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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is Bodybacks. It's hard

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Speaker 1: to imagine, Dave, how an individual can be so disconnected

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Speaker 2: Now that's they're helping to search because nobody knew Markayla

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Speaker 2: I know, we have the smell of decomposition, but yes,

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Speaker 2: As That's what I was going to tell you that

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Speaker 2: you find the mother. Not in this case, they did

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Speaker 2: She had been dead and put into a plastic tub

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Speaker 2: There's something I walked in the hallway earlier in my hallway, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: We have to go back to this car that's out

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Speaker 1: But they opened the trunk of this car Dave out

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Speaker 2: How do you figure all of those things out?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, one of the problems that you encounter

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Speaker 1: These precious babies, Dave. We begin to think about what

432
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: they maybe have had to endure allegedly at the hands

433
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: of this man, who, Let's face it, if you're a

434
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: man and you take on the responsibility of providing a

435
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: roof over somebody's head and they have kids, you're responsible

436
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: for those kids. I mean, I've got to say it

437
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: plainly right here, and that trust has been to say

438
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: that it's been violated as a gross understatement.

439
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 2: Benjamin Taylor has a history of domestic violence show against

440
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 2: women that live with him, love him, care for him.

441
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: He has a history so much though that he had

442
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 2: he knew he's not getting out of jail again. That's

443
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 2: how bad his back record is with women beating them.

444
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 2: I guess I can say that right. He's been convicted

445
00:27:54,720 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: of domestic violence. So Benjamin Taylor expected because of death

446
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 2: and how the three died. You know, Mom and I

447
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 2: look Joe. Whenever we're talking about men and women, people fight,

448
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: They do stupid things to one another. What can a

449
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 2: seven month old do to anybody? What can a four

450
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: year old do to anybody?

451
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: It's I don't understand it. It's almost like these children

452
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: and their mother, by the way, are just disposable. But

453
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: when you consider when they were able to get their

454
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: bodies back to the medical Examiner's office there in Charlotte,

455
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: when you have bodies that are first off, they're hidden away,

456
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: they're out of view, and they're obscured in some way,

457
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: they're wrapped in something. It was one of the most

458
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: chilling things for me, because when you bring a body

459
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: in you're trying to be as clinical and squared away

460
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: in your mind as you possibly can be, because every

461
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: time you unfold a layer relative to some kind of

462
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: covering like a blanket or a plastic bag, you don't

463
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: know what's going to be hiding underneath it. And there's

464
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: almost you can, at least I could. I could feel

465
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: the tension rise in my stomach every time I did this,

466
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't know the people. You know, it's just

467
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: a case that I happen to be working at that

468
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: point in time. But you never know what each layer

469
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: is going to reveal when you get there. And I

470
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: most of the time, when you have a case involving

471
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 1: a triple homicide, you think about, was it done in

472
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: an expeditious manner? Okay? That with somebody executed shot in

473
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: the back of the head. Okay, Dave, there's there's no

474
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: evidence of that. There's no evidence a stabbing here. So

475
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: you're seeing the bodies where they have face coverings on.

476
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: I think with Mom, she's restrained and tied and she

477
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: has a bag over her head. Maybe you're going to

478
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: think that this is a suffocation. Perhaps, and maybe it was,

479
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: but this is what they discovered with her when they

480
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: were able to examine her body. They didn't note any trauma,

481
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: but the toxicology revealed everything for them. They were able

482
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: to find a heavy concentration of fentanyl actually in her liver,

483
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: and that's one of the central areas that where this

484
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: drug is processed. And you're so far down the line

485
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: here relative to decompositional changes, that one of the things

486
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: that we will do in the morgue with say an

487
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: organ like the liver, we will take it and we'll

488
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: spin it down and liquefy it, and it will be

489
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: literally drawn up and it'll be analyzed and you can

490
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: find a substance like fentanyl. You can find cocaine as

491
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: well and these other things in the liver, and that's

492
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: what they would have had to have done at this

493
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: point due to decompositional changes. They found that in her

494
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: system as well as well as narcan, which is fascinating

495
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: to me because I don't it's almost like the kitchen

496
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: sink is being thrown at her perhaps in a poisoning

497
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: like this.

498
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: It sounded to me like it was an overdose. He

499
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: tried to save her and he couldn't bring her back

500
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: like they were using drugs. He tried to use narcanda

501
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: bring her back from an overdose. And when she died,

502
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: he being whatever, he took the path of the leaves

503
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: for resistance and wrapped her up, left her in the bag,

504
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: set everything so nobody could find it right away, so

505
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: you'd have plenty of time to get away. And then

506
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: you've got him putting the babies in the trunk of

507
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: his car. And how did they die, Joe, So that's

508
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: if we know how they died, then that might help

509
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: understand a little bit. Because she's dead. The narcan makes

510
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: me think maybe he didn't kill her on purpose, But

511
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: the two children are dead, and I don't picture a

512
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: four year old and a seven month old using drugs

513
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: and needing narcan, you know from an overdose.

514
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: No, And I think that you've really hit on something here.

