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Speaker 1: for listening to the Herd Podcast. Yeah, it's hard to

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Speaker 1: deny how good the Packers look yesterday. Now the Packers

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Speaker 1: have continuity. Jeff Hafley the defensive coordinator in year two,

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Speaker 1: I mean they just kind of plugged in Micah Parsons.

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Speaker 1: But you know, these young receivers now have been there

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Speaker 1: lot of continuity in Green Bay. That was an advantage

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Speaker 1: over Detroit, traveling new coordinators, breaking in new interior offensive linemen.

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Speaker 1: So there was a lot of movement by the Lions.

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Speaker 1: But I think Hikah Parsons only played forty percent of

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Speaker 2: And here's Micah after.

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Speaker 3: The last six months was super draining, super toxic for everyone.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's something that you know, I don't think

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Speaker 3: no players should have to go through. I could have

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Speaker 3: done with these guys getting better and better, and we

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Speaker 3: I'm just happy that's behind. These guys embraced me. They

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Speaker 1: And the other thing is because of Micah is sort

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Speaker 1: force you. He'll be double teamed a lot that is clear,

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Speaker 1: and he'll open up Rashaun Gary. He's going to open

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Speaker 4: The unknown for an offense.

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Speaker 5: When you're growing up, when you're going up again against

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Speaker 5: play on you. You don't know like our whole you know,

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Speaker 5: before you drop any pass plays, you drop your projection schemes,

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Speaker 5: Kevin a great closer in baseball, Like we hey, we

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Speaker 5: Gonna have a game changing play.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna close the door.

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Speaker 6: We're gonna we're gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just a pretty impressive to watch. He

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Speaker 1: like this roster had a big hole. But in a

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Speaker 1: start looking around the division. Dan Campbell offensive coach. They

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Speaker 7: This is the Herdline News.

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Speaker 4: So we can't get to every game, but we haven't

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Speaker 4: Buca had an unbelievable game. I have him on my

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Speaker 4: fantasy team. Four catches, sixty seven yards, two tundies, including

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Speaker 4: the game winner late in the fourth. Here's Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 8: I think the way he carries himself. I've told you

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Speaker 8: doesn't play like a rookie, doesn't act like a rookie.

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Speaker 2: You know, did you notice what he said?

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Speaker 1: Adult doesn't play like a rookie, doesn't act like a rookie.

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Speaker 1: is So this is what I had predicted before the season.

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Speaker 4: And if you watch the replay, Baker did an amazing

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Speaker 4: the falul because my one loss on Friday night that

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Speaker 4: By the way, by a Meca, I mean, that's just

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Speaker 1: Well, I think Baker has found a star receiver. And

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Speaker 4: By the way, the kicker on Atlanta usually make I'm

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Speaker 4: AP Top twenty five was released. Here we go Florida

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Speaker 4: the biggest loser. Oh my gosh, they lost to us.

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Speaker 4: After they're done, however, the sec Are you ready? Eleven

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Speaker 2: I was there?

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Speaker 1: Pretty interesting, They're pretty interesting Offensively, they're pretty good.

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Speaker 4: Are who you booting here? Are they better than any?

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Speaker 1: I told you I'm not blown away by Michigan replacing

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Speaker 4: Yeah, by the way, what is Clemson doing at twelve.

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma is probably a little better than thirteen. We had

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they scored like seventy seven points or something like that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, FSU is making some early statements here, Colin,

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Speaker 4: all right, let's get to the final story. It's a

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Speaker 4: special one. Today is a historic day. Coward. Ten years

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Speaker 4: ago September eight, twenty fifteen, the Herd launch on FS one,

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Speaker 4: twenty four hundred plus shows on Fox, Colin, how many

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Speaker 4: twenty four hundred shows? More than twenty four hundred on

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Speaker 4: here on Fox. Everybody's happy for your run, and they

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Speaker 4: put together a real of your funniest moments. I know

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Speaker 4: you love this.

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Speaker 1: When I'm seventy doing this show and do this, don't

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Speaker 1: call me crazy old man. I'm crazy, middle aged man.

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Speaker 1: I am dressed as Aaron Rodgers. I used to coach

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Speaker 1: Stanford I'm Jim Harlock. I beat USC so bad. I

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Speaker 2: God, give me a.

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Speaker 4: Brunch, jill me your boy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, b is that Uncle Colin brings big Jay journalism

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Speaker 2: don't do drugs on Christmas. I as a kill, was

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Speaker 4: I think the hair is really well. You've got a

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Speaker 4: great job with your hair. It just looks sharper.

