1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, Time, Luck and Load. 2 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 2: From Michael Arry Show is on the air. It's Charlie 3 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: from BlackBerry Smoke. I can feel a good one coming on. 4 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: It's the Michael Berry Show. 5 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 3: Any attempt to restrict drinking and driving here is viewed 6 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 3: by some as downright undemocratic. 7 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 4: Two six packs shattered that in Nancid putet Ladder, Luggas 8 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 4: Jackson a fifth of patrol. 9 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: Pass down Edictlue. 10 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 4: Already post Baton named Mike Netter that I follow and 11 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 4: he said. Lois Gibson holds the world record for the 12 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 4: most identifications made by a forensic artist. Since joining the 13 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 4: Houston Police Department in nineteen eighty nine, her detailed sketches 14 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 4: became a powerful tool for solving crimes. By twenty twelve, 15 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 4: her work had contributed to cracking one two hundred and 16 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 4: sixty six cases. She would work another nine years, so 17 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 4: who knows how many. Gibson officially retired in twenty twenty one, 18 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 4: leaving behind a legendary legacy as the most accomplished and 19 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 4: prolific forensic sketch artist in history. Lois became a sketch 20 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 4: artist after surviving an attack by someone. Later found to 21 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 4: be a serial rapist and murder. She took her pain 22 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:31,919 Speaker 4: in trauma and made it into something to help others. 23 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 4: We should all hope to be the type of person 24 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 4: who could turn trauma into power. So I read this. 25 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 4: I started calling popo that I knew, and they would say, oh, yeah, 26 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 4: Lois Gibson, she's a legend. Called assistant district's attorneys over 27 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 4: the legend. So one of them said, call you, buddy 28 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 4: ray Hunt, he'll know her. So I did, and he did, 29 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 4: and it really is an amazing story, an absolutely amazing story. 30 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 4: And she's our guest. Leis welcome to the program. 31 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: Oh hey, Michael, I'll try to be nice to you. 32 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: Oh please, I don't know what the alternative would be. 33 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: Well, I'm really strong and I'm persuasive on the phone, 34 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: so whatever. 35 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. 36 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: Anyway, it's great to be here. Y'all might have to 37 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: give us something I called a legend. 38 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 4: Uh, you are a legend. First, I want to talk 39 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 4: about how you got into this. A horrible thing happened 40 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 4: to you, and you took that trauma and turned it. 41 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 4: Tell us however comfortable you are talking about what happened. 42 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: Oh, I have no problem It was fifty years ago. 43 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: I was twenty years old. I was a dancer on 44 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: TV and I modeled and the dayd movie stars are whatever. 45 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: The way before I got attacked, I decided I wanted 46 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 1: to leave LA as well. Is it ever shallow? Ooh? 47 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: And the dating is terrible? And then a man attacked 48 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: me in my apartment. He got in by a ruse. 49 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: You know, Oh, criminals don't lie. No, After working forty 50 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: years on crime, I know they lie. So he goes, 51 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: I live in the building here, and I want to 52 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: don't we just get acquainted. He was outside my door 53 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: and I was very secure building. It was near UCLA 54 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: of professors and dentists lived there, and so I thought okay, 55 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 1: and I opened the door and immediately snapped my head 56 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: almost off of my body. So he was into choking 57 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: and then he just choked me. Now it's about twenty 58 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: five minutes, but you lose track of time when you're dying. 59 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: And then he allowed me to come too. He blacked 60 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: me out, choking really well while he's attacking me, while 61 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: I's committing the quote unquote assault. So he's choking me out. 62 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: Four times I blacked out and the fourth time I 63 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: came to the way I saved myself is I laughed 64 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: at him. This true story. It just came to me 65 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: after I went to a seminar and I saw a 66 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: woman who was successfully hung to death. It was a 67 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: post mortem, a slideshell. Now I'm going back to now 68 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: two years ago, I saw a girl who successfully had 69 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: hung herself to death. So that's why I looked like 70 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: in the mirror, but I blacked it out back to 71 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: when I'm getting attacked. The fourth time I came to 72 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: I was positive I. 73 