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Speaker 2: Welcomes True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We'll retalk true crime

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Speaker 2: all the time. It is Tuesday, it is October twenty eighth,

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Speaker 2: and we have a stacked night of talkbacks. Thank you

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Speaker 2: guys very much. Your outreach has been amazing. I'm Courtney

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Speaker 2: Armstrong here as always with my buddy body move in

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Speaker 2: Crime Analyst extraordinaire. It's very exciting in the studio in

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Speaker 2: this moment. Adam and Hotbud activity. I know, I kind

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Speaker 2: of like it. Adam and Sam are working in the county.

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Speaker 2: There's tech issues, there's microphone cords. We've got this screwdrivers out. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a little bit of mayhem, but the perfect kind

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Speaker 2: for a talkback Tuesday. All that said, Stephanie will be

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Speaker 2: joining us shortly, but tonight we are going to be

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Speaker 2: listening to all your theories about the alleged suicide of

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Speaker 2: twenty seven year old Philadelphia teacher Ellen Greenberg. We also

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Speaker 2: are going to be discussing how the Internet has become

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Speaker 2: such a hotbed of criminal activity, and you guys have

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Speaker 2: been also sharing your tips on how you are protecting

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Speaker 2: your kids. Keep those coming, by the way, keep those corumming. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and later, anyone who listened last night knows that Taha

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Speaker 2: told a really spooky story. And later tonight we're going

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Speaker 2: to be discussing the infamous poy box killer David Parker

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Speaker 2: Ray for now actually or totally tring, We're going to

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Speaker 2: go right into our first.

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Speaker 3: Talk back all thatcha.

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Speaker 4: This is from Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: I just heard you talk out the.

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Speaker 5: Uh be good or be good at it?

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Speaker 6: And Eminem, So that's actually from an Eminem and Little

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Speaker 6: Wayne Nong, which is a version of the hat away

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Speaker 6: every least nineties a song what is Love? I love

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Speaker 6: that song and I love your show.

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Speaker 2: Bye she does?

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Speaker 7: I love listen. I want to be a chica like.

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Speaker 3: Whenever I hear that, it makes me.

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Speaker 7: We have another caller that says that, and I love

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Speaker 7: every time she calls because she's always like, hey chicas,

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Speaker 7: and she just did it too.

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Speaker 2: I love it right, It's cute.

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Speaker 7: I did you did you know? That was from Eminem song?

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Speaker 2: I had no idea but in this so in this

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Speaker 2: one second. I just did a quick Google, as it were,

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Speaker 2: and you are one hundred percent white, one hundred percent right.

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Speaker 2: It's a song from twenty ten. So I'm I'm happy

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Speaker 2: to be on the same page with Eminem. I suppose yeah, I.

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Speaker 7: Lit Wayne too.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you can't go there.

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Speaker 7: I can't go wrong with a little Wayne and Emin

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Speaker 7: m thank you so much for that talk back. We

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Speaker 7: definitely appreciate Chica and Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I love Atlanta. Oh my god, I just.

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Speaker 7: Went there, did you.

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my family's down there and I always eat too

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Speaker 3: much when I'm there. But is that where you're from?

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Speaker 3: Actually originally from New York, but then the family, a

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Speaker 7: But it's become like the New York of the south, right,

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Speaker 7: like it's kind of the place to be Lanta.

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Speaker 3: I think their traffic might be worse than La.

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Speaker 2: It's it's okay bad their trap I will say this.

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Speaker 2: Their traffic is pretty bad. And I lived there for

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Speaker 2: six months, which is not forever, but a long enough time.

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Speaker 2: The traffic is not good. It still does not touch

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles. But yeah, I did find my love for

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Speaker 7: Oh my god, I love pimento cheese on a good cracker.

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Speaker 7: Yea, even like the craft like the like the cheap

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Speaker 7: Anywhere where I am. I was craving it like three

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Speaker 7: I used to buy it all the time. My mom

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, if you know where to widely find pamenta,

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Speaker 2: she just give us a call. We're at eighty eight

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Speaker 8: I have two thoughts about Ellen Greenberg. One, it's just

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Speaker 8: a clarification from this Sunday Night episode saying that the

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Speaker 8: for anybody who is looking for it. Additionally, I thought

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Speaker 8: reported on Ellen Greenberg that she was going to move

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, so she Josh Greenberg, who's Ellen's father,

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Speaker 7: did report to the Pennsylvania newspaper that Ellen had all

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Speaker 7: of a sudden become quote unquote very anxious and said

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Speaker 7: least that as far as I know, like move in

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Speaker 7: with her parents. But they lived in Harrisburg, and it's

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Speaker 7: she had wanted to go she wanted to move back home.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if that means in with her parents

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Speaker 7: had become very anxious. It was suggested that she go

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Speaker 7: talk to somebody, and she did, and she got better

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Speaker 3: Of those one of those anxiety.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and it apparently supposedly very much helped. But yeah,

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Speaker 7: Josh Greenberg did say that she had mentioned that she

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Speaker 7: I don't know if she was talking to Sam about this,

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Speaker 7: you know, I personally don't know. I don't know if

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Speaker 7: she was like pressuring him, like, hey, let's move to

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Speaker 3: Right, or if she was suggesting to move away from

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Speaker 7: Maybe, I mean possibly, but that nothing like that that

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Speaker 3: No. Yeah, again, it's another mystery that adds to the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of hazy layers in this one.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, and I think all of the potentials

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Speaker 2: reasonable potentials. And thank you for clarifying that it is

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Speaker 2: Hulu for anyone who wants to see it. Shall we

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Speaker 2: get another top bet?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do.

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Speaker 5: It, Hi, guys, it's cricket in Connecticut, pulling about Ellen Greenberg,

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Speaker 5: and I'm trying to figure out what the benefit where

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Speaker 5: endgame would be for the medical examiner or the corner

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Speaker 5: or the police department to rule it as a suicide

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Speaker 5: rather than a homicide, even though it seems pretty ludicrous

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Speaker 2: Somebody could stab themselves in the.

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Speaker 9: Back, in the back of the head and all of that.

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Speaker 10: I don't understand.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you and me both. So yeah, there's a couple

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Speaker 7: of different benefits, right guys. Like one would be and

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Speaker 7: it's I don't think this is it. But crime statistics, right,

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Speaker 7: murders in a neighborhood are never good for anyone, right,

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Speaker 7: your property values, the crime statistics. You know, the DA

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Speaker 7: The mayor sucks. You know. Crime statistics are one thing.

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Speaker 7: But I don't think that's that's at play here. Another

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Speaker 7: Mistake, right they they they made a mistake. They first

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Speaker 7: initially ruled it, you know, a suicide, and then they

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Speaker 7: cleaned up. They cleaned up, And I think that's the

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Speaker 7: big part, don't you think Courtney like it's because they

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Speaker 7: they're like, okay, this is a homicide and this is

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Speaker 7: well now it's a homicide. But guess what, it's too late.

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Speaker 7: They cleaned up, so there's.

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Speaker 2: No crime scene for anyone to inspect.

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Speaker 7: And these are just right, and these aren't just you know,

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Speaker 7: like you know, the Annie's maids. These are crime scene cleanups.

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Speaker 7: There's they're very professional in what they do and so

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Speaker 7: there's no crime scene not to investigate. So what's the benefit.

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Speaker 7: The benefit is they get to cover their mistakes. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: I think that would be the number one thing. And

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Speaker 7: if I can't imagine how her parents must feel, but

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Speaker 7: If the city of Philadelphia just said, hey, we messed

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think I would respect them more than trying

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Speaker 7: But that's going to cost a lot of money, because

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Speaker 7: now they're going to be in civil suits for.

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Speaker 3: All of that.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, they'd be sued for libel for doing that.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, understandably, you brought up something that I didn't

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Speaker 3: specific teams of crime scene cleanups. Like, I guess it's

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Speaker 3: But I'm like, I didn't even think about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that usually cooked.

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Speaker 7: The city doesn't pay for that.

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Speaker 3: Oh interesting, did I didn't know that either?

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Speaker 7: Like if if say, you, you and I are roommates

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Speaker 7: to hu, right, we're living together, and I something happens

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Speaker 7: to me. If you want to stay living there, you

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Speaker 7: have to you have to pay to get a cleaned up.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's interesting. I didn't even know that. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think luckily I've not been in any situations where

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Speaker 2: So Sunshine Cleaning, I don't know if you guys remember

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Speaker 2: that movie. It was Amy Adams, Emily Blunt and Alan Arkin,

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Speaker 2: and that was about starting a biohazard cleanup business.

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Speaker 7: Oh really, I never seen I have to look at that.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, it's a business. It's a yeah, it's a

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Speaker 7: very booming business.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 7: I know.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is true Crime. Tonight. We're on iHeartRadio. It

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Speaker 2: is talk Back Tuesday, and we are knee deep in

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Speaker 2: Ellen Greenberg talkbacks. We want to hear from you. Give

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Speaker 2: us a call. We are open to any and all topics.

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Speaker 2: Eighty eight through one crime and let's hit another talk back.

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Speaker 10: Hi, friends, my name is Franny and I'm calling from

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Speaker 10: just outside of Philadelphia. I'm calling her a comment about

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Speaker 10: the Ellen Greenberg too. I live about ten minutes from

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Speaker 10: where she was killed, and I remember when it happened

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Speaker 7: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio, where we

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Speaker 7: be ranging wrangling in Taha, Sam and Adam, and later

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Speaker 7: the infamous toy box killer David Parker Ray and you're

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Speaker 3: Hit us up Hi team.

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Speaker 9: This is Alicia from at Lenna again. I have a suggestion.

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Speaker 9: You guys talked about unpacking and packing suitcases on my body.

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Speaker 9: I have to pack my out of my suitcase. There's

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Speaker 9: no way I'm living out of.

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Speaker 3: Them, right.

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Speaker 9: But here's a's it on a recent crew, I used

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Speaker 9: compression bags and put those in being drawers. No, that's

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Speaker 7: I love those person bags, But how do you get

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Speaker 2: Well? I have what I have this I guess contraption

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Speaker 2: and it was actually from Stephanie. Okay, backing up, we

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Speaker 2: that and Stephanie got me the most killer suitcase and

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Speaker 2: in it it has it's like compression bags, but even better.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like picture what you would put your shoes

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Speaker 2: and I just hang that in the hotel. Okay, but

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Speaker 2: that's wonderful.

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Speaker 7: But we're talking about unpacking your suitcase and drawers and

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Speaker 7: stuff like in compression bags, that this is something you

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Speaker 7: hang up in your closet that you that you're talking about, right, Well.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but it's all it's for travel. It goes. The

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Speaker 7: The interest the issue the issue is, and I think

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Speaker 7: apparently that's a bad no, no, Like there's all kinds

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Speaker 3: Right, so you can almost put the whole compression bag

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Speaker 7: And now I just don't know how I would love

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Speaker 7: let's talk back. I would love for you to go

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Speaker 7: back on this snow how you recompress it to put

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's a great question. Yeahs travel tips, I love it.

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Speaker 7: There must be like a little portable kind of situation

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Speaker 3: Think, Yeah, I feel like I've seen something like that,

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Speaker 7: I love the travel tips because I love me to travel.

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Speaker 12: Hey guys, my name is Brittany and I live in

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Speaker 2: So that is really heartbreaking.

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Speaker 4: When when your mom's doing.

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Speaker 7: It, I think she's called before, I think she's and

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Speaker 2: So when she had called before and what valiant work

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Speaker 2: you do, so keep doing it and thank you Brittany

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Speaker 2: for all that you do. Yeah, if I call last time,

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Speaker 2: it was she was commenting because Belle shook from equine guidance.

