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 3: they're actually doing better than they are. They have to

904
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 3: feel it, and that comes from a vibe. It also

905
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 3: just comes from basic like facts, and if you look

906
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: at the balance sheet of the everyday American, it does

907
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 3: not comport with what Trump is saying. That's why I

908
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 3: think it's such a failed strategy. I mean, beyond the

909
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 3: look maybe the MAGA folks will buy it. You know,

910
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 3: there's a lot of evidence around economic sentiment that people

911
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 3: feel better who are Republican voters about the economy when

912
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 3: a Republican is president, and vice versa with Democrats.

913
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: But I still think that much of that.

914
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: Is beginning to erode because the economic picture of fundamentals

915
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 3: is getting so bad.

916
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: And we're about to talk about healthcare.

917
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: I mean, it's look ACA premiums and all of that aside,

918
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 3: even employer sponsored healthcare, which with the vast majority of

919
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 3: Americans have, is way too expensive and it's bad and

920
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 3: most people know that, and it goes way up healthcare.

921
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: Education.

922
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: You know, I was, I was doing the five twenty

923
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 3: nine math recently for my daughter, and I was looking

924
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 3: and using chat TPT to track education inflation, and it's like,

925
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, I'm pretty wedded to in state

926
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 3: tuition because I just don't think there's that much of

927
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 3: a difference. But even that, when you look at it,

928
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 3: you're like, uh, Like, when you're looking at seventeen twenty percent,

929
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 3: you're like, so I'm gonna need two hundred grand.

930
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: This is going to outpace the s and P.

931
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: Five hundred just to send your child to a state school,

932
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 3: like and just track if things don't change. And I mean,

933
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 3: would anybody take the bet that things are going to

934
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 3: change in higher education?

935
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: No, It's the most corrupt industry in the world. So

936
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: everybody can feel that. Everyone.

937
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 3: And groceries, I mean, don't we have some of the

938
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 3: polling about how people are feeling.

939
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: I mean, white vacation one really stuck out here.

940
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's put we can go through that. Let's put

941
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: B seven up on the screen. And by the way,

942
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: I don't think we pulled this, but in this affordability

943
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: polling that Politico did, they found that a majority of

944
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 2: the Americans say the cost of college is not worth it. Now,

945
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: if you still look at the wage premium that you

946
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: achieve with a college degree, it is quite significant. It's

947
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 2: actually growing. But that is the sentiment among the American

948
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 2: people increasingly, is like, this level of debt that I

949
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: have to take on, it's not worth it for college anymore.

950
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: And listen, I have a daughter who's going to college

951
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: next year, so I'm looking very closely at all of

952
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 2: these things. I said the same thing to her. I'm like,

953
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 2: we have good in state colleges here in Virginia. Why

954
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: why would we even look anywhere else when the tuition

955
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: is so incredibly This is insane for an in state school,

956
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: but it's utterly insane to go out of state in

957
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 2: any case. Okay, here are some of the findings here.

958
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: They say that nearly half of Americans said they find groceries,

959
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 2: utility bills, healthcare, housing, and transportation difficult to afford. The

960
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: number one issue that people had affordability wise was actually groceries.

961
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: And I think that's because you know that pain point

962
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: is there every single week when you're going to the

963
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 2: grocery store and trying to figure out how you're going

964
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: to feed your family. That is with you every single week,

965
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: and it is so in your face, and you know

966
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: it's so in recent memory. You can you are connected

967
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 2: to how much cheaper groceries used to be. Let's put

968
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,959
Speaker 2: b eight up on the screen as well. Twenty seven

969
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 2: percent say that they have skipped the medical checkup because

970
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: of costs within the last two years. So a quarter

971
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 2: of Americans saying, you know what, I just can't can't

972
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: go in and get a check up. We all know

973
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: what that leads to. When you delay care. Then you

974
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: end up in the Murger agency room getting the most

975
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: expensive care, and it's obviously much worse for your health.

976
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: So this is a little window into why we have

977
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: we spend the most on healthcare and get the worst results.

978
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: Let's put the next piece up on the screen. This

979
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 2: is the one you were referring to, sober forty six percent.