515
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: And look, we don't know yet. We're going to find

516
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: out as this process works its way through the system

517
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: with her, if this is ever going to be alluded to,

518
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: and I'm hoping that in look, the defense will do

519
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: what the defense will do in this case. You know,

520
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: I see an attack on the horizon relative to her

521
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: and her character. Perhaps maybe that is what happened. But

522
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: you know, these babies, you know, we worked or we

523
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: covered rather you remember this case out of New York.

524
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: I guess it was last year where these kids were

525
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: in a daycare and they were exposed to fentanyl. Do

526
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: you recall I remember that?

527
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: Naw, God, they were on the mat naps, there was

528
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: the fundation underneath the flooring.

529
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: And it was being processed in this location. So you

530
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 1: begin to think about that, but how do you But

531
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: we do have a clue here, Dave, because when miracles body,

532
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: who's four, When Miracle Johnson's body was examined, the medical

533
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: examiner found small bruises around her mouth and her jaw,

534
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: and oh, my gosh, this is so horrific. I'm thinking

535
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: that this child may have been force fed fentanyl, Dave,

536
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: and given an od of this drug. And it wouldn't

537
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: take much, you know, I mean just a few grains

538
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: of this stuff can certainly kill an adult, how much

539
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: more so you know, a small child, and this child,

540
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: this baby takes this on board, and in order to

541
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: ensure that this child ingested it, perhaps just perhaps her

542
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: mouth was held closed because of what they did find

543
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: were small bruises around the mouth and the jaw, and

544
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: it's almost in the medical examiner opined that it was

545
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: as if an adult had squeezed the mouth shut. We

546
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: get this in child abuse cases as well, with where

547
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: children are suffocated. Many times the frenulum, which is a

548
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: little connective tissue between the upper and the lower lips,

549
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: between those structures and the gum, and you'll get these

550
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: little braided areas there where the tissue is actually torn.

551
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: I'm wondering what they found relative to those insults as well.

552
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: Did those exist? But there's some evidence apparently that the

553
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: child's mouth had been held closed. And then we go

554
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: to and this is again they found fentanyl in the system.

555
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure that they probably had to render down the

556
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: liver in that case as well to find.

557
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: The sassia in the seven month old.

558
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, well yeah, because with with Messiah, what's

559
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 1: fascinating about this is that they're saying that this seven

560
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 1: month old actually had not just fentanyl, but the seven

561
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: month old had cocaine in their system.

562
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: And Okay, now, Joe, they have yet to release miracles

563
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: autopsy report yet, Yes, and I'm wondering why that is.

564
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: You mentioned that Miracle had other signs, you know, on

565
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 2: her face and what have you, in her arm, her

566
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 2: hands were tired. But with the case of Messiah again,

567
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: a seven month o little boy and the autopsy says

568
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 2: he has ventanyl and cocaine. How would a child? Yeah,

569
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: I mean seven months old, they're crawling and rolling. I

570
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: mean they how do they get that? I mean unless

571
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: it's injected. Can they find out if it was injected?

572
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: Are these bodies going to be too?

573
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

574
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm not yet.

575
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: That's okay, It's it's one of the realities that we

576
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: deal with. You would you would look for that we

577
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: abbreviated I call it npws. Those are needle puncture wounds

578
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: is actually what's used. Uh, but that's more difficult to

579
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: detect as decomposition continues on.

580
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: Now, can they figure out when they've died? Can they?

581
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: Can they get it to me?

582
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: Not not not an absolute pinpoint time at which they died.

583
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: You can look at the degree of decomposition and kind

584
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: of pick up on the idea that they have been down.

585
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: You can brack at the time, and I would imagine

586
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: that the closest they would be able to come is

587
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: probably weeks. That's going to be about his narrow So

588
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: if someone is going back chronologically and looking at a

589
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: specific date, no, no, unless you had videography of him

590
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: actually perpetrating the crime. That's time stamp. There's no way

591
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: to do that. I think that they give us far

592
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: too much credit and forensics for being able to narrow

593
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: it down. Times we can't narrow it down that far.

594
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: But with the youngest child, it's almost like they had

595
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: a cocktail on board because it wasn't just fentanyl. There

596
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: was also cocaine, which is stimulant, the polar opposite of fentanyl.

597
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: And you know, we've talked about the death of John

598
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: Belushi would speedball and that's a combination. That was a

599
00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: combination of heroin and cocaine. Fentanyl is is a synthetic

600
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: opioid and it's I don't know, it's one hundred times

601
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: more powerful than morphine. To give to frame that for

602
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: you, you combine that with cocaine, and that is a recipe

603
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 1: for a disaster. And not only that, the child had

604
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: diphenhodromine in their system, which is the ingredient in benadrill

605
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: that makes you sleepy, and they had melatonin. His child

606
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: had melatonin in their system as well. So you've got

607
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 1: all of these forces that are at work in this tiny,

608
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: tiny little body. Dave I don't mind that have resulted

609
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: in a death here. So now you guys have to

610
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: figure out. We know last time anybody talked to mark

611
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: Ela it was January twentieth. We know there was communication

612
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: from her phone for some time after that, but they

613
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: do not believe it was from her.