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Speaker 2: very interesting what Brittany. I'm glad she called back because

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Speaker 7: That's I didn't I would I did never guess that.

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Speaker 2: You know. I'm wondering if with these stalking it almost

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Speaker 2: I think Joseph Scott Morgan and a few other experts

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Speaker 7: I bet you there is.

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Speaker 3: I bet you.

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Speaker 2: Just like it's slow torture physically or mentally and emotionally.

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Speaker 7: Hands off, right, it's very hands off and you get

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Speaker 7: to watch it happen, which is also interesting psychology wise.

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Speaker 2: That's good.

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Speaker 7: That's a good observation. I think, Courtney, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 7: Well, I don't like that, but I I like the.

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Speaker 2: Like the stalking keeping coming from the Philippines. Bridge fighting,

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Speaker 10: Yeah, good morning.

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Speaker 13: This is Lee from Ontario, Canada. I'm pitching up on

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Speaker 14: Fire and I just wanted to chime in.

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Speaker 7: So it is.

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Speaker 10: It is a program.

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Speaker 13: We don't allow our kids to play. We have three

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Speaker 13: kids to love to gain and what I've always said

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Speaker 13: to them is to throw Mommy.

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Speaker 3: Under the bus.

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Speaker 13: I'm the mean mom. I restrict their gaming time and

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Speaker 13: But yeah, I've always said, hey, just tell your friends

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Speaker 15: And I won't let you do it.

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Speaker 13: Thanks so much, really enjoying the show.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, advice, I'm the same way. I think I would

442
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Speaker 7: be the mean but again, I don't have kids. It's

443
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Speaker 7: so easy easy for me to sit back and say,

444
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Speaker 7: it's a lot harder for somebody like Courtney. You know

445
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Speaker 7: who is a mom, right, what do you do in

446
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Speaker 7: that situation?

447
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Speaker 3: Courtney?

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Speaker 2: It's complicated. I have to say, the mean mom really

449
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 2: resonates because my mother, for me, she did that, and

450
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Speaker 2: it is a great sort of I could blame anything

451
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Speaker 2: I couldn't do on my mother, and I also do

452
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Speaker 2: pull that and I'm like, listen, whatever the situation is,

453
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Speaker 2: it's on me and I'm the hard one. So then

454
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Speaker 2: you don't have to It makes less complicated.

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Speaker 7: But I think the argument that I always get back

456
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Speaker 7: when I'm like, I would never let my kids play

457
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Speaker 7: rollblocks because I wouldn't. But the argument I always hear back,

458
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Speaker 7: and it's totally valid, is that my kid is going

459
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Speaker 7: to be ostracized from his friendly Yeah, And I mean

460
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Speaker 7: that is one hundred percent valid feedback, right, I think,

461
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Speaker 7: because I don't know, nobody wants kids to sit on the.

462
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Speaker 3: Sidelines, right, right, So how do you handle.

463
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Speaker 7: That, because I think that's the big hold up is

464
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Speaker 7: that you know, all the kids are playing it. So

465
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Speaker 7: my little Jimmy, my little six year old Jimmy, is

466
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Speaker 7: the only one in his class that's not allowed to play,

467
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Speaker 7: and now all his friends he's getting bullied because now

468
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Speaker 7: he's like the reject in the classroom.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: I mean other people have said and experts as well.

471
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Speaker 2: If you can almost have a little pod, but this

472
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Speaker 2: sort of needs to start really young and a group

473
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Speaker 2: agreement of whether it's this friend group won't have access

474
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Speaker 2: to exa game or we will not we like vow

475
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Speaker 2: to each other to not get phones until ex A

476
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Speaker 2: time because it does get really complicated. But that's unless

477
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Speaker 2: everyone is sort of in on it.

478
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Speaker 7: So everybody, every parent needs to be on the same page,

479
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Speaker 7: like in Jimmy's little classroom, or they're a little bit drunk.

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Speaker 3: And I bet that's where the challenge happens. Even though

481
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Speaker 3: let's say there's four people in that little pod, but

482
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Speaker 3: then the other students in the class have it, so

483
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Speaker 3: then they start to want to do what you're doing.

484
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Speaker 3: So I mean, I can imagine it's it's it would

485
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Speaker 3: be a challenge, like I can't say no to a

486
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Speaker 3: little sad face of a child like I want to

487
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Speaker 3: phone type. I probably can't give in really quickly. So

488
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Speaker 3: you are the mean mom.

489
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Speaker 2: You could, I really would be.

490
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Speaker 7: I'd be the worst, I see, the mean mom.

491
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Speaker 3: I'd be just the pushover dad, like okay, but but

492
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Speaker 3: safety has to happen first. So it's it's it's the

493
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Speaker 3: key thing.

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Speaker 7: Hate me all you want, but you're going to be safe, right. Yeah,

495
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Speaker 7: that's kind of like how I feel. And I was

496
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Speaker 7: that way with my nieces. Oh my god, I was

497
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Speaker 7: so bad with them with their electronics. Yeah, I would

498
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Speaker 7: take I would take it away from them all the time,

499
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Speaker 7: like nope, taking the iPad, taking this, taking that you

500
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Speaker 7: can get because I paid for them, get them anymore

501
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Speaker 7: if you got in trouble. I took them for like

502
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Speaker 7: a week. Yeah, but it's it's easy. I got to

503
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Speaker 7: take them and leave, you know, right, your mom and

504
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Speaker 7: I got to sit there and deal with it. I

505
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Speaker 7: just got to leave.

506
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Speaker 2: So I was.

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Speaker 3: You know, I have one relative, like she has a

508
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Speaker 3: fourteen year old and she her or the way she

509
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 3: handles it. She's a major communicator. They talk about everything

510
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 3: almost too much, like they're just so open about everything.

511
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Speaker 3: So she said, that's been my method, Like he tells

512
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Speaker 3: me literally everything. We have such an open dialogue, so

513
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Speaker 3: maybe part of the part of it's communicating. But again

514
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Speaker 3: as a non parent, it's so much easier said than done.

515
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Speaker 3: But you know there's something to be said.

516
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Speaker 2: But even what you said, a lot of and this

517
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Speaker 2: is experts, both for this show and for another project.

518
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Speaker 2: I've been listening to a lot of experts and interviews

519
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 2: and stuff, and it is communication and not just warning.

520
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: It's not just the Internet. It's your kid and what

521
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Speaker 2: their piece of it is sort of and how that works.

522
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Speaker 2: So the open lines of communication and warning of what

523
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Speaker 2: is out there, not what can be, what is out

524
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Speaker 2: there and keeping those lines open is important.

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Speaker 3: Sure, I think.

526
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Speaker 7: So this is true Crime Tonight and I Heart Rao

527
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Speaker 7: talking to crime all the time. I'm body and I'm

528
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Speaker 7: here with Haha and Courtney and we're in the middle

529
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Speaker 7: of Talkback Tuesday. If you want to leave one, download

530
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Speaker 7: the iHeartRadio app and hit the little microphone, leave us

531
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Speaker 7: a talkback and boom, You're going to be on the show.

532
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Speaker 7: What do we have next? What talkback we got?

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Speaker 16: Hey, this is Lisa calling from Pittsburgh. In regard to

534
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Speaker 16: the security on children's phones, in my experience, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly,

535
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Speaker 16: the androids allow more parental controls and restrictions and it's

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Speaker 16: easier to monitor in my experience, in my opinion, than

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Speaker 16: an Apple iPhone.

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Speaker 7: I would agree. I have both an iPhone. I have

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Speaker 7: both a headphone and a Samsung Galaxy. I was an

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Speaker 7: Android user for years. Like I was like, I don't

541
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Speaker 7: want an iPhone, No way am I getting an iPhone

542
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Speaker 7: because with an Android, you know, as somebody that's in

543
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Speaker 7: the computer biz, you have a lot more control over

544
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Speaker 7: an Android, and I didn't want to give that up.

545
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Speaker 7: And you can because you can root them. There's a

546
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Speaker 7: lot more things you can do technically with them. And

547
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Speaker 7: because of that, inherently it has more security. It has

548
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Speaker 7: more robust programs that would assist parents in the parental controls,

549
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Speaker 7: and they're harder for kids to figure out because not

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Speaker 7: every kid has one.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's an interesting one.

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Speaker 7: Kids have iPhones, right, right, have iPhones, and so all

553
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Speaker 7: the kids know how to get around stuff with androids,

554
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Speaker 7: they don't know they they don't really know how to

555
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Speaker 7: get around it. As well as my phone, and it's

556
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Speaker 7: easier to lock down, and like I said, you can

557
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Speaker 7: root them and install anything you want. And I do

558
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Speaker 7: think I do think that they are probably twenty thirty

559
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Speaker 7: percent more secure than an iPhone.

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Speaker 3: Okay, did you shift over to iPhone?

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Speaker 7: I use my I use my Android for work only,

562
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Speaker 7: and then my iPhone for all my personal stuff.

563
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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, because I only asked that because I have

564
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Speaker 3: two sort of techie friends that I feel are in

565
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Speaker 3: your world. And they also were big advocates forever. Oh Android, Android, Android,

566
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Speaker 3: You're always like, I only want to Android. But then

567
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Speaker 3: lately I've noticed they've had they have shifted, like, okay,

568
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Speaker 3: they sort of gave into.

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Speaker 7: The as you know, I find as you get older.

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Speaker 7: You know, I'm fifty now, so as I get older,

571
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Speaker 7: I've kind of like given up the idea of staying

572
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Speaker 7: totally in tune with everything that's happening in the technical world.

573
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Speaker 7: You know, I'm kind of letting go a little bit,

574
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Speaker 7: like it's time for the next generation, you know. And

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Speaker 7: so and so I got the iPhone just because all

576
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Speaker 7: my friends do and whatnot, and I want to fit

577
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Speaker 7: into their ecosystem. And I was the only one that wasn't.

578
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Speaker 7: And so because I was so resistant, I'm never going

579
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Speaker 7: to get an iPhone? What are you talking about?

580
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Speaker 16: Right?

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Speaker 7: And so finally I did. Now I'm in their ecosystem

582
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Speaker 7: and everything's fine. But at work I still use the Android.

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Speaker 17: Okay, Right, how are these kids getting around the parental controls?

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Speaker 14: Is it?

585
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Speaker 18: Like?

586
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Speaker 17: Are they downloading app or are they you know? It's like,

587
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Speaker 17: I feel like it would be good for parents to

588
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Speaker 17: like learn the loophole, you know. Just I wonder if

589
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Speaker 17: there's a way to counteract that, if we just know

590
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Speaker 17: how they're getting around these good clastion.

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Speaker 7: I don't have, so I don't know what they're doing.

592
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Speaker 7: I just think they're figuring.

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Speaker 2: It out well. Even when Katie the Expert, the Internet

594
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Speaker 2: Expert Extraordinaire, was on, I remember her saying, for any

595
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Speaker 2: and every parental control there is, there's an adorable twelve

596
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Speaker 2: year old giving a little video tutorial on how to

597
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Speaker 2: get around whatever it is. So from that, Adam, I'm

598
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Speaker 2: going to guess there's not.

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Speaker 3: You know, one one thing, right, Sure, there's many sort

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Speaker 3: of multitudes, right, yeah, And.

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Speaker 7: I feel like maybe maybe we can look at the

602
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Speaker 7: most common ones and like doing a segment about it.

603
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Speaker 7: That might be a good idea like these are them

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Speaker 7: in ways that kids are getting around these printal controls,

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Speaker 7: and maybe we can just kind of tell everybody what

606
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Speaker 7: those are. It would be a good thing. You're right,

607
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 7: that's a good idea.