980
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 2: So almost half of Americans, in what is supposed to be,

981
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: you know, this wealthy and glorious country, say they can't

982
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: pay for a vacation that involves air travel. And I

983
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: couldn't help but think about Sean Duffy telling us all

984
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: we got to dress up and the improving the flight

985
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: experience starts with you, Like, just imagine how galling that

986
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: is for fifty percent of Americans who were like, fuck you,

987
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: I can't even afford, Like I can't even conceive of

988
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 2: going on a vacation that involves air travel, and you

989
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: want me to like show up at the airport, you know,

990
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 2: and you're lecturing me about how I should be dressed

991
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 2: in this theoretical air travel that I can't even afford

992
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: to partake in. And then the last one we have

993
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: here is food. Half of those surveys that they find

994
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 2: it difficult to pay for food. Majority fifty blame the

995
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: Trump administration for the high price, so half of Americans

996
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: saying they find it difficult just to pay for food

997
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,919
Speaker 2: and people, of course they're not buying anymore. That it's

998
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: you know, it's all Biden's fault, which is, you know,

999
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 2: the two lines that Trump has are basically like, the

1000
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 2: economy is amazing, a plus plus plus plus. I think

1001
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 2: he actually believes that he does. I think he believes

1002
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 2: that because all he really looks at is a stock market,

1003
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 2: and he's like, what the stock market is up? And

1004
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: you know, I'm doing all these deals and all these

1005
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: CEOs are coming to kissing my ass and telling me

1006
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 2: how great everything is. I don't know what's wrong with

1007
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 2: you people. I think that's what he actually believes. And

1008
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: then when he's sort of cajoled by his aids into

1009
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 2: talking about affordability, he calls it a con job. Or

1010
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: if he's going to acknowledge anything like he did in

1011
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 2: that Clipwood showed, he'll say, oh, well, any problems are

1012
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: Biden's fault, right, People just aren't buying that anymore. And

1013
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: it's two things. Number one, look you're the president, even

1014
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: the president for a year now, we're on your watch

1015
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 2: now at this point. But number two, he has been

1016
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 2: so extraordinarily active himself directly over and beyond, you know,

1017
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: going over the heads of Congress with his tariff policy.

1018
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: He has been so inactively messing with the economy that

1019
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: of course that's going to land in your bucket, not

1020
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: to mention all of the you know, destruction of the

1021
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: federal government, all of those layoffs which do have a

1022
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: significant impact on the economy as well.

1023
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: I think you know the air travel.

1024
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, first of all, as I said, I do agree

1025
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 3: with the secretary, but have you seen his most recent

1026
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 3: gambit where he wants to put pull up bars?

1027
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 2: Are in your suit? Doing pull ups?

1028
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 3: The last thing on Earth you want when you're at

1029
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 3: an airport is more performative anti social behavior. Anybody who

1030
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 3: wants to do air pull up in an airport, you

1031
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 3: are a fucking loser. Okay, Now, can I be honest

1032
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 3: with you?

1033
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: Oh go ahead.

1034
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 2: I actually wished at times when I have like a

1035
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: lot of layer there is a gym at over.

1036
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that's that's not the same thing.

1037
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 2: Okay, So ran the pull up bar that you Yeah,

1038
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 2: but like to have a gym at the airport where

1039
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 2: you can actually work out and take a shower, Like, yes,

1040
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: I actually how many.

1041
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 1: People have that? More along a layover? I mean, who's

1042
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: staying over from? Unless you're flying internationally, you have never

1043
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 1: more than.

1044
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: A two or threeality. I mean sometimes you fly internationally.

1045
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: Right, but then you're going to be international. You're not

1046
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: going to be in America, so it doesn't even apply

1047
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: to us. You're probably gonna be in Europe on your

1048
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: weight somewhere else. Okay, what happened right?

1049
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: Saying there have been times where I've like I have thought,

1050
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 2: like I wish there was a gym here, because then

1051
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: I could you just feel better after you work out

1052
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 2: and get.

1053
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: A shower, as long as the shower.

1054
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: Is trying to like dress up and do some pull

1055
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 2: up else that's what.

1056
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, who's going to do that? I mean,

1057
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: who's actually going to shower? Have you been on airplane?