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: Was going to die. 74 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: Trust me, so weak, so very weak, after being strangled, 75 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: and he's just strangling and he's having fun strangling. So 76 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: then I thought, are you a good girl? Because this 77 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: is it, this is my eternal perspective. How am I 78 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: going to be? And I thought, yeah, I couldn't think 79 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: of anything bad I'd done. I was a little goodie 80 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: goodie girl. Then for the worst time, while I was 81 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: being choked to death, trust me, you'll close your eyes, 82 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: you will close your eyes. So I thought, okay, I 83 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: don't know why. I thought, I'll open my eyes. And 84 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: when I opened my eyes, it was the most horrific, 85 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: horrible person that I will not try to describe. But 86 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: I knew that the lowest place, the worst place in hell, 87 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: this man was going to go. And I immediately the 88 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: number one. The only feeling I had was sympathy and 89 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: compassion because he was so bad. So I thought of 90 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: him like my brother, and I thought, oh, he's terrible. 91 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: And then when I thought back to me, it made 92 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: me laugh. And if you're dying, you will laugh. So 93 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: I threw my head back well, I opened my mouth, 94 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: I gasped for breath. I came to and I got 95 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: him to finish. I got him to go limp. I 96 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: got him to exhaust himself, so he went limp, and 97 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: then we both ran for the door. I was living 98 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: in a nice apartment. We ran for the door. He 99 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: got there first. I was real weak. He pushed me 100 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: back and closed the door, and I locked all the locks, 101 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: and then I went and saw myself as a hungwoman. 102 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: Now he I forgave. Do you understand? I forgave the 103 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: man that was killing me. And while he was killing me, 104 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: That's the only way you can think of it, Because 105 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: the first and the only thing I thought was I 106 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: felt sorry for him. Isaiah took him in as a brother, 107 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: then flashed forward. I left LA. I had already saved money. 108 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: I wrote out and I moved to Texas by picking 109 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: it out on a map I had drawn. After I 110 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,679 Speaker 1: turned around seven times, five out of times, my finger 111 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: landed on Texas, and so I drove there with no friends, 112 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: no job. It just made it work. Got my degree. 113 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: That's why I came back and I started at UT 114 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: Arlington back in Anyway. It took me eight years to 115 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,799 Speaker 1: get through college. I waited tables. I love waiting tables. 116 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: I made a fortunate in today's dollars. I was making 117 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: two to three thousand, well that was doing portraits on 118 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: the riverwalk. I'm sorry, one to two thousand waiting tables. 119 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: And then I stuffed the memory down of being nearly killed. 120 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: But when I got to Texas, eventually I graduated from 121 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: UT Austin and went to the Riverwalk in San Antonio 122 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: and did tourist portraits, which is the most beautiful time 123 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: of my life. I just sat there and took cash 124 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: from people. That's when I was making around three thousand 125 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: a night, and I did beautiful fine art portraits of 126 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: kids and people on Honetingmoon's And after I was doing that, 127 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: I did about three thousand portraits, so I could draw 128 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: like a fish swims and water. I drew so good, 129 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: and then I fell in love with the guy that 130 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: I drew and moved to Houston. And then I heard 131 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: the news and I couldn't listen to the news. And 132 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: then the way I saw when I was going to 133 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: do is. I was at my girlfriend Diane's house on 134 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: Hewitt at forty third and they came on the TV 135 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: talking about a terrible rape of a lady in Galveston. 136 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: She was a dance instructor in front of her little 137 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: students who were like children, twelve eleven year old little girls. 138 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: And I was so shocked I stood up. I never 139 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: listened to the news because I couldn't stand to hear 140 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: the R word. I can't say rape. So they said that, 141 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: and I went to turn the TV off, and I 142 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: relived my attack and I told Diana, said, I could 143 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: draw that guy. Why don't they let me draw the guy? 144 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: All they do is say five Jim Brown here, brown eyes, 145 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: so go, that's everybody. And then she goes, we'll just 146 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: call the cops, and I says, no, I got a 147 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: practice hold on just a moment. 