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Speaker 3: It's a very good katieback and Doogle. We so we

609
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Speaker 3: love kating.

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Speaker 2: She was on with her cozy cozy sweater.

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Speaker 7: If she wasn't getting on the plane, she would have

612
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Speaker 7: gotten on in front of a fire with a glass

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Speaker 7: of wine. It would have been a thing. And I'm

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Speaker 7: here for a body.

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Speaker 2: You had something about Ellen Greenberg, which we've had so

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Speaker 2: many talkbacks about.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I kind of wanted to open up this discussion

618
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Speaker 7: and I want to know how you guys feel about this.

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Speaker 7: After Ellen passed away, and again her and Sam were

620
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Speaker 7: to be married later in the year, they were not married, right,

621
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Speaker 7: Sam and Ellen Greenberg? Sam Goldman and Ellen Greenberg were

622
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Speaker 7: not married. After she passed her, his uncle went into

623
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Speaker 7: the house and hook like her electronics and you know,

624
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Speaker 7: things that belonged to Ellen. And I find that incredulous.

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Speaker 7: I find that like just insane. First of all, he

626
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Speaker 7: did not own items. He's not a relative, he's not

627
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Speaker 7: They weren't married. It's not like, oh, it's family because

628
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Speaker 7: they weren't married, right, they took laptops, phones, credit cards.

629
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Speaker 7: I just find that crazy. And you know, it's controversial because,

630
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Speaker 7: you know, Ellen's family argues that his uncle's removal of

631
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Speaker 7: those items broke chain of custody, which is like really

632
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Speaker 7: critical to preserving evidence in this death investigation, right her,

633
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Speaker 7: especially her computer and whatnot. The fact that the apartment

634
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Speaker 7: was cleaned before a proper forensic crime scene team had

635
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Speaker 7: secured everything is also, you know, a really massive problem

636
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Speaker 7: in this investigative, like nightmare that Philadelphia has. I don't know,

637
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Speaker 7: I just kind of wanted to talk about that I

638
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 7: found I just found it crazy that you know, and listen,

639
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Speaker 7: if you look into his background, it's not great. Oh really,

640
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Speaker 7: I don't know what the details.

641
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Speaker 2: I don't because I'm also as incredulous as you about

642
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: him taking Like what what rationale?

643
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Speaker 3: What was it? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Possibly have, but what what's the background? Body?

645
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Speaker 7: I think people should just do some research.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

647
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Speaker 3: I like that. I will do my digging.

648
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Speaker 7: I'm going to stay my hands are going to stay clean.

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Speaker 3: Okay. But from a legal standpoint, I didn't think that

650
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Speaker 3: if you're not married, I didn't think you could take

651
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 3: those items out just because they're in a relationship. Is that.

652
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Speaker 3: I don't know how that works. I've never been in

653
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Speaker 3: a situation where, you know, but I assumed the first

654
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Speaker 3: of pen would be the only person that had access

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Speaker 3: to take those items out. Like but you know, I

656
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Speaker 3: know there was a lot of confusion that evening someone

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Speaker 3: had died, and all those things are part of it.

658
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 7: But nobody should have taken anything out of the house,

659
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 7: even her parents, right, nobody should have taken anything out

660
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 7: of the home. Now, it was ruled a suicide, so

661
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 7: case closed. Right, anything didnt go right, He's not a relative,

662
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 7: he's not he doesn't own those things. His kin did

663
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 7: not own those things, right, Ellen did, right, And so

664
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 7: it's just very it's very sus to me. And who knows,

665
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 7: Like somebody could take that out and forensically wipe things.

666
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 7: We know Brian Coberger was very successful and forensically wiping

667
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 7: things off his computer.

668
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: Hmmm, Right, do you think they could ever go back

669
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 3: and look at that laptop and maybe there's a war

670
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 3: where you can see what was wiped?

671
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 18: Sure?

672
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 7: Absolutely, And I don't know if that's been done or not.

673
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 7: You know, it's just a suicide. Who's going to be

674
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 7: doing that? Right, there's not the investigation. There's no investigation, yeah, right, which.

675
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 2: Is why the cause of death is so important because

676
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: it can trigger or disable any investigation.

677
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 3: Right.

678
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 7: So I just wanted to find I just wanted to

679
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 7: finish up my thoughts because we you know, were kind

680
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 7: of answering the last talkback, which by the way, was

681
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 7: fantastic in segment one, and I just wanted to finish

682
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 7: up that with the uncle. I just thought that was

683
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 7: really poor, uh poor, the whole thing from from nutstabolts.

684
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: This investigation has been poor.

685
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 7: The city of brotherly love, right Yeah, yeah, anyway, so

686
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 7: let's go to another talk back High Team.

687
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 19: This is Alicia from Atlanta. I do have a thought

688
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 19: in regards to the singer, David, I find the authorities.

689
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 19: You need to let the public know. As a social worker,

690
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 19: it kind of stresses me out that there might be

691
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 19: someone out there as a perpetrator who may be a

692
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 19: danger to other little girls. This family needs to know

693
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 19: what happened to their child. Thank you have a great one, guy.

694
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.

695
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 7: There's a killer on the loose right potentially right there,

696
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 7: or somebody at least that is okay with abuse of

697
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 7: a corpse, right, it was just still a crime. It

698
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 7: was still a crime, and a.

699
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: Dark crime at that. And this actually goes right back

700
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: to Ellen Greenberg and the fact that it is still

701
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: there is no cause of death. It has been deferred,

702
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: I think, is the official cause still in the case

703
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: of Seles Revs.

704
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 7: And I feel a little bit like I feel, I

705
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 7: mean just a tiny little bit so right now that

706
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 7: it's kind of getting swept under the rug a little bit. Really,

707
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 7: I do you know, they haven't said anything like, hey,

708
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 7: you know, we're waiting for to nothing. We haven't heard

709
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 7: anything from LAPD.

710
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 3: Nothing.

711
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 7: They led it in that one statement and they were like,

712
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 7: we're looking into things. Nothing since absolutely nothing. Wow, it's

713
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 7: crazy to me.

714
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: And are we going back? Was it September eighth? Is

715
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: that about the date.

716
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 7: That's today that her body was found? It was told

717
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 7: on the fifth of September of September.

718
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's I mean looking.

719
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 7: At months almost two months, and I mean talks can

720
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 7: take eight weeks or so, so I mean we're right

721
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 7: around that time, and I think maybe I might just

722
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 7: be getting impatient. And you know, I'm okay admitting that understandably,

723
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 7: So I mean nothing from LAPD. Nothing and a lot

724
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 7: of not a lot, I would say, a nice handful

725
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 7: of people are getting very suss of this, like is

726
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 7: this like a celebrity scandal being you know, swept under

727
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 7: the rug by? You know LAPD, who, by the way,

728
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 7: is notorious for doing this kind of thing, so you know, yeah, like, see,

729
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 7: we think.

730
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 3: That because it's a celebrity involved, there's there are more

731
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 3: eyes on it, so you want to show, like, look

732
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 3: how we're top.

733
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 7: Of it now there is, but you know back in

734
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 7: the heyday, you know, there wasn't. So people are getting

735
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 7: people are getting frustrated, and people too are talk back Alicia. Yeah,

736
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 7: people are getting up worried, like there's a killer on

737
00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 7: the loose in LA. What's going on?

738
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 15: Really?

739
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 7: Kids safe? This is forte She was fourteen. People forget this.

740
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 7: He was fourteen. She was a little girl and her

741
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 7: body was found in the trunk of a singer's car

742
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 7: and nobody has said anything.

743
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 3: Wow, well, we're not going to stop. We're going to

744
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 3: keep on top of the side.

745
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 11: And I think there was a detective person someone that

746
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 11: was involved his home.

747
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 3: The person David Oh Steve.

748
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 7: Fisher, the Pi. The landlord hired Steve Fisher. He is

749
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 7: a missing person's investigator, and by the way, he is

750
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 7: doing a really good job on this. In fact, he

751
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 7: tweeted about it yesterday. Oh he's kind of kind of

752
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 7: throwing a little shade at the family a little bit.

753
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 7: Oh okay, really, what's the thing?

754
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 20: Do you remember there is a photo that he dug

755
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 20: up of Celeste with her cousin at a graduation high

756
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 20: school graduation during the time she was reported missing.

757
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 7: Really, and he's like, listen, what was she missing or not?

758
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 7: And if she was if she was missing and you

759
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 7: knew where she was, what's the situation? Oh? You know,

760
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 7: like what's going on here? And the reason you know,

761
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 7: the reason that you know he's kind of asking the

762
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 7: cousin this kind of stuff. You know, she's only eighteen

763
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 7: years old, Okay, so she's but she's an adult. Is

764
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 7: because she's the one who set up to go fund

765
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 7: me and is raising all this money and you know,

766
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 7: so there's a lot going on, okay, And he's just like, listen,

767
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 7: what is the situation? Was she missing or was she not?

768
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 7: And or if you know, if she was missing, did

769
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 7: you know where she was? Did you know who she

770
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 7: was with. Did you know he was twenty years old?

771
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: That kind of thing, right, you know? Or and or

772
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 2: was it a nebulous situation where yeah, she was she

773
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 2: was reported missing because she was and perhaps would pop

774
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: in and out right for a graduation but then disappear.

775
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: So god, you know, there may be many shades of

776
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: there might be gray, black, purple involved in this, right,

777
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: but we will definitely keep you updated as soon as

778
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: there is information because body, to your point, it has

779
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 2: been quiet from the labed very is the word. Yeah,

780
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 2: let's go to another talk back. A.

781
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 4: Hi, this is Julie. I am fascinated by the heist

782
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 4: at the Louver and wondered if you had ever heard

783
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 4: about the heist at the Isabel Gardner Museum in Boston.

784
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 4: It happened in nineteen ninety two. Thieves were posing as

785
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 4: police officers in the middle of the night and they

786
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 4: were admitted and ended up stealing thirteen pieces of artwork.

787
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 4: Tim and Land from crawl Space did an amazing podcast

788
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 4: called empty Frames. Those pieces of artwork have never been

789
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 4: found and they were from famous artists.

790
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 7: Okay, first of all, the podcast name crawl Space terrifies me.

791
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 7: That is a fabulous name though for a podcast crawl space.

792
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 7: I love that.

793
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 3: I do like that. I have not heard of this before,

794
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: had that. I just did a quick search. I'm seeing something.

795
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 3: It looks like. In the early hours of March eighth

796
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 3: March eighteenth, nineteen ninety two, men in police uniforms rang

797
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: the museum's doorbell, claimed to be responding to a disturbance.

798
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 3: They were admitted. The on duty guard allowed the men.

799
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 3: They overpowered the staff and then spent eighty one minutes

800
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 3: stealing art. They stole thirteen works of art with a

801
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 3: current estimate value of five hundred million. Wow.

802
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 7: What what famous? What famous pieces were miss stalling?

803
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 2: You know?

804
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 3: The concert by Johannes Wehermer forgive me no know some

805
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 3: of the artists christ in the Storm of the Sea,

806
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 3: by of Galilee by rembrandt oh Okaandt. And several works

807
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 3: of Edgar Degas. I should know this artist, you guys know.

808
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 3: Plus a bronze something bronze and it sounds it says

809
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: more so. Yeah, wow, but a rem brand alone. But

810
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 3: five hundred million, that's.

811
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: That's a billion dollars. By the way, body, I love you.

812
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: I heard empty frames as the podcast title, which I

813
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: think was it empty Frames.

814
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 7: I thought that was the title of the podcast. The

815
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 7: name of the podcast is crawl Space. The name of

816
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 7: the episode is empty frames.