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Speaker 1: That's literally what you took from all that. I really

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Speaker 1: like your receding hairline.

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Speaker 4: No, no, it looks good.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: You got the silver fox thing going on?

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah whatever, No, it's been amazing. It is a

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Speaker 1: gratitude across the board is I've been doing this for

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Speaker 1: a long time. Easily the best crew, best partner I've

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Speaker 1: ever had. We have total support for management. We never

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Speaker 1: a cake, and management shows up like seagulls whenever we

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Speaker 2: In the break room so that you know, damn, listen,

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Speaker 1: That's the only reason I said, so, no, don't you

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 4: You know, we have a lie. I will say, you

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Speaker 4: did ghost me this weekend rare Sunday with no texts

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Speaker 4: from Calvert. I was like, well, I'm just have a

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Speaker 2: Labor intensive Sunday. I don't have time.

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Speaker 1: I'm out there, you know, puffing cigar masonry, working the

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Speaker 7: J Mack of the news, Well that's the news, and

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Speaker 1: Tyler Dunn's going to join us before the end of

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Speaker 1: the show. So I was thinking, do we have the

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Speaker 1: Well, He's published a three part series called House of

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Speaker 1: Tyler Dunn, an NFL writer the founder of golongtd dot com.

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Speaker 1: It's long form journalism if you've got thirty or forty minutes.

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Speaker 1: I read it yesterday. I had two friends in Chicago,

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Speaker 10: Thanks for having me, Colin, and I think he nailed it.

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Speaker 10: I think that roles were really reversed in this case.

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Speaker 10: The Chicago Bears were not interviewing Caleb Williams to be

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Speaker 6: And look justifiably.

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Speaker 10: So as we get into the dysfunction there in Chicago

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Speaker 10: the NFL by GMS. But that's Caleb Williams's best friend.

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Speaker 10: So he's on the practice squad. He wants to change

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Speaker 10: set go. They eliminate checks, they eliminate audibles. They kind

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Speaker 10: of try to make this thing as Caleb friendly as possible.

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Speaker 10: And it is a tough middle ground because you got

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Speaker 10: There was you know, you try to tell him something,

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Speaker 6: He would turn around and walk the other direction.

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Speaker 10: It happened early, and it continued right on through that

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Speaker 2: So it was bad.

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Speaker 6: You know, they'd be in meetings.

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Speaker 10: I had coached tell me that he'd ask Caleb Williams

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Speaker 6: Many, many specific examples cited.

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Speaker 10: And you know what, the Bears coaches are not completely

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Speaker 6: So maybe Ben Jonson, with a full off season is

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Speaker 1: So Ryan Poles does not come off well. Essentially, according

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Speaker 1: Ryan Poles decided, for reasons you describe, were taking Caleb,

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Speaker 10: There was no process. It was Caleb Williams all the way.

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Speaker 10: I mean. And look, if Caleb Williams is a Hall

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Speaker 10: But we're talking as early as Kayleb Williams winning that

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Speaker 10: By the time all the scouts got in the room together,

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Speaker 10: When it came to Calebilliams. Remember the Notre Dame game,

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Speaker 10: he was discussed, but kind of through rose colored glasses, like, look,

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Speaker 6: I talked to somebody in Jane Daniels's camp about this.

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Speaker 10: It was it was so insincere by that point that

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Speaker 10: and it's look, this is maybe the most consequential decision

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Speaker 1: Now, of course, Ben Johnson has power. I also think

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Speaker 1: Coach iber Flutz was on a hot seat the minute

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Speaker 10: I think the fact that there were several players that

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Speaker 10: break down the team after practice and didn't really know

436
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Speaker 10: what to say, didn't really know how to say it.

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Speaker 6: So they kind of stopped doing it. He was named

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Speaker 6: a captain.

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Speaker 10: The coaches themselves told me that, yeah, we named him

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Speaker 10: a captain, but he really wasn't voted to be a captain.

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Speaker 10: You know, there weren't really much There wasn't much route

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Speaker 10: running after practice, little things like that.

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Speaker 6: They set up these meetings to.

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Speaker 10: Get together with the lineman go over some pass protection stuff.

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Speaker 10: A meeting like that was optional. It matters most to

446
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Speaker 10: Caleb Williams. He didn't show up to show up to those.

447
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Speaker 10: I think by the time, like some of these veterans

448
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Speaker 10: heard about the video games being played at night instead

449
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Speaker 10: of maybe looking at film, that did eventually irritate players

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Speaker 10: in that locker room.