148 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 4: The most prolific sketch artist in American history, involved more 149 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 4: cases than anyone, well over one thousand. 150 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: Lois Gibson is our guests. I'm welcoming up. Michael berrychoken 151 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 2: from us far too three celebrated sketch artists. Lois Gibbs. 152 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 4: Houston Police Department for decades, well over a thousand cases 153 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 4: solved because of her sketches. It's pretty darn impressive to 154 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 4: think from memory how these things were conveyed to her, 155 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 4: and then she made it happens before we get into 156 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 4: the actual cases. 157 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: You didn't. 158 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 4: I guess you glossed over. How did you know how 159 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 4: to draw? I mean, if you were able to draw 160 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 4: those portraits of tourists, where did you learn that skill? 161 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: I don't, no, no, no, I was born with it. People. 162 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: Some people are just born and they have an urge 163 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: to just draw faces. And that was me. So anyway, 164 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: when I was with Diane, I sent her to the 165 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: gas station. She got changed and she came back. I 166 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: couldn't see the guy, and it seemed impossible. In fact, 167 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: I tried to quit, and she would push me around 168 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: and I finished drawing from her description, and then she says, 169 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: it looks like him, and I broke down. We drove 170 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: to the gas station and it looked exactly like him. 171 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: I taught myself how to do it by just having 172 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: someone look at somebody you hadn't seen before and coming 173 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: back and I can't see them, and I offered people 174 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: to do that exercise himself. I have instructions on my 175 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: Facebook page and on my Lois Gibson dot com, and 176 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: I can teach you how to do this. But back 177 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: to yes, the first time I did it. But then 178 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: here's the hard part. I needed to convince the police. 179 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: Nobody uses forensic artists. In fact that you know, the 180 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: entire country has only two states that have forensic artists, 181 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: and there's just one in Georgia who does the entire state. 182 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: She took my class, Kelly Lawson. She's better than me. 183 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: I love her, She's like my daughter. And then I 184 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: have started four artists here in Texas. The rest of 185 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: the country has none because everybody does not believe I 186 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: can do what I can do. But yes, even a 187 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: semi talented artist can draw a face that's going to 188 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: resemble the perpetrator from someone's memory. I'm positive, but I 189 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: need to convince people. I wrote a book Forensic Forensic 190 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: art Essentials. You can get it on Amazon. I have 191 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: it on my Facebook and I suffered greatly for two 192 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: years that thing. Will give it to you. I made 193 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: that book to teach you, if you're out there and 194 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: you can draw, how to be a forensic artists for 195 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: after I pass away and go to the big drawing 196 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: board in the sky. 197 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about that. So you didn't have official 198 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 4: training in that. Let's talk about a case. Paul Baker, 199 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 4: who's my private investigator and dear friend, when his brother 200 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 4: was robbed and shot. He said, Lois Gibson came to 201 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 4: the hotel. In the hotel the hospital and drew the 202 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 4: assailant the purp. When you go in, when you're brought 203 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 4: in to begin drawing a sketch, walk me through how 204 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 4: that process works. 205 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: Well, it's really easy, and I have it describing my book. 206 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: But I'm going to tell you in sixty seconds how 207 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: you do it. If you're one of these weirdo artists 208 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: like me. There's a book called the Steinberg Catalog. The 209 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: whole world uses it and it has pictures of eyes, lips, noses, etc. 210 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: Right wouldn't that be good? And you can't even if 211 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: you can't even talk. I have people who can't talk. 212 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: A four year old Caesar's parents killed. Anyway, the witness 213 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: looks picks out. You get two books. So you have 214 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: a book and they say, that's the nose, that's the lips, 215 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: and there's about two hundred per category. And that's what 216 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: I've used for years help us solve over one thousands. 