817
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 3: Is what I heard. Ah, two separate podcasts named.

818
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, but crawl Spaces.

819
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 7: Okay, securus, see, can we really quick? I am terrified

820
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 7: of small spaces, like I even get a little claustrophobic

821
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 7: in elevators, like I cannot stand them. Have you guys

822
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 7: ever seen the froggers? These people they live, they get

823
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 7: in your home. I'm not even getting the guys, we

824
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 7: have got to talk about this, not the video game Sam.

825
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 3: No nose people.

826
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 7: It's called frogging, I think. And they get in your

827
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 7: house when you're not there. They live in your attic.

828
00:42:58,640 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 7: They live in your attic.

829
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 3: I'm yeah, I've seen horror movies about it. But there

830
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 3: was one person that had a hidden camera. I think

831
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 3: they kept saying, like, where is all my sandwiches are missing?

832
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 3: Like she would go disappear at night, So they set

833
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 3: up a camera only to see and you know, those

834
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 3: dark nightces make it look even creepier. So you see

835
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: the glowy lights and a person like climbs out of

836
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 3: the fall space in the middle of the night, Shimmy's down.

837
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: You see them standing there, eating, walking around, looking at

838
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: the mail, crawls back up and lives there. I'm like,

839
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 3: this is crazy.

840
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 7: It is seen literally terrifying, like because people are living

841
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 7: like this. Courtney Courtney has looking at me like the

842
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 7: devil incarnate right now.

843
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: It's the scariest thing I've ever heard or never. I

844
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: didn't know this existed.

845
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 7: When we go to the break, I'm gonna look it up.

846
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 7: I think it's on Hulu. I watched two episodes and

847
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 7: I had stop watching because I literally could live in

848
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 7: a world and never know about this and it's totally fine.

849
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: I was so much happier thirty five seconds ago. I

850
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: literally have the itches, like every I'm scratching myself might

851
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 2: be my skin crawling, and I'm looking And then.

852
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 7: They go, so they the guys living in the house,

853
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 7: they go, they get them out, they go up there

854
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 7: and there's like a sleeping bag, a little heater, a

855
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 7: little cool a little bucket where they're going to the

856
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 7: back like they're living up there.

857
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 3: Wow.

858
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: Also even when the most innocuous thing, but it really

859
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 2: struck me of like, where's my sandwiches going. How crazy

860
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 2: making would that be? If you're like, I know, I

861
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 2: put two bananas here and now there's one and then.

862
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 7: You get in a fight with your husband.

863
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 3: That's what you're cheating on the diet. No, I'm not,

864
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 3: I swear.

865
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 2: Imagine imagine, Oh, and they come out this, they come

866
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: out while.

867
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, because they leave and they go to work and

868
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 7: they and then they come back and like it's a thing.

869
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 7: They literally live like this. I'm look it up. It's crazy.

870
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 7: It's going to be I must not.

871
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: They must choose houses without pets. I'd have to imagine.

872
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to make myself feel better again with

873
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: three little dogs.

874
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 7: You know what, You're probably right, You and I are

875
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Speaker 7: probably safe. This is why Stephanie needs a dog.

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Speaker 2: This is me too.

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Speaker 3: I don't have a dog either. I live alone, so I'm.

878
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Speaker 8: Alone.

879
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 3: I thought so, but now someone's living rent free rent.

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00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 7: You've seen this documentary, Give me a call because I

881
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 7: want to talk about this because I was so scared.

882
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 7: I was because I live alone too. I was like,

883
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Speaker 7: oh my god, somebody's in my attic and I'm afraid

884
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 7: and I'm a I'm definitely afraid of small spaces, so like,

885
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Speaker 7: I'm thinking about this person like living in my attic

886
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 7: and in the small space and it's double scaring me. Yeah,

887
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Speaker 7: I'll go in an elevator and when it as soon

888
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 7: as those doors closed, I'm like, I had to crawl

889
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Speaker 7: in caves in Malaysia.

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Speaker 3: For the more. I couldn't do that.

891
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Speaker 7: That episode, I was like growing up. Oh, and they

892
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 7: had to stop filming. I was because the caves are

893
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 7: like this this, and you have to crawl, you have

894
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Speaker 7: to kind and You've got like a hard hat on

895
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Speaker 7: that kept hitting the laptites and the thing, and I'm

896
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 7: like and I'm knowing up, it's the worst thing, every

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Speaker 7: past past.

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Speaker 2: No more frog, and well listen, give it here. At

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Speaker 2: the top of the hour, we have more talkbacks, we

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Speaker 2: have more dms, and we want to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: Eighty to eighty one crime. What do you know about

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Speaker 2: that you don't think people do like frog? Or do

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Speaker 2: you have anything else to share? Give us a call

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Speaker 2: True Crime Tonight. Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 2: where we talk true crime all the time. I'm Courtney

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Speaker 2: or I'm Strong. I'm here as always with crime analysts.

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Speaker 2: Body move in Stephanie is out this evening due to

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Speaker 2: tech issues, but you will be back. It's talk Back Tuesdays,

909
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: So we are really taking your lead with all of

910
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 2: the information that you send us. Don't forget if you

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00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 2: miss any part of the Sho show, you can always

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00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: grab us on the podcast and we want to hear

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00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 2: from you. So give us a call eight to eight

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Speaker 2: three one crime or get with us on socials at

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00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 2: True Crime Tonight show on TikTok and Instagram and True

916
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: Crime Tonight on Facebook, which leads us right into a DM.

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Speaker 2: We got body.

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Speaker 7: Oh, I'm going to read it. Okay, let's go. So

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Speaker 7: this one is from kriston Okay and it's a DM

920
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 7: and she says, I never thought about why I like

921
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Speaker 7: true crime until you brought it up. Nancy Drew was

922
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Speaker 7: my first crime fighting idol, and later on I was

923
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 7: addicted to murder. She wrote, like, taha, I love a puzzle,

924
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Speaker 7: but most of all, I love when people get caught

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Speaker 7: and punish for their bad deeds. There is something so

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Speaker 7: gratifying about that. I suppose it makes this feel or

927
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Speaker 7: makes me feel like there is justice in this crazy world. Yes,

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Speaker 7: I feel the same way. I'm literally I love a puzzle,

929
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Speaker 7: like I'm always like, let's try to figure something out

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Speaker 7: or figure out where the piece is fit. I love

931
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Speaker 7: that about like sleuthing and putting the piece together, right,

932
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Speaker 7: I love that piece of it. And then, you know,

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Speaker 7: I loved Nancy Drew as well when I was a

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Speaker 7: little girl, and Scooby Doo, Vala and Daphne were the

935
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Speaker 7: crime solving girls you know in the world, and I

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Speaker 7: love them, right, and I loved it, and you know,

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Speaker 7: and and justice, you know, And I think most of

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Speaker 7: us have experienced something in our life where justice wasn't served,

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Speaker 7: or something wasn't fair, or even something wasn't fair right,

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Speaker 7: And this is a way for us to feel like

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Speaker 7: justice is being served, even though we have nothing to

942
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Speaker 7: do with like solving the crime or or anything like that.

943
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Speaker 7: Just like maybe going along for the ride and seeing

944
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Speaker 7: seeing justice and learning how people get caught doing really

945
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Speaker 7: bad things is somewhat therapeutic.

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Speaker 11: I think, I agree, yeah, And like you, I also

947
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Speaker 11: loved the Nancy Drew rowing up a lot of party boys.

948
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Speaker 11: I used to read their little books as well, And

949
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Speaker 11: so there's something about the mystery and solving it. And

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Speaker 11: I guess I'm a lot like Kristen because I also

951
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Speaker 11: started to enjoy murder.

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Speaker 3: She wrote that was because I have older relatives that

953
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Speaker 3: would always watch it.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's the ridiculousness, and I'd sit down and then

955
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Speaker 11: I'm like, this is actually kind of good, and by

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Speaker 11: the end, I'm like.

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Speaker 7: Wait, Angela Lansbury right in that quaint little town, right, yeah,

958
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Speaker 7: that was a really good show for the day, right right.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Did you guys, Did you guys ever read the

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Speaker 2: k Scark Hey Scark Peta books by Patricia Cornwell? I

961
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Speaker 2: didn't know one of you. Actually, if any of you

962
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Speaker 2: have read the Patricia Cornwell books, give us a Caller,

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Speaker 2: leave us a d M eighty eight three one crime.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll share with Joseph Scott Morgan. She wrote multiple

965
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Speaker 2: books and it was from the perspective of the medical

966
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Speaker 2: Examiner and foreigner and they were really these intricate mysteries

967
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Speaker 2: and who done it? And they're really fabulous. They were

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Speaker 2: wildly popular, wild like she was.

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Speaker 7: My favorite books. My favorites growing up were the ones

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Speaker 7: where you got to pick your own adventure.

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Speaker 3: Like choose.

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Speaker 7: If you choose option A, go to page seventy seven,

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Speaker 7: and then you would go to page seventy seven, and

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Speaker 7: I didn't like that option, so that I would go

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Speaker 7: back and try the next one. I don't like that one,

976
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Speaker 7: and I would cheat, and then I would be like,

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Speaker 7: oh I finished, I'm an expert.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's so telling. I was going to say, what

979
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Speaker 2: did you do? Taha? What did you do with choose

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Speaker 2: your own adventures?

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Speaker 3: I don't remember doing a lot of choosers. I think

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Speaker 3: I probably did the same thing, because I do feel

983
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Speaker 3: like that's just in my nature that like, if I

984
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Speaker 3: didn't like the outcome, let me go back and try

985
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Speaker 3: over again. Oh yeah, But I don't remember doing a

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Speaker 3: lot of Did they choose your own adventures?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Oh they do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they absolutely, they absolutely do. Sam or Adam, did

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Speaker 2: you read those? Because I feel like it's such a

991
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Speaker 2: psychological thing of whether you look like Stephanie, for example,

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Speaker 2: we've talked about this and she would not like she

993
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Speaker 2: was not if she if she went to page seventy

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Speaker 2: seven and it was and she's like, oh, well, I'm done.

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Speaker 3: Really yeah into it?

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Speaker 17: There there were some I was like rellingto reading Goosebumps

997
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Speaker 17: growing up, and they had a few of those for Goosebumps,

998
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Speaker 17: and I remember them just being like so far out

999
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Speaker 17: and weird and like I don't.

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Speaker 7: Know what science fiction books?

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00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was like I don't know.

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Speaker 17: I I have a strange memories of reading those growing up.

1003
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Speaker 7: I only read a couple. But so you wouldn't cheat, though,

1004
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Speaker 7: you would just go to page seventy seven and deal

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Speaker 7: with your fate.

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Speaker 2: You know, I would.

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Speaker 17: I would cheat a little bit, you know, see a

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Speaker 17: couple of different endings.

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Speaker 7: I appreciate the honesty.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate Sam, Sam, you're up?

1011
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 7: What did you do?

1012
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: Did you?

1013
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 3: Did you cheat?

1014
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 2: Sam?

1015
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 7: Or do you think?

1016
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Speaker 21: I was raised on TV? So I didn't, but I

1017
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Speaker 21: did watch, like going back to the school. I've watched

1018
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Speaker 21: most of the versions that were out there because Cartoon Network.

1019
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 7: So I love it it. What about you, Courty? It

1020
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 7: never answers what you did?

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00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, total cheater. Oh I mean I would have

1022
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 2: pulled a typewriter out and rewritten my own ending if

1023
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Speaker 2: I had the option.

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Speaker 18: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So that's all of us with less a psychological test,

1026
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Speaker 2: because honestly, I've done this in different groups, and there

1027
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 2: are honest people among us. Just who not on the show.