614
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 2: They. By the way, when we mentioned earlier that police

615
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: were able to find out March sixth that Benjamin Taylor

616
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: had left town, I want to be crystal clear. They're

617
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: not saying he left town March sixth. What they're saying

618
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 2: is on that date they were able to find surveillance

619
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: video of him leaving on a bus leaving the state.

620
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: Don't know when that was. It could have been January

621
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: twenty first. Okay, we don't know. They haven't put that

622
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 2: out there yet. I spent half the day looking for that,

623
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 2: going come on, you got to tell me something here.

624
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: So we don't know what day they turned that up.

625
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 2: We'll find out he was found. Benjamin Taylor was tracked

626
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 2: down after the Markla was found. By the way, they

627
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: found Markla's body and did not find the children right away,

628
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: Think about that for just a minute, Joe, what do

629
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: you do as an investigator? You've got the mother. You know,

630
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: there's two children around here. You have to go home

631
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: not knowing because they did not find them that day,

632
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: they had to come back the next day and look again.

633
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: Do you put police? So are investigators at the scenes

634
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: and nobody messes with the apartment or the car? Does

635
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: the car get taken to the police station. Do they

636
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: leave it in the parking lot? What goes on to

637
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 2: secure the scenes when you've got two people missing and

638
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: the one person you were looking for now is dead.

639
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the immediate you would lock down that apartment

640
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: and in an ideal a situation, you would have an

641
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: officer at that site, securing that location as long as

642
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: you possibly could, particularly with these missing kits, because you

643
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: don't know what else is going to be revealed. If

644
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: there's an indication, for instance, that you believe just you

645
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: know from your senses, okay, that maybe you smell decomposition

646
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 1: from the car. Remember if you go into that trunk

647
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: of the car when you think about a warrant, you're

648
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: going because that's considered be like a hidden space. Okay,

649
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: So if there's an acute event where you can hear

650
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: somebody you know inside the try banging around the trunk.

651
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: You can pop that thing open, because that's an emergent issue.

652
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: But if you have to go into like a hidden

653
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: space into a car, you're going to have to get

654
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: a warrant in order to do that. And I'm really

655
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: wondering if that's not what took place, and particularly if

656
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: you suspect that those children's bodies might be in there,

657
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: you want to treat that car as delicately as you

658
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: possibly can, because understand this, that car is a pivot

659
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: point in this case, because you can put the babies

660
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: in there. Obviously, you have this car that he owned,

661
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: and you can put him adjacent to that car. You

662
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: suspect that he may have had something to do with

663
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: them being placed inside that car, So there might be

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Speaker 1: any different types of evidence that are contained in there.

665
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: So what would you do. You would flatbed that car

666
00:41:54,760 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: into an evidence garage, probably there in Charlotte. You would

667
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: process that car completely all the way through. You would

668
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 1: expect to find evidence of DNA of all members of

669
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: this family. They're living together, so it would be expected

670
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: you would find some essence of the children within the car,

671
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: say in the back seats, maybe on the front seat.

672
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: Mom's DNA there and certainly his the owners. But then

673
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: you would take great care to open up the trunk

674
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: because for all you know, you might have latent prints

675
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: that are still there, particularly on the underside where it

676
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: is protected from the elements. And also you had mentioned

677
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: plastic dave with these babies. Plastic is a non poor surface.

678
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: So if in fact you have these plastic coverings on

679
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: the bodies and you can lift a print off of

680
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: those plastic coverings that are covering those bodies, that's why

681
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: you have to be so delicate with this. You can

682
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: put him handling those bodies that are wrapped in bags.

683
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: That's why you have to take such great care with this.

684
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: Now that we have the results from the autopsy, we

685
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 2: know that Benjamin Taylor has been extradited back. He was caught,

686
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: by the way, and he was caught, believe it or not,

687
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 2: in southern California right there at the border with Mexico.

688
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: They suspected that he had the means to get across

689
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: the border and go away. He didn't make it. He

690
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: already has been back in Charlotte in Mecklenburg County Jail.

691
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,479
Speaker 2: He's being held without bond due to his previous track

692
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 2: record of domestic violence and his laundry list of crimes

693
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: that go back to two thousand and seven. This is

694
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 2: a thirty four year old man. Again, remember Mark Kayla

695
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 2: was twenty two years old. Her children were four years

696
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: old and seven months old. Joe, so what do we

697
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: wait for now? They're not giving him bond.

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00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: No, he's going to be held without bond. He's back

699
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 1: in custody. He was extradited actually from Imperial County, California,

700
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: which does in fact border as you mentioned, Mexico, and

701
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: he's now back in Charlotte, North Carolina, where there'll be

702
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: a series of hearings that will take place, and he

703
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: is in fact being held without bond. It's a horrible case. Absolutely,

704
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: It makes everything else pale when you think about the

705
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: lives that have been diminished here and lost as a

706
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: result of this, and not just the lives of these

707
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: precious babies and this mother, but also Michaela's family that

708
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 1: are grieving their loss. We're going to stay on top

709
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: of this case and we'll probably do a follow up

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00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: as time goes by. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this

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Speaker 1: is Body Backs