1058
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: You ever been on a flight to Florida? People don't

1059
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: even wear the odorant.

1060
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 3: Okay, they wear those cut shirts down here with fucking

1061
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 3: flip flops, and you're disgusting smelly toes, all.

1062
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: Right, So yes, he's correct about uh about.

1063
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: Did you did you watch the Tim Dillon bit about Oh,

1064
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 2: it was a good Yeah, I will definitely check it out.

1065
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's bring it back. I have very strong feelings

1066
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: on air travel.

1067
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 3: All of that said that you are correct in that

1068
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 3: when you can't look vacation and air travel, air travel

1069
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 3: actually is a current proxy for or the current US economy.

1070
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 3: Because if you saw this, you would think that air

1071
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 3: travel is very cheap right now.

1072
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: It's actually not. It's very expensive.

1073
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 3: Part of the reason it's very expensive is because the

1074
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 3: top ten percent of Americans are actually flying and vacationing

1075
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 3: more than ever.

1076
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: The luxury resorts and all that are.

1077
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 3: Booming internationally off of the backs of rich Americans, but

1078
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 3: the poorer America. And this is the thing about democratized

1079
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 3: air travel itself, it's supposed to exist for everyone. That's

1080
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 3: actually one of the coolest parts of the United States

1081
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 3: is almost a third of people go on an airplane

1082
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 3: every year, and it's because of vacation to visit family.

1083
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's the purest form of like democratized travel.

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Speaker 3: And to the extent that we defend budget travel, that's

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Speaker 3: why people are always like, oh, spirit airlines and listen.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I wouldn't. I don't want to fly it

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00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 3: or any of that. I hate Southwest, you know, if

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00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 3: I'm ever forced to fly it. But it's good that

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00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 3: it exists because it exists so that someone can go

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Speaker 3: visit their sister on the other side of the country, right,

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Speaker 3: And if you can't do that, you're really robbing people

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Speaker 3: of a lot of ex So two thousandsgiving Thanksgiving was

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Speaker 3: the most amount of people this year on the road

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Speaker 3: since like the year two thousand, right, yeah, and twenty

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Speaker 3: years or something like that, And mostly people can't afford

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Speaker 3: to fly, and people were afford afraid also of the

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Speaker 3: whole government shutdown tsa situation. I just think when you

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Speaker 3: put that all together, when you have to make trade

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Speaker 3: off choices about things that you which look, you know,

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Speaker 3: nobody deserves to be able to go on a European vacation,

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Speaker 3: for example, but somebody deserves to be able to fly

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Speaker 3: to the funeral of a family relative or to visit

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Speaker 3: there's at least in my opinion. In my opinion, I

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Speaker 3: think that's that's part of the foundation of being able

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Speaker 3: to live in this great, big country.

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Speaker 2: So just like I mean, I feel like there used

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Speaker 2: to be a real sort of aspirational celebration of like,

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Speaker 2: you know, the ability for families to take the vacation,

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Speaker 2: and that was understood as part of just like living.

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Speaker 2: You know that you're not just surviving, you're able to

1111
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 2: live this like fulfilling life and complete life. And so yeah,

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Speaker 2: now people are just recently priced out of the possibility

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Speaker 2: of that. Not to mention, if you're actually, i mean,

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Speaker 2: god forbid, you want to go to Disney World, forget

1115
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 2: about it. You better be like have.

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Speaker 1: Saved for years, you know, I've done the match the show.

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00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 3: It is cheaper to go to Japan and to go

1118
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 3: to Tokyo Disney than it is to.

1119
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Speaker 1: Disney World, well to the high price.

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Speaker 3: Like if you want the full fledged experience, you are,

1121
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Speaker 3: it is orders of magnitude cheaper to go to Tokyo Disney,

1122
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Speaker 3: to fly to Tokyo and to go to Tokyo Disney,

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Speaker 3: then it is to go to Florida and to some grand.