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00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 3: Does I mean I'm like we're controlling people?

1029
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 7: Wait? Does that mean I'm not an honest person.

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Speaker 2: No, No, not that. It's more rule following, I think

1031
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 2: is what it is now.

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Speaker 7: I am. I'm very much a rule follower, follower as

1033
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Speaker 7: an adult, like I yes, like I drive ten and two,

1034
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Speaker 7: you know.

1035
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Speaker 2: What I mean.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I pumped the brakes when I stop because I'm like, okay,

1037
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Speaker 7: I got to make sure the guy behind me is

1038
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Speaker 7: going to know I'm going to be stopping. I am

1039
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 7: a rule follower one million percent as an adult.

1040
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 2: I was ant job.

1041
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 3: Oh, I think it's more of like I like the

1042
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 3: outcome to be the way that I want it to be.

1043
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 3: So maybe it's a little less of you're controlling. Maybe

1044
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 3: that's it.

1045
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 2: Makes for a good producer.

1046
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 7: Kristin. Kristin, thank you very much for the DM. It

1047
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 7: made us talk for quite a while. Actually, Courtney, do

1048
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 7: we have another one?

1049
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 2: Yes, we have one from Serena from down under in

1050
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 2: New Zealand. I love New Zealand all the kiwis goodness,

1051
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 2: love Hello True Crime tonight, I'm too chicken to leave

1052
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: a talk back. Well, we're thrilled you. That's a DM.

1053
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 2: I listen every night and love you guys so much.

1054
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: I feel so much part of the group. I even

1055
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 2: talk about quote our conversations with my work mates.

1056
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 3: Love it.

1057
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 2: Uh talk back Tuesday this week was so funny. You

1058
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 2: can't wait for your merch to be available. I will

1059
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 2: definitely be purchasing a hoodie. I think the true crime

1060
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 2: tonight waited vest was a hilarious idea. Maybe I should

1061
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 2: wait until those are available for purchasing. Give out the

1062
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: great work, love all the KT content, Serena, Thank you

1063
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 2: so sincerely.

1064
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Speaker 7: And you are part of our conversations, like yeah, you

1065
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 7: know what I mean. Literally, that's the whole point of

1066
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 7: the show is that we can have like this group

1067
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 7: conversation and the more voices the better. And you know what,

1068
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 7: I wouldn't wait if I were you for the way

1069
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Speaker 7: to vest because I think shipping to New Zealand.

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00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 3: It's going to take a while.

1071
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, it would probably cost about four hundred dollars.

1072
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think so, and we're still in the process,

1073
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 11: so it's going to take a minute.

1074
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 7: Now, a hoodie, I'm sure we can do that. That

1075
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 7: we can do, but a weighted vest probably not.

1076
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 3: No need to do that.

1077
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 7: But you know, I think a lot of people are

1078
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 7: to a chicken to call in or leave a talk back.

1079
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 7: But you guys, it's so easy. When you press the

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00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 7: microphone in the app, you get to hear yourself back,

1081
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 7: and if you don't like it, you can rerecord it.

1082
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 7: It's just like leaving a voicemail or a voice note

1083
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 7: to your friends and I message or something. It's so

1084
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 7: simple and it maybe if you get caught off, just

1085
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 7: leave another one, like, hey, this is me again, serrita.

1086
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 7: This is part two, and we'll get it.

1087
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 17: You get multiple chances too. If you don't like it,

1088
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 17: you can try it again.

1089
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 2: That's right.

1090
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 17: If you say, I'm a lot, Sam and Sam and

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Speaker 17: I will cut it out.

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Speaker 3: So even sound better. Oh yeah, well we.

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Speaker 17: Have some very eloquent speakers, but sometimes you know, we'll

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Speaker 17: cut some space out and make them sound better.

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Speaker 3: That's a great note for everyone to know, so that

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Speaker 3: you're going to sound great no matter what.

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Speaker 2: I think you could edit. My arms was so scary

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Speaker 2: going from podcasts that I got to be a part

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Speaker 2: of the credits to this and then it's just you know,

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Speaker 2: my mouth moving and all the ms and everything else.

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Speaker 7: Courtney. The first listen back I heard of the first night,

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Speaker 7: I was like, I'm saying so much. I was like, oh,

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Speaker 7: my gosh, I can't. This is how I talk? Who

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Speaker 7: is this so scary?

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Speaker 3: I can't listen to it? Like I tried to listen

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Speaker 3: to the other night and I'm like, no, I can't.

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Speaker 3: I can't make me I cringe. I'm like, who but they?

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00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 3: But I will let you in a secret. I did

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Speaker 3: actually need to talk back once a long time ago.

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Speaker 3: I did because I was on a flight. It was

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Speaker 3: when I was on vacation. I was on a flight

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Speaker 3: going and that we were actually boarding the plane. I

1113
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 3: was like, I want, don't we even talk about because

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00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 3: I feel left out because I'm that part of the team.

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00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 7: Did we play it?

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00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 12: You?

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00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 3: Did we play it?

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00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 2: You? Hear like you are not boarding.

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00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 3: In the background.

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Speaker 7: Do not recognize your voice?

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Speaker 2: I don't remember that.

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00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 3: I feel like someone said it on air. They called

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Speaker 3: it out. I was just going to say I re

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00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 3: recorded it like at least four times, like it was

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Speaker 3: so many. I was like, oh, I sound dumb. So

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Speaker 3: all I have to say to people out there listening,

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00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 3: do it over and over until you get it right. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and we'll still fix it to make it sound better.

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Speaker 7: But Serena, we understand like you too shy and too

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Speaker 7: scared like one hundred percent. I'm a DM girl, so

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00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 7: I totally get it and thank you so much for that.

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Speaker 2: DM.

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00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 7: It was so sweet and you you definitely are part

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00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 7: of our conversation, so I love it.

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00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 2: Who wants to read the next one?

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00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 3: You can? I see, I see one that I'm dying

1137
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 3: to read because it sounds interesting. I want to hear

1138
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 3: everyone's input in this one. This is from I think

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00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 3: it's pronounced Cadron. Cadrin says high high crime tonight, Gang,

1140
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 3: I have a great idea for a comfort drink that

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00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 3: will help keep you awake during this wonderful autumn season.

1142
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 3: Try pumpkin spice lattes with Italian egg biscuits. It's such

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00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 3: a delight.

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00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 7: You have me a pumpkin spice Lotte, You have me

1145
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 7: what is an what's an Italian egg biscuit?

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00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 3: I was about to ask the two of you. You

1147
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 3: both seem like culinary types, and I was.

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Speaker 7: A culinary type.

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00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: Well, oh you know what they are. They're the ones

1150
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:41,479
Speaker 2: from and I grew up in Queens. We didn't really

1151
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 2: have supermarkets. It was you go to the cheese store

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00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 2: for like you go to the Italian bakeries. Certainly with

1153
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 2: the bodegas on every corner. But oh man, that's right.

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00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: These are those delicious cookies. They're usually have a little

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00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: bit of lemon in them, I think, and they have

1156
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 2: this frosting on top with the little little sprinkles, little balls. Man,

1157
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 2: you can picture. They're sound good light. They're like powdered sugar. Okay,

1158
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 2: I am all in on the egg biscuits and I

1159
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 2: will split the order. Body. Pumpkin spice is all you, Courtney.

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Speaker 3: You and I are so alike. I was about to say,

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Speaker 3: I'm not even fond of like pumpkin like you, and

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00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 3: I don't like pumpkin like.

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00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 7: Pumpkin pie. The texture, No, absolutely not.

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00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 17: A well you know what I like a lot this

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00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 17: time of year. Uh that When I was in Chicago,

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00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 17: they have a Dunkin Donut Donuts like every corner in

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Speaker 17: the city.

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Speaker 2: I would get the pumpkin donuts. They sell pumpkin donuts.

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Speaker 17: They're so good. If you're if you're someone who's passing

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Speaker 17: Dunkin Donuts every day, go get the pumpkin donut this month.

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Speaker 7: Like dont cider donuts. I grew up in Michigan and

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Speaker 7: apple apples is a big thing. Yeah, an apple cider, donuts,

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Speaker 7: chef's kiss. I love me a good apple cider.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that does sound good.

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Speaker 21: I've actually been spice waffles.

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Speaker 3: That actually sounds good. They always sound better, but then

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Speaker 3: when I tried them, I love it. But that sounds quite.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy you've been making waffles. You had said that

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00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 2: you wanted to up your cooking game a little bit. Yeah.

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Speaker 21: I have this little, tiny waffle maker that's barely bigger

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Speaker 21: than my hands, but it's like, okay, at least making

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Speaker 21: breakfast food on my own.

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Speaker 3: There you go, and from Trader Joe's. Is that where

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Speaker 3: you said you got it from. Yes, okay, another favorite

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00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 3: place of mine too. I feel like they have everything

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Speaker 3: and nothing at the same time. I don't know why.

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Speaker 3: I feel like every time I go there, I see

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Speaker 3: everything I want but nothing I really need.

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Speaker 7: But have you tried the seafood boil from Trader Joe's.

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Speaker 3: No, it's very good seafood boil.

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Speaker 7: Okay, It's like eleven bucks and it's a full sea

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Speaker 7: will boil and it is delicious.

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Speaker 3: Really.

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Speaker 7: Another really good thing at Trader Joe's, so you didn't know,

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Speaker 7: is the bogie. Oh do you like the Korean meat?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 7: Yes, theirgi is so good. Another really, I'm like a.

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Speaker 3: Trader Yeah, I'm saying, I love.

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Speaker 7: Me at Trader Joe's. The other really good thing that

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Speaker 7: they have are the soup dumplings.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, have you seen the recipe, the viral one? Now,

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Speaker 3: I think you take the I think it's coconut milk

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01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 3: and it's one of their like uh soy type horses,

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Speaker 3: and you put the dumplings in that and you bake

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01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 3: that anyway, it's like a baked you'll see it. They're everywhere.

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Speaker 3: There's a Trader Joe recipe for the tlings that's going around.

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Speaker 3: But the dumplings.

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Speaker 2: Oh and the soyaki maybe what you're referring to soyaki

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01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 2: is I don't know what that is delicious, So it's

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Speaker 2: it's like a mix of soy sauce and terry hockey

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01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 2: and there's sesame seeds in it. It has got tang

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Speaker 2: and its own kind of delicious.

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Speaker 7: I mean I always get like three or four boxes

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Speaker 7: of the soup dumplings because there's like six in a box.

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Speaker 7: But they're real eat them every single Those are my

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Speaker 7: favorite ones are the chicken.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I love I love a good soup dumplings.

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Speaker 7: You know what, I would love to hear what people put,

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Speaker 7: what their favorite items are at Trader Joe's. Let's get

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Speaker 7: a shopping lots together. Give us a call eighty eight

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Speaker 7: thirty one Crime or leave us a talk back, because

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Speaker 7: I will love me a Trader Joe's, Like, you know

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Speaker 7: what I mean, totally into it.

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Speaker 2: This leads to Stephanie's dream that we will have cooking nights.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's gonna be so envious. We're talking about this

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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 2: No, we're just getting started from when she's got to do.

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Speaker 7: They have Trader Joses in Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good put on. They're everywhere. I'm going

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Speaker 3: to look into that. I'll check that finely.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, tahas on the case and listen. Stick

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01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 2: around because after the break we have more talkbacks. We're

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01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 2: talking about whatever you are feeding us, and we're also

1235
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Speaker 2: going to get into the toy box killer because it's Halloween.