217 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: So you get that book and they say it's those eyes. 218 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: You draw those eyes, these nose, draw that nose, etc. 219 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: And you do it where they're not looking. You can 220 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: pose it in good proportion. And then you say, hey, 221 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: I'll change anything you want. And then you turn it 222 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: around and do that. You change anything you want, and 223 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: that's how you do it. 224 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 4: So put yourself into the mindset of all these people 225 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 4: who had to convey something to you, and you're you're 226 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 4: like a medium. You know, you're the vessel through which 227 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 4: their memory has to has to come to life. 228 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 2: What are the shortcomings of a memory? 229 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 4: Because I think to myself, I look across the glass 230 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 4: at Ramon every day. If I sat down with you 231 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 4: right now and we had to draw him other than 232 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 4: him being bald, I don't really know that I could figure. 233 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 4: I don't know what his nose looks like, or his 234 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 4: chin or whatever else. 235 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm sure Ramon is just adorable and gorgeous. 236 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: But listen, you say what everybody else says. Everybody says 237 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 1: they can't do it, but they're wrong. I'm right, Yes 238 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: you can. I've got people that were shot fifteen times. 239 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: I've got people and walked to football fields and nearly 240 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: bled to death. And I got a sketch that got 241 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: the guy. I had a four year old, so a 242 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: parent slashed ye, I did one six years later from 243 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: a girl who couldn't speak and only blink for you. 244 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: So now, no, no, no, false. Your belief is false. 245 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: If you got with me. First of all, I know 246 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: how to relax people really good. I know how to 247 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: make you feel better better because you feel terrible. And 248 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: then if you relax enough, you can remember your third 249 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: grade school teacher, or your first kiss. What did that 250 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: person look like? It's in there. And then if I 251 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: have a feature catalog Samantha Steinberg's feature catalog, if I 252 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: give you that, you will wreck itze features that are similar. 253 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: I'm positive I have proof. But everybody believes like you, 254 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: and that's why no police department in the whole country 255 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: almost has a forensic artist, and they should all have them. 256 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: They should all am positive. Of course, you think you're 257 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: talking from the the fronelobe. You're talking about speech, and oh, 258 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, But the visual cortex is in the 259 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: back of your brain. And if I show you pictures 260 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: of noses and lips, instantly you recognize something that's similar. 261 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: Do you think that. 262 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 4: In a moment of trauma, a rape, of beating and assault, 263 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 4: these awful things that your mind locks in with greater 264 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 4: acuity than you would normally. 265 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: Finally, you're right about witness memory. Correct the worse the trauma, 266 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: the better the sketch. If you know how to handle someone, 267 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: you have to be a bag and wonderful because you're 268 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: going to meet with somebody that the worst thing in 269 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: the news just happened to them. So yeah, you just 270 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: have to get them relaxed. And there's so many techniques. 271 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: I describe them in my book Forensic Art Essentials. You 272 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: take the task away first of all, Like with you, 273 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: I'd say, oh, we don't have to draw a detailed no, no, no, no, 274 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: we just have to draw the hair. Everybody remembers hair, 275 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: and you get them relax and like, was it a 276 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: man or a woman? We're months and now, okay, we've 277 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: gotten rid of half the population of the world. It's 278 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: a man. Anyway, You just narrow it down, get the 279 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: person relaxed, and show them pictures and they will It 280 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: will reach their visual cortex, which is very vivid. I've 281 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: done this from mentally disabled people. They could drive a 282 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: car but not do masks. I've done it from a 283 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: four year old who saw his parents slash, snip and 284 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: ulysses Kansas, and you just use the book the four 285 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: year old. He only spoke Spanish. I mean, could I, 286 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: you know, have more handicapped. 287 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 2: This one moment. 