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Speaker 6: Look, he's not just hated by everyone.

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Speaker 10: A locker room has full of different players, different personalities,

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Speaker 10: and there are players in there I'm sure that would

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Speaker 10: go to war for Caleb Williams, But there's also players

455
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Speaker 10: in there that say his leadership style is something very

456
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Speaker 10: very different than the than they've ever seen.

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Speaker 6: So is that something that you just kind of turn

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Speaker 6: on right.

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Speaker 10: Maybe with experience, maybe with being around these guys, he

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Speaker 10: can develop. But I think number one Colin this is

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Speaker 10: what the coaches say, the scouts, people in Cabiliams pass.

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Speaker 10: He's got to kind of look in the mirror and

463
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Speaker 10: realize it's on me. I've got to take accountability here

464
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Speaker 10: because football, frankly, has always come easy to Caleb Bullings.

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Speaker 10: There's a GM who kind of broke down this scene

466
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Speaker 10: at USC pregame. Caleboys is out there pre pregame early

467
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Speaker 10: and it's the most dynamite workout.

468
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Speaker 6: This GM had seen lasers, daggers.

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Speaker 10: He's all into it, but by the time the whole

470
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Speaker 10: team was there for a pregame routine, he's screwing around.

471
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Speaker 10: He's throwing it left handed, he's not taking it serious.

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Speaker 10: I mean, that's kind of Cambilliams in a nutshelling. He's

473
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Speaker 10: got all the talent in the world, and all the

474
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Speaker 10: talent in the world has led to Heisman trophies, being

475
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Speaker 10: the first overall pick, being annoyed at the Chicago Bear Savior,

476
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Speaker 10: but being a successful starting quarterback.

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Speaker 6: This is a theme. It takes more than talent. It

478
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Speaker 6: takes more than tail.

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Speaker 10: It takes all of these little things that go on

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Speaker 10: behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: Finally, is his relationship with Ben Johnson. What does your

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Speaker 1: intel tell you on Because I would think we've all

483
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Speaker 1: had an average boss. Then we get a great boss

484
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Speaker 1: and it doesn't take long to figure out as an employee.

485
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Speaker 1: I got to get my stuff in order with this boss.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what's the Ben Johnson Caleb dynamic?

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Speaker 10: Now, Matt, everybody that I talk to is fascinated by

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Speaker 10: this relationship between Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams. Because think

489
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Speaker 10: back to last year when Thomas Brown, an old school

490
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Speaker 10: head coach, is trying to tell Caleb Williams something during

491
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Speaker 10: that Seattle game and Caleb.

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Speaker 6: Williams just walks away. Right, Okay, Ben Johnson is old

493
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Speaker 6: school too. Ben Johnson has an office and he wants

494
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Speaker 6: to run.

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Speaker 10: He's not going to bend and twist and contor and

496
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Speaker 10: change everything. This is an opportunity that he has worked

497
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Speaker 10: his entire life for. You know, one of his former

498
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Speaker 10: colleagues said, Ben is the kind of guy that will

499
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Speaker 10: lock himself into an office and search for every answer

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Speaker 10: to every.

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Speaker 6: Question that his team could possibly face on game day.

502
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Speaker 10: So he is going to give Caleb Williams e the

503
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Speaker 10: perfect scenario starting.

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Speaker 6: Tonight against the Minnesota Vikings.

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Speaker 10: I've got no doubt about it that Ben Johnson has

506
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Speaker 10: the answers. I mean, you saw it Therevic Detroit. But

507
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Speaker 10: also it takes to the tango. When that clay clock

508
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Speaker 10: hit hits fifteen seconds, that headset shut off. It's all

509
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Speaker 10: on the quarterback to maybe check to a different play,

510
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 10: to see that safety coming down and know, all right,

511
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Speaker 10: I got to send the run the other direction, or

512
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Speaker 10: I got to send some protection and do all of

513
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Speaker 10: those little things that go into being a successful quarterback.

514
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Speaker 6: Maybe Caleb Williams is there right like maybe everything that

515
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Speaker 6: happened last year, he knows the truth. He knows he

516
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Speaker 6: has to evolve.

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Speaker 10: Last year, I mean, coaches described the worst Friday walkers

518
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Speaker 10: they've ever seen in their lives.

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Speaker 1: I heard that choice, I heard that my two sources

520
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Speaker 1: that were at Bears games on Friday that the walkthroughs

521
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Speaker 1: on Friday were horrible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, So you know Ben Johnson will He's not going

524
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Speaker 10: to dumb down the offense and tailor it to Caleb.