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Speaker 2: Keep it here, True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 7: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio, where we

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Speaker 7: talk true crime all the time. I'm body movin and

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Speaker 7: I'm here with producer Courtney Armstrong and producer Taha. Thank

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01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 7: you for being here both of you, and don't forget.

1241
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 7: If you miss any part of tonight's show, you can

1242
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 7: always catch the podcast. We also want to hear from you.

1243
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 7: Give us a call at eight eight eight three one

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01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 7: crime or get what's on our socials. It's at True

1245
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 7: Crime Tonight's show on TikTok and Instagram, or you can

1246
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 7: use Facebook just look for true Crime Tonight. But now listen,

1247
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 7: we asked you, guys, which true crime cases scare you

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Speaker 7: the most, and you answered, let's go to that talk

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Speaker 7: back right now.

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Speaker 15: Hey, ladies, it's Brittany from Montreal. I'm just replying to

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Speaker 15: your post about what true crime story scares us the most.

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01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 15: So for me, have to be David Parker Ray, known

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Speaker 15: as the Toy Box Killer. For some reason, he hasn't

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01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 15: really known or talked about as much in true crime.

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Speaker 15: Most people have no idea who he is, surprisingly, but

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Speaker 15: this story has stuck with me four years. So he

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Speaker 15: and his girlfriend would abduct women, and before he had

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Speaker 15: a girlfriend, his daughter used to help him, which is

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Speaker 15: another crazy They drug, assault and torture them and once abducted,

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Speaker 15: you'd wake up groggy, chained up. He'd play a terrifying

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Speaker 15: pre recorded tape for you in which he'd describing great

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Speaker 15: detail what you're about to go through, and he really

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Speaker 15: messed with your mind as well. Gives me like jigsaw vibes.

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Speaker 15: And he'd also have this toy box hence the name

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Speaker 15: with homie torture devices and like a god in college's chair,

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Speaker 15: just so crazy. You can find the transcripts online and

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Speaker 15: some of the videos online. I actually got nawsees deep

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Speaker 15: diving this one, which never happens, so yeah, trigger warning

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Speaker 15: on this case. Unfortunately, he did die before being convicted,

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Speaker 15: but he documented almost everything, so there's plenty of evidence.

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Speaker 15: No bodys were fought. But this is back like sixty

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Speaker 15: plus victims, So yeah, that's definitely the case that scares

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Speaker 15: me the most. I'm looking forward to hearing everybody else's answers,

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Speaker 15: So have a great night, ladies.

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Speaker 7: Thank you wow on the FBI page for him right now.

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Speaker 3: And it's a crazy Yeah, this is this one is crazy.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting. We got that talk back and you know,

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01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 3: thank everyone for sending in your talkbacks. But Ava and I,

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Speaker 3: in our early mornings we researched and started looking into it,

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Speaker 3: and Ava said, this is the scariest and freakiest story

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Speaker 3: I have ever heard. So I started looking into it

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01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 3: and I even agreed. So we went along to Courtney

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Speaker 3: and like, Courtney, are you familiar with this one? Would

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Speaker 3: you be up for telling everyone about it? She read

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01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 3: it and said this is crazy and said, okay, let's

1286
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 3: let's talk about it. But to the talkback, the person

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Speaker 3: that sent the talk back over the person's name, I

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Speaker 3: missed their name, but Brittany, I believe to Brittaney's point,

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Speaker 3: it's a trigger alert. So let's let everyone know that

1290
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Speaker 3: we're going to be talking about some stuff that's pretty graphic,

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Speaker 3: to the point where I even said, like, let's let's

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01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 3: not go too in detail with some of this, but

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Speaker 3: court talk about some of this to everyone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, first of all, you laid the story out beautifully.

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01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 2: I'll fill in a little bit. And as Taha said,

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Speaker 2: we have dialed it back. Everything we are saying is fact,

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01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 2: but a little toned down, if you can believe it. So,

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Speaker 2: this guy, David Parker Ray again was known as the

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Speaker 2: Toy Box Killer, and he was a kidnapper, torturer, and

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Speaker 2: suspected serial killer in New Mexico. His crimes happened over

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Speaker 2: the course of a bunch of decades, and as mentioned,

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01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 2: he did. He abducted and tortured women in this soundproof

1303
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 2: trailer he called his toy box and again he would

1304
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 2: his girlfriend Cindy Hendy would be there to help and

1305
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 2: kind of help bring and deliver victims to him.

1306
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the part that's always weird when someone will,

1307
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 3: like you get family or someone you're dating to help

1308
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 3: you with this.

1309
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 7: But reminds me of of Ian Brady and Myra Henley.

1310
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 7: They were the more murderers in England. Did you guys

1311
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 7: ever hear about them? No, So it's really rare to

1312
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 7: have a couple doing these kinds of things, you know.

1313
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 7: And if this is a couple too, this toy box

1314
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 7: killer anyway, I didn't mean to interrupt.

1315
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 2: Please, Yeah, another one we should dive into.

1316
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 7: I know a lot about that one.

1317
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this toy box Killer he in his past

1318
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 2: he served as an US Army. He was in the

1319
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 2: he was a mechanic. And again he spent one hundred

1320
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 2: grand converting this trailer into a soundproof torture chamber.

1321
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 3: One hundred Yeah, Randy, in the nineties, that's like, you know,

1322
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 3: I'm going to assume like two hundred thousand that you're

1323
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 3: spending just on your torture chamber.

1324
01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 2: Yes, and as Brittany said it was, it was filled

1325
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 2: with surgical tools and restraints. And his accomplices would his

1326
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 2: girlfriend primarily would lure these victims from bars or from

1327
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 2: the streets, and they would often be drugged before they

1328
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 2: got there, so the drugs would be coming into effect,

1329
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 2: and he would then chain them inside his trailer slash

1330
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 2: toy box so unbelievably. When people arrived, Ray would play

1331
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 2: an audio tape of his own voice and he would

1332
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 2: describe what was about to happen to them. So here's

1333
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 2: the transcript. Nothing is added, there is stuff taken away.

1334
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 2: So people would wake up and hear, hello, there, bitch,

1335
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 2: Are you comfortable right now? I doubt it. Wrist and

1336
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 2: ankles chained, gagged, you were disoriented and scared too, I'd imagine,

1337
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 2: perfectly normal under the circumstances. I don't know the details

1338
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 2: of your capture because this tape is being created July

1339
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 2: tent third, nineteen ninety three. It's a general advisory tape

1340
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 2: for future female captives. You're obviously here against your will,

1341
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 2: totally hopeless. Oh god, I've never heard of such a

1342
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 2: thing like.

1343
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 3: That and crazy like he would record something in advance

1344
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 3: like it's some sort of it. Yeah, that's the fact

1345
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 3: that he put the time and effort and plan this

1346
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 3: far advances, got me on the edge of the seat

1347
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 3: and frightened.

1348
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 2: And would play that again. This happened over decades. So

1349
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 2: this man is beleeved to have kidnapped four to five

1350
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:37,759
Speaker 2: women a year, and he would hold them for differing amounts,

1351
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 2: some of them really long before releasing them. Authorities suspect,

1352
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 2: though it has not been proven, he might have murdered

1353
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 2: up to sixty women.

1354
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 7: Oh my god.

1355
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:50,679
Speaker 2: Wow, Yes, and nobody. I had never heard of this

1356
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 2: case until Brittany brought it to our attention.

1357
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 7: He was arrested though I do see that. Yes, he

1358
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 7: was arrested, and he died like a year.

1359
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 3: Later, right, which is why they found I think the bodies.

1360
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 3: I think before he passed, he never gave information about

1361
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 3: what they are, assuming maybe the other sixty semi victims.

1362
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 7: Like yeah, this, so he would use Cindy. Cindy was

1363
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 7: his girlfriend, right, and who would use her to lure

1364
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 7: and restrain victims, So she was an active participant in this.

1365
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 7: And then his daughter would also lure them in some daughter, Yes.

1366
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 3: His daughter, That's what's so wild to me.

1367
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 7: And then he had another accomplice named Dennis Yancey, who

1368
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 7: was later convicted of murder. Most victims were sex workers

1369
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 7: or hitchhikers, making them difficult to grace. They never found

1370
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 7: a single body, but they do suspect up to sixty victims.

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01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, good, you imagine.

1372
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 15: Wow.

1373
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 2: And in March of nineteen ninety nine, a woman named

1374
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 2: Cynthia Vigil She's twenty two year old. She broke free

1375
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 2: and at the time she was only wearing a metal

1376
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 2: collar and chains. She led authorities to Ray and then

1377
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 2: later she had a website and she wrote I was

1378
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 2: determined to escape. And she goes on to explain that

1379
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 2: Ray left the home to go to work and his

1380
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 2: girlfriend was distracted on the phone, and she says, I

1381
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 2: seized the opportunity to grab the key to release myself Handy.

1382
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 2: The girlfriend realized what was happening and tried to stop me,

1383
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:35,679
Speaker 2: which led to an altered case where Handy being hit

1384
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 2: in the head with an ice pick by me, which

1385
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 2: I thought was such an interesting way to phrase it.

1386
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 7: But I said a metal collar.

1387
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 2: She had a metal collar and she released herself from

1388
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 2: the chain.

1389
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:51,759
Speaker 3: Why does that stand out to you, Boddy?

1390
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 7: So there's a there's a new case in the Blue

1391
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 7: Barrel Killer. Yes, yes, Timothy Haslett Junior out of Excelsior Springs, Missouri.

1392
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 7: I think I've told the story a couple of times.

1393
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 7: And the woman who escaped from his torture chamber in

1394
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 7: his basement while he took his child to school had

1395
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 7: a had a metal collar on and like a trash bag,

1396
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 7: and she escaped. She had this will you talked about,

1397
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 7: this will to escape, will to get out. And when

1398
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 7: she she got out, she went knocking on doors in

1399
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 7: the neighborhood. You know, she ran for her life.

1400
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 3: You know.

1401
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 7: She kindly gets away and when the police arrived, she

1402
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 7: tells them that Timothy haslet Junior, the guy who kidnapped her,

1403
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 7: there was another woman when she arrived with her and

1404
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 7: that and then she went away. Let's girl went away,

1405
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:48,719
Speaker 7: and that Timothy Haslett Junior, while he was torturing her

1406
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 7: let her know that she was not the only one

1407
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 7: that he has had under his control, and that he's

1408
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 7: killed before. And so I mean, but we don't know.

1409
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 7: But there was a body found in a blue barrel

1410
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 7: and he is being charged with that murder right now,

1411
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:05,839
Speaker 7: and he stands trial. I think it starts in December.

1412
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 7: I'll have to refollow back up on that, but I

1413
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 7: think it starts in December. Timothy has Lejunior, Excelsior, Springs, Missouri.

1414
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 7: This pretty recent, absolutely, and there are a lot of

1415
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 7: similarities which had not occurred to me until you mentioned it.

1416
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 3: So I was just gonna say, I wonder if he

1417
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 3: was if he heard about this case and was inspired

1418
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 3: by it, right, because there's so many similarities. But I

1419
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 3: was just going to ask, did you when you're saying

1420
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 3: they saw another woman, was it an accomplice or you

1421
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 3: think it's another woman another victim?