288 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 4: Lois Gibson sketch Artists Extraordinaries, Our guests. 289 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: Just in here listening my very Lois Gibson is our guest. 290 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 4: She was the sketch artist for Houston Police Department for decades, 291 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 4: with a listing in the Guinness Book of World Records 292 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 4: for most crimes solved because of her sketches. Lois looking 293 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 4: at the sketches for some of the cases where the 294 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 4: guy was found. It feels like you're literally looking at 295 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 4: this photo and then drawing it because it is that good. 296 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 4: And again, part of your skill, as you said, is 297 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 4: not just drawings what's conveyed to you, but getting that 298 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 4: person to give you enough specificity to get. 299 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 2: This thing down on paper. 300 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 4: But tell me if there is one case of yours 301 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 4: that you are most proud of that you say we 302 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 4: nailed it well. 303 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: Officer Paul Deson was on patrol and a guy got 304 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: out and shot him in the head, shot him in 305 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: the back, and then as he lay on the ground 306 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: and shooter he got in the car in renove and 307 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: drug him sixty five feet so he almost died. But 308 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: I went to the hospital just a little bit later 309 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: and he was all wrapped up in gauze and he 310 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: doesn't remember doing this sketch with me that I whispered 311 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: in his ear. I knew I was just going to 312 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: be a voice, and I tried to just sound wonderful, 313 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: and I got a sketch from him and they released it. 314 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: Two guys at the jail thought he looked like the 315 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: sketch looked like a guy that was arrested for shoplifting 316 00:17:55,560 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: a chainsaw from Sears Donald the shoppers a new chainsaw 317 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: and he got caught for that, and the guys at 318 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,479 Speaker 1: the jail said that looks like the sketch, and they 319 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: had a video lineup and Paul these officers hospital and 320 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: he picked him out. And then they went to the 321 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,239 Speaker 1: scene and found the car that the shoe was in 322 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: and this is a Paul skin and uniform. We're hanging 323 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: from the undercarriage. So that was him. Now we nailed it. 324 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 1: I got him. I reached out for a helpless officer 325 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: who got killed, but he didn't die. He's the toughest guy. 326 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: I love this guy just because he's tough. But yeah, 327 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: I love that I reached out for a helpless officer. 328 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 2: Absolutely so. 329 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 4: I got an email from a fellow Tony who writes 330 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 4: Lois is awesome. I worked with her at HPD back 331 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 4: in one I took one of her sketches from the 332 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 4: roll call room at West Side and made it my 333 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 4: mission to find the Inwood rapist. While on patrol, I 334 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 4: observed a blackmail and a brown Oldsmobile driving east on 335 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 4: Briar Forrest, turning north onto Lake Side of States. The 336 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 4: driver was not wearing his seat belt, and after running 337 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 4: his plates, I found that the registration was expired. 338 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 2: He pulled into the car wash. 339 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 4: Greg Bingham's car wash and I pulled in behind him 340 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 4: conducting a traffic stop. I contacted Homicide Sex Crimes took 341 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 4: who agreed to accept a hold on the suspect, so 342 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 4: I arrested him on new traffic. When they interviewed him, 343 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 4: he confessed to his crime, to this crime and ate others. 344 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 4: It would not have been possible to catch him so 345 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 4: quickly if not for Lois Gibson. 346 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 2: She is a hero. That's gotta be nice for people 347 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 2: to say, Oh, I. 348 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: Love and then Tony, why didn't you tell me all 349 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: that that's wonderful. There's over one thousand stories. It's beautiful. 350 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: It's beautiful. That's why I lived for That's why I 351 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 1: put up with the grief. And I don't go insane 352 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: with rage and grief because I have to look into 353 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: this horrible stuff. But I get a chance to get 354 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: the bad guy. I love that. I love that, Tony. 355 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 4: Well, you know the presence of forensic files and Dateline 356 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 4: and all these television shows and catching the bad guy. 357 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 4: To get to do that in that way, I would 358 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 4: have to think it's so rewarding. 