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Speaker 10: He's going to run his stuff. He has set himself

526
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Speaker 10: at a podium. They loaded his plate up with everything,

527
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Speaker 10: so now we see if he can handle it.

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Speaker 6: Maybe he can.

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Speaker 1: Tyler don it is golongtd dot com. I mean last

530
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Speaker 1: year the Bears allowed the most sacks, worst total offense,

531
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Speaker 1: FEUs yards per play it all. They reboot it tonight

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Speaker 1: and Tyler Isolah's great work and thank you.

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Speaker 6: Thanks so much for hav McCollum.

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Speaker 2: You bet it just makes it fasten.

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Speaker 1: We don't know JJ McCarthy either, and there's been reports

536
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Speaker 1: about JJ McCarthy's a little bit unsettled.

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Speaker 2: We'll find out. It makes them.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to get Bill's Ravens offensively tonight. I

539
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Speaker 1: think that's realistic. I think the story of the game

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Speaker 1: is Caleb Williams against Brian Flores, the defensive coordinator for

541
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Speaker 1: the Vikings. That to me feels like the story of

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Speaker 1: the game. So you know, you watch football and you

543
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Speaker 1: know you think, oh, this guy played well, this guy

544
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Speaker 1: did not play well. So PFF graded. They take every pass,

545
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Speaker 1: every decision by quarterbacks, every single one. This is what

546
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Speaker 1: they do. PFF grated the top ten passers starting Thursday night.

547
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Speaker 1: Cowboys Eagles. Do we have the order?

548
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Speaker 2: First?

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Speaker 1: One's a little bit of a surprise is Matt Stafford.

550
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Speaker 1: Although he played really, really well, he didn't score a

551
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Speaker 1: lot of points, but it shows you it's not just

552
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Speaker 1: about throwing touchdowns. You're talking about high grade throws, not

553
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Speaker 1: missing open targets and reads.

554
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Speaker 2: So Matt Stafford won. I am not surprised.

555
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Speaker 1: Justin Fields was two, Dak Prescott three, the great Samy

556
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Speaker 1: Darnold number four. Josh Allen only falls to five. I

557
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: know it's funny. I know it's there should be there

558
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Speaker 1: should be like a Josh Allen grade because just the

559
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Speaker 1: PFF should come up with another grade. Could anybody in

560
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Speaker 1: the world make this throw that Josh just made six?

561
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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert seven, Gino Smith, Gino played well against New England,

562
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Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels eight, Joe Burrow nine, who was under attack,

563
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Speaker 1: Jordan Love ten, So I think we were. I would

564
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Speaker 1: have guessed Josh Allen was like two or three, one,

565
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Speaker 1: two or three.

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Speaker 4: One data point Colin, that's all this is for the

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Speaker 4: Come on, Josh Allen only number five? Well, well, I

568
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 4: mean Justin Herbert six. I thought of the ball. Justin

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Speaker 4: Herbert was eight for eight on the go ahead drive

570
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Speaker 4: to get the touchdown against Chee's like, come on against Bagnolo,

571
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 4: like Herbert was amazing. Don't tell me that Dak Prescott,

572
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 4: by the way, is throwing some awesome passes. Don't tell

573
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Speaker 4: me Dak and Darnold were better than Herbert and Allen.

574
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Speaker 2: Come on, I did the PFF.

575
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Speaker 4: You how is Joe Burrow ninety through FO one hundred

576
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Speaker 4: and fourteen yards? Well that's like.

577
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Speaker 1: They're yeah, I understand they're they're grading every drop back

578
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: decisions like Justin Fields, by the way, one of his

579
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Speaker 1: things is he had no off target throws, meaning if

580
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Speaker 1: a guy was open, Justin Fields hit him every time.

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Speaker 7: The way.

582
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Speaker 4: I don't see Lamar Jackson on there. They hung a

583
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Speaker 4: forty burger on the bills.

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Speaker 2: Well, that goes back to.

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Speaker 1: It goes back to what you you know, you're a fan,

586
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Speaker 1: You see something, you think, how are they graded?

587
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Speaker 4: So I'm looking on PFF right now and there's this

588
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 4: thing called big time throws. Now, I don't know who's

589
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Speaker 4: grading those, but Matt Stafford had five led the league.

590
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott had four, as did Josh Allen. So that is,

591
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Speaker 4: you know, something that goes into the auffage.

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Speaker 1: That's quite a show. It flew bottled move Baby, we'll

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Speaker 1: see tomorrow.