1422
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 7: It was a victim that was also being tortured and

1423
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 7: assaulting and whatnot in this basement when she arrived. But

1424
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 7: to get back to the toy box guy really quick,

1425
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 7: the FBI created a task force because they found all

1426
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 7: kinds of souvenirs in his trailer, his torture trailer that

1427
01:12:56,120 --> 01:13:00,080
Speaker 7: he convert his camp or whatever. And if you know,

1428
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 7: if you think that maybe a relative of yours or whatnot,

1429
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 7: it might have been a victim, it's worth checking out

1430
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 7: some of those items that they found, because there's a

1431
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:13,719
Speaker 7: lot of jewelry that looks pretty unique. So what they've

1432
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 7: done the FBON, this task force, is they've taken photos

1433
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 7: of it all and cataloged it. There's over six hundred items. Wow, yeah,

1434
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 7: really really interesting stuff. Like you know, there's cuff links,

1435
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,480
Speaker 7: not cufflinks, but ear rings. What did I say, cufflinks,

1436
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:34,440
Speaker 7: ear rings, some lapel pins like adors lapel pin rings,

1437
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 7: things like that. So you know, maybe listen, if you

1438
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 7: in New Mexico in this timeframe, if you maybe have

1439
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,600
Speaker 7: a missing loved one.

1440
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 2: And the timeframe is long, the timeframe is decades. There

1441
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 2: was This is horrifying. There was another victim named Angela

1442
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 2: Montano and she had a similar story of the woman

1443
01:13:55,400 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 2: you just spoke about, Cynthia Vigil and she after being tortured.

1444
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 2: First of all, she was invited to the house to

1445
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 2: pick up cake mix, which just breaks my heart. So

1446
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 2: she thinks she's going there for Kate pake mix. She

1447
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 2: is tortured and then somehow, by you know will and

1448
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 2: of smart mind, she convinced the pair to release her

1449
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 2: along the highway. Okay, they release her. She was then

1450
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 2: picked up by an off duty law enforcement officer. She

1451
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 2: explained what happened, and he didn't believe her and simply

1452
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 2: left her at a bus stop. Yeah, and she later

1453
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 2: called and followed up with the police about the incident,

1454
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 2: but claims that there was no follow up. So yeah,

1455
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:43,919
Speaker 2: I mean, it's such an unbelievable story.

1456
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 3: Wow, that's crazy.

1457
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 2: And they would they would often, this Siico and his girlfriend.

1458
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 2: They would leave some of these women just by the

1459
01:14:55,320 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 2: roadsides and they would have tried to erase their memories

1460
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 2: by using hypnosis and drugs. So this is from another

1461
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 2: tape that this guy, David Parker Ray had. He says,

1462
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 2: I get off on mind games. After we get completely

1463
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,719
Speaker 2: through with you, you're going to be drugged up real heavy,

1464
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 2: And he explains that there is a mix of drugs.

1465
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:25,520
Speaker 2: They are both hypnotic drugs that will make you extremely

1466
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 2: susceptible to hypnosis, auto hypnosis and hypnotic suggestions. You're going

1467
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 2: to be kept drugged a couple of days while I

1468
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 2: play with your mind. By the time I get through

1469
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 2: brainwashing you, you're not going to remember an effing thing

1470
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 2: about what.

1471
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 7: Happened to them. They just were, they knew they went,

1472
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 7: They went missing for vises. Oh, my god.

1473
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 22: So I've never heard of such a thing that this guy, Right,

1474
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:54,839
Speaker 22: But I guess he's letting the victims are the people free,

1475
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:55,799
Speaker 22: but they're all drugs.

1476
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 3: So in other words, I guess not every person is

1477
01:15:58,920 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 3: being killed.

1478
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 2: No.

1479
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 7: No, the victims that he is convicted of are all alive, okay,

1480
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 7: but they don't know what happened to them because of

1481
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 7: these drugs. And like in one case, this this guy

1482
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 7: divorced his wife because she disappeared for a couple of days.

1483
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 7: Her name was Kelly Garrett. Garrett I disappeared for a

1484
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 7: couple of days, and he's like, where the hell, where

1485
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 7: the hell were you? And she's like, I don't know,

1486
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 7: you know what. He didn't trust her after that, and

1487
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:26,599
Speaker 7: he divorced her. How sad is that?

1488
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 3: Oh that's horrible.

1489
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 7: I'm just reading it. She was interviewed and she was

1490
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 7: on Cold Case Files about her whole ordeal.

1491
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 3: Wow. I just was because I.

1492
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 7: Never heard of this before.

1493
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, this one is crazy. I wasn't familiar and it's

1494
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,600
Speaker 3: it's it chills up your spine.

1495
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 2: I wonder why again this this hasn't been that widely.

1496
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 3: You know, amon I was saying the same thing. I

1497
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,759
Speaker 3: think you know, to your earlier point, we're not telling

1498
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 3: a lot of the graphic details. But I wonder if

1499
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 3: because it's there's such graphic nature, because it's disturbing, they

1500
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 3: aren't covering it to that extent, or maybe because I

1501
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 3: don't think if that's it. No, do you think maybe

1502
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 3: because there are a lot of sex.

1503
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 7: Workers love to hear the graphic details. I don't know

1504
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 7: that's it. People love to hear the graphic details more

1505
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 7: than they want to admit.

1506
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 2: I think you might be right about the victims being

1507
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 2: often sex workers. People get much less interested when they're

1508
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 2: not more to stereotype white and blonde and twenty three

1509
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 2: years old.

1510
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's like. I don't know enough about that

1511
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 3: case with the other the officers that picked up the person,

1512
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 3: but that's where my mind immediately went. Is probably why

1513
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 3: he was like, I'm not saying anything because he was

1514
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Speaker 3: really quick.

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Speaker 7: Before a commercial that victim I told you about, Ray

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01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 7: the suspect actually talked to her husband sitting under on

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01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 7: the beach.

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01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:52,560
Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 7: Listen stay tuned where we have more coming up. This

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01:17:56,080 --> 01:18:07,759
Speaker 7: is true Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. See you in a minute.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We'll retalk

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01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Courtney Armstrong, so lucky

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01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,759
Speaker 2: to be here with Body move In and with producer

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01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 2: Taha and with Sam and Adam in the control room

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01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:26,640
Speaker 2: controlling everything. On this talk back Tuesday. They get a

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01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 2: little drunk with power, right Body A little bit, A

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01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 2: little bit, Yeah, I know. Listen. If you've missed any

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01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 2: part of the show, you can always catch us in

1530
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 2: the podcast. We'd love to hear from you, So call

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01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 2: us eight at eight three one Crime or get with

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01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 2: us on socials. We are at True Crime Tonight's show

1533
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 2: on TikTok and Instagram and True Crime Tonight on Facebook,

1534
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 2: and let's head right back into a talk back.

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01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 3: High ladies.

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01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 23: Leair in Australia. I've just finished watching the new Netflix

1537
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 23: documentary Perfect Nigh, about the woman in Florida who killed

1538
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 23: her neighbor and the standard ground Laws. Possibly one of

1539
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 23: the most heart wrenching, heartbreaking documentaries I think I've ever seen,

1540
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 23: but I think it would definitely be a good true

1541
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 23: crime and chill for the next couple of weeks.

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01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 2: Thanks.

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01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 7: I have to tell you I want Indy and I

1544
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 7: watched this this weekend and it's it's told there's no narration. Oh,

1545
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 7: it is so interesting. It's all body cam footage. Oh wow,

1546
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 7: it's wow because it starts out and going to just listen.

1547
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 7: It starts out with like a Karen Neighbor kind of person.

1548
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 7: She keeps calling the cops on the kids playing in

1549
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 7: front of her house kind of thing. They're making too

1550
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 7: much noise, They're making too much noise. That's how it

1551
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 7: starts out. And the entire documentary is just the series

1552
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 7: of calls that she's making until the culmination at the end.

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01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:59,639
Speaker 7: It is so it's very short. It's like an hour

1554
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 7: and hand. So it's so me too. I was like

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01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:05,879
Speaker 7: Indy and I watched it. We were like, oh my.

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01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 3: God, it's over.

1557
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 2: Wow, Like it's a very intense. It sounds yeah, yeah.

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01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 7: It's very it's very obviously, very real because it's all

1559
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 7: body cam footage, right, And the kids in this documentary

1560
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 7: are just like the sweetest things.

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01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 3: In the world.

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01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 7: I mean, they're so cute. In one instance, the Karen

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01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 7: neighbor accuses the kids of like getting in her car

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01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 7: and driving it around, and this little girl goes she's

1565
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 7: talking to the cop and she goes I'm only eleven.

1566
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 7: You know, if they're adorable, you know, it's it's it's

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01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 7: such a good documentary, and then you know it culminates.

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01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 7: I don't want to give too much way, but it's

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01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 7: it's kind of a story about staying the ground. Oh okay,

1570
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 7: And it's very interesting, and it's very current, it's very topical,

1571
01:20:56,920 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 7: it's very and I'm dying to talk about it. I

1572
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:02,640
Speaker 7: haven't talked about it because I was hoping that we

1573
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 7: would pick this for True Crime and childcause I want

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01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 7: to talk about it.

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01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 3: So well, all right, I'm going to make the decision

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01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 3: for all of us. I think this should be the

1577
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 3: one because.

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01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 7: Haha is the boss.

1579
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 8: Oh.

1580
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:13,919
Speaker 11: I wouldn't go that far, but I think in this instance,

1581
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 11: because initially the plan had been I was like Stephanie, tonight,

1582
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 11: let's decide which one we're going to go with.

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01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 3: And we've got some options. But for the sake of

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01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 3: time and because now I'm so intrigued, so good, let's

1585
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 3: just make this the one. I think that's the official

1586
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 3: one we're going to go with.

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01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 7: It's also heartbreaking, so keep that in mind. It's heartbreaking

1588
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 7: because you literally fall in love with these people.

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01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:36,879
Speaker 3: Does that work for you.

1590
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 2: I am all in body your reaction, Leah, you should

1591
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:45,679
Speaker 2: have seen body sort of both light up and grab

1592
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 2: and clutch her heart and it was at the range

1593
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 2: of every human emotion. So that I am all in,

1594
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 2: And especially when you said all body cam footage, which

1595
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 2: is very hard for me to picture. But I'm incredibly excited.

1596
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,440
Speaker 7: You wouldn't think You wouldn't think that watching a documentary

1597
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 7: and it's literally all body cam footage would tell a story.

1598
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 7: But so I don't know how they did it. It's

1599
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 7: like the perfect storm of storytelling because it's all very

1600
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 7: real right right. And by the way, the cops in

1601
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 7: this documentary are so nice. I was like, who are

1602
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 7: these cops? Where do they live? Like I don't have

1603
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:25,759
Speaker 7: those kind of cops, right, But they are. It's really, really,

1604
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,600
Speaker 7: really good, And I'm so excited that we're going to

1605
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 7: do this for True Cremon chill this week, So.

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01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:33,439
Speaker 3: Done so as a reminder title and where it's streaming from.

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01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 7: Okay, So for True crime and Chill this week, we're

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01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 7: going to watch The Perfect Neighbor and it's on Netflix.

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01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:41,639
Speaker 3: Netflix got it?

1610
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 2: Okay, And once again, Netflix, you should be sponsoring us.

1611
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 2: But I'm very excited. Especially the ninety minute sounds awesome

1612
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 2: as well.

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01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's really short. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't

1614
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 7: believe how quick it was. So yeah, no, it's fine,

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01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 7: it's fine, it's great, It's absolutely great. So please, Okay,

1616
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 7: so when are we going to do it? When when

1617
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 7: do people have to watch it?

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01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 3: By it? Well, let's see, because normally we do it

1619
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 3: on Wednesday or Thursday, not enough time, and also this

1620
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 3: is leading up to Halloween, so we'll have to hold

1621
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 3: off on that. I would say we'll make it either

1622
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:19,759
Speaker 3: next Wednesday Thursday. We'll unpack it perfect, We'll give ourselves

1623
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 3: a whole week to watch it.