359 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I got no everybody's strength. I'm weak, I'm 360 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: over emotional. You can tell, but I use those emotions 361 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: in my art and to catch somebody. It's so beautiful. 362 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: It's a beautiful symbiosis of you feel so sorry for 363 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: the person that's been nearly killed, and that emotion makes 364 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: you draw faster and better. Wow, I mean it enhances. 365 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: And then if it's a baby kidnapping. There was a 366 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: ten hour old baby kidnap and I got with the 367 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: mother and that being looked like a photographed and I 368 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: couldn't go to sleep, I said, I can't. After I 369 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: got home from the hospital, I said, I can't go 370 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: to sleep with that baby out there ten hours. Oh, 371 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: and they came on and Dave Ward was going they 372 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: got the baby back. I saw them with the baby 373 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: and the girlfriend the kidnapper called up and they got 374 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: her back instantly. So, oh no, there's no fulfillment for 375 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: an artist that compares to this. 376 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 2: I can't imagine. 377 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 4: I mean, I can't imagine how rewarding that, how many people, 378 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 4: how few people get this opportunity in the course of 379 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 4: their life. I can't also imagine the trauma that you endure, 380 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 4: because we know that just like being a medic or 381 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 4: in Iraq or Afghanistan, or just like serving in Iraq 382 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 4: or Afghanistan or Vietnam. You deal with that trauma as well. 383 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 4: I'm looking at a photo that's on your website, and 384 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 4: there you make reference to age progression. So when we've 385 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 4: got somebody that we maybe we even have a photo 386 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 4: of and we have to you have to do age progression, 387 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 4: how do you process what you're going to do there? 388 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: Oh that is so easy, and I covered in the book. 389 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: I mean I've done those since I was like a 390 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: little girl. They'd show Pat Sajack as a baby, and 391 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: I go, oh, that's Pat Sajack. I mean, I do 392 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: it in my mind. So that's I'm the best at that. 393 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: I had one in two year old baby pictures and 394 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: they've been separated from the sister for thirty years. She'd 395 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: been looking for sixteen and I got her on Unsolved 396 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: Mysteries and they got her back that day and they 397 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: looked just like them. No, no, no, age progression is easy. 398 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: I love it. If you do my work, if you 399 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: do skulling constructions, and I have it in my book. 400 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: I have how to do age progression, and it's real 401 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: simple if you're an artist. So I can look at 402 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: babies and I can tell who the mom and dad is, 403 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: and also I can tell how they'll look at like 404 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: as an adult. And I start doing that, and then 405 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: I had grand babies. I want to tell you my 406 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: grand babies are going to be so good looking when 407 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: they're older. 408 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 4: And I'm betting there's going to be lots and lots 409 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 4: of drawings of them as they get older and grow 410 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 4: into those photos. 411 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: Oh, I already painted the one to the baby before 412 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: she got hair. No, no, I'm obsessive portraits of my 413 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: of my grandbabies for sure. 414 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: I think it is absolutely fantastic. It's incredible. 415 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 4: I think of all the victims who survived and they're 416 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 4: family members and those who did not become victims of 417 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 4: people who were put away because of your work. 418 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 2: It really is incredible. 419 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 4: Lois a life well lived and incredible public service. 420 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 2: Thank you for being our guest, my dear. Our website 421 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 2: is Lois. 422 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 4: Gibson dot com Lois Gibson dot com and I will 423 00:23:58,760 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 4: give you a minute to close. 424 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Michael Berry. There's no artists doing this. 425 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: I want to start as many careers. 426 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 2: It just happens. Good, go ahead, you're good. 427 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: A bet at the bureaucracy where you're at to try 428 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: to get you used. Okay, be a forensic artist. 429 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 4: It strikes me as one of those things that as 430 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 4: big and bloated as major urban police departments are, or 431 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 4: if nothing else, the DPS doing it and sending it 432 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 4: in when they're needed. 