1124
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: Florida and there's no little undiscovered cheap beach town. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and everything is multimillion. Anyway, we're getting getting a sidetracked here,

1126
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Speaker 2: But in any case, let's go ahead and take a

1127
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: listen to Kevin Hassett, who was asked by actually, interestingly

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Speaker 2: a number of hosts, but Laura Ingram was kind of

1129
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: pushing him in particular. And remember she did that interview

1130
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 2: with Trump that was kind of tough as well, where

1131
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 2: she was like not really impressed with what he was

1132
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 2: selling her and he says, well, you know these bad

1133
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: numbers that are coming out, maybe the reports are wrong,

1134
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 2: Maybe the reports are off. Maybe that's the real problem here.

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Speaker 2: This is B three take a listen.

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Speaker 16: Layoffs reached one point nine million. That's the highest since

1137
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 16: twenty twenty three. So what is that is that AI

1138
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 16: is that migrants leaving the country, Is that, you know, automation.

1139
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Speaker 17: We still have to get like the government data that

1140
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 17: we lost because of the shutdown. And one of the

1141
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 17: things we're seeing is that payroll surveys where they call

1142
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 17: up firms and say hey, do you have how many

1143
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,439
Speaker 17: people to have working with you, that they're showing much

1144
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 17: lower growth than household surveys where we ask.

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Speaker 4: People do you have a job.

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Speaker 17: And so it could be that what's going on right

1147
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 17: now is that there's a problem with the way the

1148
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 17: surveys work. And I'll be able to talk to you

1149
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 17: in a week or so, would we finally get the

1150
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 17: data we need to assess that incredible?

1151
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 2: So blameing, Oh, maybe the surveys are wrong. Maybe that's

1152
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 2: the real problem here. She also asked him about the

1153
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 2: president's comments that the economy is a plus plus plus plus,

1154
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Speaker 2: which I really think that comment, Soger is going to

1155
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: live in infamy because talk about being out of touch.

1156
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 2: I mean, as much as the Biden administration tried to

1157
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 2: sell the economy as being better than ordinary people are feeling,

1158
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 2: no one there ever said, oh, we give ourselves a

1159
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: beyond perfect score. It's amazing, it's spectacular. And yet that's

1160
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 2: exactly what Trump is trying to sell the American people

1161
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 2: when their experience of it is wildly dramatically divergent from

1162
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 2: that sentiment. So let's take a listen to how Hassett

1163
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Speaker 2: handles that question.

1164
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Speaker 16: President gave the economy an a plus plus plus plus

1165
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 16: plus plus. But you know this, I know this. The

1166
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 16: November Fox News National survey found that seventy six percent

1167
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 16: of voters still view the eco economy negatively, and that's

1168
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 16: up from sixty seven percent who said the same thing

1169
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Speaker 16: in July. So you've watched these trends over the years,

1170
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Speaker 16: You've seen the ups and downs.

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Speaker 2: What explains that in particular.

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Speaker 17: Well, first of all, don't forget that because of Joe Biden,

1173
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Speaker 17: then a typical family buying a typical home would have

1174
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Speaker 17: to spend twelve hundred dollars a month more on their

1175
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Speaker 17: mortgage because of Joe Biden. And you know, groceries went

1176
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Speaker 17: from four hundred dollars for the typical family for a

1177
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Speaker 17: month to five hundred and twenty five dollars. And we're

1178
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Speaker 17: making an enormous amount of progress. People's purchasing power has

1179
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 17: got up by twelve hundred dollars already this year, but

1180
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 17: they're still room to go. And the fact is that

1181
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 17: Joe Biden dug a big hole and we're filling the

1182
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 17: hole really fast.

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Speaker 2: Biden, Biden and Biden, I mean, good luck with that.

1184
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 2: That might fall on Fox News, but not many other places.

1185
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Speaker 1: And Biden tried it too. Biden tried it a year

1186
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: in We covered it.

1187
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 3: Yeah right here, he was like, oh, Donald Trump, Donald

1188
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 3: Trump's economy, we inherited a mess. It's December eleventh, bro,

1189
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Speaker 3: People don't want to hear it. This is exactly when

1190
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 3: it is amazing how quickly stuff. Everything just repeats like

1191
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 3: that Mark Twain quote about history rhyming, like almost exactly

1192
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 3: four years to the day, the Biden administration was doing

1193
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 3: the exact same thing.

1194
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: This is when Bidenomics and all of that was born.