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01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 7: Wait, I'm so glad that she got to watch it

1625
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 7: all the way in Australia. I know you get to

1626
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 7: see our crazy Americans being insane, like you guys, are

1627
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 7: you guys? You guys are going to be enraged. I'm

1628
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 7: telling you really, I know you both and how you are.

1629
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 7: You're gonna be furious.

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01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 3: I guess I cannot wait. Okay, I'm on the edge

1631
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 3: of my seat. When you said body came alone, that's

1632
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 3: told me as well. But this this feels like, Yeah,

1633
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 3: I think it's a perfect one. I think Stephanie will

1634
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 3: be on board, so we'll just text her and tell me.

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01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 7: I think Stephanie will love it. Yeah, Okay, it's really

1636
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 7: short so it won't take up a lot of time.

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01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:58,959
Speaker 3: Can I just say I'd love how much our audience

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01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 3: gives such great suggest and they're so we have like

1639
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 3: a really bright.

1640
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 7: I just feel like they're ed.

1641
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:05,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it.

1642
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 2: It's the show from every hemisphere. What's the next? Talk back?

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01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:14,599
Speaker 13: Hey, y'all.

1644
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 14: Step from Bama. So I'm listening to last night's show

1645
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 14: The Crime Lab with our awesome Joseph Scott Morgan, and

1646
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 14: he was talking about when he was in the More

1647
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 14: and he was having to roll the body over and

1648
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 14: the body exhaled that air, that trap air was coming out.

1649
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 14: So I have a story similar to that. So I

1650
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 14: used to work on the ambulance. I ran Primary nine

1651
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 14: on one for our county. I responded to a head

1652
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 14: on collision. Unfortunately neither drivers made it. But as Niemen

1653
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 14: one responders, we have to still retrieve cardiac strips that

1654
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 14: show that they are a sisterly or so they're flatline right.

1655
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 14: So this one unfortunate person, I was having to cut

1656
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 14: the seatbelt and shifts the body a little bit to

1657
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 14: be able to get one of the pads the leaves

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01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:15,439
Speaker 14: onto the skin on the chest and when I rolled

1659
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 14: the arm forward a little bit, all of a sudden,

1660
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 14: I hear and I know I'm supposed to be professional,

1661
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 14: and good on Joseph Scott Morgan for keeping his fool

1662
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 14: because I screamed. I thought this person had come back

1663
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 14: to life on me. I thought it was a zombie apocalypse.

1664
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 14: It scared me to death. My partner had been in

1665
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 14: this field for twenty something years at this point, and

1666
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:42,640
Speaker 14: he just looks at me and he laughs and he

1667
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:46,599
Speaker 14: goes first time huh. So anyway, I thought it was funny.

1668
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:49,719
Speaker 14: I had to share it. You know, it is nerve racking,

1669
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 14: and kudos to Joseph for being able to keep this

1670
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 14: cool though. Anyways, I love Crime Lab. Definitely need to

1671
01:25:57,320 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 14: keep this going.

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01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, I didn't know that that happened. I knew that,

1673
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 7: I knew that in some cases the body would like

1674
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 7: expel fluids or you know what now, but I didn't

1675
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 7: know there was air that needed to kind of come

1676
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:17,559
Speaker 7: out in that when the air escaped. This is what

1677
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 7: Joseph explained on Crime Lab this week. Which is kind

1678
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 7: of like a new series we're going to start doing

1679
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 7: where you know, Joseph's a professor in college and he

1680
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 7: teaches this stuff, so we thought it would be kind

1681
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 7: of fun to have Professor Joseph crime lab and teach

1682
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 7: Us Layman's some forensic stuff about death investigation. And the

1683
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 7: first subject of crime Lab was determining time of death.

1684
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 7: So stay tuned for what we're going to be doing next.

1685
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 7: But he was talking about the origin of boo and

1686
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 7: apparently back in the olden days, it comes from this

1687
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 7: air that's escaping your lungs when you pass and pressure

1688
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 7: is applied or a movement in the case of the

1689
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 7: talk back, and yeah, when when the air escapes, it

1690
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 7: kind of sounds like this.

1691
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 3: That scared just when you told that story. I really

1692
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 3: like the story delivered it, but just the thought of like,

1693
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 3: first of all, I would be the first one running

1694
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 3: down that hallway screen and kudos to anybody who's in

1695
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 3: the medical profession that can handle and deal with these

1696
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 3: but yes.

1697
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 7: And don't feel so bad. I think I would kind

1698
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 7: of scream too, you know, I would be a professional

1699
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 7: and respectful. You still get scared, You're still yeah.

1700
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:40,720
Speaker 2: And also stuff from Alabama. You know, high five to you,

1701
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 2: you said, high five for Joseph for not screaming. High

1702
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 2: five to you for what you do. That is such

1703
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 2: an important pivotal part of our literal society is.

1704
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 7: Isn't it like a first Responders Day or something?

1705
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, Oh my.

1706
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:00,679
Speaker 3: God, yes, I forgot about that.

1707
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 7: The first Responder's Day to everyone and especially to you

1708
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 7: Step Yeah.

1709
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 3: Seriously, good memory and a perfect talk back for today.

1710
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:16,600
Speaker 3: So that could have been Adam. Did you know that

1711
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 3: first responding?

1712
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 7: No, I mean it's a big deal. First responders are like,

1713
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:24,879
Speaker 7: it's so important.

1714
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 2: They make our world go around.

1715
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 7: Like, okay, it's Vegas, it's October first, the shooting, the

1716
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 7: mass shooting that happened here, and bullets are literally raining

1717
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 7: down from the Mandalay Bay and the first responders are

1718
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:46,640
Speaker 7: running two people, do you know what I mean? The

1719
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 7: buildings nine to eleven, you know they're coming. First responders

1720
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 7: are running up the stairs like they're the literal heroes

1721
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 7: of They need a whole they need a whole month.

1722
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 3: I agree, not just a day.

1723
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 7: And you know, happy First Responders Day and we really

1724
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 7: really really appreciate you all. Like I think about I

1725
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 7: think about that because my brother was at that concert,

1726
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:13,840
Speaker 7: and I think about that all the time because you know,

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01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 7: there's footage, you know, and you know these people are

1728
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 7: like running to help, they're running away, and the first

1729
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 7: responders are running two. Right, it's crazy, crazy because it

1730
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:28,679
Speaker 7: goes against every instinct.

1731
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I mean you use the word heroes, and

1732
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 2: they are literal superheroes. When I I went to a

1733
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:39,800
Speaker 2: Mets game a while ago, two months ago, when ed

1734
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 2: I was indeed going to see my family in Paris, yeah, exactly.

1735
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 2: But it was First Responders Day and it was so

1736
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:51,760
Speaker 2: amazing because a lot of the first responders they had

1737
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 2: on sort of their you know, shirts or badges, there's

1738
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 2: certain things, and it was so many jobs that I

1739
01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 2: had never conceived of, like in the fire department, but

1740
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 2: heavy demolition, like think how much and how quickly you

1741
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 2: need to be moving buildings to get people out, or

1742
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:17,840
Speaker 2: just all of these urgent, important jobs that people do,

1743
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:21,719
Speaker 2: right wow. Yeah, it was just it was eye opening

1744
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 2: to see all of the different pieces. I'm actually getting

1745
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 2: teared up thinking about it now, that people do for

1746
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:27,719
Speaker 2: a living for us.

1747
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:30,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, well you know, EMTs. I can't remember what I

1748
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 7: was doing It was something for that Vice TV show

1749
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 7: that I did, the Resolved TV show, and I had

1750
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 7: to research EMTs and I interviewed a couple and their

1751
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 7: work schedule is insane.

1752
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:47,759
Speaker 3: They work like fourteen hours.

1753
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:50,880
Speaker 7: They get paid. They get paid like very yes, by

1754
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 7: the way, and they're like they're totally saving lives and

1755
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,679
Speaker 7: like their whole job is to get you stable enough

1756
01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:59,799
Speaker 7: just to transport you to the hospital so that doctors

1757
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 7: can fix you. But they you know, they do all

1758
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 7: the triage. You know, literally why bullets are flying, and

1759
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 7: they're like just you know, and oh, I when I

1760
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 7: was doing these interviews with these EMTs, I like you, Courtney,

1761
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 7: I got like emotional about it.

1762
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 3: Was sure, how are you?

1763
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 7: How are you doing this? Like a lot of them,

1764
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:22,720
Speaker 7: not a lot, but many of them had like mental

1765
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 7: health products and yeah, because their home life is falling

1766
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 7: apart because they're never home and then they're out at

1767
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 7: night driving around saving lives.

1768
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 3: For fourteen hours night. Wow.

1769
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1770
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:39,720
Speaker 7: And it was very very very interesting. And remember what

1771
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 7: I was doing, I don't remember. We did so many

1772
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 7: weird things.

1773
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 2: Well first responders, we again, just thank you, thank you. Yeah,

1774
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 2: what'd say? Yeah, let's let's get one market.

1775
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 3: We have one more, and this one is from someone

1776
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 3: we all know well. Feels like she was left out

1777
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:01,799
Speaker 3: yesterday when we were talking about our favorite Halloween movies.

1778
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 3: So let's let's go to that one.

1779
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 18: Hi, guys, this is Ava again, and I just want

1780
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:07,479
Speaker 18: to say that I agree with body that to me,

1781
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:11,680
Speaker 18: for movies that don't have a supernatural element and are

1782
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 18: real people doing real horrible things are so much scarier

1783
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 18: to me than horror movies that involved like ghosts or

1784
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 18: Vemon's or whatever, because you know it could really happen

1785
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 18: to you. So I was just wondering if you guys

1786
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 18: are more scared of like supernatural scary movies or real

1787
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 18: life scared.

1788
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:34,440
Speaker 3: Ah. That's Ava, our producer here on our show.

1789
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 7: Feeling little.

1790
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 2: You're never left out, man.

1791
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:40,639
Speaker 7: You are the like pillars spoke in the wed It's

1792
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 7: literally the spoke in the land.

1793
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:47,960
Speaker 2: For me. Definitely real people. I mean the creep next

1794
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 2: door who doesn't look like a creep is this way

1795
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 2: scarier than any monster you're gonna throw at me.

1796
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 7: I would say the same, Courtney, but I have to

1797
01:32:56,120 --> 01:33:00,360
Speaker 7: tell you I'm also really scared of alien movies. I

1798
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 7: am so scared of alien movies, any kind, It doesn't

1799
01:33:03,439 --> 01:33:06,520
Speaker 7: matter what kind, any kind of alien movie, I'm terrified.

1800
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:08,760
Speaker 7: Close Encounters are the third kind. When I was a

1801
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:14,480
Speaker 7: little girl, doom doo doo doo doo. Yeah, yeah, I

1802
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:15,960
Speaker 7: was so scared.

1803
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 12: E T.

1804
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:19,679
Speaker 7: I loved ET. That was so wholesome, and my brothers

1805
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 7: initials are ET. We called it MET. I loved ET,

1806
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 7: but Close Encounters terrified me, and all the subsequent alien

1807
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:29,679
Speaker 7: movies that have come out since absolutely frightened.

1808
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 3: I love it. Oh, scary, Mine is supernatural. But I'll

1809
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 3: tell you about it why when we talk tomorrow.

1810
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:37,160
Speaker 2: So okay, I'm old you too. And also tomorrow we're

1811
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 2: going to have journalists Paige Stockton, who's going to join

1812
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:44,559
Speaker 2: us to discuss the Gods that Misfits murder trial. Yeah,

1813
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 2: so that's going to be a really interesting unpack. So listen,

1814
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:50,760
Speaker 2: have a beautiful night. Thank you for being with us

1815
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 2: this night, and until tomorrow, be safe and be good

1816
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 2: or be good at it.