433 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 2: The sad part is that there are this many crimes 434 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 2: for which we need for anic. Now, let's take a 435 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 2: tour around this great nation. 436 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 4: Shall we at some of the crazy, cool, inspiring, wacky 437 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 4: weird stuff happening in places around the great land upon 438 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 4: which we the plant our flag. 439 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 2: How about a crane jacking Louisiana. 440 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 4: Man arrested for hijacking a crane off Ien near Venton, Louisiana. 441 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 4: This is very close to where I grew up, causing 442 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 4: several crashes. He's hijacking cranes, big old cranes. 443 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 2: WAFB TV in Baton Rouge with the. 444 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 5: Story A man is in jail tonight, accused of hijacking 445 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 5: a crane and causing several crashes on I ten. Louisiana 446 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 5: State Police say this happened to near Venton. They say 447 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 5: thirty seven year old Matthew Vincent drove his truck off 448 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 5: a highway through a field and then got stuck. They 449 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 5: say that's where he crossed the interstate, jumped into that 450 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 5: parked crane in a work zone, and then manipulated the 451 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 5: crane boom, causing its cables to hang over the road, 452 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 5: hitting one car and then causing several crashes. Vincent faces 453 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 5: a long list of charges tonight, including burglary and hit 454 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 5: and run. 455 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 4: That's a story. Now we move to Seattle for a 456 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 4: different kind of jacking. They have installed public masturbation deterrent 457 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 4: infrastructure in their public parks due to rampant public masturbation 458 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 4: by the homeless. Oh yeah, that's actually happening. The story 459 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 4: from King five in Seattle. 460 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 2: Denny Blaine Park is in the spotlight again. 461 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 3: It's a beautiful park, a beautiful area. It should literally 462 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 3: be for everybody to enjoy, and right now it's not. 463 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 6: Lee Keller is a spokesperson for the group Denny Blaine 464 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 6: Park for All. 465 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 3: The members of this group are frustrated, concerned, and now 466 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 3: full on scared. 467 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 6: Neighbors who are suing the City of Seattle overclaims that 468 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 6: the behavior at the nudist Beach has gotten out of hand. 469 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 3: Multiple sex acts, masturbation, men pulling their parts, out asking 470 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 3: women if they want to touch this. 471 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 6: Nudity itself is not illegal in Seattle, but in decent 472 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 6: exposure is. The group shared several videos they're too graphic 473 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 6: to show, but King five has reviewed them and they 474 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 6: do appear to back up some of those claims. 475 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 7: As a community, we kind of come together to help 476 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 7: sort of eliminate those sort of things at the beach 477 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 7: by just you know, banding together and asking someone to 478 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 7: kind of bounce out. 479 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 2: So Blake Waddell is a regular beach goer. 480 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 7: This is everybody's park to come to, and lately we've 481 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 7: seen a lot of harassment and intimidation. 482 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 6: Well Dell admits there have been issues, but suggests the 483 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 6: criticism has gone too far, that they've been unfairly targeted. 484 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 7: When it comes to public urination, masturbation, sex, and public 485 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 7: explicit drug use. For people just acting crazy, we're actually 486 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 7: the ones that we'll try to step in and do something. 487 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 3: At a minimum, the line needs to be enforced. 488 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 2: You know. 489 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 4: Homelessness and the homeless policies are a great lab upon 490 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 4: which to study what's gone wrong in America as the 491 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 4: left bought into the idea that homeless people should be 492 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 4: treated like kings that they should be allowed to do 493 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 4: whatever they want, whenever they want, in the most valuable 494 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 4: real estate in a city, which was the downtown, that 495 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 4: they should not be bothered, not be arrested, not be moved, 496 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 4: and in fact, if they're addicts, that will deal with 497 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 4: their previously illegal drug activity by giving them more of it, 498 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 4: that we will not remove them from the public passageways sidewalks, 499 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 4: and instead will allow them to erect their own structures, 500 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 4: which they've done that when they are violent toward passers 501 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 4: by businessmen conducting business in the downtown areas of each city, 502 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 4: that we won't arrect, then we won't bother them. And 503 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 4: what we've seen now is an entire generation of this 504 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 4: and the decline and decay that has hit the downtown 505 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 4: areas across the country. 