1195
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 3: Right now, when their approval was in the shitter after

1196
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,720
Speaker 3: Afghanistan post October, that's when things slipped.

1197
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,959
Speaker 1: The vibe was totally nuked. Okay, it's like all the ingreden.

1198
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and let's think too about like what was

1199
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Speaker 2: the mental promise of the tariff policy, right, I mean

1200
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Speaker 2: a big part of that was rich. Yeah, it was

1201
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 2: manufacturing jobs. There's going to be you know, companies are

1202
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 2: going to be bringing back jobs, there's going to be

1203
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 2: this incredible manufacturing surge. Instead, we are seeing a dramatic

1204
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,959
Speaker 2: we've now had nine straight months of manufacturing decline. It's

1205
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 2: been you know, a complete reversal of any of the

1206
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 2: games that were made during the Biden administration in terms

1207
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 2: of manufacturing. It's just been completely destructive in that regard.

1208
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 2: So whatever the promise was of the tariffs, you know,

1209
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 2: you could say, okay, well, we didn't completely nuke the

1210
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 2: entire economy, but it certainly hasn't delivered on any of

1211
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: the promises that were made as part of that policy,

1212
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 2: and to the point about you know, whether this is

1213
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 2: even selling on Fox News at this point, it has

1214
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 2: seem polling that, you know, of course, the majority of

1215
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 2: Republicans still support the president, still support his economic approach

1216
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 2: as well, but there is starting to be some significant

1217
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 2: slippage on some of these issues, on healthcare in particular,

1218
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 2: on in on just the sort of focus where he's

1219
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 2: placed his time and his attention. Let me play for

1220
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 2: you an interview with actually a Trump voter talking about

1221
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 2: the struggles that she is having in this economy.

1222
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 18: This is B five, My kids take care went up,

1223
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 18: can't afford the cost of food, using credit cards for

1224
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 18: everyday expenses, no money left after their bills are paid.

1225
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 18: Pretty much just a whole bunch of financial mess.

1226
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 19: We changed presidents at the beginning of the year. He did,

1227
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 19: and the guy who moved into the White House said

1228
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 19: that he was going to fix it. Several times he

1229
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 19: said it would be easy. Absolutely Has he fixed it.

1230
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 19: Absolutely not. I'm definitely waiting for him to fix it.

1231
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 19: Jones is a three time Trump voter, but she says

1232
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 19: he has simply failed to keep his promise to lower

1233
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 19: the cost of living.

1234
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 18: I'm very let down by that, very very letdown, because

1235
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 18: I feel like it's only gotten worse.

1236
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Speaker 2: And like this lady, I don't know, you know, if

1237
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 2: she's going to vote for a Democrat, but is she

1238
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 2: going to like enthusiastically show up to vote for a

1239
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 2: Republican again in the midterm And maybe she is good

1240
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: of a I don't know, but you know, it doesn't

1241
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 2: take a lot of slippage with your own base to

1242
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 2: have a real political problem, and also to have a

1243
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 2: real problem with apathy, where people are like, yeah, you're

1244
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 2: telling me to go vote for these people, Like, my

1245
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 2: life hasn't gotten better. I'm busy that day. Sorry, I'm

1246
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 2: not going to be bothered with it. And that's a

1247
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 2: lot of what they're facing politically, is there is increasingly

1248
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 2: a reckoning that is happening, certainly among independence and among Democrats.

1249
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 2: In fact, the people whose sentiment has shifted the hardest

1250
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 2: against Trump are Latinos, who we have found, you know,

1251
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 2: our key swing block and are very economy sensitive, tend

1252
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 2: to be you know, strong economy voters, and also young

1253
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 2: people who are you know, trying to trying to get

1254
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 2: their foothold in the world, trying to establish themselves, trying

1255
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 2: to imagine a future for themselves potentially, you know, get married,

1256
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 2: have kids, like, imagine that life of themselves. And they're

1257
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 2: just getting hammered and hammered and hammered, and their whole

1258
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 2: future is being sold out to these tech holigarchs too, by.

1259
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Speaker 1: The way, Yeah, it's not good. It is certainly not.

1260
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 3: And look, voters, they're paying attention, convincing them otherwise.

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Speaker 1: It never ever works.