506 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 2: Now, this is a. 507 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 4: Decline in decay that we have bemoaned for eighty years 508 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 4: or for sixty years. But there was a big move 509 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 4: to bring people back into downtown. And so what happened 510 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 4: was white liberals started coming back into downtown in the eighties, 511 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 4: and so it was the coffee shops in the theater 512 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 4: district and you know, bicycles and living in lofts and 513 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 4: all these sorts of things, and it was working. It 514 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 4: happened in Houston and happened across the country. But then 515 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:49,959 Speaker 4: the in the two thousands, this spate of liberal Democrat 516 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 4: mayors took office across the country and the orders were given, Mayhem, madness, 517 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,959 Speaker 4: filth is going to run them up. 518 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 2: Needles every where, sex everywhere. 519 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 4: It's disgusting, it's gross, it's awful, and that's what we're 520 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 4: going to have. And Trump is cleaning that up in 521 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 4: DC as part of the federalization. That's one of the 522 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 4: things the people there, they're interviewing people on the street 523 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 4: and they're like, Hey, I gotta admit this is pretty nice. 524 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 4: I'm liking this a whole lot. Since we're taking a 525 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 4: tour around the country, we go to Rhode Island, where 526 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 4: a special assistant Attorney General threatens police after she and 527 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 4: a friend are being arrested for trespassing. She tries to 528 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 4: order them to turn off their body cameras, which they're 529 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 4: not allowed to do, while telling them repeatedly that she's 530 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,959 Speaker 4: an assistant, that she's an attorney general, and that after 531 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 4: arresting her, you're going to regret it, which is a threat. 532 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 4: It's also abuse of her office to engage in this 533 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 4: sort of behavior. This story from wpr I TV in 534 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 4: Rhode Island. 535 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 8: Special Assistant Attorney General Devin Flanagan repeatedly tells the police 536 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 8: officer she's an attorney general, and as she's being put 537 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 8: in the back of a police cruiser, she tells the officer, 538 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 8: you're going to regret this. 539 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 4: I just need. 540 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 2: Please so you're trust ussor we gotta leave now. 541 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: Now. 542 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 8: The Attorney General's Office says it is reviewing the Thursday 543 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 8: night incident. The office told twelve News Friday. 544 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 2: That a review would. 545 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 8: Take a few days. I checked in with him today 546 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 8: and they told me they have no updates as of 547 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 8: this time. A spokesperson says Flanagan has been with the 548 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 8: office for seven years and is currently working with the 549 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 8: Applett Unit of the Criminal Division. I reached out to 550 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 8: Flanagin for comment, but did not immediately hear back. 551 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 4: There is a pattern of white liberals in an urban 552 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 4: environment in their sense of entitlement. It is arrogant and 553 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 4: it is entitled, and in her mind the law does 554 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 4: not apply to her. Truth be told, she hates those cops. 555 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 4: Those cops have dirty hands. They are commoners. They go 556 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 4: home outside the city. They don't live in. They don't 557 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 4: pay ten dollars for a cup of coffee, they don't 558 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 4: travel to the places she does. They don't have the 559 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 4: fancy legal degrees. They are not respected and honored. They're 560 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 4: lowly cops. And that is how she views those pole 561 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 4: that is how white liberals view the working class, whether 562 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 4: that be blacks or whites or Hispanics. And it's nice 563 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 4: to see one like her, get her come up and say, 564 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,040 Speaker 4: it's nice to see her shame. And one of the 565 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 4: great things about Trump is he has emboldened police officers, 566 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 4: national Guard, business owners, everyday Americans to say, pierce the 567 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 4: veil of this sense of entitlement and the aura that 568 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 4: surrounds these supposedly grand pubas. 569 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 2: And their ivory towers. Pierce that veil. And that's what 570 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 2: you're seeing here. Oh I love this. 571 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 4: More of this, please more of this oncre Els has 572 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 4: left thebility, Thank you, and good night,